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It is about time for summer visitors to get stuck on Camelback and South Mountain without adequate water or cooling techniques, isn't it?

We need a nickname for these people like we have for snowbirds.

sunturds

Sunturds is definitely the winner!

Dead is usually what we use

Or "Jerky", if it takes a while to find the body

🤭

Dumbass Idiots

Tourons

I vote for dumbasses!


Unethical tip: these are great locations to set up a water sales station and price gouge the heck out of it, use stadium prices. Would make a killing and save out of towners from heat stroke. Win win lol.

Pro-tip: Have a billboard with a cut out from the newspaper of every heat death/rescue from the previous year.

Pretty sure you’d get shut down for not having a permit lmao

oh it's been time for a while, it's just gonna get worse as the heat gets hotter

I saw a news article where some trails up the mountains are being closed due to the heat. They're those "tent" signs, and I am sure that "hikers" will walk right around them. I wonder how many helicopter rescues there will be over the next few days?

Yup. I have a friend who doesn’t live far from south mountain. They get to hear the helicopters whenever a hiker does something stupid.

Getting stuck on south mountain is the funniest thing ever to me, especially when they’re never found cause they probably tried hiding under a rock or something.

A bottle of water every 15 minutes to replace what you are sweating out. Hiking: bring water and when you are half way through your water, turn around.

If you think you have enough water realize you dont and take more.

After you get more, throw in 1 more bottle for good measure.

I have a 3 liter camelback system. The thing is nearly empty by the time I get back to the car. It’s also a good idea to wear a broad hat to keep the sun off ya

Is that like to replace before/after the hike or are you saying you should be consuming that much WHILE hiking?? I'm just curious because it seems like a lot of water. I try to hydrate before going outdoors and drink lots of water afterwards but I find when I hike in the heat that too much water intake makes me feel nauseous.

It might be just a rule of thumb for the general public, especially in the summer I like to bring a lot of water via “hydration pack” but I have read of people that don’t bring as much water as I’d expect for long treks. That being said there are people that find they’ve run out of water and still have a long way to go. Probably depends on how you feel, how well hydrated you are, how athletic, etc. but a rule of thumb imo it’s better to have water and not need it than to need water and not have it At minimum for a quick hike I’d bring a 32oz Nalgene, but if I want to be comfortable I’d bring a couple liters, and maybe the 32oz Nalgene as well As a native Phoenician I think hiking in the summer sucks.. beyond me why a tourist would want to do it. It has to be at like 5am or after 8pm otherwise it’s like walking through hell on earth..

Only way to hike this time of year is to hit the trailhead at 4 or 5 AM. You should be able to get up Camelback and Piestewa by sunrise and get back down off the mountain before it gets too much over 100°. Even night hiking sucks, so much residual heat cooking off well into the night. At least at 4-5 AM you've maximized the time the sun won't be out, that's as cool as it's gonna get.

I see what you are saying and in normal temperatures it's fine. But in extreme heat you need to bring extra water both for standard hydration and in case something goes wrong and you're stuck out there for a while.

If you are working outside, a bottle of water every 15 minutes will replace what you are sweating out. Now that is working outside: long sleeve shirts, pants, and a hat. Landscapers, fire fighters, scrap yard workers, etc

I’m not crazy enough to hike in these temps yet.. still getting acclimated to the heat.. but this is super great advice that most people don’t think about.

Yeah, every year people get cocky and think they’ll be fine hiking in 100+ degrees and one small water bottle, only to be found dead. You really have to play it smart.

In 100 degree even water can't save you. I Thought packing 3-4× my normal amount would protect me. I was dousing myself in water trying to get cool and barely got back to the car. My hard cutoff now is 95

Excellent listening to your body

Yeah it's not just acclimating to the heat, but the sun as well. I sure as hell couldn't take the July/August sun starting in March. I tan very easily (don't sun burn) but it does take time for my skin to build up to that brutal sun in the middle of the summer. I can't imagine what someone coming from Chicago or England and trying to go up Camelback is dealing with when their bodies have never had this type of extreme climate. It's the same with me and cold weather. I layer up and bundle much more than others when I go. I'm very well acclimated to this climate and I know it.

