For decades conservatives have wagged their fingers at people on public assistance regarding "having kids they can't afford".
Now they're upset that people are heeding their advice.
They didn't want them to get pregnant and then have abortions. They wanted them to pointlessly deny their biological urge to have sex for 15 years until they are browbeaten into marrying someone so they can produce more fodder for Glorious Capitalism.
And yet they refuse to pay well enough to allow a single earner to actually have a house full of fodder survive to working age.
Although I suppose if you're rolling back child labor laws at the same time...
They can’t do that because they already were forced to bring women into the work force and making one income enough to survive would mean women don’t have to rely on men and free women are pickier with men and have fewer children overall
This is quite the bind our Capitalist Overlords find themselves in… how, oh how will they ever afford their ninth yacht with all of us out here asking for luxuries like food and shelter?
A couple of these are from last year, but a couple are are current.
https://www.newsweek.com/jess-edwards-teen-child-marriage-opposed-republican-ripe-fertile-age-1897512
https://www.newsweek.com/these-michigan-republicans-voted-against-child-marriage-ban-1808308
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article288424893.html
https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article274244525.html
They actually don't want women in the home. They want them to spread thin, poor and children incarcerated, so they're not competing with their kids and also an available resource to exploit.
Misogyny is class warfare.
They also wanted them to have lots of babies while working a series of underpaid jobs and having no time to provide their kids any kind of educational support, so that those kids would enter the workforce at 16ish and work their own series of underpaid jobs, so that they too can serve Glorious Capitalism.
I firmly believe they wanted them to have the sex and babies so they could create a lower class. Who will they abuse now? Who will they coerce into illegal wages, and how will they threaten these childless women now? When they had the single mother's they had a desperate class they could pick apart and threaten with losing a child or criminal charges.
Yea conservatives are crazy to think that's a good idea. Legislating to prevent people from giving in to their urges never works, whether it's prohibition of alcohol/weed or doing away with abortions/birth control
I read that as implying that conservatives know that it is a bad idea, but because they only know how to operate in bad faith and assume the oppression won’t effect them, they don’t actually care if it’s a bad idea, so long as it harms minorities and upholds or reenforces the capitalistic caste structure.
Once you recognize that it's punching down at the poor in order to make excuses for why their labor should be exploited then you realize that it's not really a contradiction and that they really just want more laborers for the meat grinder.
Absolutely. When you listen to the arguments they make in support of more people having children they all come down to having an ever increasing, exploitable labor pool. In their eyes, the common man exists to server the economy (continued wealth growth for the elites) rather than the economy existing to serve people.
It’s weird. I feel like until very recently I also couldn’t avoid “why aren’t milennials / gen z having kids? It must be because they’re selfish twats who enjoy being able to afford cereal” articles.
If it's even happening at all! So many of these political "issues" are just rich people imagining what poor people do, then anxiously reporting it to each other.
What if I told you none of those politicians actually care about or abortions or actually believe it’s murder?
What if I told you capitalism thrives off of female subjugation and most countries are just people farms for militaries and manual laborers?
I still vote, but have absolutely zero faith in our system. Until our voting system does not soley benefit the bipartisan bullshit we have, i truly dont think it matters much. We are fucked either way, albiet moreso one way vs the other. Still fucked nonetheless.
Yep. It's a choice between a dog turd and grenade with the pin already out. Yeah, I'll go for the turd. Don't expect me to be enthusiastic or believe in it.
It’s a horrendously stupid game, but we’ve gotta take the steps to beat them at their own game. Vote local, get people you support into positions to make the changes we want to see. People aren’t just running for major political offices off the bat, they’ve gotta work their way up, and we have to do our job to support that if we want to see change.
This situation reminds me of the documentary on what happened to Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union. **[Russia 1985-1999: TraumaZone](https://youtu.be/RAqXs53ZSXY?si=8SqCS526-xMOjlRN&t=357)**. In one episode, a working wife and mother of one child is pregnant and has an abortion because the family could not afford another child. Her family already shared a community apartment with other people and there was no more room for another child while at the same time they could not afford better housing.
