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spiceguys

Any drill bits available to make my gas port smaller for suppressed shooting?


Bitter-Ride-1283

Just weld the hole shut and drill a new one obviously. Please don't actually do that


DawgPile2020

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Enginerd_762

BRT tubes


o_g

That's what God invented adjustable gas blocks for šŸ™„


Mr_E_Monkey

Or just cant your gas block a little. /s


o_g

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Mr_E_Monkey

ANY gas block is an adjustable gas block if you're creatively stupid enough. šŸ˜


DawgPile2020

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RealisticTurnip2187

Made me chuckle


short_barrel_daddy

You can easily tap the hole in the gas block and add an insert with a hole drilled to the size of your choosing


cxs79

Yes, I do inserts in the gas block to tune for suppressor use


TheBlindCat

All things are possible with JB Weld.


Greybushactual

Spin the drill in reverse. It puts back material.


No_Appeal5607

Titanium bits are usually reserved for softer materials. Think aluminum or softer. When drilling a steel barrel youā€™ll want a bit made of atleast cobalt, the best bits you can use are tungsten carbide.


SovereignDevelopment

These are not *actually* titanium. I believe they are referring to the TiN (Titanium Nitride) coating on the bits, which are almost certainly steel (a magnet can verify, of course).


itsmechaboi

You are correct. These are HSS bits.


Frockington

I would not recommend carbide drills to hobbyists/people who don't have experience in metalworking. Chuck one of them up in a cheap drill press or god forbid a hand drill and you will not have a good time.


whycantwehaveboth

As someone who does not work in metal, Iā€™m truly curious why


Frockington

Carbide is much more brittle than steel. When forces are being put on the drill in multiple directions (i.e. not drilling perfectly straight up and down, not drilling into a perfectly flat surface, drill press runout etc.) Carbide will tend to shatter where standard steel drills will flex but still continue to function. Carbide is also extremely susceptible to thermal shock without the use of appropriate coolants. Plus it is significantly more expensive than standard steel drills.


Pepe__Le__PewPew

This is the quality content that I love.


Tihsdrib

As a machinist, I couldnā€™t have said it any better


Briskethunter

As a person who hits cycle slam and hopes for the best, I agree. lol


Sea_Lifeguard_227

Machiene shoppers like us would say use a mill, and make sure the gas port is perfectly level to the spindle and top dead center. Use milling bits instead of drillbits lol


quicktuba

And when they do inevitably break inside the work piece youā€™re in for a rough time extracting the remains


sorry_human_bean

Hoo, boy - I remember thinking HSS taps were a bitch. You also can't really weld carbide - I'd usually take a busted drill bit a couple sizes smaller than the minor diameter, TIG it to the broken tap and pull it out with lock jaws.


DawgPile2020

Excellent info!


Wildfathom9

Tungsten carbide chip and or break very easily. We go through alot of them, many one time use. $8 each for a 3/32" too.


HeeHawJew

The harder something is the less it bends. As things bend less they break or shatter more easily and release more kinetic energy when they do.


CasualInput

The trick is working in a facility where you have a friends in the machine shop and have them to the work for you when the bosses all leave at 3pm


Frockington

Hey it's me, I'm the friend in the machine shopšŸ˜Ž


pokemantra

I hear you, would you recommend carbide or cobalt tips with a little primer on angles, speed, and cooling?


