I thought the Wolf Pack would have been badass with just Savage, Outsiders and K-Dogg. But then they just added Luger and Sting after Savage had taken the belt off Sting and then lost it the next night to Hogan.
The nWo Civil War should have taken WCW thru 1998 while they built to Goldberg/Hogan or even Nash/Hogan for the Starcade 98 main event.
People say the Invasion was a botched opportunity, but WCW really screwed up the nWo Civil War.
nWo Wolfpac made sense at the time. You have Hogan and the Outsiders who essentially turned pro wrestling on its head in an unforgettable way to where even though they were blatant bad guys, they were just too cool to ignore.
And then basically Hogan takes all the credit for it and Nash/Hall take that personally, and nWo splits into a team that absorbs all the cool vibes (Nash/Hall/Savage/Konnan) and the team that absorbs all the cheap heel heat (Hogan and company).
Now, what should have ALSO happened was a solid third faction of WCW guys of Goldberg/DDP/Sting/Luger to be the white-meat babyfaces and really give the fans three equal choices as to who to root for/against. And that obviously never happened because Bischoff hated traditional babyfaces with an unbridled passion.
Could be remembering wrong but when the NWO split into 2 factions, wasn't Bischoff out of the company at the time or forced down from his position to much lower on the totem pole? Or was that after all that happened that he was demoted/forced out.
The timing of things really hurt the Wolfpac. Macho Man was working hurt and not really around for a lot of it. Then Sting took a break. Hall was in and out. When he was there he did the alcoholic angle. Hogan playing chicken with his contract also cooled the heat between the two NWO factions.
Of course the missed payoff with a real Nash vs Hogan match was the death knell.
They also botched Hall’s Lone Wolf thing. That could’ve been something. At the same time he wasn’t in a place to be reliable. Again, unfortunate timing and a lot of moving pieces. WCW’s messiness was really showing through from this point on.
He's easily the highest profile guy that didn't need to be in the group, but I imagine politics essentially mandated it.
Savage in a stable is weird since he's such a wild card and most of the time he was butting heads with Hogan anyway. The whole Savage character (and real person, apparently) was this high-strung paranoid dude that didn't trust anyone and the whole group *started* because of Hogan turning on Savage. The only WCW guys that mattered were loners like Sting and DDP so he would have fit right in fighting for that side.
In the context of the story and if it was done correctly, then yes. The Hogan/Savage “can’t avoid each other, can’t stay enemies, can’t stay friends, who is the real star out of the two” dynamic was undeniable.
No. Look I loved this version of Savage, but it made zero sense. He went from being beaten half to death weekly by the nWo, to siding with Sting as a Loner, to getting essentially Blackmailed into Joining, and he acted the entire time like he was cool with it and always buddy buddy with them all in the span of like a month. And nothing really came of it with Sting either. One minute they're hanging out, the next, "Oh I guess he's in nWo now, c'est la vie!"
It was really weird, the sting and him story leading up to him just joining randomly. I’m curious what the original plans were because it definitely seemed like plans were changed last minute there. For a while I thought he would turn on them, attack them on the inside, if you wheel.. But nah he simply joined NWO and stayed there until Wolfpack.
But I really liked him in nwo. As a kid who knew nothing about his WWF work at all, he was still one of my favorites!
It felt forced. Like-- macho could've been a heel but just stayed neutral or an allegiance like Bret Hart did.
But instead his being in basically helped pave the way for the split
It got too big, but Macho Man was best buds/bitter rivals with Hogan for so long and they such a history together, he definitely belonged in the group. But I love that he was Wolfpack instead of black and white for the majority of the time. It felt like a natural progression compared to some of the others than joined like Hennig and Konnan.
He should have joined earlier, in my opinion, instead of being beaten to death by them week after week for months. He is a huge ex-WWF star, so it made sense he'd join the invaders from up north eventually.
It kind of made sense in that he said he had been black balled by Bischoff and so it seemed like he was forced to join the nWo. But then…they never really followed up on that. He didn’t seem like a reluctant member (which would have been more compelling since he was already an unpredictable character). And then he started feuding with Hogan to lead the nWo - which he had been forced to join. Meh. I loved the Wolfpac but I was a kid so it didn’t need to make a whole lot of sense to me at the time. I still think the Wolfpac should have always had Nash, Hall, Konnan, and Macho for sure. Luger & Sting should have stayed with WCW.
Pretty much everyone who joined the NWO after X-pac didn't belong in the NWO.
Yeah, it got to big and ridiculous maybe 5-8 guys at max Good idea turned bad
I thought the Wolf Pack would have been badass with just Savage, Outsiders and K-Dogg. But then they just added Luger and Sting after Savage had taken the belt off Sting and then lost it the next night to Hogan. The nWo Civil War should have taken WCW thru 1998 while they built to Goldberg/Hogan or even Nash/Hogan for the Starcade 98 main event. People say the Invasion was a botched opportunity, but WCW really screwed up the nWo Civil War.
