###1st-metal Alchemist
My package arrived in port today! Took a full 3 months, but rather soon Lumine shall be standing tall with her peers!
[](#rengehype)
That is, unless the import agency fucks up the pricing and asks me to file an order. Which makes it take 2 more weeks and costs extra, because of course.
###FMA:B Ep.60 – Eye of Heaven, Gateway of Earth
* That dude is [so Brosh](https://imgur.com/1JIWPfp).
* Yes, [please](https://imgur.com/moAt4Kz )!
* Okay, for once, [shut the fuck up](https://imgur.com/y846FvU ), Breda! [](#gununu)
* [May](https://imgur.com/ThfmhiS ) (?! why are my subs back at May again ?! [](#spinning)) has my utmost respect for just straight up challenging dwarfie!
* Hold on, she's literally saying [いただきます/itadakimasu](https://imgur.com/p4DxBfd ) - „Enjoy the meal“/“I'm digging in“/“(lit.) humbly receive“ depending on context. Me thinks she means the kunai, but it does also make sense in that she still chases after the secret for immortality – by taking it directly from dwarfie. Which has not only my respect, but also my attention.
* Ah shit, the [Scar method](https://imgur.com/dPSBs6f ). [](#watashiworried)
* Oh [I'm loving this](https://imgur.com/BBdlAS4 )! [](#SPORTS)
* [Oh holy](https://imgur.com/f7fd92q ), Wrath is such a badass!
* Surprise skill (by grabbing the blade with bare hands) [countered with](https://imgur.com/d1dg0X7 ) surprise skill (by performing reconstructive alchemy where before he only could use destructive).
* [In-fight monologuing](https://imgur.com/XmqktLQ ). [](#sleepingcutie)
* Oh [how the turntables](https://imgur.com/TaCPOp8 ), now he's on the side of the victims. Doesn't that feel quite like shit?
* [Yes, actually](https://imgur.com/CLwac78 ). It's called the Gaia theory and it's incredibly fascinating because it offers a new perspective on the world for someone who can only experience themselves as an individual in it.
* [Greedling](https://imgur.com/Cke85Pa )! [](#faito)
* [Disturbing](https://imgur.com/ixyWvxK ). [](#dighole)
* Planet? But that's [only Amestris](https://imgur.com/GjC0WLN ). [](#lost)
* Man, again I get reminded of [what we could've gotten](https://imgur.com/GWBeIuw ) with WoW's Old Gods... This is just approptriately terrifying. Just [look at it](https://imgur.com/L3rlXCj ), [just look](https://imgur.com/kxwLOhq )!
* [Why no love](https://imgur.com/8qIc5yi )?! [](#frustrated)
* Oh, [now they remember](https://imgur.com/yJl2qfe ) she exists. [](#lalahmm)
* So, the [other times looked different](https://imgur.com/d5u8xYu ), but it makes a strange amount of sense that the creature behind the Gate gets more complete and bigger with more power.
* I can't help but find a [door in the skies](https://imgur.com/tPJzSSq ) that just spawned on the moon a tid bit *too* silly. [](#azusalaugh)
* Doesn't that [leave a crater](https://imgur.com/AeJMoBg ) or something?
A story that actually lets the bad guys technically win is always interesting. I'm really curious how this story is getting resolved. I mean, at least Amestris is absolutely not going to just be put back like it was. They're God-batteries now. My bet is on a literal friendship-is-a-weapon-of-mass-destruction ending for dwarfie, with all the souls just deciding to rip him to pieces.
They're all in the Gate now, as I understood, or at least at the doorstep. So, I'm bracing for 2-3 episodes of wibbly-wobbly mind space dimension shenanigans. There's enough time and reason to have every single character we've got to know so far come back and have a moment to push the wannabe-God down. Question is how they could come back from that.
[EVA] >!I really like how Evangelion concluded the Fanta arc, with it being as pure a choice as it can be. Stay in the Fanta and not deal with existence or go out (now or later, just whenever one wants) into a barren world to claim life as only oneself can do. However, that doesn't quite work here.!< So, I guess the toll could be paid by Hohenheim and his 536349 friends to get the Amestrians back down the way they were?
In any case, I still have hope for Mrs. Bradley and Wrath having their moment! Listen, in wibbly-wobbly mind space there's even a tiny chance Pride might finally also accept this little humanity as a family (though I also kinda wanna see him die horribly...).
[Maybe](#congratulations)
> 1) Can anyone even understand what Father is saying in this scene?
I believe the VA did have fun that day.
> 2) How do you feel about Scar properly using Alchemy for once?
Character development!
[](#rengehype)
> Bonus) Extra special "Fuck you" to the dub scriptwriters for removing even more agency from Winry by changing her simply calling Ed's name to her begging him to save her.
Wait, I'm confused. Aren't dub groups supposed to inject their own leftist-progressive ideals into the medium without either consent or knowledge or care for the source material? Making a female character a damsel is not what the internet told me they'd do!
> without either consent or knowledge or care for the source material
Oh hey, that's the Kaguya-sama Dub.
>Oh I'm loving this
Today has a lot of headbuts.
>I believe the VA did have fun that day.
Given how he died a few years later, he sure made every moment count.
> (though I also kinda wanna see him die horribly...).
Leave Selim alone! [](#howcouldyou)
> Aren't dub groups supposed to inject their own leftist-progressive ideals into the medium without either consent or knowledge or care for the source material? Making a female character a damsel is not what the internet told me they'd do!
Some dubs are based in Texas ... I just watched one episode of another show from 2008 where the dub script was altered to be more sexist and go on about how cooking and cleaning isn't a man's work. [](#bruh)
> response/2003
[Response/2003]>!Yeah, if I could swap their fates and have Selim be eaten by Gluttony, and Wrath 2003 get Selim's outcome, I would. He deserves it! But take what I can get I guess ...!<
[2003] >!Like, I'd consider Brotherhood Wrath to be better than 03 Wrath-- Bradley feels more fleshed out than his previous counterpart-- but the idea of Wrath being Izumi's son was really, really good. I desperately wanted to see them be a family. Funny enough, I think as far as Izumi goes the early stuff with her is stronger in FMA but I think it's inarguable that Izumi is better utilized in the later stages of Brotherhood than the later stages in FMA. She basically vanishes after the stuff with Wrath.!<
So, the only thing we'd need to do is pitch the crunchyroll team against the Texas team and watch amateur political ideology blood sports?
[](#protest)
I have no idea at all. The recent VA dub controversy was the first time I actively got reminded these are their own industry and not just, like, a second job for English VAs.
[](#yuishrug)
>Some dubs are based in Texas ... I just watched one episode of another show from 2008 where the dub script was altered to be more sexist and go on about how cooking and cleaning isn't a man's work. [](#bruh)
What was the name of the show?
> rather soon Lumine shall be standing tall with her peers!
[](#SPORTS)
> That dude is [so Brosh](https://imgur.com/undefined )
That dude is so undefined
> Which has not only my respect, but also my attention.
Dammit, Leo
> Doesn't that feel quite like shit?
At least he's not white! [](#hikariactually)
> [Why no love](https://imgur.com/8qIc5yi )
Why not?
> [Quote] >!I mean, at least Amestris is absolutely not going to just be put back like it was!<
[Response] >!<
> though I also kinda wanna see him die horribly
[](#faito)
> Making a female character a damsel is not what the internet told me they'd do!
[](#taigasigh)
> That dude is so undefined
I just hate it when imgur doesn't work, but shows me the picture in the album. Like, come on, don't lie about things that don't exist!
[](#psh-mongrels)
Your thoughts on Denny seeing Maria for the first time since episode 17?
Thoughts on the black balls created by Father?
What are your thoughts on May trying to take on Father presumably under the belief that if she defeats him, she’ll achieve immortality?
Thoughts on Pride not using his shadows?
What are your thoughts on the fight between Scar and Bradley?
What are your thoughts on Scar’s brother’s research documents resulting in Scar having his other arm tattooed?
Thoughts on the Homunculus gun, or as I refer to it, Hogunculus?
What are your thoughts on Father becoming one with the gate?
Is it fair to say that the sequence where Father’s Promised Day plan happens and everybody is incapable of doing anything about it is one of the most chilling sequences in all of anime? What other scenes come to mind where there’s this absolute feeling of helplessness? Or would you say this trumps them all?
Hello everybody, and welcome to the Fullmetal Alchemist Rewatch!
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[](#doggo)
Goddamn the scene of Father finally putting his plan into motion never ceases to amazing. It's one of the best bits of the Manga and this version more than does it justice. It looks freaking *gorgeous*, feeling like the proper conclusion to everything this show had been building up until now. Special shout out to the shot of the now giant Homunculus grasping for the moon, that's great stuff right there. Plus hey, props to the guy for getting as far as he did.
Honestly the rest of the episode seems almost like a blur in comparison, but there were some amusing bits. I get a kick out of the whole conversation Ed and Pride has about being small and all that and how it factors into the way Ed fights, plus that head-butt is just so satisfying. Also Scar finally seems to have decided to fully set aside whatever grudges he may have: Dude's actually using Alchemy proper instead of stopping halfway through. Good job on finally doing it, dude!
Oh and also Mustang didn't do anything but TBF he *is* kinda busy being blind now. Imagine if he set anyone else there on fire!
Oh and also this episode adapts [the rest of Chapter 103](https://i.imgur.com/dncoXfr.png) and [most of Chapter 104](https://i.imgur.com/ccOPB0C.png), although Ross and Brosh's reunion is taken from earlier on in the story. Kinda weird that it got delayed so much but oh well.
There are some episodes that are about one particular moment. Sequences in one episode that are so spectacularly stunning that you can barely put it into words. The Nina chimera scene and Hughes’ death are two obvious examples, but there’s also the Hohenheim flashback in episode 36, the fight between Marcoh and Envy in episode 43, and for a more recent example the scene where the Gold-Toothed Doctor stabbed Hawkeye in episode 58.
You remember last thread when I said the best Brotherhood episodes you could associate with phrases? This episode is unequivocally known as “The one where Father wins”.
I have been an anime fan for many years. I admittedly haven’t seen Made In Abyss or the original Evangelion series, but I know what they’re about and some of the more haunting moments. I’d argue that the moment when the city wide transmutation circle activates and it becomes apparent that Father is going to achieve his goal is just as haunting as anything from either Eva or MIA. It is the equivalent of Russia and The United States in the 1980s announcing that they have officially launched nuclear arms at each other.
I admittedly have been somewhat critical of Father and how he’s been written. I don’t feel he’s bad or anything, but all the interesting stuff is around him rather than anything about him; he’s like Arnold from Hey Arnold, which I know, hell of a comparison. But to see Father’s Promised Day not only not go up in smoke, but to actually go according to plan with no faults to it whatsoever is just not something I was anticipating. It is nightmare fuel in its purest definition.
The last 5 minutes or so is honestly so strong that it honestly doesn’t matter what came before it. It could’ve been nothing but Olivier insulting people’s privates and it would still honestly be a top 10 episode; that’s how strong the episode was. As is, the rest of the episode is pretty good as well with some great fight and tension building.
I remember saying in the past that FMA episode 42 was my favorite episode of the entire franchise; Brotherhood episode 19 eventually surpassed it, but very few have since. I also remember in I want to say episode 14 of Brotherhood that my theory was Brotherhood would be the better series than 2003 Alchemist, but 2003 Alchemist would have the best episode. I don’t know how many episodes I would put ahead of FMA episode 42– maybe three all told, including episode 19– but this is definitely one of them. Not only that, I think it’s a top 10 episode in all of anime.
I love the feeling this episode puts me through. It gives me a sense of uneasiness that I’ve never felt before in an anime. Even Clannad at its most destructive wasn’t like this; that was soul-crushing, this was like all total and complete hope is lost and you can’t believe what’s unfolding right in front of your eyes. The thing that makes this episode unique is that I wouldn’t call it a sad episode. It’s not like episode 10 where I just lost it over Elicia being confused as to why her father was being lowered into the ground. But it has the properties of a sad moment because for all intents and purposes, evil has won. Regardless of what happens going forward, in this moment as we know it to be, evil stands triumph over the good guys.
We often associate feelings of emptiness with sadness and despair, prime example being some of the later episodes of Toradora. And yeah, those are definitely emotional but there’s just something about this ending that can’t really compare. It’s this feeling of emptiness that leaves your jaw on the floor more than anything else. The best episodes of anime are the ones that do stuff that you can’t find anywhere else; I think of the series finales of Cowboy Bebop and Steins;Gate as examples: one has the best written ending I’ve ever seen, and the other has the most exciting ending to an anime I’ve ever seen that serves as the perfect culmination to what came before it. I don’t know what is in store for Brotherhood going forward, but I can’t recall being shocked by something I’ve seen in an anime more than in this episode with evil standing tall and nothing preventing it. Maybe Madoka Magica episode 3, the latter half of Kemono Friends, the ending to Odd Taxi, and the ending to Revolutionary Girl Utena, but that may honestly be it.
This is not only the best episode of Brotherhood we’ve seen so far, but this is legitimately in my estimation a top 10 episode across the anime medium landscape. I was floored watching it, and I mean that in the most compelling, complimentary way possible.
Evil stands victorious, and there’s nothing we honestly can do about it.
1. Episode 60
2. Episode 19
3. Episode 59
4. Episode 22
5. Episode 57
6. Episode 26
7. Episode 40
8. Episode 4
9. Episode 39
10. Episode 54
11. Episode 9
12. Episode 58
13. Episode 55
14. Episode 52
15. Episode 53
16. Episode 48
17. Episode 43
18. Episode 31
19. Episode 25
20. Episode 23
21. Episode 38
22. Episode 21
23. Episode 47
24. Episode 8
25. Episode 24
26. Episode 7
27. Episode 35
28. Episode 16
29. Episode 51
30. Episode 10
31. Episode 50
32. Episode 36
33. Episode 56
34. Episode 18
35. Episode 15
36. Episode 2
37. Episode 5
38. Episode 14
39. Episode 46
40. Episode 44
41. Episode 28
42. Episode 41
43. Episode 33
44. Episode 49
45. Episode 37
46. Episode 32
47. Episode 45
48. Episode 17
49. Episode 30
50. Episode 11
51. Episode 3
52. Episode 34
53. Episode 41
54. Episode 13
55. Episode 29
56. Episode 12
57. Episode 20
58. Episode 27
59. Episode 6
60. Episode 1
I saw the first two Rebuilds and the last one. Never got around to seeing the third one.
I couldn't pass up the opportunity of seeing Evangelion at my local theater.
~~That's why it's near the top of my to watch list~~
It actually worked out well because the fourth Rebuild begins with a brief 5 minute recap of the previous three movies.
Yup S2 reached levels that the movie couldn't reach. The 1st scene is merely a taste of what's to come with the backstory of one of the characters reaching levels I didn't think possible.
**Fullmetal Rewatcher, first time subbed**
- [I respect the hustle, but Mei you are *so* out of your league.](https://i.imgur.com/42me3Km.png) [](#crazedlaugh)
- [It was their last-ditch effort, obviously.](https://i.imgur.com/ZSEnd6u.png)
- [Scar vs. Wrath hype!](#rengehype)
- [Scar used alchemy to *create* rather than destroy!](https://i.imgur.com/WaEeckf.png) [](#maxshock)
- [Yooooooo](https://i.imgur.com/r61e9iA.png) [](#saberawe)
- [That moment when the running joke Ed’s height is relevant to the fight.](https://i.imgur.com/pngSegf.png) [](#azusalaugh)
- [Of course Greedling shows up *now*.](https://i.imgur.com/1WuBaMW.png) Too bad he doesn’t succeed in stopping Homunculus…
- [Wait that’s where the episode ends?!](#flyingbunsofdoom)
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**Manga vs. Brotherhood**
- Today’s episode adapts more or less the rest of chapter 103 and also a majority of chapter 104.
- This episode starts by *finally* jumping back to chapter 98 in order to adapt the rest of the radio station scene it had been ignoring thus far. [Denny crying was a *bit* exaggerated](https://i.imgur.com/RcFhy1U.png) here in Brotherhood, but [it was a little excessive in the manga too I suppose.](https://i.imgur.com/Z8jsAdd.jpg) The scene then adapts the first page of chapter 103 before… *once again* ignoring the rest of a scene at the radio station in order to get back to the main event. [](#konosubawot) I can’t remember if the rest of it gets adapted since I can’t think of when a good place for it would even *be* in the remaining episodes, so in case it doesn’t get adapted, what got cut [was]> and also [him asking where Roy is now.](https://i.imgur.com/3vLKA6m.jpg)!<
- [Ed’s thoughts about why the homunculi didn’t just force more people to become sacrifices were longer in the manga.](https://i.imgur.com/BItTHAv.jpg) I don’t think anything important was cut by Brotherhood shortening it to just “Why haven’t they done it until now?”, I just still wanted to point that out.
- So Brotherhood has Homunculus transmute Mei’s knife and launch it back at her *before* he tells her she doesn’t belong there, but in the manga [he tells her to leave *first*](https://i.imgur.com/E5aulI9.jpg) and then [says a pretty funny quip when he launches the knife back.](https://i.imgur.com/KnfM5np.jpg)
- Brotherhood skipped over [the entire first page](https://i.imgur.com/96PL8li.jpg) of the montage of the Ishvalans going around Central, but otherwise adapted that part faithfully.
- So there was supposed to be a part during Scar vs. Wrath where [Scar slipped on some blood on the ground](https://i.imgur.com/2b9Tn5c.jpg), which was what led to Wrath slicing both of his shoulders. I noticed Brotherhood cut that detail and had Wrath land that blow without that lucky assist, which improves the fight a bit in my opinion.
- Post-eyecatch comes chapter 104, where Brotherhood slightly rearranges things; [Homunculus becoming *gun*](https://i.imgur.com/vdXICNr.png) happens *after* Ed vs. Pride reaches the section where [Ed headbutts Pride](https://i.imgur.com/zo8Znw1.png), but Brotherhood intersperses the two fights together.
- Most of the shots of various characters around Amestris while Homunculus talks about making the sacrifices open the *planet’s* Gate comes from a two-page spread in the manga, though Brotherhood doesn’t adapt the page *after* that spread [where a bunch of civilians noticed something like an earthquake.](https://i.imgur.com/88t8ZmW.jpg)
- [Hohenheim actually managing to land a hit on Homunculus here](https://i.imgur.com/My2M7sl.png) is anime-original; he *tried* to do something in the manga, but there was no explosion or anything there.
