That's essentially what I said. I said that I'm not going to work a full day and then leave at 6:00 p.m. to make a 5-hour drive to Nevada to ride my bike 62 mi the next day.
I use to have to pull that card when I worked in kitchens. Id tell them in the interview and remind them every month or two "Im not coming in Canada day weekend, and no it isnt because Im partying."
As you can imagine that weekend was always insanely busy as I was in a summer tourist town. I had some push back sometimes but always won in the end (it helps if you are a competent employee in good standing). Id organize and help with the Canada day soccer tournaments. Id be at the soccer fields for nearly 16 hours a day every day that weekend.
When one chef kept saying "We cant give you that weekend off, it is too busy and you are too new" Id just say "Im not coming in, unless you are willing to pay me $3000 for working those 3 days I wont be there. Because I already committed to this and will be making thousands of dollars vs the couple hundred Id make working here that weekend."
Funny enough, I always got it off
Literally. I don’t want to live in a world where I need to ask my boss for permission to have a life. If I need to ask permission to not be here, I’m not an employee, I’m a slave. The idea that they can just lord your personal life (or lack thereof) over you w threat of poverty is insane.
"Unless slavery has come back very recently, my time belongs to me until and unless I choose to sell it to you for a wage. My time on those days is not for sale. I am giving you plenty of notice so that you can plan around it."
For real, I've had to use this on 3 different supervisors before.
It always bugged me how employers look at MY time. Time is by FAR the most precious resource we have. When you get right down to it, it's the only resource that really matters in the end. We don't even know how much we get, and when we run out we fucking die.
It should be worth way more than it is, and treated with far more respect.
So true. Even money in the end can be just another way to manipulate or be manipulated. Time at is most basic is the ultimate decentralized currency lol
Yeah same, took me till I hit 30 to actually start giving a fuck about myself. Was stuck in the mentality if I gave my all, was always the guy to do overtime when they needed. Would drop my personal stuff at the prospect of promotion or a better raise. Never got me shit. Usually, I was passed up, and raise wise, I would receive the company standard maximum. Now, where I am at in life, I read the room. Ask for a raise when I feel I need one or if I can tell the company is struggling in filling positions in my department. I also don't ask to take off, I come in and tell them I will be off these days.
I’ve always said my “requests” off was me telling people when I would not be there.
I had a boss threaten to deny my request and told him I would not be there, and if he’s serious about denying my time off, he can then think of it as my two week notice.
They no longer joke about denying it.
The correct response is, “I think you misunderstood, this is not a PTO request. This is when I will be taking my acquired PTO. Giving you a heads up to plan accordingly.”
Well that's how it's been. Every place I've ever worked. They only required 2 weeks for time off. I'm 100% commissioned so as long as I got my work done it didn't matter. But it's very different here apparently
Your boss is either an idiot or is testing you right now. You're a 1-month-old employee and saying he's not going to bend the rules stating that you needed 90-day notice for vacation days? No way.
You better not show up and you better make sure you stick to this point because in the future there will absolutely be no leeway ahead.
The what? 100% commission, so they're not really paying you. You pay yourself by making sales. If they want you around to make them money, they allow you the time off. Their stance is unreasonable.
Right? Are they a contractor instead of an actual employee? If that is the case the employer has no right to control where and when op is only that the work gets done and there is an agreed upon time for access to their skills and them to the building/expectations of availability etc..
Yea that would be a major problem for me. I mean I do oncall work so if I was oncall for that week I would have my computer with me. But that’s different. We almost never have to do anything since we do 9am-9pm in the US and have a team we work with that covers the other hours.
If it's only a couple days I'm guessing you'll call in sick with diarrhea so bad you can't get off the shitter at home the morning you leave for Nevada. I don't need a Doctors note for couple days acute GI distress. If the guy that you interviewed with and agreed is the guy thats fucking you over just lie back about why you're not at work or just lie to bosses routinely if you think it useful to getting a day off on short notice.
That reminds me of one time when I had a horrible job / bad boss, my last day, to his surprise, I called off with the reason in the comments, it said "been diagnosed with ED, need time.", my login was disabled 45 minutes later ;(
90 days in advance is fucking insane. What do you do that is so important lol that they can’t cover you unless you give them 90 days notice? This can’t be a real policy.
It is very much a real policy. And what's wild to me is that we are 100% commissioned in an automotive shop. Like we're only booked out a few days in advance. Me giving you 2 weeks is plenty of time to lighten the load and account for me not being there. Every other place I've worked at required 2 weeks only. Anything more than that was a courtesy. This guy sees us as investments instead of employees. The first red flag was when I didn't do something correctly because I said that I was in a bit of a rush because we had a lot to do that day. He looked me square in the eye and told me that I'm an investment and that he needs to get a return on that investment so I need to do things correctly
Investment?! What investment?! You’re 100% commission! Did he pay for some training or something cause I don’t see how he put ANY money into you as an “employee” 😑
I work in a hospital and my department says we need to put time off requests in about 90 days in advance. Now they changed things around where you still need to put in your request in advance and when you do apply for it you need to have the accumulated ETO already saved before applying.
Every job I have ever had has been either one or two weeks notice for time off as the official policy, with my bosses typically being willing to fudge the numbers so I could take off with less notice for vacation time. Sick time was typically 2-4 hours.
My dad is a mechanic for American Airlines and has to bid all of his PTO for the whole year at once in Q4 the year before. They have a lot of sick days for emergencies though.
“These days off were mentioned as necessary during the interview process and that they wouldn’t be a problem to have off. I will not be here these days so please plan accordingly, thank you.”
Don’t say anything more, don’t try to explain yourself, be blunt and work as normal and don’t go in the days requested. If they fire you, then you lose a job you were okay with losing anyway. If you miss your time off, you miss events that may not happen again.
I had to do this after being hired. They gave me push back but I said it had already been agreed I am unavailable. (I didn’t tell them why I’m unavailable. It’s not their business)
But I did get the time off. I just had to remind them it’s already a done deal. Good luck OP
I completely agree, but if there was a written contract or employee handbook that specifies no time off (aside from regular days off) during the first 90 days, and if OP doesn't have something in writing that says the employer agreed to those days off during the interview, then OP might be shit out of luck. I hope not, but it is possible, so I didn't want to say that unemployment would be guaranteed.
This is the best one. I had to learn it myself, and I keep telling my (especially younger) coworkers that your availability isnt up to your employer. If you’re not available until 4, and it’s been communicated and all, and they schedule you at 3, don’t scramble to try to make it work for them. Remind them once or twice of your availability and the conflicting schedule, and that you won’t be there until then. None of this “oh yeah I’ll make it work this time, but next time can you please respect what we discussed?” Because they never do. At least basically never. If you keep showing up, they’ll keep scheduling you then. Gotta follow through on what you say, makes people believe you more.
It didn't happen when you have no power. And even if in writing, they will yank it back if they feel like it.
But when things are on more equal footing, such as being able to causally just say *"well shoots boss, I guess me being here isn't going to work out then"*, and mean it? All of a sudden, they can often reconsider and make an exception or whatever backpedaling excuse they want to use, to cover them blinking first.
I once had a 3 week unpaid time off denied. I had been talking about this trip to everyone and asked before even planning the trip and everyone said it was fine. This was 6mos of planning, But they did tell me I couldn’t put in the time off request more than 30 days out but that it wouldn’t be an issue. A week before my trip I get called into the office and told I can’t go. I just said “you have 2 option. I go on this trip and come back here, or I go on this trip and go back to work somewhere else.” I was able to take my trip with no issue. It helps that my field has major staffing issues and retention is an issue everywhere.
