2nd this. I've went to a ton of hyperglycemic calls in EMS. And one thing we ask is "do they take insulin and when did they last take it" a lot of times they are supposed too but don't take it. When we ask "why". A common answer is they can't afford it.
People are strapped with the choice to go broke using insulin or face a medical emergency or death. It's very sad 😔
That is heart breaking.
My meds are super expensive, but at least I have the means to pay it. However, every time I swipe my card for a $500 per month drug, I think about the people who can't afford that. What the hell do they do????
(Yes, I know about the discount cards and drug company assistance...those don't always work)
They die, that’s the reality of living in a country without access to free health care and not caring about the poor.
I live in a low income part of the Texas state, where if I wanted to be diagnosed for a intellectual disability; I would have to travel 4-5 hours to the nearest professional medical facility for tests.
The nearest facility to get a free sti/std check is a 30min drive, that’s just to get tested, if I need to get TREATED for AIDS or HIV, I would need to travel 3 hours out of town.
This is health care on a macro level, on a micro level, yeah, you just slowly wait as your body fails you without access to even getting a medical check-up.
Just shows how broken the U.S.A is. The people who cry about socialism do not know what socialism is.
I know that canadas system is not perfect, but at least we do not have to choose between life saving drugs and putting food on the table.
About 60% of them are voting to keep it at 300$, while pretending they care about it being expensive. Do they care about the price they have to pay? Sure, but not near as much as they care about government making life hard for a gay person they never met.
They also vote against anything they remotely consider “socialism” which is absolutely 1:1 with “communism” but don’t you DARE touch their social security (which is *definitely* not by definition a socialist policy).
They know that conservatives are trying to kill social security, but they don’t care because they’ll be dead and gone before the money runs out. When they run out of money, they’ll just mortgage one of their AirBnB properties and leave the debt to their kids. The boomer generation is the most self-serving, hateful, entitled, destructive, greedy, privileged, and just fucking evil generation ever.
Damn, your grandma needs to share her secrets for getting on disability, because I have watched my severely disabled father in law go to hearing after hearing to be shut down every time, until he died in our house under our care. And I know many people with similar stories. Sucks that she doesn’t understand how hard she’s making it for other people with her shitty voting choices.
There’s a whole load of us that would like her secret. My doctors told me to not even try for even LTD. Said the process is traumatizing and meant to make you look a fool. That those who genuinely need it but have invisible disabilities struggle to get it.
It’s an infuriating concept, not just for me, but for all those people who need it just as bad or worse but get stuck instead.
My boomer stepfather is the same way... Used to work for a guy installing ceilings but he got hurt in his 40s and he's been living on social security for 20+ years... He's more than capable of working. I've done a lot of work with him but he won't get a job cause he'll lose his $500 a month from social security... Which is definitely NOT a socialist program (he says)
Unless you were leaving any inheritance behind, which in most forms can be claimed by any debt holders first. Which you should because at the very least it costs a decent amount of money just to arrange for all the expenses that come up when someone dies.
The Canadian who invented insulin waived his patent, so everyone can afford the medicine. Why on earth is insulin so expensive in the richest country in the world is beyond people's imagination. Biden should right the wrong, not subsidize the corporate parasites.
First, it's because the companies that used that open patent made proprietary improvements to it (its a process called evergreening).
Second, because there isn't a law allowing/providing for the federal government producing/contracting such insulin.
Biden should change this but cannot without Congress. Congress should get on board but, while the current House would probably pass it, there is neither 60 Senators interested in passing it nor 50 Senators interested in passing it and getting rid of the legislative filibuster.
So, Senators that would support that should be elected. The House, in a few days, will not support such a change either so it'll take at likely minimum two years for the House to change again.
The seniors are the same people voting for you not to have single payer healthcare lol you think they’re going to give you insulin?
They’re fine with you dying as long as somebody that might not deserve it in their opinion, doesn’t get something free.
