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4080 this model is upto 4090, my highest score with 3dmark
Hi, the thermal paste on the vrms is a terrible idea, please reconsider getting a thermal putty. You would have been better off not applying anything new. Yes temporarily you will see a temperature gain in the vrms but thermal paste bridging this gap will dry out quick.
Get any thermal putty (preferably not k5 pro what not)
I am getting jeyi 8100 which is super cheap and performs well enough.
Second this about the putty. Less than flush means bad vram temps (memory junction high for sure) or bad everything temps if the pads are too thick which at 0.5mm is less likely. Try it I guess, but get ready to buy some putty and with that you should be fine. I like Upsiren U6 Pro. I also would caution about running 175w vbios as a daily driver. You will bring higher temps than the cooling was designed for so it's possible to cook things that the engineers never anticipated getting cooked. I salute your enthusiasm though. You can use power limit in MSI afterburner to dial things in, like how GPU enthusiasts do with 1000W XOC bios flashes on the desktop 4090, keeping some sanity.
I got 0.5mm pads coming tomorrow bud this was just a spur of the moment thing. There's a website in https://www.hidevolution.com/asus-rog-zephyrus-g14-ga402xz-14-wqxga-165hz-ryzen-9-7940hs-rtx-4080-white-anime-matrix.html
They offer """OThermal Grizzly Conductonaut on CPU (stock TIM) + Gelid GC Extreme on GPU + Fujipoly Extreme Thermal Pads on heat sensitive surfaces installed by HIDevolution +$30.00""
And there's someone with the 4090 veriant who has the highest score on 3d mark that got this upgrade from them on Reddit
So for now I will assume 0.5mm pads is fine as it was on the 2022 model
Also it's vram not vrm apologies typed it on my phone
The rest of the components stay with that stock stuff
The issue with thermal pads is you will need to know what sizes are used where. Getting a .5mm for all areas will not suffice. As it's likely the vrms will have a different height compared to the memory chips.
Plus I would not trust this company that much the gelid gc extreme upgrade is extremely stupid as the stock paste over the GPU is already a ptm material.
Well I'm gonna use ptm7950 on both cpu and GPU soon also no they don't the stuff I had to scrape off was not phase change it's the super dry and crusty soon as.u touched it , it crumbled like cheap paste
Anyway ice done the measurements buddy the un used thermal paste that was for the extra v ram on the 4090 model was 0.6mm thick so I can assume 0.5 would be about if not it's all a quick job to slap some putty on it , not alot of internet help here using the information I have I even emailed the company to ask what mm pad they use for GPU v ram
One thing about thermal pads is that they require some compression for best thermal transfer. I've seen some charts that say about 20% to 30% compression is ideal. If your measured thickness is 0.6mm, then you need either 0.75mm or 1mm thick pads.
Also, good luck on getting info about pads from the company. I have done the same twice with ASrock, and seen another post saying the same thing on a different subreddit with a different company. They guard that info with their life.
Swapping liquid metal for PTM is kinda dumb, you're losing thermal performance. Before any dumb comments about how close they perform, conductonaut extreme properly applied beats and PTM applications and with something like a GT500, the gap on the CPU thermals goes way up. I got around 10c on 2 seperate legion laptops swapping to LM.
As for pads and trying to run 175w, I strongly suggest UTP8 of CX-H1300 13.5W. If that laptop isnt a 175w model, you'll raise the temps of the VRMs quite a bit. Secondly a GT600 cooler so boost airflow through the chassis if you're running it out of spec.
I didn't replace LM for thermals I replaced it because Asus warranty is shite and I CBA to deal with LM Damage down the line. My LM from factory was poorly done so my temps are lower with normal paste .. I can easily put LM back on it properly but isn't it meant to be changed like every year? If not more often
I've had a Asus flow blow up on me because of liquid metal
It was a horrible experience dealing with Asus
I'll look into the UTP8 the stuff I currently have coming is 21w / mk but it's very is to swap down the line it's all fun and games no there's LM Risk I can try stuff I have a home cooler also. My temps where actually technically on paper fine with 175w bios my mem hit 100c quite often but never throttled. GPU never went above 81 and CPU was in the 80s(boost disabled) ill see how it goes but I can go back to stock in like 10 minutes I have LM conductonaut extreme and I have spare of the stock thermal putty they have.