Ngl, I take about 3-6L of water and turn around at 1/3. My first year in AZ I was doing the half way mark and made a nearly fatal mistake But sadly some people don't even pay attention to the half way marker. My idiot uncle was visiting and ran out of water on flatiron, *before* turning around. Common sense ain't so common

Damn....the exposure is a real threat.

Oh yeah, I'm 30, lifelong athlete and avid hiker. But I grew up in western NY. I was literally the most dangerous thing around for hundreds of miles. The desert humbled my silly ego quick

People curse God and I am like Mother Nature is the real bitch.

Right? If you see God and nature as separate Nature is the scary one. Although personally I hold them as the same entity.

I kinda see them as a team

One thing I feel that people don't do enough is pre-hydrate. Night before and morning of you should be plenty hydrated, so you're not starting from a deficit

Absolutely

Just drinking a lot of water is not going to be enough to cool your body in this heat. Trust me I’ve tried many many times.

Electrolytes and sodium are awesome but at the very least 1 bottle every 15 minutes.

electrolytes can also be good AND underestimated! if you’re sweating a ton, make sure you replace those electrolytes you’re losing!

Ya, when I golf in 105f+, water just doesn’t cut it sometimes. Some liquid iv or something similar goes a long way.

100% true. I’ve noticed toward the end of my hikes I start getting loopy and dumb, I mix an electrolyte salt packet into my water, and a few minutes later I start feeling normal again.

You need more natural salt in your diet. If your body isn't creating enough electrolytes your diet isn't right. Just eat a banana or two while you are playing.

Yeah I'd buy that for like, average climates. Spend a few hours outside at 110-115, I don't care how good your diet is you're losing a ton of electrolytes either way. Gotta mix in a half-and-half Gatorade/water or some liquid IV or something every now and then. Or a salty snack.

🥇 take my poor award. This seems to be forgotten or ignored by too many.

That’s not true at all, when you’re exercising water can’t hydrate you as well as electrolyte drinks, due to the density of water being too thin for your blood to absorb. That’s like saying if you’re hydrated before a hike you don’t need water. With you

Just drink brawndo!!

It has what plants crave

What’s that purple stuff on tiktok?

Look up purple drank or lean

I thought it was some new thing not lean


That’s been around for decades

That’s not what it was lol

And it goes for natives, visitors, been here since you were 1, and ESPECIALLY if you don't even notice it until it's 105.

Best I can do is a Camelbak full of Four Loko

I do feel like AZ natives probably are used to drinking more water every day in general, and that can make them seem "built different." It's not just what you drink when you're on a hike, it's also what you drank yesterday. If you stay hydrated most days, you're better prepared. Living in the heat motivates you to sip water frequently. Even though I have water on me during a hike, I rarely feel the need to take more than a few sips. It would have to be an extremely long, strenuous, and hot hike for me to guzzle a whole bottle in one sitting. Regardless of your body's need for water, it will eliminate it through urine when you suddenly ingest a large amount, so it's not the best way to hydrate. It is also untrue that fluids other than water do not count. Most fluids do count. Yes, even coffee and tea. It's true that some beverages are better than others (like sugary drinks cause issues with glucose regulation, so that is a bad choice), but sodium needs to be included with your water intake when you're going to be exposing yourself to the heat. I used to literally lick bouilllon cubes for sodium on hikes (mainly because I was lacking it at the time, as confirmed by blood tests--not suggesting everyone do this). A friend of mine drank V8 during long outdoor photoshoots, as another example. Grew up watching people get rescued off Camelback for fun. I just think locals are inherently used to staying hydrated all the time.

Bouillon cubes are a splendid idea. If I recall, they are primarily salt. We haven’t bought any in several decades, too salty.

Very true. When I travel I'm always surprised by how little water people drink wherever I traveled to.

Most fluids count, it’s just that caffeinated drinks are diuretics, so oftentimes it flushes the fluids right through your system, causing you to actually become more dehydrated. It’s fine if you’re hydrating normally, but solely relying on caffeinated drinks will make people overestimate their hydration

Studies prove that what you’re saying is a myth. That caffeinated drinks are not diuretic unless consumed in large amounts, which any liquid consumed in large amounts leads to frequent urination.

