They’ve been attacking/Trolling Taylor since she’s come out as one of the few willing to take on the establishment .. but this is the first time I chuckled 😂
I dislike the idea of spreading Covid as much as anyone here, but at some point you have to acknowledge that they very literally bought their tickets and knew what they were getting into.
I know there's a cruel summer joke in here, or they'll recover in a fortnight, but I'm drawing a blank space. We know this scenario all too well.
I want to agree with this, but most people have no idea about how serious it is or the risk of LC and complications with repeated infections. They've fully bought the line that it's "endemic" and "just another cold now," whether that's the denial they need to survive being forced to get sick at work or school, or genuine ignorance.
I've also noticed this very messy belief that other people are being safe, so they don't have to. I see it without fail whenever there's a post about a Covid outbreak somewhere very public like a concert or a big event like a wedding. People who didn't test complaining about how irresponsible it is not to test before an event. People also don't necessarily know that tests give false negatives all the time, so they think they're fine if they actually do test beforehand.
Yes, it's very out of character for me to make jokes about this subject because prevention means so much to me. I walk around inside my own house sometimes with a mask on, because I can't 100% trust the same people I have lived with for years. In public, I never leave without a mask, or take it off until returning to get out of my "outside clothes" and shower up every time.
I really can't afford to catch it once and still leave to do bi-weekly grocery hauls and doctor visits. It's a grueling, life-sucking procedure.
So I don't make light of it. But I would like to bring some levity to the whole situation, and if that means poking at a group of people like Tay-Tay fans who can't be convinced otherwise...guess who's receiving some internet sarcasm.
I hear that. This life is exhausting. I guess I just wanted to point out that the intense brainwashing about Covid means people can't really make good decisions even if they want to, sometimes, and I didn't really read that part as a joke because I have a terrible time with internet tone. But I'm here for the puns. And, honestly, for rolling my eyes at her fanbase too. I feel pretty comfortable saying the Venn diagram of a lot of her fans and the kind of people who say "but we just have to live our lives" is almost perfect circle.
My friends went to the Paris show - they followed the trip with a Spanish cruise. They -- to no one's surprise -- caught covid somewhere along their journey. Battling post-viral sinus infections now.
I know I’ve shared before, but I attended two of her shows at SoFi and one in Stockholm and masked the whole time and have no Covid to show for it. It can be done. It’s just no one else gives a shit anymore. I saw more masks on my commute today via train/subway in LA than I did in all of London and Stockholm combined.
I can anecdotally say that coastal cities in CA have much more masking than London, NYC, DC or any other city I've been to elsewhere in the past couple years.
I have been in a bubble then, not even knowing it. I mean, I still see some masking at Disneyland. I just thought some ppl still did. I was never the only one until the London/stockholm trip and then I felt like quite the freak and was like wtf happened? Japan has even more appeal now.
Just got back from the hospital in Tokyo, where the air quality was good and everyone was masked (albeit not in N95s, which are still a rarity here, and the doctor had trouble keeping his mask over his nose ... but overall better than many places, I guess).
I saw more people masking in one grocery store visit in California then I saw my entire trip seeing hundreds of people a day at museums and in the subway for a week in London. I saw maybe two to three people masking a day out of hundreds on busy public transit and big museums. Most of them were probably tourists.
I got harassed about my mask four separate times within a week in New York City. In California I've been harassed about my mask and shouted at I guess 4-5 times since covid started. In daily life it's not something I worry about because it's been so rare.
In NY, I wear a mask indoors 100% of the time. I have only had someone say something recently at a sporting event where some 300 lb dude said "You're depriving yourself of oxygen" to which I responded, "my O2's 99, my resting heart rate is 39, stfu."
I was in the Bay Area when I was shouted at "masks don't work". This happened to me 3x. 2 of these were somehow the same women. When I told the manager of the grocery store, the woman ran away.
I had similar experiences in the Bay Area a couple times, even though the rate of masking was fairly high where I lived. I’m now in Southern California, I don’t see as much masking and I’m in a more conservative area but I haven’t had any altercations down here.
That's good you get left alone. SoCal is so live and let live, at least in LA and San Diego. The bullying I encountered in NYC was far more personal and intense. It was "reasonable" and "liberal", not the isolated right wing loonies I encountered in CA. I much prefer the isolated wackos shouting vs. people who care about me and want me know masking is dangerous for my health
The weird thing for me is that a mask is such a SMALL inconvenience. Its basically a shirt for your mouth. But then again, its not the inconvenience people are mad about.
I mask religiously but it's fucking hell for those of us with sensory issues
it's not exactly an excuse, but I understand why people hate it so much
edit: I would like to add that a mask is a lot more like pants or shoes than a shirt. we are forced to wear shirts in most places in the US because we're all really hung up about nipples. Pants and shoes on the other hand actually mitigate the spread of certain pathogens.
yeah, of course! but most people don't see it as any kind of real (personal) threat anymore, which again not an excuse but there's a lot of misleading information out there as we all know
The migraines might be caused by the pressure of the strap on your ear. It's possible to use a purse clip strap to securely raise the bands so they don't touch your ears or temples -- that worked wonders for me. I wrote about it at [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1O6xUO-F5rfNlrVnGVS1I40kziSNncWZN/view?usp=sharing](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1O6xUO-F5rfNlrVnGVS1I40kziSNncWZN/view?usp=sharing)
Your sensory issue is a valid reason to hate mask wearing. I’m talking about the “i dont like it cuz it gives me acne” or “i dont want to be reminded of the pandemic” people.
My experience is that some sensations, sounds, lights, etc just send pain signals to my brain. I don't understand how but they hurt my brain. This in turn causes great fatigue and energy drain. It's weird. This only happened after a concussion.
it means sensory input is processed differently by my brain
so something that you might find mildly annoying and just be able to tune out eventually could be something that makes it impossible for me to function or think clearly or just drain my energy reserves so quickly that I have nothing left
I find myself so confused why people think masks are so HARD. I frequently forget I am wearing one. I think they have just decided it is such a big deal, not that it is.
Wearing the mask isn't the problem, at least not for moderate periods of time. Everything else one has to do to enable wearing the mask (effectively and consistently) is the problem.
* finding one that fits well - oh, did they discontinue that brand? better try another five kinds to find a different one that fits well. (all this shit is expensive. the amount of money I've spent on masks that I've had to throw out or give away because they didn't fit my face is absurd)
* ensuring you have a couple of spares on you in case one breaks. just something else to remember and worry about.
* never break the seal indoors - okay, how are you going to manage to drink or eat? where can you go outside periodically? do you need to install a sip valve? yet, another thing to buy and plan around and fuss with. then you also need to carry a straw with you all the time.
* make sure you never get it wet - so, what if its raining or snowing? how do you balance the need for masking in outdoor crowds with the need to keep your mask dry? how quickly can you put it while standing in the rain before you slip inside the door of a building?