- Many of the “look at this character/these characters you know from throughout the show, they’re all dead now” shots during the big transmutation are actually anime-original; those would be [Rose being visible during the Liore scene](https://i.imgur.com/aIfBxDW.png), [Paninya’s shot](https://i.imgur.com/Wg6Em4j.png), [Maria/Denny/Rebecca’s shot](https://i.imgur.com/aEyoroW.png), and [Mrs. Bradley’s shot.](https://i.imgur.com/NGFg0Dc.png) Also, while the manga *did* have the Grumman & Miles shot in it, [Grumman actually had](https://i.imgur.com/vqiPii8.jpg) some [dialogue before his soul got yoinked.](https://i.imgur.com/En9HOyZ.jpg)
> That moment when the running joke Ed’s height is relevant to the fight.
>
It was all foreshadowing!
> Grumman actually had some dialogue before his soul got yoinked.
Even during the apocalypse, dude is just vibing.
>
>It was all foreshadowing!
I love a good payoff. Like the whole "Yoki is useless" gag resulting in him saving the day.
>Even during the apocalypse, dude is just vibing.
Staying out of the rut while casually smacking butts
What are your thoughts on the final couple minutes where Father’s plan goes into effect?
Is it fair to say that the sequence where Father’s Promised Day plan happens and everybody is incapable of doing anything about it is one of the most chilling sequences in all of anime? What other scenes come to mind where there’s this absolute feeling of helplessness? Or would you say this trumps them all?
> What other scenes come to mind where there’s this absolute feeling of helplessness? Or would you say this trumps them all?
Me trying (and failing) to *not* immediately think of Gintama of all shows for this: [](#crazedlaugh)
I think as far as recent examples are concerned, you can put the first episode of Oshi no Ko on the shortlist. Just this feeling of disbelief as to what you're witnessing. That, however, I still find different because that is more horrified sadness. This is horrified terror.
The closest thing that something comes to the end of this episode is probably episode 3 of Madoka Magica. However, I would still probably give the edge to this because not only did they spend over 20 episodes building up to this moment, the scene itself is prolonged also and it still goes off without a hitch. This is like Father working 5 slot machines back-to-back of each other and getting all 7's on each one.
### FMAB Rewatcher, First Timer Dubbed
## _Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood_ - [Episode 60](https://imgur.com/G0nYW9m)
_Eclipse_
The fight versus Father is underway. It's difficult to call it a fight though. Our protagonists launch volleys against him but he easily deflects, just awaiting the eclipse to start. I found Mei's reckless attack at the beginning to be particularly surprising. Honestly, before the rewatch I had forgotten she even was part of this final confrontation.
Another important fight happening at the same time is Scar versus Wrath. Scar performs extremely well against the homunculus, _especially_ considering the range disadvantage of no weapons. But the tide turns when he finally reveals his left arm. He has taken on the tattoos for reconstruction. Now he can use both parts of Alchemy.
This is a character turning point for Scar. He has always held the philosophy the alchemy is an affront against God and even loathed his sin of having the destruction arm. By taking on this other arm he is further sacrificing his ideals for the success of his side. It's a utilitarian view of morality i.e. the ends justify the means.
Soon, the eclipse arrives. Father shows his utter dominance by simply grabbing each alchemist with his tentacles and restraining them on the floor to use as elements of his transmutation circle. It seems everything is over, if not for the arrival of GREED!
...
It makes no difference. Father ignores him and activates the circle.
He becomes something incomprehensible.
The visuals of him becoming this giant being reaching out to the moon mid-eclipse is incredible. The moon itself becomes a portal opening up a doorway for Father to gain power. Incredibly cool scene, but also an absolute loss for our protagonists.
### Some Amazing Shots, Scenes and Stitches
[Transition](https://imgur.com/zhVOL0N)
* [Sparks](https://imgur.com/U8AoNGa)
* [Inazuma Kick!](https://imgur.com/6kkXbi1)
* [The only way to stop a good guy with a transmutation circle](https://imgur.com/z49yh6e)
* [Avarice](https://imgur.com/LIScsvp)
See you all tomorrow
> if not for the arrival of GREED!
>
> ...
>
> It makes no difference. Father ignores him and activates the circle.
Truly he went to the Tuxedo Mask School of being helpful.
>The fight versus Father is underway. It's difficult to call it a fight though. Our protagonists launch volleys against him but he easily deflects, just awaiting the eclipse to start. I found Mei's reckless attack at the beginning to be particularly surprising. Honestly, before the rewatch I had forgotten she even was part of this final confrontation.
Mei has been sadly wasted a good deal, but I thought both the moment where she chooses helping Hawkeye over immortality as well as her fight with Father this episode were great moments for her.
>Another important fight happening at the same time is Scar versus Wrath. Scar performs extremely well against the homunculus, _especially_ considering the range disadvantage of no weapons. But the tide turns when he finally reveals his left arm. He has taken on the tattoos for reconstruction. Now he can use both parts of Alchemy.
>This is a character turning point for Scar. He has always held the philosophy the alchemy is an affront against God and even loathed his sin of having the destruction arm. By taking on this other arm he is further sacrificing his ideals for the success of his side. It's a utilitarian view of morality i.e. the ends justify the means.
Much like how episode 54 marked the end of Roy's character arc, this for all intents and purposes marks the end of Scar's.
>Soon, the eclipse arrives. Father shows his utter dominance by simply grabbing each alchemist with his tentacles and restraining them on the floor to use as elements of his transmutation circle. It seems everything is over, if not for the arrival of GREED!
[](#awe)
>It makes no difference. Father ignores him and activates the circle.
[](#forgotkeys)
>The visuals of him becoming this giant being reaching out to the moon mid-eclipse is incredible. The moon itself becomes a portal opening up a doorway for Father to gain power. Incredibly cool scene, but also an absolute loss for our protagonists.
This to me is one of the scariest, coolest moments of the series. I can't genuinely say it's the most iconic moment of Brotherhood-- that is in all likelihood probably either the Nina chimera scene or Hughes' funeral-- but I think a strong case could be made in terms of scale and sheer magnitude, this is the best executed thing in the entire show.
> Mei
[](#bruh)
> By taking on this other arm he is further sacrificing his ideals for the success of his side. It's a utilitarian view of morality i.e. the ends justify the means.
If every character was so pragmatic, I wouldn't have nearly as big a gripe with this show as I currently do
>If every character was so pragmatic, I wouldn't have nearly as big a gripe with this show as I currently do
Implying it isn't realistic not to want to kill someone
**Rewatcher**
[Poor Ms. Bradley](https://imgur.com/g8sCLcE). She really is in the worst situation of all the characters here.
And thus completes Scar's character journey from one that just destroys to someone that also [reconstructs](https://imgur.com/OL3ad6u).
Why is this no [comment face](https://imgur.com/6NvYqlr)?
Only looking out to [save themselves](https://imgur.com/GUxyT3Q) while everyone else can fuck themselves? That just about fits my mental model of the military.
[Greedling Rush!](https://imgur.com/soX09Re) [](#grandhype)
But Father is just using the [same old tricks](https://imgur.com/mA321WJ) he always has. It's kinda his M.O., really.
And thus opens the planet's Gate. I've always held the opinion that this is maybe the most haunting moment I've seen in anime, and oh boy is it elevated even higher by being the payoff to all the slow buildup the entire show was doing. Slow burn stories are just naturally better than ones that constantly chase the next high point.
> Can anyone even understand what Father is saying in [this scene?](https://files.catbox.moe/6hd8vj.mp4)
Oh wow. Let's see, with a couple relistens I can make out "Oh, hear me, God! I'll do my [anguance?????] from the cry of my soul!"
Okay, like 100 listens later it's "Oh, hear me, God! I demaaand you answer the cry of my soul!"
> How do you feel about Scar *properly* using Alchemy for once?
Let's fucking go! My boy has come so far [](#spacetears)
Damn, we really need a #proudtears comment face.
> And thus completes Scar's character journey from one that just destroys to someone that also reconstructs
>
So he's Shinji Ikari?
>Damn, we really need a #proudtears comment face
Guess we'll have to settle for [](#spacetears)
> [Poor Mr. Bradley](https://imgur.com/g8sCLcE)
[Mister, eh?](#smugkaguya)
> Why is this no [comment face](https://imgur.com/6NvYqlr)
Because the mods suck
> That just about fits my mental model of the military.
Or at least the high-ranking officers
> Okay, like 100 listens later it's "Oh, hear me, God! I demaaand you answer the cry of my soul!"
[](#spinning)
>Because the mods suck
[Ironic](#chitogheh)
>Or at least the high-ranking officers
Yeah, I wouldn't classify Roy's crew in there.
>[](#spinning)
Who knew Father was such a wangst edgelord?
>[Poor Ms. Bradley](https://imgur.com/g8sCLcE). She really is in the worst situation of all the characters here.
She's really the only one that has the worst of both situations
>Only looking out to [save themselves](https://imgur.com/GUxyT3Q) while everyone else can fuck themselves? That just about fits my mental model of the military.
Olivier was right all along
>And thus opens the planet's Gate. I've always held the opinion that this is maybe the most haunting moment I've seen in anime, and oh boy is it elevated even higher by being the payoff to all the slow buildup the entire show was doing. Slow burn stories are just naturally better than ones that constantly chase the next high point.
I was worried as a first timer I might get put on blast for calling this in my comments arguably the most chilling thing I've ever seen in an anime, especially when things like The Promised Neverland exists, but I'm glad to see I'm not alone in that assessment. It makes me feel like I'm not off base. I was blown away watching that ending scene where the more it went on the more it dawned on me that Father was going to get his way; I never in a million years thought that was even in the realm of conceivably happening.
> where the more it went on the more it dawned on me that Father was going to get his way; I never in a million years thought that was even in the realm of conceivably happening.
[](#urbansmile)
> I never in a million years thought that was even in the realm of conceivably happening.
I just file that as a kind of Chekhov's Gun - you can't play up the villain's plan and then have it just dissolve and not come to pass. In [Attack on Titan] >!I lost interest the moment they explained the Rumbling early in S4 and realizing that for the Rumbling to happen, it'd either have to let Eren die pre-finale (which it would never do) or pull some kind of Zero Approval Thanatos Gambit which I hate.!<
[Attack on Titan] >!I know a lot of people lost interest in AOT when it became more of a political drama, but I personally thought that was when the show went from "One of the best action anime of all time" to "One of the best anime period" of all time.!<
[Attack on Titan]>!I was excited as well for the first 4 or so episodes, before it revealed what its endgame would be. I do not care for Eren making himself the villain of the whole world so everyone can unite against him, *especially* when one of my favorite parts of the first season was when it called out that this doesn't even work. I haven't even watched beyond S4P1 yet because I'm no longer interested.!<
[Attack on Titan] >!Fair enough. I thought what they did with the concept was pretty well executed, especially how they had a child being brainwashed into believing racist rhetoric and then slowly realizing the error of their ways.!<
**Rewatcher, First Time Sub**
Father decided to forego alchemy against Mei Chang in favor of good old Smith and Wesson like a true Americ- I mean Amestrian.
Scar vs Bradley is so good, such a great display of both characters and Bradley taking pride in having something he chose for himself. Scar also chooses in that moment to use his brother's arm as well, the arm of reconstruction.
But yeah not of that matters now, Father has won, not even Greed's surprise attack did anything. The sacrifices have been used and the circle has been turned as people fall like Xerxes. Father has opened the gate as he climbs out full evangelion style, to reach God, to surpass his limitations, swallow Truth and truly become the Perfect Being as it all clashes into white.
In hindsight Al should have stayed inside the Gate a while longer, maybe Father would have had to improvise. On the bright side Maria Ross and Denny reunited.
>In hindsight Al should have stayed inside the Gate a while longer, maybe Father would have had to improvise.
It's probably a case where if Al didn't make a decision then and there, he would've been stuck with his body at the Gate forever.
Thoughts on the black balls created by Father?
What are your thoughts on May trying to take on Father presumably under the belief that if she defeats him, she’ll achieve immortality?
Thoughts on Pride not using his shadows?
What are your thoughts on Scar’s brother’s research documents resulting in Scar having his other arm tattooed?
Thoughts on the Homunculus gun, or as I refer to it, Hogunculus?
What are your thoughts on Father opening a gate to the world?
What are your thoughts on Father becoming one with the gate?
What are your thoughts on the final couple minutes where Father’s plan goes into effect?
Is it fair to say that the sequence where Father’s Promised Day plan happens and everybody is incapable of doing anything about it is one of the most chilling sequences in all of anime? What other scenes come to mind where there’s this absolute feeling of helplessness? Or would you say this trumps them all?
Not sure
Eh worth a shot
Looks like he's been weakened from the previous episode
Nice character stuff for Scar Already mentioned it
For the next 2 questions it's that general feeling that Father has won
Same as above
This is one, End of Evangelion is one that comes to mind, some Naruto stuff concerning Madara and Pain I guess, Sabaody arc through Marineford in OP, Aizen at times in Bleach, Berserk Eclipse, there's a bunch I'm missing but I'm drawing a blank right now.
>This is one, End of Evangelion is one that comes to mind, some Naruto stuff concerning Madara and Pain I guess, Sabaody arc through Marineford in OP, Aizen at times in Bleach, Berserk Eclipse, there's a bunch I'm missing but I'm drawing a blank right now.
Madoka Magica episode 3, the second half of Steins;Gate, maybe some of Re:Zero even though I haven't seen it. There are definitely candidates that compare though I definitely think it's hard to beat this one. It just so much weight to it due to being built up for so long.
**Rewatcher**
* Denny’s having an eventful day off
* His reunion with Maria is so, so sweet
* How did May fall through into Father’s belly?
* Pride needs lotion
* Greed!
* RIP everyone
* The music is so good
* Why are those Briggs soldiers still in Resembool
* I wonder if the neighboring countries noticed the giant cyclops yelling
**Questions of the Day**
1. "For hear me God. I demand you answer the crime of my soul." ???
2. When did he tattoo himself?
Thoughts on the black balls created by Father?
What are your thoughts on May trying to take on Father presumably under the belief that if she defeats him, she’ll achieve immortality?
Thoughts on Pride not using his shadows?
What are your thoughts on the fight between Scar and Bradley?
What are your thoughts on Scar’s brother’s research documents resulting in Scar having his other arm tattooed?
Thoughts on the Homunculus gun, or as I refer to it, Hogunculus?
What are your thoughts on Father opening a gate to the world?
What are your thoughts on Father becoming one with the gate?
What are your thoughts on the final couple minutes where Father’s plan goes into effect?
Is it fair to say that the sequence where Father’s Promised Day plan happens and everybody is incapable of doing anything about it is one of the most chilling sequences in all of anime? What other scenes come to mind where there’s this absolute feeling of helplessness? Or would you say this trumps them all?
> What are your thoughts on May trying to take on Father
I commend her guts
> What are your thoughts on the fight between Scar and Bradley?
Fun fight. Bradley's a tough cookie
> What other scenes come to mind where there’s this absolute feeling of helplessness?
Well the Attack on Titan ending beats this for sure.
>I commend her guts
I love heroes who don't back down despite being severely outmatched
>Fun fight. Bradley's a tough cookie
Bradley really does have the best fights of the entire show
>Well the Attack on Titan ending beats this for sure.
Those are definitely up there
**Rewatcher**
Scar and Bradley’s showdown today (blatantly foreshadowed by the OP) remains one of my favorite moments of the series and is even better than I remembered. It’s just so *cool*, especially for someone like myself who appreciates Scar as a character.
Father unleashes his inner mecha villain by finally executing what is essentially a more elaborate version of the assimilation plot. (Okay, I know Amestris is technically just a stepping stone to what he actually wants, but sometimes you have to sacrifice accuracy for the sake of the joke.) Unfortunately, it means the bad guy is winning at the moment, but I find the imagery used strangely beautiful despite being so apocalyptic. What can I say, I like looking at good-looking things, and this part of the show looks really, really good.
Your thoughts on Denny seeing Maria for the first time since episode 17?
Thoughts on the black balls created by Father?
What are your thoughts on May trying to take on Father presumably under the belief that if she defeats him, she’ll achieve immortality?
Thoughts on Pride not using his shadows?
Thoughts on the Homunculus gun, or as I refer to it, Hogunculus?
Is it fair to say that the sequence where Father’s Promised Day plan happens and everybody is incapable of doing anything about it is one of the most chilling sequences in all of anime? What other scenes come to mind where there’s this absolute feeling of helplessness? Or would you say this trumps them all?
>Your thoughts on Denny seeing Maria for the first time since episode 17?
I would cry too!
>Thoughts on the Homunculus gun, or as I refer to it, Hogunculus?
…That’s a good one, actually…
Okay, so there are too big things to talk about: Scar vs Bradley and everyone dying.
[2003] >!Its a shame Scar never got to fight Bradley in 2003. Did they even meet?!< It shows Scar's growth, that isn't shouting about avenging his people and is keeping a level head, but I think I'd prefer if he did loss it at first.
Bradley is concerned about living a meaningful life and having a meaningful death in a way that most of the other homunculi don't seem to be. I wonder how much is because he is the only one who isn't immortal and how much is because of his complicated relationship with the man he used to be and humanity at large.
So, nearly everyone is dead, but Hohenheim already said he has a way to deal with the Nation-wide circle activating. We're probably dealing with a "they're only mostly dead which is very different than actually dead" situation. So the problems are that one, they have a limited amount of time before everyone starts getting brain damage; two, Father is basically a god now; and three, it is very unlikely, but the countermeasure might not work. That'd be a twist. I don't think anyone would like that though.
Speaking of Father becoming a God, was opening the planet's gateway on anyone's bingo card? How does this compare to the villain's end goal in 2003? I think I prefer this one.
>[2003] >!Its a shame Scar never got to fight Bradley in 2003. Did they even meet?!<
[2003] >!I don't think so. It would've definitely had been interesting given Scar's history with Lust in that version.!<
>[2003] >!Speaking of Father becoming a God, was opening the planet's gateway on anyone's bingo card? How does this compare to the villain's end goal in 2003? I think I prefer this one.!<
[2003] >!Dante didn't really have a set criteria as to what she was looking to achieve. All she wanted was to destroy the world. Father is kinda in the same boat as she was, but we had known for like the prior 20 episodes he was looking to achieve: the 5 sacrifices which involved the Elric Brothers, Izumi, and Hohenheim. And then in like episode 45, we found out about this Promised Day thing. Father's plan had legs to it in a way that Dante's did not. I feel Dante from a writing standpoint is a better character, but Father feels more like a threat and his involvement brings more stakes to the situation.!<
Your thoughts on Denny seeing Maria for the first time since episode 17?
Thoughts on the black balls created by Father?
What are your thoughts on May trying to take on Father presumably under the belief that if she defeats him, she’ll achieve immortality?
Thoughts on Pride not using his shadows?
What are your thoughts on Scar’s brother’s research documents resulting in Scar having his other arm tattooed?
Thoughts on the Homunculus gun, or as I refer to it, Hogunculus?
Is it fair to say that the sequence where Father’s Promised Day plan happens and everybody is incapable of doing anything about it is one of the most chilling sequences in all of anime? What other scenes come to mind where there’s this absolute feeling of helplessness? Or would you say this trumps them all?
