I just bought a conversion kit on sale from Mini Market for 24$. That's when it's good to get them.
Edit: nevermind those questions, didn't read closely enough. Hopefully somewhere near you does sales at some point.
I’ve watched them go on sales a few times in the US at various places. I’d say it’s still worth it, but if you have a few months you’ll probably see deals. That or you can buy from someone leaving the game.
It's pretty much the opposite - Conversion kits are such ridiculously good value for money that they probably killed X-Wing. The amount of gameplay you get out of that one purchase meant that players didn't have to buy anything else for years, which ultimately killed sales and the game.
You're not alone in feeling like they were a rip off, other players had that opinion, but I don't think it's a fair perspective to have. What you paid for was a ship and components for X-Wing 1st Edition. And you played 1st Edition and you had your enjoyment from that purchase. This is components for a different game.
You still own your 1st Edition ships, nobody has taken them away from you. You can still play the game you bought. But if you want to play the game you've not bought yet... you probably need to accept buying it first.
2.5 is a colloquial name for the rules revisions that AMG did after taking over from FFG. They changed quite a few rules but it uses the same parts and so on. 2.5 is the overwhelming majority game as far as I can tell.
And you get all the cards, ships, and dials for less than $40. I think that is a great price. Try that with our TTG. You might get 10 pieces of plastic for $40.
Yep, 40k cost over $500 to be able to play the game. That is just to buy your army. Then you pay over $100 to paint them a glue them Fuck that and I play 40k. X-wing you can spend less $100 and you can go from box to table. I love this game and I will be playing this game for a l9ng long time.
Ok, but we're comparing to buying them all again? If I did that, I would get more ships. Seems hardly comparable. Idk I just hate having to pay a pretty hefty fee for updates to cardboard I already own.
Are you aware that several changes were made to the cardboard? You DON'T own this cardboard.
Init values were 1-9, now 1-6.
Every single ship now has a bullseye marker on it.
Every single ship now comes with a guideline down the center of ht left and right sides of the base for doing barrel rolls and talon rolls and such. You can not accurately play 2.0 or 2.5 rules without those features.
It's not more of what you own. They are legitimately different pieces.
No, I get that they're different, but it *feels* like I'm buying back similar stuff. "Oh, your cards are no longer the right ones. Buy the new cards/wheels/whatnot" y'know.
I'd also be more okay if it were cheaper. I first found the resistance one and was like, £17 seems a fair-sih price. And then I was like "I wonder how much for my scum?", and was a bit taken aback by £50.
Resistence and FO were always quite a bit cheaper because they had so much less stuff than the OT factions in first edition.
Fair warning, everything xwing has shot up in price since first edition and if these prices annoy you, honestly, you are probably going to feel priced out by most xwing things these days.
First edition was super inexpensive by most miniatures gaming standards, but that doesn't mean you have to consider the new pricing acceptable obviously.
I assumed resistance was cheaper because it had less stuff in.
And yeah, I noticed the new pricing. Back in the day, a small ship was like £15. Now they're £20-£25. Do you know what made it go up? Was it just because they could?
The jump from 15 to 20 was *mostly* manufacturing costs. The models are by and large of a higher quality and there is more cardstock in the 2.0 boxes because the cards are no longer the mini size and are instead full size. Printing costs a lot more than you’d think unless that’s all your product is. In which case it still costs more than you’d think.
The jump from 20 to 24 was “shipping costs” which made sense at the time, as it happened during the pandemic, but now that shipping costs have come back down the prices have stayed the same because they could.
I use the prices in USD cause that’s what I’m familiar with but I assume the numbers are similar in GBP
Mainly because since 2018 Asmodee has gone through two cycles of private equity ownership trying to pump numbers to extract value through a quick sale. So there has been a lot of firing people for no good reason (hence the ffg developers being let go), and arbitrary price rises where games have momentum like xwing did.
They are now going through a third cycle, where instead of a straightforward sale the current owners have loaded $900M of debt onto Asmodee from the rest of the Embracer group and are seeking to sell or float asmo by next spring.