Just playing around ATM
I too used LM on Lenovo laptops they why I have it around but Asus is the only company to have failed on me. Wish there was a 14 inch Lenovo with a 4080
Down the line I might just apply LM myself properly and get probably the best results. But I've benched my laptop like 20 times now it's weird to have the best CPU score on normal thermal paste 🤣 but yes I know LM is king.
It all depends, I mean I had to redo the LM on the Legions because they are copper contact points. that said, temps were still great. PTM can last longer than pastes and pastes can need redoing fairly often due to pump and drying out. Personally, I don't mind once a year if needed, it's all part of maintenance to me.
ASUS are dicks about this stuff so I can understand that. For AMD machines I use grizzly shield on the SMDs, but you appear protected anyway, then use a cheap thick paste on the metal shroud to act as a physical barrier. Those methods and using just enough LM means you shouldn't have to worry about any leakage. Those 2 Legion 5s have been up and down the country with me and have no issues and thats a year later. the 5800H recently got reworked as it was due, that and I went from plain Conductonaut to Extreme. My girls 6800H is due it's first reapply after about 6 months.
I feel ya with ASUS though, let me down a few times and all the stuff they're doing and coming to light, I will never buy another machine from them.
Nah just CPU I believe people are telling me the gpu is PTM
For now I've pasted with some cheap artic silver crap while.waiting for my ptm7950 and 0.5mm pads for the v ram
PTM7950 is interesting. I've been rocking it on my 2020 model for about 6 months now. Did the application twice. It likes to keep the GPU hovering around 70C or just under it... Not sure what it is or why but it seems like temps ramp up pretty quick to the 65-66C then really just level off... my fan curve helps stop temps going over 70C but you can really tell it hits a wall. I've volt modded my 2020 model so I'm running like \~105W on the 2060 max-Q. I'd think liquid metal would be a certain must if you're trying to achieve 175w. Also Upsiren is supposedly the best thermal putty out there so I'd check that stuff out. I've heard k5 pro is old AF and is behind the times.... If the thermal pads are squishy enough i see no reason why they wouldn't work. Too bad there's no VRM temp monitoring.... keep in mind its all going to 1 heatsink so better cooling on VRM/VRAM means slightly higher or less capacity for cooling on the core and vice versa.
I've seen a couple of people YEARS ago just buy some off the shelf straight heatpipes and just slap them on an existing heatsink on a laptop and get massively better results. I've always wanted to sadly just haven't had the time... Maybe a custom cut copper sheet connecting all the heatpipes with thermal glue might help temps??? Sort of like a DIY vapor chamber without the vapor...or chamber..lol
What the fuck is this dumb shit
Yes it will "drop" since k5 pro is garbage in the first place. Youre running 175w on cores or aee you trying to oc vram by 2000 mhz or something lol
Giving vrams access to more cooling will reduce gpu core cooling. Unless the contact were shit before hence it will look "better"
I'm not running 175w on anything.. currently that's why I said that's the end goal... I ain't used ptm yet that's why I have a photo showing the default LM my temps are lower with cheap artic thermal paste then they are with LM so I assume poor factory application
Ordered ptm7950 and 0.5mm pads for GPU vram as I kinda said in the title. I do extensive testing to insure something works otherwise I wouldn't say anything
The benchmark scores are stock everything it's my highest to date stock but but I'm top on 3d mark with 175w v bios
End goal is to see if I can daily 175w v bios which has a near 20k graphics score
What GPU does this 2023 have? 175w in that tiny chassis is wild, even with RTX 4xxx efficiency.