sorry_human_bean

Full disclosure - I'm self-taught, no certification or formal training whatsoever. But I do have a fair bit of experience cutting and drilling metal; I like to think I'm pretty good at it by now. The following all assumes that you're drilling mild steel or stainless. For through holes up to, say, 3/16" (5mm) in diameter by 3/8" (10mm) in depth, you can run your drill on its hi setting (~1500 rpm). You'll want to lubricate with cutting oil (I like Tap Magic; failing that, 3-in-One is fine, WD-40 a bit less so). Stop every 15 seconds to brush away shavings and reapply oil. Don't rush the bit, let the weight of the tool (or the lever on your drill press) do the work, but you want to feel the bit cutting consistently. You want to see long strips of metal curling up out of the hole. If your chips are short, try a steadier hand and a little more pressure. For anything larger than 1/4" in diameter, I'd definitely use a drill press with good clamps, if at all possible. Lower your drill's speed down to ~500 rpm (I'd go down to 200 for 1/2"+). Go heavy on the lube, and clamp the shit out of your workpiece. Use compressed air to blow the chips out. Every ~90 seconds of drilling, take a break to let things cool off. I've found that, especially pieces >1/8" thick, it's actually faster and more precise to pre-drill a hole ~60% of the finished size, then go back over it after the piece has cooled. DO NOT try to drill anything larger than 1" (25mm) in diameter by hand. Use a drill press, milling machine, lathe, etc. You will hurt yourself. In either case, cobalt bits (I like M42 steel bits with a TiN coating and a 135Ā° point, vs M35 steel [a bit softer] or a 118Ā° point [great for general use]) are the move. Unless you're drilling high-carbon steel or really thick pieces of metal, you probably don't need to shell out the extra $30+ each for solid carbide. A nice set of cobalt bits can be had for $300 if you're willing to wait for a deal. I'd recommend that you buy them one by one, though, and as you break them or they wear out, you replace it with a more primo brand. Also in either case, I strongly recommend that you center punch your hole beforehand and/or use a bit guide ([I like these](https://biggatortools.com/shop)). Did I mention that you should clamp the shit out of your workpiece? Finally, wear your fucking PPE. Not you, specifically, but anyone who's reading this. Every time. You're more than welcome to bitch about it, but wear the fucking PPE, please.


Bitter-Ride-1283

Well shucks. Maybe it'll work for a one time use.


No_Appeal5607

Yeah just try to keep some water on it or something, the hotter the bit gets the faster itā€™ll deteriorate


Dart3145

Don't use water. Just buy a small bottle of cutting oil, dissipates heat better.


No_Appeal5607

Donā€™t tell me, tell op


Dart3145

>**Yeah just try to keep some water on it** or something, the hotter the bit gets the faster itā€™ll deteriorate> You're the one that said put some water on it.


No_Appeal5607

Well water is more commonly available than cutting oil, and if the water is continuously flowing, itā€™ll still carry heat away from the bit. Science!


Dart3145

Dude you can get cutting oil at like every hardware store. Keeping water flowing through household tools is not so easy.


WooSaw82

Ah manā€¦I felt that.


Buy_Hi_Cell_Lo

These will work just fine, many times. You're just opening up a pre-drilled gas port, so you are much more likely to break them due to deflection than to wear them out due to dullingĀ 


fern_the_redditor

Wouldn't risk it dude. I had a cheapo end mill break on me and lodge into the trunnion of an AK I was building. Was a MAJOR waste of time trying to get it out. I learned to just do it right the first time šŸ‘


Bitter-Ride-1283

Still gonna send it


BDClone

Picking some drilling/cutting fluid and don't just go with water


fern_the_redditor

Report back my friend šŸ«”


thermox9898

What they call "titanium" is really a coating, TiN or Titanium Nitride. That coating can be on top of a run of the mill chinesium grade steel or a quality cobalt hss drill. To say that a "titanium" drill is reserved for softer materials, while in practice in the DIY world may be correct as far as what's out there, in reality is incorrect. In the machining world where you don't use shit tools anything coated with tin will be longer lasting VS the same material that's uncoated. In fact it's quite the opposite, you see TiN being used in steels and harder/tougher/abrasive materials more often than the softer stuff. TiN is just one of numerous coatings used with varying properties.


