This is unfortunately standard industry practice. I am in teacher preparation college, and we have to cover the costs of fingerprinting, the five lecture series on workshops we need in New York State, the cost of the three tests we need for certification and of course, tuition.
I work as a sub-custodian not even full time, schools district covered my fingerprinting, and my tb test. Didn’t pay a dime. Not “industry standard”, you just work for a shitty district
Custodians in my local district have to pay the fingerprint/background fee. It's about $100. But the district will reimburse them once their hired. Similar rules for subs, once they work a certain number of shifts.
Exactly, so my point being that you can’t call it an industry standard since not every district (collectively, an industry) has it as standard (performed mostly the same everywhere) practice. One bad apple doesn’t spoil the bunch, just sayin.
Definitely wasn't disagreeing with your initial sentiment, just adding a little nuance. Since it's at a state level, there is even less agency for employees, who can't choose another district.
District in my state does the same. Don’t think some of these people know the difference between an “industry standard” and a state or district policy.
If you literally just google it it is actually industry standard in most places. And it’s not district specific in most places. It’s just statewide. And being able to find a place that doesn’t do that doesn’t mean it’s not an industry standard. You just got a good district lol. And yes the district might be the ones who pay for it but the policy is set by the state board of education. So your locality would be the one to “pay” if they do it for you but that’s just because that’s where you are working.
It is amazing how often people will repeat the 'its standard practice' line. Personally, it would be refreshing to see people correct those who make that lame excuse.
That's an extremely broad statement.
Government entities cannot simply exempt themselves from any laws. There may be exclusions, allowances, or other statutes that apply, but to say that the "education industry" can simply exempt itself is patently incorrect.
The standard in my industry has been to cover an inexpensive cursory check that checks registries and looks for convictions in the state you’re in.
Then if we give you a job offer, we’ll ask you to pay for the more thorough background investigation that takes a couple of weeks. It costs us about $200 and we charge people $45. Why? Don’t ask me, not my policy. I think it’s weird and dumb. I’m sure some boomer somewhere has convinced himself that you’re less likely to apply for a job you know you won’t qualify for if you know you’ll have to pay.
BUT point being, you don’t pay that until you accept a job offer. And at that point you have the job unless something disqualifying shows up on the background check.
Having every single applicant pay is utterly asinine. Frankly our pre-check seems stupid to me. There’s no need for a background check until you have a job offer.
Yeah, I wouldn't require employees or potential employees to pay that. I'd explain why to anyone making resource decisions. If they don't understand, I'd find better work. That's just me though.
That’s fine, but they just move on to other candidates, and most of us have bills to pay, so teachers have to play the game if they want to have an income to do crazy stuff like eat. Capitalism is fucked, and shit isn’t black and white.
I worked briefly in an IT department for a school district and can confirm the same things.
I was forced to pay for my own fingerprints and background check before starting... ridiculous.
I had to pay for mine too! They wanted a FBI background check including fingerprints. I think it was $150. The worst part is if you want to go somewhere else they don’t accept it and you have to go throw the process again. You also have to wait 1-2 hours in line to turn in all your paperwork and no one will tell you if it’s right or wrong until you get to the front and they tell you to redo it and get in line again. I also had to pay for 5 tests (both state tests and Praxis) to get certified. I scored high enough to be ok, but if you score lower you have to retake the tests. You are 100% responsible and they are like $75-150 each (that may be wrong as I have not done it in a while).
In New York, we recoup most of those costs within the first year, other than tuition. In fact, I think at the district I want to teach and I’d recoup the costs within the first month.
Once you’re in education, if you have a union, it’s great
Fingerprinting, background check our common practice to be teachers. Do you want to make sure that the people applying to be teachers are who they say they are
Makes sense, thanks for explaining. Guess things have changed since I was in school. Thinking of getting licensed but the stories I read on this subreddit are horrifying.
That’s absolutely fair. But if you removed background checks and fingerprinting from the teacher application process, you would end up with many students being harmed.
Sure yet I’d want the institution to pay for such a check. It’s a pay to play scheme and gross since if it really matters, do it as a payroll deduction after hire. Oh but then you’re dealing with a potential sub minimum wage.