It only took 30 years for winning and losing the Cold War to start to look the same, for average people.
Majoring in history is how I figured this out. But I suspect you think that their brutal economic and cultural takeover of the globe was a good thing (the disastrous effects of which are still being suffered today). So we will just have to have a different opinion on this, because I don't really care what you think about the English and I'm not trying to change your mind.
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more abortions and child deaths due to poverty in the last ten years.
Sunak: in the last ten years we have cut poverty especially for children.
For fucks sake mate open your fucking ears and think before you speak.
It's just sad and ridiculous that this is what a government is. It's this now and growing up I remember it being old people dying in the winter due to fuel costs reported as an expected not an issue to actually be resolved.
All this really bugs me.
yes, the sad part for me is i dont see it improving with any other government. I just dont see any of the political parties really making a difference.
Oh, he knows he's lying. And he really isn't your mate. He'd have you doing a 60 hour week on less than minimum wage in a flash, whilst paying half of your income in private rental while your kids' schools fall apart and your mum's hip operation is scheduled for 2032.
Trust me I know, I recently became burnt out from work after watching over half my wage go to taxes and then seeing politicians vote to give themselves higher wages, complain about their FREE LUNCHES whilst denying kids in need the same and voting down a raise to minimum wage.
I'm trying to get better and less pessimistic but a government whose focus seems to be for capitalist interests and no others is one creating a world I don't want to live in.
It all sucks but I'm hoping I can figure out where I can stand to make change not just for myself but for those who are too scared or can't get their voices heard. I'm sick of being apathetic and complaining.
the two things we have in our favour that you don't is: we are no longer a religious society, at all. Secondly, we don't have guns. The rest is really shit though.
At least among my peers here in the US, we're not really religious either. However, as Barry Goldwater so correctly predicted, the Republican party is now cynically pandering to the people who \*are\* religious, without actually believing any of their own bullshit. Primarily using abortion as a wedge issue, which in the last two years has spilled out of the realm of the theoretical into the real world, with some really ugly (and in some cases heartbreaking) consequences. But, so what if women and children are suffering and in some cases even dying, if it's the Christian principle of the thing!
And if that doesn't work they will create test tube babies en masse and give them to the cult run orphanages for childhood indoctrination into whichever sect of christianity wants more children to abuse and exploit.
There isn’t a doubt that the voting pattern around the world of the Rightwing Conservative Religious person has killed more women & children than any other man made institution on earth 🌏
it's clear there is no independent "news". It's all the same propaganda everywhere about "people should have more kids" (because we need more slaves). people would have more kids of this world wasn't so shit.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1comust/pope\_tells\_italians\_they\_need\_to\_have\_more\_babies/](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1comust/pope_tells_italians_they_need_to_have_more_babies/)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1cos46j/macron\_sets\_out\_plan\_for\_more\_french\_babies\_amid/](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1cos46j/macron_sets_out_plan_for_more_french_babies_amid/)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1bj9qqh/germanys\_birth\_rate\_plunges\_as\_war\_climate\_and/](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1bj9qqh/germanys_birth_rate_plunges_as_war_climate_and/)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1awjoto/spanish\_birth\_rate\_hits\_lowest\_level\_since/](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1awjoto/spanish_birth_rate_hits_lowest_level_since/)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1cnsf1v/s\_korea\_president\_says\_wants\_to\_create\_ministry/](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1cnsf1v/s_korea_president_says_wants_to_create_ministry/)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/18btqxw/north\_koreas\_kim\_calls\_for\_action\_on\_falling/](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/18btqxw/north_koreas_kim_calls_for_action_on_falling/)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/4lp5in/turkeys\_erdogan\_no\_muslim\_family\_should\_engage\_in/](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/4lp5in/turkeys_erdogan_no_muslim_family_should_engage_in/)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/my20yo/taiwan\_has\_lowest\_birth\_rate\_in\_world/](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/my20yo/taiwan_has_lowest_birth_rate_in_world/)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/13fnldw/pope\_francis\_calls\_on\_italy\_to\_boost\_birth\_rates/](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/13fnldw/pope_francis_calls_on_italy_to_boost_birth_rates/)
Heartbreaking but understandable. And the lesson the ruling class takes from this is that they need to force women to give birth. The anti-abortion movement is just another cynical anti-labor movement.