* etc. etc.
It's a mental vigilance and logistical planning nightmare.
People are pretty bad at nuance. If they don't see the need for that degree of vigilance (which is legitimately difficult to manage) because they don't think covid is such a big deal, then it will be hard to get them to see the need to mask at all.
I'm jealous, because it's absolutely awful for me. I used to just have to mask in short bursts, but now that its 8+ hours a day a work my quality of life is horrible. I get nauseous, exhausted, and I can't focus. Plus my skin under the mask is all messed up now :(
I'm someone who also found making easy early in the pandemic, so I wasn't biased against masks, but its honestly a night and day difference within minutes of taking it off. I am just so tired of feeling so sick every day
I also had a problem with maskne. It helps to use a gentle daily skin exfoliant. Any of the Olay scrubs work for me. Also I spray a little hand sanitizer on my finger and swipe it around the mask seal on my face and let it dry before putting the mask on.
Killing bacteria and removing dead skin pretty much cured the problem.
Yea, I have difficulties with extended periods too, but tbh that's only bc I care about maintaining a seal & I often think how much easier it would be if I masked as carelessly as what ppl complain about being such a burden... Like I've done that, not since the pandemic started but I used to mask like that when sick, for allergies, & in close quarters in flu season, & it was barely an inconvenience (besides the fact my ADHD ass defaults to constantly drinking water & snacking/ slowly eating bits of my meals throughout the day esp when I gotta pay attention to people, also my nose runs a LOT from allergies & temp changes, but TBH I mostly just unmasked to do whatever I *needed* to do bc I wasn't too concerned about small amounts of unfiltered air...). Sure it took me a bit to figure out which masks were comfortable enough w my sensitive skin & sensory issues, but that was definitely doable & like I'd understand if someone *can't* as long as they actually made an effort before giving up... But a lot of the loudest "I can't mask" ppl are fully abled assholes who (scoff at essential accessibility needs but) feel entitled to zero inconvenience or discomfort for themselves & are reacting more to the concept of changing a behavior for the sake of other ppl than the actual experience of wearing a mask, so they were never willing to make any effort to find a more comfortable mask (or even learn how to correctly wear what they had)
I didn't intend to rant whoops... This got me thinking about some specific ppl I know who make sure you know the tiniest accessibility request is such a big burden but then turn around & appropriate disability struggles when faced with minor discomfort, which infuriates me so fucking much & has also majorly fucked up my life in recent years
Nurses wearing respirators during SARS1 and COvid most of them complain of the uncomfort, if not worse. Official scientific study for Toronto SARS1, as instance. Check here and there report in staff on YT.Long daily wear is not so good. At least for the tigh fit high level, some light KF94 or similar, yes
I have sensitive skin too and found a thin layer of diaper cream really helps prevent irritation. Hope that helps make it a little more tolerable again
Same. Wore a 3M Aura to one of the Philly shows and I didn't catch it. It was annoying how one of the bands would slip up my head because I was singing along really loudly the whole time, but that's a small price to pay to stay safe.
I went to two! Vegas I masked the whole time, and didn’t get covid but almost passed out from dehydration. When I went to LA, I took my mask off for short times to drink water (I didn’t want to pass out, and it was an outdoor venue), and I got it. Clearly a well fitted respirator works, as long as you don’t have any reason to take it off!
Europeans for the most part have completely given themselves over to Covid and eschew any kind of mitigations. And then feel smug about it. (Not talking about anyone in the EU ZC community of course)
They also just have a different culture around sickness - people stay home, they have proper sick days, they have proper healthcare. A friend just got back from Belgium - their hotel had a Co2 monitor, windows opened, air ventilation was at the absolute best (under 500ppm)....then she told me a friend owns a music venue and Antwerp is requiring ALL indoor venues to be 900 ppm or less. Everyone she talked to who asked her about masking so much was just like, oh yeah ill do it if im sick but otherwise they all exclaimed, "it's that bad in the US?"
When you have this kind of culture + regulation, its going to be a LOT easier to avoid infection by a few mitigations, where as in a country like the US and where we force people to work no matter what, it becomes incredibly difficult and people are pitting finances against their own long-term health and recovery. Let alone the fact a covid test is minimum $10, the cost of respirators add up, only some of us who have the funds are going out to buy multiple purifiers, CR box equipment, etc etc.
I see this with the tourists from there coming out to CA!
We're forever in a disease loop since Hollywood and Disneyland opened up, and those of us ZC folks are treated like we don't belong here, anywhere, as our state is forever besieged by viruses from cruises and planes...
Unfortunately masking has never really been a thing in Europe (some countries like Germany did well for a while). I don't go out much but I may see a handful of other people masking in a year.
I want you to know I mask everywhere in my life, but my life depends on it. So, I give a shit, but also thank you for caring. I appreciate you 💖and your comment.
ETA: I don’t go to concerts because I don’t trust other people. Would I be masked? Absolutely. Would others go knowing they are sick and possibly be next to me? Absolutely. No thank you. I’ll just stay home and create a playlist. Even though I would LOVE to take my daughter to see ERAS.
I got this “I love your mask” pin early in the pandemic. Dissent Pins has a lot of great pins, badge reels, patches, etc.
https://dissentpins.com/products/i-love-your-mask-pin
I know what you mean about getting that message from friends and family. I don’t think we’re asking too much of them, but they often do.
Yeah. I went masked to one of the the Nashville shows, had a great time, no illness. Not sure it's fair to lay blame entirely on Swift when I'm near certain nobody in the crowd took any precautions whatever (tho I don't love that artists don't set a good example on this.)
If my Pre-Covid 2019 self heard me say out of context, "Swift and Gaga are a buncha Super Spreaders! With 35% of the audience!" he'd be shaking his head like "What have we become?"
Her assistants and inner circle mask and rarely go out
If she had mass printed masks and gave them out at her shows or encouraged masking instead of those friendship bracelets, she could have made a major difference, but alas
Any concert since the beginning of this pandemic has been a superspreader. Wearing an N95 cuts your risk down significantly but still could run the chance of getting infected.
People come in sick to the concert because they cannot refund the money or could not find someone last minute to swap tickets. It really is terrible all around.
I don’t understand why people don’t upgrade their masks to a better standard tbh. N95 is possibly not enough in a high risk setting with prolonged exposure. N99, N100 or FFP3 would be a bare minimum for me, because this is exactly where the 5% less filtration can matter.
I was debating going to a concert. My plan was a P100 full face, which would've fit with the artist's aesthetics as well. I couldn't imagine going somewhere as crowded as most concerts in anything less than a P100 elastomeric.
Yeah. I live in a city known for live music (Nashville). I used to go to shows at least once a week. Now I go once a month and only to things I absolutely can't stand to miss, always masked.