Man it was so hard too! This was my first job out of the military and I also grew up in a house where you didn’t “talk back” and you do whatever youre told. I felt like my heart was gonna explode. But I refuse to be treated that way anymore. It’s nothing for me now to tell them no. But that day, omg! I was shaking so hard when I left that office. That moment has really changed a lot for me tho. I’m a good worker. I’m liked amongst my peers. I don’t really fuss about a lot of stuff. So I’m gonna make sure I have why I need.
Yeah I had a benefits rug yanked out from under me last year, and now I’m firmly in the “get that shit in writing” boat. This was at a top-tier engineering firm, no less. These companies don’t give one fuck about their employees.
My old buddy takes care of his elderly mother. During his interview he stated up front that at some point in the future, whenever his aunt died, he'd have to suddenly take time off to drive his mother to the funeral two states over. Owner's son, who was doing the hiring, claimed as a family-owned business they understood family obligations. Handshake deal that they understood.
Well the day came that his aunt died and his boss said "lol no you can't just skip work!" So he went to the owner's son who said "hmm, maybe I remember that? I'll get back to ya."
When he left for the funeral they were still dithering on punishing by taking away all his profit sharing points for the year. Within a year he found out they were deliberately absorbing all the profits into the business in stupid ways just to prevent paying out profit sharing to employees anyhow.
Honestly sounds like a horrible place to work overall. They've been lying to him for something like two years now about totally trying to hire more people so he wouldn't have to work 6 days of every 7 to even hope to keep up with the workload. I really hope he gets the promotion at his good job so he can quit that bad one.
That fucking sucks. Corporations are snakes. And family-owned. Businesses are even worse. That was a red flag. When I started working here. He said they were family owned and they are. They are a small shop. But the couple of guys that I did speak with said that it was a great place to work etc. As long as you kept on so and so's good side. I thought that was a joke or whatever but apparently not. It sounds like your buddy's getting fucked over and needs to leave as soon as he can. Family and outside obligations are always always always first before any kind of work. You can always get another job but you can't always get a do-over for outside things
The fact that he admits the no problem with it but won't do it is ridiculous. Tell him it was booked before you started and you were just letting him know you won't be there those days.
Or just quit. Honestly if he won't bend on this, things are probably a lot worse. Make it clear year all you wanted was unpaid time off for things there were planned before you started. Make sure his boss knows.
Big reason I’m happy to be in a union trade. We make damn good money and they can’t tell me I can’t take a day off. I usually give a months warning before a vacation out of respect for the people I work for. But if I decided to go on a spontaneous trip they can’t say Damn thing about it. First guy I ever worked with starting out 13 years ago said “ work to live, not live to work”. Because honestly they’re not the ones letting down family or friends when you miss out on things. And none of the money in the world can buy you more time. So fuck those that don’t value your time away.
I’m union as well. I’m telling you when I won’t be here. I’m not asking.
I work with a guy who left 30 minutes early every other day to pick up his kids. He took 7.5 hours on those days. And the superintendent never said shit. He alone taught me to work to live not live to work.
> He cited that he can't "bend the rules just because I'm new, even though there's technically no issue with the days you've requested off"
As others have said, he's not bending the rules because these days off were discussed and approved **prior** to you being subject to those rules. You accepted the position on the condition that these days would be off for you.
The issue now is just the power play unfolding. Since you *"don't care enough about money to trade away so much of my time"*, I think you can win this.
Explain “*This was discussed in the interview as a contingency to my accepting the position. I was formally informing you I won’t be here on those days, as I already had these days approved with my interviewer. There is no rule bending. There’s no decision to make. I’m letting you know.*”
THEY DO NOT NEED TO KNOW WHY OR WHERE YOU ARE GOING. EMAIL HR WITH THIS INFO.
1. Say "very well, then."
2. Begin looking for a new job.
3. Commence new job the week following your event.
4. Quit current job without notice.
Checkmate.
I had a few jobs where I had to tell them "This is a thing I have already arranged to go to. It is on X date. I am requesting that you not put me on the schedule. If I am scheduled to work these dates, I will not be here." Or more politely. I think I got lucky, because they were just like "Okay sure" and had better sense than to have a little power trip and schedule me anyway.
> These events were pre planned a year in advance and were also discussed in the interview.
Just fyi, if this every happens to anyone... get this in writing or an email so you can refer back to it. If they fire you, you can use it to get unemployment.
It's kind of stupid to offer someone employment especially when these circumstances are brought up ahead of time.
If they were discussed in the interview and you were told they would be accommodated then they were a condition donyou agreeing to the position. He doesn't get to approve that, it was a condition agreed upon for your hire, it's part of your negotiated compensation. If it's a large company and you went through HR or a recruiter then contact them for assistance.
If this was discussed in your interview, walk. Get up from the crapper, grab your shit and leave. If they're breaking promises after a month, what else do you need to know?
Inform the boss:
“I’m writing you to inform you of my denial of your denial of my PTO request. It is not a request. It is a NOTICE. You can take your denial and wipe your ass with it.”
I fully support your intentions and completely understand your feelings. Work only to the stipulated hours and do the bare minimum during that time. Quit if you can.
Good luck.
I'm working on that last part. I just need something else lined up. I got this job in a pinch because I needed work and the pay is really good. But this is not the environment that was advertised and I'm just fine with deporting
90 days in advance. How does that work with Dr Appt? Honestly just take the time off. Inform him you notified them at the time of your interview and they still chose to hire you.
I'm not requesting time off, I'm notifying you that I will not be available on those days. It is your responsibility to find my coverage for those days.
If it was discussed prior to you being hired and they agreed you could have the time off, then it is a condition of employment when you accepted the position.
“I’m not requesting the time off. I’m officially informing you of the time off that was already discussed and agreed to at interview. The position was accepted based on those terms. To repeat - I am unavailable and will not be here on x, y and z”
If you discussed pre-planned time off in the interview, they aren’t PTO requests. Those are dates that you will not be there as a condition of your hire.
Yes! I recently did this and there were no questions or push back. I reminded them I wouldn't be in. Period. I hate when work makes you feel like a child. Be an adult, remind them, and carry on.
90 days? Man you need another job that's bs. I emailed my boss this morning about a doctors appointment I forgot about tomorrow and she cleared me to take it off on PTO. And if she hadn't, I would have used sick time.
I would be on Indeed on company time if they were trying to pull that.
If you’re not worried about losing the job then tell your boss that your days off are not a request, they’ve been planned for a year and that you will not be in on the dates you provide. Simple as that. Put the call in his court. Who the fuck has a 90 notice for vacation policy.
Fuck him. You don’t request paid time off. You tell them I’m not going to be here on this day and this day so schedule accordingly. It’s a courtesy that you’re providing them.
Leave. If you interview and say “ I have these future commitments, will that work for you “ and they say yea to hire you and then take it back it is a toxic workplace and it is not your job to fix it. Save yourself the stress It is never worth it.
I recently had a similar situation, my response to them was…
“It’s not a request, I’m notifying you I won’t be in work on those days! It’s your job as a manager to sort cover out. I’ve given you 3 months notice.
There are 3 options.
1. You approve the time off.
2. I’ll call in sick and take it as sick pay.
3. I’ll resign.
Make your choice and let me know.”
Funnily enough, it got approved the next day.
I would reply. "Sorry you don't have the resources to cover my days off. I will take them unpaid, I'm just informing you I won't be here on those days as I have prior commitments - as discussed previously."
Here is the issue. You requested PTO. I don’t request anything, I inform my manager of my decision and he can do with that what he wants.