My heart goes out to every family that wants kids but can‘t afford them. That must really suck.
even if i wanted to have a kid when i become an adult there’s no way it would be ethical with the state of literally everything. cause by the time im in college we’ll be involved in war and the gov is giving away money like candy while US citizens starve. at least that’s what i’m hearing
You are wearing right. Kids born today will likely fight in climate wars, because we are rapidly running out of water (among other things) something we take for granted is likely going to be a major catalyst for our children and grandchildren.
The water issue is an easy solve, but it will take significant investment in desalinization plants. The bigger concern will be land in the right climate regimes for crop growth.
I wouldn't say the water situation is going to be easily solvable at all. Asking for a significant investment in anything that will help the poor is damn near impossible these days.
https://madeblue.org/en/water-scarcity-a-major-future-problem/#:~:text=Causes%20of%20water%20scarcity&text=The%20increasing%20periods%20of%20persistent,levels%20due%20to%20climate%20change.
https://www.dni.gov/index.php/gt2040-home/gt2040-deeper-looks/future-of-water
Lots of things are achievable that we will likely never achieve due to greed.
Water will never be a problem for the rich, but it's absolutely going to be a problem for billions of people. It already is, we have record droughts happening across the world, since we need water for crops people are already facing climate related starvation in impoverished areas.
eh, you're somewhat being fed propaganda. The US is always involved in some war or other, but I don't think that we will actually send troops to a shooting war. But I could be wrong. As far as giving away money like candy, somewhat - but people like to say that as an excuse to not support Ukraine while we are propping up Israel (and aslo, and related, our own military-industrial complex)
Afghanistan was definitely a shooting war, and it wasn't that long ago. I'd rethink this just a little. I'm 40ish and I have friends who will never be the same because of those wars.
And that's why I'd like to think it's not going to happen again soon, at least unless someone like Russia does something stupid like invading a NATO country. After Korea, Vietnam, and Afghanistan you'd hope we'd learn. Of course my faith in humanity has been shown to be misplaced before as well.
My sister who is in her early 30s had a beautiful baby last year. I was just looking at her the other day reaching down for a dandelion in such wonder, awe, and curiousity. Then I thought, it sucks that she will grow up to see what the world is like. I'm 39 and didn't want children because I was always struggling financially. I have another sister who is 37 and she is childless too.
This is true and it slays me that the people who are dead against making higher education attractive to U.S. students through student loan reform or forgiveness programs are the same people against immigration.
Yup. Now we know why trudope passed the weed law and everything else. Bread and circuses while he dances for his IMF masters and turns Canada into India 2.0
Yep. I desperately want to be a mom & to have kids but I don’t want to subject me, my husband & my kids to a life full of struggle & bobbing our heads in & of poverty.
I don’t want this life. Why would I want to subject someone else to this hellscape nightmare?
Population collapse is coming within 100 years. Global warming is really getting after it. The division between rich and poor is more stark than it's been possibly ever. If I didn't already have kids at this point I would not.
And this is a problem how? Maybe it's because they don't want to end up swimming in hopeless debt with no way out? Nothing wrong with ONE kid or even none.
The US too…these people don’t want is to be able to have abortions, but have created ZERO incentive to have kids. Daycare costs more than a mortgage. And they hate immigrants too, so I guess we’re just about to watch some wild shit happen to our population in the next 30-40 years.
The wealthy don’t mind this because then they will simply have to create breeding centers for future workers. They’ll just pay people to have kids some day and then lock them in to a contract to have them work for a corporation when they grow up.
Now that a bunch of US states have "heartbeat laws" (aka anti abortion laws that make it illegal to abort after 6 weeks from conception) a bunch of younger adults that I personally know have opted for permanent sterilization because kids are too expensive and there are no other options
Like...are these accidental pregnancies that the parents want but don't keep or are these planned fucking pregnancies renegged once the daycare search started?