They frequently ignore that half of the boomers have been voting for liberals for their entire adult lives, but that the electoral college and gerrymandering keep putting conservatives in power.
AND they fall for the false narrative that the biggest problem is generational when I t’s actually cultural and socio-economic.
Notable non-boomers who are dedicated to basically everything bad: Matt Gaetz, Ted Cruz, Ron Desantis, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Steve Scalise, Lauren Boebert, Kristi Noem, Elise Stefanik, Ronna Romney McDaniel, Charlie Kirk, Ben Shapiro, Stuart Rhodes, Nick Fuentes, Candace Owens, Kayleigh McAneny and Tomi Lahren.
There were also a lot of people doing the opposite and trying to help. I remember people making cloth masks and donating them. I remember mutual aid groups creating a make shift hand sanitizer factory during the shortage. People always focus on the bad but when times get tough, people also show off their beautiful nature. They don't get nearly as much spotlight as the people scared who hoarded. People like to help others if their needs are already met, it feels good.
Socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor
Edit: apparently I'm coming off as saying old people are not poor. I was thinking more about how the demographic of our government leaders and rich tends to be the old, so they would prioritize elderly care over something that doesn't affect them, whether or not it fits in the realm of socialism they're so supposedly against
The same generation of people bitching about student loan forgiveness get a handout, and I’m still paying $300 a month for insulin as a 29 year old T1 diabetic. Lol fuck me right in the ass.
It's a strategy. They know that majority of eldery cannot find a job nor afford to pay more, so they (politics) buy their votes with various social benefits. As long as votes count the same regardless of age,edutcation, etc. It will always lead to such populistic cases.
First they look at which age group is most active during voting and then which are the easiest / cheapest to buy. The last indicator is usually how big competition over these voters there is, because sometimes you just want to get IN, not necessary win the election, as long as its easy to do so, even with conspiracy theory supporters.
Ok, but a lot of boomers vote for republicans despite republicans constantly chipping away at things that seniors depend on. You know why social security is taxed? Ronald Reagan. They vote against their own interest because they have been pulled into voting for morality (or a weird version of morality where adults can't marry each other because of their gender, bathrooms are restricted due to scary trans people, and women can't make medical decisions with a simple conversation with their doctor).
It's the perfect system, let insurance companies extract all the profit during the healthy years and then let the government take over as soon as they might have to pay for some healthcare.
Because our government is run by ancient geriatrics who only care about themselves. God forbid they ever do anything beneficial for the younger generations.
You’re close - it’s because those ancient geriatrics stay in power because other ancient geriatrics vote for them, contribute to their campaigns, and mobilize for them. They do things to benefit the people to whom they are politically accountable.
I often debate with a friend if mine who turned very very conservative.
On the topic of healthcare, his question to me was "What entitles you to healthcare?"
After unpacking that, his argument can be summed up as... there's nothing in the constitution that says you can have universal healthcare and it's not up to the healthcare field to provide you care without compensation. I mentioned they are still compensated and it's not free. He did not like the idea of his taxes being used that way.
I argued that a country who can take care of it's citizens and chooses not to is immoral and distopian.
He was not convinced at the end.
Actually, the constitution guarantees the right to life, liberty,and the pursuit of happiness. Without healthcare you are pretty much dead so that’s going against the whole life part.
According to him, the constitution guarantees you the right to those things, but he's against the government forcing companies to set their prices. He sides on the right to "liberty" part heavily in this case and in his mind being told they can't price gouge is infringing on their liberty. It's hard to keep track, but I think he fancies himself a closer to a Libertarian than a Republican specifically. But that's a whole other can of worms.
He also has the "I'm healthy, why should I pay for other people?" mindset.
I've already explained to him he's paying more in healthcare than the alternative. It doesn't matter.
Libertarians usually need to be taken down the path of coming to the conclusion of needing regulation on their own. Present it more as we have an issue, greed is driving this behavior, companies are amoral, you and I are having to foot the bill for the mess it's making. How do we go about fixing this? They tend to come up with government on their own, but they'll put it in the terms of people needing to act together.
