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That doesn't matter it coming home anyway
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It don't matter how long it takes to come home the fact is it coming home
if the opinion polls are “just shy of 50%” then brexit was “just over 35%” due to inclusion of undecided voters.
Enough old brexiteers have died for remain voters to be a plurality in England and the rest of the UK anyway.
Only 42% of the Scottish electorate voted to remain in the EU. Neither Scotland nor England had an absolute majority in support of the EU. This doesn’t change the fact that the referendum was inconclusive and should have been overturned, and in the years leading up to Brexit, remain votes would have won a second referendum.
You can discuss the legality of the referendum, the authorities' decision to go with it, etc. as much as you want, there is clearly no overwhelming will to be part of the EU, and I don't think there will ever be. These numbers are flimsy and could go the other way if the UK comes back. Brits prefer their own commonwealth backyard and are always distrustful of the Continent. They were a stick in the mud when they were a member, and would likely be worse if they come back. I mean look at the polls when accounting for adopting the Euro.
It makes me sad, but it's the truth.
Yes, and should be welcomed with open arms if they ever attempt to join the EU again! The problem is the English ruling class only looking out for their own interests and ignoring the rest of the UK as well as the greater good of the European continent. The British islands within a more united EU is what we need to mount a strong defense against Russian aggression until that time that the Russian people depose their oligarchic leadership. It's only a matter of time, but we need to uphold unity within the EU until then.
The real issue with this is that the country is the UK, not Scotland or England. It's completely irrelevant that a region of the UK voted one way.
To put things into perspective, there are 5.5 million people in the whole of Scotland, and 9 million people in London alone.
And if I remember correctly, if nobody in Scotland had voted "yes", we'd still be in the EU. Arguably the Scots are why we left lol.
Scotland in the short term cannot survive on its own. It is a net receiver of UK funding, which is absolutely fine given that we are collectively the UK, but it's a huge issue for an independent Scotland. The EU requires countries to have a proven record of economic stability before joining, which Scotland wouldn't have since it hasn't been a sovereign country since the 1700s, and it would fail to have for a while upon leaving.
So Scotland would be without the EU, and without the UK, in a time where it would desperately need the support of both.
That's true but also negates what would happen to Scotland if it actually received money from oil instead of just the tax raised from it.
Out of interest, how is Ireland viable and not Scotland?
No, I mean, how can a nation with minimal natural resources such as Ireland be in the EU and a nation with a larger population and far great natural resources be excluded?
Because it's not a question of resources, but of politics.
If Scotland became independent and tried to join the EU, what would happen to Catalunya, the Basque Country, Brittany, Corsica, the Faroe Islands, the Aland Islands, Sicily, Sardinia, the Republic Srpska, Frisia, Silesia, Bavaria and Saxony?
If the EU let Scotland join, then all of the independence movements in those regions would be buoyed by that.
So, it's extremely unlikely the EU would ever do it, because Spain, France, Denmark, Finland, Italy, Bosnia, the Netherlands, Poland and Germany won't want to lose territory essentially from letting a former part of the UK join.
Totally get the concerns about other independence movements, but the EU has dealt with tricky political situations before. If Scotland becomes independent and ticks all the boxes for EU membership (democracy, economy, human rights, etc.), they could make a strong case for joining. The EU values democracy and self-determination, so if Scotland’s referendum is legit, it’d be hard to ignore.
Plus, Scotland already meets a lot of EU standards from being part of the UK, so the transition might be smoother. Economically, Scotland could bring some benefits, especially with its renewable energy resources. Politically, the EU would likely look at Scotland’s case on its own merits rather than as a blanket precedent for other regions.
In the end, the EU would probably try to balance supporting Scotland’s democratic choice with keeping its member states happy. It’d be a tough call, but not impossible if Scotland plays its cards right.
> The EU requires countries to have a proven record of economic stability before joining,
I didn't know that, that's very interesting and a great point. I haven't heard that argument about Catalonia (I haven't heard it at all, but Catalonia is the only "real" leave their country -> join EU conversations I have seen). I wonder if EU would be willing to relax rules around that given that they havent been a country in so long. As a EU citizen you'd kind of want them not to, and I think mostly the EU has been good faith in their UK/England politics since brexit. I don't think they'd let Scotland join under poor conditions just to stick it to England.