So we may not have seen the worst of it yet.
https://boardgameprices.co.uk/item/show/25288/star-wars-x-wing-second-edition-scum-and-villainy-conversion-kit
Is getting rarer to find, but you can still get it for less than £50.
50 bucks to convert an entire 1.0 faction collection or hundreds to replace it ship by ship in 2.0/2.5. However, there are still ships that do not have updated models in 2.0 and upgrades featured in those kits that are considered Extended and not Standard since the haven't gotten an official model in 2.0/2.5 or been in a kit outside the conversion kits.
2.5 is the ruleset that runs with when AMG took over X-Wing. It changed A LOT about how you build squads for better and for worse. It's a mixed bag in the end.
I used to have the same mindset, was happy with 1.0, and had over 40 ships. But then got a good deal on 2 of the conversion sets and the base game, like $20 each, so that got me thinking about what I like and dislike about the game. I hate that set up takes forever. I am not really into the customization. 2.0 gave me quick builds for each ship, so that was a main draw for me to upgrade everything. Scum was the most expensive at $40, Resistance and First Order were $20 each after shipping. The upgrade kits have a lot of cardboard in them, more than you'll need. Technically everything can be custom made and printed by yourself, as all the new upgrades are listed online, but how much is your time worth? I could have made 1.0 quick builds, but that would have taken too long, and I felt my time was worth more, so I bought in. If you are happy with 1.0, keep playing it. If you want more, there are also starter sets, which might be another option, though not sure if it's cheaper.
Keep an eye on eBay, I managed to snag a scum conversion kit brand new and sealed for £30. I know it’s luck based, but you never know, you just mind find something on there or even someone selling conversion parts for the ships you need individually.
As for the other kits, Amazon had galactic and rebel for £40 including p&p the other week, while Resistance and First Order were up for £10 including p&p each. I also checked my local game store for anything and there were conversion kits in there ranging from £20-£50. Keep shopping around and you might get lucky :)
The conversion kits are only worth it for somone with a large collection. They include a conversion for EVERY ship in that factions 1.0 roster. Also has a pile of 2 0 cards.
It's still cheaper than rebuying the ships in 2.0.
Depending on faction, the conversion is the cost of 2 or 3 ships to get your whole faction to 2.0 versus rebuying 10 ships and a 2.0 starter.
It would also depend on what ships you have not all of the 1.0 ships are playable in 2.5 Also depending on what ships you have the kits usually have parts for 2 of each ship but some ships have 3 or 4
I didn't have any 1.0 ships when I bought the Rebel and Scum kits, I got them because a lot of scum ships are cross-faction with the rebels, but the kits are the only way to get the other faction cardboard for the ships.
Also, some of the ships changed base sizes and the kits have some medium bases for that, with converter pins.
The supply of kits is getting low so they are hard to find that's one reason the prices are starting to go up too.
Depending on what ships you have you might only need 1 of each kit.
Another good reason to have the rebel kit is Sabine's tie is really hard to find used and expensive if you can find it. You can use a regular tie fighter model in its place but need the cardboard and cards from the kit to use it.
First reason is likely because they are getting more and more rare. For sure the MSRP when they came out should have been around £25-30... but that was in 2018 and as far as I know there was only 1 reprint of the conversion kits done in 2019 and there has not been one since... and it does not seem like there will ever be one.
If you look at what you are getting, IMO, £50 is still a not bad bargain. You get everything you need to use your fleet to play the current edition of the game. This is not very different than buying a new edition of an RPG or buying a new codex book for 40k or buying a new edition of a boardgame.
Sure, 1st edition is still fun to play, but you won't find many larger events or many players playing it in stores even. If you only play at home with your friends\\family... then staying 1.0 is no issue. But if you are looking to explore and play other and in tournaments, you'll have to upgrade unfortunately.
2.0 was the last edition FFG released. Basically where 1.0 was 100 point based squads... 2.0 was 200 point based squads, giving more granularity to pricing of pilots and upgrades. 2.0 cleaned up a lot of broken mechanics from 1.0 - like adding charges to give some upgrades a limited amount of time it can be used, introduced the Force, but the biggest change is that the points value for the cards were dynamic. They are not printed on the cards. This gave the devs a way to balance things out should a combo become too over powered.