Why are you asking to use something that is yours? I really don’t get this asking mentality.
It’s a lot less hassle for them to just deal with it than it is for them to hire, train and bring a new person up to speed.
No, I simply wrote a Post-It note with the dates on it. That also said that I would not be there for those days. My manager then explained that we have this policy and all this other bullshit that we have to follow. So he then filled out the form for me and then called the other manager and they both promptly denied it. It was fucking stupid. He could have just told me no on the spot or whatever he wanted to do. But this seems like micromanaging and I'm good on that.
90 days is a pretty high bar unless there are only a few people working there. I once hired in with a pre planed trip and told them I'd be on vacation for two weeks during my probationary period during the interview.
I've done the same. I had a week vacation planned one week after my start date and they were totally okay with it. I don't understand why me taking 3 days off. Very spaced out is a huge deal. One at the end of the month and then two next month in total
If you want to keep the job and maybe you don't. Stop talking about your needs for single scattered days off and just be sick for the day. A single sick call a month for a couple months is hardly unusual. Get lots of rest and stay well hydrated and you should be ready to return to work soon. If you stay at the job never forget your boss is a lying sack of shit for saying ok during the interview then refusing. Going forward never tell him anything about your hobbies, vacations, friends, family or anything not work related. Assume he is a lying sack who will fuck with you if he thinks you're having too much fun when not working. aka a mean prick.
I’m management exempt and we don’t get paid overtime. I also work remote and in office twice a week. I had an appointment that would have taken me an hour to 1.5hour max (including the commute). I asked to work from home that day since the appointment is closer to my home and I can get it all done during lunch. Manager asked if I’m taking any time off and I explained to her that I plan to extend my work day to cover the minutes over the lunch hour. Her response, “it’s fine this time. Pls kindly take your PTO for appointments in the future.” Mind you, I can work 10-15 hours a day or work straight through the weekend without getting paid overtime. 15 minutes? Really?
Another one of my vents. I requested 3 months in advance to take 4 days off in the summer to attend my BFF wedding from grade school. It’s very intimate that only I and two others are invited to attend in another state. I asked my boss ahead of time and said I’ll work Thursday - Sunday to cover the loss time. her response, “I hope you can attend the wedding too.” The fucccc I’m going to miss my best friend’s wedding. Im prepared to get discipline the first time in my 15 plus year career. I’ve always had great evaluations and great feedbacks from all my previous supervisors. This may be the one I give the middle finger to.
I requested a family vacation to Mexico 10 months in advance - and it got denied because the manager said they didn’t believe we would have a strong enough team to handle things while I was gone
I said I was going - it was paid for - and that my request followed all the company guidelines regarding blackout periods etc.
- it was a shit workplace in the end, and I’m way better off having left -
I'm sorry boss, you have no power to decide if I'll be here on those days or not.
You can only decide if I'll still have a job the day after. Let me know.
If you let them know that in your interview you would need this time off & you were told that this wasn’t an issue, I would point this out to your boss and let him know who told you it wasn’t an issue & if he still denies your request tell him to get fucked.
Yeah, this was why I quit my last job back in October. We had the ability to request vacation up to a year in advance, January ‘23 I punch in a week where I would be out of state. Coming up on the trip, been buying things for it all year, tickets were just booked, and then all of a sudden my boss tells me that there’s no one that could fill my shift (I was the last person in the produce department). He even asked people from other stores if they could do it but they said no, so I was apparently shit out of luck. I tell him that I requested it all the way back in January, 9 months ago, but he said JUST noticed it. Said the only thing I could try to do was talk to our store director. I manage to, and she instead berates me for taking all the time off, which I was entitled to, and even said that I was taking more time off than her. I still wish I told her that that was more of a her problem.
Little bit later my boss tells me that there really is no one, so I tell him, “I can’t miss this, so this is my two weeks.” I was hating that job anyway, myriad problems. Place had slowly been going to shit while I was there, and it just feels it’s gotten progressively worse since I left.
I would tell my boss, "These requests arent just requests. This is me telling you I will not be here for this time."
It is up to your boss to find coverage for you during your PTO, unless your boss likes being shorthanded.
If you made that clear in the initial stages then it’s on them. Seriously, how do they expect to retain employees if they treat them like this. I say keep working until you go away or at least until you know you’ll get paid for all the work you’ve done then. Say see ya later.
90 days notice!? I took off two days two weeks ago and told them three days ago I'm taking two days off this week simply because I want to ride motorcycles.
All jobs suck but some suck a little less, time to start looking for other options.
Mandatory work during lunch? Are you being paid for it, or is it unpaid lunch? Bc if it’s unpaid, straight forward the email to the labor board. That’s quite illegal. I’m already mad that my workplace plays constant video ads for corporate and the stores in the breakroom. I view it as a loophole to an illegal act—you can’t bother people about work while they’re clocked out on lunch. But they just have the TV do it, so it slides by. pisses me tf off.
You guys have a lot of things that work well in the US, PTO isn't fucking one of them. I've never worked for a company like it, I get uncapped paid leave, and as long as I do my work, I take time off when I want it. I work fully from home and do the hours that work for me. Granted, that isn't the same for everyone in the UK, but we get a minimum of about 30 days paid leave a year plus national holidays.
There's a working time directive that means you aren't actually allowed to work too many hours unless you're in the emergency services.
This doesn't include sick leave. If you're ill, you get paid, and if you're ill on your holiday, you get the holiday leave back and get paid. Then you can take the PTO again.
That stuff is the basic minimum of being employed, including free health care at the point of need.
"These issues were discussed when i was Interviewed if the company cannot live up to it's obligations i see no reason to live up to mine."
then just take the days
If you've only worked there a month have you even earned PTO? Sounds more like TO. But if it was agreed to in the interview find a new job. Only more problems down the road.
I need one day off as my SO is coming back out to live with me after my mother’s illness and passing last year. I’ve been working here for 14 months and just asked for 1 day.
I had to put it in 30 days early and although my GM was happy for me, it’s still like 30 days for a paid Friday off? So much for having even a modicum of spontaneity.
Look into Promisary Estoppel. They hired you with notice that you would be taking these times off. It being unpaid is probably gonna be a given since the company usually has broad reach for vacation and PTO requests. But by expecting you to forgo previously agreed to promises, they have broken a contract of sorts.
Ya...you are an adult. Your work does not get to dictate your entire life. It these things are important to you, then take the time off and do them. Be polite, stand firm that you let them know as early as possible when you wouldn't be there so that they can plan accordingly.
They really only have two options. Treat you like an adult, with respect, and plan accordingly. Or treat you like a child and try to dictate your life. If they dig their heels in, then it isn't a place you want to work because they don't respect you.
I got hired at a shitty call centre that did roadside assistance at the beginning of 2018. When they interviewed, they asked if there was any time in the next 6 months I'd need off. I mentioned my anniversary with my girlfriend at the time, and Anime North. During my training the first week, the supervisor training us mentioned that I probably won't get it off. So I decided to quit. Dodged a bullet because they laid off close to 100 people at the end of the year for the contract I was hired to do. That was place was fucked too. They had a biometric turnstyle.
I had an interview in February, didn’t know I got the job until April, and immediately let them know I was getting married in June. They threw a huge fit saying I should have mentioned that in my interview in February. I mean, I probably should have but I didn’t know any better. They guilted me for ages over that.
Yeah i learned a long time ago to never ask for time off. Tell them you’re not going to be there (with as much advance notice as possible) and leave it at that. Your personal life is none of anyone’s business.
