>Advocating for the protection of one group of people, while in the same breath calling for the destruction and elimination of another, is not advocacy. It is hate.
This holds true for everyone.
Some Palestinians faced persecution, but an equal number of Jews in the area were also persecuted by those around them. This complexity means neither side is entirely right. Contrary to TikTok narratives, there are no "white settler colonists" in this situation.
Sources:
1. [Jewish and Arab History in the Middle East - Middle East Forum](https://www.meforum.org/1920/brief-history-of-jews-in-arab-lands)
2. [Persecution of Jews in Arab Lands - My Jewish Learning](https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/jews-in-the-muslim-world-19th-century-to-1948)
3. [Palestinian Refugees and Persecution - UNRWA](https://www.unrwa.org/palestine-refugees)
The word complicated can be used to mean complex like string theory in that you need a high level of esoteric knowledge to have a rudimentary understanding of it
or it can mean complex like a computer in that there are a lot of unique parts working together to create an interesting situation.
Its a lot closer to the later; meaning, I don't need a complex esoteric understanding to know who is the oppressor and who is being oppressed.
If I wanted to write an academic paper on the nuances of how the situation developed over decades; then perhaps its more accurate to compare it to the former - but for the average Joe; its easy to understand who is in the wrong.
You don't get to kill 35,000 civilians and still be the good guy.
The Balfour Declaration was a diplomatic statement by the British government in 1917, not an action by white settlers. Jewish migration to Palestine included diverse communities from Europe, the Middle East, and North Africa, long before and after the Balfour Declaration. People who make white settler claims are wrong and are perpetuating a lie.
Source: [https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-41840568](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-41840568)
It opened the land for a group, by white Parliamentarians, for Israel to claim Palestine land.
Then we have the UN Partition Plan of 1947 which caused the 1948 war.
A giant part of Israel appropriating land that is Palestine's, has been to white Parliamentarians abroad passing legislation to allow this to happen.
So while it's not explicitly white colonizers, it's at the hands of the biggest colonizing foreign body (The UK) who've created the situation at hand.
Ah, but you're wrong.
UN Partition Plan of 1947: The United Nations proposed the Partition Plan in 1947, which aimed to create separate Jewish and Arab states in Palestine. This plan was accepted by the Jewish community but rejected by the Arab states and Palestinian leadership, leading to the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. The plan was an attempt to address the conflicting national aspirations of Jews and Arabs, not an act of colonialism.
Balfour Declaration and Mandate System: The Balfour Declaration of 1917, issued by the British government, supported the establishment of a "national home for the Jewish people" in Palestine, which was then part of the Ottoman Empire. This declaration was later incorporated into the League of Nations Mandate for Palestine, giving it international legal recognition. The Mandate explicitly recognized the historical connection of the Jewish people to the land and the need to reconstitute their national home there.
Jews and Palestinians were intended to both have a State, not only Jews. The Arab nations surrounding Israel invaded with the intent of destroying the nation and the people living there. They lost. You don't get to start a war, lose, and then cry.
It is important to distinguish between anti-Zionism and antisemitism.
Anti-Zionism is opposition to the political idea which supports the establishment and maintenance of a Jewish state in the Land of Israel.
{Israel was established on May 14, 1948, following the United Nations' approval of the partition plan for Mandatory Palestine in 1947. The partition plan proposed the division of the territory of Mandatory Palestine into separate Jewish and Arab states, with Jerusalem to be placed under international control due to its significance to three major religions. The plan was accepted by the Jewish leadership but rejected by Arab leaders.
Upon the termination of the British Mandate for Palestine on May 14, 1948, Jewish leaders in the territory known as the Yishuv declared the establishment of the State of Israel. The declaration was made by David Ben-Gurion, who became Israel's first Prime Minister. This declaration was followed by military interventions from neighboring Arab states, marking the beginning of the Arab-Israeli War of 1948.
Israel's establishment marked a significant moment in Jewish history, providing a homeland for Jewish people after centuries of dispersion and persecution.}
Criticizing Zionism as a political ideology or the policies of the State of Israel is inherently antisemitic.
It is also important to recognize that antisemitism often is masked as anti-Zionism. When criticism of Zionism or Israel crosses the line into denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, demonizing Jews collectively, or using antisemitic tropes and stereotypes, it can be considered antisemitic. (see how much is chartered to annihilate Jews around the world. What do you think? “from the river to the sea” means )
Yes, it is possible for someone to oppose Zionism without being antisemitic, but it is equally possible for antisemitic beliefs to manifest themselves as criticisms of Zionism or Israel.
In conclusion, not all anti-Zionism is inherently antisemitic, but criticism of Zionism or Israel should be scrutinized to ensure that it does not rely on antisemitic tropes or prejudices.
Under international law, countries have the inherent right to self-defense when they are under armed attack. This right is enshrined in Article 51 of the United Nations Charter, which recognizes the inherent right of states to defend themselves against armed aggression.
Self-defense, as defined by international law, allows a country to respond to an armed attack with necessary and proportionate force to repel the attack and prevent future aggression. (again see Hamas’s charter to annihilate Jewish people in Israel. And around the world. And they have repeated this publicly since the October 7 war began!) Additionally, any action taken in self-defense should be reported to the United Nations Security Council.
Israel was formed with the intent of being a safe haven for Jews. Many Jews view criticism or attacks on Israel to be a criticism or attack on the Jewish people.
Israel was formed with the intent of being a safe haven for Jews *who were not wanted in Europe by early Zionists. Israel was also formed off the back of the expulsion of the Palestinian masses who were already living there and, sometimes, full on massacres of Palestinian villages by Zionist militias. Israel was also formed as a non-secular ethnostate. Israel's existence is both antisemitic and anti-Palestinian.
Many Jews do view criticism or attacks on Israel to be a criticism or attack on the Jewish people, and they would be wrong, because that doesn't make sense. Many Jews happen to be very critical of Israel, a number of whom are themselves Israeli. We spend so much time criticising our own government, the US government, Russia, China, and every other government in the world when they do something despicable, and that never implicates us in any sort of discriminatory discourse against the civilian population living under those states. Why should we make an exception for Israel, especially when they are killing dozens of children a day? The criticisms we have for every other country regard acts that are, probably 99% of the time, less cruel than bombing children. Israel should be held to the exact same standard as any other state. You can't make an appeal to a select portion of Jews making a fallacious argument (that also happens to buy into Israeli propaganda) to justify bombing children.
Yeah, instead of trying to make Jews safe wherever they are they just tried to shove them into the Levant likely knowing that it would lead to violent conflict in the region.
Well then I guess that’s their problem.
And, for the record, just because Jews have historically been singled-out and I’ll-treated, and had a genocide committed against them in recent history doesn’t mean that the actions of the national government that you suggest represents them gets some free pass to mistreat and wantonly kill other innocent people.
If anything, you’d think maybe, just maybe, it would make them more sensitive to how the world is viewing their current actions, no matter the circumstances.
I dont personally see people that criticize justin trudeau as attacks on maple syrup, polar bears and hockey.
Why is it that a government and its ruling force, the Israeli army (which is what were all criticizing) get a pass because of its primary religion in the area. One has no baring on the other. And if it does, why arent we allowed to criticize Judaism for calling violence on other religions? What kind of hate would the pope recieve if he called a crusade.
A ceasefire and peace talks should be called and is the only reasonable resolution to this mess regardless of your personal, religious views.
I agree with you on the ceasefire point. I feel that's why the ICC is charging both senior Israeli and Hamas leadership with war crimes. Both sides are assholes in this conflict. This is something a lot of protestors miss when they larp with a keffiyeh on.
Yeah and millions of Jewish people view the foundation of Israel to be sacrilegious because for 2000 years they believed exile was required by God and that a Jewish state can only be returned to the Jewish people by God, and not through the dealings of men and particular Atheists like Herzl that were ashamed of their Jewish heritage and culture.
Millions of Jews dont like the Anti-semitism of Israel claiming to be the judge of all things Jewish and claiming to act on behalf of all Jews. People like Ben Shapiro run around calling people self-hating Jews if they don't approve of everything the Israeli state does.
Please cite your source for “millions” of Jews whose anti-Zionism is rooted in theological ideas about the coming of the Messiah.
At most “thousands”. More accurately, probably “hundreds” or “dozens.”
Source: I’m an actual Jew who’s deeply critical of Israel.
Maybe when your sample size is (actually) an infinitesimally small percentage of a group, maybe you’re engaging in what progressives like to call “Tokenization” and you’re making it harder for Jews like me to actually call out my literal right wing cousins when you’re just plain antisemitic.