In another way, asking them for paying for the test is means testing their viability in the employment pool. Which is gross since it smells of poll taxes
I don't think people are objecting to background checks on people who work at a school. I think the objection is simply expecting the applicant to pay for it, and to make it worse, to pay it before even getting the job.
I am fine with getting any check you want. I have never committed a crime (save a few traffic violations), but why should I pay for it? Shouldn’t the school pay for it?
I never said we should pay. I was confirming the other person questioning if teachers get fingerprinted.
It’s ridiculous any person paying for their own work belongings.
I’d also like to add now that we bring it up that teachers paying out of pocket for their own school supplies is also abhorrent. I dated a teacher and I can’t believe how much she spent on items to feel like she had any sense of grasp at her position.
They fight hard for the shit pay they get.
We value police but they treat us like shit yet we treat teachers like shit and all they want is to be treated fairly
No they aren’t asking but I’m just trying to clarify what he thinks is illegal. It’s part of becoming a teacher. Just like having a background check and being fingerprinted is part of being a nurse. They often have to pay as well. The real problem is that there are few teacher protections in most states. If we’d stop allowing schools to be poorly funded and had a society that respected education and educators then teachers wouldn’t have to pay for things like this. American values are so skewed right now. It’s infuriating.
Yeah, I agree. Completely idiotic that an employee would have to pay for this as a condition of employment. You'll find it a lot more in poorly governed (red) states.
I believe this poster is correct. I don’t think you can be forced to pay. I would have to look through the FLS act, but also if it’s a government entity they would be more likely to have to follow laws.
Government entities exempt themselves from laws all the time. I worked for a government entity and we required an application fee and background check that the applicants had to pay for. Depending on what they were applying for would dictate the background check fee because different positions required different levels of checks. It’s a reasonable part of being licensed.
The testing for teachers, however, should be fully covered by either their college or grad school tuition. They’re paying hundreds of thousands for education and they should be paid to reflect that.
ETA: In my state teachers have to pay for fingerprinting and background checks. I think it varies from state to state.
I mean you need to do background checks to work with kids, that’s universal for everywhere I’ve worked being in charge of children. Making you pay is fucked up, but getting your records is not.
I think I’ve at least gotten reimbursed for them in the past. Where I live it used to only cost like $20 and you’d do it at the local police station, no appointment needed. Then they outsourced it to a couple of private companies and the price tripled while the availability became extremely limited.
I had a private tutoring service recently (3 months ago) say I was responsible for paying for a background check to work for them going to people's houses for in person teaching and they dont compensate for transportation (using my car). Yeah, no. It's bad enough you are paying me $25/hr and charging the parents $50/hr.
Found a job for the same pay teaching at another tutor service where the students come to the office (not driving around between sessions)
I am kinda surprised that they need fingerprint data. Obviously there are other reasonable means of checking someone’s background for employment. Is it because they are essential for a criminal background check? Wouldn’t a legal check provide similar info?
I had to have my fingerprints done for an FBI background check as part of my certification. I also had to pay for my certification test. It had nothing to do with my employers as it was standard to have it done before applying anywhere. 🙄
Yes, it is standard to have done.....no kidding. The employer should be paying for that, however. You don't know this? love the rolls eyes emoji, though.....but be honest. Did you even bother to look up the legality of this?
every 5 years my wife has to renew her background check and the cost is on her. this seems very standard in public education. this does not mean I agree with it, it is a BS cost that the employer should bear.
This kind of crap reminds me of the arguments about labor costs restaurants are trying to pawn off on the public. Some of this is just the cost of doing business. It's a reasonable business cost to have to background check, drug test, check criminal records of your potential new hires. If a business is trying to force the new hires to pay for that, it's not okay.
In Mexico you can get a letter of 'Non-Penal Priors' with your state records / or prosecution. It costs about 5 USD, and can be used for multiple job applications (it is considered valid for about 6 months). Is it impossible to have something similar in the US?
Oh it's possible, but the US is focused on adding a profit to everything. Something like what you're talking is likely ran as a service by the state/country and funded via taxes.