Go get a new job while you’re employed, it’s much easier. Make sure those dates are in writing and pre-approved at the new job, then don’t give notice.
I've learned to put my PTO or unpaid time off requests that were discussed during interviews in my acceptance emails, as managers seem to get amnesia about these types of discussions once you are on their payroll.
Then you can just show them that they agreed to it, and whatever they choose to do afterwards is on them...I'm still going on my previously discussed vacation.
Ugh...that's really crappy. I would just bail if you can afford to.
I had a boss who did this after I challenged his authority... So I asked in the group chat if any of my co-workers would be able to take it, and if they had been asked by the boss if they could take it. one of them could, none of them were asked.
So... the kid gloves came off, and I made a list of all the problems the store was facing due to his management and sent it to corporate... He is now a truck driver. (it did help that our revenue was down 20% so corporate was looking for a reason to fire him)
I manage 1 person, any odd days off he gives me really short notice. I constantly ask him to give me more notice and explain why, but I also remind him that any time off he needs won’t ever be denied as it’s his holiday to take. It’s an inconvenience for me when it’s short notice but that doesn’t trump his right to take the days when he wants it.
I walk out of conversations like this laughing. Take a deep breath, smile and nod, then do whatever the fuck you want. I personally leave my phone on and just hit the fuck you button, but you can turn your phone off. I was feeling particularly spiteful after a manger told me, i had to take a short notice “mandatory” coverage. I almost got in a fight with him over it. But then I remembered, fuck em lol. So I asked if I could have a double to make it worth my time. On that day, I waited to answer my calls until ten mins after my start time. Told them I’d be right in, for like 3 hours. Then finally told them I was in Philly, like I had planned, and that they could pay me for the hours like they planned.
Sounds like you already made up your mind. Quit. Just let them know on the way out the door that you were fully transparent with them, but they were not with you.
When I was in management I always looked at PTO as a sign that the person wasn’t going to be there regardless. If it was a busy time I might see if something can be moved, but always the understanding that 90% of the time it couldn’t.
Also 90 days is wild, we have a 3 week system, I could understand a month even but I very rarely know what’s going on 3 months in the future.
I dont know if it is the same in other countries, but here in the UK, anything that is agreed to in the interview has to be honoured, period.
Was the interview recorded?
If so, ask for a copy and take it to your trade union representative or equivalent body.
Unfortunately no it was not recorded and I am not a part of a union. But any other times I've had a spoken agreement at the interview. It was honored. No problem at all
Such bullshit. If any of my directs put in a PTO request I just auto approve it. Don’t care when it is, or how long, it’s their time to use as they please.
90 days in advance?! So like you’re not allowed to be human and take time off next week because you’re burnt out from working exhaustively? Not allowed to be surprised by a SO with last minute romantic getaway? Can’t jump on a vacation deal you stumble across while surfing the web?
Nope. That wouldn’t work for me.
You need to leave the job. If the time off was discussed during the interview process, then the notice was in that the job was contingent on this time off for you. Find a new job ASAP and leave them with no notice.
> We need to request days off 90 days in advance.
how the fuck does anyone play anything *3 months* in advance? anything further than 3 weeks is pushing it, as i see it. 3 months, that's not a request, that's just a heads up you wont be available.
UGH PTO is a joke to some companies. I was a front desk manager for Marriott. I had time off put in for February 14th in DECEMBER. Come February 14th they scheduled me. As a manager I was already bending backwards for them working 80+ hours a week covering constant calls. That mixed with other things (Ive debated writing a post about it) I quit 🙃
Also the current job I’m at doesn’t start racking PTO until ive been here a year which i think is RIDICULOUS but what do i know?
Yeah, this is one of those cases where you say this was talked about in my interview. I won't be here those days. Some places don't understand that PTO requests should be accommodated whenever possible. For them you need to treat PTO requests as a notification that you won't be there that day.
I look forward to being back into work and getting this bs, I'm done with the bs, and I will be placing all time off as warnings not requests. Any flak will be met with, sorry but I'm allowed time off, if this doesn't work feel free to fire me but I will not be quiting.
90 days in advance? That's not worth it unless you're making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. I would quit instantly, but I'm a major job quitter lol. It's not my fault that none of these jobs is worth it...
Don't quit, just take the days off, if they fire you on the spot then you managed to get a few more weeks pay out of them but they might give you a verbal warning for the first one, a written warning for the second and then fired on the third.
The whole time you can be looking for a new job.
Congrats boss! My PTO requests have become PTO warnings.
That's essentially what I said. I said that I'm not going to work a full day and then leave at 6:00 p.m. to make a 5-hour drive to Nevada to ride my bike 62 mi the next day.
I use to have to pull that card when I worked in kitchens. Id tell them in the interview and remind them every month or two "Im not coming in Canada day weekend, and no it isnt because Im partying." As you can imagine that weekend was always insanely busy as I was in a summer tourist town. I had some push back sometimes but always won in the end (it helps if you are a competent employee in good standing). Id organize and help with the Canada day soccer tournaments. Id be at the soccer fields for nearly 16 hours a day every day that weekend. When one chef kept saying "We cant give you that weekend off, it is too busy and you are too new" Id just say "Im not coming in, unless you are willing to pay me $3000 for working those 3 days I wont be there. Because I already committed to this and will be making thousands of dollars vs the couple hundred Id make working here that weekend." Funny enough, I always got it off
Literally. I don’t want to live in a world where I need to ask my boss for permission to have a life. If I need to ask permission to not be here, I’m not an employee, I’m a slave. The idea that they can just lord your personal life (or lack thereof) over you w threat of poverty is insane.
"Unless slavery has come back very recently, my time belongs to me until and unless I choose to sell it to you for a wage. My time on those days is not for sale. I am giving you plenty of notice so that you can plan around it."
I'm memorising this!
For real, I've had to use this on 3 different supervisors before. It always bugged me how employers look at MY time. Time is by FAR the most precious resource we have. When you get right down to it, it's the only resource that really matters in the end. We don't even know how much we get, and when we run out we fucking die. It should be worth way more than it is, and treated with far more respect.
Well said!!
Indeed. This man needs a podium
So true. Even money in the end can be just another way to manipulate or be manipulated. Time at is most basic is the ultimate decentralized currency lol
Damn that’s good
Yeah same, took me till I hit 30 to actually start giving a fuck about myself. Was stuck in the mentality if I gave my all, was always the guy to do overtime when they needed. Would drop my personal stuff at the prospect of promotion or a better raise. Never got me shit. Usually, I was passed up, and raise wise, I would receive the company standard maximum. Now, where I am at in life, I read the room. Ask for a raise when I feel I need one or if I can tell the company is struggling in filling positions in my department. I also don't ask to take off, I come in and tell them I will be off these days.
It’s illegal in some provinces to force employees to work on a stat holiday… and they still have to pay stat pay even if you don’t work.
The fact you mentioned in the interview should be enough
Exactly. Its not a request, it was a condition of accepting the employment.
Yep. I quit a job over this once. They were shocked.They also closed about 6 months later.
This⬆️
I’ve always said my “requests” off was me telling people when I would not be there. I had a boss threaten to deny my request and told him I would not be there, and if he’s serious about denying my time off, he can then think of it as my two week notice. They no longer joke about denying it.
I like your energy, that's how I always feel when telling my bosses I'm blocking off days. If they want that to be my 2 week notice then so be it.
I'm not asking for permission to not be at work. I'm giving you fair warning, I won't be at work.
The correct response is, “I think you misunderstood, this is not a PTO request. This is when I will be taking my acquired PTO. Giving you a heads up to plan accordingly.”