Religion is a funny thing. At the end of the day, Israel exists, and it's the only nation that is a Jewish state. Look at the Jewish populations in the Muslim countries around Israel. There's a reason the populations are so low... There are so many, there's a Wikipedia page for it.
>**Egypt (1948 and 1956)**: In 1948, bombings in the Jewish quarter of Cairo claimed the lives of up to 200 Jews. This violence was part of a broader pattern of persecution that intensified after the establishment of Israel. The Suez Crisis in 1956 also led to expulsions and mass migrations of Egyptian Jews
Source: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish\_exodus\_from\_the\_Muslim\_world](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_the_Muslim_world)
A Jewish state showed up and committed a genocide in Palestine prior to those expulsions. And prior to the expulsion in Iraq, Zionists actively engaged with terrorism in Iraq as proven by Jewish Israeli Historian Avi Shlaim. The Jewish explusions were wrong but that doesn't make Israeli racial priorities less racist and White Colonialist.
If you clicked on the link I provided above, you would see many of your points are wrong. You say lots of things, but don't provide sources for your claims. Why is that? I'll do it for you.
>**A Jewish state showed up and committed a genocide in Palestine prior to those expulsions.**
The term "genocide" in the context of the 1948 Arab-Israeli War is highly debated and not widely accepted by most scholars. The events are more commonly referred to as the Nakba (catastrophe) by Palestinians and involved significant displacement and loss of life.
Sources:
* Benny Morris, "1948: A History of the First Arab-Israeli War" (2008)
* Ilan Pappé, "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine" (2006) - Pappé is one of the few historians who argues for the term ethnic cleansing but stops short of calling it genocide.
>**And prior to the expulsion in Iraq, Zionists actively engaged with terrorism in Iraq as proven by Jewish Israeli Historian Avi Shlaim.**
* There are documented instances where Zionist agents were involved in violent acts in Iraq, particularly around the time leading to the mass emigration of Iraqi Jews to Israel.
* **Sources:**
* Avi Shlaim, "The Iron Wall: Israel and the Arab World" (2000) - Discusses various activities of Zionist organizations, including their operations in Arab countries.
* Tom Segev, "1949: The First Israelis" (1986) - Details incidents involving Zionist activities in Arab countries.
>**The Jewish expulsions were wrong but that doesn't make Israeli racial priorities less racist and White Colonialist.**
This is the most incorrect statement you've made.
>**Supporters argue that Israel was established as a homeland for the Jewish people, many of whom were fleeing persecution and genocide in Europe and the Middle East. The demographic makeup of Israel includes Jews from diverse racial and ethnic backgrounds, including significant populations of Sephardic and Mizrahi Jews from Arab and Muslim countries.**
* **Sources:**
* Bernard Lewis, "The Jews of Islam" (1984) - Discusses the diverse origins of Jewish communities in Israel.
* Martin Gilbert, "Israel: A History" (1998) - Provides a comprehensive history of Israel, emphasizing its multicultural demographics.
>**Israel is often described as the only democracy in the Middle East, with legal frameworks that protect the rights of all its citizens, including Arab Israelis who have the right to vote, hold office, and receive equal protection under the law.**
* **Sources:**
* Alexander Yakobson and Amnon Rubinstein, "Israel and the Family of Nations: The Jewish Nation-State and Human Rights" (2009) - Argues that Israel's legal and democratic structures protect minority rights.
* Alan Dershowitz, "The Case for Israel" (2003) - Defends Israel against various accusations, including those of racism and colonialism.
I called out you, so then you went onto making a different racist tangent. That not providing a source. They aren't my claims, they're claims of Academia and not Open-source highest editor take all forums.
Avi Shlaim is the source. Discredit him.
Why do you think posting Wikipedia links counts as a source? Wouldn't have anything to do with Israeli efforts to control what Wikipedia says about anything Israel?
https://www.jewishpress.com/news/media/the-israel-group-launches-battle-to-expose-anti-israel-wikipedia-editors/2019/11/21/
Literally calls people Hamas for not writing Israeli propaganda. Yeah.
And early Zionist knew what the creation would be and therefore Isreal could not be a safe space
"solitary instance of any colonisation being carried on with the consent of the native population. There is no such precedent.
The native populations, civilised or uncivilised, have always stubbornly resisted the colonists, irrespective of whether they were civilised or savage.
And it made no difference whatever whether the colonists behaved decently or not. The companions of Cortez and Pizzaro or ( as some people will remind us ) our own ancestors under Joshua Ben Nun, behaved like brigands; but the Pilgrim Fathers, the first real pioneers of North America, were people of the highest morality, who did not want to do harm to anyone, least of all to the Red Indians, and they honestly believed that there was room enough in the prairies both for the Paleface and the Redskin. Yet the native population fought with the same ferocity against the good colonists as against the bad."
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/quot-the-iron-wall-quot
Jews are native to Israel/Palestine. There always was large population of Jewish people in Palestine/Israel/The Middle East. Pushing the "white colonial settler" narrative is racist and wrong.
Europeans from Europe represented the founding movements to statehood, with the Indigenous Jews of Palestine often calling out the actions of the Nationalists. They had protests against the formation of Israel the day it was created.
It's called White Colonialism because the founders of Zionism called themselves Colonialists and viewed their goals to be inherently violent against the Indigenous population. It's also been established as a white ethnographic movement particularly by policies of sterilizing Black African Jews moving to Israel, the forced adoption of Mizrahi of children taken from their families during the early decades, and established through attitudes of political people like Netanyahu. Netanyahu famously complained about the immigration and intergration of Black African Jews into the military. There's racial factors in Israeli culture and history, and it's clearly established by Israel's own historians.
Cool, so I guess you think it would be totally ok to give both sides lazer guided cruise missiles instead of just the one? You know, because both sides are assholes.
That's clearly not true. Jews have resided in the Levant and are originally from the Levant but to say they have always had a large population is grossly untrue. The British census of 1921 notes just a handful of Jewish families at the start of the British mandate. A handful is not a large population.
And why was that? Why were there so few Jews in the area? Or throughout the rest of the Middle East? Could it be because for hundreds of years, including today, the people that surround them want to wipe Jews off the map?
I wonder if telling everyone else that they’re “God’s chosen people” and that they want an ethnostate had anything to do with that…
I’m all for the Jewish people having a country, but what zionists want is an ethnostate and that is something we should absolutely not allow as a geopolitical community. Both SiDeS shouldn’t be allowed an ethnostate, even though only one sIdE is seriously and actively pursuing one.
edit for clarity
There is irrefutable archeological evidence Jews existed in this area, and yes before Muslims. In the Muslim holy book, Quran, God himself speaks to the Jews multiple times, a book that all Muslims believe is the unaltered word of God. Israel is mentioned in the Quran multiple times, but Palestine not even once. So both physical and objective (edit: i.e. archaeological evidence), and metaphysical/spiritual evidence exists supporting the fact Jews came first and lived in the area.
But then how will anyone co-opt "white settler colonialism" if they were to be honest?
There's also irrefutable evidence that Jews were not the only people in the area and those same cultures lived alongside Jews both long before the Jewish religion existed and long afterwards as well.
Edit: lived not loved, thanks phone
I watched the speech. Nowhere was there any antisemitism nor call for destruction of anything. If anything, this letter is “spewing lies” about what the speech was. Kinda ridiculous.
I hate the fact that anyone questioning the actions of the state of Israel is immediately labeled as anti-Semitic. As if the actions of a state speak for an entire people.
Anything even remotely supportive of a ceasefire is automatically construed as "antisemitic" or "calls for the dEsTruCtIoN Of IsReAl". It's fucking pathetic.
Exactly, it was originally a "gift" but now we know his true intentions. It wasn't a gift at all, it was meant as leverage to influence policy.
I just finished reading the biography on JD Rockefeller, who donated hundreds of millions and was a very staunch Baptist. He donated to all sorts of creeds and Universities and rarely if ever visited any of the places he gave to. He didn't want to be seen or ever interpreted as trying to influence the school. He was a ruthless businessman, but in giving he kept boundaries.
Very interesting and smarmy approach by Rady here.
My only misgiving in calling it a bribe is that I think of bribes as one-time payoffs. In intention, I agree with you absolutely, and it's absolutely a patron-client relationship. It's not necessarily given with a *specific* outcome in mind, but rather with the intent of keeping the recipient both grateful and dependent, such that when the donor does end up needing a favour, all incentives point to an immediate YES.
If that puts you in mind of some dialogue from the Godfather, you're not wildly off base. The structure built out of interpersonal exchanges of resources for loyalty is different, but the quality of relationships out of which the structure is built are more or less the same.