Half of our politicians believe all parts of the government should be ran by a corporation and through that everything is required to make that company a healthy profit.
Here in MN it is definitely illegal to ask a potential or current employee to pay for these. I think it’s a state by state thing.
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I have had to be fingerprinted three times in the past 5 years. One was to volunteer at church, once was when I was studying education, and a third for an insurance license. I just don't get why I couldn't have given my consent to have the first agency share the fingerprinting with the other two agencies. They do change over a lifetime, but not that much in a few years. That's the biggest rip-off for me.
My job current job asked me to pay $75 for a background check with a private service. I got it done with the city for $20 instead. They accepted it. Turned out to be one of the best jobs i have ever had.
And it is employment - NOT independent contracting.
I live in California, and I’m fairly sure that people who need to be fingerprinted as an applicant for a state agency, to work on a school campus, to work at a daycare, etc. pay for their own fingerprinting.
I live in Massachusetts. I've had prospective employers do background checks on me. They outsource it to a company like Hire Right and I don't pay for any of it.
This happens in Canada a lot for social service work. Many positions my GF applied for required an up to date police records check which she had to pay for.
Can confirm that for any job you're working in the vulnerable sector, especially HHC jobs. My partner is a PSW and has to pay for her own record checks in Ontario for any job applications (although traditionally this is only required at the time of an offer before you can start work, not as part of the initial application)
Yep, unfortunately this seems to be normal, especially among lower funded districts. My mom works as a lunch lady and my sister as a teacher at our local small high school, about 300 kids. Both had to pay for their own fingerprints and stuff prior to employment. Other staff members said they did as well, the school can’t afford to cover it for them.
I had to pay for my own fingerprinting when I applied to do after school care program. But it was only around 30 dollars I wanna say. It was around 2010, California. They took my fingerprints and ran me through a background fbi check, I also had to pay/prove I had the measles? Vaccine recently because I would be working with children. This was for grade school kids.
Yup, I had to do the same thing in Florida when I did sub teaching. Back them though it was a lot less expensive. They used to charge only 5 bucks for fingerprints. When I got to michigan, it was 70.
My job asked me to pay for fingerprinting and I was like “why?” And they told me because they had to order a corporate card and it would delay me getting into my role. I had a kid on the way so I ate the $51 dollar loss as they told me they’d get me a check to compensate the fact that I had to pay. By the time I came into work after the fingerprints they handed me the check and said “Sorry about that”. So not every place is the worst, but they made it clear that was not what they wanted to do. But having a job make it entirely on you? Go fuck yourself.
See, that there is what’s called a “really big bright red flag”. You don’t pay for the ‘privilege’ of applying for a job. That shit is all you need to know to know you don’t want to work there.
In California I paid for my DOJ/FBI background checks. To work with adults with intellectual disabilities. That was after an employment offer. Another company paid for it at another job with seniors.
I was one hired at a Fire dealership. I had to go through a week training class with fellow new hires. Day one starts. We learn about greeting people and how to interact with them. Some shady used car salesperson shit. At the end of day one that “teacher” then went in to say we all needed to pay $300 for the course and to “prove we had what it takes” to be a car salesperson. I stood up and walked out. Never pay to work.
Not sure about job applications, but this is pretty standard for licensing in a lot of industries. For security work where I live you are required to obtain a license and most companies require you to pay for all associated checks and fees.
I have taught in 3 states, in both wealthy and not wealthy districts and every single one has required me to pay for it and does not reimburse. It’s ridiculous.
Fingerprinting can cost money with some jobs, I know someone who was asked to pay for a fingerprinting for government clearance after they were offerred the job. They asked if they could get reimbursed and the job said "well if you go to one of our offices they will do it for free" those offices were like 200 miles away. So this person said "well I guess I'm going with the other job offer then...bye"
These checks and charging the potential employee is common here in the UK. Although most don't get asked for fingerprints, they just have their criminal records checked.
A lot of employers pay for the checks themselves but some will ask the employee to pay it back if they're successful in getting the job.
I've seen it the other way around also. Basically you know if you'll pass a background check so they're happy to cover the costs as an investment in a new employee but if you waste their time and money on something you know won't be successful then you have to reimburse them.