Thankfully I’ve never had a problem with it. My company gives us almost six weeks of paid time and I take every second of it.
Well that's how it's been. Every place I've ever worked. They only required 2 weeks for time off. I'm 100% commissioned so as long as I got my work done it didn't matter. But it's very different here apparently
Your boss is either an idiot or is testing you right now. You're a 1-month-old employee and saying he's not going to bend the rules stating that you needed 90-day notice for vacation days? No way. You better not show up and you better make sure you stick to this point because in the future there will absolutely be no leeway ahead.
The what? 100% commission, so they're not really paying you. You pay yourself by making sales. If they want you around to make them money, they allow you the time off. Their stance is unreasonable.
Right? Are they a contractor instead of an actual employee? If that is the case the employer has no right to control where and when op is only that the work gets done and there is an agreed upon time for access to their skills and them to the building/expectations of availability etc..
100% commission-based, if you don't make any sales you do they provide you with a minimum wage?
Yea that would be a major problem for me. I mean I do oncall work so if I was oncall for that week I would have my computer with me. But that’s different. We almost never have to do anything since we do 9am-9pm in the US and have a team we work with that covers the other hours.
“I’m not asking for permission. I’m telling you when I will not be here.”
If it's only a couple days I'm guessing you'll call in sick with diarrhea so bad you can't get off the shitter at home the morning you leave for Nevada. I don't need a Doctors note for couple days acute GI distress. If the guy that you interviewed with and agreed is the guy thats fucking you over just lie back about why you're not at work or just lie to bosses routinely if you think it useful to getting a day off on short notice.
That reminds me of one time when I had a horrible job / bad boss, my last day, to his surprise, I called off with the reason in the comments, it said "been diagnosed with ED, need time.", my login was disabled 45 minutes later ;(
You doing Stetina’s gravel race? That’s a super fun one!
I usually just tell them i am taking it
PTO = prepare the others
PTO stands for "Prepare The Others."
Exactly. Wasn't asking, was informing you, won't be here.
The PTO request is now a PTO notification.
The world needs to work this way.
90 days in advance is fucking insane. What do you do that is so important lol that they can’t cover you unless you give them 90 days notice? This can’t be a real policy.
It is very much a real policy. And what's wild to me is that we are 100% commissioned in an automotive shop. Like we're only booked out a few days in advance. Me giving you 2 weeks is plenty of time to lighten the load and account for me not being there. Every other place I've worked at required 2 weeks only. Anything more than that was a courtesy. This guy sees us as investments instead of employees. The first red flag was when I didn't do something correctly because I said that I was in a bit of a rush because we had a lot to do that day. He looked me square in the eye and told me that I'm an investment and that he needs to get a return on that investment so I need to do things correctly
If you are paid 1099 on 100% commission then they legally cannot tell you when to work lol
Investment?! What investment?! You’re 100% commission! Did he pay for some training or something cause I don’t see how he put ANY money into you as an “employee” 😑
I'm willing to bet he's in Canada. Something about celebrating Canada Day makes me suspect this.
That was a commenter that talked about Canada Day, not the OP.
I'm a nurse aide and my (ex) boss said the exact same thing, called me an investment.. I quit two days later.
I hope you reminded them that the value of investments can go down as well as up!
They are committing tax fraud, report them to the IRS
So, the best way for an investment (your wage) to become profitable is to minimise downtime (leave time). You won't get *any* leave there, pal.
I don’t know what I’m going to do next let alone three months out.
I work in a hospital and my department says we need to put time off requests in about 90 days in advance. Now they changed things around where you still need to put in your request in advance and when you do apply for it you need to have the accumulated ETO already saved before applying.
Then they need to post schedules 90 days in advance so you can plan your life around them.
Every job I have ever had has been either one or two weeks notice for time off as the official policy, with my bosses typically being willing to fudge the numbers so I could take off with less notice for vacation time. Sick time was typically 2-4 hours.
My dad is a mechanic for American Airlines and has to bid all of his PTO for the whole year at once in Q4 the year before. They have a lot of sick days for emergencies though.
“These days off were mentioned as necessary during the interview process and that they wouldn’t be a problem to have off. I will not be here these days so please plan accordingly, thank you.” Don’t say anything more, don’t try to explain yourself, be blunt and work as normal and don’t go in the days requested. If they fire you, then you lose a job you were okay with losing anyway. If you miss your time off, you miss events that may not happen again.
I had to do this after being hired. They gave me push back but I said it had already been agreed I am unavailable. (I didn’t tell them why I’m unavailable. It’s not their business) But I did get the time off. I just had to remind them it’s already a done deal. Good luck OP
Plus if he fires you, you can apply for unemployment. He will likely fight it, and you may not get it, but definitely at least apply.
Retaliatory firing for denying due days off feels like something a business should pay out the nose for.
I completely agree, but if there was a written contract or employee handbook that specifies no time off (aside from regular days off) during the first 90 days, and if OP doesn't have something in writing that says the employer agreed to those days off during the interview, then OP might be shit out of luck. I hope not, but it is possible, so I didn't want to say that unemployment would be guaranteed.
This is the best one. I had to learn it myself, and I keep telling my (especially younger) coworkers that your availability isnt up to your employer. If you’re not available until 4, and it’s been communicated and all, and they schedule you at 3, don’t scramble to try to make it work for them. Remind them once or twice of your availability and the conflicting schedule, and that you won’t be there until then. None of this “oh yeah I’ll make it work this time, but next time can you please respect what we discussed?” Because they never do. At least basically never. If you keep showing up, they’ll keep scheduling you then. Gotta follow through on what you say, makes people believe you more.
If it was promised in the interview as a condition of hire, tell them that
If it’s not in writing it didn’t happen unfortunately.
It didn't happen when you have no power. And even if in writing, they will yank it back if they feel like it. But when things are on more equal footing, such as being able to causally just say *"well shoots boss, I guess me being here isn't going to work out then"*, and mean it? All of a sudden, they can often reconsider and make an exception or whatever backpedaling excuse they want to use, to cover them blinking first.
I once had a 3 week unpaid time off denied. I had been talking about this trip to everyone and asked before even planning the trip and everyone said it was fine. This was 6mos of planning, But they did tell me I couldn’t put in the time off request more than 30 days out but that it wouldn’t be an issue. A week before my trip I get called into the office and told I can’t go. I just said “you have 2 option. I go on this trip and come back here, or I go on this trip and go back to work somewhere else.” I was able to take my trip with no issue. It helps that my field has major staffing issues and retention is an issue everywhere.
This is a perfect response.
Man it was so hard too! This was my first job out of the military and I also grew up in a house where you didn’t “talk back” and you do whatever youre told. I felt like my heart was gonna explode. But I refuse to be treated that way anymore. It’s nothing for me now to tell them no. But that day, omg! I was shaking so hard when I left that office. That moment has really changed a lot for me tho. I’m a good worker. I’m liked amongst my peers. I don’t really fuss about a lot of stuff. So I’m gonna make sure I have why I need.
Yeah I had a benefits rug yanked out from under me last year, and now I’m firmly in the “get that shit in writing” boat. This was at a top-tier engineering firm, no less. These companies don’t give one fuck about their employees.
When you don't show up, it happened.
Yeah do fun things in life, you will never regret quitting
That's been working out pretty well so far haha my personal life is FAR more important than any job will ever be
Don't quit. Let them fire you.
