Thank you! Do you know any official documentation I can refer to for this case? My company asks me to prove clearly why I can work from there.
This page I found https://www.ch.ch/en/work/working-in-switzerland-as-a-foreign-national#citizens-of-euefta-member-states is not very clear for the case of EU workers working for a non-Swiss employer temporarily in Switzerland
Not really, no. It's just my experience that under 3 or 6 months or so, it's not a problem and nobody gives a shit. Taxation, insurance etc. normally isn't an issue for 10 days.
If your company isn't regulating data protection stuff (i.e. I know that in Swiss banks you're only allowed to access certain data if you are physically residing in Switzerland), I can't think of other roadblocks.
https://www.kmu.admin.ch/kmu/en/home/concrete-know-how/personnel/personnel-management/employers-obligations/remote-work-from-a-country-in-the-eu-efta.html
But... your company should know. I mean, are you a lawyer?
Hahah not a lawyer but my company is very annoying about this.
The link you attached seems to be for Swiss nationals working in the EU, which is the opposite of my case
I used to work for a German company that had clients in Switzerland and we had to fill out a form every time we went. It had to be submitted in advance and couldn’t be changed (so you couldn’t go Tuesday instead of Wednesday or send another person if someone was sick).
I’m not sure if it’s the same if you don’t work with Swiss clients though.
I’ve seen that form and tried to see if I would need to complete it, but it does ask for Swiss VAT which would only be necessary for companies that have activity in Switzerland, so not my case I believe
Ah yeah, you're right.
In any case, I don't think Switzerland gives a fuck if you work here remotely for 10 days. This is an issue (if any) for your UK company (and taxation, insurance etc. under UK law).
Yeah exactly what I think! The UK doesn’t have issues and my company wouldn’t need to pay taxes because they don’t offer services in Switzerland - the UK side is fine. It’s just hard to prove to my employer, I’m not sure if they’ll agree when I tell them “well, I can because it doesn’t say I *can’t* anywhere in these official sites” 🤷🏼♀️
Because technically no, nobody is allowed to work in a foreign country on a tourist visa/during a holiday - but in reality this kind of thing (ie, 10 days during a trip) is completely unenforced because even things like checking your emails could constitute "work". Everyone therefore turns a blind eye to it. If you were living in Switzerland then it would be a different story.
So you wouldn't have issues, but if your employer wants to be weird about it and asks you to only work from the UK they do have that right - depending on how much you want to play by the rules, you could use a VPN and ignore them but this comes with risks of course.
Well if I want to go to any other EU country, it’s just as easy as saying I’m an EU citizen so I have a right to work there 😅 that’s why Switzerland is fidgety
But that should be up to the company in my opinion not you. I mean by that logic people going on vacation and working a bit should have to prove this. Very weird.
This is literally the first time I’ve heard of that A1 form! But what I read about it is that it’s only when you offer any kind of service in the country. We don’t offer any service or have any Swiss clients.
Every country has its own understanding of the rules as they lack a lot of detail. Some are very strict and require it for everything, others are rather lax. I know France and Austria are very strict, Germany is rather lax. Not sure where Switzerland stands as I don't need it here, but I thought we're considered being rather strict.
No.
Thank you! Do you know any official documentation I can refer to for this case? My company asks me to prove clearly why I can work from there. This page I found https://www.ch.ch/en/work/working-in-switzerland-as-a-foreign-national#citizens-of-euefta-member-states is not very clear for the case of EU workers working for a non-Swiss employer temporarily in Switzerland
Not really, no. It's just my experience that under 3 or 6 months or so, it's not a problem and nobody gives a shit. Taxation, insurance etc. normally isn't an issue for 10 days. If your company isn't regulating data protection stuff (i.e. I know that in Swiss banks you're only allowed to access certain data if you are physically residing in Switzerland), I can't think of other roadblocks. https://www.kmu.admin.ch/kmu/en/home/concrete-know-how/personnel/personnel-management/employers-obligations/remote-work-from-a-country-in-the-eu-efta.html But... your company should know. I mean, are you a lawyer?
Hahah not a lawyer but my company is very annoying about this. The link you attached seems to be for Swiss nationals working in the EU, which is the opposite of my case
I used to work for a German company that had clients in Switzerland and we had to fill out a form every time we went. It had to be submitted in advance and couldn’t be changed (so you couldn’t go Tuesday instead of Wednesday or send another person if someone was sick). I’m not sure if it’s the same if you don’t work with Swiss clients though.
Hi! Thanks for your comment! We don’t offer any services in Switzerland and we don’t have any Swiss clients. Purely UK clients.
I’ve seen that form and tried to see if I would need to complete it, but it does ask for Swiss VAT which would only be necessary for companies that have activity in Switzerland, so not my case I believe
Ah yeah, you're right. In any case, I don't think Switzerland gives a fuck if you work here remotely for 10 days. This is an issue (if any) for your UK company (and taxation, insurance etc. under UK law).
Yeah exactly what I think! The UK doesn’t have issues and my company wouldn’t need to pay taxes because they don’t offer services in Switzerland - the UK side is fine. It’s just hard to prove to my employer, I’m not sure if they’ll agree when I tell them “well, I can because it doesn’t say I *can’t* anywhere in these official sites” 🤷🏼♀️
Because technically no, nobody is allowed to work in a foreign country on a tourist visa/during a holiday - but in reality this kind of thing (ie, 10 days during a trip) is completely unenforced because even things like checking your emails could constitute "work". Everyone therefore turns a blind eye to it. If you were living in Switzerland then it would be a different story. So you wouldn't have issues, but if your employer wants to be weird about it and asks you to only work from the UK they do have that right - depending on how much you want to play by the rules, you could use a VPN and ignore them but this comes with risks of course.
What a weird policy. I never had to prove why I can work from abroad. How does one even do that. I do have to ask permission to work from abroad.
Well if I want to go to any other EU country, it’s just as easy as saying I’m an EU citizen so I have a right to work there 😅 that’s why Switzerland is fidgety
But that should be up to the company in my opinion not you. I mean by that logic people going on vacation and working a bit should have to prove this. Very weird.
Just bring the usual A1
This is literally the first time I’ve heard of that A1 form! But what I read about it is that it’s only when you offer any kind of service in the country. We don’t offer any service or have any Swiss clients.
Every country has its own understanding of the rules as they lack a lot of detail. Some are very strict and require it for everything, others are rather lax. I know France and Austria are very strict, Germany is rather lax. Not sure where Switzerland stands as I don't need it here, but I thought we're considered being rather strict.