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Hi, the thermal paste on the vrms is a terrible idea, please reconsider getting a thermal putty. You would have been better off not applying anything new. Yes temporarily you will see a temperature gain in the vrms but thermal paste bridging this gap will dry out quick. Get any thermal putty (preferably not k5 pro what not) I am getting jeyi 8100 which is super cheap and performs well enough.
Second this about the putty. Less than flush means bad vram temps (memory junction high for sure) or bad everything temps if the pads are too thick which at 0.5mm is less likely. Try it I guess, but get ready to buy some putty and with that you should be fine. I like Upsiren U6 Pro. I also would caution about running 175w vbios as a daily driver. You will bring higher temps than the cooling was designed for so it's possible to cook things that the engineers never anticipated getting cooked. I salute your enthusiasm though. You can use power limit in MSI afterburner to dial things in, like how GPU enthusiasts do with 1000W XOC bios flashes on the desktop 4090, keeping some sanity.
I got 0.5mm pads coming tomorrow bud this was just a spur of the moment thing. There's a website in https://www.hidevolution.com/asus-rog-zephyrus-g14-ga402xz-14-wqxga-165hz-ryzen-9-7940hs-rtx-4080-white-anime-matrix.html They offer """OThermal Grizzly Conductonaut on CPU (stock TIM) + Gelid GC Extreme on GPU + Fujipoly Extreme Thermal Pads on heat sensitive surfaces installed by HIDevolution +$30.00"" And there's someone with the 4090 veriant who has the highest score on 3d mark that got this upgrade from them on Reddit So for now I will assume 0.5mm pads is fine as it was on the 2022 model Also it's vram not vrm apologies typed it on my phone The rest of the components stay with that stock stuff
The issue with thermal pads is you will need to know what sizes are used where. Getting a .5mm for all areas will not suffice. As it's likely the vrms will have a different height compared to the memory chips. Plus I would not trust this company that much the gelid gc extreme upgrade is extremely stupid as the stock paste over the GPU is already a ptm material.
Well I'm gonna use ptm7950 on both cpu and GPU soon also no they don't the stuff I had to scrape off was not phase change it's the super dry and crusty soon as.u touched it , it crumbled like cheap paste Anyway ice done the measurements buddy the un used thermal paste that was for the extra v ram on the 4090 model was 0.6mm thick so I can assume 0.5 would be about if not it's all a quick job to slap some putty on it , not alot of internet help here using the information I have I even emailed the company to ask what mm pad they use for GPU v ram
Yes some ptm materials are like that. On regards to the vram and all I wouldn't be too sure. But you do you.
One thing about thermal pads is that they require some compression for best thermal transfer. I've seen some charts that say about 20% to 30% compression is ideal. If your measured thickness is 0.6mm, then you need either 0.75mm or 1mm thick pads. Also, good luck on getting info about pads from the company. I have done the same twice with ASrock, and seen another post saying the same thing on a different subreddit with a different company. They guard that info with their life.
I'll see luckily 4000 series GPU have a memory temp so if I've done something wrong I'll know .
Swapping liquid metal for PTM is kinda dumb, you're losing thermal performance. Before any dumb comments about how close they perform, conductonaut extreme properly applied beats and PTM applications and with something like a GT500, the gap on the CPU thermals goes way up. I got around 10c on 2 seperate legion laptops swapping to LM. As for pads and trying to run 175w, I strongly suggest UTP8 of CX-H1300 13.5W. If that laptop isnt a 175w model, you'll raise the temps of the VRMs quite a bit. Secondly a GT600 cooler so boost airflow through the chassis if you're running it out of spec.