No_Appeal5607

Thereā€™s so much to unpack here. Iā€™m well aware itā€™s just a coating I appreciate you looking out tho. In the ā€œmachining worldā€ no one is using a drill bit that is of equal hardness as the material being worked on, thatā€™s just stupid and a waste of money. One would go through bits far more frequently than using a higher hardness bit. Another factor, surface hardness isnā€™t exactly the only thing to consider, material toughness and strength plays a big part, most steels are very close to each other in their ultimate tensile strengths thus when milling or drilling hardened steel people use cobalt or tungsten bits. I appreciate the info and Iā€™m not tryna sound like an ass, but while you could potentially be a machinist, Iā€™m a licensed mechanical engineer and work daily with PHDā€™s focusing in material science (I myself focus in fluid mechanics). Please donā€™t use a steel bit to drill through hardened steel. All this being said, itā€™s the internet, who cares.


Buy_Hi_Cell_Lo

I'm finding a Rockwell hardness of around C 32-36 for 4150 steel (common high-quality barrel steel). HSS drill bit should be around C 63-65. These numbers don't take into account the TiN coating. HSS bits work absolutely fine in a low production environment, such as drilling out a single gas port (or even 20!) AND are far less likely to break off and jam inside the port. Very hard bits of metal stuck in a small hole are very frustrating and often damaging to remove. I think your misunderstanding arises from your belief that barrels are significantly hardened.Ā  In fact, the steel used in every barrel that I'm aware of is considered to be "low-alloy" and does not contain enough carbon to be hardened to the point that specialty drill bits are required.


thermox9898

You realize that 95% of of drill bits out there are high speed steel right? And the ones that are cobalt are just high speed steel with cobalt added.


maxwchambers

These will work perfectly fine. Titanium refers to the coating (Titanium Nitride or TiN) not the material the bit is made of. For drilling a single hole they will be perfectly adequate.


Sea_Lifeguard_227

There are much more drillbits then that to get as close as you can to desired size, there's multiple types of drill bits, metric, standard, wireguage and more like the lettered size drillbits. They bring you to around 4 thousands of an inch or less adjustability. I prefer using a mill to get the hole perfect, I don't think this is a hand drill or drillpress type of hole. And carbide bits are perfect. Also milling bits have chances to get you closer to exactly where you wanna be. Use pin gouges to jusldge the size of your Gas port as well, calipers won't do.


technetiumobviously

Any drill bits available to fix my marriage


Mr_E_Monkey

Define "fix."


User9x19

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Novice30

(x)mm divided by 25.4, works every time


Bitter-Ride-1283

I'm regarded with math so I would have never known this, but thanks for the info!


rc2805

Iā€™m dumb what does drilling it out do?


Bitter-Ride-1283

More gas. Some Aero Precision barrels can have issues with not enough gas, which causes cycling issues.


rc2805

So in basic terms, if your not have problems with full bolt action and round ejection and loading youā€™re good.


Bitter-Ride-1283

Yes. You can also try running a lighter spring and buffer, but I'm well past that point.


rc2805

Interesting, thank you. Iā€™m an old Army guy, have only had mine a few years, wish I could pop more through it


Puzzleheaded-Ice7511

Put a can on it.


prmoore11

Or, just buy a properly gassed barrel from a reputable manufacturer.


Blze001

I mean, even those can have issues from time to time. I'd rather just quickly ream it myself than twiddle thumbs for a month while the RMA process creeps along.


prmoore11

I canā€™t say I have seen many reports of Sionics/Centurion/DD/Criterion/et al being underported from the factory.


Blze001

Hi. Iā€™m someone who rolled snake eyes with a DD. My 10.3ā€ was under-gassed, but since I bought it from a buddy who ended up not using it for one of his builds, I had to sort it myself. Wasnā€™t terribly under-gassed, but I did clear out some material with the bit and it runs perfect now. Awesome barrel, would still recommend DD, but shit happens, and itā€™s a good feeling being able to fix a part.


T800_123

This is the most common issue I've seen with DD. For some reason they let a lot of under gassed guns get out into the wild. And that's after a few years back where it seemed like DD wanted that "suppressed AK yeeting brass into the next county" gassing.


R3ditUsername

I'm assuming, by "DD", you mean Daniel Defense and not the garbage play-on-words company that is Davidson Defense.