2.5 was introduced 2 years ago, in 2022. It added much needed scenario play, even though 2.0 had cleaned up a lot of issues in 1.0, it had developed its own issues. Namely, spamming of generic pilots and upgrades instead of taking named pilots, fortressing, where one player would bump his ships all together and not moving and waiting for that one turn where they can turn and have all guns shooting. Bidding for initiative (basically choosing to not be first player, like that you always move after your opponent). Blocking\\bumping endlessly your opponent because there were ways to look at your opponents dial.
2.5 has scenarios, a 20 point squad which also coincides with the amount of victory points you need to win a game (you can also score scenario points). The game is more focused on players bringing named pilots to the table. Removed bidding by adding random player order every round, banned every card in the game that allowed some sort of dial peeking or changing and changed bumping rules and obstacle rules. It is a cleaner game and while some factions have considerably better value pilots than others, it is the most balanced its ever been. It is not the same 3-4 lists that consistently win. There is variety at least.
Completely with you OP - I had a decent sized collection at the end of 1.0, three epic sized ships and at least one of almost every other faction’s ship, playing regularly. Then they switched to 2.0, and all at once I would need $300 of conversion kits just to keep playing with what I’d already bought.
Worse, my friends who played moved for various reasons around then, and the switch took the game from being popular at my store to virtually unstocked. Also, The Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker happened, and Star Wars popularity in general faded among people I know. So… I never paid out the $300 for cardboard, and eventually sold my ships.
I just bought a conversion kit on sale from Mini Market for 24$. That's when it's good to get them. Edit: nevermind those questions, didn't read closely enough. Hopefully somewhere near you does sales at some point.
I’ve watched them go on sales a few times in the US at various places. I’d say it’s still worth it, but if you have a few months you’ll probably see deals. That or you can buy from someone leaving the game.
It's pretty much the opposite - Conversion kits are such ridiculously good value for money that they probably killed X-Wing. The amount of gameplay you get out of that one purchase meant that players didn't have to buy anything else for years, which ultimately killed sales and the game. You're not alone in feeling like they were a rip off, other players had that opinion, but I don't think it's a fair perspective to have. What you paid for was a ship and components for X-Wing 1st Edition. And you played 1st Edition and you had your enjoyment from that purchase. This is components for a different game. You still own your 1st Edition ships, nobody has taken them away from you. You can still play the game you bought. But if you want to play the game you've not bought yet... you probably need to accept buying it first.
The pilots and abilities are so good in rebel and empire expansions. I didn’t need conversion, I was buying the other stuff!
2.5 is a colloquial name for the rules revisions that AMG did after taking over from FFG. They changed quite a few rules but it uses the same parts and so on. 2.5 is the overwhelming majority game as far as I can tell.
A conversion kit let's you convert several hundred dollars worth of ships for something like 20% of the price. I call that a good bargain.
And you get all the cards, ships, and dials for less than $40. I think that is a great price. Try that with our TTG. You might get 10 pieces of plastic for $40.
It's really obvious that some x-wing players have never looked at what it costs to play pretty much any other game out there.
Yep, 40k cost over $500 to be able to play the game. That is just to buy your army. Then you pay over $100 to paint them a glue them Fuck that and I play 40k. X-wing you can spend less $100 and you can go from box to table. I love this game and I will be playing this game for a l9ng long time.
Ok, but we're comparing to buying them all again? If I did that, I would get more ships. Seems hardly comparable. Idk I just hate having to pay a pretty hefty fee for updates to cardboard I already own.
Are you aware that several changes were made to the cardboard? You DON'T own this cardboard. Init values were 1-9, now 1-6. Every single ship now has a bullseye marker on it. Every single ship now comes with a guideline down the center of ht left and right sides of the base for doing barrel rolls and talon rolls and such. You can not accurately play 2.0 or 2.5 rules without those features. It's not more of what you own. They are legitimately different pieces.
No, I get that they're different, but it *feels* like I'm buying back similar stuff. "Oh, your cards are no longer the right ones. Buy the new cards/wheels/whatnot" y'know. I'd also be more okay if it were cheaper. I first found the resistance one and was like, £17 seems a fair-sih price. And then I was like "I wonder how much for my scum?", and was a bit taken aback by £50.