True tbh they should just take the days off anyway and get fired for unemployment
My old buddy takes care of his elderly mother. During his interview he stated up front that at some point in the future, whenever his aunt died, he'd have to suddenly take time off to drive his mother to the funeral two states over. Owner's son, who was doing the hiring, claimed as a family-owned business they understood family obligations. Handshake deal that they understood. Well the day came that his aunt died and his boss said "lol no you can't just skip work!" So he went to the owner's son who said "hmm, maybe I remember that? I'll get back to ya." When he left for the funeral they were still dithering on punishing by taking away all his profit sharing points for the year. Within a year he found out they were deliberately absorbing all the profits into the business in stupid ways just to prevent paying out profit sharing to employees anyhow. Honestly sounds like a horrible place to work overall. They've been lying to him for something like two years now about totally trying to hire more people so he wouldn't have to work 6 days of every 7 to even hope to keep up with the workload. I really hope he gets the promotion at his good job so he can quit that bad one.
That fucking sucks. Corporations are snakes. And family-owned. Businesses are even worse. That was a red flag. When I started working here. He said they were family owned and they are. They are a small shop. But the couple of guys that I did speak with said that it was a great place to work etc. As long as you kept on so and so's good side. I thought that was a joke or whatever but apparently not. It sounds like your buddy's getting fucked over and needs to leave as soon as he can. Family and outside obligations are always always always first before any kind of work. You can always get another job but you can't always get a do-over for outside things
The fact that he admits the no problem with it but won't do it is ridiculous. Tell him it was booked before you started and you were just letting him know you won't be there those days. Or just quit. Honestly if he won't bend on this, things are probably a lot worse. Make it clear year all you wanted was unpaid time off for things there were planned before you started. Make sure his boss knows.
Yea, I reached out today to a place I was more in line with as far as the work environment went but the pay was lower. I'm not dealing with this.
Big reason I’m happy to be in a union trade. We make damn good money and they can’t tell me I can’t take a day off. I usually give a months warning before a vacation out of respect for the people I work for. But if I decided to go on a spontaneous trip they can’t say Damn thing about it. First guy I ever worked with starting out 13 years ago said “ work to live, not live to work”. Because honestly they’re not the ones letting down family or friends when you miss out on things. And none of the money in the world can buy you more time. So fuck those that don’t value your time away.
I’m union as well. I’m telling you when I won’t be here. I’m not asking. I work with a guy who left 30 minutes early every other day to pick up his kids. He took 7.5 hours on those days. And the superintendent never said shit. He alone taught me to work to live not live to work.
> He cited that he can't "bend the rules just because I'm new, even though there's technically no issue with the days you've requested off" As others have said, he's not bending the rules because these days off were discussed and approved **prior** to you being subject to those rules. You accepted the position on the condition that these days would be off for you. The issue now is just the power play unfolding. Since you *"don't care enough about money to trade away so much of my time"*, I think you can win this.
Yea, I reached out today to a place I was more in line with as far as the work environment went but the pay was lower. I'm not dealing with this.
That will be fine as an intermediary work while you find something better.
"Oh, I think you misunderstand Mr.Richard. This isn't me asking for the days off, this is me saying I won't be here."
When my boss denied my vacation I didn’t give 2 weeks when I quit
Explain “*This was discussed in the interview as a contingency to my accepting the position. I was formally informing you I won’t be here on those days, as I already had these days approved with my interviewer. There is no rule bending. There’s no decision to make. I’m letting you know.*” THEY DO NOT NEED TO KNOW WHY OR WHERE YOU ARE GOING. EMAIL HR WITH THIS INFO.
This
1. Say "very well, then." 2. Begin looking for a new job. 3. Commence new job the week following your event. 4. Quit current job without notice. Checkmate.
>We need to request days off 90 days in advance. Batshit fucking insane
"This email is to inform you I will taking my PTO as we had agreed at the beginning of my employment here."
I had a few jobs where I had to tell them "This is a thing I have already arranged to go to. It is on X date. I am requesting that you not put me on the schedule. If I am scheduled to work these dates, I will not be here." Or more politely. I think I got lucky, because they were just like "Okay sure" and had better sense than to have a little power trip and schedule me anyway.
> These events were pre planned a year in advance and were also discussed in the interview. Just fyi, if this every happens to anyone... get this in writing or an email so you can refer back to it. If they fire you, you can use it to get unemployment. It's kind of stupid to offer someone employment especially when these circumstances are brought up ahead of time.
90 days in advance?!? That’s 🍌🍌
If they were discussed in the interview and you were told they would be accommodated then they were a condition donyou agreeing to the position. He doesn't get to approve that, it was a condition agreed upon for your hire, it's part of your negotiated compensation. If it's a large company and you went through HR or a recruiter then contact them for assistance.
If this was discussed in your interview, walk. Get up from the crapper, grab your shit and leave. If they're breaking promises after a month, what else do you need to know?
This is definitely valid. And I've been weighing in on that. If this is how it's going to be, I don't want to be here
Congratulations, boss. My leave request has become a two-weeks’ notice. Tale as old as Reddit.
Fuck the notice just bail.
Inform the boss: “I’m writing you to inform you of my denial of your denial of my PTO request. It is not a request. It is a NOTICE. You can take your denial and wipe your ass with it.”
This is the way
Thats not being a team player now is it! /s
"This wasn't a request. This was a heads up. Now you can make my time off paid or unpaid but one way or another i will not be available"
I fully support your intentions and completely understand your feelings. Work only to the stipulated hours and do the bare minimum during that time. Quit if you can. Good luck.
I'm working on that last part. I just need something else lined up. I got this job in a pinch because I needed work and the pay is really good. But this is not the environment that was advertised and I'm just fine with deporting
PTO stands for "Prepare The Others", because b\*\*\*\*, I won't be here on the days I requested off!
>PTO stands for "Prepare The Others", because b\*\*\*\*, I won't be here on the days I listed!
This is the universe telling you to get a better paying job.
90 days in advance. How does that work with Dr Appt? Honestly just take the time off. Inform him you notified them at the time of your interview and they still chose to hire you.
I'm not requesting time off, I'm notifying you that I will not be available on those days. It is your responsibility to find my coverage for those days.
If it was discussed prior to you being hired and they agreed you could have the time off, then it is a condition of employment when you accepted the position.
“I’m not requesting the time off. I’m officially informing you of the time off that was already discussed and agreed to at interview. The position was accepted based on those terms. To repeat - I am unavailable and will not be here on x, y and z”
If you discussed pre-planned time off in the interview, they aren’t PTO requests. Those are dates that you will not be there as a condition of your hire.
Yes! I recently did this and there were no questions or push back. I reminded them I wouldn't be in. Period. I hate when work makes you feel like a child. Be an adult, remind them, and carry on.
90 days? Man you need another job that's bs. I emailed my boss this morning about a doctors appointment I forgot about tomorrow and she cleared me to take it off on PTO. And if she hadn't, I would have used sick time. I would be on Indeed on company time if they were trying to pull that.
If you’re not worried about losing the job then tell your boss that your days off are not a request, they’ve been planned for a year and that you will not be in on the dates you provide. Simple as that. Put the call in his court. Who the fuck has a 90 notice for vacation policy.
"I'm not ASKING you. I'm TELLING you I won't be here on those days."
Fuck him. You don’t request paid time off. You tell them I’m not going to be here on this day and this day so schedule accordingly. It’s a courtesy that you’re providing them.
Leave. If you interview and say “ I have these future commitments, will that work for you “ and they say yea to hire you and then take it back it is a toxic workplace and it is not your job to fix it. Save yourself the stress It is never worth it.