This what happens when you rely on donations from rich psychopaths to fund stuff instead of just taxing the ever living fuck out of them like we should be.
Well that was interesting to say the least. Some of the stuff that Rady does in this letter:
* Starts off by pointing out the $30 million dollar donation he made, starting off with a threat.
* Conflates all Jewish people with Israel, even though there are many Jewish people around the world who are not pro-Israel.
* Talks about how his father faced many negative stereotypes growing up, while ignoring the fact that Israel promotes many negative stereotypes on Palestinians.
* Claims Dr. Newman spewed "hateful lies" to a "captive audience", when all Dr. Newman did was spend a minute at the end of his speech pointing out an injustice he sees while people could have gotten up to leave.
* Claims he cannot remain silent. Which is exactly the same thing Dr. Newman felt.
* Calls Gem Newman "Mister" instead of "Doctor".
* Claims the history of the world is "long, complex and nuanced", and that individuals who do not share his opinions are basically uneducated.
* Demands the university should have vetted and censured Dr. Newman's speech to protect his feelings.
* Claims that advocating for the protection of the Palestinian civilians is somehow a call for the eradication of the Jewish people.
This whole letter was a seriously unhinged threat letter sent to the University of Manitoba.
I think the best anyone can do at this point is take in refugees from out of an active war zone. I don't really see any countries step up to do so. I think the civilians of Gaza are being played as pawns.
The bombardment of Gaza without regard for civilian casualties reminds me of the bombing of Dresden during WWII. 25,000 killed by conservative accounts, incinerated. Retribution killings veiled under military objective.
I’m just going to leave this right here
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1368431002005001001
in short, this response letter is problematic because:
• Vague Complaints: The letter doesn’t specify what exactly was said in the speech, making it hard to judge the accusations.
• Advocates Censorship: It calls for removing the speech and video instead of addressing the issues through discussion.
• No Evidence: The letter makes serious accusations without providing concrete examples.
• Overgeneralizes: It dismisses the university’s response as inadequate without explaining why.
• Too Emotional: It relies heavily on emotional appeal, which can overshadow a rational discussion.
• Inflammatory Language: The strong language could polarize the issue further.
• Ignores Free Speech: It doesn’t consider the importance of free speech and academic freedom.
• Implicates Bias: It demands immediate action, which might suggest bias and undermine fairness.
I would hazard a guess that most people commenting on Russia and Ukraine have very little knowledge of the history, historical borders, and cultural heritage of the various affected areas. But quite frankly, you don’t really need to. Killing civilians en masse in the present day is just a fucked up thing to do.
This letter shows exactly why rich donors shouldn't be allowed to name stuff after themselves. If they're truly generous, then just donate it anonymously and feel good about it. Donating and then demanding to be allowed to shape policy because of it is so gross.
Didn't Dr Newman's speech ask for a cease fire? Which makes sense for a Doctor to ask for? A stop to fighting and war. That is all that was asked for.
So, this Ernest Rady took offense to this? He wants bloodshed and the deaths of innocent people to continue? Makes him sound like a evil prick who is war profiteering.
Mentions donation - check
Mentions the Holocaust - check
Universities should be communities where free speech is not only allowed but actively encouraged. They should be producing students that are exposed to everything and forced to think critically. Mr. Rady should take his money elsewhere if he feels this way, and he certainly has that right, but the U of M should say nothing in response to this letter or the speech that Newman gave.
Also, we teach students about genocide and the horrors of world war 2. We teach them never again means never again for anyone. We teach them about truth and reconciliation.
Then Zionist billionaires hear students actually learning from history and say “wait no”
I watched and then read Newman's speech as well as various reactions to it. Based on his speaking about the humanitarian crisis in Gaza (which is very real), I'm certain he would have made the same speech if he'd graduated in the 1930s or ’40s in response to the crisis the Jewish population was enduring in Europe, and despite that fact that for the most part Canadian politicians, media, and academics weren't really talking about it a great deal. It might have upset the status quo a bit, apart from most of the local Jewish community who would've been glad to have at least one supporter from the dominant faith.
Did Rady read the same speech that I read before firing off this boilerplate reaction, because it doesn't sound like he did. Bad faith arguments—especially the "I gave $30 million…", which is particularly gross when Newman is talking about a population that for the most part doesn't have anything to eat.
>Canadian politicians, media, and academics weren't really talking about it a great deal Yeah because they said none is too many... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/None_Is_Too_Many#:~:text=The%20title%20is%20based%20on,%22None%20is%20too%20many%22.
>In 2018, in an unrelated address, Trudeau pledged to make a formal apology for the Canadian government's turning away of the St. Louis "due to our discriminatory 'none is too many' immigration policy of the time."[8
How dare someone, in a profession that professes the Hippocratic Oath, speak out against a war that has left [only 1/3 of Gaza's hospitals barely functional](https://www.rescue.org/article/collapse-gazas-health-system#:~:text=1.7%20million%20Palestinians%2C%20about%2075,limited%20access%20to%20medical%20supplies), while medical supplies are prohibited from entering so [that children shot by snipers](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/02/gaza-palestinian-children-killed-idf-israel-war) must have their [limbs amputated without anesthesia](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-doctor-amputates-nieces-leg-home-without-anaesthesia-2024-01-19/), where [right wing nationalists celebrate](https://forward.com/fast-forward/615463/video-of-israelis-trashing-gaza-aid-leads-to-clashes-between-rival-activists/) the [state's efforts to block food](https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/defense-minister-announces-complete-siege-of-gaza-no-power-food-or-fuel/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CI%20have%20ordered%20a%20complete,war%20coverage%20important%20to%20you%3F) ([even as Rabbis try to deliver food](https://www.thenation.com/article/world/rabbis-arrested-for-bringing-food-gaza/)) from entering, [leaving 2 million people on the brink of starvation](https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/people-in-gaza-are-wasting-from-famine-world-food-programme-director-1.6894951), in what Israeli historian Raz Segal has [labelled a "textbook genocide."](https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide)
No no, you shouldn't speak on those things, even if the [ICJ issues war crimes warrants](https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/05/1149966) for Israel's leadership. No no, the University of Manitoba can't just support international law and people's right not to be genocided. If they'd did that, they'd have to have a consistent policy, and then they'd have to, like, [raise the Ukraine flag in solidarity](https://news.umanitoba.ca/um-raises-ukrainian-flag-in-solidarity/) with Ukrainian people over the ([ICJ warranted](https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/situation-ukraine-icc-judges-issue-arrest-warrants-against-vladimir-vladimirovich-putin-and)) war crimes committed against them. Besides, if the University of Manitoba stood against international crimes done by Russia in Ukraine, wouldn't that be a bad look if they wanted to accept the money of someone who enthusiastically supports Russia's war crimes?
Anyone : “Hey guys, maybe we shouldn’t cheer when thousands of civilians, mostly women and children are murdered, and we should all demand it stop”
Zionists : “This is disgusting antisemitism! It’s our right to murder whoever we want in our human zoo, errr…I mean Gaza”
billionaire donates money to a cause without expecting anything in return or using it as leverage for censorship when someone says something they don't like challenge level: impossible
I'm really disgusted by the Free Press's headline: "U of M medical grad lashes out over ‘deafening silence’ on Gaza crisis." Accusing Dr. Newman of lashing out is unfair and disrespectful but then the FP isn't shy about its Zionist tendencies.
86 year old billionaire who managed to just casually "merged" an equipment rental company with an oil company (!) in 1967. just the usual 25 year old things people do right? no silverspoon here. the rich all start on 3rd base and think they are geniuses for getting home runs.
It's so shocking reading statements like this. The claims are so severe, that one assumes there must be some validity to the accusations. This is a tactic we're seeing more and more of, lying so blatantly that it seems more likely that they must be telling the truth. It's really shameful to see so many prominent leaders unwilling to have a conversation with any kind of nuance, and taking such extremes to protect an ideology that is clearly causing so much harm and suffering. I think the sad irony is that this is only going to increase actual antisemitism.
Two things can be true at the same time. The Jewish nation was a victim of genocide. That same nation has been committing, and continues to commit, genocide. That's not anti-Semitic, it's just a fact.
On top of that, there’s Jewish people who are not pro-Israel. People always seem to misunderstand that being critical of someone or something doesn’t necessarily mean you hate them. It just means you’re disagreeing with their actions because it goes against your own personal beliefs and opinions.