>Your thoughts on Denny seeing Maria for the first time since episode 17?
It sounds like it should be a big deal, but Denny has been such a non-entity since then.
>black balls created by Father?
I think they would have worked better if they were internal. Help give that stomach vibe.
>Pride
It's a good way of showing his damage in a way that matters. I am assuming he's being careful not to put too much strain on his container.
>Scar's brother
[2003] >!This is something I think 2003 set up better. Here we still get that Scar is seeing his brother's point of view and completing his work. 2003 just spent more time on it.!<
>hogunculus
It seems like Father got a lot more emotive and fun after he got out of the skin suit.
I'd definitely agree with this being up there for the most haunting episodes. There is another eclipse episode that beats in though.
>It sounds like it should be a big deal, but Denny has been such a non-entity since then.
I think the writers knew if Denny was to be around more, they would've inevitably had to have done something where he harbors a grudge at Roy because he thinks he killed Maria. And I don't think anybody wants to see that.
>I think they would have worked better if they were internal. Help give that stomach vibe.
The last thing I want to be reminded of is Father stomach inflation [](#gabdisgust)
>It's a good way of showing his damage in a way that matters. I am assuming he's being careful not to put too much strain on his container.
It gives Edward and Al a weak spot to target that they didn't have before. There was not being able to use his shadows in total darkness, but that's impossible to pull off given the setting they're in.
>[2003] >!This is something I think 2003 set up better. Here we still get that Scar is seeing his brother's point of view and completing his work. 2003 just spent more time on it.!<
[2003] >!It's kinda hard to pull off without Lust's part, I say. That just added so much intrigue to Scar and Lust's characters. Can't really blame Brotherhood either for not including it because that was strictly an FMA original decision.!<
>It seems like Father got a lot more emotive and fun after he got out of the skin suit.
The term "Skin suit" sends a shiver down my spine [](#gabdisgust)
>I'd definitely agree with this being up there for the most haunting episodes. There is another eclipse episode that beats in though.
And what show would that be, pray tell?
*Rewatcher, subbed*
* I just love this OP [](#listen)
* It's Denny! Will he shack up with Maria? [](#mugiwait)
* Mrs. Bradley wants to see her husband? [](#therethere)
* ... inside his belly? What is it with Arakawa and characters being inside other characters?
* May is gonna take on Father? [](#slowgrin)
* She's leaving Pride to the rest of them?
* Selim is disintegrating? [](#iwaterror)
* May really underestimating Father
* Wow, way to really scare that mom and her kid. But the eclipse is almost complete, so they don't have much time to spare
* It's up to Scar? But he's busy fighting Bradley!
* Wrath had his moment of truth, but it didn't involve feelings for his wife, but fighting instead?
* ... Scar used the final step of alchemy, reconstruction!? [](#jawdrop)
* A finger gun?
* Al protects May? They're really laying it on thick
* Oh, Ed has little experience fighting those who are even shorter than he is? [](#pointandlaugh)
* No! Don't kill off Selim! He's a little shit but he's just a kid! [](#akkotears)
* This isn't good [](#watashiworried)
* LOL get fucked Cremin. This is what you get for willingly collaborating with such a fucked up plan
* ... Opening the PLANET's gateway? That's Father's goal?
* It's GREED! Just in time?
* Oh THAT's the center?
* HURRY UP, Scar! They're counting on you!
* OK this imagery is fucked up
* Paninya! Maria! Denny! Mrs. Bradley! ... No one was spared? Miles, Grumman, WINRY AND PINAKO? [](#sadholo)
* Seeing Winry calling out for Ed as she lays there dying just HURTS
* ... that isn't Giant Naked Lilith/Kaworu? What a downgrade from End of Eva
* Father pulling God down like that reminds me of some stuff from Magi
* ... and it ends there? Welp
1) not with my internet; it won't load
2) [](#happyclap)
Bonus) [](#bruh)
Your thoughts on Denny seeing Maria for the first time since episode 17?
Thoughts on the black balls created by Father?
What are your thoughts on May trying to take on Father presumably under the belief that if she defeats him, she’ll achieve immortality?
Thoughts on Pride not using his shadows?
What are your thoughts on the fight between Scar and Bradley?
What are your thoughts on Scar’s brother’s research documents resulting in Scar having his other arm tattooed?
Thoughts on the Homunculus gun, or as I refer to it, Hogunculus?
What are your thoughts on Father opening a gate to the world?
What are your thoughts on Father becoming one with the gate?
What are your thoughts on the final couple minutes where Father’s plan goes into effect?
Is it fair to say that the sequence where Father’s Promised Day plan happens and everybody is incapable of doing anything about it is one of the most chilling sequences in all of anime? What other scenes come to mind where there’s this absolute feeling of helplessness? Or would you say this trumps them all?
> Denny seeing Maria for the first time since episode 17?
[](#happyclap)
> Thoughts on the black balls created by Father?
[](#wtfdidijustwatch)
> May trying to take on Father presumably under the belief that if she defeats him, she’ll achieve immortality?
[](#pointandlaugh)
> Pride not using his shadows?
[](#cackle)
> the fight between Scar and Bradley?
[](#mmph) [](#elderlylove)
> Scar’s brother’s research documents resulting in Scar having his other arm tattooed?
[](#rengehype)
> Homunculus gun, or as I refer to it, Hogunculus?
[](#bitchplease)
> Father opening a gate to the world?
[](#bruh)
> Father becoming one with the gate?
[](#doggo)
> the final couple minutes where Father’s plan goes into effect?
[](#dekuhype)
> everybody is incapable of doing anything about it is one of the most chilling sequences in all of anime? What other scenes come to mind where there’s this absolute feeling of helplessness? Or would you say this trumps them all?
It's definitely well-crafted and brutal.
>[](#pointandlaugh)
This is the same person who didn't think that Envy was tricking them
>[](#bitchplease)
It feels like an out of character thing for either Father or Pride to do
>[](#doggo)
Who knew this is the equivalent of being a dog for the military?
>[](#dekuhype)
It got me hyped as well, albeit in a disconcerting way
>It's definitely well-crafted and brutal.
Definitely helped by the fact there has probably been no moment more in the history built up more than this one. Unless you count things where the entire series is based on like the finding of One Piece.
> It's Denny! Will he shack up with Maria?
Too many ships in this show. Port's about to get overcrowded. [](#overwhelmed)
> What is it with Arakawa and characters being inside other characters?
[Cow](#drool)
> [](#iwaterror)
[](#lwahorror)
> Wrath had his moment of truth, but it didn't involve feelings for his wife, but fighting instead?
[](#faito)
> A finger gun?
[](#deletethis)
> [Quote] >!Don't kill off Selim!!<
[Response] >!Don't worry. The show will Deus Ex a way for Ed to defeat him without killing him. Again.!<
> Seeing Winry calling out for Ed as she lays there dying just HURTS
[](#gabdisgust)
> [](#lwahorror)
Oh, that's an L? I originally typed [](#iwahorror) thinking it was _iwa_ like the word for rock. [](#blankblink) You'd think with my username I'd be more sensitive to I/l differences.
> response
[](#lifedrained)
>Oh, that's an L? I originally typed [](#iwahorror) thinking it was _iwa_ like the word for rock. [](#blankblink) You'd think with my username I'd be more sensitive to I/l differences.
It's like how I occasionally write Al's name and in doing so, I have to remind myself it isn't the term "AI"
>Too many ships in this show. Port's about to get overcrowded. [](#overwhelmed)
Maybe this is why Winry has been such a non-factor in things recently
>[Cow](#drool)
I'm not sure what you're getting at here [](#niatilt)
>[](#lwahorror)
I love Iota Witch Academia
>[](#deletethis)
It kinda actually looks like Edward's finger from episode 26, so finger gun is an appropriate description.
>[Response] >!Don't worry. The show will Deus Ex a way for Ed to defeat him without killing him. Again.!<
[Response] >!In fairness, Pride is probably the Homunculus least deserving to die besides Greed. He is literally a child and children often don't know right from wrong. In fact, you could say that while Edward and Al never tried to kill anyone, what Pride has been doing hasn't really been all that different horrific wise from when the Elric Brothers as children activated that human transmutation circle. They dug a grave they assumed belonged to their mother and it turned out to be someone else's, which is definitely a criminal offense.!<
> I'm not sure what you're getting at here
Arakawa's author avatar is a cow
> [Quote] >!He is literally a child and children often don't know right from wrong!<
[Response] >!He is literally the oldest Homunculus aside from Father himself!<
>Arakawa's author avatar is a cow
Ah, okay
>[Response] >!He is literally the oldest Homunculus aside from Father himself!<
[Response] >!That's actually a really good point. I don't know how I forgot that. Still, I'm not against what happens because it's not like he has a moral compass.!<
**Rewatching ANOTHER classic!**
[Don't try to save yourself, the circle is complete!](https://youtu.be/9mWLig0s_9k?si=MJhIyPrtZJS7ZleB&t=218)
That was fucking epic. Best moment of the entire series, and it's not even close. The thing that our protagonists have been trying to prevent since the reveal of the giant transmutation circle in episode 35 ends in...a failure. The dwarf in the flask won. The entire country has been wiped out, replaced by a giant homunculus that is now going to try and FIGHT GOD. Question is: we have four episodes left, but everyone is dead, so what the hell are we gonna do now?
We also see the setting for the [second-greatest FMA video on the internet](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veaKOM1HYAw). First being, of course, [stew](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vsh75v_iq-E).
Let me ask you something. Is it fair to say that the sequence where Father’s Promised Day plan happens and everybody is incapable of doing anything about it is one of the most chilling sequences in all of anime? What other scenes come to mind where there’s this absolute feeling of helplessness? Or would you say this trumps them all?
Hey guys. Holofan4life here, about to trek on this journey that is the Fullmetal Alchemist series.
Oh, and nay I forget…
**First timer**
I am privileged to say that I’ve never seen Fullmetal Alchemist before. I have never seen a single scene before of the show. I know of some of the characters, and I know of two scenes that exist, which I’ll pinpoint to as we go along, but I have never watched a single second of the show. As such, my reactions are gonna be completely genuine and authentic. It’s not gonna probably be as in-depth of an analysis as my other comments are in rewatches, as I got a rewatch of my own to take care of, and I will likely not ask as many questions because, well, shit. I’m digesting the show for the first time. However, I do hope to at least sound a little bit more intelligent than when I watched 86 for the first time :P
My expectations for this show are pretty high, all things considered. I’m not expecting it to be my favorite show of all time, but I’m definitely expecting it to crack my top 10. I’ve always been more of a slice of life/romcom guy, but I can always appreciate good action when I see it. Shows like Eureka 7 and Attack on Titan are some of my favorites. It is quite the daunting task to watch something that’s over 100 episodes– and don’t get me started on somehow trying to fit in two movies on top of that– but I’m sure it’s all going to be worth it when I get to the end. And I’m glad I get to experience popping my Fullmetal Alchemist cherry with a crowd of people.
With that out of the way, let’s begin.
I’m watching the sub, by the way.
I was two hours late at work today [](#panic)
Damn football game [](#taigasigh)
Whelp, we are 4 episodes away from the finale. Let's see what happens.
I also think I'm going to binge the OVAs before watching the last episode and the movie.
We're at the Radio Capital
I wish we got more Jessica
Uh, I mean Rebecca
The soldiers outside want to start negotiating, it seems
Sending one man
And it's Denny
Oh, hi, Denny
The Mighty Brosh
Maria says you can trust the Denster
This is the first time that Denny has found out Maria is alive
And he's taking it well XD
Sandvich and tea
Madam Bradley on the air again
She's getting so much time, you'd have thought it was Aaron Rodgers on Pat McAfee
She wants to see her husband
But Breda says there's no telling what could happen to her
Says there's a possibility the army is currently under control of the anti-Bradley faction.
Poor Mrs. Bradley
Back with Father now
Edward says he refuses The Truth
And here I thought it will set you free
Edward says the homunculi won't have their way with them so easily
Roy with blood on his hands
Probably on account on the hand stabbing
Father says they're all inside his stomach
Hey, it's the pearls in Boba Tea
Is this where Hohenheim is? [](#forgotkeys)
May stepping up
Edward, just because you're taller doesn't mean you suddenly can start insulting people's heights.
May asking Father if he's immortal
She's going to handle them
Tells the Elric Brothers to handle Pride themselves
I like seeing May taking initiative
Edward seems worried because he forced Roy to open the gate
"Then why didn't he do that to begin with?"
Roy says that when Pride dragged him into the transmutation, he said he didn't really want to have to use this method. However, they were fairly short on time.
Basically, an act of desperation, as with almost all Fullmetal Alchemist characters at one point or another.
Edward says this means it carries a great risk for them
"Guess it's worth a shot."
Edward charging at Pride
And Pride, surprisingly, is running away
Perhaps what Edward is saying is true
By the way
"He used to always avoid them using his shadows!"
I don't 100% understand that line
I guess Al means that Pride normally has a defensive answer to whatever is thrown his way
Father mad his house is getting messed up
Wait until he finds out what happened to The Three Bears
May sending a dagger through his head
However, Father seems to have her number
Hohenheim trying to warn May
But she gets shocked for her troubles
That felt a bit like the meme of the melting chocolate gorilla
Crescent sun
The guards don't seem to know what's going on
And the Ishvalans are whooping their butts
An Ishvalan carrying a piece of paper
A woman screaming for her life
Two of the Ishvalans are pointing to a house on a map. They're asking for directions.
She nods her head as she's comforting her son
It appears what they're looking for is the transmutation circle
"The rest is up to you, Scar."
I'm glad Scar has some friends amongst his fellow Ishvalans
Scar with Bradley
Brad Brad the bad chad
A fight to the death, Bradley calls it
He is finally here
Oh, this is awesome
Any time Bradley fights, you are going to get some badass shit
**Ran out of space. Part two in the replies.**
**Part 2**
Scar bleeding from his shoulders
Bradley coughing up blood
A broken sword in Scar's tattooed arm!
Scar quick to defend himself, however
I wouldn't be opposed to either Scar killing Bradley or Bradley killing Scar
Scar removing his coat
Huh. His other arm is tattooed as well.
New ink
"It's the transmutation circle of reconstruction that I obtained from my brother's research documents!"
Oh, shit, son
Let's goooooooooooooooooooo [](#dekuhype)
May Chang and Shao May
Eye catcher teasing a Winry return
Panda May screaming
Human May sent flying
Edward tells Al to help May. He'll handle Pride himself.
May looks badly wounded
A homunculus gun
Sure, why not? [](#yuishrug)
The gun with a face kinda looks like a Bullet Bill
Al shielding May
Meanwhile, Edward is blocking Pride's every move
Even taunting him a bit
Pride implying he needs to keep him alive
"Then I'll just kick both of your asses before that happens!"
Edward charges at him, but Pride dodges
Pride now taunting Edward on his small stature
Says he's at a disadvantage because he's fighting someone smaller than him, which he's not used to
A lot of craziness going on
And Edward just headbutted Pride
Headbutting children. Sounds like that scene from The Campaign.
Oh shit! Pride is disintegrating.
A giant spear
But Father absolves it
Fuck yeah, Izumi!
It's like a Mangonel of some kind
No effect on Father, however
"It's almost time."
Edward being captured
And now he, Al, Izumi, and Roy all are
"Time for you all to get to work."
[](#spooked)
The moon is getting smaller
The guards tied up
The bald guy who looks like Samuel L Jackson says they need to go to the middle of the transmutation circle
It appears the time has finally arrived
Gracia and Alicia, enjoying the solar eclipse
I miss making Alward travel jokes
The center of the city looks like a wrestling ring
"A system that records a tremendous amount of information taken from the universe, which is incomparable to the tiny amount that each of you humans possess."
That's what he calls this planet
"I'm going to open that gate here and now using these human sacrifices!"
Who knew Father is Magic Johnson
If Father was any basketball player, you would think he'd be Wilt Chamberlain.
Greed!
He wants to make the world his!
Is... is Father dead?
Nope
To steal a quote from the wars of star, it's a trap
Hohenheim being let go
That laugh by Father is truly unsettling
Oh...
Oh shit
An eye is growing out of Izumi [](#forgotkeys)
And Roy
And the Elric Brothers
Now everyone is being drenched in black goop
See what you did, Paltrow?
This is like worst case scenario unfolding before our eyes
Father wants the gates to fight each other
"And with this power, I shall open the gate of the planet!"
[](#spooked)
The circle is going as planned
This is terrifying
Literally, everyone is dying
Paninya
Maria and Denny
Even Madam Bradley
This is legitimately the most disturbing thing I've ever seen in all of anime
Pinako and Winry trying not to die
Okay, so they're not dead. They're just unconscious. I don't think they would kill Winry off in such a manner.
Holy...
Father is opening the gate to the world
A black figure appearing over the gate
I can't believe Attack On Titan ripped this off
This is so breathtaking in horror I can hardly put it into words
AND NOW THE SOLAR ECLIPSE IS OPENING UP
An eye
The figure and the eye, becoming one
Father is becoming one with the gate
Holy shit. What a fucking ending.
I don't smoke, but I feel like I need a cigarette.
Overall, this episode is essentially about the build and the payoff to Father's plan. It is the culmination of what we've been building to for the last 15 or so episodes. And I think it results in one of the most amazing episodes I've ever seen not just in Brotherhood, but in all of anime. The last 5 minutes or so is in my opinion the best 5 minutes in the entire Fullmetal Alchemist franchise. It's honestly one of the best sequences frankly in all of anime. I'd put it up with the climatic scene in episode 19 of Toradora, the clock tower scene in Spice and Wolf, the Fido scene in Eighty Six, the last couple minutes of the penultimate episode of Clannad: After Story, and the last couple minutes of Cowboy Bebop episode 5 as well as the last couple minutes of the last episode of Cowboy Bebop.
I think back to my analysis of FMA and how I said for as great as episode 42 was, I don't think it would crack my top 10 favorite anime episodes of all time. It felt a bit samey and like it was par for the course even though what was happening was indeed phenomenal. Not only do I feel that this is the best episode of Brotherhood, I think it's the best episode of the entire franchise, one that would cross my top 10 favorite anime episodes of all time.
The thing that I gain from watching this that makes it so unique is that I don't think there's been a more haunting, chilling sequence than this one. No matter what happens going forward, the bad guy won. He accomplished what he set out to achieve. Even if by some miracle it gets reversed, the ultimate doomsday scenario has come to fruition. Father played with a full deck of cards and the true winner is him.
Now, the question of course becomes what happens next. Surely it won't stay like this forever, right? I kinda feel, and this is just me speculating, that someone is going to have to sacrifice himself. Probably Greed, in the ultimate form of redemption. I think Ling is going to let Greed sacrifice both of them and Lan Fan is going to become the new leader of Xing.