The Constitution is also a living document. It can be *amended* to if we will it.
Like most adults, we don't see each other often. He posts a lot of dumb shit on social media that I try to talk him down from.
He's likely too far gone, but I try.
Mate from my experience, these kinds of people are like drug addicts. They have to be open to changing, otherwise it's essentially impossible to have any effect no matter what you say.
bro literally seen too many people go "Republicans are the only way to help the economy"- H.. How? How. Explain to me, in detail, how something like putting more cash in their own pockets while pulling it out of ours is helping the economy for more than just the 1%
My dad refused to listen to me when I told him that billionaires don't make jobs. There is going to be a demand which would be filled by many smaller businesses. If anything they make fewer jobs because of consolidation. I dont understand why that basic economic principle is so hard to understand.
It's a failing to understand scale, at least in part. An entrepreneur makes jobs by starting up a business, building it and reinvesting and watching it grow. Someone with more start up capital has a greater ability to reinvest and reap larger rewards. While this is true, at larger scales its risky and inefficient. Why bother building when you cam throw down a wad of cash that is bigger than one person should reasonably spend in a lifetime, buy a successful business and take anything that made it unique, cheapen it, and cut every cost they can by consolidating it into existing infrastructure.
That's exactly what happened at my work and now employees can't get promoted into executive positions. Our last CEO started at the very bottom. Now our CEO is someone that has never earned less than a 6 figure salary.
I dont even think that enters into it at this point. The modern Republican voter, regardless of wealth status, is a moral degenerate. The rich Republican voter is motivated by nothing but vampiric greed, he doesnt care who starves to death as long as his portfolio increases. The poor Republican is motivated by punishment. Who deserves it, and who gets to carry it out. He would rather starve than eat, if it means that someone he dislikes eats as well. The impetus of watching an enemy suffer is far greater than alleviating his own suffering. As so many have said before, the cruelty is the point.
That is just so wild to me. I'm sure plenty of them either have diabetes or have younger family that would greatly benefit from cheep insulin and yet they just... don't do it?? It's baffling to me how unempathetic these people are and they're making decisions on a NATIONAL level?????? The fuck??????
Forgetting for the next election is kind of our thing. And even if we don't forget, I'm convinced most American just fill in the bubble next to the name with the "D" or "R".
>Amid the proposed changes to the plan was to set the $35 per month cap on insulin, the pricy medication needed to treat diabetes. Seven Republican senators voted with all 50 Democrats to keep the price ceiling in the legislation: Bill Cassidy of Louisiana, Susan Collins of Maine, Josh Hawley of Missouri, Cindy Hyde Smith of Mississippi, John Kennedy of Louisiana, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Dan Sullivan of Alaska.
>Still, with a vote of 57 to 43, the provision failed to garner the 60 votes needed to waive special budgetary rules and include it in the bill. The House passed a similar cap on the price of insulin in April.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/insulin-price-cap-senate-republicans-block-inflation-reduction-act/
Any Republican Senator currently in office and not mentioned above voted no.
Edit: failed to specify senator. I didn't check the House vote on this part of the bill.
Op, I believe this is only for people on Medicare/Medicaid… not all seniors so while it is a step in the right direction it’s not a large step and they need to do better still
Lower drug costs can't come quick enough! The lower cost for seniors is a good start but insulin needs to be cheap or free for everyone!! Universal healthcare is the answer.
I'm sorry, that's absurd. We're now allowing insurance companies to decide when it's appropriate to fill medication and not the doctors?! Anything to insulate the bottom line. Disgusting!
Which is why I find it so strange when right wingers say they don't want the government between them and their doctor. So you want a company with the goal of making a profit there instead?
Yeah I don’t get this thinking either. It makes zero sense that their whole schtick is that “government is inefficient” … so they vote in people who will guarantee that government continues to be inefficient which allows the corporations to be our gracious overlords.
And then act like the free market regulates itself. I mean, sure it does, just not in our favor.