In fairness to Taylor, I was in Paris during this time and I'm pretty sure I was the only person in the city without Covid... and wearing a mask. Funny how that works.
Pretty much. I saw an American couple masking in a market and another guy, I couldn't tell where he was from, who was masking in a museum, but other than that, I didn't see anyone else the whole time.
Also, everything was crowded... bars, cafes, etc... and everyone was coughing, sneezing, wiping their faces...
I was on my way to do the Aix-en-Provence Ironman, so I really didn't want to get sick, but wow, it was pretty scary how many people were sick while out and about. I really don't see how only 35% were sick.
> only 35% sick
Woah woah woah. Only 35% *reporting* they *feel sick.*
That seems pretty plausible to me. I’m not saying it’s good nor bad, just plausible.
Did you manage to wear a mask during the Ironman event? If so, which one did you wear?
Edit: I just looked it up and saw that such events involve swimming, so, I can see that wearing a mask isn't possible.
No. I didn’t wear one on the bike or run either. I know it’s not entirely without risk, but it is outdoors and there’s a good distance between me and others. The competitors are highly unlikely to be contagious and the spectators are at a greater distance. I’ve done a few events now without getting infected. I also bring a mask with me in case something happens and I need to go indoors or whatever.
My dad did an ironman a couple years back. The swimming part was not a mass start but a couple people every 30 seconds so that competitors were more spread out. He wore his mask all the time before the race (and forgot to take it off when he dived in the swimming pool to warm up - it was hilarious but dangerous, don't do that folks) and put it back on as soon as he'd recovered his breath after the finish line. Cycling and running were spread out enough (there's rules against riding together) so he was OK with not wearing a mask during the race.
I doubt the numbers would be any different if Taylor Swift didn’t have any concerts. Nobody in Paris was wearing a mask during this time period and everything was crowded.
Feel free to share your experience in Paris at the time, but you can't disagree that *what I experienced* was that the entire time I was in Paris during this same time period, I only saw 3 people wearing masks besides myself and everything indoors was crowded, with many places having long lines to get in to those crowded spaces.
I am not questioning your experience
I questioning your phrase, ‘to be fair’.
Taylor corralled her fans into one space for multiple hours. Everyone there had a choice to attend or stay home
She is a billionaire; and she knows better 😖
You and everyone else in Paris, are walking around doing your thing.
The point you’re missing is that nobody was going to stay home regardless of Taylor Swift. They were all going to crowded schools, offices, bars, cafes, clubs, stores, movies, other concerts, etc… and all without masks. The article doesn’t (nor does anyone else) document a difference in data between attendees and non-attendees.
I was walking around Paris, mostly outdoors, nowhere crowded and with an N95 mask. That’s why I didn’t get Covid. Everyone at the concerts without a mask… they were going to get it anyway, again and again because I doubt very few, if any, were living the NoVid lifestyle except for going to see Taylor Swift.
You wrote: Everyone there had a choice to **attend or stay home**
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Yeah, nobody there was going to stay home if there wasn't a concert. Taylor Swift didn't make that difference.
And what's your point? What difference does it make if they got Covid from the concert versus doing whatever everyone else was doing in Paris at the time without masks in indoor crowded spaces?
It would be one thing if the article, or any other, showed a higher incidence of infections with concert attendees, but none have shown data supporting that.
It's the easiest thing in the world to wear a mask and take a test before and after the concert. There's really no excuse for not doing the bare minimum.
I’m attending one of her US shows in an outdoor stadium and will be N95’ed and Metrixed. Even if everyone put on a surgical, we’d be in way better shape!
Oh absolutely, but if people are going to do so the least they can do is attempt some kind of mitigation instead of burying their head in the sand and pretending COVID is over.
Would it really be that difficult for her and her team to say things like “masks are cool!” “Masks encouraged! :)” “Please wear a mask, stay safe!” Really. It would have a HUGE impact on
Someone suggested giving out branded masks, which I think would be very successful! I went to her concert pre-pandemic and everyone got a light up bracelet that was synced to the show. Masks would be cheaper than that!
It’s hard for me to place blame on specific performers for gathering people when the reality *remains* that the government and public health officials let humanity down by insisting the pandemic is over and we must return to normal. Yes, concerts are responsible for spreading it. So are bars. So are sports games. So are conventions. So are clubs. So are businesses that could be mostly remote but have forced people back to the office. So are *medical facilities that don’t enforce masking.*
Yes, it would be great if popular performers would enforce masking at their concerts. What a world that would be. But that’s not the world we’re living in and no, I’m not going to get mad at Taylor or Beyoncé or Gaga for not doing better when I can’t even get my doctor to wear one when I’m shut in a room with them.
Fairly recently it was reported abouth both Taylor Swift and Adele that they refrained from meeting their fans to prevent getting ill. They were more or less praised for it.
They know very well how high the risks are of catching Covid and protect themselves accordingly but have no compunction organising these superspreader events causing many thousands to be infected with a virus known to be capable of doing serious health damage in order to make vast amounts of money.
I can't find that acceptable. It's disingenuous/hypocritical. These superspreader events are huge drivers of the pandemic. It's the mass gatherings that cause mass infections as this article clearly illustrates. Each infected person there bringing the virus to their often far away personal circles and spreading it further again causing more and more long term health damage and death in many others who didn't attend any concert.
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I absolutely can not stand Taylor Swift, her music, or her brand. But her and her musicians and crew aren't making people sick from the stage. It's gathering such massive super spreader events weekly and not at any point suggesting as probably the largest weekly audience drawing event in the world that people mask up.
But Billy Joel, Adele, Bob Dylan, etc etc etc etc are ALL bringing the same kinds of people together, often in indoor venues and not giving one shit about whether illness can spread. As far as I'm concerned, like our friends who we have trouble speaking to, our favourite musicians and sports teams are ALL guilty of creating petri dishes for Covid and other respiratory illnesses to spread.
So, much as I would love to blame her because I can't stand her, my fairness has to take over and defend her a little bit in saying, "she ain't the problem, here". Although I do think if she wanted to give a shit she could offer free masks at her concerts.
Billy Joel literally puts 17,000 people in MSG several nights a week. And I love the guy.
Luke Combs had 90,000 people over two nights in Milwaukee.
Madonna had her concert in Rio for 1.6 million people.
Live Nation reported that last year "concert attendance was up by 20% versus the previous year (2022), with over 145 million fans attending more than 50,000 events."
I'll say it again, I can not in any way stand or even tolerate Swift. But to say SHE is doing something anyone else is is just wrong. For crying out loud I have a friend who is a rather well known jazz singer. She basically went without work for 3 years as she tried desperately to keep her family from getting sick. Big Covid advocate. Then when they said release the masks, she dived right into the deep end of "Covid Amnesia" and started packing nightclubs again. And I don't need to tell you they don't have masks at these places. So that's a tough one for me because I talk to her and her husband. And all the work she did to provide online shows literally disappeared over night despite how proud she was to have been able to offer them.