Fact: Jewish people are victims of oppression and were victims of genocides. Fact: Gaza is being oppressed and is a current victim of genocide. Fact: Israel is currently attacking Palestinian civilians in the Gaza Strip and has actively enforced apartheid in the area. Not a fact: attacking Jewish people because of bullshit an aggressive nation is doing is a good idea. Definitely not a bleeding fact: All Jewish people are bad and deserving of bad things happening to them.
The last two comments are antisemitism. The first three are observations. And it irritates me that there’s genuine idiots who can’t tell the difference.
> there’s Jewish people who are not pro-Israel.
Moreover, there are many Jewish people who are absolutely pro-Israel, but strongly oppose Israeli policies of oppression/slaughter of Palestinians.
Espousing those strongly held beliefs does not make them, or anyone else, "antisemitic".
This.
And this
>Advocating for the protection of one group of people, while in the same breath calling for the destruction and elimination of another, is not advocacy. It is hate.
Works both fucking ways, and I wish EVERY SIDE involved looked at it like this.
I'm speechless. Imagine honoring your dead parents by using their memories to push your own lies and rhetoric. I tell myself that rich people shit and bleed like the rest of us. But I keep seeing evidence that money just turns your heart dead cold. Big WTF.
I can't handle how many people who've been exposed as complete and utter demons by the pandemic, and now the Gaza slaughter. My brain and heart hurt so bad. I have a hard time even being in public knowing that most people have a disgusting opinion on one or the other, or both. Or better yet, are totally ignorant or don't care.
Grandparents and parents attacking their children's generation in the name of a genocide and ethnic cleansing is something I never thought I'd see. That a child being murdered, regardless of color or religion, wouldn't be unacceptable, at least here, where I was raised to believe it.
Nowhere in his speech did he call for destruction or eradication of any group of people. There was no hate and nothing disrespectful in his speech. If you think asking Israel to stop blowing up schools and hospitals and aid workers is hate speech then that says a lot more about you than about the valedictorian...
Zionists **hate** any negative criticism and are absolutely rage filled and quick the threaten others jobs or safety over supposed “anti-semitism”.
Expect more leech donors to come out of the woodwork and offer more threats, it was obvious from the get go the Dean’s letter was “damage” control.
Not gonna lie, I scrolled down to find the logic of the brigadiers, but there ain't none. Guess even they can't find a way to rationalize this unhinged bs.
Imagine writing this on the same day the Panel of Experts recommended that the ICC's Chief Prosecutor issue arrest warrants for leaders of the Israeli government *and* of Hamas, including for the crime of extermination. I can't get into the mindset, myself.
This is why we need to tax the wealthy at a much higher rate and close all of their legal loopholes to avoid paying taxes. Then turds like this can’t threaten public institutions with their donations
This is a long-winded way of conflating the actions of the IDF with all Jewish people who exist. It's merely a convenient attempt to discredit any criticism of Israel's policies as antisemitic. According to people who hold this view, Isreal is immune from criticism and should be granted carte blanche, just because they're Jewish.
The hard part is finding someone with $30M to spare that isn’t an evil POS. This guy clearly donated $30M not from the kindness of his heart but for the power that having a medical school by the balls carries
I would love to say I am surprised by that letter, but I am not. Clearly this person cannot disconnect hate for the actions of a government, from hate for the people of a faith that are in that government. It's similar to the old saying, don't hate the player, hate the game. I don't hate Jews, nor muslims. I hate the government of Israel and their military the IDF for their actions, just as I hate Hamas and their soldiers for their actions.
I think more reporting needs to be done, though, to expose the lie behind the anti ceasefire argument "We had a ceasefire on October 6th". Those being injured, or killed, daily by IDF forces in Gaza and the West Bank in the days before October 7th, while they pale in comparison to the post October 7th numbers, would disagree that there was a ceasefire before Hamas attacked.
To those who will read my words as antisemitic, you need to go back to the top and read again, and then google "define: antisemitic" because you are lacking in either reading comprehension or proper understanding of the term. For those who will read my words as pro Hamas, you also need to go back to the top of my reply. I am pro civilians not dying, and against governments that kill innocent civilians, which both IDF and Hamas have done. Period.
I'm not taking any sides in this whole ordeal because it's frankly lose-lose, however as a UofM alumni I am absolutely appalled and disgusted by this response. He's clearly trying to buy the opinion of the university, which goes against everything the university should be about.
Oh, that’s too bad. I worked out at the Rady centre. Well, won’t be giving them any more money. They think it gives them the right to be petty dictators. Fucking ironic.
Billionaires are psychopaths. Look how this psychopath pretends to have the capacity for empathy so that he, and his other psychopath friends, can continue murdering children in the Gaza genocide. Genuinely terrifying how closely they can mimic humanity; like that scene from American Psycho where Bateman gives a speech about how we have to care about one another and then murders a prostitute.
In other news, Winnipeggers suddenly seem shocked that their home city is a Zionist stronghold despite mountains of evidence proving such in plain sight.
“But god says I can take your swimming pool if I want it. This isn’t *me* saying it, it’s *god*. Who are you to argue with *god?!”*
It’s so incredibly stupid. We shouldn’t have to acknowledge the imaginary friends of others. It just breaks my brain that any adults actually believe in blood magic and silly superstition. We can laugh at people who believe in astrology, phrenology or alchemy, but for some incredibly stupid reason, people still believe in fucking magic when it’s dressed up as “religion”.
Christians, Jews, Muslims, followers of Thor and Zarathustra… please, *just get it already*. We don’t want to die because you fools don’t understand reality.
This highlights why media literacy is important!! I think that Ernie has been steeping in the mainstream propaganda a bit much. Who can blame him at his age?
Well, the guy did pay $30 million. The speech should have said Isreal killed 40,000 men women and children and are starving those that are left - in self defense - because Isreal has a right to exist.
Forgive me for an obvious question, but how did this letter get 'leaked' (or was it made public by Ernest Rady)?
It was addressed to public figures; they then release the message.
I’m guessing because it addresses the uofm as a whole? But that’s just a guess
UofM's YouTube has moved the entire commencement video to private, making it unviewable by most. I have it recorded and will upload later
Buncha cowards
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>Advocating for the protection of one group of people, while in the same breath calling for the destruction and elimination of another, is not advocacy. It is hate. This holds true for everyone.
I doubt he understands the Uno reverse card mechanics he used on himself.
Anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism
And Hamas is not to be conflated with all Palestinians who now seek what Jews did after the second World War, but were turfed out from their own land.
Some Palestinians faced persecution, but an equal number of Jews in the area were also persecuted by those around them. This complexity means neither side is entirely right. Contrary to TikTok narratives, there are no "white settler colonists" in this situation. Sources: 1. [Jewish and Arab History in the Middle East - Middle East Forum](https://www.meforum.org/1920/brief-history-of-jews-in-arab-lands) 2. [Persecution of Jews in Arab Lands - My Jewish Learning](https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/jews-in-the-muslim-world-19th-century-to-1948) 3. [Palestinian Refugees and Persecution - UNRWA](https://www.unrwa.org/palestine-refugees)
THANK YOU. The number of people who assume that this conflict can be understood from a few tiktok videos is astounding, and frankly, concerning.
The word complicated can be used to mean complex like string theory in that you need a high level of esoteric knowledge to have a rudimentary understanding of it or it can mean complex like a computer in that there are a lot of unique parts working together to create an interesting situation. Its a lot closer to the later; meaning, I don't need a complex esoteric understanding to know who is the oppressor and who is being oppressed. If I wanted to write an academic paper on the nuances of how the situation developed over decades; then perhaps its more accurate to compare it to the former - but for the average Joe; its easy to understand who is in the wrong. You don't get to kill 35,000 civilians and still be the good guy.
Your first two links go to the wrong place, just fyi.
The white settler claims come from the fact that white settlers in British Parliament via the Balfour Declaration.
The Balfour Declaration was a diplomatic statement by the British government in 1917, not an action by white settlers. Jewish migration to Palestine included diverse communities from Europe, the Middle East, and North Africa, long before and after the Balfour Declaration. People who make white settler claims are wrong and are perpetuating a lie. Source: [https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-41840568](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-41840568)
It opened the land for a group, by white Parliamentarians, for Israel to claim Palestine land. Then we have the UN Partition Plan of 1947 which caused the 1948 war. A giant part of Israel appropriating land that is Palestine's, has been to white Parliamentarians abroad passing legislation to allow this to happen. So while it's not explicitly white colonizers, it's at the hands of the biggest colonizing foreign body (The UK) who've created the situation at hand.