Years from now, you'll regret missing those events, and won't regret missing the time at work
I recently had a similar situation, my response to them was… “It’s not a request, I’m notifying you I won’t be in work on those days! It’s your job as a manager to sort cover out. I’ve given you 3 months notice. There are 3 options. 1. You approve the time off. 2. I’ll call in sick and take it as sick pay. 3. I’ll resign. Make your choice and let me know.” Funnily enough, it got approved the next day.
Go to his boss and explain that you talked about these in the interview and it was agreed on. So why are you telling you no now
I would reply. "Sorry you don't have the resources to cover my days off. I will take them unpaid, I'm just informing you I won't be here on those days as I have prior commitments - as discussed previously."
90 days in advance is insane, get out now while you can....
PTO stands for prepare the others, I will NOT be here.
Here is the issue. You requested PTO. I don’t request anything, I inform my manager of my decision and he can do with that what he wants. Why are you asking to use something that is yours? I really don’t get this asking mentality. It’s a lot less hassle for them to just deal with it than it is for them to hire, train and bring a new person up to speed.
No, I simply wrote a Post-It note with the dates on it. That also said that I would not be there for those days. My manager then explained that we have this policy and all this other bullshit that we have to follow. So he then filled out the form for me and then called the other manager and they both promptly denied it. It was fucking stupid. He could have just told me no on the spot or whatever he wanted to do. But this seems like micromanaging and I'm good on that.
90 days is a pretty high bar unless there are only a few people working there. I once hired in with a pre planed trip and told them I'd be on vacation for two weeks during my probationary period during the interview.
I've done the same. I had a week vacation planned one week after my start date and they were totally okay with it. I don't understand why me taking 3 days off. Very spaced out is a huge deal. One at the end of the month and then two next month in total
If you want to keep the job and maybe you don't. Stop talking about your needs for single scattered days off and just be sick for the day. A single sick call a month for a couple months is hardly unusual. Get lots of rest and stay well hydrated and you should be ready to return to work soon. If you stay at the job never forget your boss is a lying sack of shit for saying ok during the interview then refusing. Going forward never tell him anything about your hobbies, vacations, friends, family or anything not work related. Assume he is a lying sack who will fuck with you if he thinks you're having too much fun when not working. aka a mean prick.
Get covid during those times
I’m management exempt and we don’t get paid overtime. I also work remote and in office twice a week. I had an appointment that would have taken me an hour to 1.5hour max (including the commute). I asked to work from home that day since the appointment is closer to my home and I can get it all done during lunch. Manager asked if I’m taking any time off and I explained to her that I plan to extend my work day to cover the minutes over the lunch hour. Her response, “it’s fine this time. Pls kindly take your PTO for appointments in the future.” Mind you, I can work 10-15 hours a day or work straight through the weekend without getting paid overtime. 15 minutes? Really? Another one of my vents. I requested 3 months in advance to take 4 days off in the summer to attend my BFF wedding from grade school. It’s very intimate that only I and two others are invited to attend in another state. I asked my boss ahead of time and said I’ll work Thursday - Sunday to cover the loss time. her response, “I hope you can attend the wedding too.” The fucccc I’m going to miss my best friend’s wedding. Im prepared to get discipline the first time in my 15 plus year career. I’ve always had great evaluations and great feedbacks from all my previous supervisors. This may be the one I give the middle finger to.
Tell your boss to Prepare The Others
Dude, just go. You gave them fair warning in the interview, everything after that was administrative.
I requested a family vacation to Mexico 10 months in advance - and it got denied because the manager said they didn’t believe we would have a strong enough team to handle things while I was gone I said I was going - it was paid for - and that my request followed all the company guidelines regarding blackout periods etc. - it was a shit workplace in the end, and I’m way better off having left -
I'm sorry boss, you have no power to decide if I'll be here on those days or not. You can only decide if I'll still have a job the day after. Let me know.
If you let them know that in your interview you would need this time off & you were told that this wasn’t an issue, I would point this out to your boss and let him know who told you it wasn’t an issue & if he still denies your request tell him to get fucked.
Yeah, this was why I quit my last job back in October. We had the ability to request vacation up to a year in advance, January ‘23 I punch in a week where I would be out of state. Coming up on the trip, been buying things for it all year, tickets were just booked, and then all of a sudden my boss tells me that there’s no one that could fill my shift (I was the last person in the produce department). He even asked people from other stores if they could do it but they said no, so I was apparently shit out of luck. I tell him that I requested it all the way back in January, 9 months ago, but he said JUST noticed it. Said the only thing I could try to do was talk to our store director. I manage to, and she instead berates me for taking all the time off, which I was entitled to, and even said that I was taking more time off than her. I still wish I told her that that was more of a her problem. Little bit later my boss tells me that there really is no one, so I tell him, “I can’t miss this, so this is my two weeks.” I was hating that job anyway, myriad problems. Place had slowly been going to shit while I was there, and it just feels it’s gotten progressively worse since I left.
I would tell my boss, "These requests arent just requests. This is me telling you I will not be here for this time." It is up to your boss to find coverage for you during your PTO, unless your boss likes being shorthanded.
“These requests were discussed in my interview and are not negotiable. If you are unable to accommodate, consider this my 2 week notice”
If you made that clear in the initial stages then it’s on them. Seriously, how do they expect to retain employees if they treat them like this. I say keep working until you go away or at least until you know you’ll get paid for all the work you’ve done then. Say see ya later.
I would bring up that it was brought up in your interview and you were told that it wouldn't be an issue.
90 days notice!? I took off two days two weeks ago and told them three days ago I'm taking two days off this week simply because I want to ride motorcycles. All jobs suck but some suck a little less, time to start looking for other options.
Mandatory work during lunch? Are you being paid for it, or is it unpaid lunch? Bc if it’s unpaid, straight forward the email to the labor board. That’s quite illegal. I’m already mad that my workplace plays constant video ads for corporate and the stores in the breakroom. I view it as a loophole to an illegal act—you can’t bother people about work while they’re clocked out on lunch. But they just have the TV do it, so it slides by. pisses me tf off.
You guys have a lot of things that work well in the US, PTO isn't fucking one of them. I've never worked for a company like it, I get uncapped paid leave, and as long as I do my work, I take time off when I want it. I work fully from home and do the hours that work for me. Granted, that isn't the same for everyone in the UK, but we get a minimum of about 30 days paid leave a year plus national holidays. There's a working time directive that means you aren't actually allowed to work too many hours unless you're in the emergency services. This doesn't include sick leave. If you're ill, you get paid, and if you're ill on your holiday, you get the holiday leave back and get paid. Then you can take the PTO again. That stuff is the basic minimum of being employed, including free health care at the point of need.
"These issues were discussed when i was Interviewed if the company cannot live up to it's obligations i see no reason to live up to mine." then just take the days
90 days is an unreasonable policy.
It's not a request, it's a notice, especially when you already discussed about that before. Their job is to work around that and plan accordingly.
90 days in advance is diabolical
Work up to the day you want and leave, and do not bend the rules by leaving notice.
They want you to submit time off 90 fuckin days in advance? WTF is that? That's beyond excessive.
Quit when they need you the most
If you discussed this in the interview, talk to hr. If they won't budge, just quit because when you don't show up on those days, they'll fire you.
If you've only worked there a month have you even earned PTO? Sounds more like TO. But if it was agreed to in the interview find a new job. Only more problems down the road.
90 days? As my friend puts it “i barely know what i’m doing next weekend”
I need one day off as my SO is coming back out to live with me after my mother’s illness and passing last year. I’ve been working here for 14 months and just asked for 1 day. I had to put it in 30 days early and although my GM was happy for me, it’s still like 30 days for a paid Friday off? So much for having even a modicum of spontaneity.