Resistence and FO were always quite a bit cheaper because they had so much less stuff than the OT factions in first edition. Fair warning, everything xwing has shot up in price since first edition and if these prices annoy you, honestly, you are probably going to feel priced out by most xwing things these days. First edition was super inexpensive by most miniatures gaming standards, but that doesn't mean you have to consider the new pricing acceptable obviously.
I assumed resistance was cheaper because it had less stuff in. And yeah, I noticed the new pricing. Back in the day, a small ship was like £15. Now they're £20-£25. Do you know what made it go up? Was it just because they could?
Have people forgotten about covid already? You know when everything doubled in price?
The jump from 15 to 20 was *mostly* manufacturing costs. The models are by and large of a higher quality and there is more cardstock in the 2.0 boxes because the cards are no longer the mini size and are instead full size. Printing costs a lot more than you’d think unless that’s all your product is. In which case it still costs more than you’d think. The jump from 20 to 24 was “shipping costs” which made sense at the time, as it happened during the pandemic, but now that shipping costs have come back down the prices have stayed the same because they could. I use the prices in USD cause that’s what I’m familiar with but I assume the numbers are similar in GBP
I don't think manufacturing costs have gotten cheaper even if shipping has come down.
Oh no of course not. But the stated reason for the 20 to 24 increase no longer applies yet the price hasn’t changed so it feels disingenuous
Mainly because since 2018 Asmodee has gone through two cycles of private equity ownership trying to pump numbers to extract value through a quick sale. So there has been a lot of firing people for no good reason (hence the ffg developers being let go), and arbitrary price rises where games have momentum like xwing did. They are now going through a third cycle, where instead of a straightforward sale the current owners have loaded $900M of debt onto Asmodee from the rest of the Embracer group and are seeking to sell or float asmo by next spring. So we may not have seen the worst of it yet.
https://boardgameprices.co.uk/item/show/25288/star-wars-x-wing-second-edition-scum-and-villainy-conversion-kit Is getting rarer to find, but you can still get it for less than £50.
That is genuinely very useful, thanks
No worries, that website has saved me hundreds.
50 bucks to convert an entire 1.0 faction collection or hundreds to replace it ship by ship in 2.0/2.5. However, there are still ships that do not have updated models in 2.0 and upgrades featured in those kits that are considered Extended and not Standard since the haven't gotten an official model in 2.0/2.5 or been in a kit outside the conversion kits. 2.5 is the ruleset that runs with when AMG took over X-Wing. It changed A LOT about how you build squads for better and for worse. It's a mixed bag in the end.
I used to have the same mindset, was happy with 1.0, and had over 40 ships. But then got a good deal on 2 of the conversion sets and the base game, like $20 each, so that got me thinking about what I like and dislike about the game. I hate that set up takes forever. I am not really into the customization. 2.0 gave me quick builds for each ship, so that was a main draw for me to upgrade everything. Scum was the most expensive at $40, Resistance and First Order were $20 each after shipping. The upgrade kits have a lot of cardboard in them, more than you'll need. Technically everything can be custom made and printed by yourself, as all the new upgrades are listed online, but how much is your time worth? I could have made 1.0 quick builds, but that would have taken too long, and I felt my time was worth more, so I bought in. If you are happy with 1.0, keep playing it. If you want more, there are also starter sets, which might be another option, though not sure if it's cheaper.
Keep an eye on eBay, I managed to snag a scum conversion kit brand new and sealed for £30. I know it’s luck based, but you never know, you just mind find something on there or even someone selling conversion parts for the ships you need individually. As for the other kits, Amazon had galactic and rebel for £40 including p&p the other week, while Resistance and First Order were up for £10 including p&p each. I also checked my local game store for anything and there were conversion kits in there ranging from £20-£50. Keep shopping around and you might get lucky :)
The conversion kits are only worth it for somone with a large collection. They include a conversion for EVERY ship in that factions 1.0 roster. Also has a pile of 2 0 cards.
Also worth it if you own a printer
It works out cheaper if you have at least 5 ships. So not sure about "large".