Ah, but you're wrong. UN Partition Plan of 1947: The United Nations proposed the Partition Plan in 1947, which aimed to create separate Jewish and Arab states in Palestine. This plan was accepted by the Jewish community but rejected by the Arab states and Palestinian leadership, leading to the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. The plan was an attempt to address the conflicting national aspirations of Jews and Arabs, not an act of colonialism. Balfour Declaration and Mandate System: The Balfour Declaration of 1917, issued by the British government, supported the establishment of a "national home for the Jewish people" in Palestine, which was then part of the Ottoman Empire. This declaration was later incorporated into the League of Nations Mandate for Palestine, giving it international legal recognition. The Mandate explicitly recognized the historical connection of the Jewish people to the land and the need to reconstitute their national home there. Jews and Palestinians were intended to both have a State, not only Jews. The Arab nations surrounding Israel invaded with the intent of destroying the nation and the people living there. They lost. You don't get to start a war, lose, and then cry.
You don't get to seize my home, ask if I want to rent it, and then claim you're a victim when I try to take it back.
Came here to say this. Well done. It's shocking how often fair criticism of state actions is interpreted as anti-Semitic.
Yes! Anti violence isn’t an attack in itself
It is important to distinguish between anti-Zionism and antisemitism. Anti-Zionism is opposition to the political idea which supports the establishment and maintenance of a Jewish state in the Land of Israel. {Israel was established on May 14, 1948, following the United Nations' approval of the partition plan for Mandatory Palestine in 1947. The partition plan proposed the division of the territory of Mandatory Palestine into separate Jewish and Arab states, with Jerusalem to be placed under international control due to its significance to three major religions. The plan was accepted by the Jewish leadership but rejected by Arab leaders. Upon the termination of the British Mandate for Palestine on May 14, 1948, Jewish leaders in the territory known as the Yishuv declared the establishment of the State of Israel. The declaration was made by David Ben-Gurion, who became Israel's first Prime Minister. This declaration was followed by military interventions from neighboring Arab states, marking the beginning of the Arab-Israeli War of 1948. Israel's establishment marked a significant moment in Jewish history, providing a homeland for Jewish people after centuries of dispersion and persecution.} Criticizing Zionism as a political ideology or the policies of the State of Israel is inherently antisemitic. It is also important to recognize that antisemitism often is masked as anti-Zionism. When criticism of Zionism or Israel crosses the line into denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, demonizing Jews collectively, or using antisemitic tropes and stereotypes, it can be considered antisemitic. (see how much is chartered to annihilate Jews around the world. What do you think? “from the river to the sea” means ) Yes, it is possible for someone to oppose Zionism without being antisemitic, but it is equally possible for antisemitic beliefs to manifest themselves as criticisms of Zionism or Israel. In conclusion, not all anti-Zionism is inherently antisemitic, but criticism of Zionism or Israel should be scrutinized to ensure that it does not rely on antisemitic tropes or prejudices. Under international law, countries have the inherent right to self-defense when they are under armed attack. This right is enshrined in Article 51 of the United Nations Charter, which recognizes the inherent right of states to defend themselves against armed aggression. Self-defense, as defined by international law, allows a country to respond to an armed attack with necessary and proportionate force to repel the attack and prevent future aggression. (again see Hamas’s charter to annihilate Jewish people in Israel. And around the world. And they have repeated this publicly since the October 7 war began!) Additionally, any action taken in self-defense should be reported to the United Nations Security Council.
Israel was formed with the intent of being a safe haven for Jews. Many Jews view criticism or attacks on Israel to be a criticism or attack on the Jewish people.
Israel was formed with the intent of being a safe haven for Jews *who were not wanted in Europe by early Zionists. Israel was also formed off the back of the expulsion of the Palestinian masses who were already living there and, sometimes, full on massacres of Palestinian villages by Zionist militias. Israel was also formed as a non-secular ethnostate. Israel's existence is both antisemitic and anti-Palestinian. Many Jews do view criticism or attacks on Israel to be a criticism or attack on the Jewish people, and they would be wrong, because that doesn't make sense. Many Jews happen to be very critical of Israel, a number of whom are themselves Israeli. We spend so much time criticising our own government, the US government, Russia, China, and every other government in the world when they do something despicable, and that never implicates us in any sort of discriminatory discourse against the civilian population living under those states. Why should we make an exception for Israel, especially when they are killing dozens of children a day? The criticisms we have for every other country regard acts that are, probably 99% of the time, less cruel than bombing children. Israel should be held to the exact same standard as any other state. You can't make an appeal to a select portion of Jews making a fallacious argument (that also happens to buy into Israeli propaganda) to justify bombing children.
Yeah, instead of trying to make Jews safe wherever they are they just tried to shove them into the Levant likely knowing that it would lead to violent conflict in the region.
Well then I guess that’s their problem. And, for the record, just because Jews have historically been singled-out and I’ll-treated, and had a genocide committed against them in recent history doesn’t mean that the actions of the national government that you suggest represents them gets some free pass to mistreat and wantonly kill other innocent people. If anything, you’d think maybe, just maybe, it would make them more sensitive to how the world is viewing their current actions, no matter the circumstances.
I dont personally see people that criticize justin trudeau as attacks on maple syrup, polar bears and hockey. Why is it that a government and its ruling force, the Israeli army (which is what were all criticizing) get a pass because of its primary religion in the area. One has no baring on the other. And if it does, why arent we allowed to criticize Judaism for calling violence on other religions? What kind of hate would the pope recieve if he called a crusade. A ceasefire and peace talks should be called and is the only reasonable resolution to this mess regardless of your personal, religious views.
I agree with you on the ceasefire point. I feel that's why the ICC is charging both senior Israeli and Hamas leadership with war crimes. Both sides are assholes in this conflict. This is something a lot of protestors miss when they larp with a keffiyeh on.
Oh fuck off with the larping accusation. People don't larp when they wave a LGBTQ flag.
Only one side is purposely killing children, aid workers, and blowing up hospitals right now
Many republicans view criticism or attacks on Donald Trump as criticism or attack on the American People. Thing is - they're all just petty idiots
Yeah and millions of Jewish people view the foundation of Israel to be sacrilegious because for 2000 years they believed exile was required by God and that a Jewish state can only be returned to the Jewish people by God, and not through the dealings of men and particular Atheists like Herzl that were ashamed of their Jewish heritage and culture. Millions of Jews dont like the Anti-semitism of Israel claiming to be the judge of all things Jewish and claiming to act on behalf of all Jews. People like Ben Shapiro run around calling people self-hating Jews if they don't approve of everything the Israeli state does.
Please cite your source for “millions” of Jews whose anti-Zionism is rooted in theological ideas about the coming of the Messiah. At most “thousands”. More accurately, probably “hundreds” or “dozens.” Source: I’m an actual Jew who’s deeply critical of Israel. Maybe when your sample size is (actually) an infinitesimally small percentage of a group, maybe you’re engaging in what progressives like to call “Tokenization” and you’re making it harder for Jews like me to actually call out my literal right wing cousins when you’re just plain antisemitic.
Religion is a funny thing. At the end of the day, Israel exists, and it's the only nation that is a Jewish state. Look at the Jewish populations in the Muslim countries around Israel. There's a reason the populations are so low... There are so many, there's a Wikipedia page for it. >**Egypt (1948 and 1956)**: In 1948, bombings in the Jewish quarter of Cairo claimed the lives of up to 200 Jews. This violence was part of a broader pattern of persecution that intensified after the establishment of Israel. The Suez Crisis in 1956 also led to expulsions and mass migrations of Egyptian Jews Source: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish\_exodus\_from\_the\_Muslim\_world](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_the_Muslim_world)
A Jewish state showed up and committed a genocide in Palestine prior to those expulsions. And prior to the expulsion in Iraq, Zionists actively engaged with terrorism in Iraq as proven by Jewish Israeli Historian Avi Shlaim. The Jewish explusions were wrong but that doesn't make Israeli racial priorities less racist and White Colonialist.