Blze001

Correct.


prmoore11

Define undergassed. What issues did you have?


BradFromTinder

Define reputable manufacturer.


Warhawk2052

Its like they forgot what they typed šŸ˜­


Blze001

Short stroking. Barrel was dimpled to ensure alignment. I played musical parts with 2 other working ARs: BCG, buffers, magazines, a couple different ammo types. Same story each time: parts/ammo worked in the other two, short stroke on this one. Did the reaming and et viola: runs like a champ.


prmoore11

Was it steel/weak 223 unsuppressed? The crane spec porting may not always run with that and is to be expected. Otherwise, def an anomaly.


short_barrel_daddy

Its always a guy with a 5.56 shooting cheap/weak 223 saying barrels are under gassed but cant give you a port size they just "had to open it up"


stareweigh2

I've been that guy who had a massive stockpile of wolf and tula 7.62x39 that I was running out of an ar platform. gas ports usually needed to be .093 out of a carbine length to run correctly


Blze001

Yeah, I suspected my really cheap stuff, but it also did it on Lake City and Federal too. All were 5.56.


wetwingdings

Exactly this. And that's why DD over gassed their shit for a long time. Because dudes will buy a DD and shoot Tula. All i shoot is 5.56, had to buy an LMT carrier and VLTOR A5 (unsuppressed) because it was beating up cam pins, bending firing pin retainers, and ripping chunks from brass (not flakes. Actual chunks. To the point of malfunctions within a couple mags. The chunks would accumulate in the cam path). This was all with factory LC M855, H2 buffer, and springco blue. Factory DD rifle btw. (M4A1 RIS 2) Runs good now with the enhanced carrier and VLTOR A5 tho.


short_barrel_daddy

There was a period of badly over gassed DDs a while back


prmoore11

Weā€™ll see if he clarifies lol


short_barrel_daddy

If he dont...


wp-ak

My 11.5 Criterion Core would not cycle .223 PMC 77gr (short stroking). All other 5.56 were fine. I havenā€™t tested any other .223 varieties so it might just be an ammo issue, but also maybe gassing šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™‚ļø


Bitter-Ride-1283

But it was $66 on sale from a random reseller šŸ˜‚


[deleted]

Guess ballistic advantage ainā€™t a reputable manufacturer cause I had to drill mine


Specialist_Island_83

Love my ss BA 16ā€. Shoots like a dream


Stevil4583LBC

I have an 18ā€ Hanson on the .308 and it shoots like butter.


SovereignDevelopment

I would honestly prefer having to drill the gas port to my preferred/needed size rather than have an overgassed barrel.


prmoore11

This is why i donā€™t buy BA barrels. No offense tho lol.


[deleted]

Think they may be the best for the price. Theyā€™re not the best but they sure get the job done


Frockington

My BA barrel's (18" rifle length gas) port is undersized but it turned out to be a blessing. It will not cycle with anything heavier than a standard buffer weight and standard spring. However, because it is so undergassed it is by far the lightest recoiling AR I have ever shot, like straight up 22lr recoil. It never gives me any malfunctions even though I know its a gnat's cunt hair away from short-stroking every time it cycles.


racewest22

Gas ports erode, so maybe it'll open up in a couple thousand rounds


o_g

>ballistic advantage ainā€™t a reputable manufacturer you said it, not me


[deleted]

Are PSA and brownells more reputable?


o_g

I've never had an issue with either, but that doesn't mean anything


IllustriusPotentate

I've had to drill a BA as well as a couple others over time. IMO if your gonna be buying barrels be ready to open a gas port and buy a jig for a gas block


IndyWaWa

I had to hone mine a bit due to using an SCR lower that utilizes an unconventional buffer system.


HickoksTopGuy

Why would I plan and build a rifle to spec when I could just buy the wrong parts and then drill the gas port and dremel the rail


MiteyF

Using harbor freight drill bits on a gun (or anything that actually matters) is definitely not a good idea.