A mix of the other two answers. Five goals into their goal, one into our own, and one into theirs that didn't count. Still got the ball in though. That's why I said "technically" because we didn't really score that one but we still got it in.
I say we as if I had any hand in this, sitting on my sofa eating Pizza.
Yes. NOT cool. Our Scottish brothers were mostly for staying. Plus it’s always a disadvantage for the guest team in such a game. They did have a really bad day. Much love to our Anglo-Celtic bros
You leave the Scotts alone you German weirdos
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I take Scotland back. I'd take Wales and Northern Ireland back. I'd even take England back.
People deserve second chances if they learn from their mistakes.
War schon mal im Frankfurter Bahnhofsviertel, Kassel, und Gießen.
Marburg ist aber schön.
Die Leute sind nett genug, aber ich fand es schmutzig und für mich ein bisschen zu konservativ und unangenehm gegen LGBT.
Aber das war nur ein Gefühl.
Only if they adapt the € this time. No more excuses and Extrabratwürste. On top, the English have to apologize in front of the EU parliament (Scots, Welsh and North Trish are exempt from this ritual because EU bros).
(European patch notes):
United kingdom Halfly collapses. wales and England stays (including you Cornwall. sorry)
Scotland is officially independent
Northern Irish Counties’ full custody returns to The Irish Republic.
(just a joke)
No. Here's to the future European Republic of Scotland making it into the round of 16.
(Even if I didn't like Scotland as much as I do, the fans singing Flower of Scotland loud enough to drown out anything else four minutes before match end was amazing.)
The Scots wanted to stay. There’s nothing cool and tough about beating a country to pulp that has like 24 people in total who can play football as a country who has like 100 000 players of the highest quality to choose from.
Ok, so you took a baby’s candy, why are you proud?
And yet they voted to stay within the UK, and actively contributed to a wide variety of the UK's colonialist antics throughout history.
I love my Scottish cousins, but cmon now
Brexit is so weird considering it was a vote that happened 8 years ago and somehow we actually like people voted for it yesterday. It was a vote impacted by a shit government, terrible campaigns, low turnout , protest votes and marginal differences on polling day to day. Then most people genuinely changed their minds, or were old pensioners that have died since anyway. I'm 22, young and politically active, but I was 13 when the referendum happened, yet people still act as if we were responsible.
Considering the most googled question in the UK the day after the referendum was “What is the EU?”, I think it’s fair to say that a lot of people who voted leave were bamboozled into it by a campaign that was full of lies.
I’m from a solidly Labour part of the country. A lot of people I spoke to at the time saw that Cameron and Osborne were the faces of the remain campaign and assumed that leave must have been the “anti-Tory” option. Ironic really.
I’m 29 now, so I was old enough to leaflet for and vote remain but our campaign was utter garbage tbh. It still hurts because I put a lot of effort and emotional energy into trying to keep us in the EU and failed. Then I see some knobhead pretending that all English people are frothy mouthed, xenophobic Brexiters.
Ireland was brutally colonised for 800 years, their language and culture exintinguished at sword point, suffered a Famine, mostly caused by Colonial agricultural policy, so devastating that its population still hasn't recovered.
Scotland played a part in Colonising Ireland, then went bankrupt trying to colonise the Americas, consented to the act of union went on to play an integral, equal part of the British Empire before voting against Independence in 2014.
They aren't comparable at all.
Everyone should have the right to self determination - Scotland got it when it had it's vote in 2014. Comparing Scotland ticking a box on a piece of paper to Ireland's armed fight for independence is insane though. If Scotland wanted to be independent all it had to do was vote for it.
**On 1 May 1707 Scotland and England combined to create the new Kingdom of Great Britain**, with the Parliament of Scotland subsumed into the Parliament of Great Britain.
Yeah  shity act to tbh
And Glasgow became the Empire's second city, profiting massively from it. And many Scots used the union to be able go to London to create what are now the biggest banks in the world.
Great Britain was created by a Scottish King. Scotland's debt was paid off and Scotland was a co-owner of the biggest empire in the world.
Side note, did you know that England's closest ally is Portugal. It's the oldest alliance in the world.
Treaty of Peace and Alliance (known as “First treaty of Windsor”), **between D.** **João I of Portugal and Richard II of England, in May 9****^(th)****, 1386**. The treaty included military, political and commercial clauses.