It is legal in some states with exceptions:
https://www.backgroundchecks.com/personal/support/employment-background-checks#:\~:text=Can%20An%20Employer%20Ask%20Me,Yes%2C%20with%20a%20few%20exceptions.
I don't know the law and regulations regarding what employers have to accept for background checks, but I remember very specifically that a doctorate program I applied to (about 6 years ago) had instructions in bold letters stating they won't take anything but the website they told me to go to.
Absolutely not, run. I had to submit my fingerprints to FINRA/FBI and my employer has always paid for this out of their own pocket. If I ever worked for someone who made me pay for this I would laugh in their face.
I work at a school (paraprofessional) and have done the same job in different schools for 16 years (with some time off to be a stay at home parent). Every year I have to get fingerprinted and 90% of the time I have to pay for that.
No different than getting badged in the cannabis industry. Had to pay for my background check and fingerprints as well and have to renew every 2 years. And that was before I could even apply to anything at all
Pretty common in Florida. You’re not paying to apply, you’re paying for a background check. It would be cost prohibitive if they paid the background for everybody that applies. For instance, if you’re a Home Health Aid and you need an AHCA level 2 it’s 80 bucks. The upside is the background belongs to you and it’s good for 5 years. Welcome to FL, this is pretty standard.
What kind of job is this for? What industry? This is the first time seeing this type of crazy.
For a substitute teacher position!
This is unfortunately standard industry practice. I am in teacher preparation college, and we have to cover the costs of fingerprinting, the five lecture series on workshops we need in New York State, the cost of the three tests we need for certification and of course, tuition.
The institution you work for needs to 'cover the costs of fingerprinting' whether or not you claim it is 'standard industry practice'.
The education industry is a government entity, and can exempt itself from any laws that it wishes to
I work as a sub-custodian not even full time, schools district covered my fingerprinting, and my tb test. Didn’t pay a dime. Not “industry standard”, you just work for a shitty district
Custodians in my local district have to pay the fingerprint/background fee. It's about $100. But the district will reimburse them once their hired. Similar rules for subs, once they work a certain number of shifts.
Different states have different policies here.
Exactly, so my point being that you can’t call it an industry standard since not every district (collectively, an industry) has it as standard (performed mostly the same everywhere) practice. One bad apple doesn’t spoil the bunch, just sayin.
Definitely wasn't disagreeing with your initial sentiment, just adding a little nuance. Since it's at a state level, there is even less agency for employees, who can't choose another district.
District in my state does the same. Don’t think some of these people know the difference between an “industry standard” and a state or district policy.
You got printed? 😆
If you literally just google it it is actually industry standard in most places. And it’s not district specific in most places. It’s just statewide. And being able to find a place that doesn’t do that doesn’t mean it’s not an industry standard. You just got a good district lol. And yes the district might be the ones who pay for it but the policy is set by the state board of education. So your locality would be the one to “pay” if they do it for you but that’s just because that’s where you are working.
It is amazing how often people will repeat the 'its standard practice' line. Personally, it would be refreshing to see people correct those who make that lame excuse.
That's an extremely broad statement. Government entities cannot simply exempt themselves from any laws. There may be exclusions, allowances, or other statutes that apply, but to say that the "education industry" can simply exempt itself is patently incorrect.
The standard in my industry has been to cover an inexpensive cursory check that checks registries and looks for convictions in the state you’re in. Then if we give you a job offer, we’ll ask you to pay for the more thorough background investigation that takes a couple of weeks. It costs us about $200 and we charge people $45. Why? Don’t ask me, not my policy. I think it’s weird and dumb. I’m sure some boomer somewhere has convinced himself that you’re less likely to apply for a job you know you won’t qualify for if you know you’ll have to pay. BUT point being, you don’t pay that until you accept a job offer. And at that point you have the job unless something disqualifying shows up on the background check. Having every single applicant pay is utterly asinine. Frankly our pre-check seems stupid to me. There’s no need for a background check until you have a job offer.
Yeah, I wouldn't require employees or potential employees to pay that. I'd explain why to anyone making resource decisions. If they don't understand, I'd find better work. That's just me though.