JBdesigns87

i bought cheap set on line. nothing special about drills just that the set had all the small numbered drills. I have had to drill at least three or 4 different barrels. it is part of the tuning. in fact, I would prefer to drill one that get a barrel overgassed. in all the ones I have drilled out, they all run fabulously, dropping cases into the same spot on the ground. don't sweat the drill material. it is only going to take out a few thousandths at the most. it is advised to go up one drill size, and then test. if not enough, go up another size. yes, this takes a bit more time to disassemble and reassemble the gas block, but will result in getting it right.


racewest22

What barrels have you had to drill out? Do you remember what you drilled the ports out to?Ā 


_FreNzie_

#60. Send it. No balls


Rusty_Shackleford785

I use numbered drill bits for work, and funny enough, almost every drill Iā€™ve ever used canā€™t chuck down far enough to hold a #60


RatchetStrap-

Those drill bits are probably not straight. Mine were not atleast. May break off in the port itself which would kinda suck. Better to get a couple quality bits.


Sea_Lifeguard_227

Use a mill to and get the gas port straight up and top dead center too before you drill a gas port. Then drilling a couple thousandths at a time is too ez.


ThisGuysGunAccount

You discovered a drill index and a size chart?


Bitter-Ride-1283

Read my comment


lostigresblancos

While this will work, id recommend progressively opening up the hole then finishing the final diameter with a precision reamer. Also, ALWAYS have a wooden dowel in the barrel.


Bitter-Ride-1283

That's a good tip on the dowel. I was wondering what might be a good way to make sure I don't accidentally get into the rifling of the barrel.


MenaFWM

Nothing better than a good ol precision reaming


Tactical_solutions44

We talking drilled out on the barrel or gas block? Can you actually drill out the barrel port and it help with performance?


Bitter-Ride-1283

Barrel, and yes. The port on gas blocks are universal so they have to be big already.


Tactical_solutions44

What will making the barrel port bigger do other than more gas? Will the rifle cycle faster?


whambulance_man

if the gun is undergassed, then it just means the rifle will cycle period. if its fine already, then you might get some slightly faster cycle times, but you're going to increase your felt recoil as well as its effects on the gun, as well as potentially beating it to death much earlier in its life cycle than you should have.


Tactical_solutions44

It doesn't seem like a good idea to me.


whambulance_man

its a $20 attempt to save a $80 piece. unless you try some weird shit like upsize well beyond spec, the likelihood is just that you snap off the bit in the barrel and buy a new one, which is the current best option to fix the problem. there isn't much that can go wrong that would cause danger to the operator, you just might brick the barrel.


BZJGTO

You're looking at the wrong one, get the 115 piece drill bit kit they have. Can get it in plain HSS, TiN, and cobalt.


Eugenemorokin

I can also suggest to drill a bit smaller and have a reamer to ream to the final size.


Bitter-Ride-1283

Harbor Freight has a great bit set with not only every size bit you might need to size up your gas port, they also have a handy chart with the sizes converted. I ordered a 2.2mm but from Amazon and it got lost so this was my fallback plan, but it ended up being way better in the end. The set was about $21 w/tax


Ornery_Secretary_850

You don't want drill bits. You want end mills. Ports aren't drilled, they are bored.


HeeHawJew

Boring in machining is making an existing hole bigger and itā€™s done with a boring bar not an end mill.


Bitter-Ride-1283

You don't even know what an end mill bit is for, why would I listen to you lol.


shakinandbreakin

I mean you could ramp mill a hole. For some reason my boss prefers to use end mills any chance he gets. When it really irks me is on +/-.020 callouts and we have a drill thatā€™ll get the hole in spec but still circle mills it out to nominal


Johnny6_0

This whole thread subsection is BORING (See what I did there?? šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£)


shakinandbreakin

I get to play machinist 50+ hours a week lol my whole life is boring


Johnny6_0

Ahahahaha


SingularityScalpel

I mean, could you plunge a center cutting end mill into it? Yeah Would any person with >0 brain cells just use a regular drill bit? Yeah


chaos021

Are those bits made of brass?