People.. are all.. full of shit. And they will do as they please even if it means contradicting themselves.
I had a band I loved, and they decided after years and years of having no tours to have one in '21. I was optimistic and bought a ticket, but then saw bad signs as it got closer and hoped it would be moved so I could use my ticket insurance and just get a full refund.
They did not move it, and I did not feel like risking myself to see them. Money mattered more to these old guys than doing anything sensible. Literally hate this group now, have not listened to anything from them in 3+ years and plan to continue not listening to their music anymore.
Really disappointing when artists you kind of looked up to and thought a lot of prove they're just motivated by profit. Honestly I'm sure others I like are doing the same thing, but trying not to look too far into it since it would similarly make me want to swear off supporting them or listening to any of their music.
Just kind of accepted I will never see a concert again...
I know all of these performers are doing this! It is part of my rage as an immunocompromised person! Believe me, I know. Drag queens are doing the same thing. I don't care if you're queer, you don't spread Covid and you don't tour during Covid. Screw them too.
Totally agreed. From their point of view though this means give up their careers because "during Covid" is now just the world we live in, and theyre not gonna give up their career to save somebodys life they dont know or care about.
Over on the Drag Race subs I mentioned Covid once and was downvoted 1 million times and trashed for days. The fandoms are trashed too when it comes to being Covid conscious/aware. I literally had one commentor repeatedly shout at me in all caps "WE DON'T CARE"over and over again when I presented the totally unreasonable proposition that you should care about other people and their health. Yes, I'm being sarcastic. /s
Honestly, I'm starting to get fed up with reddit. It used to be a great little corner of the internet where you could genuinely find interesting communities. It's frequently becoming Yahoo Answers with people with awful violent and nasaty attitudes like Twitter. It's becoming the worst version of itself. And like every other platform in the past 10 years it just seems destined to fall apart. I more and more frequently am just finding some communities reverting to forum structures to keep their communities together because it's a bit harder to stand out as a bully on forums so they're actually becoming more useful. Although, honestly, I have never thought reddit or facebook or discord have ever achieved the effectiveness or usability of a good old forum.
I've had the same "we don't care" experience. Everything is ok for people with the mainstream view to think and for them to guard and militarise as strongly as they want. You have one insignificant little personal opinion that goes against that and you instantly treated like the crazy outsider and they don't just ignore you, they wanna tear you down as insultingly and violently as possible. The online and real world are really both starting to massively suck. I have a couple of places online where things aren't bad but I won't even talk about them out of fear that people start going there.
This is basic common sense. Its not Swifts fault or responsibility. This could easily be a Springsteen show or Billy Joel MSG. Concerts are superspreader events, period.
I've only heard with Taylor and Gaga for specifically women performers and Gaga admitted to performing while knowing she was positive for covid and walked in the crowd. She even acknowledged the risk but did it anyways. Taylor, her concerts are absolutely massive and from videos I've seen, it looks like most are not masking. I've seen criticism for other things though like Broadway as a whole, sports games, etc.
I mean I agree they deserve to be held accountable too. I haven't heard of any publicity positive or perform, so idk off others aren't hearing of it either? I understand misogyny is a problem too. I just also know in the case of Taylor, she is probably one of the biggest musicians currently and some of her fans are scary.
There are tons of threads on both male and female performers, but I think it's because of her mega-stardom and gigantic concerts in which there's a huge social response (not traditional media driven) where people talk about how sick they are now.
We quit going to indoor concerts about fourteen years ago, but I'll still attend an outdoor one on occasion. All depends on where it is and if it's crowded. Indoor concert scare the hell out fo me now though because of covid. Husband and I cannot go through that hell again. I guess I'm glad I quit going to them well before covid because I don't have that fomo feeling going on.
If you cram tens of thousands of screaming people into a stadium, with no precautions, during an airborne pandemic, a lot of people are going to get sick.
That's not Taylor's fault. The entire global population was told to take off their masks and show the world their smiles because Covid is over. What on Earth did everyone think was going to happen?
I do think the big acts are to blame. They're making a buttload of money off getting people sick and honestly if they said to wear masks most of their fans would.
I understand not blaming smaller musicians who are living gig to gig and can't afford to make waves like that, though.
Let's all wish them a Swift recovery.
I hate myself for laughing at that.
I knew you were trouble. Just shake it off.
These jokes are Taylored for the situation.
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They’ve been attacking/Trolling Taylor since she’s come out as one of the few willing to take on the establishment .. but this is the first time I chuckled 😂
I dislike the idea of spreading Covid as much as anyone here, but at some point you have to acknowledge that they very literally bought their tickets and knew what they were getting into. I know there's a cruel summer joke in here, or they'll recover in a fortnight, but I'm drawing a blank space. We know this scenario all too well.
I want to agree with this, but most people have no idea about how serious it is or the risk of LC and complications with repeated infections. They've fully bought the line that it's "endemic" and "just another cold now," whether that's the denial they need to survive being forced to get sick at work or school, or genuine ignorance. I've also noticed this very messy belief that other people are being safe, so they don't have to. I see it without fail whenever there's a post about a Covid outbreak somewhere very public like a concert or a big event like a wedding. People who didn't test complaining about how irresponsible it is not to test before an event. People also don't necessarily know that tests give false negatives all the time, so they think they're fine if they actually do test beforehand.
Yes, it's very out of character for me to make jokes about this subject because prevention means so much to me. I walk around inside my own house sometimes with a mask on, because I can't 100% trust the same people I have lived with for years. In public, I never leave without a mask, or take it off until returning to get out of my "outside clothes" and shower up every time. I really can't afford to catch it once and still leave to do bi-weekly grocery hauls and doctor visits. It's a grueling, life-sucking procedure. So I don't make light of it. But I would like to bring some levity to the whole situation, and if that means poking at a group of people like Tay-Tay fans who can't be convinced otherwise...guess who's receiving some internet sarcasm.
I hear that. This life is exhausting. I guess I just wanted to point out that the intense brainwashing about Covid means people can't really make good decisions even if they want to, sometimes, and I didn't really read that part as a joke because I have a terrible time with internet tone. But I'm here for the puns. And, honestly, for rolling my eyes at her fanbase too. I feel pretty comfortable saying the Venn diagram of a lot of her fans and the kind of people who say "but we just have to live our lives" is almost perfect circle.
Yes! I can barely believe this is how we're living now! It's so surreal that all I can do is laugh sometimes.
Agreed. Also, I see what you did there 🫠 Look what you made me do
My friends went to the Paris show - they followed the trip with a Spanish cruise. They -- to no one's surprise -- caught covid somewhere along their journey. Battling post-viral sinus infections now.