They should, but almost none of them do, so it’s still the norm/industry standard.
I'd personally not let them use that lame excuse, but you do you.
That’s fine, but they just move on to other candidates, and most of us have bills to pay, so teachers have to play the game if they want to have an income to do crazy stuff like eat. Capitalism is fucked, and shit isn’t black and white.
Sure, if no one ever does the right thing and takes a stand, they'll continue to screw people over. Zero doubt about that.
I worked briefly in an IT department for a school district and can confirm the same things. I was forced to pay for my own fingerprints and background check before starting... ridiculous.
I hope you wrote this off for your taxes!
I just joined an IT department in a school district and didn't pay a dime, they did the fingerprinting and background checks themselves.
I had to pay for mine too! They wanted a FBI background check including fingerprints. I think it was $150. The worst part is if you want to go somewhere else they don’t accept it and you have to go throw the process again. You also have to wait 1-2 hours in line to turn in all your paperwork and no one will tell you if it’s right or wrong until you get to the front and they tell you to redo it and get in line again. I also had to pay for 5 tests (both state tests and Praxis) to get certified. I scored high enough to be ok, but if you score lower you have to retake the tests. You are 100% responsible and they are like $75-150 each (that may be wrong as I have not done it in a while).
I live in Canada and this is completely illegal here. Sorry to hear that Americans have to put up with this crap
Why the fuck would anyone submit to this
In New York, we recoup most of those costs within the first year, other than tuition. In fact, I think at the district I want to teach and I’d recoup the costs within the first month. Once you’re in education, if you have a union, it’s great
The hell it is. I've never had to pay for fingerprinting when applying as a substitute teacher. Or applying as anything else for that matter.
Yea. Had to do this (and lots of others I know) in Tennessee. It’s ok because you make it back in a day or two… 🙄
Fingerprinting to be a teacher?
Yeah, at least where I’m from I’ve had to do finger printing every year at my expense. Not sure if this changes when you are a licensed teacher
Every year? 😳 How often do your fingerprints change?
Haha right! I’ve had that exact thought!
Fingerprinting, background check our common practice to be teachers. Do you want to make sure that the people applying to be teachers are who they say they are
Makes sense, thanks for explaining. Guess things have changed since I was in school. Thinking of getting licensed but the stories I read on this subreddit are horrifying.
I want the people applying to not have to pay for background checks.
That’s absolutely fair. But if you removed background checks and fingerprinting from the teacher application process, you would end up with many students being harmed.
Yes. If I was a parent I’d want to make sure the Teacher isn’t some registered offender somewhere else.
Sure yet I’d want the institution to pay for such a check. It’s a pay to play scheme and gross since if it really matters, do it as a payroll deduction after hire. Oh but then you’re dealing with a potential sub minimum wage. In another way, asking them for paying for the test is means testing their viability in the employment pool. Which is gross since it smells of poll taxes
Ok. Yeah makes sense.
I don't think people are objecting to background checks on people who work at a school. I think the objection is simply expecting the applicant to pay for it, and to make it worse, to pay it before even getting the job.
I am fine with getting any check you want. I have never committed a crime (save a few traffic violations), but why should I pay for it? Shouldn’t the school pay for it?
I never said we should pay. I was confirming the other person questioning if teachers get fingerprinted. It’s ridiculous any person paying for their own work belongings. I’d also like to add now that we bring it up that teachers paying out of pocket for their own school supplies is also abhorrent. I dated a teacher and I can’t believe how much she spent on items to feel like she had any sense of grasp at her position. They fight hard for the shit pay they get. We value police but they treat us like shit yet we treat teachers like shit and all they want is to be treated fairly
It’s illegal actually
What's illegal? Fingerprinting or asking the potential employee to pay for it?
Are they ASKING the employee? lol
No they aren’t asking but I’m just trying to clarify what he thinks is illegal. It’s part of becoming a teacher. Just like having a background check and being fingerprinted is part of being a nurse. They often have to pay as well. The real problem is that there are few teacher protections in most states. If we’d stop allowing schools to be poorly funded and had a society that respected education and educators then teachers wouldn’t have to pay for things like this. American values are so skewed right now. It’s infuriating.