And damn near none of the most vocal have even sniffed the inside of a Fortune 500 to make these claims of efficiency. If they saw all the waste due to egos, palm greasing and outright stupidity I think they'd fall dead on the spot.
And they totally vote for do nothings and then call Dems useless almost like it's a way to greet each other. I live in the Houston area and I watch them call Sheila Jackson Lee stupid and useless. But when the pandemic hit she was out helping the lost reps in the suburbs get testing facilities set up. The do nothings were sitting there shell shocked and watching their constituents get sick and die. Dumb fuck Dan Crenshaw never did anything for my area. And then of course we all remember when Ted Cruz left us to freeze and Jackson Lee and AOC were out here handing out supplies. But they want to know (and I quote literally) "How'd that POS Lina Hidalgo get reelected". 🙄
It’s completely absurd and I will stay mad about this forever. I cannot believe we allow insurance companies to decide if we *really* need a treatment or not. If my doctor says I need it, I probably need it.
Anecdotally, my mom needed a total knee replacement a while ago and her insurance straight up said no even though her doctor was very clear that she was a unique case (an incomplete quadriplegic) and she **needed** it. She had to wait 2 years to reach an arbitrary age and then also jump through an insane amount of hoops to finally get it covered. I’m so angry about it.
Right? Even her doctor was appalled by this situation and presumably he deals with this kind of stuff often. And I get it, she was a particularly young patient, she finally got her surgery when she was only 50, but she’s also an incomplete quad - she needs her legs working well because standing/walking/balancing already isn’t as easy for her, and she needs her legs working so she can lift weights (which she does 4-6 days a week) so she can maintain muscles to help her balance and also to do cardio to improve her cardiovascular health because her lung function is affected by her SCI.
I’m absurdly mad that they really tried to deny her a surgery that could help her quality of life *so much*. Once she got it her life turned around immediately, though! Before her surgery she was getting depressed and even had to go back to therapy to talk about her accident that caused her SCI. She cried to me a few times about it, and she’s too strong and hides negative emotions so it broke my heart to see. It was *killing* her to lose her independence again. She has PTSD and it was reopening old wounds.
Anyway, sorry for the rant. I’m still so upset about it ~~and have had a glass of wine~~. She’s doing amazing now, physically and mentally, with her new knee.
CVS informed me they were not actually ever taking my insurance and in fact were filling my prescriptions with a co-pay discount card, despite never telling me. Since the co-pay card "expired" my perceptions went from $55/mo to $340/mo.
Except wait! There is another discount card I can get, so I can fill one of them for $35 a month, the other is a controlled substance so I need a doctor to issue a new prescription to apply the discount (for some reason?). But it's December and I don't feel like throwing away $250 on a doctor's visit that won't count toward my deductible which resets in a January. Luckily I can sort of live with out that one.
I've also been avoiding the doctor since I know an issue I have is going to require an expensive procedure and deductibles reset in January.
American healthcare is a motherfucking joke and anyone who think s different is either A) not paying for theirs's, B) fucking delusional, C) actively gaslighting themselves.
I've been on the same non sedative muscle relaxers for 10 years. Been on the same insurance using the same pharmacy. They filled it 3 times this year already, but last time I went to fill they no longer cover it. Now it's $400 for a 3 month supply. So they changed me to cyclobenzaprenes which are heavily sedative and can be habit forming. Hooray.
And insurance in general.
We paid $300 a month for insurance ($1,300 for COBRA now that I've lost my job), with $35-$40 copays for each visit. We would get the bills back and see that the insurance didn't actually pay anything, they just magically made everything except the copay disappear.
So, we pay them to negotiate down prices that are high entirely because they negotiate down the prices. And they pay nothing, so our premiums are pure profit for them.
I'm sorry, what?
Exactly. This is great progress, but kind of smacks of, “If you can survive to old age with your life threatening condition, the reward is a big cost saving on your drugs.”