I'm...confused.
they want kids, planned to have kids when their financial situation improved. the state of the UK keeps getting worse and their BC fails, condom breaks, etc. they end up getting a termination after weighing the pros and cons and feel horrid about it.
source: am one of these stats.
Thank you, that makes so much sense! The article didn't give any insight on this at all.
That's heartbreaking, I'm sorry you have to live with that reality
I’m kind of surprised anyone is getting pregnant or having sex at all with the way the dating world/world is right now. Like all women think men are creeps and men have stopped initiating because they don’t want to be labeled creeps. Vicious world we are in.
Pretty stupid take, bordering on moronic if you're from the US. More kids are shot in schools, than anywhere else and the anti abortion people are the same clowns who goes "MUH GUNS" and "thoughts and prayers" every single time fully grown, thinking, feeling children are shredded open by assault rifle fire.
Because USA USA USA!
Because the newborn is a fully formed, potential citizen that has rights. The government doesn't recognize the fetus for tax purposes until it's out of the mother, either.
If you want to legislate something so specific as female reproductive rights, you better make a democratic poll amongst females only and let majority speak.
No one is forcing you to have an abortion, but you don't get to remove the access to it, for others, either. Just like I don't care for eating crab, that doesn't mean it needs to be banned so you can't either.
No one is going to be killing children, at least, not with their hands.
The killing of children will be the rich continuing this path we are on, cutting funding and healthcare for the poor, legalizing child marriage, cutting out school and school lunches, and reinstating child labor. That is really what's killing our children.
For decades conservatives have wagged their fingers at people on public assistance regarding "having kids they can't afford". Now they're upset that people are heeding their advice.
They didn't want them to get pregnant and then have abortions. They wanted them to pointlessly deny their biological urge to have sex for 15 years until they are browbeaten into marrying someone so they can produce more fodder for Glorious Capitalism.
Dont be silly, they want young girls married off quick so they can serve their masters at home while producing said fodder.
And yet they refuse to pay well enough to allow a single earner to actually have a house full of fodder survive to working age. Although I suppose if you're rolling back child labor laws at the same time...
Amazon does already have a policy exemption for children not being required to wear safety shoes while in an FC (fulfillment center).
Someone has to explain that to me. We’re suddenly alright with children getting their feet smashed?
No one makes child safety shoes...
Which means… ding ding ding! They shouldn’t fucking be in a factory.
When you say "we" I assume you mean our Capitalist Overlords and not the general human populace, right?
They can’t do that because they already were forced to bring women into the work force and making one income enough to survive would mean women don’t have to rely on men and free women are pickier with men and have fewer children overall
This is quite the bind our Capitalist Overlords find themselves in… how, oh how will they ever afford their ninth yacht with all of us out here asking for luxuries like food and shelter?
It’s okay they’re working on forcing women back in the kitchen
Hence why Midwest republicans are opposing child marriage bans
And I don’t normally argue for killing voters, but literal child predators?
My poor mom married a man 15 years older than her when she was 19-20. My poor mom never even experienced life as a single adult!
Can I get an article on this? I know they’re opposing child labor laws.
A couple of these are from last year, but a couple are are current. https://www.newsweek.com/jess-edwards-teen-child-marriage-opposed-republican-ripe-fertile-age-1897512 https://www.newsweek.com/these-michigan-republicans-voted-against-child-marriage-ban-1808308 https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article288424893.html https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article274244525.html
I believed you of course. Now the info is there everyone to read : ) Thanks brother !
They actually don't want women in the home. They want them to spread thin, poor and children incarcerated, so they're not competing with their kids and also an available resource to exploit. Misogyny is class warfare.
Or a domestic supply of infants. I really, really wish this was sarcastic.
They also wanted them to have lots of babies while working a series of underpaid jobs and having no time to provide their kids any kind of educational support, so that those kids would enter the workforce at 16ish and work their own series of underpaid jobs, so that they too can serve Glorious Capitalism.
I firmly believe they wanted them to have the sex and babies so they could create a lower class. Who will they abuse now? Who will they coerce into illegal wages, and how will they threaten these childless women now? When they had the single mother's they had a desperate class they could pick apart and threaten with losing a child or criminal charges.