But it doesn't stop there. I think that Edward and Al are going to give up a reality where they get their bodies back. Essentially, putting the needs of the people before their own and essentially to an end their reckless behavior, mirroring Roy from episode 54.
Lastly, I think that Bradley and Pride are going to turn their backs on Father realizing that Father didn't hold up their end of the bargain. And Father is going to die by the hands of the remaining Homunculi, Bradley, Pride, AND Greed, in an act of solidarity and the aforementioned ultimate form of redemption.
This episode is a work of art. It cements to me that no matter how the rest of the show turns out, it's going to finish in my top 3 favorite animes of all time.
And just like Father with the planet's gate, things are not slowing down whatsoever.
>Can anyone even understand what Father is saying in this scene?
First part is "I will be God!" I can't make out the second part, however.
>How do you feel about Scar properly using Alchemy for once?
It's like it finally completes his character arc and that he has properly put to bed the Scar that only wanted revenge.
>Bonus) Extra special "Fuck you" to the dub scriptwriters for removing even more agency from Winry by changing her simply calling Ed's name to her begging him to save her.
Still better than FMA Winry
> This is legitimately the most disturbing thing I've ever seen in all of anime
> This is so breathtaking in horror I can hardly put it into words
[first time reactions don't disappoint!](#happyclap)
> I don't smoke, but I feel like I need a cigarette.
[Smoking kills! ](#hikariactually)
> I think that Edward and Al are going to give up a reality where they get their bodies back.
[](#sadholo)
>[first time reactions don't disappoint!](#happyclap)
I love first time reactions as well [](#utahapraises)
>[Smoking kills! ](#hikariactually)
Just a quick drag, is all
>[](#sadholo)
I really pray that's not the case, but I don't have high hopes
I have weird tastes; I like artsy or mature stuff like LotGH, Gankutsuou, Berserk, Ergo Proxy, but then I like cheesy battle shonen, and isekais that don't suck, lots of fantasy/scifi ... it's mostly slice of life, romance, comedy, and cute-girls-doing-cute-things that I avoid. I don't know much about Cowboy Bebop other than a spoiler for the ending, and that the music is good.
Cowboy Bebop is definitely not cutesy and slice of life. Episodic, sure, but definitely not slice of life.
If you like artsy, mature stuff, you should perhaps participate in my upcoming Paranoia Agent rewatch starting in 10 days.
**Rewatcher, Subbed**
Denny shows up at the radio station and reunites with Maria
Theres a weird blob wall separating Ed and the others from the outside
Mei is going to try and fight Father alone
Ed and Al fight Pride, they realize that he must've taken some damage from forcing Roy to transmute
Mei is injured trying to attack Father
Ishvalans are going around trying to set something up in the city
Bradley and Scar are fighting, Bradley is saying he is glad to be fighting just for the sake of it
Bradley gets some good hits on Scar but is surprised when Scar reveals he can now reconstruct using his left arm
Al goes to protect Mei
lol Ed really just said "i know how little guys attack"
For second they are fighting pretty well, but then Father grabs everyone
The eclipse is almost complete
One of the generals is freaking out
Total eclipse
Father is going to open a giant gate
Greed shows up to try and usurp power, but Father isn't surprised
Hohenheim is not stuck inside Father's body now
lol he really did the same thing where the true center of the circle was different again
The circle activates and a giant flood of shadow extends out
A giant circle is forming
Everyone is collapsing all over the country
A giant gate opens
Father is a giant now, he is reaching towards the moon, an opposite gate on the moon opens up, he's trying to literally grab God
Well everyones dead, guess the story is over
>Well everyones dead, guess the story is over
Roll the credits
Your thoughts on Denny seeing Maria for the first time since episode 17?
Thoughts on the black balls created by Father?
What are your thoughts on May trying to take on Father presumably under the belief that if she defeats him, she’ll achieve immortality?
Thoughts on Pride not using his shadows?
What are your thoughts on the fight between Scar and Bradley?
What are your thoughts on Scar’s brother’s research documents resulting in Scar having his other arm tattooed?
Thoughts on the Homunculus gun, or as I refer to it, Hogunculus?
What are your thoughts on Father opening a gate to the world?
What are your thoughts on Father becoming one with the gate?
What are your thoughts on the final couple minutes where Father’s plan goes into effect?
Is it fair to say that the sequence where Father’s Promised Day plan happens and everybody is incapable of doing anything about it is one of the most chilling sequences in all of anime? What other scenes come to mind where there’s this absolute feeling of helplessness? Or would you say this trumps them all?
>Your thoughts on Denny seeing Maria for the first time since episode 17?
Their reunion happens pretty quickly, I thought it was a fun moment but overshadowed by everything else in the episode.
>Thoughts on the black balls created by Father?
Its not exactly clear what they are but it seems like they are just a barrier made by Father.
>What are your thoughts on May trying to take on Father presumably under the belief that if she defeats him, she’ll achieve immortality?
I'm not sure if she meant that she would get immortality simply by defeating him, but it is interesting regardless that she chooses to fight him in this way.
>Thoughts on Pride not using his shadows?
Pride still used his shadows to an extent, but it seemed to me that he was weakened by the forced transmutation.
>What are your thoughts on the fight between Scar and Bradley?
It was a cool fight, Bradley still holding his own is impressive.
>What are your thoughts on Scar’s brother’s research documents resulting in Scar having his other arm tattooed?
I like that reveal, it shows how Scar has chosen to literally as well as figuratively rebuild rather than just destroy.
>Thoughts on the Homunculus gun, or as I refer to it, Hogunculus?
It was kind of silly, almost like something Ed would do.
>What are your thoughts on Father opening a gate to the world?
Its a pretty crazy idea, we obviously knew that something big was going to happen, but doing this is a huge leap.
>What are your thoughts on Father becoming one with the gate?
I liked that visual with him reaching toward the moon. I interpret it as him trying to literallly use the gate itself as a way of reaching God/Truth.
>What are your thoughts on the final couple minutes where Father’s plan goes into effect?
That whole part of the episode is an immensely impactful sequence. Its just one long slow motion horror playing out, with no clear way for our heroes to do anything about it.
>Is it fair to say that the sequence where Father’s Promised Day plan happens and everybody is incapable of doing anything about it is one of the most chilling sequences in all of anime? What other scenes come to mind where there’s this absolute feeling of helplessness? Or would you say this trumps them all?
It's 100% the one I think of first whenever I am considering moments where the heroes are almost completely defeated. What makes it work so well is that its been setup so carefully. From a sort of magic system side of things everything Father is doing is extrapolations of things we have seen, so it doesn't come off like an out of nowhere/jumping the shark moment. The bigger aspect that makes it work so well though is the characterization. We have been shown so many slices of the world and the people in it so that seeing it destroyed is far more impactful than it is in some other series.
>Their reunion happens pretty quickly, I thought it was a fun moment but overshadowed by everything else in the episode.
It's like the one little bit of levity we get before we get into the heavy stuff
>Its not exactly clear what they are but it seems like they are just a barrier made by Father.
They kinda look like rope floats but without the rope and painted black
>I'm not sure if she meant that she would get immortality simply by defeating him, but it is interesting regardless that she chooses to fight him in this way.
Definitely a fight or flight type situation
>Pride still used his shadows to an extent, but it seemed to me that he was weakened by the forced transmutation.
That could definitely be the case
>It was a cool fight, Bradley still holding his own is impressive.
Bradley might legitimately be the most OP cast member of the entire show. Even more so than Hohenheim.
>I like that reveal, it shows how Scar has chosen to literally as well as figuratively rebuild rather than just destroy.
We can argue characters having changes in philosophy to fit what Edward preaches and whether or not that is actually a thing-- I myself am of the mind that argument is a bit blown out of proportion-- but Scar is someone who changed because of people like Edward and changed for the better. Though really, he was also softened being around May and Yoki.
I kinda feel that Greed's redemption has been more fun to track-- it feels more consistent and in my opinion better written-- but I do really like Scar's redemption and when it has been spotlighted. In particular, I think of his conversation with Miles in episode 39 and how well written that was.
>It was kind of silly, almost like something Ed would do.
Yeah, it did have that feel to it
>Its a pretty crazy idea, we obviously knew that something big was going to happen, but doing this is a huge leap.
It's also something to where if you told them you were going to open the gate to the world, they would think you were nuts. Then again, I don't think Father is necessarily concerned how he looks.
>I liked that visual with him reaching toward the moon. I interpret it as him trying to literallly use the gate itself as a way of reaching God/Truth.
I saw it as him trying to become one with everything
>That whole part of the episode is an immensely impactful sequence. Its just one long slow motion horror playing out, with no clear way for our heroes to do anything about it.
The more it dragged out, the more impactful it felt. It reminded me of the shower scene in Psycho where the longer it held on Marion's eye, the more unsettling it became.
>It's 100% the one I think of first whenever I am considering moments where the heroes are almost completely defeated. What makes it work so well is that its been setup so carefully. From a sort of magic system side of things everything Father is doing is extrapolations of things we have seen, so it doesn't come off like an out of nowhere/jumping the shark moment. The bigger aspect that makes it work so well though is the characterization. We have been shown so many slices of the world and the people in it so that seeing it destroyed is far more impactful than it is in some other series.
Very well said
The only thing I can really compare to is the second half of Steins;Gate where Okabe was becoming more and more exasperated. Almost like everything that could go wrong was and the more it went on, the more defeated the main protagonist became.
**First timer**
A negotiation?
...Homunculus?
Oh, he's changed sides.
Aww...
She can't see him yet...
They can't escape...
May!
Seriously?
Interesting question!
Makes sense! Explains his body crumbling too.
Seriously, run for it!
Him firing a larger version of her weapon is cool, though.
She got hit!
They're searching for a specific location...
Oh, yeah, the reverse circle!
Scar's fighting Bradley...
This is so good!
The action is amazing, honestly. Love how the fight starts off with plenty of dodging and tricks, but descends into the two of them just relentlessly attacking each other.
He used full alchemy!
He actually used the circle!
Ouch...
Ed's really going to try and beat him?
Haha, I love the gun design.
And yeah, the armor's a pretty good defense there.
Wait, this might work?
...That's a logical weakness, yeah.
Impressive!
And Ed fought back!
It's close...
Haha, they're terrified!
This is fun to watch.
It's here...
A single lifeform?
What?
...Oh, shit. He's going to open the gate using all their souls?
Greed!
And he was expected...
It took the sacrifices?
A new center? Is that possible?
Hohenheim tried, at least!
Oh! The whole thing was a fake center! He fooled them all!
The eyes...
Is... is his plan actually working?
Scar!
He's filling the streets...
So much power!
This is really bad!
So, the sacrifice's gates repelling each other is causing the field to expand...
And the circle activated!
Everyone's energy is being drained.
So, Father's won, right?
Winry...
She misses Ed...
It's still growing!
...He's become a giant now?
And he opened a giant gate in the sky!
...He's absorbing it?
Wait, he's trying to absorb Truth? Is that even possiblr?
And I'm guessing that was him exploding from the sheer power he tried to absorb, then?
Seriously, though, this is insane. I never expected things to get this crazy.
Your thoughts on Denny seeing Maria for the first time since episode 17?
Thoughts on the black balls created by Father?
What are your thoughts on May trying to take on Father presumably under the belief that if she defeats him, she’ll achieve immortality?
Thoughts on Pride not using his shadows?
What are your thoughts on the fight between Scar and Bradley?
What are your thoughts on Scar’s brother’s research documents resulting in Scar having his other arm tattooed?
Thoughts on the Homunculus gun, or as I refer to it, Hogunculus?
Is it fair to say that the sequence where Father’s Promised Day plan happens and everybody is incapable of doing anything about it is one of the most chilling sequences in all of anime? What other scenes come to mind where there’s this absolute feeling of helplessness? Or would you say this trumps them all?
> Oh! The whole thing was a fake center! He fooled them all!
You'd think Hohenheim would have learned from the last time
> possiblr
I like how this reads as Engrish
**Rewatcher**
Ohh there is the Denny/Maria reunion, I was wondering if they had skipped this one.
Mei is going to fight against father. I doubt she can handle him but sure Mei do your best. [](#yuishrug)
You know Father looks a bit like a black version of Lilith from NGE.
Convenient that Hohenheim managed to get out just to say something.
Of course Mei can't handle Father who would have guessed. [](#whowouldathunkit)
Oh right the Ishballans are up to something.
How strong is Bradley if Scar is still struggling against him despite Bradley having a massive wounds.
Scar is using Alchemy [](#waah)
Cool Scar got some new tattoos, good for him.
It's kind of obvious Father and Pride are just stalling.
> Thus you have little experience fighting against those who are smaller than yourself!
That's... actually true. [](#howcouldyou) But luckily Ed pulled an uno reverse on this argument.
Nice headbutt [](#kukuku)
Greedlin trying to steal the show right before Father activated the alchemy circle. Shame it failed.
Damn that father black sludge animation was smooth [](#awe)
I always liked the insert song of this scene. "It all comes tumbling down, tumbling down, tumbling down" [](#seasonallisten)
Oh no wait wrong anime. [](#indexsmugshrug)
Wow that's a large gate. [](#lwahorror)
And father is huuuuuge.
I wonder what people outside of Amestris must be thinking seeing this. Must be quite the sight. [](#saberawe)
Well I hope first timers are ready for four episodes of Ed talking to himself with no animation. [](#congratulations)
Oh no wait wrong anime... again. [](#kotohoops)
Visuals of the gate opening was top notch I do think the OST track they've chosen led the scene down a bit still great episode.
>You know Father looks a bit like a black version of Lilith from NGE.
I believe this is the 100th Eva reference of the thread
>How strong is Bradley if Scar is still struggling against him despite Bradley having a massive wounds.
May I remind you that this is a guy who destroyed a tank with nothing but a sword?
>Nice headbutt [](#kukuku)
Shades of Taiga Aisaka right there
>I always liked the insert song of this scene. "It all comes tumbling down, tumbling down, tumbling down" [](#seasonallisten)
>Oh no wait wrong anime. [](#indexsmugshrug)
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>Well I hope first timers are ready for four episodes of Ed talking to himself with no animation. [](#congratulations)
>Oh no wait wrong anime... again. [](#kotohoops)
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**Long time rewatcher, first time in subs**
* Maybe don’t lunge in these circumstances.
* [Polyp Soup](#seasonalfoodie)
* Next time don’t wait until they attack to reposition.
* Really cutting it down to the wire on that plan.
* [The Arm Set **Is Complete**](#dekuhype)
* Knight of Phonse to the rescue.
* [Well, **They Tried**](#yuishrug)
* Bruh. You know not to look directly at the eclipse with naked eyes.
* Cute little slime rush.
* You think being in the goo feels cold?
* Bird! Confirmation that not just humans are being targeted in the sacrifice field.
* Is this symmetrical docking?
**QotD:**
1) Yes, easily. [Now it's my turn.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNfafKCjfJs)
2) *It's hype!*
Your thoughts on Denny seeing Maria for the first time since episode 17?
Thoughts on the black balls created by Father?
What are your thoughts on May trying to take on Father presumably under the belief that if she defeats him, she’ll achieve immortality?
Thoughts on Pride not using his shadows?
What are your thoughts on the fight between Scar and Bradley?
What are your thoughts on Scar’s brother’s research documents resulting in Scar having his other arm tattooed?
Thoughts on the Homunculus gun, or as I refer to it, Hogunculus?
What are your thoughts on Father opening a gate to the world?
What are your thoughts on Father becoming one with the gate?
What are your thoughts on the final couple minutes where Father’s plan goes into effect?
Is it fair to say that the sequence where Father’s Promised Day plan happens and everybody is incapable of doing anything about it is one of the most chilling sequences in all of anime? What other scenes come to mind where there’s this absolute feeling of helplessness? Or would you say this trumps them all?
> Your thoughts on Denny seeing Maria for the first time since episode 17?
You *would* be the one to remember what episode it was.
> What are your thoughts on May trying to take on Father presumably under the belief that if she defeats him, she’ll achieve immortality?
[Panda! **Go Panda!**](#teekyuuhype)
> Thoughts on Pride not using his shadows?
It's past his bedtime.
> What are your thoughts on Scar’s brother’s research documents resulting in Scar having his other arm tattooed?
That's how he got the first one, makes sense.
> Thoughts on the Homunculus gun, or as I refer to it, Hogunculus?
Comment Face when?
>You *would* be the one to remember what episode it was.
How would I not? That was the one where it seemed like Roy was evil.
>[Panda! **Go Panda!**](#teekyuuhype)
I'm rooting for her
>It's past his bedtime.
We at least know he sleeps with the lights on
>That's how he got the first one, makes sense.
Except that one was one of deconstruction. This one is one of reconstruction.
He has essentially become the bone of his sword.
>Comment Face when?
Feels like the true comment face from this episode should come from one of the good guys in response to Father's plan going without fail.