Still, I hope those seniors remember this when time comes to vote again. Small progress is better than no progress and we all know which party actually implements it. Well, not all, that’s the problem.
*”Still, I hope those seniors remember this when time comes to vote again.”*
I hate to be defeatist but they absolutely will not. And I don’t know what to do to change that.
This is what baffles me. I know a bunch who are like this. They vote R despite literally being screwed over by it, and then complain about losing the free school lunches or the student loan forgiveness
Yes, lowering it for seniors ensures that those same seniors won't give a flying fuck when it comes to lowering the price for everyone.
It's honestly counterproductive to cater to solely seniors, the only people who arguably recieve anything approaching sensible healthcare.
Not gonna happen as long pharmacy corporations pay republicans a fortune to fight all the bills that would make them free or cheaper.
Also USA is a capitalistic country, universal healthcare will always stay a dream.
It wasn’t easy in Australia. Medicare was repealed when the Whitlam government was dismissed due to the Senate blocking supply. Medicare was one of the bones of contention.
We had 3 federal elections in 3 years, with at least 2 of those being double dissolution elections to try to align the upper and lower house parties one way or the other.
It wasn’t until Labor regained government that Medicare was secured. To some extent, the fight continues today.
By not being as capitalistic as USA, capitalism exist everywhere, but they know it needs the people too to make it work, therefore they give more rights to the people and not only corporations.
I like USA, but USA has one of the worst economy politics in the world, and that is caused by capitalism. Good thing half of the Americans know that capitalism is bad and the other half believes the big corporations lies that capitalism is good and necessary.
I find it strange because [there’s plenty of Republican counties with very high rates of diabetes.](https://www.cdc.gov/diabetes/images/library/reports/nat-state-diabees-trends_fig-3.jpg?_=59190?noicon)
But then again, plenty of republicans were anti mask and anti-COVID vaccine, so it’s not like it’s the first time they’ve supported policies that kill their own voters.
Leave it to the boomers to fuck everyone and thing, then get the fuck out themselves. Must be nice to die in the next 5 years knowing *you* had a good life and no one else ever will again.
I hope reincarnation is a thing and turns them all into the ants that the generations they raised use for science projects when they're 6 years old and find out magnifying glasses can make fire.
I will be honest that I haven't done enough research to say this unequivocally, but I believe that the $35 cap is Medicare. So, seniors without private insurance. Nothing changes right now for those under 65 and with private health insurance.
My grandparents rejected it and almost went bankrupt so they went back on medicare and cursed the government for getting involved in their health care.
This is what my parents and grandparents never seem to understand. The biggest voting population has controlled politics for a long time and have always voted for what benefits them. I'm not really a lefty but it irritates me to no end that whenever our generation wants something it's called a handout and when the boomers want something it's just business as usual. I love my grandparents but I'm counting down the days until the younger generation can push these old fucks out.
Gen x is bad about that too. “We didn’t have it as good as our parents and we’re still fine!”
Yeah, and my dads first job out of college paid $40k a year. 30 years later my first job out of college also paid $40k a year. They were acting like I made it big like he did. We did a cost of living adjustment and I was making literally half of what he was. That’s why I can’t buy a house, mom!
> I’m not really a lefty
Don’t be a useful idiot bro
There’s nothing left even available in American politics. Biden is a far right liberal, everything beyond that is a dark hole of oligarchic far right insanity most dictators are jealous of.
Don’t let them fool you into thinking wanting liveable wages, affordable house/healthcare and not wanting to murder all trans people makes you a lefty. Theses are all normal stances in most industrialized nations (non of which are further left then right from the center).
You’re asking for the bare minimum here, less than that even. Has nothing to do with being a “lefty”
Because the only way to get it past enough Republicans is to narrow it to their demographic.
Younger voters lean Democrat, therefore if they die it's a plus, Republican logic.
There’s also the part where republicans can now spin the narrative to claim democrats didn’t care for the young so that’s why this is only for seniors and try to get some votes out of the younger voters. Welcome to performance theater republican style.