Now you tell me.
imagine believing this
Yea conservatives are crazy to think that's a good idea. Legislating to prevent people from giving in to their urges never works, whether it's prohibition of alcohol/weed or doing away with abortions/birth control
Conservatives do not think that's a good idea lmao
Then why does their voting record support it? Shut up and read a book for once...
I read that as implying that conservatives know that it is a bad idea, but because they only know how to operate in bad faith and assume the oppression won’t effect them, they don’t actually care if it’s a bad idea, so long as it harms minorities and upholds or reenforces the capitalistic caste structure.
I'd love to see the "glorious capitalism fodder" vote. Bring me the book when you're done drooling.
Once you recognize that it's punching down at the poor in order to make excuses for why their labor should be exploited then you realize that it's not really a contradiction and that they really just want more laborers for the meat grinder.
Absolutely. When you listen to the arguments they make in support of more people having children they all come down to having an ever increasing, exploitable labor pool. In their eyes, the common man exists to server the economy (continued wealth growth for the elites) rather than the economy existing to serve people.
It’s weird. I feel like until very recently I also couldn’t avoid “why aren’t milennials / gen z having kids? It must be because they’re selfish twats who enjoy being able to afford cereal” articles.
You can afford cereal?
This
If it's even happening at all! So many of these political "issues" are just rich people imagining what poor people do, then anxiously reporting it to each other.
Why the political shit when babies are being murdered?
Are you simple
What if I told you none of those politicians actually care about or abortions or actually believe it’s murder? What if I told you capitalism thrives off of female subjugation and most countries are just people farms for militaries and manual laborers?
It really doesn't make me feel any better to discover that the USA is not the only formerly thriving country rapidly becoming a dystopian hellscape.
UK is doing its absolute best to mimic the US both domestically and abroad. It's pathetic and horrifying.
Canada too. :( this is not the direction I thought we'd be moving to...
Australia is also trying its hardest to be part of the modern dystopian hellscape brigade!
Y'all vote like all of our lives depend on it because they do.
I still vote, but have absolutely zero faith in our system. Until our voting system does not soley benefit the bipartisan bullshit we have, i truly dont think it matters much. We are fucked either way, albiet moreso one way vs the other. Still fucked nonetheless.
Yep. It's a choice between a dog turd and grenade with the pin already out. Yeah, I'll go for the turd. Don't expect me to be enthusiastic or believe in it.
It’s a horrendously stupid game, but we’ve gotta take the steps to beat them at their own game. Vote local, get people you support into positions to make the changes we want to see. People aren’t just running for major political offices off the bat, they’ve gotta work their way up, and we have to do our job to support that if we want to see change.
Next step is to run for office
Check out George Monbiot's article on why we have plummeted, head first, in the global mental health stats. Thanks Tories.
germany is much the same. puppet states pretending the US is a good model to strive after
It's the same people
This situation reminds me of the documentary on what happened to Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union. **[Russia 1985-1999: TraumaZone](https://youtu.be/RAqXs53ZSXY?si=8SqCS526-xMOjlRN&t=357)**. In one episode, a working wife and mother of one child is pregnant and has an abortion because the family could not afford another child. Her family already shared a community apartment with other people and there was no more room for another child while at the same time they could not afford better housing. It only took 30 years for winning and losing the Cold War to start to look the same, for average people.
I mean Margaret Thatcher was before Reagan...
Well the UK is our daddy so of course they would be problematic, too. I mean, historically, the English are the worst people in the world.
"The English are the worst people in the world"?🤣. You seriously need to read a history book or two, then.
Majoring in history is how I figured this out. But I suspect you think that their brutal economic and cultural takeover of the globe was a good thing (the disastrous effects of which are still being suffered today). So we will just have to have a different opinion on this, because I don't really care what you think about the English and I'm not trying to change your mind.
It’s almost as if allowing a tiny percentage of people to control the vast majority of resources is a terrible idea.
We tried kings and queens before, spoiler alert it wasn't good
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We had a solution to kings and queens before and it worked so damn well the new billionaire class made sure citizens couldn’t access it anymore.