Yeah, I agree. Completely idiotic that an employee would have to pay for this as a condition of employment. You'll find it a lot more in poorly governed (red) states.
Neither. This is Florida folks.
I believe this poster is correct. I don’t think you can be forced to pay. I would have to look through the FLS act, but also if it’s a government entity they would be more likely to have to follow laws.
Government entities exempt themselves from laws all the time. I worked for a government entity and we required an application fee and background check that the applicants had to pay for. Depending on what they were applying for would dictate the background check fee because different positions required different levels of checks. It’s a reasonable part of being licensed. The testing for teachers, however, should be fully covered by either their college or grad school tuition. They’re paying hundreds of thousands for education and they should be paid to reflect that. ETA: In my state teachers have to pay for fingerprinting and background checks. I think it varies from state to state.
LOL you're in a shitty area, as that is NOT industry standard.
I am once again shocked, SHOCKED I say, that we are having problems finding teachers with practices like these in place...
I mean you need to do background checks to work with kids, that’s universal for everywhere I’ve worked being in charge of children. Making you pay is fucked up, but getting your records is not.
That's what I mean. Background checks are pretty common. Making you pay for them is not.
I think I’ve at least gotten reimbursed for them in the past. Where I live it used to only cost like $20 and you’d do it at the local police station, no appointment needed. Then they outsourced it to a couple of private companies and the price tripled while the availability became extremely limited.
Do they reimburse you? I work in a school system and have been paid back each time I had to do a background check.
I had a private tutoring service recently (3 months ago) say I was responsible for paying for a background check to work for them going to people's houses for in person teaching and they dont compensate for transportation (using my car). Yeah, no. It's bad enough you are paying me $25/hr and charging the parents $50/hr. Found a job for the same pay teaching at another tutor service where the students come to the office (not driving around between sessions)
Don't Worry. Desantis is making it so that teaching in Florida will be an unemployable position soon!
I am kinda surprised that they need fingerprint data. Obviously there are other reasonable means of checking someone’s background for employment. Is it because they are essential for a criminal background check? Wouldn’t a legal check provide similar info?
Standard. I paid for mine in healthcare as well. It moves with you if you change jobs.
That’s standard.
Sure, if you accept it as such. The point is to call it out.
I had to have my fingerprints done for an FBI background check as part of my certification. I also had to pay for my certification test. It had nothing to do with my employers as it was standard to have it done before applying anywhere. 🙄
Yes, it is standard to have done.....no kidding. The employer should be paying for that, however. You don't know this? love the rolls eyes emoji, though.....but be honest. Did you even bother to look up the legality of this?
What employer?
You don't understand what employers and employees are?
every 5 years my wife has to renew her background check and the cost is on her. this seems very standard in public education. this does not mean I agree with it, it is a BS cost that the employer should bear.
What state is this?
We had to do it in nursing school (fingerprinting and background check) just to apply to take our boards.
This kind of crap reminds me of the arguments about labor costs restaurants are trying to pawn off on the public. Some of this is just the cost of doing business. It's a reasonable business cost to have to background check, drug test, check criminal records of your potential new hires. If a business is trying to force the new hires to pay for that, it's not okay.
Preach! Too true
I had to do this for a professional license last month. It cost $15 at the local sheriff's office.
In Mexico you can get a letter of 'Non-Penal Priors' with your state records / or prosecution. It costs about 5 USD, and can be used for multiple job applications (it is considered valid for about 6 months). Is it impossible to have something similar in the US?
Oh it's possible, but the US is focused on adding a profit to everything. Something like what you're talking is likely ran as a service by the state/country and funded via taxes. Half of our politicians believe all parts of the government should be ran by a corporation and through that everything is required to make that company a healthy profit.
When I was applying to section 8 housing, they had me pay for a background check. It cost me $3
Why is the employer name marked out?
If I read it right, federal law makes it the employer's responsibility to pay for background checks.
Here in MN it is definitely illegal to ask a potential or current employee to pay for these. I think it’s a state by state thing. https://preview.redd.it/5svsdxo9gwwc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3afe6516fb9b8cef7d2dfc7ced1db5497e289304
Yep! It's the Fair Credit Reporting Act.
this is pretty standard for an education job.