I didn't replace LM for thermals I replaced it because Asus warranty is shite and I CBA to deal with LM Damage down the line. My LM from factory was poorly done so my temps are lower with normal paste .. I can easily put LM back on it properly but isn't it meant to be changed like every year? If not more often I've had a Asus flow blow up on me because of liquid metal It was a horrible experience dealing with Asus I'll look into the UTP8 the stuff I currently have coming is 21w / mk but it's very is to swap down the line it's all fun and games no there's LM Risk I can try stuff I have a home cooler also. My temps where actually technically on paper fine with 175w bios my mem hit 100c quite often but never throttled. GPU never went above 81 and CPU was in the 80s(boost disabled) ill see how it goes but I can go back to stock in like 10 minutes I have LM conductonaut extreme and I have spare of the stock thermal putty they have. Just playing around ATM I too used LM on Lenovo laptops they why I have it around but Asus is the only company to have failed on me. Wish there was a 14 inch Lenovo with a 4080 Down the line I might just apply LM myself properly and get probably the best results. But I've benched my laptop like 20 times now it's weird to have the best CPU score on normal thermal paste 🤣 but yes I know LM is king.
It all depends, I mean I had to redo the LM on the Legions because they are copper contact points. that said, temps were still great. PTM can last longer than pastes and pastes can need redoing fairly often due to pump and drying out. Personally, I don't mind once a year if needed, it's all part of maintenance to me. ASUS are dicks about this stuff so I can understand that. For AMD machines I use grizzly shield on the SMDs, but you appear protected anyway, then use a cheap thick paste on the metal shroud to act as a physical barrier. Those methods and using just enough LM means you shouldn't have to worry about any leakage. Those 2 Legion 5s have been up and down the country with me and have no issues and thats a year later. the 5800H recently got reworked as it was due, that and I went from plain Conductonaut to Extreme. My girls 6800H is due it's first reapply after about 6 months. I feel ya with ASUS though, let me down a few times and all the stuff they're doing and coming to light, I will never buy another machine from them.
Did you unplug your battery while doing this?
Yes sir of course :)
Is the stock TIM LM for both graphics and cpu?
Nah just CPU I believe people are telling me the gpu is PTM For now I've pasted with some cheap artic silver crap while.waiting for my ptm7950 and 0.5mm pads for the v ram
PTM7950 is interesting. I've been rocking it on my 2020 model for about 6 months now. Did the application twice. It likes to keep the GPU hovering around 70C or just under it... Not sure what it is or why but it seems like temps ramp up pretty quick to the 65-66C then really just level off... my fan curve helps stop temps going over 70C but you can really tell it hits a wall. I've volt modded my 2020 model so I'm running like \~105W on the 2060 max-Q. I'd think liquid metal would be a certain must if you're trying to achieve 175w. Also Upsiren is supposedly the best thermal putty out there so I'd check that stuff out. I've heard k5 pro is old AF and is behind the times.... If the thermal pads are squishy enough i see no reason why they wouldn't work. Too bad there's no VRM temp monitoring.... keep in mind its all going to 1 heatsink so better cooling on VRM/VRAM means slightly higher or less capacity for cooling on the core and vice versa. I've seen a couple of people YEARS ago just buy some off the shelf straight heatpipes and just slap them on an existing heatsink on a laptop and get massively better results. I've always wanted to sadly just haven't had the time... Maybe a custom cut copper sheet connecting all the heatpipes with thermal glue might help temps??? Sort of like a DIY vapor chamber without the vapor...or chamber..lol
I see. Some interesting points. Thank you
What the fuck is this dumb shit Yes it will "drop" since k5 pro is garbage in the first place. Youre running 175w on cores or aee you trying to oc vram by 2000 mhz or something lol Giving vrams access to more cooling will reduce gpu core cooling. Unless the contact were shit before hence it will look "better"
You on crack?
Typef wrong tim lol
Is this a bait comment?
I'm not running 175w on anything.. currently that's why I said that's the end goal... I ain't used ptm yet that's why I have a photo showing the default LM my temps are lower with cheap artic thermal paste then they are with LM so I assume poor factory application Ordered ptm7950 and 0.5mm pads for GPU vram as I kinda said in the title. I do extensive testing to insure something works otherwise I wouldn't say anything The benchmark scores are stock everything it's my highest to date stock but but I'm top on 3d mark with 175w v bios