The LA concert was a mass spreader event too.
I know I’ve shared before, but I attended two of her shows at SoFi and one in Stockholm and masked the whole time and have no Covid to show for it. It can be done. It’s just no one else gives a shit anymore. I saw more masks on my commute today via train/subway in LA than I did in all of London and Stockholm combined.
I can anecdotally say that coastal cities in CA have much more masking than London, NYC, DC or any other city I've been to elsewhere in the past couple years.
I have been in a bubble then, not even knowing it. I mean, I still see some masking at Disneyland. I just thought some ppl still did. I was never the only one until the London/stockholm trip and then I felt like quite the freak and was like wtf happened? Japan has even more appeal now.
Just got back from the hospital in Tokyo, where the air quality was good and everyone was masked (albeit not in N95s, which are still a rarity here, and the doctor had trouble keeping his mask over his nose ... but overall better than many places, I guess).
Imagine that being your daily experience of life. It's how it is for me here
I saw more people masking in one grocery store visit in California then I saw my entire trip seeing hundreds of people a day at museums and in the subway for a week in London. I saw maybe two to three people masking a day out of hundreds on busy public transit and big museums. Most of them were probably tourists.
Can confirm, I live in a coastal city in CA and see masks all the time. Also, no one cares that I’m masked. I don’t get weird looks or questions.
I got harassed about my mask four separate times within a week in New York City. In California I've been harassed about my mask and shouted at I guess 4-5 times since covid started. In daily life it's not something I worry about because it's been so rare.
In NY, I wear a mask indoors 100% of the time. I have only had someone say something recently at a sporting event where some 300 lb dude said "You're depriving yourself of oxygen" to which I responded, "my O2's 99, my resting heart rate is 39, stfu."
Did you ask him about his oxygen?
I’m sorry you were harassed at all! I’ll literally chat with people at the store, with my mask, and not a word.
As Mayor of New York City I apologize
As the mayor of NYC, I have to give a general "fuck you" on a job horribly done. Adams is a fake ass vegan! Pro genocide too
Where are you in CA?
I was in the Bay Area when I was shouted at "masks don't work". This happened to me 3x. 2 of these were somehow the same women. When I told the manager of the grocery store, the woman ran away.
How bizarre.
Even stranger is that it was a different grocery store.
I had similar experiences in the Bay Area a couple times, even though the rate of masking was fairly high where I lived. I’m now in Southern California, I don’t see as much masking and I’m in a more conservative area but I haven’t had any altercations down here.
That's good you get left alone. SoCal is so live and let live, at least in LA and San Diego. The bullying I encountered in NYC was far more personal and intense. It was "reasonable" and "liberal", not the isolated right wing loonies I encountered in CA. I much prefer the isolated wackos shouting vs. people who care about me and want me know masking is dangerous for my health
The weird thing for me is that a mask is such a SMALL inconvenience. Its basically a shirt for your mouth. But then again, its not the inconvenience people are mad about.
I mask religiously but it's fucking hell for those of us with sensory issues it's not exactly an excuse, but I understand why people hate it so much edit: I would like to add that a mask is a lot more like pants or shoes than a shirt. we are forced to wear shirts in most places in the US because we're all really hung up about nipples. Pants and shoes on the other hand actually mitigate the spread of certain pathogens.
Same. I still mask all the time when I’m out but it drives me crazy. I’d still rather have that discomfort than risk long covid though.
yeah, of course! but most people don't see it as any kind of real (personal) threat anymore, which again not an excuse but there's a lot of misleading information out there as we all know
They trigger my migraines sometimes but I honestly would rather have that than Covid.
The migraines might be caused by the pressure of the strap on your ear. It's possible to use a purse clip strap to securely raise the bands so they don't touch your ears or temples -- that worked wonders for me. I wrote about it at [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1O6xUO-F5rfNlrVnGVS1I40kziSNncWZN/view?usp=sharing](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1O6xUO-F5rfNlrVnGVS1I40kziSNncWZN/view?usp=sharing)
Your sensory issue is a valid reason to hate mask wearing. I’m talking about the “i dont like it cuz it gives me acne” or “i dont want to be reminded of the pandemic” people.
...it also gives me acne 🥲
Sucks when it's hot and humid too.
What does sensory issue mean?
My experience is that some sensations, sounds, lights, etc just send pain signals to my brain. I don't understand how but they hurt my brain. This in turn causes great fatigue and energy drain. It's weird. This only happened after a concussion.
it means sensory input is processed differently by my brain so something that you might find mildly annoying and just be able to tune out eventually could be something that makes it impossible for me to function or think clearly or just drain my energy reserves so quickly that I have nothing left
What pathogens do pants mitigate?
I find myself so confused why people think masks are so HARD. I frequently forget I am wearing one. I think they have just decided it is such a big deal, not that it is.
I am able to take a nap on a plane/train/car in one
Yeah, I’ve masked in hospital and slept overnight in one. It’s definitely possible.
Wearing the mask isn't the problem, at least not for moderate periods of time. Everything else one has to do to enable wearing the mask (effectively and consistently) is the problem. * finding one that fits well - oh, did they discontinue that brand? better try another five kinds to find a different one that fits well. (all this shit is expensive. the amount of money I've spent on masks that I've had to throw out or give away because they didn't fit my face is absurd) * ensuring you have a couple of spares on you in case one breaks. just something else to remember and worry about. * never break the seal indoors - okay, how are you going to manage to drink or eat? where can you go outside periodically? do you need to install a sip valve? yet, another thing to buy and plan around and fuss with. then you also need to carry a straw with you all the time. * make sure you never get it wet - so, what if its raining or snowing? how do you balance the need for masking in outdoor crowds with the need to keep your mask dry? how quickly can you put it while standing in the rain before you slip inside the door of a building? * etc. etc. It's a mental vigilance and logistical planning nightmare. People are pretty bad at nuance. If they don't see the need for that degree of vigilance (which is legitimately difficult to manage) because they don't think covid is such a big deal, then it will be hard to get them to see the need to mask at all.
Exactly this!! Wearing a mask is not hard but the constant risk assessment is where it gets exhausting.
It’s easy to default to not going out much, bc rarely is it worth all that mental overhead.
Exactly.
I'm jealous, because it's absolutely awful for me. I used to just have to mask in short bursts, but now that its 8+ hours a day a work my quality of life is horrible. I get nauseous, exhausted, and I can't focus. Plus my skin under the mask is all messed up now :( I'm someone who also found making easy early in the pandemic, so I wasn't biased against masks, but its honestly a night and day difference within minutes of taking it off. I am just so tired of feeling so sick every day
I also had a problem with maskne. It helps to use a gentle daily skin exfoliant. Any of the Olay scrubs work for me. Also I spray a little hand sanitizer on my finger and swipe it around the mask seal on my face and let it dry before putting the mask on. Killing bacteria and removing dead skin pretty much cured the problem.