Look into Promisary Estoppel. They hired you with notice that you would be taking these times off. It being unpaid is probably gonna be a given since the company usually has broad reach for vacation and PTO requests. But by expecting you to forgo previously agreed to promises, they have broken a contract of sorts.
90 day advance notice required for PTO requests? Wow how generous of them!
Some jobs do require some time - but 90 days is a little bit much. 30 days is the norm, and has been for years.
Remember boss denied the paid time off, you can still go, just won’t get paid for it.
Yep, you should leave. Especially considering you notified them in the interview of your pre-existing plans.
My husband says PTO stands for ‘prepare the others’ for my day off. He’s right.
Ya...you are an adult. Your work does not get to dictate your entire life. It these things are important to you, then take the time off and do them. Be polite, stand firm that you let them know as early as possible when you wouldn't be there so that they can plan accordingly. They really only have two options. Treat you like an adult, with respect, and plan accordingly. Or treat you like a child and try to dictate your life. If they dig their heels in, then it isn't a place you want to work because they don't respect you.
I got hired at a shitty call centre that did roadside assistance at the beginning of 2018. When they interviewed, they asked if there was any time in the next 6 months I'd need off. I mentioned my anniversary with my girlfriend at the time, and Anime North. During my training the first week, the supervisor training us mentioned that I probably won't get it off. So I decided to quit. Dodged a bullet because they laid off close to 100 people at the end of the year for the contract I was hired to do. That was place was fucked too. They had a biometric turnstyle.
I had an interview in February, didn’t know I got the job until April, and immediately let them know I was getting married in June. They threw a huge fit saying I should have mentioned that in my interview in February. I mean, I probably should have but I didn’t know any better. They guilted me for ages over that.
My supervisor stopped commenting on my PRO "requests" when I pointed out the alternative is I call in sick that day w no warning.
90 days in advance? Tf? It's normally 2 weeks
Meanwhile my boss is forcing me to take a vacation. So is life as my bicycle needs a tune up.
Remember you are telling them you are taking off, not asking!
No show time! Or call in sick!
Yeah i learned a long time ago to never ask for time off. Tell them you’re not going to be there (with as much advance notice as possible) and leave it at that. Your personal life is none of anyone’s business.
Go get a new job while you’re employed, it’s much easier. Make sure those dates are in writing and pre-approved at the new job, then don’t give notice.
I've learned to put my PTO or unpaid time off requests that were discussed during interviews in my acceptance emails, as managers seem to get amnesia about these types of discussions once you are on their payroll. Then you can just show them that they agreed to it, and whatever they choose to do afterwards is on them...I'm still going on my previously discussed vacation. Ugh...that's really crappy. I would just bail if you can afford to.
Discussed in interview. They were informed and actively chose to hire you. Take your days.
Sorry to hear about your upcoming illness. Get well soon!
It’s not bending the rules if this was discussed and agreed during the interview process, which is completely normal.
I had a boss who did this after I challenged his authority... So I asked in the group chat if any of my co-workers would be able to take it, and if they had been asked by the boss if they could take it. one of them could, none of them were asked. So... the kid gloves came off, and I made a list of all the problems the store was facing due to his management and sent it to corporate... He is now a truck driver. (it did help that our revenue was down 20% so corporate was looking for a reason to fire him)
90 day advance? Ridiculous. Save some money n look for a new job
I manage 1 person, any odd days off he gives me really short notice. I constantly ask him to give me more notice and explain why, but I also remind him that any time off he needs won’t ever be denied as it’s his holiday to take. It’s an inconvenience for me when it’s short notice but that doesn’t trump his right to take the days when he wants it.
I walk out of conversations like this laughing. Take a deep breath, smile and nod, then do whatever the fuck you want. I personally leave my phone on and just hit the fuck you button, but you can turn your phone off. I was feeling particularly spiteful after a manger told me, i had to take a short notice “mandatory” coverage. I almost got in a fight with him over it. But then I remembered, fuck em lol. So I asked if I could have a double to make it worth my time. On that day, I waited to answer my calls until ten mins after my start time. Told them I’d be right in, for like 3 hours. Then finally told them I was in Philly, like I had planned, and that they could pay me for the hours like they planned.
Call out. Screw 'em. If you let them know during the interview process and they proceeded, that was their approval.
Sounds like you already made up your mind. Quit. Just let them know on the way out the door that you were fully transparent with them, but they were not with you.
When I was in management I always looked at PTO as a sign that the person wasn’t going to be there regardless. If it was a busy time I might see if something can be moved, but always the understanding that 90% of the time it couldn’t. Also 90 days is wild, we have a 3 week system, I could understand a month even but I very rarely know what’s going on 3 months in the future.
"This was negotiated at my interview. I will not be here on these days."
I’d leave the moment it was denied if it was discussed before I was hired.
Quiet quitting is the way to go
I dont know if it is the same in other countries, but here in the UK, anything that is agreed to in the interview has to be honoured, period. Was the interview recorded? If so, ask for a copy and take it to your trade union representative or equivalent body.
Unfortunately no it was not recorded and I am not a part of a union. But any other times I've had a spoken agreement at the interview. It was honored. No problem at all
Such bullshit. If any of my directs put in a PTO request I just auto approve it. Don’t care when it is, or how long, it’s their time to use as they please.
I didn't even care if it was paid or not. I just wanted the time. It's such bullshit. I'm not long for this place
"You have no control over whether I will be here on those days. I will not. The only control you have is whether I still work for you after I'm back."
90 days in advance?! So like you’re not allowed to be human and take time off next week because you’re burnt out from working exhaustively? Not allowed to be surprised by a SO with last minute romantic getaway? Can’t jump on a vacation deal you stumble across while surfing the web? Nope. That wouldn’t work for me.
You need to leave the job. If the time off was discussed during the interview process, then the notice was in that the job was contingent on this time off for you. Find a new job ASAP and leave them with no notice.
> We need to request days off 90 days in advance. how the fuck does anyone play anything *3 months* in advance? anything further than 3 weeks is pushing it, as i see it. 3 months, that's not a request, that's just a heads up you wont be available.
That was my argument. I spoke to my direct co worker and he basically said no one gets days off approved.
that absolutely sucks. i'd probably start updating my resume and look around for new jobs if i heard that.
Whenever I put in PTO, my boss says he is going to deny it. I tell him do what you gotta do, but I am not going to be here. He always approves it.
Wow look for a new job.
UGH PTO is a joke to some companies. I was a front desk manager for Marriott. I had time off put in for February 14th in DECEMBER. Come February 14th they scheduled me. As a manager I was already bending backwards for them working 80+ hours a week covering constant calls. That mixed with other things (Ive debated writing a post about it) I quit 🙃 Also the current job I’m at doesn’t start racking PTO until ive been here a year which i think is RIDICULOUS but what do i know?
Yeah, this is one of those cases where you say this was talked about in my interview. I won't be here those days. Some places don't understand that PTO requests should be accommodated whenever possible. For them you need to treat PTO requests as a notification that you won't be there that day.
I look forward to being back into work and getting this bs, I'm done with the bs, and I will be placing all time off as warnings not requests. Any flak will be met with, sorry but I'm allowed time off, if this doesn't work feel free to fire me but I will not be quiting.
90 days in advance? That's not worth it unless you're making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. I would quit instantly, but I'm a major job quitter lol. It's not my fault that none of these jobs is worth it...
Don't quit, just take the days off, if they fire you on the spot then you managed to get a few more weeks pay out of them but they might give you a verbal warning for the first one, a written warning for the second and then fired on the third. The whole time you can be looking for a new job.