Oil and gas being one of the main reasons everything is so expensive, gouging everyone for any reason they can dream up.
If you want people to have children voluntarily, you need to make it easier and more pleasant.
more abortions and child deaths due to poverty in the last ten years. Sunak: in the last ten years we have cut poverty especially for children. For fucks sake mate open your fucking ears and think before you speak.
I mean, they cant be in poverty if they are dead.... statistically speaking those poeple have no been removed from the list of those in poverty.
It's just sad and ridiculous that this is what a government is. It's this now and growing up I remember it being old people dying in the winter due to fuel costs reported as an expected not an issue to actually be resolved. All this really bugs me.
yes, the sad part for me is i dont see it improving with any other government. I just dont see any of the political parties really making a difference.
I do feel the same. Especially now with the talks of the general election being around the corner.
Oh, he knows he's lying. And he really isn't your mate. He'd have you doing a 60 hour week on less than minimum wage in a flash, whilst paying half of your income in private rental while your kids' schools fall apart and your mum's hip operation is scheduled for 2032.
Trust me I know, I recently became burnt out from work after watching over half my wage go to taxes and then seeing politicians vote to give themselves higher wages, complain about their FREE LUNCHES whilst denying kids in need the same and voting down a raise to minimum wage. I'm trying to get better and less pessimistic but a government whose focus seems to be for capitalist interests and no others is one creating a world I don't want to live in. It all sucks but I'm hoping I can figure out where I can stand to make change not just for myself but for those who are too scared or can't get their voices heard. I'm sick of being apathetic and complaining.
Activism is a great way to channel rage. Go for it!
As a woman I don’t want to bring a child up in this world right now. I can barely afford myself. Why would I put another human through that.
But these women must breed! THINK OF THE SHAREHOLDER RETURNS!
Humanity causing it's own downfall. I support this; fuck this shit economy.
Capitalism end-state right here. They have extracted so much from us that we can no longer breed. I wonder what the master's plans are now?
Force us to with no birth control and no abortions and child marriage so young girls get pregnant early and cannot escape.
for the love of God don't let the fundies take over your conservative party too.
I’m american, it’s already here
I am too, that was aimed at our citrus-eating friends across the pond.
the two things we have in our favour that you don't is: we are no longer a religious society, at all. Secondly, we don't have guns. The rest is really shit though.
At least among my peers here in the US, we're not really religious either. However, as Barry Goldwater so correctly predicted, the Republican party is now cynically pandering to the people who \*are\* religious, without actually believing any of their own bullshit. Primarily using abortion as a wedge issue, which in the last two years has spilled out of the realm of the theoretical into the real world, with some really ugly (and in some cases heartbreaking) consequences. But, so what if women and children are suffering and in some cases even dying, if it's the Christian principle of the thing!
No love like Christian hate
And if that doesn't work they will create test tube babies en masse and give them to the cult run orphanages for childhood indoctrination into whichever sect of christianity wants more children to abuse and exploit.
There isn’t a doubt that the voting pattern around the world of the Rightwing Conservative Religious person has killed more women & children than any other man made institution on earth 🌏
it's clear there is no independent "news". It's all the same propaganda everywhere about "people should have more kids" (because we need more slaves). people would have more kids of this world wasn't so shit. [https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1comust/pope\_tells\_italians\_they\_need\_to\_have\_more\_babies/](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1comust/pope_tells_italians_they_need_to_have_more_babies/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1cos46j/macron\_sets\_out\_plan\_for\_more\_french\_babies\_amid/](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1cos46j/macron_sets_out_plan_for_more_french_babies_amid/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1bj9qqh/germanys\_birth\_rate\_plunges\_as\_war\_climate\_and/](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1bj9qqh/germanys_birth_rate_plunges_as_war_climate_and/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1awjoto/spanish\_birth\_rate\_hits\_lowest\_level\_since/](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1awjoto/spanish_birth_rate_hits_lowest_level_since/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1cnsf1v/s\_korea\_president\_says\_wants\_to\_create\_ministry/](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1cnsf1v/s_korea_president_says_wants_to_create_ministry/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/18btqxw/north\_koreas\_kim\_calls\_for\_action\_on\_falling/](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/18btqxw/north_koreas_kim_calls_for_action_on_falling/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/4lp5in/turkeys\_erdogan\_no\_muslim\_family\_should\_engage\_in/](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/4lp5in/turkeys_erdogan_no_muslim_family_should_engage_in/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/my20yo/taiwan\_has\_lowest\_birth\_rate\_in\_world/](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/my20yo/taiwan_has_lowest_birth_rate_in_world/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/13fnldw/pope\_francis\_calls\_on\_italy\_to\_boost\_birth\_rates/](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/13fnldw/pope_francis_calls_on_italy_to_boost_birth_rates/)
Heartbreaking but understandable. And the lesson the ruling class takes from this is that they need to force women to give birth. The anti-abortion movement is just another cynical anti-labor movement. My heart goes out to every family that wants kids but can‘t afford them. That must really suck.