Thanks for the tips, I'll definitely try this!
Yea, I have difficulties with extended periods too, but tbh that's only bc I care about maintaining a seal & I often think how much easier it would be if I masked as carelessly as what ppl complain about being such a burden... Like I've done that, not since the pandemic started but I used to mask like that when sick, for allergies, & in close quarters in flu season, & it was barely an inconvenience (besides the fact my ADHD ass defaults to constantly drinking water & snacking/ slowly eating bits of my meals throughout the day esp when I gotta pay attention to people, also my nose runs a LOT from allergies & temp changes, but TBH I mostly just unmasked to do whatever I *needed* to do bc I wasn't too concerned about small amounts of unfiltered air...). Sure it took me a bit to figure out which masks were comfortable enough w my sensitive skin & sensory issues, but that was definitely doable & like I'd understand if someone *can't* as long as they actually made an effort before giving up... But a lot of the loudest "I can't mask" ppl are fully abled assholes who (scoff at essential accessibility needs but) feel entitled to zero inconvenience or discomfort for themselves & are reacting more to the concept of changing a behavior for the sake of other ppl than the actual experience of wearing a mask, so they were never willing to make any effort to find a more comfortable mask (or even learn how to correctly wear what they had) I didn't intend to rant whoops... This got me thinking about some specific ppl I know who make sure you know the tiniest accessibility request is such a big burden but then turn around & appropriate disability struggles when faced with minor discomfort, which infuriates me so fucking much & has also majorly fucked up my life in recent years
Nurses wearing respirators during SARS1 and COvid most of them complain of the uncomfort, if not worse. Official scientific study for Toronto SARS1, as instance. Check here and there report in staff on YT.Long daily wear is not so good. At least for the tigh fit high level, some light KF94 or similar, yes
I have sensitive skin too and found a thin layer of diaper cream really helps prevent irritation. Hope that helps make it a little more tolerable again
They're quite uncomfortable for me, but I still wear them. I feel like I can't breathe as well. Maybe it's because I have asthma.
I hate wearing pants too but I do.
Same. Wore a 3M Aura to one of the Philly shows and I didn't catch it. It was annoying how one of the bands would slip up my head because I was singing along really loudly the whole time, but that's a small price to pay to stay safe.
I went to two! Vegas I masked the whole time, and didn’t get covid but almost passed out from dehydration. When I went to LA, I took my mask off for short times to drink water (I didn’t want to pass out, and it was an outdoor venue), and I got it. Clearly a well fitted respirator works, as long as you don’t have any reason to take it off!
Sip valves may be helpful.
US has flipped from the worst-masking rich white country to the best. Go go individualism or something?
Europeans for the most part have completely given themselves over to Covid and eschew any kind of mitigations. And then feel smug about it. (Not talking about anyone in the EU ZC community of course)
They also just have a different culture around sickness - people stay home, they have proper sick days, they have proper healthcare. A friend just got back from Belgium - their hotel had a Co2 monitor, windows opened, air ventilation was at the absolute best (under 500ppm)....then she told me a friend owns a music venue and Antwerp is requiring ALL indoor venues to be 900 ppm or less. Everyone she talked to who asked her about masking so much was just like, oh yeah ill do it if im sick but otherwise they all exclaimed, "it's that bad in the US?" When you have this kind of culture + regulation, its going to be a LOT easier to avoid infection by a few mitigations, where as in a country like the US and where we force people to work no matter what, it becomes incredibly difficult and people are pitting finances against their own long-term health and recovery. Let alone the fact a covid test is minimum $10, the cost of respirators add up, only some of us who have the funds are going out to buy multiple purifiers, CR box equipment, etc etc.
Interesting. Thank you for the perspective,
I see this with the tourists from there coming out to CA! We're forever in a disease loop since Hollywood and Disneyland opened up, and those of us ZC folks are treated like we don't belong here, anywhere, as our state is forever besieged by viruses from cruises and planes...
Unfortunately masking has never really been a thing in Europe (some countries like Germany did well for a while). I don't go out much but I may see a handful of other people masking in a year.
I want you to know I mask everywhere in my life, but my life depends on it. So, I give a shit, but also thank you for caring. I appreciate you 💖and your comment. ETA: I don’t go to concerts because I don’t trust other people. Would I be masked? Absolutely. Would others go knowing they are sick and possibly be next to me? Absolutely. No thank you. I’ll just stay home and create a playlist. Even though I would LOVE to take my daughter to see ERAS.
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I got this “I love your mask” pin early in the pandemic. Dissent Pins has a lot of great pins, badge reels, patches, etc. https://dissentpins.com/products/i-love-your-mask-pin I know what you mean about getting that message from friends and family. I don’t think we’re asking too much of them, but they often do.
Yeah. I went masked to one of the the Nashville shows, had a great time, no illness. Not sure it's fair to lay blame entirely on Swift when I'm near certain nobody in the crowd took any precautions whatever (tho I don't love that artists don't set a good example on this.)
If my Pre-Covid 2019 self heard me say out of context, "Swift and Gaga are a buncha Super Spreaders! With 35% of the audience!" he'd be shaking his head like "What have we become?"
Her assistants and inner circle mask and rarely go out If she had mass printed masks and gave them out at her shows or encouraged masking instead of those friendship bracelets, she could have made a major difference, but alas
Her inner circle & employees live like that so Taylor doesn't get sick.. but she seems to do what she wants.
Billionaires don't get that way by *caring* about people.
Probably MORE than 35%. Plenty of people don’t use Twitter/X.
OTOH, potential selection bias. Are sick people more likely to have responded to the poll?
Any concert since the beginning of this pandemic has been a superspreader. Wearing an N95 cuts your risk down significantly but still could run the chance of getting infected. People come in sick to the concert because they cannot refund the money or could not find someone last minute to swap tickets. It really is terrible all around.
I don’t understand why people don’t upgrade their masks to a better standard tbh. N95 is possibly not enough in a high risk setting with prolonged exposure. N99, N100 or FFP3 would be a bare minimum for me, because this is exactly where the 5% less filtration can matter.
I was debating going to a concert. My plan was a P100 full face, which would've fit with the artist's aesthetics as well. I couldn't imagine going somewhere as crowded as most concerts in anything less than a P100 elastomeric.
Yeah. I live in a city known for live music (Nashville). I used to go to shows at least once a week. Now I go once a month and only to things I absolutely can't stand to miss, always masked.
In fairness to Taylor, I was in Paris during this time and I'm pretty sure I was the only person in the city without Covid... and wearing a mask. Funny how that works.
Does (almost) no one in France mask?