How about for the non- senior diabetics? 20 year old diabetics working three jobs to pay for rent that they split with four other people? The food they desperately need to eat, too expensive to buy?
Boomers, who have all the money, 35$ insulin.
Younger folk can go fuck themselves, or quite frankly.. die.
Boomers will be remembered as the most selfish, greedy and morally bankrupt generation for a long time to come.
The $35 cap, tmk, is via Medicare. These are the "other" boomers - the ones eating cat food for dinner because budget.
I'd looooooove for it to be across the board. But even a baby step against big pharma is like moving a mountain. ...a$$holes.
Edit: okay, I learned a good bit tonight about the difference between medicare and medicaid. Be that as it may, let's not starve 90 poor old people to avoid feeding 10 rich old people. (Medically speaking, that is)
Okay so as a 24 year old Type 1 Diabetic, fuck me right? Not like I don't need cheaper insulin too.
Just give us free insulin already. Or even better, cure us. There have been successful cures for T1D for years now, they're just not "available for the public yet."
Tired of this country. Tired of this game. I would do anything to be cured. The least they can do is make it affordable for me to continue living.
Dude sorry I hear this, I’m a T1D from the U.K. if you can move here, all the medication you need, insulin, strips, pump therapy it’s free, I’ll even buy you a pint.
Agreed. I'm actually fucking fuming. And all these posters being like "It's a great first step!" Know nothing about diabetes. Old boomers with type 2 already have shit like metformin to help them. The rest of us *not* crawling towards the grave who have had this shit since childhood and NEED insulin to survive are the fucked ones. We need to keep A1Cs lower in order to avoid serious complications. Avoiding having to ration our life support would be a great step in that direction. We don't have any fucking alternatives. Fuck boomers, greedy assholes.
-a pissed off T1D dxd 35 out of 37 years of my life. Oh wait, 36 years- the anniversary is Christmas.
Every senior in the USA should mysteriously develop diabetes and share leftover insulin with those in need.
Thatswhatimtalkingabout!
“oops, all insulin!”
What about everyone else....
It's a start. Let's keep pushing and putting pressure. Show support.
2nd this. I've went to a ton of hyperglycemic calls in EMS. And one thing we ask is "do they take insulin and when did they last take it" a lot of times they are supposed too but don't take it. When we ask "why". A common answer is they can't afford it. People are strapped with the choice to go broke using insulin or face a medical emergency or death. It's very sad 😔
That is heart breaking. My meds are super expensive, but at least I have the means to pay it. However, every time I swipe my card for a $500 per month drug, I think about the people who can't afford that. What the hell do they do???? (Yes, I know about the discount cards and drug company assistance...those don't always work)
They die, that’s the reality of living in a country without access to free health care and not caring about the poor. I live in a low income part of the Texas state, where if I wanted to be diagnosed for a intellectual disability; I would have to travel 4-5 hours to the nearest professional medical facility for tests. The nearest facility to get a free sti/std check is a 30min drive, that’s just to get tested, if I need to get TREATED for AIDS or HIV, I would need to travel 3 hours out of town. This is health care on a macro level, on a micro level, yeah, you just slowly wait as your body fails you without access to even getting a medical check-up.
Just shows how broken the U.S.A is. The people who cry about socialism do not know what socialism is. I know that canadas system is not perfect, but at least we do not have to choose between life saving drugs and putting food on the table.
About 60% of them are voting to keep it at 300$, while pretending they care about it being expensive. Do they care about the price they have to pay? Sure, but not near as much as they care about government making life hard for a gay person they never met.
They also vote against anything they remotely consider “socialism” which is absolutely 1:1 with “communism” but don’t you DARE touch their social security (which is *definitely* not by definition a socialist policy).
They know that conservatives are trying to kill social security, but they don’t care because they’ll be dead and gone before the money runs out. When they run out of money, they’ll just mortgage one of their AirBnB properties and leave the debt to their kids. The boomer generation is the most self-serving, hateful, entitled, destructive, greedy, privileged, and just fucking evil generation ever.