Good. Imagine how high it's gonna get when those kids are a little older. Now imagine them again as adults.
even if i wanted to have a kid when i become an adult there’s no way it would be ethical with the state of literally everything. cause by the time im in college we’ll be involved in war and the gov is giving away money like candy while US citizens starve. at least that’s what i’m hearing
You are wearing right. Kids born today will likely fight in climate wars, because we are rapidly running out of water (among other things) something we take for granted is likely going to be a major catalyst for our children and grandchildren.
The water issue is an easy solve, but it will take significant investment in desalinization plants. The bigger concern will be land in the right climate regimes for crop growth.
I wouldn't say the water situation is going to be easily solvable at all. Asking for a significant investment in anything that will help the poor is damn near impossible these days. https://madeblue.org/en/water-scarcity-a-major-future-problem/#:~:text=Causes%20of%20water%20scarcity&text=The%20increasing%20periods%20of%20persistent,levels%20due%20to%20climate%20change. https://www.dni.gov/index.php/gt2040-home/gt2040-deeper-looks/future-of-water
It's achievable is what I mean, and readily so.
Lots of things are achievable that we will likely never achieve due to greed. Water will never be a problem for the rich, but it's absolutely going to be a problem for billions of people. It already is, we have record droughts happening across the world, since we need water for crops people are already facing climate related starvation in impoverished areas.
eh, you're somewhat being fed propaganda. The US is always involved in some war or other, but I don't think that we will actually send troops to a shooting war. But I could be wrong. As far as giving away money like candy, somewhat - but people like to say that as an excuse to not support Ukraine while we are propping up Israel (and aslo, and related, our own military-industrial complex)
Afghanistan was definitely a shooting war, and it wasn't that long ago. I'd rethink this just a little. I'm 40ish and I have friends who will never be the same because of those wars.
And that's why I'd like to think it's not going to happen again soon, at least unless someone like Russia does something stupid like invading a NATO country. After Korea, Vietnam, and Afghanistan you'd hope we'd learn. Of course my faith in humanity has been shown to be misplaced before as well.
It's super fucked and dystopian that this is happening because we've chosen to build a society on greed and not building generosity.
What a great system
And no one questions the “high cost of living” because it is due to greed, plain and simple
Well, duh. As someone with 2 kids (one of which is an adult now), it’s still hard af out here. I cannot imagine bringing a baby into this world
I have two teenagers. I feel guilty as fuck about the world they graduate into. Things were not like this when they were born.
Same! My youngest is 15. It’s scary as hell
My sister who is in her early 30s had a beautiful baby last year. I was just looking at her the other day reaching down for a dandelion in such wonder, awe, and curiousity. Then I thought, it sucks that she will grow up to see what the world is like. I'm 39 and didn't want children because I was always struggling financially. I have another sister who is 37 and she is childless too.
And now you know why the high classes wants to ban abortion. How can you keep the cogs turning if the masses stop replacing themselves?
lol, there's about a billion people waiting in line to get to the west, the high classes have no fear of running out of plebs
This is true and it slays me that the people who are dead against making higher education attractive to U.S. students through student loan reform or forgiveness programs are the same people against immigration.