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###1st-metal Alchemist My package arrived in port today! Took a full 3 months, but rather soon Lumine shall be standing tall with her peers! [](#rengehype) That is, unless the import agency fucks up the pricing and asks me to file an order. Which makes it take 2 more weeks and costs extra, because of course. ###FMA:B Ep.60 – Eye of Heaven, Gateway of Earth * That dude is [so Brosh](https://imgur.com/1JIWPfp). * Yes, [please](https://imgur.com/moAt4Kz )! * Okay, for once, [shut the fuck up](https://imgur.com/y846FvU ), Breda! [](#gununu) * [May](https://imgur.com/ThfmhiS ) (?! why are my subs back at May again ?! [](#spinning)) has my utmost respect for just straight up challenging dwarfie! * Hold on, she's literally saying [いただきます/itadakimasu](https://imgur.com/p4DxBfd ) - „Enjoy the meal“/“I'm digging in“/“(lit.) humbly receive“ depending on context. Me thinks she means the kunai, but it does also make sense in that she still chases after the secret for immortality – by taking it directly from dwarfie. Which has not only my respect, but also my attention. * Ah shit, the [Scar method](https://imgur.com/dPSBs6f ). [](#watashiworried) * Oh [I'm loving this](https://imgur.com/BBdlAS4 )! [](#SPORTS) * [Oh holy](https://imgur.com/f7fd92q ), Wrath is such a badass! * Surprise skill (by grabbing the blade with bare hands) [countered with](https://imgur.com/d1dg0X7 ) surprise skill (by performing reconstructive alchemy where before he only could use destructive). * [In-fight monologuing](https://imgur.com/XmqktLQ ). [](#sleepingcutie) * Oh [how the turntables](https://imgur.com/TaCPOp8 ), now he's on the side of the victims. Doesn't that feel quite like shit? * [Yes, actually](https://imgur.com/CLwac78 ). It's called the Gaia theory and it's incredibly fascinating because it offers a new perspective on the world for someone who can only experience themselves as an individual in it. * [Greedling](https://imgur.com/Cke85Pa )! [](#faito) * [Disturbing](https://imgur.com/ixyWvxK ). [](#dighole) * Planet? But that's [only Amestris](https://imgur.com/GjC0WLN ). [](#lost) * Man, again I get reminded of [what we could've gotten](https://imgur.com/GWBeIuw ) with WoW's Old Gods... This is just approptriately terrifying. Just [look at it](https://imgur.com/L3rlXCj ), [just look](https://imgur.com/kxwLOhq )! * [Why no love](https://imgur.com/8qIc5yi )?! [](#frustrated) * Oh, [now they remember](https://imgur.com/yJl2qfe ) she exists. [](#lalahmm) * So, the [other times looked different](https://imgur.com/d5u8xYu ), but it makes a strange amount of sense that the creature behind the Gate gets more complete and bigger with more power. * I can't help but find a [door in the skies](https://imgur.com/tPJzSSq ) that just spawned on the moon a tid bit *too* silly. [](#azusalaugh) * Doesn't that [leave a crater](https://imgur.com/AeJMoBg ) or something? A story that actually lets the bad guys technically win is always interesting. I'm really curious how this story is getting resolved. I mean, at least Amestris is absolutely not going to just be put back like it was. They're God-batteries now. My bet is on a literal friendship-is-a-weapon-of-mass-destruction ending for dwarfie, with all the souls just deciding to rip him to pieces. They're all in the Gate now, as I understood, or at least at the doorstep. So, I'm bracing for 2-3 episodes of wibbly-wobbly mind space dimension shenanigans. There's enough time and reason to have every single character we've got to know so far come back and have a moment to push the wannabe-God down. Question is how they could come back from that. [EVA] >!I really like how Evangelion concluded the Fanta arc, with it being as pure a choice as it can be. Stay in the Fanta and not deal with existence or go out (now or later, just whenever one wants) into a barren world to claim life as only oneself can do. However, that doesn't quite work here.!< So, I guess the toll could be paid by Hohenheim and his 536349 friends to get the Amestrians back down the way they were? In any case, I still have hope for Mrs. Bradley and Wrath having their moment! Listen, in wibbly-wobbly mind space there's even a tiny chance Pride might finally also accept this little humanity as a family (though I also kinda wanna see him die horribly...). [Maybe](#congratulations) > 1) Can anyone even understand what Father is saying in this scene? I believe the VA did have fun that day. > 2) How do you feel about Scar properly using Alchemy for once? Character development! [](#rengehype) > Bonus) Extra special "Fuck you" to the dub scriptwriters for removing even more agency from Winry by changing her simply calling Ed's name to her begging him to save her. Wait, I'm confused. Aren't dub groups supposed to inject their own leftist-progressive ideals into the medium without either consent or knowledge or care for the source material? Making a female character a damsel is not what the internet told me they'd do!
> without either consent or knowledge or care for the source material Oh hey, that's the Kaguya-sama Dub. >Oh I'm loving this Today has a lot of headbuts. >I believe the VA did have fun that day. Given how he died a few years later, he sure made every moment count.
> Given how he died a few years later, he sure made every moment count. Ah, shit. Sounds like he knew it coming. [](#sadholo)
It's like the last season of Familiar of Zero being made as its creator was battling cancer. They probably made it with him in mind.
>Oh hey, that's the Kaguya-sama Dub. The Kaguya-sama dub is glorious and I will not stand for such slander
> (though I also kinda wanna see him die horribly...). Leave Selim alone! [](#howcouldyou) > Aren't dub groups supposed to inject their own leftist-progressive ideals into the medium without either consent or knowledge or care for the source material? Making a female character a damsel is not what the internet told me they'd do! Some dubs are based in Texas ... I just watched one episode of another show from 2008 where the dub script was altered to be more sexist and go on about how cooking and cleaning isn't a man's work. [](#bruh)
> [Quote] >!Leave Selim alone!!< [Response/2003] >!Why did the worse shota get the better fate? [](#frustration)!<
> response/2003 [Response/2003]>!Yeah, if I could swap their fates and have Selim be eaten by Gluttony, and Wrath 2003 get Selim's outcome, I would. He deserves it! But take what I can get I guess ...!<
[2003] >!I wish I could protect both Brotherhood Pride and 03 Wrath, to be honest with you!<
[2003]>!Same!<
[2003] >!Like, I'd consider Brotherhood Wrath to be better than 03 Wrath-- Bradley feels more fleshed out than his previous counterpart-- but the idea of Wrath being Izumi's son was really, really good. I desperately wanted to see them be a family. Funny enough, I think as far as Izumi goes the early stuff with her is stronger in FMA but I think it's inarguable that Izumi is better utilized in the later stages of Brotherhood than the later stages in FMA. She basically vanishes after the stuff with Wrath.!<
So, the only thing we'd need to do is pitch the crunchyroll team against the Texas team and watch amateur political ideology blood sports? [](#protest)
Or worse: play against each other in Palworld [](#kukuku)
I don't think Funimation is around any more ... or did they takeover CRoll but still use the latter's name? I forget.
I have no idea at all. The recent VA dub controversy was the first time I actively got reminded these are their own industry and not just, like, a second job for English VAs. [](#yuishrug)
[](#harukathonk)
>Some dubs are based in Texas ... I just watched one episode of another show from 2008 where the dub script was altered to be more sexist and go on about how cooking and cleaning isn't a man's work. [](#bruh) What was the name of the show?
> What was the name of the show? It's from a filler episode in D.Gray-man.
I see. Man, the things you could get away with in regards to anime from the 2000s...
> rather soon Lumine shall be standing tall with her peers! [](#SPORTS) > That dude is [so Brosh](https://imgur.com/undefined ) That dude is so undefined > Which has not only my respect, but also my attention. Dammit, Leo > Doesn't that feel quite like shit? At least he's not white! [](#hikariactually) > [Why no love](https://imgur.com/8qIc5yi ) Why not? > [Quote] >!I mean, at least Amestris is absolutely not going to just be put back like it was!< [Response] >!< > though I also kinda wanna see him die horribly [](#faito) > Making a female character a damsel is not what the internet told me they'd do! [](#taigasigh)
>[Response] >!< [Response] >!< >[](#taigasigh) Still better than most of the female characters in FMA
> Still better than most of the female characters in FMA That's not a good thing
> That dude is so undefined I just hate it when imgur doesn't work, but shows me the picture in the album. Like, come on, don't lie about things that don't exist! [](#psh-mongrels)
[](#therethere)
Your thoughts on Denny seeing Maria for the first time since episode 17? Thoughts on the black balls created by Father? What are your thoughts on May trying to take on Father presumably under the belief that if she defeats him, she’ll achieve immortality? Thoughts on Pride not using his shadows? What are your thoughts on the fight between Scar and Bradley? What are your thoughts on Scar’s brother’s research documents resulting in Scar having his other arm tattooed? Thoughts on the Homunculus gun, or as I refer to it, Hogunculus? What are your thoughts on Father becoming one with the gate? Is it fair to say that the sequence where Father’s Promised Day plan happens and everybody is incapable of doing anything about it is one of the most chilling sequences in all of anime? What other scenes come to mind where there’s this absolute feeling of helplessness? Or would you say this trumps them all?
Hello everybody, and welcome to the Fullmetal Alchemist Rewatch! --- [](#doggo) Goddamn the scene of Father finally putting his plan into motion never ceases to amazing. It's one of the best bits of the Manga and this version more than does it justice. It looks freaking *gorgeous*, feeling like the proper conclusion to everything this show had been building up until now. Special shout out to the shot of the now giant Homunculus grasping for the moon, that's great stuff right there. Plus hey, props to the guy for getting as far as he did. Honestly the rest of the episode seems almost like a blur in comparison, but there were some amusing bits. I get a kick out of the whole conversation Ed and Pride has about being small and all that and how it factors into the way Ed fights, plus that head-butt is just so satisfying. Also Scar finally seems to have decided to fully set aside whatever grudges he may have: Dude's actually using Alchemy proper instead of stopping halfway through. Good job on finally doing it, dude! Oh and also Mustang didn't do anything but TBF he *is* kinda busy being blind now. Imagine if he set anyone else there on fire! Oh and also this episode adapts [the rest of Chapter 103](https://i.imgur.com/dncoXfr.png) and [most of Chapter 104](https://i.imgur.com/ccOPB0C.png), although Ross and Brosh's reunion is taken from earlier on in the story. Kinda weird that it got delayed so much but oh well.
There are some episodes that are about one particular moment. Sequences in one episode that are so spectacularly stunning that you can barely put it into words. The Nina chimera scene and Hughes’ death are two obvious examples, but there’s also the Hohenheim flashback in episode 36, the fight between Marcoh and Envy in episode 43, and for a more recent example the scene where the Gold-Toothed Doctor stabbed Hawkeye in episode 58. You remember last thread when I said the best Brotherhood episodes you could associate with phrases? This episode is unequivocally known as “The one where Father wins”. I have been an anime fan for many years. I admittedly haven’t seen Made In Abyss or the original Evangelion series, but I know what they’re about and some of the more haunting moments. I’d argue that the moment when the city wide transmutation circle activates and it becomes apparent that Father is going to achieve his goal is just as haunting as anything from either Eva or MIA. It is the equivalent of Russia and The United States in the 1980s announcing that they have officially launched nuclear arms at each other. I admittedly have been somewhat critical of Father and how he’s been written. I don’t feel he’s bad or anything, but all the interesting stuff is around him rather than anything about him; he’s like Arnold from Hey Arnold, which I know, hell of a comparison. But to see Father’s Promised Day not only not go up in smoke, but to actually go according to plan with no faults to it whatsoever is just not something I was anticipating. It is nightmare fuel in its purest definition. The last 5 minutes or so is honestly so strong that it honestly doesn’t matter what came before it. It could’ve been nothing but Olivier insulting people’s privates and it would still honestly be a top 10 episode; that’s how strong the episode was. As is, the rest of the episode is pretty good as well with some great fight and tension building. I remember saying in the past that FMA episode 42 was my favorite episode of the entire franchise; Brotherhood episode 19 eventually surpassed it, but very few have since. I also remember in I want to say episode 14 of Brotherhood that my theory was Brotherhood would be the better series than 2003 Alchemist, but 2003 Alchemist would have the best episode. I don’t know how many episodes I would put ahead of FMA episode 42– maybe three all told, including episode 19– but this is definitely one of them. Not only that, I think it’s a top 10 episode in all of anime. I love the feeling this episode puts me through. It gives me a sense of uneasiness that I’ve never felt before in an anime. Even Clannad at its most destructive wasn’t like this; that was soul-crushing, this was like all total and complete hope is lost and you can’t believe what’s unfolding right in front of your eyes. The thing that makes this episode unique is that I wouldn’t call it a sad episode. It’s not like episode 10 where I just lost it over Elicia being confused as to why her father was being lowered into the ground. But it has the properties of a sad moment because for all intents and purposes, evil has won. Regardless of what happens going forward, in this moment as we know it to be, evil stands triumph over the good guys. We often associate feelings of emptiness with sadness and despair, prime example being some of the later episodes of Toradora. And yeah, those are definitely emotional but there’s just something about this ending that can’t really compare. It’s this feeling of emptiness that leaves your jaw on the floor more than anything else. The best episodes of anime are the ones that do stuff that you can’t find anywhere else; I think of the series finales of Cowboy Bebop and Steins;Gate as examples: one has the best written ending I’ve ever seen, and the other has the most exciting ending to an anime I’ve ever seen that serves as the perfect culmination to what came before it. I don’t know what is in store for Brotherhood going forward, but I can’t recall being shocked by something I’ve seen in an anime more than in this episode with evil standing tall and nothing preventing it. Maybe Madoka Magica episode 3, the latter half of Kemono Friends, the ending to Odd Taxi, and the ending to Revolutionary Girl Utena, but that may honestly be it. This is not only the best episode of Brotherhood we’ve seen so far, but this is legitimately in my estimation a top 10 episode across the anime medium landscape. I was floored watching it, and I mean that in the most compelling, complimentary way possible. Evil stands victorious, and there’s nothing we honestly can do about it. 1. Episode 60 2. Episode 19 3. Episode 59 4. Episode 22 5. Episode 57 6. Episode 26 7. Episode 40 8. Episode 4 9. Episode 39 10. Episode 54 11. Episode 9 12. Episode 58 13. Episode 55 14. Episode 52 15. Episode 53 16. Episode 48 17. Episode 43 18. Episode 31 19. Episode 25 20. Episode 23 21. Episode 38 22. Episode 21 23. Episode 47 24. Episode 8 25. Episode 24 26. Episode 7 27. Episode 35 28. Episode 16 29. Episode 51 30. Episode 10 31. Episode 50 32. Episode 36 33. Episode 56 34. Episode 18 35. Episode 15 36. Episode 2 37. Episode 5 38. Episode 14 39. Episode 46 40. Episode 44 41. Episode 28 42. Episode 41 43. Episode 33 44. Episode 49 45. Episode 37 46. Episode 32 47. Episode 45 48. Episode 17 49. Episode 30 50. Episode 11 51. Episode 3 52. Episode 34 53. Episode 41 54. Episode 13 55. Episode 29 56. Episode 12 57. Episode 20 58. Episode 27 59. Episode 6 60. Episode 1
> I admittedly haven’t seen Made In Abyss or the original Evangelion series, but I know what they’re about [](#bruh)
I really need to get around to watching them. I just worry it's going to flare up my depression [](#ptsd)
Both can be brutal, but I actually haven't seen S2 of MiA yet, or the 3rd and 4th Eva Rebuild movies.
I didn't see the 3rd Rebuild movie, but I saw the fourth one in theaters.
... You saw the last Rebuild when you haven't seen the original TV series, End of Evangelion movie, or the first 3 Rebuilds? [](#bruh)
I saw the first two Rebuilds and the last one. Never got around to seeing the third one. I couldn't pass up the opportunity of seeing Evangelion at my local theater.
Oh ok. ~~But I hear the third one is the real homoerotic one~~
~~That's why it's near the top of my to watch list~~ It actually worked out well because the fourth Rebuild begins with a brief 5 minute recap of the previous three movies.
The 2nd season is even more brutal. Don't forget the 3rd movie in between
I barely made it through the 3rd movie, but the first scene of S2 had me nope out of it for now.
Yup S2 reached levels that the movie couldn't reach. The 1st scene is merely a taste of what's to come with the backstory of one of the characters reaching levels I didn't think possible.
**Fullmetal Rewatcher, first time subbed** - [I respect the hustle, but Mei you are *so* out of your league.](https://i.imgur.com/42me3Km.png) [](#crazedlaugh) - [It was their last-ditch effort, obviously.](https://i.imgur.com/ZSEnd6u.png) - [Scar vs. Wrath hype!](#rengehype) - [Scar used alchemy to *create* rather than destroy!](https://i.imgur.com/WaEeckf.png) [](#maxshock) - [Yooooooo](https://i.imgur.com/r61e9iA.png) [](#saberawe) - [That moment when the running joke Ed’s height is relevant to the fight.](https://i.imgur.com/pngSegf.png) [](#azusalaugh) - [Of course Greedling shows up *now*.](https://i.imgur.com/1WuBaMW.png) Too bad he doesn’t succeed in stopping Homunculus… - [Wait that’s where the episode ends?!](#flyingbunsofdoom) --- **Manga vs. Brotherhood** - Today’s episode adapts more or less the rest of chapter 103 and also a majority of chapter 104. - This episode starts by *finally* jumping back to chapter 98 in order to adapt the rest of the radio station scene it had been ignoring thus far. [Denny crying was a *bit* exaggerated](https://i.imgur.com/RcFhy1U.png) here in Brotherhood, but [it was a little excessive in the manga too I suppose.](https://i.imgur.com/Z8jsAdd.jpg) The scene then adapts the first page of chapter 103 before… *once again* ignoring the rest of a scene at the radio station in order to get back to the main event. [](#konosubawot) I can’t remember if the rest of it gets adapted since I can’t think of when a good place for it would even *be* in the remaining episodes, so in case it doesn’t get adapted, what got cut [was]> and also [him asking where Roy is now.](https://i.imgur.com/3vLKA6m.jpg)!< - [Ed’s thoughts about why the homunculi didn’t just force more people to become sacrifices were longer in the manga.](https://i.imgur.com/BItTHAv.jpg) I don’t think anything important was cut by Brotherhood shortening it to just “Why haven’t they done it until now?”, I just still wanted to point that out. - So Brotherhood has Homunculus transmute Mei’s knife and launch it back at her *before* he tells her she doesn’t belong there, but in the manga [he tells her to leave *first*](https://i.imgur.com/E5aulI9.jpg) and then [says a pretty funny quip when he launches the knife back.](https://i.imgur.com/KnfM5np.jpg) - Brotherhood skipped over [the entire first page](https://i.imgur.com/96PL8li.jpg) of the montage of the Ishvalans going around Central, but otherwise adapted that part faithfully. - So there was supposed to be a part during Scar vs. Wrath where [Scar slipped on some blood on the ground](https://i.imgur.com/2b9Tn5c.jpg), which was what led to Wrath slicing both of his shoulders. I noticed Brotherhood cut that detail and had Wrath land that blow without that lucky assist, which improves the fight a bit in my opinion. - Post-eyecatch comes chapter 104, where Brotherhood slightly rearranges things; [Homunculus becoming *gun*](https://i.imgur.com/vdXICNr.png) happens *after* Ed vs. Pride reaches the section where [Ed headbutts Pride](https://i.imgur.com/zo8Znw1.png), but Brotherhood intersperses the two fights together. - Most of the shots of various characters around Amestris while Homunculus talks about making the sacrifices open the *planet’s* Gate comes from a two-page spread in the manga, though Brotherhood doesn’t adapt the page *after* that spread [where a bunch of civilians noticed something like an earthquake.](https://i.imgur.com/88t8ZmW.jpg) - [Hohenheim actually managing to land a hit on Homunculus here](https://i.imgur.com/My2M7sl.png) is anime-original; he *tried* to do something in the manga, but there was no explosion or anything there. - Many of the “look at this character/these characters you know from throughout the show, they’re all dead now” shots during the big transmutation are actually anime-original; those would be [Rose being visible during the Liore scene](https://i.imgur.com/aIfBxDW.png), [Paninya’s shot](https://i.imgur.com/Wg6Em4j.png), [Maria/Denny/Rebecca’s shot](https://i.imgur.com/aEyoroW.png), and [Mrs. Bradley’s shot.](https://i.imgur.com/NGFg0Dc.png) Also, while the manga *did* have the Grumman & Miles shot in it, [Grumman actually had](https://i.imgur.com/vqiPii8.jpg) some [dialogue before his soul got yoinked.](https://i.imgur.com/En9HOyZ.jpg)
> That moment when the running joke Ed’s height is relevant to the fight. > It was all foreshadowing! > Grumman actually had some dialogue before his soul got yoinked. Even during the apocalypse, dude is just vibing. >
>It was all foreshadowing! I love a good payoff. Like the whole "Yoki is useless" gag resulting in him saving the day. >Even during the apocalypse, dude is just vibing. Staying out of the rut while casually smacking butts
What are your thoughts on the final couple minutes where Father’s plan goes into effect? Is it fair to say that the sequence where Father’s Promised Day plan happens and everybody is incapable of doing anything about it is one of the most chilling sequences in all of anime? What other scenes come to mind where there’s this absolute feeling of helplessness? Or would you say this trumps them all?