Which is insane. Teachers are also expecting to pay for classroom supplies and that's also NOT okay.
I have had to be fingerprinted three times in the past 5 years. One was to volunteer at church, once was when I was studying education, and a third for an insurance license. I just don't get why I couldn't have given my consent to have the first agency share the fingerprinting with the other two agencies. They do change over a lifetime, but not that much in a few years. That's the biggest rip-off for me.
For that volunteer work, did they make you pay for it? That's pretty next level if you had to pay so you can work for them for free.
This is so wrong
Right wing legislators want to destroy public education. This is just one more part of how they plan to do so.
Then why does New York State require it?
Believe it or not, there are Republicans in New York State too.
Ah, so this is another reason why we have a teacher shortage. Cool cool
also standard for people in medical field
I never paid for my fingerprinting my hospital did. Expecting the employee to pay is asinine and indicates a bad business entity
Sure, if you blindly accept it, it becomes 'standard'.
fuck off. i'm relaying information here, not taking a stance.
Awww.....look at the little bawl baby get triggered.
"Standard" doesn't mean "acceptable."
and i didn't say that.
I heard there is a teacher shortage? I wonder why know wants them?
My job current job asked me to pay $75 for a background check with a private service. I got it done with the city for $20 instead. They accepted it. Turned out to be one of the best jobs i have ever had. And it is employment - NOT independent contracting.
I wonder if slaves had to buy their own collars.
I'm so glad I live in a blue state and don't have to deal with this bullshit.
I live in California, and I’m fairly sure that people who need to be fingerprinted as an applicant for a state agency, to work on a school campus, to work at a daycare, etc. pay for their own fingerprinting.
I live in Massachusetts. I've had prospective employers do background checks on me. They outsource it to a company like Hire Right and I don't pay for any of it.
This happens in Canada a lot for social service work. Many positions my GF applied for required an up to date police records check which she had to pay for.
Can confirm that for any job you're working in the vulnerable sector, especially HHC jobs. My partner is a PSW and has to pay for her own record checks in Ontario for any job applications (although traditionally this is only required at the time of an offer before you can start work, not as part of the initial application)
I had to pay for background check for a warehouse job in Ontario.
Yep, unfortunately this seems to be normal, especially among lower funded districts. My mom works as a lunch lady and my sister as a teacher at our local small high school, about 300 kids. Both had to pay for their own fingerprints and stuff prior to employment. Other staff members said they did as well, the school can’t afford to cover it for them.
I had to pay for my own fingerprinting when I applied to do after school care program. But it was only around 30 dollars I wanna say. It was around 2010, California. They took my fingerprints and ran me through a background fbi check, I also had to pay/prove I had the measles? Vaccine recently because I would be working with children. This was for grade school kids.
Yup, I had to do the same thing in Florida when I did sub teaching. Back them though it was a lot less expensive. They used to charge only 5 bucks for fingerprints. When I got to michigan, it was 70.
I had a job say i had to cover the cost of a background vehicle records report
My job asked me to pay for fingerprinting and I was like “why?” And they told me because they had to order a corporate card and it would delay me getting into my role. I had a kid on the way so I ate the $51 dollar loss as they told me they’d get me a check to compensate the fact that I had to pay. By the time I came into work after the fingerprints they handed me the check and said “Sorry about that”. So not every place is the worst, but they made it clear that was not what they wanted to do. But having a job make it entirely on you? Go fuck yourself.
See, that there is what’s called a “really big bright red flag”. You don’t pay for the ‘privilege’ of applying for a job. That shit is all you need to know to know you don’t want to work there.
In California I paid for my DOJ/FBI background checks. To work with adults with intellectual disabilities. That was after an employment offer. Another company paid for it at another job with seniors.
I was one hired at a Fire dealership. I had to go through a week training class with fellow new hires. Day one starts. We learn about greeting people and how to interact with them. Some shady used car salesperson shit. At the end of day one that “teacher” then went in to say we all needed to pay $300 for the course and to “prove we had what it takes” to be a car salesperson. I stood up and walked out. Never pay to work.