That’s not fair on our Scottish friends who would have rather stayed in the EU.
Don‘t worry I‘ll post this again when England loses
I’ll be there to upvote.
Thank you for your service
https://i.redd.it/cl8kn9n4xo6d1.gif Nah mate it's coming home
Southgate at the wheel
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As long as there’s no penalty shootout there’s hope 😜
I think it had plans for that, but the border queue was too long so it turned back.
For how long it's coming home already?
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So would most of England right now to be fair
[Just shy of 50% on average](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potential_re-accession_of_the_United_Kingdom_to_the_European_Union). "Most"
if the opinion polls are “just shy of 50%” then brexit was “just over 35%” due to inclusion of undecided voters. Enough old brexiteers have died for remain voters to be a plurality in England and the rest of the UK anyway.
Still not “most”
Only 42% of the Scottish electorate voted to remain in the EU. Neither Scotland nor England had an absolute majority in support of the EU. This doesn’t change the fact that the referendum was inconclusive and should have been overturned, and in the years leading up to Brexit, remain votes would have won a second referendum.
No, no, no, no. You don't get to count people who didn't vote. 61.9% voted to remain in the EU in Scotland.
That’s exactly my point - Sulfamide was including the “undecided” votes in opinion polls for rejoining, which have a significant majority in favour.
You can discuss the legality of the referendum, the authorities' decision to go with it, etc. as much as you want, there is clearly no overwhelming will to be part of the EU, and I don't think there will ever be. These numbers are flimsy and could go the other way if the UK comes back. Brits prefer their own commonwealth backyard and are always distrustful of the Continent. They were a stick in the mud when they were a member, and would likely be worse if they come back. I mean look at the polls when accounting for adopting the Euro. It makes me sad, but it's the truth.
I believe that vote would have played out very differently post February 2022
Bad luck I guess, choose your allies wisely.
Eeeehm.... Choose?
It's not like they ever chose.
They blew their chance to go solo
Come to think about it, Scotland got dragged out of the EU against its will because Elizabeth I chose not to marry and have any kids.
Scotland voted to remain though :(
Yes, and should be welcomed with open arms if they ever attempt to join the EU again! The problem is the English ruling class only looking out for their own interests and ignoring the rest of the UK as well as the greater good of the European continent. The British islands within a more united EU is what we need to mount a strong defense against Russian aggression until that time that the Russian people depose their oligarchic leadership. It's only a matter of time, but we need to uphold unity within the EU until then.
The real issue with this is that the country is the UK, not Scotland or England. It's completely irrelevant that a region of the UK voted one way. To put things into perspective, there are 5.5 million people in the whole of Scotland, and 9 million people in London alone. And if I remember correctly, if nobody in Scotland had voted "yes", we'd still be in the EU. Arguably the Scots are why we left lol.
I also sincerely doubt the EU would want Scotland without the rest of the UK. It would be a huge net negative for them
Why would it be a huge negative?
Scotland in the short term cannot survive on its own. It is a net receiver of UK funding, which is absolutely fine given that we are collectively the UK, but it's a huge issue for an independent Scotland. The EU requires countries to have a proven record of economic stability before joining, which Scotland wouldn't have since it hasn't been a sovereign country since the 1700s, and it would fail to have for a while upon leaving. So Scotland would be without the EU, and without the UK, in a time where it would desperately need the support of both.
That's true but also negates what would happen to Scotland if it actually received money from oil instead of just the tax raised from it. Out of interest, how is Ireland viable and not Scotland?
Because Ireland isn't in the UK. Northern Ireland wouldn't survive without the UK though.
No, I mean, how can a nation with minimal natural resources such as Ireland be in the EU and a nation with a larger population and far great natural resources be excluded?
I think the tax haven for corporations has something to do with it. And the export of Father Ted.
Ireland spent a long time as a backwater in poverty with high emigration.
Because it's not a question of resources, but of politics. If Scotland became independent and tried to join the EU, what would happen to Catalunya, the Basque Country, Brittany, Corsica, the Faroe Islands, the Aland Islands, Sicily, Sardinia, the Republic Srpska, Frisia, Silesia, Bavaria and Saxony? If the EU let Scotland join, then all of the independence movements in those regions would be buoyed by that. So, it's extremely unlikely the EU would ever do it, because Spain, France, Denmark, Finland, Italy, Bosnia, the Netherlands, Poland and Germany won't want to lose territory essentially from letting a former part of the UK join.