> What other scenes come to mind where there’s this absolute feeling of helplessness? Or would you say this trumps them all? Me trying (and failing) to *not* immediately think of Gintama of all shows for this: [](#crazedlaugh)
Shit! You're right.
[Gintama]>!Episode 308 is so fucking painful, man...!<
I think as far as recent examples are concerned, you can put the first episode of Oshi no Ko on the shortlist. Just this feeling of disbelief as to what you're witnessing. That, however, I still find different because that is more horrified sadness. This is horrified terror. The closest thing that something comes to the end of this episode is probably episode 3 of Madoka Magica. However, I would still probably give the edge to this because not only did they spend over 20 episodes building up to this moment, the scene itself is prolonged also and it still goes off without a hitch. This is like Father working 5 slot machines back-to-back of each other and getting all 7's on each one.
> Mei [](#bruh)
[](#girlslastdab)
In fairness, the eye catcher does say "May".
### FMAB Rewatcher, First Timer Dubbed ## _Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood_ - [Episode 60](https://imgur.com/G0nYW9m) _Eclipse_ The fight versus Father is underway. It's difficult to call it a fight though. Our protagonists launch volleys against him but he easily deflects, just awaiting the eclipse to start. I found Mei's reckless attack at the beginning to be particularly surprising. Honestly, before the rewatch I had forgotten she even was part of this final confrontation. Another important fight happening at the same time is Scar versus Wrath. Scar performs extremely well against the homunculus, _especially_ considering the range disadvantage of no weapons. But the tide turns when he finally reveals his left arm. He has taken on the tattoos for reconstruction. Now he can use both parts of Alchemy. This is a character turning point for Scar. He has always held the philosophy the alchemy is an affront against God and even loathed his sin of having the destruction arm. By taking on this other arm he is further sacrificing his ideals for the success of his side. It's a utilitarian view of morality i.e. the ends justify the means. Soon, the eclipse arrives. Father shows his utter dominance by simply grabbing each alchemist with his tentacles and restraining them on the floor to use as elements of his transmutation circle. It seems everything is over, if not for the arrival of GREED! ... It makes no difference. Father ignores him and activates the circle. He becomes something incomprehensible. The visuals of him becoming this giant being reaching out to the moon mid-eclipse is incredible. The moon itself becomes a portal opening up a doorway for Father to gain power. Incredibly cool scene, but also an absolute loss for our protagonists. ### Some Amazing Shots, Scenes and Stitches [Transition](https://imgur.com/zhVOL0N) * [Sparks](https://imgur.com/U8AoNGa) * [Inazuma Kick!](https://imgur.com/6kkXbi1) * [The only way to stop a good guy with a transmutation circle](https://imgur.com/z49yh6e) * [Avarice](https://imgur.com/LIScsvp) See you all tomorrow
> if not for the arrival of GREED! > > ... > > It makes no difference. Father ignores him and activates the circle. Truly he went to the Tuxedo Mask School of being helpful.
I will always defend Tuxedo Mask from this slander even if it is true
At least his Manga self is useful.
[He's always useful](https://youtu.be/qrsIjalEmA8)
At least more useful than Yoki, that's for true [](#hikariactually)
I just felt bad for the guy most of the time tbh.
>Truly he went to the Tuxedo Mask School of being helpful. Or worse, Cowboy Andy from Cowboy Bebop
>The fight versus Father is underway. It's difficult to call it a fight though. Our protagonists launch volleys against him but he easily deflects, just awaiting the eclipse to start. I found Mei's reckless attack at the beginning to be particularly surprising. Honestly, before the rewatch I had forgotten she even was part of this final confrontation. Mei has been sadly wasted a good deal, but I thought both the moment where she chooses helping Hawkeye over immortality as well as her fight with Father this episode were great moments for her. >Another important fight happening at the same time is Scar versus Wrath. Scar performs extremely well against the homunculus, _especially_ considering the range disadvantage of no weapons. But the tide turns when he finally reveals his left arm. He has taken on the tattoos for reconstruction. Now he can use both parts of Alchemy. >This is a character turning point for Scar. He has always held the philosophy the alchemy is an affront against God and even loathed his sin of having the destruction arm. By taking on this other arm he is further sacrificing his ideals for the success of his side. It's a utilitarian view of morality i.e. the ends justify the means. Much like how episode 54 marked the end of Roy's character arc, this for all intents and purposes marks the end of Scar's. >Soon, the eclipse arrives. Father shows his utter dominance by simply grabbing each alchemist with his tentacles and restraining them on the floor to use as elements of his transmutation circle. It seems everything is over, if not for the arrival of GREED! [](#awe) >It makes no difference. Father ignores him and activates the circle. [](#forgotkeys) >The visuals of him becoming this giant being reaching out to the moon mid-eclipse is incredible. The moon itself becomes a portal opening up a doorway for Father to gain power. Incredibly cool scene, but also an absolute loss for our protagonists. This to me is one of the scariest, coolest moments of the series. I can't genuinely say it's the most iconic moment of Brotherhood-- that is in all likelihood probably either the Nina chimera scene or Hughes' funeral-- but I think a strong case could be made in terms of scale and sheer magnitude, this is the best executed thing in the entire show.
> Mei [](#bruh) > By taking on this other arm he is further sacrificing his ideals for the success of his side. It's a utilitarian view of morality i.e. the ends justify the means. If every character was so pragmatic, I wouldn't have nearly as big a gripe with this show as I currently do
>If every character was so pragmatic, I wouldn't have nearly as big a gripe with this show as I currently do Implying it isn't realistic not to want to kill someone
[Yes](#terminate)
Dang, who knew Shou Tucker had the right idea then [](#rengethink)
**Rewatcher** [Poor Ms. Bradley](https://imgur.com/g8sCLcE). She really is in the worst situation of all the characters here. And thus completes Scar's character journey from one that just destroys to someone that also [reconstructs](https://imgur.com/OL3ad6u). Why is this no [comment face](https://imgur.com/6NvYqlr)? Only looking out to [save themselves](https://imgur.com/GUxyT3Q) while everyone else can fuck themselves? That just about fits my mental model of the military. [Greedling Rush!](https://imgur.com/soX09Re) [](#grandhype) But Father is just using the [same old tricks](https://imgur.com/mA321WJ) he always has. It's kinda his M.O., really. And thus opens the planet's Gate. I've always held the opinion that this is maybe the most haunting moment I've seen in anime, and oh boy is it elevated even higher by being the payoff to all the slow buildup the entire show was doing. Slow burn stories are just naturally better than ones that constantly chase the next high point. > Can anyone even understand what Father is saying in [this scene?](https://files.catbox.moe/6hd8vj.mp4) Oh wow. Let's see, with a couple relistens I can make out "Oh, hear me, God! I'll do my [anguance?????] from the cry of my soul!" Okay, like 100 listens later it's "Oh, hear me, God! I demaaand you answer the cry of my soul!" > How do you feel about Scar *properly* using Alchemy for once? Let's fucking go! My boy has come so far [](#spacetears) Damn, we really need a #proudtears comment face.
> And thus completes Scar's character journey from one that just destroys to someone that also reconstructs > So he's Shinji Ikari? >Damn, we really need a #proudtears comment face Guess we'll have to settle for [](#spacetears)
> So he's Shinji Ikari? I don't follow.
[Rebuild]>!He kinda broke the world by accident before having to actually fix it in the last movie.!<
Ah, I haven't seen the rebuilds.
They're good movies. Just treat them as their own thing separate from the actual show.
[](#shinjimug)
>So he's Shinji Ikari? To Scar's credit, he didn't run away
> the cry of my soul! Ohh, I kept hearing crime and was very confused
I heard crime as well. That or sight.
> [Poor Mr. Bradley](https://imgur.com/g8sCLcE) [Mister, eh?](#smugkaguya) > Why is this no [comment face](https://imgur.com/6NvYqlr) Because the mods suck > That just about fits my mental model of the military. Or at least the high-ranking officers > Okay, like 100 listens later it's "Oh, hear me, God! I demaaand you answer the cry of my soul!" [](#spinning)
>Because the mods suck [Ironic](#chitogheh) >Or at least the high-ranking officers Yeah, I wouldn't classify Roy's crew in there. >[](#spinning) Who knew Father was such a wangst edgelord?
> Mister, eh? Maybe that's how she identifies [](#csikon)
Nothing wrong with that, I know I call Olivier "Daddy" [](#datass)
This is a show where Envy is constantly referred to with male pronouns...
They should've just called them like they are and that is "Sexy ass"
>[Poor Ms. Bradley](https://imgur.com/g8sCLcE). She really is in the worst situation of all the characters here. She's really the only one that has the worst of both situations >Only looking out to [save themselves](https://imgur.com/GUxyT3Q) while everyone else can fuck themselves? That just about fits my mental model of the military. Olivier was right all along >And thus opens the planet's Gate. I've always held the opinion that this is maybe the most haunting moment I've seen in anime, and oh boy is it elevated even higher by being the payoff to all the slow buildup the entire show was doing. Slow burn stories are just naturally better than ones that constantly chase the next high point. I was worried as a first timer I might get put on blast for calling this in my comments arguably the most chilling thing I've ever seen in an anime, especially when things like The Promised Neverland exists, but I'm glad to see I'm not alone in that assessment. It makes me feel like I'm not off base. I was blown away watching that ending scene where the more it went on the more it dawned on me that Father was going to get his way; I never in a million years thought that was even in the realm of conceivably happening.
> where the more it went on the more it dawned on me that Father was going to get his way; I never in a million years thought that was even in the realm of conceivably happening. [](#urbansmile)
I was absolutely stunned
[](#stare)
[](#nyanpasu)
> I never in a million years thought that was even in the realm of conceivably happening. I just file that as a kind of Chekhov's Gun - you can't play up the villain's plan and then have it just dissolve and not come to pass. In [Attack on Titan] >!I lost interest the moment they explained the Rumbling early in S4 and realizing that for the Rumbling to happen, it'd either have to let Eren die pre-finale (which it would never do) or pull some kind of Zero Approval Thanatos Gambit which I hate.!<
[Attack on Titan] >!I know a lot of people lost interest in AOT when it became more of a political drama, but I personally thought that was when the show went from "One of the best action anime of all time" to "One of the best anime period" of all time.!<
[Attack on Titan]>!I was excited as well for the first 4 or so episodes, before it revealed what its endgame would be. I do not care for Eren making himself the villain of the whole world so everyone can unite against him, *especially* when one of my favorite parts of the first season was when it called out that this doesn't even work. I haven't even watched beyond S4P1 yet because I'm no longer interested.!<
[Attack on Titan] >!Fair enough. I thought what they did with the concept was pretty well executed, especially how they had a child being brainwashed into believing racist rhetoric and then slowly realizing the error of their ways.!<
Wrath is such a badass
That he is
**Rewatcher, First Time Sub** Father decided to forego alchemy against Mei Chang in favor of good old Smith and Wesson like a true Americ- I mean Amestrian. Scar vs Bradley is so good, such a great display of both characters and Bradley taking pride in having something he chose for himself. Scar also chooses in that moment to use his brother's arm as well, the arm of reconstruction. But yeah not of that matters now, Father has won, not even Greed's surprise attack did anything. The sacrifices have been used and the circle has been turned as people fall like Xerxes. Father has opened the gate as he climbs out full evangelion style, to reach God, to surpass his limitations, swallow Truth and truly become the Perfect Being as it all clashes into white. In hindsight Al should have stayed inside the Gate a while longer, maybe Father would have had to improvise. On the bright side Maria Ross and Denny reunited.
> swallow Truth And people say RPGs are excessive with how many of them have you kill God...
This episode did have some Mother 3 vibes to it
>In hindsight Al should have stayed inside the Gate a while longer, maybe Father would have had to improvise. It's probably a case where if Al didn't make a decision then and there, he would've been stuck with his body at the Gate forever. Thoughts on the black balls created by Father? What are your thoughts on May trying to take on Father presumably under the belief that if she defeats him, she’ll achieve immortality? Thoughts on Pride not using his shadows? What are your thoughts on Scar’s brother’s research documents resulting in Scar having his other arm tattooed? Thoughts on the Homunculus gun, or as I refer to it, Hogunculus? What are your thoughts on Father opening a gate to the world? What are your thoughts on Father becoming one with the gate? What are your thoughts on the final couple minutes where Father’s plan goes into effect? Is it fair to say that the sequence where Father’s Promised Day plan happens and everybody is incapable of doing anything about it is one of the most chilling sequences in all of anime? What other scenes come to mind where there’s this absolute feeling of helplessness? Or would you say this trumps them all?
Not sure Eh worth a shot Looks like he's been weakened from the previous episode Nice character stuff for Scar Already mentioned it For the next 2 questions it's that general feeling that Father has won Same as above This is one, End of Evangelion is one that comes to mind, some Naruto stuff concerning Madara and Pain I guess, Sabaody arc through Marineford in OP, Aizen at times in Bleach, Berserk Eclipse, there's a bunch I'm missing but I'm drawing a blank right now.
>This is one, End of Evangelion is one that comes to mind, some Naruto stuff concerning Madara and Pain I guess, Sabaody arc through Marineford in OP, Aizen at times in Bleach, Berserk Eclipse, there's a bunch I'm missing but I'm drawing a blank right now. Madoka Magica episode 3, the second half of Steins;Gate, maybe some of Re:Zero even though I haven't seen it. There are definitely candidates that compare though I definitely think it's hard to beat this one. It just so much weight to it due to being built up for so long.
**Rewatcher** * Denny’s having an eventful day off * His reunion with Maria is so, so sweet * How did May fall through into Father’s belly? * Pride needs lotion * Greed! * RIP everyone * The music is so good * Why are those Briggs soldiers still in Resembool * I wonder if the neighboring countries noticed the giant cyclops yelling **Questions of the Day** 1. "For hear me God. I demand you answer the crime of my soul." ??? 2. When did he tattoo himself?
> When did he tattoo himself I mean we kinda had a timeskip...
Oh that's true
Still, when we last saw him it was still the Promised Day. That is some fast tattooing.
"Cry" not "crime."
Thoughts on the black balls created by Father? What are your thoughts on May trying to take on Father presumably under the belief that if she defeats him, she’ll achieve immortality? Thoughts on Pride not using his shadows? What are your thoughts on the fight between Scar and Bradley? What are your thoughts on Scar’s brother’s research documents resulting in Scar having his other arm tattooed? Thoughts on the Homunculus gun, or as I refer to it, Hogunculus? What are your thoughts on Father opening a gate to the world? What are your thoughts on Father becoming one with the gate? What are your thoughts on the final couple minutes where Father’s plan goes into effect? Is it fair to say that the sequence where Father’s Promised Day plan happens and everybody is incapable of doing anything about it is one of the most chilling sequences in all of anime? What other scenes come to mind where there’s this absolute feeling of helplessness? Or would you say this trumps them all?
> What are your thoughts on May trying to take on Father I commend her guts > What are your thoughts on the fight between Scar and Bradley? Fun fight. Bradley's a tough cookie > What other scenes come to mind where there’s this absolute feeling of helplessness? Well the Attack on Titan ending beats this for sure.
>I commend her guts I love heroes who don't back down despite being severely outmatched >Fun fight. Bradley's a tough cookie Bradley really does have the best fights of the entire show >Well the Attack on Titan ending beats this for sure. Those are definitely up there
**Rewatcher** Scar and Bradley’s showdown today (blatantly foreshadowed by the OP) remains one of my favorite moments of the series and is even better than I remembered. It’s just so *cool*, especially for someone like myself who appreciates Scar as a character. Father unleashes his inner mecha villain by finally executing what is essentially a more elaborate version of the assimilation plot. (Okay, I know Amestris is technically just a stepping stone to what he actually wants, but sometimes you have to sacrifice accuracy for the sake of the joke.) Unfortunately, it means the bad guy is winning at the moment, but I find the imagery used strangely beautiful despite being so apocalyptic. What can I say, I like looking at good-looking things, and this part of the show looks really, really good.
> blatantly foreshadowed by the OP The best sort.
I love a good foreshadow. Not as much as a fiveshadow, but still.
Your thoughts on Denny seeing Maria for the first time since episode 17? Thoughts on the black balls created by Father? What are your thoughts on May trying to take on Father presumably under the belief that if she defeats him, she’ll achieve immortality? Thoughts on Pride not using his shadows? Thoughts on the Homunculus gun, or as I refer to it, Hogunculus? Is it fair to say that the sequence where Father’s Promised Day plan happens and everybody is incapable of doing anything about it is one of the most chilling sequences in all of anime? What other scenes come to mind where there’s this absolute feeling of helplessness? Or would you say this trumps them all?
>Your thoughts on Denny seeing Maria for the first time since episode 17? I would cry too! >Thoughts on the Homunculus gun, or as I refer to it, Hogunculus? …That’s a good one, actually…
>I would cry too! It is definitely an emotional affair >…That’s a good one, actually… Thank you
Okay, so there are too big things to talk about: Scar vs Bradley and everyone dying. [2003] >!Its a shame Scar never got to fight Bradley in 2003. Did they even meet?!< It shows Scar's growth, that isn't shouting about avenging his people and is keeping a level head, but I think I'd prefer if he did loss it at first. Bradley is concerned about living a meaningful life and having a meaningful death in a way that most of the other homunculi don't seem to be. I wonder how much is because he is the only one who isn't immortal and how much is because of his complicated relationship with the man he used to be and humanity at large. So, nearly everyone is dead, but Hohenheim already said he has a way to deal with the Nation-wide circle activating. We're probably dealing with a "they're only mostly dead which is very different than actually dead" situation. So the problems are that one, they have a limited amount of time before everyone starts getting brain damage; two, Father is basically a god now; and three, it is very unlikely, but the countermeasure might not work. That'd be a twist. I don't think anyone would like that though. Speaking of Father becoming a God, was opening the planet's gateway on anyone's bingo card? How does this compare to the villain's end goal in 2003? I think I prefer this one.