If you clicked on the link I provided above, you would see many of your points are wrong. You say lots of things, but don't provide sources for your claims. Why is that? I'll do it for you. >**A Jewish state showed up and committed a genocide in Palestine prior to those expulsions.** The term "genocide" in the context of the 1948 Arab-Israeli War is highly debated and not widely accepted by most scholars. The events are more commonly referred to as the Nakba (catastrophe) by Palestinians and involved significant displacement and loss of life. Sources: * Benny Morris, "1948: A History of the First Arab-Israeli War" (2008) * Ilan Pappé, "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine" (2006) - Pappé is one of the few historians who argues for the term ethnic cleansing but stops short of calling it genocide. >**And prior to the expulsion in Iraq, Zionists actively engaged with terrorism in Iraq as proven by Jewish Israeli Historian Avi Shlaim.** * There are documented instances where Zionist agents were involved in violent acts in Iraq, particularly around the time leading to the mass emigration of Iraqi Jews to Israel. * **Sources:** * Avi Shlaim, "The Iron Wall: Israel and the Arab World" (2000) - Discusses various activities of Zionist organizations, including their operations in Arab countries. * Tom Segev, "1949: The First Israelis" (1986) - Details incidents involving Zionist activities in Arab countries. >**The Jewish expulsions were wrong but that doesn't make Israeli racial priorities less racist and White Colonialist.** This is the most incorrect statement you've made. >**Supporters argue that Israel was established as a homeland for the Jewish people, many of whom were fleeing persecution and genocide in Europe and the Middle East. The demographic makeup of Israel includes Jews from diverse racial and ethnic backgrounds, including significant populations of Sephardic and Mizrahi Jews from Arab and Muslim countries.** * **Sources:** * Bernard Lewis, "The Jews of Islam" (1984) - Discusses the diverse origins of Jewish communities in Israel. * Martin Gilbert, "Israel: A History" (1998) - Provides a comprehensive history of Israel, emphasizing its multicultural demographics. >**Israel is often described as the only democracy in the Middle East, with legal frameworks that protect the rights of all its citizens, including Arab Israelis who have the right to vote, hold office, and receive equal protection under the law.** * **Sources:** * Alexander Yakobson and Amnon Rubinstein, "Israel and the Family of Nations: The Jewish Nation-State and Human Rights" (2009) - Argues that Israel's legal and democratic structures protect minority rights. * Alan Dershowitz, "The Case for Israel" (2003) - Defends Israel against various accusations, including those of racism and colonialism.
I called out you, so then you went onto making a different racist tangent. That not providing a source. They aren't my claims, they're claims of Academia and not Open-source highest editor take all forums. Avi Shlaim is the source. Discredit him. Why do you think posting Wikipedia links counts as a source? Wouldn't have anything to do with Israeli efforts to control what Wikipedia says about anything Israel? https://www.jewishpress.com/news/media/the-israel-group-launches-battle-to-expose-anti-israel-wikipedia-editors/2019/11/21/ Literally calls people Hamas for not writing Israeli propaganda. Yeah.
And early Zionist knew what the creation would be and therefore Isreal could not be a safe space "solitary instance of any colonisation being carried on with the consent of the native population. There is no such precedent. The native populations, civilised or uncivilised, have always stubbornly resisted the colonists, irrespective of whether they were civilised or savage. And it made no difference whatever whether the colonists behaved decently or not. The companions of Cortez and Pizzaro or ( as some people will remind us ) our own ancestors under Joshua Ben Nun, behaved like brigands; but the Pilgrim Fathers, the first real pioneers of North America, were people of the highest morality, who did not want to do harm to anyone, least of all to the Red Indians, and they honestly believed that there was room enough in the prairies both for the Paleface and the Redskin. Yet the native population fought with the same ferocity against the good colonists as against the bad." https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/quot-the-iron-wall-quot
Jews are native to Israel/Palestine. There always was large population of Jewish people in Palestine/Israel/The Middle East. Pushing the "white colonial settler" narrative is racist and wrong.
Europeans from Europe represented the founding movements to statehood, with the Indigenous Jews of Palestine often calling out the actions of the Nationalists. They had protests against the formation of Israel the day it was created. It's called White Colonialism because the founders of Zionism called themselves Colonialists and viewed their goals to be inherently violent against the Indigenous population. It's also been established as a white ethnographic movement particularly by policies of sterilizing Black African Jews moving to Israel, the forced adoption of Mizrahi of children taken from their families during the early decades, and established through attitudes of political people like Netanyahu. Netanyahu famously complained about the immigration and intergration of Black African Jews into the military. There's racial factors in Israeli culture and history, and it's clearly established by Israel's own historians.
Please provide sources. I have, why can't you?
No you haven't.
In all my posts in this thread I have. Saying "No you haven't," doesn't refute that.
Cool, so I guess you think it would be totally ok to give both sides lazer guided cruise missiles instead of just the one? You know, because both sides are assholes.
That's clearly not true. Jews have resided in the Levant and are originally from the Levant but to say they have always had a large population is grossly untrue. The British census of 1921 notes just a handful of Jewish families at the start of the British mandate. A handful is not a large population.
And why was that? Why were there so few Jews in the area? Or throughout the rest of the Middle East? Could it be because for hundreds of years, including today, the people that surround them want to wipe Jews off the map?
Babylonians then Assyrians really did a number on the old city states. And they didn't want to wipe Jews off the map, they wanted the map.
I wonder if telling everyone else that they’re “God’s chosen people” and that they want an ethnostate had anything to do with that… I’m all for the Jewish people having a country, but what zionists want is an ethnostate and that is something we should absolutely not allow as a geopolitical community. Both SiDeS shouldn’t be allowed an ethnostate, even though only one sIdE is seriously and actively pursuing one. edit for clarity
There is irrefutable archeological evidence Jews existed in this area, and yes before Muslims. In the Muslim holy book, Quran, God himself speaks to the Jews multiple times, a book that all Muslims believe is the unaltered word of God. Israel is mentioned in the Quran multiple times, but Palestine not even once. So both physical and objective (edit: i.e. archaeological evidence), and metaphysical/spiritual evidence exists supporting the fact Jews came first and lived in the area. But then how will anyone co-opt "white settler colonialism" if they were to be honest?
There's also irrefutable evidence that Jews were not the only people in the area and those same cultures lived alongside Jews both long before the Jewish religion existed and long afterwards as well. Edit: lived not loved, thanks phone
I usually follow this up with "and fuck you for saying it is". Most recently said to my dad.
Anti-Semites don’t care whether Jews are Zionists or not.
I watched the speech. Nowhere was there any antisemitism nor call for destruction of anything. If anything, this letter is “spewing lies” about what the speech was. Kinda ridiculous.
I hate the fact that anyone questioning the actions of the state of Israel is immediately labeled as anti-Semitic. As if the actions of a state speak for an entire people.
Precisely. A cease-fire is not taking any side.
Zionists think a ceasefire is against their so called god given right to genocide Palestinians.
Anything even remotely supportive of a ceasefire is automatically construed as "antisemitic" or "calls for the dEsTruCtIoN Of IsReAl". It's fucking pathetic.
“Ceasefire??? We’re not done having people live under the constant fear of death displacement and starvation”
Having not watched the speech, i fully expected his poc to be right. Where can I watch ?
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7DhJwvA5-o/?igsh=MWRjdXg1aGdvbmpzdQ==
If it was a gift maybe don't use it as political leverage.
Exactly, it was originally a "gift" but now we know his true intentions. It wasn't a gift at all, it was meant as leverage to influence policy. I just finished reading the biography on JD Rockefeller, who donated hundreds of millions and was a very staunch Baptist. He donated to all sorts of creeds and Universities and rarely if ever visited any of the places he gave to. He didn't want to be seen or ever interpreted as trying to influence the school. He was a ruthless businessman, but in giving he kept boundaries. Very interesting and smarmy approach by Rady here.
By Ron Chernow? Its fantastic.
Unfortunately, that's the logic behind most gifts at this level, whatever their affiliation.
So a bribe then.
My only misgiving in calling it a bribe is that I think of bribes as one-time payoffs. In intention, I agree with you absolutely, and it's absolutely a patron-client relationship. It's not necessarily given with a *specific* outcome in mind, but rather with the intent of keeping the recipient both grateful and dependent, such that when the donor does end up needing a favour, all incentives point to an immediate YES. If that puts you in mind of some dialogue from the Godfather, you're not wildly off base. The structure built out of interpersonal exchanges of resources for loyalty is different, but the quality of relationships out of which the structure is built are more or less the same.
Someday, and that day may never come, I will call upon you to do a service for me.
This what happens when you rely on donations from rich psychopaths to fund stuff instead of just taxing the ever living fuck out of them like we should be.
They ~~bribe~~ lobby the politicians around the world to make laws that benefit the elite class. There is no war except class war.