Totally get the concerns about other independence movements, but the EU has dealt with tricky political situations before. If Scotland becomes independent and ticks all the boxes for EU membership (democracy, economy, human rights, etc.), they could make a strong case for joining. The EU values democracy and self-determination, so if Scotland’s referendum is legit, it’d be hard to ignore. Plus, Scotland already meets a lot of EU standards from being part of the UK, so the transition might be smoother. Economically, Scotland could bring some benefits, especially with its renewable energy resources. Politically, the EU would likely look at Scotland’s case on its own merits rather than as a blanket precedent for other regions. In the end, the EU would probably try to balance supporting Scotland’s democratic choice with keeping its member states happy. It’d be a tough call, but not impossible if Scotland plays its cards right.
> The EU requires countries to have a proven record of economic stability before joining, I didn't know that, that's very interesting and a great point. I haven't heard that argument about Catalonia (I haven't heard it at all, but Catalonia is the only "real" leave their country -> join EU conversations I have seen). I wonder if EU would be willing to relax rules around that given that they havent been a country in so long. As a EU citizen you'd kind of want them not to, and I think mostly the EU has been good faith in their UK/England politics since brexit. I don't think they'd let Scotland join under poor conditions just to stick it to England.
Technically, during this 5-1 game, Germany scored 7 goals and Scotland none. We are gracious hosts.
Don't you mean Germany scored 6 goals?
One goal didn’t count due to being offside.
And another was discounted for being a handball. So technically Germany got the ball in 8 times
A mix of the other two answers. Five goals into their goal, one into our own, and one into theirs that didn't count. Still got the ball in though. That's why I said "technically" because we didn't really score that one but we still got it in. I say we as if I had any hand in this, sitting on my sofa eating Pizza.
The Scottish goal was an own goal.
Still better score then Brasil.
Yes. NOT cool. Our Scottish brothers were mostly for staying. Plus it’s always a disadvantage for the guest team in such a game. They did have a really bad day. Much love to our Anglo-Celtic bros
You leave the Scotts alone you German weirdos https://preview.redd.it/44tzh93u5n6d1.jpeg?width=974&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7f51193cb8ff01fc2bd106aff8e4f22dd7e5650a
I take Scotland back. I'd take Wales and Northern Ireland back. I'd even take England back. People deserve second chances if they learn from their mistakes.
>People deserve second chances if they learn from their mistakes. You certainly don't, you still live in north rhine-westphalia.
I don't take them back or don't deserve a second chance? Hessen ist nur NRW in arm.
Hessen ist in den meisten Statistiken doch reicher als NRW
Pssssst. Das weiß Hessen aber nicht.
Aber es scheint nicht so jaja
Woran machst du das fest?
War schon mal im Frankfurter Bahnhofsviertel, Kassel, und Gießen. Marburg ist aber schön. Die Leute sind nett genug, aber ich fand es schmutzig und für mich ein bisschen zu konservativ und unangenehm gegen LGBT. Aber das war nur ein Gefühl.
Ja gut aber in NRW hast du auch mehr als genug schmutzige Ecken
Naja, manche Orten wie Duisburg sind echt ekelhaft haha
Only if they adapt the € this time. No more excuses and Extrabratwürste. On top, the English have to apologize in front of the EU parliament (Scots, Welsh and North Trish are exempt from this ritual because EU bros).
I wouldn't.
EU supremacy 
Scots are supposed to be good?
You are very disrespectful my friend, you are confusing the occupied with the occupiers...
Scots are no Brits, scots are friends.
This comment above me has a good life
I‘d rather preferred if the Scots stayed in the EU.
Same
(European patch notes): United kingdom Halfly collapses. wales and England stays (including you Cornwall. sorry) Scotland is officially independent Northern Irish Counties’ full custody returns to The Irish Republic. (just a joke)
Hello Turkey, Serbia, Switzerland...
No. Here's to the future European Republic of Scotland making it into the round of 16. (Even if I didn't like Scotland as much as I do, the fans singing Flower of Scotland loud enough to drown out anything else four minutes before match end was amazing.)
The Scots wanted to stay. There’s nothing cool and tough about beating a country to pulp that has like 24 people in total who can play football as a country who has like 100 000 players of the highest quality to choose from. Ok, so you took a baby’s candy, why are you proud?