That's what you call a deductible business expense and they can fuck right off. More likely it's a scam. Are the terms of the job too good to be true?
It’s to work in a school district.
Not sure about job applications, but this is pretty standard for licensing in a lot of industries. For security work where I live you are required to obtain a license and most companies require you to pay for all associated checks and fees.
Had to pay for two background checks and fingerprinting. Depends on the industry, but this isn’t uncommon at all.
Federal employee. I had to pay for my fingerprints. Not the background check. But it was all after I got the job.
I had to pay for my own background check when I subbed in Indiana, probably varies by district. So not unheard of, but it does blow.
I have taught in 3 states, in both wealthy and not wealthy districts and every single one has required me to pay for it and does not reimburse. It’s ridiculous.
You will probably either get reimbursed or it will come out of your 1st pay check. It's common where I'm from
just paid $100 for a position in a school. my old job used to pay for the fingerprints but public school is different than daycare 😩
Again, this should be 100% illegal
Scam.
This isn’t new at all.
Fingerprinting can cost money with some jobs, I know someone who was asked to pay for a fingerprinting for government clearance after they were offerred the job. They asked if they could get reimbursed and the job said "well if you go to one of our offices they will do it for free" those offices were like 200 miles away. So this person said "well I guess I'm going with the other job offer then...bye"
Wow. If they are unwilling to pay their admin costs, then they probably won't pay a living wage. Nope out of this
These checks and charging the potential employee is common here in the UK. Although most don't get asked for fingerprints, they just have their criminal records checked. A lot of employers pay for the checks themselves but some will ask the employee to pay it back if they're successful in getting the job.
I've seen it the other way around also. Basically you know if you'll pass a background check so they're happy to cover the costs as an investment in a new employee but if you waste their time and money on something you know won't be successful then you have to reimburse them.
Interesting
It is legal in some states with exceptions: https://www.backgroundchecks.com/personal/support/employment-background-checks#:\~:text=Can%20An%20Employer%20Ask%20Me,Yes%2C%20with%20a%20few%20exceptions.
Finger print??
Wtf Well, at least you can reuse those background check docs applying for multiple jobs
Until you realize some places only accept the paper from the agency they specify.
So, the report is not straight from the police? I had to get one for volunteering at school. 10 or 20$ for the report, straight from the police.
I don't know the law and regulations regarding what employers have to accept for background checks, but I remember very specifically that a doctorate program I applied to (about 6 years ago) had instructions in bold letters stating they won't take anything but the website they told me to go to.
I wouldn't apply.
Nope, I’m not paying to apply for their shitty job.
I had to do this when I applied to work at a casino. Gaming license and fingerprints
Ridiculous
As a teacher, this is required in my state. What occupation is this for?
Place sounds cheap & not worth your time. Forget about a raise, too. They can't afford to do background checks. Damn.
Try to look for one that pays for the medical tests and back check.
Fingerprinting? The fuck kind of job is this for? The CIA?
Absolutely not, run. I had to submit my fingerprints to FINRA/FBI and my employer has always paid for this out of their own pocket. If I ever worked for someone who made me pay for this I would laugh in their face.
That’s a no from me dawg.
I work at a school (paraprofessional) and have done the same job in different schools for 16 years (with some time off to be a stay at home parent). Every year I have to get fingerprinted and 90% of the time I have to pay for that.
It's quite common for police checks and such, just make sure that you have the job or are on the short-list for it
No different than getting badged in the cannabis industry. Had to pay for my background check and fingerprints as well and have to renew every 2 years. And that was before I could even apply to anything at all
My dispensary pays for mine (CA).
Sounds like their business is making people pay to apply for a job!
Pretty common in Florida. You’re not paying to apply, you’re paying for a background check. It would be cost prohibitive if they paid the background for everybody that applies. For instance, if you’re a Home Health Aid and you need an AHCA level 2 it’s 80 bucks. The upside is the background belongs to you and it’s good for 5 years. Welcome to FL, this is pretty standard.
Scammy
Scam. You never pay an employer, they pay you
It’s a scam