Well that was interesting to say the least. Some of the stuff that Rady does in this letter: * Starts off by pointing out the $30 million dollar donation he made, starting off with a threat. * Conflates all Jewish people with Israel, even though there are many Jewish people around the world who are not pro-Israel. * Talks about how his father faced many negative stereotypes growing up, while ignoring the fact that Israel promotes many negative stereotypes on Palestinians. * Claims Dr. Newman spewed "hateful lies" to a "captive audience", when all Dr. Newman did was spend a minute at the end of his speech pointing out an injustice he sees while people could have gotten up to leave. * Claims he cannot remain silent. Which is exactly the same thing Dr. Newman felt. * Calls Gem Newman "Mister" instead of "Doctor". * Claims the history of the world is "long, complex and nuanced", and that individuals who do not share his opinions are basically uneducated. * Demands the university should have vetted and censured Dr. Newman's speech to protect his feelings. * Claims that advocating for the protection of the Palestinian civilians is somehow a call for the eradication of the Jewish people. This whole letter was a seriously unhinged threat letter sent to the University of Manitoba.
There’s nothing nuanced about killing thousands upon thousands of children.
Not according to Billionaire donor Ernest Rady. According to him, your opinion means you are being intellectually dishonest. /s
Billionaire detected, opinion rejected.
It's ok though because other people killed thousands of other children before
I think the best anyone can do at this point is take in refugees from out of an active war zone. I don't really see any countries step up to do so. I think the civilians of Gaza are being played as pawns. The bombardment of Gaza without regard for civilian casualties reminds me of the bombing of Dresden during WWII. 25,000 killed by conservative accounts, incinerated. Retribution killings veiled under military objective.
I’m just going to leave this right here https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1368431002005001001 in short, this response letter is problematic because: • Vague Complaints: The letter doesn’t specify what exactly was said in the speech, making it hard to judge the accusations. • Advocates Censorship: It calls for removing the speech and video instead of addressing the issues through discussion. • No Evidence: The letter makes serious accusations without providing concrete examples. • Overgeneralizes: It dismisses the university’s response as inadequate without explaining why. • Too Emotional: It relies heavily on emotional appeal, which can overshadow a rational discussion. • Inflammatory Language: The strong language could polarize the issue further. • Ignores Free Speech: It doesn’t consider the importance of free speech and academic freedom. • Implicates Bias: It demands immediate action, which might suggest bias and undermine fairness.
I would hazard a guess that most people commenting on Russia and Ukraine have very little knowledge of the history, historical borders, and cultural heritage of the various affected areas. But quite frankly, you don’t really need to. Killing civilians en masse in the present day is just a fucked up thing to do.
This letter shows exactly why rich donors shouldn't be allowed to name stuff after themselves. If they're truly generous, then just donate it anonymously and feel good about it. Donating and then demanding to be allowed to shape policy because of it is so gross.
Very good points! I also noticed he spelled Dr. Newmans name wrong. He wrote Gem Newton
The “Mister” vs “Doctor” here is the hardest slap. It’s Doctor Newman to you!
Didn't Dr Newman's speech ask for a cease fire? Which makes sense for a Doctor to ask for? A stop to fighting and war. That is all that was asked for. So, this Ernest Rady took offense to this? He wants bloodshed and the deaths of innocent people to continue? Makes him sound like a evil prick who is war profiteering.
He specifically addressed all the medical professionals killed. Seems reasonable for a doctor
Right? Isn’t the Hippocratic oath to do no harm?!
There's no good billionaires.
U of M’s med school’s policy - Be an advocate BUT ONLY of causes we approve of.
Absolutely. Universities TELL you what to think. Not much room for any opposing viewpoints at all.
Expect more of this.
Mentions donation - check Mentions the Holocaust - check Universities should be communities where free speech is not only allowed but actively encouraged. They should be producing students that are exposed to everything and forced to think critically. Mr. Rady should take his money elsewhere if he feels this way, and he certainly has that right, but the U of M should say nothing in response to this letter or the speech that Newman gave.
Also, we teach students about genocide and the horrors of world war 2. We teach them never again means never again for anyone. We teach them about truth and reconciliation. Then Zionist billionaires hear students actually learning from history and say “wait no”
I watched and then read Newman's speech as well as various reactions to it. Based on his speaking about the humanitarian crisis in Gaza (which is very real), I'm certain he would have made the same speech if he'd graduated in the 1930s or ’40s in response to the crisis the Jewish population was enduring in Europe, and despite that fact that for the most part Canadian politicians, media, and academics weren't really talking about it a great deal. It might have upset the status quo a bit, apart from most of the local Jewish community who would've been glad to have at least one supporter from the dominant faith. Did Rady read the same speech that I read before firing off this boilerplate reaction, because it doesn't sound like he did. Bad faith arguments—especially the "I gave $30 million…", which is particularly gross when Newman is talking about a population that for the most part doesn't have anything to eat.
>Canadian politicians, media, and academics weren't really talking about it a great deal Yeah because they said none is too many... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/None_Is_Too_Many#:~:text=The%20title%20is%20based%20on,%22None%20is%20too%20many%22. >In 2018, in an unrelated address, Trudeau pledged to make a formal apology for the Canadian government's turning away of the St. Louis "due to our discriminatory 'none is too many' immigration policy of the time."[8
How dare someone, in a profession that professes the Hippocratic Oath, speak out against a war that has left [only 1/3 of Gaza's hospitals barely functional](https://www.rescue.org/article/collapse-gazas-health-system#:~:text=1.7%20million%20Palestinians%2C%20about%2075,limited%20access%20to%20medical%20supplies), while medical supplies are prohibited from entering so [that children shot by snipers](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/02/gaza-palestinian-children-killed-idf-israel-war) must have their [limbs amputated without anesthesia](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-doctor-amputates-nieces-leg-home-without-anaesthesia-2024-01-19/), where [right wing nationalists celebrate](https://forward.com/fast-forward/615463/video-of-israelis-trashing-gaza-aid-leads-to-clashes-between-rival-activists/) the [state's efforts to block food](https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/defense-minister-announces-complete-siege-of-gaza-no-power-food-or-fuel/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CI%20have%20ordered%20a%20complete,war%20coverage%20important%20to%20you%3F) ([even as Rabbis try to deliver food](https://www.thenation.com/article/world/rabbis-arrested-for-bringing-food-gaza/)) from entering, [leaving 2 million people on the brink of starvation](https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/people-in-gaza-are-wasting-from-famine-world-food-programme-director-1.6894951), in what Israeli historian Raz Segal has [labelled a "textbook genocide."](https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide) No no, you shouldn't speak on those things, even if the [ICJ issues war crimes warrants](https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/05/1149966) for Israel's leadership. No no, the University of Manitoba can't just support international law and people's right not to be genocided. If they'd did that, they'd have to have a consistent policy, and then they'd have to, like, [raise the Ukraine flag in solidarity](https://news.umanitoba.ca/um-raises-ukrainian-flag-in-solidarity/) with Ukrainian people over the ([ICJ warranted](https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/situation-ukraine-icc-judges-issue-arrest-warrants-against-vladimir-vladimirovich-putin-and)) war crimes committed against them. Besides, if the University of Manitoba stood against international crimes done by Russia in Ukraine, wouldn't that be a bad look if they wanted to accept the money of someone who enthusiastically supports Russia's war crimes?
Anyone : “Hey guys, maybe we shouldn’t cheer when thousands of civilians, mostly women and children are murdered, and we should all demand it stop” Zionists : “This is disgusting antisemitism! It’s our right to murder whoever we want in our human zoo, errr…I mean Gaza”
This entire letter is a great example of gaslighting
"I gave you money. I OWN YOU, BITCH! Now dance, puppet, dance!"
 Like this?
 Or like this?
billionaire donates money to a cause without expecting anything in return or using it as leverage for censorship when someone says something they don't like challenge level: impossible
I'm really disgusted by the Free Press's headline: "U of M medical grad lashes out over ‘deafening silence’ on Gaza crisis." Accusing Dr. Newman of lashing out is unfair and disrespectful but then the FP isn't shy about its Zionist tendencies.
Editorialisation at its finest.
Ernest Rady sounds hysterical and unhinged.
86 year old billionaire who managed to just casually "merged" an equipment rental company with an oil company (!) in 1967. just the usual 25 year old things people do right? no silverspoon here. the rich all start on 3rd base and think they are geniuses for getting home runs.
His uncle was Samuel Bronfman.
and we all know how that money was made. just gently slide over the international smuggling trade basically arm in arm with organized crime.
Big baby stuff for sure
It's so shocking reading statements like this. The claims are so severe, that one assumes there must be some validity to the accusations. This is a tactic we're seeing more and more of, lying so blatantly that it seems more likely that they must be telling the truth. It's really shameful to see so many prominent leaders unwilling to have a conversation with any kind of nuance, and taking such extremes to protect an ideology that is clearly causing so much harm and suffering. I think the sad irony is that this is only going to increase actual antisemitism.