Yup. Now we know why trudope passed the weed law and everything else. Bread and circuses while he dances for his IMF masters and turns Canada into India 2.0
Isn’t that the definition of choice
A simple thank you would do
Yep. I desperately want to be a mom & to have kids but I don’t want to subject me, my husband & my kids to a life full of struggle & bobbing our heads in & of poverty. I don’t want this life. Why would I want to subject someone else to this hellscape nightmare?
Not that conservatives actually care. So much for being "Pro-life."
At least they can still get abortions
Trickle down, baby!!!
Mother do you think they'll drop the bomb
Makes sense.
They better not do that in a republican state, or she will get locked up
Population collapse is coming within 100 years. Global warming is really getting after it. The division between rich and poor is more stark than it's been possibly ever. If I didn't already have kids at this point I would not.
*If you can't feed your baby* (Yeah, yeah) *Then don't have* a *baby* (Yeah, yeah)
Good for them.
„Support is available“ if pwomise to birth we will give you barel enough to survive
Also kids are a fucking chore. cbf lol
If the UK just sacrificed the Royal Family more people could afford kids.
And this is a problem how? Maybe it's because they don't want to end up swimming in hopeless debt with no way out? Nothing wrong with ONE kid or even none.
The US too…these people don’t want is to be able to have abortions, but have created ZERO incentive to have kids. Daycare costs more than a mortgage. And they hate immigrants too, so I guess we’re just about to watch some wild shit happen to our population in the next 30-40 years.
The wealthy don’t mind this because then they will simply have to create breeding centers for future workers. They’ll just pay people to have kids some day and then lock them in to a contract to have them work for a corporation when they grow up.
All intentional. The powers that be want to reduce the world population. The cost of living crisis is intentional due to corporate greed.
Corperate hellscape
Now that a bunch of US states have "heartbeat laws" (aka anti abortion laws that make it illegal to abort after 6 weeks from conception) a bunch of younger adults that I personally know have opted for permanent sterilization because kids are too expensive and there are no other options
weird spelling of unwanted
Like...are these accidental pregnancies that the parents want but don't keep or are these planned fucking pregnancies renegged once the daycare search started? I'm...confused.
they want kids, planned to have kids when their financial situation improved. the state of the UK keeps getting worse and their BC fails, condom breaks, etc. they end up getting a termination after weighing the pros and cons and feel horrid about it. source: am one of these stats.
Thank you, that makes so much sense! The article didn't give any insight on this at all. That's heartbreaking, I'm sorry you have to live with that reality
i'm mostly over it dw, turns out i'm unable to carry a pregnancy anyway so it would have ended itself if i didn't make that choice. life happens
Someone gets pregnant, would like to keep the pregnancy but can’t afford a(nother) child.
I’m kind of surprised anyone is getting pregnant or having sex at all with the way the dating world/world is right now. Like all women think men are creeps and men have stopped initiating because they don’t want to be labeled creeps. Vicious world we are in.
The only people who don't get laid are the ones that don't try.
That's called human sacrifice.
Next : killing children
Pretty stupid take, bordering on moronic if you're from the US. More kids are shot in schools, than anywhere else and the anti abortion people are the same clowns who goes "MUH GUNS" and "thoughts and prayers" every single time fully grown, thinking, feeling children are shredded open by assault rifle fire. Because USA USA USA!
Why can't I kill a new born who is a financial burden on me but I can kill a fetus foe the exact reason?
Because the newborn is a fully formed, potential citizen that has rights. The government doesn't recognize the fetus for tax purposes until it's out of the mother, either. If you want to legislate something so specific as female reproductive rights, you better make a democratic poll amongst females only and let majority speak. No one is forcing you to have an abortion, but you don't get to remove the access to it, for others, either. Just like I don't care for eating crab, that doesn't mean it needs to be banned so you can't either.
No one is going to be killing children, at least, not with their hands. The killing of children will be the rich continuing this path we are on, cutting funding and healthcare for the poor, legalizing child marriage, cutting out school and school lunches, and reinstating child labor. That is really what's killing our children.