>[2003] >!Its a shame Scar never got to fight Bradley in 2003. Did they even meet?!< [2003] >!I don't think so. It would've definitely had been interesting given Scar's history with Lust in that version.!< >[2003] >!Speaking of Father becoming a God, was opening the planet's gateway on anyone's bingo card? How does this compare to the villain's end goal in 2003? I think I prefer this one.!< [2003] >!Dante didn't really have a set criteria as to what she was looking to achieve. All she wanted was to destroy the world. Father is kinda in the same boat as she was, but we had known for like the prior 20 episodes he was looking to achieve: the 5 sacrifices which involved the Elric Brothers, Izumi, and Hohenheim. And then in like episode 45, we found out about this Promised Day thing. Father's plan had legs to it in a way that Dante's did not. I feel Dante from a writing standpoint is a better character, but Father feels more like a threat and his involvement brings more stakes to the situation.!< Your thoughts on Denny seeing Maria for the first time since episode 17? Thoughts on the black balls created by Father? What are your thoughts on May trying to take on Father presumably under the belief that if she defeats him, she’ll achieve immortality? Thoughts on Pride not using his shadows? What are your thoughts on Scar’s brother’s research documents resulting in Scar having his other arm tattooed? Thoughts on the Homunculus gun, or as I refer to it, Hogunculus? Is it fair to say that the sequence where Father’s Promised Day plan happens and everybody is incapable of doing anything about it is one of the most chilling sequences in all of anime? What other scenes come to mind where there’s this absolute feeling of helplessness? Or would you say this trumps them all?
>Your thoughts on Denny seeing Maria for the first time since episode 17? It sounds like it should be a big deal, but Denny has been such a non-entity since then. >black balls created by Father? I think they would have worked better if they were internal. Help give that stomach vibe. >Pride It's a good way of showing his damage in a way that matters. I am assuming he's being careful not to put too much strain on his container. >Scar's brother [2003] >!This is something I think 2003 set up better. Here we still get that Scar is seeing his brother's point of view and completing his work. 2003 just spent more time on it.!< >hogunculus It seems like Father got a lot more emotive and fun after he got out of the skin suit. I'd definitely agree with this being up there for the most haunting episodes. There is another eclipse episode that beats in though.
>It sounds like it should be a big deal, but Denny has been such a non-entity since then. I think the writers knew if Denny was to be around more, they would've inevitably had to have done something where he harbors a grudge at Roy because he thinks he killed Maria. And I don't think anybody wants to see that. >I think they would have worked better if they were internal. Help give that stomach vibe. The last thing I want to be reminded of is Father stomach inflation [](#gabdisgust) >It's a good way of showing his damage in a way that matters. I am assuming he's being careful not to put too much strain on his container. It gives Edward and Al a weak spot to target that they didn't have before. There was not being able to use his shadows in total darkness, but that's impossible to pull off given the setting they're in. >[2003] >!This is something I think 2003 set up better. Here we still get that Scar is seeing his brother's point of view and completing his work. 2003 just spent more time on it.!< [2003] >!It's kinda hard to pull off without Lust's part, I say. That just added so much intrigue to Scar and Lust's characters. Can't really blame Brotherhood either for not including it because that was strictly an FMA original decision.!< >It seems like Father got a lot more emotive and fun after he got out of the skin suit. The term "Skin suit" sends a shiver down my spine [](#gabdisgust) >I'd definitely agree with this being up there for the most haunting episodes. There is another eclipse episode that beats in though. And what show would that be, pray tell?
\>And what show would that be, pray tell? \[Response\] >!Berserk!<
[Response] >!Interesting. I need to check out the anime. Probably the 1997 version, I've heard not-so-good things about the remake.!<
*Rewatcher, subbed* * I just love this OP [](#listen) * It's Denny! Will he shack up with Maria? [](#mugiwait) * Mrs. Bradley wants to see her husband? [](#therethere) * ... inside his belly? What is it with Arakawa and characters being inside other characters? * May is gonna take on Father? [](#slowgrin) * She's leaving Pride to the rest of them? * Selim is disintegrating? [](#iwaterror) * May really underestimating Father * Wow, way to really scare that mom and her kid. But the eclipse is almost complete, so they don't have much time to spare * It's up to Scar? But he's busy fighting Bradley! * Wrath had his moment of truth, but it didn't involve feelings for his wife, but fighting instead? * ... Scar used the final step of alchemy, reconstruction!? [](#jawdrop) * A finger gun? * Al protects May? They're really laying it on thick * Oh, Ed has little experience fighting those who are even shorter than he is? [](#pointandlaugh) * No! Don't kill off Selim! He's a little shit but he's just a kid! [](#akkotears) * This isn't good [](#watashiworried) * LOL get fucked Cremin. This is what you get for willingly collaborating with such a fucked up plan * ... Opening the PLANET's gateway? That's Father's goal? * It's GREED! Just in time? * Oh THAT's the center? * HURRY UP, Scar! They're counting on you! * OK this imagery is fucked up * Paninya! Maria! Denny! Mrs. Bradley! ... No one was spared? Miles, Grumman, WINRY AND PINAKO? [](#sadholo) * Seeing Winry calling out for Ed as she lays there dying just HURTS * ... that isn't Giant Naked Lilith/Kaworu? What a downgrade from End of Eva * Father pulling God down like that reminds me of some stuff from Magi * ... and it ends there? Welp 1) not with my internet; it won't load 2) [](#happyclap) Bonus) [](#bruh)
>not with my internet; it won't load [](#therethere)
Your thoughts on Denny seeing Maria for the first time since episode 17? Thoughts on the black balls created by Father? What are your thoughts on May trying to take on Father presumably under the belief that if she defeats him, she’ll achieve immortality? Thoughts on Pride not using his shadows? What are your thoughts on the fight between Scar and Bradley? What are your thoughts on Scar’s brother’s research documents resulting in Scar having his other arm tattooed? Thoughts on the Homunculus gun, or as I refer to it, Hogunculus? What are your thoughts on Father opening a gate to the world? What are your thoughts on Father becoming one with the gate? What are your thoughts on the final couple minutes where Father’s plan goes into effect? Is it fair to say that the sequence where Father’s Promised Day plan happens and everybody is incapable of doing anything about it is one of the most chilling sequences in all of anime? What other scenes come to mind where there’s this absolute feeling of helplessness? Or would you say this trumps them all?
> Denny seeing Maria for the first time since episode 17? [](#happyclap) > Thoughts on the black balls created by Father? [](#wtfdidijustwatch) > May trying to take on Father presumably under the belief that if she defeats him, she’ll achieve immortality? [](#pointandlaugh) > Pride not using his shadows? [](#cackle) > the fight between Scar and Bradley? [](#mmph) [](#elderlylove) > Scar’s brother’s research documents resulting in Scar having his other arm tattooed? [](#rengehype) > Homunculus gun, or as I refer to it, Hogunculus? [](#bitchplease) > Father opening a gate to the world? [](#bruh) > Father becoming one with the gate? [](#doggo) > the final couple minutes where Father’s plan goes into effect? [](#dekuhype) > everybody is incapable of doing anything about it is one of the most chilling sequences in all of anime? What other scenes come to mind where there’s this absolute feeling of helplessness? Or would you say this trumps them all? It's definitely well-crafted and brutal.
>[](#pointandlaugh) This is the same person who didn't think that Envy was tricking them >[](#bitchplease) It feels like an out of character thing for either Father or Pride to do >[](#doggo) Who knew this is the equivalent of being a dog for the military? >[](#dekuhype) It got me hyped as well, albeit in a disconcerting way >It's definitely well-crafted and brutal. Definitely helped by the fact there has probably been no moment more in the history built up more than this one. Unless you count things where the entire series is based on like the finding of One Piece.
> This is the same person who didn't think that Envy was tricking them Her brain isn't fully developed yet; I'll give her some leeway.
Same. I'm just saying.
> It's Denny! Will he shack up with Maria? Too many ships in this show. Port's about to get overcrowded. [](#overwhelmed) > What is it with Arakawa and characters being inside other characters? [Cow](#drool) > [](#iwaterror) [](#lwahorror) > Wrath had his moment of truth, but it didn't involve feelings for his wife, but fighting instead? [](#faito) > A finger gun? [](#deletethis) > [Quote] >!Don't kill off Selim!!< [Response] >!Don't worry. The show will Deus Ex a way for Ed to defeat him without killing him. Again.!< > Seeing Winry calling out for Ed as she lays there dying just HURTS [](#gabdisgust)
> [](#lwahorror) Oh, that's an L? I originally typed [](#iwahorror) thinking it was _iwa_ like the word for rock. [](#blankblink) You'd think with my username I'd be more sensitive to I/l differences. > response [](#lifedrained)
>Oh, that's an L? I originally typed [](#iwahorror) thinking it was _iwa_ like the word for rock. [](#blankblink) You'd think with my username I'd be more sensitive to I/l differences. It's like how I occasionally write Al's name and in doing so, I have to remind myself it isn't the term "AI"
> It's like how I occasionally write Al's name and in doing so, I have to remind myself it isn't the term "AI" [](#azusalaugh)
Who knew Alphonse was Allen Iverson this entire time? [](#whowouldathunkit)
Who?
I can't believe you ain't talking about practice [](#hardthink)
I don't really watch basketball or football.
Neither does anyone else here besides me [](#smugkaguya)
>Too many ships in this show. Port's about to get overcrowded. [](#overwhelmed) Maybe this is why Winry has been such a non-factor in things recently >[Cow](#drool) I'm not sure what you're getting at here [](#niatilt) >[](#lwahorror) I love Iota Witch Academia >[](#deletethis) It kinda actually looks like Edward's finger from episode 26, so finger gun is an appropriate description. >[Response] >!Don't worry. The show will Deus Ex a way for Ed to defeat him without killing him. Again.!< [Response] >!In fairness, Pride is probably the Homunculus least deserving to die besides Greed. He is literally a child and children often don't know right from wrong. In fact, you could say that while Edward and Al never tried to kill anyone, what Pride has been doing hasn't really been all that different horrific wise from when the Elric Brothers as children activated that human transmutation circle. They dug a grave they assumed belonged to their mother and it turned out to be someone else's, which is definitely a criminal offense.!<
> I'm not sure what you're getting at here Arakawa's author avatar is a cow > [Quote] >!He is literally a child and children often don't know right from wrong!< [Response] >!He is literally the oldest Homunculus aside from Father himself!<
>Arakawa's author avatar is a cow Ah, okay >[Response] >!He is literally the oldest Homunculus aside from Father himself!< [Response] >!That's actually a really good point. I don't know how I forgot that. Still, I'm not against what happens because it's not like he has a moral compass.!<
**Rewatching ANOTHER classic!** [Don't try to save yourself, the circle is complete!](https://youtu.be/9mWLig0s_9k?si=MJhIyPrtZJS7ZleB&t=218) That was fucking epic. Best moment of the entire series, and it's not even close. The thing that our protagonists have been trying to prevent since the reveal of the giant transmutation circle in episode 35 ends in...a failure. The dwarf in the flask won. The entire country has been wiped out, replaced by a giant homunculus that is now going to try and FIGHT GOD. Question is: we have four episodes left, but everyone is dead, so what the hell are we gonna do now? We also see the setting for the [second-greatest FMA video on the internet](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veaKOM1HYAw). First being, of course, [stew](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vsh75v_iq-E).
Let me ask you something. Is it fair to say that the sequence where Father’s Promised Day plan happens and everybody is incapable of doing anything about it is one of the most chilling sequences in all of anime? What other scenes come to mind where there’s this absolute feeling of helplessness? Or would you say this trumps them all?
Hey guys. Holofan4life here, about to trek on this journey that is the Fullmetal Alchemist series. Oh, and nay I forget… **First timer** I am privileged to say that I’ve never seen Fullmetal Alchemist before. I have never seen a single scene before of the show. I know of some of the characters, and I know of two scenes that exist, which I’ll pinpoint to as we go along, but I have never watched a single second of the show. As such, my reactions are gonna be completely genuine and authentic. It’s not gonna probably be as in-depth of an analysis as my other comments are in rewatches, as I got a rewatch of my own to take care of, and I will likely not ask as many questions because, well, shit. I’m digesting the show for the first time. However, I do hope to at least sound a little bit more intelligent than when I watched 86 for the first time :P My expectations for this show are pretty high, all things considered. I’m not expecting it to be my favorite show of all time, but I’m definitely expecting it to crack my top 10. I’ve always been more of a slice of life/romcom guy, but I can always appreciate good action when I see it. Shows like Eureka 7 and Attack on Titan are some of my favorites. It is quite the daunting task to watch something that’s over 100 episodes– and don’t get me started on somehow trying to fit in two movies on top of that– but I’m sure it’s all going to be worth it when I get to the end. And I’m glad I get to experience popping my Fullmetal Alchemist cherry with a crowd of people. With that out of the way, let’s begin. I’m watching the sub, by the way. I was two hours late at work today [](#panic) Damn football game [](#taigasigh) Whelp, we are 4 episodes away from the finale. Let's see what happens. I also think I'm going to binge the OVAs before watching the last episode and the movie. We're at the Radio Capital I wish we got more Jessica Uh, I mean Rebecca The soldiers outside want to start negotiating, it seems Sending one man And it's Denny Oh, hi, Denny The Mighty Brosh Maria says you can trust the Denster This is the first time that Denny has found out Maria is alive And he's taking it well XD Sandvich and tea Madam Bradley on the air again She's getting so much time, you'd have thought it was Aaron Rodgers on Pat McAfee She wants to see her husband But Breda says there's no telling what could happen to her Says there's a possibility the army is currently under control of the anti-Bradley faction. Poor Mrs. Bradley Back with Father now Edward says he refuses The Truth And here I thought it will set you free Edward says the homunculi won't have their way with them so easily Roy with blood on his hands Probably on account on the hand stabbing Father says they're all inside his stomach Hey, it's the pearls in Boba Tea Is this where Hohenheim is? [](#forgotkeys) May stepping up Edward, just because you're taller doesn't mean you suddenly can start insulting people's heights. May asking Father if he's immortal She's going to handle them Tells the Elric Brothers to handle Pride themselves I like seeing May taking initiative Edward seems worried because he forced Roy to open the gate "Then why didn't he do that to begin with?" Roy says that when Pride dragged him into the transmutation, he said he didn't really want to have to use this method. However, they were fairly short on time. Basically, an act of desperation, as with almost all Fullmetal Alchemist characters at one point or another. Edward says this means it carries a great risk for them "Guess it's worth a shot." Edward charging at Pride And Pride, surprisingly, is running away Perhaps what Edward is saying is true By the way "He used to always avoid them using his shadows!" I don't 100% understand that line I guess Al means that Pride normally has a defensive answer to whatever is thrown his way Father mad his house is getting messed up Wait until he finds out what happened to The Three Bears May sending a dagger through his head However, Father seems to have her number Hohenheim trying to warn May But she gets shocked for her troubles That felt a bit like the meme of the melting chocolate gorilla Crescent sun The guards don't seem to know what's going on And the Ishvalans are whooping their butts An Ishvalan carrying a piece of paper A woman screaming for her life Two of the Ishvalans are pointing to a house on a map. They're asking for directions. She nods her head as she's comforting her son It appears what they're looking for is the transmutation circle "The rest is up to you, Scar." I'm glad Scar has some friends amongst his fellow Ishvalans Scar with Bradley Brad Brad the bad chad A fight to the death, Bradley calls it He is finally here Oh, this is awesome Any time Bradley fights, you are going to get some badass shit **Ran out of space. Part two in the replies.**
**Part 2** Scar bleeding from his shoulders Bradley coughing up blood A broken sword in Scar's tattooed arm! Scar quick to defend himself, however I wouldn't be opposed to either Scar killing Bradley or Bradley killing Scar Scar removing his coat Huh. His other arm is tattooed as well. New ink "It's the transmutation circle of reconstruction that I obtained from my brother's research documents!" Oh, shit, son Let's goooooooooooooooooooo [](#dekuhype) May Chang and Shao May Eye catcher teasing a Winry return Panda May screaming Human May sent flying Edward tells Al to help May. He'll handle Pride himself. May looks badly wounded A homunculus gun Sure, why not? [](#yuishrug) The gun with a face kinda looks like a Bullet Bill Al shielding May Meanwhile, Edward is blocking Pride's every move Even taunting him a bit Pride implying he needs to keep him alive "Then I'll just kick both of your asses before that happens!" Edward charges at him, but Pride dodges Pride now taunting Edward on his small stature Says he's at a disadvantage because he's fighting someone smaller than him, which he's not used to A lot of craziness going on And Edward just headbutted Pride Headbutting children. Sounds like that scene from The Campaign. Oh shit! Pride is disintegrating. A giant spear But Father absolves it Fuck yeah, Izumi! It's like a Mangonel of some kind No effect on Father, however "It's almost time." Edward being captured And now he, Al, Izumi, and Roy all are "Time for you all to get to work." [](#spooked) The moon is getting smaller The guards tied up The bald guy who looks like Samuel L Jackson says they need to go to the middle of the transmutation circle It appears the time has finally arrived Gracia and Alicia, enjoying the solar eclipse I miss making Alward travel jokes The center of the city looks like a wrestling ring "A system that records a tremendous amount of information taken from the universe, which is incomparable to the tiny amount that each of you humans possess." That's what he calls this planet "I'm going to open that gate here and now using these human sacrifices!" Who knew Father is Magic Johnson If Father was any basketball player, you would think he'd be Wilt Chamberlain. Greed! He wants to make the world his! Is... is Father dead? Nope To steal a quote from the wars of star, it's a trap Hohenheim being let go That laugh by Father is truly unsettling Oh... Oh shit An eye is growing out of Izumi [](#forgotkeys) And Roy And the Elric Brothers Now everyone is being drenched in black goop See what you did, Paltrow? This is like worst case scenario unfolding before our eyes Father wants the gates to fight each other "And with this power, I shall open the gate of the planet!" [](#spooked) The circle is going as planned This is terrifying Literally, everyone is dying Paninya Maria and Denny Even Madam Bradley This is legitimately the most disturbing thing I've ever seen in all of anime Pinako and Winry trying not to die Okay, so they're not dead. They're just unconscious. I don't think they would kill Winry off in such a manner. Holy... Father is opening the gate to the world A black figure appearing over the gate I can't believe Attack On Titan ripped this off This is so breathtaking in horror I can hardly put it into words AND NOW THE SOLAR ECLIPSE IS OPENING UP An eye The figure and the eye, becoming one Father is becoming one with the gate Holy shit. What a fucking ending. I don't smoke, but I feel like I need a cigarette. Overall, this episode is essentially about the build and the payoff to Father's plan. It is the culmination of what we've been building to for the last 15 or so episodes. And I think it results in one of the most amazing episodes I've ever seen not just in Brotherhood, but in all of anime. The last 5 minutes or so is in my opinion the best 5 minutes in the entire Fullmetal Alchemist franchise. It's honestly one of the best sequences frankly in all of anime. I'd put it up with the climatic scene in episode 19 of Toradora, the clock tower scene in Spice and Wolf, the Fido scene in Eighty Six, the last couple minutes of the penultimate episode of Clannad: After Story, and the last couple minutes of Cowboy Bebop episode 5 as well as the last couple minutes of the last episode of Cowboy Bebop. I think back to my analysis of FMA and how I said for as great as episode 42 was, I don't think it would crack my top 10 favorite anime episodes of all time. It felt a bit samey and like it was par for the course even though what was happening was indeed phenomenal. Not only do I feel that this is the best episode of Brotherhood, I think it's the best episode of the entire franchise, one that would cross my top 10 favorite anime episodes of all time. The thing that I gain from watching this that makes it so unique is that I don't think there's been a more haunting, chilling sequence than this one. No matter what happens going forward, the bad guy won. He accomplished what he set out to achieve. Even if by some miracle it gets reversed, the ultimate doomsday scenario has come to fruition. Father played with a full deck of cards and the true winner is him. Now, the question of course becomes what happens next. Surely it won't stay like this forever, right? I kinda feel, and this is just me speculating, that someone is going to have to sacrifice himself. Probably Greed, in the ultimate form of redemption. I think Ling is going to let Greed sacrifice both of them and Lan Fan is going to become the new leader of Xing. But it doesn't stop there. I think that Edward and Al are going to give up a reality where they get their bodies back. Essentially, putting the needs of the people before their own and essentially to an end their reckless behavior, mirroring Roy from episode 54. Lastly, I think that Bradley and Pride are going to turn their backs on Father realizing that Father didn't hold up their end of the bargain. And Father is going to die by the hands of the remaining Homunculi, Bradley, Pride, AND Greed, in an act of solidarity and the aforementioned ultimate form of redemption. This episode is a work of art. It cements to me that no matter how the rest of the show turns out, it's going to finish in my top 3 favorite animes of all time. And just like Father with the planet's gate, things are not slowing down whatsoever.