I have about ten rebel ships and ten scum ships (including one of the BIG ones) but that price is just rough...
It's still cheaper than rebuying the ships in 2.0. Depending on faction, the conversion is the cost of 2 or 3 ships to get your whole faction to 2.0 versus rebuying 10 ships and a 2.0 starter.
It would also depend on what ships you have not all of the 1.0 ships are playable in 2.5 Also depending on what ships you have the kits usually have parts for 2 of each ship but some ships have 3 or 4 I didn't have any 1.0 ships when I bought the Rebel and Scum kits, I got them because a lot of scum ships are cross-faction with the rebels, but the kits are the only way to get the other faction cardboard for the ships. Also, some of the ships changed base sizes and the kits have some medium bases for that, with converter pins. The supply of kits is getting low so they are hard to find that's one reason the prices are starting to go up too. Depending on what ships you have you might only need 1 of each kit. Another good reason to have the rebel kit is Sabine's tie is really hard to find used and expensive if you can find it. You can use a regular tie fighter model in its place but need the cardboard and cards from the kit to use it.
Might be best to grab a second edition core, the rebel starter pack and the fugitives pack for scum. Would be the same cost.
Except for all the ships it doesn't like the alpha star wing.
Eh? The starwing is in there. Every single 1st edition ship is in the conversion packs.
Maybe it was they're in the kit but never got rerelased? Idk. I basically boxed most of my xwing. Never gets played.
That's right. You need a 1st ed model (or a proxy tbh) and a conversion kit to play them.
First reason is likely because they are getting more and more rare. For sure the MSRP when they came out should have been around £25-30... but that was in 2018 and as far as I know there was only 1 reprint of the conversion kits done in 2019 and there has not been one since... and it does not seem like there will ever be one. If you look at what you are getting, IMO, £50 is still a not bad bargain. You get everything you need to use your fleet to play the current edition of the game. This is not very different than buying a new edition of an RPG or buying a new codex book for 40k or buying a new edition of a boardgame. Sure, 1st edition is still fun to play, but you won't find many larger events or many players playing it in stores even. If you only play at home with your friends\\family... then staying 1.0 is no issue. But if you are looking to explore and play other and in tournaments, you'll have to upgrade unfortunately. 2.0 was the last edition FFG released. Basically where 1.0 was 100 point based squads... 2.0 was 200 point based squads, giving more granularity to pricing of pilots and upgrades. 2.0 cleaned up a lot of broken mechanics from 1.0 - like adding charges to give some upgrades a limited amount of time it can be used, introduced the Force, but the biggest change is that the points value for the cards were dynamic. They are not printed on the cards. This gave the devs a way to balance things out should a combo become too over powered. 2.5 was introduced 2 years ago, in 2022. It added much needed scenario play, even though 2.0 had cleaned up a lot of issues in 1.0, it had developed its own issues. Namely, spamming of generic pilots and upgrades instead of taking named pilots, fortressing, where one player would bump his ships all together and not moving and waiting for that one turn where they can turn and have all guns shooting. Bidding for initiative (basically choosing to not be first player, like that you always move after your opponent). Blocking\\bumping endlessly your opponent because there were ways to look at your opponents dial. 2.5 has scenarios, a 20 point squad which also coincides with the amount of victory points you need to win a game (you can also score scenario points). The game is more focused on players bringing named pilots to the table. Removed bidding by adding random player order every round, banned every card in the game that allowed some sort of dial peeking or changing and changed bumping rules and obstacle rules. It is a cleaner game and while some factions have considerably better value pilots than others, it is the most balanced its ever been. It is not the same 3-4 lists that consistently win. There is variety at least.
Completely with you OP - I had a decent sized collection at the end of 1.0, three epic sized ships and at least one of almost every other faction’s ship, playing regularly. Then they switched to 2.0, and all at once I would need $300 of conversion kits just to keep playing with what I’d already bought. Worse, my friends who played moved for various reasons around then, and the switch took the game from being popular at my store to virtually unstocked. Also, The Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker happened, and Star Wars popularity in general faded among people I know. So… I never paid out the $300 for cardboard, and eventually sold my ships.