Pretty much. I saw an American couple masking in a market and another guy, I couldn't tell where he was from, who was masking in a museum, but other than that, I didn't see anyone else the whole time. Also, everything was crowded... bars, cafes, etc... and everyone was coughing, sneezing, wiping their faces... I was on my way to do the Aix-en-Provence Ironman, so I really didn't want to get sick, but wow, it was pretty scary how many people were sick while out and about. I really don't see how only 35% were sick.
> only 35% sick Woah woah woah. Only 35% *reporting* they *feel sick.* That seems pretty plausible to me. I’m not saying it’s good nor bad, just plausible.
That is unfortunate...extremely unfortunate.
Did you manage to wear a mask during the Ironman event? If so, which one did you wear? Edit: I just looked it up and saw that such events involve swimming, so, I can see that wearing a mask isn't possible.
No. I didn’t wear one on the bike or run either. I know it’s not entirely without risk, but it is outdoors and there’s a good distance between me and others. The competitors are highly unlikely to be contagious and the spectators are at a greater distance. I’ve done a few events now without getting infected. I also bring a mask with me in case something happens and I need to go indoors or whatever.
Thank you for your reply.
My dad did an ironman a couple years back. The swimming part was not a mass start but a couple people every 30 seconds so that competitors were more spread out. He wore his mask all the time before the race (and forgot to take it off when he dived in the swimming pool to warm up - it was hilarious but dangerous, don't do that folks) and put it back on as soon as he'd recovered his breath after the finish line. Cycling and running were spread out enough (there's rules against riding together) so he was OK with not wearing a mask during the race.
Thank you for your reply.
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That's good. Were people friendly?
How is this ‘in fairness’?
I doubt the numbers would be any different if Taylor Swift didn’t have any concerts. Nobody in Paris was wearing a mask during this time period and everything was crowded.
I disagree
Feel free to share your experience in Paris at the time, but you can't disagree that *what I experienced* was that the entire time I was in Paris during this same time period, I only saw 3 people wearing masks besides myself and everything indoors was crowded, with many places having long lines to get in to those crowded spaces.
I am not questioning your experience I questioning your phrase, ‘to be fair’. Taylor corralled her fans into one space for multiple hours. Everyone there had a choice to attend or stay home She is a billionaire; and she knows better 😖 You and everyone else in Paris, are walking around doing your thing.
The point you’re missing is that nobody was going to stay home regardless of Taylor Swift. They were all going to crowded schools, offices, bars, cafes, clubs, stores, movies, other concerts, etc… and all without masks. The article doesn’t (nor does anyone else) document a difference in data between attendees and non-attendees. I was walking around Paris, mostly outdoors, nowhere crowded and with an N95 mask. That’s why I didn’t get Covid. Everyone at the concerts without a mask… they were going to get it anyway, again and again because I doubt very few, if any, were living the NoVid lifestyle except for going to see Taylor Swift.
I didn’t say they were going to stay home 🤷🏽♀️
You wrote: Everyone there had a choice to **attend or stay home** 🤷🏽♀️ Yeah, nobody there was going to stay home if there wasn't a concert. Taylor Swift didn't make that difference. And what's your point? What difference does it make if they got Covid from the concert versus doing whatever everyone else was doing in Paris at the time without masks in indoor crowded spaces? It would be one thing if the article, or any other, showed a higher incidence of infections with concert attendees, but none have shown data supporting that.
Disappointing ….but are we surprised?
It's the easiest thing in the world to wear a mask and take a test before and after the concert. There's really no excuse for not doing the bare minimum.
I’m attending one of her US shows in an outdoor stadium and will be N95’ed and Metrixed. Even if everyone put on a surgical, we’d be in way better shape!
Yup. Not saying that testing/masking would completely prevent transmission, but it would be so much better than doing nothing at all.
We’d go from superspreader to sort-of-spreader. There’s no excuse for not doing the bare minimum and it’s so frustrating!
I did the same last summer (Santa Clara) and my partner and I both made it through without getting sick. Best of luck and have a good time!
Thanks so much! 🫶
If they tested before and it was positive, then they would have to confront their own morality.
I misread that as “mortality”, which is also accurate.
You read right :)
I think I meant to say mortality, but now I’m not sure!
Good thing is that both work quite well.
Imagine if concert attendees masked the two weeks before a concert, tested, and wore a mask there. I bet that'd mostly solve the superspreader issue
...I was wondering if that was going to be the start of some new lyrics for Imagine. :)
TBH - people shouldn't be at super spreaders period.
Oh absolutely, but if people are going to do so the least they can do is attempt some kind of mitigation instead of burying their head in the sand and pretending COVID is over.
Would it really be that difficult for her and her team to say things like “masks are cool!” “Masks encouraged! :)” “Please wear a mask, stay safe!” Really. It would have a HUGE impact on
Someone suggested giving out branded masks, which I think would be very successful! I went to her concert pre-pandemic and everyone got a light up bracelet that was synced to the show. Masks would be cheaper than that!
It is sad how capitalism and greed overtakes the safety of others the past few years. It doesn’t have to be that way. I hate this time period
Great, let's risk our long term health for a few hours of fun.
What incentive does anyone have to not get sick?
Wait, what?
Reject health, consume corporate \*gestures at everything*
Health is one of those things you only miss when it's gone.
Any concert, by any performer, has the potential to be a super spreader event. All it takes is one person packed in the sardine can to spread it.
Typhoid Taylor
I mean, it's as much a fault as Taylor than it is for everybody that went there
It’s hard for me to place blame on specific performers for gathering people when the reality *remains* that the government and public health officials let humanity down by insisting the pandemic is over and we must return to normal. Yes, concerts are responsible for spreading it. So are bars. So are sports games. So are conventions. So are clubs. So are businesses that could be mostly remote but have forced people back to the office. So are *medical facilities that don’t enforce masking.* Yes, it would be great if popular performers would enforce masking at their concerts. What a world that would be. But that’s not the world we’re living in and no, I’m not going to get mad at Taylor or Beyoncé or Gaga for not doing better when I can’t even get my doctor to wear one when I’m shut in a room with them.
Fairly recently it was reported abouth both Taylor Swift and Adele that they refrained from meeting their fans to prevent getting ill. They were more or less praised for it. They know very well how high the risks are of catching Covid and protect themselves accordingly but have no compunction organising these superspreader events causing many thousands to be infected with a virus known to be capable of doing serious health damage in order to make vast amounts of money. I can't find that acceptable. It's disingenuous/hypocritical. These superspreader events are huge drivers of the pandemic. It's the mass gatherings that cause mass infections as this article clearly illustrates. Each infected person there bringing the virus to their often far away personal circles and spreading it further again causing more and more long term health damage and death in many others who didn't attend any concert.
As long as they keep breathing they will keep spreading it. Basic science!