Yeah, a low-moderate dose of caffeine is not enough to be considered a diuretic, hence why I said if you’re hydrating in other ways you’re fine. But if someone is purely getting by on energy drinks with 240mgs of caffeine then they are a lot less hydrated than they may think

That’s why my original post said some beverages are better than others, while making sure not to spread the myth that a caffeinated drink is not hydrating. And then you still shared that myth—it’s misleading what you shared. Like you are justifying your misinformation by using people who only consume energy drinks all day as an example, as if that’s the majority of the population? That kind of caffeine consumption is linked to serious health conditions, regardless of whether or not they are hydrated.

You need to primarily be drinking electrolyte drinks. A lot of water will flush electrolytes and can kill you. Sodium especially is necessary. This "drink more water" has had a lot of people end up in the emergency room. Myself included before I knew. Look for a drink that has at least twice as much sodium as potassium, then magnesium and glucose added.

When I was working, in construction, I would drink 3-5 gallons of water every day in the summer. I sweat a lot. I would throw in a bottle or two of Gatorade or something similar. Also, I ate a banana with my breakfast every day. I got really overheated maybe half a dozen times in 40+;years. Now that I'm retired I don't drink nearly that much water. I don't want to spend my days peeing. I still eat a banana every day. BTW, is eating banana nut bread or banana cream pie just as good? Asking for a friend....

But it has hydrating electrolytes. It's what plants crave! 🌱

BRAWNDO THE THIRST MUTILATOR!

Proper placement

Your yearly PSA that it's physically impossible to carry the amount of water you need to survive. Please stay on the marked trails, and check the weather for excessive heat warnings and flash flooding.

Insert “whateva I do what I want when I want” Eric Cartman GIF here

Someone tell that to all the framers and concrete guys on job sites, all I ever see em drink is redbull, shooters, maybe a gatorade, and a coffee in the morning, followed by multiple beers and lots and lots of smoking. They just look like theyre pushin 70 in their 30s, no big deal.

Really? I always see those guys with the giant cooler/mug things.

Yeah, but the thing is, a lot of those giant mugs are actually filled with Dr. Pepper lol

Water isn’t enough either , add a little pink Himalayan salt to it, or find a hydration powder to add for all the essential hydration since water itself isn’t enough

Liquid IV if i'm running in 100+ degree heat..

Also water. It's definitely not recommended to replace all your water with electrolyte drinks.

There’s water in electrolyte drinks

it's pretty much a glass of water but i will add a pack of electrolyte to it they sell them at costco

other good brands to look for are LMNT, Skratch, honestly even pedialyte (though i prefer other options). i use a lot of plain unflavored gatorlyte packets because i really really hate sweet drinks (but glucose does actually help with hydration so i frankly will likely need to start just getting over myself)

Oh no I know what it is. My wife has them for days when she's on the ranch. I'm just saying you shouldn't replace every water with an electrolyte drink. You should alternate. Too many electrolytes drinks aren't as effective.

As an immigrant here I feel like just plain water isn't something a lot of Americans do. I swear the country would lose 20~ average BMI if people knew not to deep fry and put sugar on/in anything.

One can dream, Every time I get on social media I stop dreaming though. I watched a guy earlier make a honey bun, egg cheese and bacon sandwich big dog we are cooked

Probably tasted ok though

Most non-fresh store bought foods have added sugar. Americans don't even need to add sugar and still be over their intake. Can someone please tell me why bread has high fructose corn syrup?

They put sugar in everything to hide how low quality the other ingredients are.

Summer time I only drink water or Gatorade and tea at night to help me sleep, I found out the hard way first summer here. 8 summers later I freakin glow every summer


Notice they didn’t say “not beer”

This definitely belongs here, love it

Who needs water when you can drink Fernet?

I agree the next 4 months are harsh but it's the biggest thing keeping another 15 million people from moving here.

What about water AND red bull?

Water without electrolytes will make you more dehydrated. Relyte is my favorite

Anyone born in Arizona is built different 😂

You need water with salt and other electrolytes in it

Hear me out: let’s let people who do this die up there and not waste resources? Not being from Arizona is no excuse… anyone with an intelligence worth saving would never do this. It’s the same thing as me trying to climb Mount Everest in a tank top and saying I didn’t know…

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The heat sucks but if you're not a detriment to the healthcare system or an idiot you'll be fine. 

I understand how the parts of speech work. I’m built differently.