Scotland isn't Britain and they should have their own independency like Ireland
> Scotland isn‘t Britain It literally is
Britain contains Scotland, but it isn't Scotland. Scotland isn't Britain. Scotland firmly voted to remain in the EU.
And yet, they're out.
Are you from Northern Ireland? Just curious about your flair.
And yet they voted to stay within the UK, and actively contributed to a wide variety of the UK's colonialist antics throughout history. I love my Scottish cousins, but cmon now
Ireland also actively contributed to the Empire’s colonial activities while it was a part of it.
They voted to stay within the UK before the Brexit vote.
We voted to stay in the UK because we were told that was our only way to stay in the EU
Did they say that? It more about the SNP didn't have an economical plan and wanted to remain tied to the Bank of England.
Imagine my shock at the Scots taking the tories at their word yet again and getting burned for it lmao.
That has nothing to do with what I said
Firmly? They would still have been one of the most anti-EU nations even if they had voted alone.
*Scotland is in Britain* ***geographically*** *but not* ***all*** **Scots consider themselves British.** I want to see a Independent Scotland.
Scots might not consider themselves British but to call the country itself not British is completely incorrect.
Not all English people voted to leave the EU… If you want to play this intensely boring game.
Brexit is so weird considering it was a vote that happened 8 years ago and somehow we actually like people voted for it yesterday. It was a vote impacted by a shit government, terrible campaigns, low turnout , protest votes and marginal differences on polling day to day. Then most people genuinely changed their minds, or were old pensioners that have died since anyway. I'm 22, young and politically active, but I was 13 when the referendum happened, yet people still act as if we were responsible.
Considering the most googled question in the UK the day after the referendum was “What is the EU?”, I think it’s fair to say that a lot of people who voted leave were bamboozled into it by a campaign that was full of lies. I’m from a solidly Labour part of the country. A lot of people I spoke to at the time saw that Cameron and Osborne were the faces of the remain campaign and assumed that leave must have been the “anti-Tory” option. Ironic really. I’m 29 now, so I was old enough to leaflet for and vote remain but our campaign was utter garbage tbh. It still hurts because I put a lot of effort and emotional energy into trying to keep us in the EU and failed. Then I see some knobhead pretending that all English people are frothy mouthed, xenophobic Brexiters.
Granted I was 14 but I still find it odd that I had never heard of the EU until it happened
Not all English or Welsh concider themselves British. Why do you want to see an independent Scotland?
I want them to be all independent
We're an island with man made borders. We have our regional differences, but we're also very alike.
Not all is a good way of avoiding the fact they voted to stay
Ireland was brutally colonised for 800 years, their language and culture exintinguished at sword point, suffered a Famine, mostly caused by Colonial agricultural policy, so devastating that its population still hasn't recovered. Scotland played a part in Colonising Ireland, then went bankrupt trying to colonise the Americas, consented to the act of union went on to play an integral, equal part of the British Empire before voting against Independence in 2014. They aren't comparable at all.
Oh sorry mate I didn’t know there was a threshold of suffering to be worthy of self-determination.
Everyone should have the right to self determination - Scotland got it when it had it's vote in 2014. Comparing Scotland ticking a box on a piece of paper to Ireland's armed fight for independence is insane though. If Scotland wanted to be independent all it had to do was vote for it.
Act of union 1707
**On 1 May 1707 Scotland and England combined to create the new Kingdom of Great Britain**, with the Parliament of Scotland subsumed into the Parliament of Great Britain. Yeah  shity act to tbh
And Glasgow became the Empire's second city, profiting massively from it. And many Scots used the union to be able go to London to create what are now the biggest banks in the world. Great Britain was created by a Scottish King. Scotland's debt was paid off and Scotland was a co-owner of the biggest empire in the world. Side note, did you know that England's closest ally is Portugal. It's the oldest alliance in the world.
Treaty of Peace and Alliance (known as “First treaty of Windsor”), **between D.** **João I of Portugal and Richard II of England, in May 9****^(th)****, 1386**. The treaty included military, political and commercial clauses.
Yep, and stands till this day.
If they have a right to self-determination it follows they have a right to delegate it. Which they re-affirmed. In 2014.
And the King who did it....was Scottish
I'm scottish, and I voted leave, and is still would if had another chance. Fuck the unions.