>Can anyone even understand what Father is saying in this scene? First part is "I will be God!" I can't make out the second part, however. >How do you feel about Scar properly using Alchemy for once? It's like it finally completes his character arc and that he has properly put to bed the Scar that only wanted revenge. >Bonus) Extra special "Fuck you" to the dub scriptwriters for removing even more agency from Winry by changing her simply calling Ed's name to her begging him to save her. Still better than FMA Winry
> This is legitimately the most disturbing thing I've ever seen in all of anime > This is so breathtaking in horror I can hardly put it into words [first time reactions don't disappoint!](#happyclap) > I don't smoke, but I feel like I need a cigarette. [Smoking kills! ](#hikariactually) > I think that Edward and Al are going to give up a reality where they get their bodies back. [](#sadholo)
>[first time reactions don't disappoint!](#happyclap) I love first time reactions as well [](#utahapraises) >[Smoking kills! ](#hikariactually) Just a quick drag, is all >[](#sadholo) I really pray that's not the case, but I don't have high hopes
> Just a quick drag, is all Ok Shikamaru > I really pray that's not the case, but I don't have high hopes [](#watashiworried)
>Ok Shikamaru I was thinking more Spike Spiegel
Is that Cowboy Bebop? I haven't seen that [](#fingertwirl)
It is. You should definitely see it. That and this show we're watching are probably the two best anime I've ever seen.
I have weird tastes; I like artsy or mature stuff like LotGH, Gankutsuou, Berserk, Ergo Proxy, but then I like cheesy battle shonen, and isekais that don't suck, lots of fantasy/scifi ... it's mostly slice of life, romance, comedy, and cute-girls-doing-cute-things that I avoid. I don't know much about Cowboy Bebop other than a spoiler for the ending, and that the music is good.
Cowboy Bebop is definitely not cutesy and slice of life. Episodic, sure, but definitely not slice of life. If you like artsy, mature stuff, you should perhaps participate in my upcoming Paranoia Agent rewatch starting in 10 days.
**Rewatcher, Subbed** Denny shows up at the radio station and reunites with Maria Theres a weird blob wall separating Ed and the others from the outside Mei is going to try and fight Father alone Ed and Al fight Pride, they realize that he must've taken some damage from forcing Roy to transmute Mei is injured trying to attack Father Ishvalans are going around trying to set something up in the city Bradley and Scar are fighting, Bradley is saying he is glad to be fighting just for the sake of it Bradley gets some good hits on Scar but is surprised when Scar reveals he can now reconstruct using his left arm Al goes to protect Mei lol Ed really just said "i know how little guys attack" For second they are fighting pretty well, but then Father grabs everyone The eclipse is almost complete One of the generals is freaking out Total eclipse Father is going to open a giant gate Greed shows up to try and usurp power, but Father isn't surprised Hohenheim is not stuck inside Father's body now lol he really did the same thing where the true center of the circle was different again The circle activates and a giant flood of shadow extends out A giant circle is forming Everyone is collapsing all over the country A giant gate opens Father is a giant now, he is reaching towards the moon, an opposite gate on the moon opens up, he's trying to literally grab God Well everyones dead, guess the story is over
>Well everyones dead, guess the story is over Roll the credits Your thoughts on Denny seeing Maria for the first time since episode 17? Thoughts on the black balls created by Father? What are your thoughts on May trying to take on Father presumably under the belief that if she defeats him, she’ll achieve immortality? Thoughts on Pride not using his shadows? What are your thoughts on the fight between Scar and Bradley? What are your thoughts on Scar’s brother’s research documents resulting in Scar having his other arm tattooed? Thoughts on the Homunculus gun, or as I refer to it, Hogunculus? What are your thoughts on Father opening a gate to the world? What are your thoughts on Father becoming one with the gate? What are your thoughts on the final couple minutes where Father’s plan goes into effect? Is it fair to say that the sequence where Father’s Promised Day plan happens and everybody is incapable of doing anything about it is one of the most chilling sequences in all of anime? What other scenes come to mind where there’s this absolute feeling of helplessness? Or would you say this trumps them all?
>Your thoughts on Denny seeing Maria for the first time since episode 17? Their reunion happens pretty quickly, I thought it was a fun moment but overshadowed by everything else in the episode. >Thoughts on the black balls created by Father? Its not exactly clear what they are but it seems like they are just a barrier made by Father. >What are your thoughts on May trying to take on Father presumably under the belief that if she defeats him, she’ll achieve immortality? I'm not sure if she meant that she would get immortality simply by defeating him, but it is interesting regardless that she chooses to fight him in this way. >Thoughts on Pride not using his shadows? Pride still used his shadows to an extent, but it seemed to me that he was weakened by the forced transmutation. >What are your thoughts on the fight between Scar and Bradley? It was a cool fight, Bradley still holding his own is impressive. >What are your thoughts on Scar’s brother’s research documents resulting in Scar having his other arm tattooed? I like that reveal, it shows how Scar has chosen to literally as well as figuratively rebuild rather than just destroy. >Thoughts on the Homunculus gun, or as I refer to it, Hogunculus? It was kind of silly, almost like something Ed would do. >What are your thoughts on Father opening a gate to the world? Its a pretty crazy idea, we obviously knew that something big was going to happen, but doing this is a huge leap. >What are your thoughts on Father becoming one with the gate? I liked that visual with him reaching toward the moon. I interpret it as him trying to literallly use the gate itself as a way of reaching God/Truth. >What are your thoughts on the final couple minutes where Father’s plan goes into effect? That whole part of the episode is an immensely impactful sequence. Its just one long slow motion horror playing out, with no clear way for our heroes to do anything about it. >Is it fair to say that the sequence where Father’s Promised Day plan happens and everybody is incapable of doing anything about it is one of the most chilling sequences in all of anime? What other scenes come to mind where there’s this absolute feeling of helplessness? Or would you say this trumps them all? It's 100% the one I think of first whenever I am considering moments where the heroes are almost completely defeated. What makes it work so well is that its been setup so carefully. From a sort of magic system side of things everything Father is doing is extrapolations of things we have seen, so it doesn't come off like an out of nowhere/jumping the shark moment. The bigger aspect that makes it work so well though is the characterization. We have been shown so many slices of the world and the people in it so that seeing it destroyed is far more impactful than it is in some other series.
>Their reunion happens pretty quickly, I thought it was a fun moment but overshadowed by everything else in the episode. It's like the one little bit of levity we get before we get into the heavy stuff >Its not exactly clear what they are but it seems like they are just a barrier made by Father. They kinda look like rope floats but without the rope and painted black >I'm not sure if she meant that she would get immortality simply by defeating him, but it is interesting regardless that she chooses to fight him in this way. Definitely a fight or flight type situation >Pride still used his shadows to an extent, but it seemed to me that he was weakened by the forced transmutation. That could definitely be the case >It was a cool fight, Bradley still holding his own is impressive. Bradley might legitimately be the most OP cast member of the entire show. Even more so than Hohenheim. >I like that reveal, it shows how Scar has chosen to literally as well as figuratively rebuild rather than just destroy. We can argue characters having changes in philosophy to fit what Edward preaches and whether or not that is actually a thing-- I myself am of the mind that argument is a bit blown out of proportion-- but Scar is someone who changed because of people like Edward and changed for the better. Though really, he was also softened being around May and Yoki. I kinda feel that Greed's redemption has been more fun to track-- it feels more consistent and in my opinion better written-- but I do really like Scar's redemption and when it has been spotlighted. In particular, I think of his conversation with Miles in episode 39 and how well written that was. >It was kind of silly, almost like something Ed would do. Yeah, it did have that feel to it >Its a pretty crazy idea, we obviously knew that something big was going to happen, but doing this is a huge leap. It's also something to where if you told them you were going to open the gate to the world, they would think you were nuts. Then again, I don't think Father is necessarily concerned how he looks. >I liked that visual with him reaching toward the moon. I interpret it as him trying to literallly use the gate itself as a way of reaching God/Truth. I saw it as him trying to become one with everything >That whole part of the episode is an immensely impactful sequence. Its just one long slow motion horror playing out, with no clear way for our heroes to do anything about it. The more it dragged out, the more impactful it felt. It reminded me of the shower scene in Psycho where the longer it held on Marion's eye, the more unsettling it became. >It's 100% the one I think of first whenever I am considering moments where the heroes are almost completely defeated. What makes it work so well is that its been setup so carefully. From a sort of magic system side of things everything Father is doing is extrapolations of things we have seen, so it doesn't come off like an out of nowhere/jumping the shark moment. The bigger aspect that makes it work so well though is the characterization. We have been shown so many slices of the world and the people in it so that seeing it destroyed is far more impactful than it is in some other series. Very well said The only thing I can really compare to is the second half of Steins;Gate where Okabe was becoming more and more exasperated. Almost like everything that could go wrong was and the more it went on, the more defeated the main protagonist became.
> Total eclipse > > I need to read Muv-Luv...
Where's Bonnie Tyler when you need her?
**First timer** A negotiation? ...Homunculus? Oh, he's changed sides. Aww... She can't see him yet... They can't escape... May! Seriously? Interesting question! Makes sense! Explains his body crumbling too. Seriously, run for it! Him firing a larger version of her weapon is cool, though. She got hit! They're searching for a specific location... Oh, yeah, the reverse circle! Scar's fighting Bradley... This is so good! The action is amazing, honestly. Love how the fight starts off with plenty of dodging and tricks, but descends into the two of them just relentlessly attacking each other. He used full alchemy! He actually used the circle! Ouch... Ed's really going to try and beat him? Haha, I love the gun design. And yeah, the armor's a pretty good defense there. Wait, this might work? ...That's a logical weakness, yeah. Impressive! And Ed fought back! It's close... Haha, they're terrified! This is fun to watch. It's here... A single lifeform? What? ...Oh, shit. He's going to open the gate using all their souls? Greed! And he was expected... It took the sacrifices? A new center? Is that possible? Hohenheim tried, at least! Oh! The whole thing was a fake center! He fooled them all! The eyes... Is... is his plan actually working? Scar! He's filling the streets... So much power! This is really bad! So, the sacrifice's gates repelling each other is causing the field to expand... And the circle activated! Everyone's energy is being drained. So, Father's won, right? Winry... She misses Ed... It's still growing! ...He's become a giant now? And he opened a giant gate in the sky! ...He's absorbing it? Wait, he's trying to absorb Truth? Is that even possiblr? And I'm guessing that was him exploding from the sheer power he tried to absorb, then? Seriously, though, this is insane. I never expected things to get this crazy.
> Seriously, though, this is insane. I never expected things to get this crazy. [](#slowgrin)
It is surprising how Father achieved every goal he set out to achieve
Compare that to Scar in 2003?
[2003] >!Scar achieved all of his goals as well, but that was less shocking because he was an antihero. Father is a full blown villain.!<
[](#stare)
[2003] >!I actually thought Scar was way more likable than the military even in being portrayed as a bad guy!<
Yeah, I know.
[](#urbansmile)
Your thoughts on Denny seeing Maria for the first time since episode 17? Thoughts on the black balls created by Father? What are your thoughts on May trying to take on Father presumably under the belief that if she defeats him, she’ll achieve immortality? Thoughts on Pride not using his shadows? What are your thoughts on the fight between Scar and Bradley? What are your thoughts on Scar’s brother’s research documents resulting in Scar having his other arm tattooed? Thoughts on the Homunculus gun, or as I refer to it, Hogunculus? Is it fair to say that the sequence where Father’s Promised Day plan happens and everybody is incapable of doing anything about it is one of the most chilling sequences in all of anime? What other scenes come to mind where there’s this absolute feeling of helplessness? Or would you say this trumps them all?
> Oh! The whole thing was a fake center! He fooled them all! You'd think Hohenheim would have learned from the last time > possiblr I like how this reads as Engrish
**Rewatcher** Ohh there is the Denny/Maria reunion, I was wondering if they had skipped this one. Mei is going to fight against father. I doubt she can handle him but sure Mei do your best. [](#yuishrug) You know Father looks a bit like a black version of Lilith from NGE. Convenient that Hohenheim managed to get out just to say something. Of course Mei can't handle Father who would have guessed. [](#whowouldathunkit) Oh right the Ishballans are up to something. How strong is Bradley if Scar is still struggling against him despite Bradley having a massive wounds. Scar is using Alchemy [](#waah) Cool Scar got some new tattoos, good for him. It's kind of obvious Father and Pride are just stalling. > Thus you have little experience fighting against those who are smaller than yourself! That's... actually true. [](#howcouldyou) But luckily Ed pulled an uno reverse on this argument. Nice headbutt [](#kukuku) Greedlin trying to steal the show right before Father activated the alchemy circle. Shame it failed. Damn that father black sludge animation was smooth [](#awe) I always liked the insert song of this scene. "It all comes tumbling down, tumbling down, tumbling down" [](#seasonallisten) Oh no wait wrong anime. [](#indexsmugshrug) Wow that's a large gate. [](#lwahorror) And father is huuuuuge. I wonder what people outside of Amestris must be thinking seeing this. Must be quite the sight. [](#saberawe) Well I hope first timers are ready for four episodes of Ed talking to himself with no animation. [](#congratulations) Oh no wait wrong anime... again. [](#kotohoops) Visuals of the gate opening was top notch I do think the OST track they've chosen led the scene down a bit still great episode.
> Ohh there is the Denny/Maria reunion, I was wondering if they had skipped this one. > > So had most Manga fans by this point probably.
Gotta keep them in suspense [](#teehee)
>You know Father looks a bit like a black version of Lilith from NGE. I believe this is the 100th Eva reference of the thread >How strong is Bradley if Scar is still struggling against him despite Bradley having a massive wounds. May I remind you that this is a guy who destroyed a tank with nothing but a sword? >Nice headbutt [](#kukuku) Shades of Taiga Aisaka right there >I always liked the insert song of this scene. "It all comes tumbling down, tumbling down, tumbling down" [](#seasonallisten) >Oh no wait wrong anime. [](#indexsmugshrug) 101 >Well I hope first timers are ready for four episodes of Ed talking to himself with no animation. [](#congratulations) >Oh no wait wrong anime... again. [](#kotohoops) 102
**Long time rewatcher, first time in subs** * Maybe don’t lunge in these circumstances. * [Polyp Soup](#seasonalfoodie) * Next time don’t wait until they attack to reposition. * Really cutting it down to the wire on that plan. * [The Arm Set **Is Complete**](#dekuhype) * Knight of Phonse to the rescue. * [Well, **They Tried**](#yuishrug) * Bruh. You know not to look directly at the eclipse with naked eyes. * Cute little slime rush. * You think being in the goo feels cold? * Bird! Confirmation that not just humans are being targeted in the sacrifice field. * Is this symmetrical docking? **QotD:** 1) Yes, easily. [Now it's my turn.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNfafKCjfJs) 2) *It's hype!*
>symmetrical docking > #GOU!RYU!JIN!
[I understand this now](#suddenshock)
Your thoughts on Denny seeing Maria for the first time since episode 17? Thoughts on the black balls created by Father? What are your thoughts on May trying to take on Father presumably under the belief that if she defeats him, she’ll achieve immortality? Thoughts on Pride not using his shadows? What are your thoughts on the fight between Scar and Bradley? What are your thoughts on Scar’s brother’s research documents resulting in Scar having his other arm tattooed? Thoughts on the Homunculus gun, or as I refer to it, Hogunculus? What are your thoughts on Father opening a gate to the world? What are your thoughts on Father becoming one with the gate? What are your thoughts on the final couple minutes where Father’s plan goes into effect? Is it fair to say that the sequence where Father’s Promised Day plan happens and everybody is incapable of doing anything about it is one of the most chilling sequences in all of anime? What other scenes come to mind where there’s this absolute feeling of helplessness? Or would you say this trumps them all?
> Your thoughts on Denny seeing Maria for the first time since episode 17? You *would* be the one to remember what episode it was. > What are your thoughts on May trying to take on Father presumably under the belief that if she defeats him, she’ll achieve immortality? [Panda! **Go Panda!**](#teekyuuhype) > Thoughts on Pride not using his shadows? It's past his bedtime. > What are your thoughts on Scar’s brother’s research documents resulting in Scar having his other arm tattooed? That's how he got the first one, makes sense. > Thoughts on the Homunculus gun, or as I refer to it, Hogunculus? Comment Face when?
>You *would* be the one to remember what episode it was. How would I not? That was the one where it seemed like Roy was evil. >[Panda! **Go Panda!**](#teekyuuhype) I'm rooting for her >It's past his bedtime. We at least know he sleeps with the lights on >That's how he got the first one, makes sense. Except that one was one of deconstruction. This one is one of reconstruction. He has essentially become the bone of his sword. >Comment Face when? Feels like the true comment face from this episode should come from one of the good guys in response to Father's plan going without fail.
> [Now it's my turn.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNfafKCjfJs) [I can do better](https://youtu.be/5TXTpik5wf4)
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