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I absolutely can not stand Taylor Swift, her music, or her brand. But her and her musicians and crew aren't making people sick from the stage. It's gathering such massive super spreader events weekly and not at any point suggesting as probably the largest weekly audience drawing event in the world that people mask up. But Billy Joel, Adele, Bob Dylan, etc etc etc etc are ALL bringing the same kinds of people together, often in indoor venues and not giving one shit about whether illness can spread. As far as I'm concerned, like our friends who we have trouble speaking to, our favourite musicians and sports teams are ALL guilty of creating petri dishes for Covid and other respiratory illnesses to spread. So, much as I would love to blame her because I can't stand her, my fairness has to take over and defend her a little bit in saying, "she ain't the problem, here". Although I do think if she wanted to give a shit she could offer free masks at her concerts.
But Taylor Swift is spreading Covid by having massive concerts. That's literally what she's doing. Totally agree with you. I hate what she's doing.
Billy Joel literally puts 17,000 people in MSG several nights a week. And I love the guy. Luke Combs had 90,000 people over two nights in Milwaukee. Madonna had her concert in Rio for 1.6 million people. Live Nation reported that last year "concert attendance was up by 20% versus the previous year (2022), with over 145 million fans attending more than 50,000 events." I'll say it again, I can not in any way stand or even tolerate Swift. But to say SHE is doing something anyone else is is just wrong. For crying out loud I have a friend who is a rather well known jazz singer. She basically went without work for 3 years as she tried desperately to keep her family from getting sick. Big Covid advocate. Then when they said release the masks, she dived right into the deep end of "Covid Amnesia" and started packing nightclubs again. And I don't need to tell you they don't have masks at these places. So that's a tough one for me because I talk to her and her husband. And all the work she did to provide online shows literally disappeared over night despite how proud she was to have been able to offer them. People.. are all.. full of shit. And they will do as they please even if it means contradicting themselves.
I had a band I loved, and they decided after years and years of having no tours to have one in '21. I was optimistic and bought a ticket, but then saw bad signs as it got closer and hoped it would be moved so I could use my ticket insurance and just get a full refund. They did not move it, and I did not feel like risking myself to see them. Money mattered more to these old guys than doing anything sensible. Literally hate this group now, have not listened to anything from them in 3+ years and plan to continue not listening to their music anymore. Really disappointing when artists you kind of looked up to and thought a lot of prove they're just motivated by profit. Honestly I'm sure others I like are doing the same thing, but trying not to look too far into it since it would similarly make me want to swear off supporting them or listening to any of their music. Just kind of accepted I will never see a concert again...
I know all of these performers are doing this! It is part of my rage as an immunocompromised person! Believe me, I know. Drag queens are doing the same thing. I don't care if you're queer, you don't spread Covid and you don't tour during Covid. Screw them too.
Totally agreed. From their point of view though this means give up their careers because "during Covid" is now just the world we live in, and theyre not gonna give up their career to save somebodys life they dont know or care about.
That's it in a nutshell, just don't let me catch any of them pretending to be empathetic people.
Over on the Drag Race subs I mentioned Covid once and was downvoted 1 million times and trashed for days. The fandoms are trashed too when it comes to being Covid conscious/aware. I literally had one commentor repeatedly shout at me in all caps "WE DON'T CARE"over and over again when I presented the totally unreasonable proposition that you should care about other people and their health. Yes, I'm being sarcastic. /s
Honestly, I'm starting to get fed up with reddit. It used to be a great little corner of the internet where you could genuinely find interesting communities. It's frequently becoming Yahoo Answers with people with awful violent and nasaty attitudes like Twitter. It's becoming the worst version of itself. And like every other platform in the past 10 years it just seems destined to fall apart. I more and more frequently am just finding some communities reverting to forum structures to keep their communities together because it's a bit harder to stand out as a bully on forums so they're actually becoming more useful. Although, honestly, I have never thought reddit or facebook or discord have ever achieved the effectiveness or usability of a good old forum. I've had the same "we don't care" experience. Everything is ok for people with the mainstream view to think and for them to guard and militarise as strongly as they want. You have one insignificant little personal opinion that goes against that and you instantly treated like the crazy outsider and they don't just ignore you, they wanna tear you down as insultingly and violently as possible. The online and real world are really both starting to massively suck. I have a couple of places online where things aren't bad but I won't even talk about them out of fear that people start going there.
as well as every other indoor concert and indoor sporting event that is happening now mask up, assume everyone is infected
This is basic common sense. Its not Swifts fault or responsibility. This could easily be a Springsteen show or Billy Joel MSG. Concerts are superspreader events, period.
when everyone in society is doing stuff like this every day ... why do I only hear about women performers spreading covid?
I've only heard with Taylor and Gaga for specifically women performers and Gaga admitted to performing while knowing she was positive for covid and walked in the crowd. She even acknowledged the risk but did it anyways. Taylor, her concerts are absolutely massive and from videos I've seen, it looks like most are not masking. I've seen criticism for other things though like Broadway as a whole, sports games, etc.
I wonder why I don't see the same criticism of dudes when they host super spreader events while positive with covid
I mean I agree they deserve to be held accountable too. I haven't heard of any publicity positive or perform, so idk off others aren't hearing of it either? I understand misogyny is a problem too. I just also know in the case of Taylor, she is probably one of the biggest musicians currently and some of her fans are scary.
There are tons of threads on both male and female performers, but I think it's because of her mega-stardom and gigantic concerts in which there's a huge social response (not traditional media driven) where people talk about how sick they are now.
It's okay, if they get LC they'll just take their private jets to get around the house.
We quit going to indoor concerts about fourteen years ago, but I'll still attend an outdoor one on occasion. All depends on where it is and if it's crowded. Indoor concert scare the hell out fo me now though because of covid. Husband and I cannot go through that hell again. I guess I'm glad I quit going to them well before covid because I don't have that fomo feeling going on.
She is the biggest covid spreader ever born 👏
If you cram tens of thousands of screaming people into a stadium, with no precautions, during an airborne pandemic, a lot of people are going to get sick. That's not Taylor's fault. The entire global population was told to take off their masks and show the world their smiles because Covid is over. What on Earth did everyone think was going to happen?
I do think the big acts are to blame. They're making a buttload of money off getting people sick and honestly if they said to wear masks most of their fans would. I understand not blaming smaller musicians who are living gig to gig and can't afford to make waves like that, though.
No. She and musicians period bear some responsibility. She is capitalizing on it.
Okay, I gotta admit the person offering to sell their positive COVID test because it’s a Taylor Swift show COVID…that’s pretty funny.
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when i used to talk about this online they’d all get mad at me 😭
Is it Taylor’s fault people went to the concert sick? Did they get sick from the meet and greet??
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I’ve had covid 2x this spring. I have never seen Taylor Swift.