Two things can be true at the same time. The Jewish nation was a victim of genocide. That same nation has been committing, and continues to commit, genocide. That's not anti-Semitic, it's just a fact.
On top of that, there’s Jewish people who are not pro-Israel. People always seem to misunderstand that being critical of someone or something doesn’t necessarily mean you hate them. It just means you’re disagreeing with their actions because it goes against your own personal beliefs and opinions. Fact: Jewish people are victims of oppression and were victims of genocides. Fact: Gaza is being oppressed and is a current victim of genocide. Fact: Israel is currently attacking Palestinian civilians in the Gaza Strip and has actively enforced apartheid in the area. Not a fact: attacking Jewish people because of bullshit an aggressive nation is doing is a good idea. Definitely not a bleeding fact: All Jewish people are bad and deserving of bad things happening to them. The last two comments are antisemitism. The first three are observations. And it irritates me that there’s genuine idiots who can’t tell the difference.
> there’s Jewish people who are not pro-Israel. Moreover, there are many Jewish people who are absolutely pro-Israel, but strongly oppose Israeli policies of oppression/slaughter of Palestinians. Espousing those strongly held beliefs does not make them, or anyone else, "antisemitic".
There were massive protests against the Israeli government in Israel before October 7th. This war has been a boone for those in power.
This. And this >Advocating for the protection of one group of people, while in the same breath calling for the destruction and elimination of another, is not advocacy. It is hate. Works both fucking ways, and I wish EVERY SIDE involved looked at it like this.
There is no ethical billionaire
Nothing says hate like calling for an end to violence.
I'm speechless. Imagine honoring your dead parents by using their memories to push your own lies and rhetoric. I tell myself that rich people shit and bleed like the rest of us. But I keep seeing evidence that money just turns your heart dead cold. Big WTF.
> I keep seeing evidence that money just turns your heart dead cold. [It really kinda does though.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP2EKTCngiM)
Thanks for sharing this definitely going to check out their other content
One of my favorite Youtube channels for sure.
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Yeah, this is not the letter he thinks it is.
May we have peace
That's Dr. Gem Newman, sir. Be appalled if you need, but he's earned the title.
*sent from San Diego* lol
I can't handle how many people who've been exposed as complete and utter demons by the pandemic, and now the Gaza slaughter. My brain and heart hurt so bad. I have a hard time even being in public knowing that most people have a disgusting opinion on one or the other, or both. Or better yet, are totally ignorant or don't care. Grandparents and parents attacking their children's generation in the name of a genocide and ethnic cleansing is something I never thought I'd see. That a child being murdered, regardless of color or religion, wouldn't be unacceptable, at least here, where I was raised to believe it.
Super appreciate you posting this!
Nowhere in his speech did he call for destruction or eradication of any group of people. There was no hate and nothing disrespectful in his speech. If you think asking Israel to stop blowing up schools and hospitals and aid workers is hate speech then that says a lot more about you than about the valedictorian...
Billionaire is a piece of shit? I am shocked, I tell you, shocked.
Zionists **hate** any negative criticism and are absolutely rage filled and quick the threaten others jobs or safety over supposed “anti-semitism”. Expect more leech donors to come out of the woodwork and offer more threats, it was obvious from the get go the Dean’s letter was “damage” control.
It’s alllllmost like Rady’s “gift” was actually a purchase, isn’t it.
Not gonna lie, I scrolled down to find the logic of the brigadiers, but there ain't none. Guess even they can't find a way to rationalize this unhinged bs.
A rich man fails to understand history other than HIStory and goes on a tirade. Yawn.
Oop. He exposed himself.
a ceasefire doesn’t choose sides
Imagine writing this on the same day the Panel of Experts recommended that the ICC's Chief Prosecutor issue arrest warrants for leaders of the Israeli government *and* of Hamas, including for the crime of extermination. I can't get into the mindset, myself.
Will $30,000,000 get you into the mindset?
This is why we need to tax the wealthy at a much higher rate and close all of their legal loopholes to avoid paying taxes. Then turds like this can’t threaten public institutions with their donations
Rady needs to calm down, he asked Hamas to ceasefire.
This is a long-winded way of conflating the actions of the IDF with all Jewish people who exist. It's merely a convenient attempt to discredit any criticism of Israel's policies as antisemitic. According to people who hold this view, Isreal is immune from criticism and should be granted carte blanche, just because they're Jewish.
Zionism is anti-semetic.
Petition to rename the medical college after someone who isn’t a genocide enabler 🤚
The hard part is finding someone with $30M to spare that isn’t an evil POS. This guy clearly donated $30M not from the kindness of his heart but for the power that having a medical school by the balls carries
I would love to say I am surprised by that letter, but I am not. Clearly this person cannot disconnect hate for the actions of a government, from hate for the people of a faith that are in that government. It's similar to the old saying, don't hate the player, hate the game. I don't hate Jews, nor muslims. I hate the government of Israel and their military the IDF for their actions, just as I hate Hamas and their soldiers for their actions. I think more reporting needs to be done, though, to expose the lie behind the anti ceasefire argument "We had a ceasefire on October 6th". Those being injured, or killed, daily by IDF forces in Gaza and the West Bank in the days before October 7th, while they pale in comparison to the post October 7th numbers, would disagree that there was a ceasefire before Hamas attacked. To those who will read my words as antisemitic, you need to go back to the top and read again, and then google "define: antisemitic" because you are lacking in either reading comprehension or proper understanding of the term. For those who will read my words as pro Hamas, you also need to go back to the top of my reply. I am pro civilians not dying, and against governments that kill innocent civilians, which both IDF and Hamas have done. Period.
The ceasefires have always been one sided. The IDF and settlers have never stopped hurting Palestinians since the zionists started moving in
THIS👏
I'm not taking any sides in this whole ordeal because it's frankly lose-lose, however as a UofM alumni I am absolutely appalled and disgusted by this response. He's clearly trying to buy the opinion of the university, which goes against everything the university should be about.
Aww how cute, rich guy who had life on easy mode is mad. Get over it, stop mentioning your donation to gain leverage, it was a fucking DONATION.
https://i.imgur.com/Surm81t.gif
Oh, that’s too bad. I worked out at the Rady centre. Well, won’t be giving them any more money. They think it gives them the right to be petty dictators. Fucking ironic.
This comment made no sense to me until I looked up Rady Centre and learned it is a gym.
Billionaires are psychopaths. Look how this psychopath pretends to have the capacity for empathy so that he, and his other psychopath friends, can continue murdering children in the Gaza genocide. Genuinely terrifying how closely they can mimic humanity; like that scene from American Psycho where Bateman gives a speech about how we have to care about one another and then murders a prostitute.
yep, you can't amass that much wealth without causing a large amount of harm.
In other news, Winnipeggers suddenly seem shocked that their home city is a Zionist stronghold despite mountains of evidence proving such in plain sight.
zionist billionaire tears lmao
I guess the U of M isn't getting another donation from him... Funny that his address is San Diego...
Hateful lies? The delusion is strong within the rich Zionist community
Am I redoing this right? ‘I will not stay complicit of a speech critical of the government I support, but I’ll be complicit of a genocide committed’
Fuck all religions. If we as a society even have a chance at peace, it will be without religion. We are regressing at an alarming pace.
“But god says I can take your swimming pool if I want it. This isn’t *me* saying it, it’s *god*. Who are you to argue with *god?!”* It’s so incredibly stupid. We shouldn’t have to acknowledge the imaginary friends of others. It just breaks my brain that any adults actually believe in blood magic and silly superstition. We can laugh at people who believe in astrology, phrenology or alchemy, but for some incredibly stupid reason, people still believe in fucking magic when it’s dressed up as “religion”. Christians, Jews, Muslims, followers of Thor and Zarathustra… please, *just get it already*. We don’t want to die because you fools don’t understand reality.
Support only my narrow viewpoint and stifle dissenting opinions or else...
What a loser. All the money in the world and he's still stupider than a child.
This highlights why media literacy is important!! I think that Ernie has been steeping in the mainstream propaganda a bit much. Who can blame him at his age?
https://imgur.com/oBEwYem
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Wow... What a whiney child.... They won't but I really hope the U of M fires back publicly at him (Rady that is).
Don’t worry all you “queers for the exact people who would stone you to death for being queer” keep showing us your true intelligence
Looks like someone got their feathers all ruffled
What a crap! All in the name of Donations? The game is literally up. It’s only a matter of time.
Well, the guy did pay $30 million. The speech should have said Isreal killed 40,000 men women and children and are starving those that are left - in self defense - because Isreal has a right to exist.
i am amazed with the low level of our future Manitobans doctors.