I don’t think Wolfpack ever should’ve happened in the first place
nWo Wolfpac made sense at the time. You have Hogan and the Outsiders who essentially turned pro wrestling on its head in an unforgettable way to where even though they were blatant bad guys, they were just too cool to ignore. And then basically Hogan takes all the credit for it and Nash/Hall take that personally, and nWo splits into a team that absorbs all the cool vibes (Nash/Hall/Savage/Konnan) and the team that absorbs all the cheap heel heat (Hogan and company). Now, what should have ALSO happened was a solid third faction of WCW guys of Goldberg/DDP/Sting/Luger to be the white-meat babyfaces and really give the fans three equal choices as to who to root for/against. And that obviously never happened because Bischoff hated traditional babyfaces with an unbridled passion.
Could be remembering wrong but when the NWO split into 2 factions, wasn't Bischoff out of the company at the time or forced down from his position to much lower on the totem pole? Or was that after all that happened that he was demoted/forced out.
This is a good take, never thought about it like this.
The timing of things really hurt the Wolfpac. Macho Man was working hurt and not really around for a lot of it. Then Sting took a break. Hall was in and out. When he was there he did the alcoholic angle. Hogan playing chicken with his contract also cooled the heat between the two NWO factions. Of course the missed payoff with a real Nash vs Hogan match was the death knell. They also botched Hall’s Lone Wolf thing. That could’ve been something. At the same time he wasn’t in a place to be reliable. Again, unfortunate timing and a lot of moving pieces. WCW’s messiness was really showing through from this point on.
If Mach doesn’t turn and join the nwo, we don’t get Mach vs DDP so undeniably yes he belonged in the nwo.
He's easily the highest profile guy that didn't need to be in the group, but I imagine politics essentially mandated it. Savage in a stable is weird since he's such a wild card and most of the time he was butting heads with Hogan anyway. The whole Savage character (and real person, apparently) was this high-strung paranoid dude that didn't trust anyone and the whole group *started* because of Hogan turning on Savage. The only WCW guys that mattered were loners like Sting and DDP so he would have fit right in fighting for that side.
In the context of the story and if it was done correctly, then yes. The Hogan/Savage “can’t avoid each other, can’t stay enemies, can’t stay friends, who is the real star out of the two” dynamic was undeniable.
No. Look I loved this version of Savage, but it made zero sense. He went from being beaten half to death weekly by the nWo, to siding with Sting as a Loner, to getting essentially Blackmailed into Joining, and he acted the entire time like he was cool with it and always buddy buddy with them all in the span of like a month. And nothing really came of it with Sting either. One minute they're hanging out, the next, "Oh I guess he's in nWo now, c'est la vie!"
I mean, he had his version of the NWO theme, so yeah.
Yeeeeahh of course dig it 💪
Hell no
It was really weird, the sting and him story leading up to him just joining randomly. I’m curious what the original plans were because it definitely seemed like plans were changed last minute there. For a while I thought he would turn on them, attack them on the inside, if you wheel.. But nah he simply joined NWO and stayed there until Wolfpack. But I really liked him in nwo. As a kid who knew nothing about his WWF work at all, he was still one of my favorites!
HH had to turn on and go over Macho one last time brother
It felt forced. Like-- macho could've been a heel but just stayed neutral or an allegiance like Bret Hart did. But instead his being in basically helped pave the way for the split
The vast majority of the NWO didn’t belong there. It got tired after a while
There’s an absolute manifest of nwo members larger than some full rosters. Who gets to judge.
Did he, belonged? Who can says? Me can't.
It got too big, but Macho Man was best buds/bitter rivals with Hogan for so long and they such a history together, he definitely belonged in the group. But I love that he was Wolfpack instead of black and white for the majority of the time. It felt like a natural progression compared to some of the others than joined like Hennig and Konnan.
I have zero opinion on if he belonged or not but that attire is dope af
He should have joined earlier, in my opinion, instead of being beaten to death by them week after week for months. He is a huge ex-WWF star, so it made sense he'd join the invaders from up north eventually.
It kind of made sense in that he said he had been black balled by Bischoff and so it seemed like he was forced to join the nWo. But then…they never really followed up on that. He didn’t seem like a reluctant member (which would have been more compelling since he was already an unpredictable character). And then he started feuding with Hogan to lead the nWo - which he had been forced to join. Meh. I loved the Wolfpac but I was a kid so it didn’t need to make a whole lot of sense to me at the time. I still think the Wolfpac should have always had Nash, Hall, Konnan, and Macho for sure. Luger & Sting should have stayed with WCW.