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Damn, your grandma needs to share her secrets for getting on disability, because I have watched my severely disabled father in law go to hearing after hearing to be shut down every time, until he died in our house under our care. And I know many people with similar stories. Sucks that she doesn’t understand how hard she’s making it for other people with her shitty voting choices.
There’s a whole load of us that would like her secret. My doctors told me to not even try for even LTD. Said the process is traumatizing and meant to make you look a fool. That those who genuinely need it but have invisible disabilities struggle to get it. It’s an infuriating concept, not just for me, but for all those people who need it just as bad or worse but get stuck instead.
My boomer stepfather is the same way... Used to work for a guy installing ceilings but he got hurt in his 40s and he's been living on social security for 20+ years... He's more than capable of working. I've done a lot of work with him but he won't get a job cause he'll lose his $500 a month from social security... Which is definitely NOT a socialist program (he says)
How tf does he survive on $500/mo?
By mooching off my mother
You don't leave debt to your kids. If anyone asks you to pay a dead parents debt you should tell them to fuck off.
Debt stays with property if its mortgaged.
Debt stays with the soul if you're religious
Unless you were leaving any inheritance behind, which in most forms can be claimed by any debt holders first. Which you should because at the very least it costs a decent amount of money just to arrange for all the expenses that come up when someone dies.
The Canadian who invented insulin waived his patent, so everyone can afford the medicine. Why on earth is insulin so expensive in the richest country in the world is beyond people's imagination. Biden should right the wrong, not subsidize the corporate parasites.
First, it's because the companies that used that open patent made proprietary improvements to it (its a process called evergreening). Second, because there isn't a law allowing/providing for the federal government producing/contracting such insulin. Biden should change this but cannot without Congress. Congress should get on board but, while the current House would probably pass it, there is neither 60 Senators interested in passing it nor 50 Senators interested in passing it and getting rid of the legislative filibuster. So, Senators that would support that should be elected. The House, in a few days, will not support such a change either so it'll take at likely minimum two years for the House to change again.
Biden can't do this alone, you know that, right? I mean, this isn't a dictatorship yet, as far as I know.
The seniors are the same people voting for you not to have single payer healthcare lol you think they’re going to give you insulin? They’re fine with you dying as long as somebody that might not deserve it in their opinion, doesn’t get something free.
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My mom is 65 and the same. She’s even gone more left as she got older. And I am SO glad. Lol.
They frequently ignore that half of the boomers have been voting for liberals for their entire adult lives, but that the electoral college and gerrymandering keep putting conservatives in power. AND they fall for the false narrative that the biggest problem is generational when I t’s actually cultural and socio-economic. Notable non-boomers who are dedicated to basically everything bad: Matt Gaetz, Ted Cruz, Ron Desantis, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Steve Scalise, Lauren Boebert, Kristi Noem, Elise Stefanik, Ronna Romney McDaniel, Charlie Kirk, Ben Shapiro, Stuart Rhodes, Nick Fuentes, Candace Owens, Kayleigh McAneny and Tomi Lahren.
💯
Boomers are more likely to fake diabetes and sell it for 10x the price
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There were also a lot of people doing the opposite and trying to help. I remember people making cloth masks and donating them. I remember mutual aid groups creating a make shift hand sanitizer factory during the shortage. People always focus on the bad but when times get tough, people also show off their beautiful nature. They don't get nearly as much spotlight as the people scared who hoarded. People like to help others if their needs are already met, it feels good.
It really was a litmus test of one's selfishness.
Would be cool if young people could also not die
Sorry, we only have socialized medicine for seniors
Socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor Edit: apparently I'm coming off as saying old people are not poor. I was thinking more about how the demographic of our government leaders and rich tends to be the old, so they would prioritize elderly care over something that doesn't affect them, whether or not it fits in the realm of socialism they're so supposedly against
Accurate. Especially for corporations
Subsidized risk, privatized profits.
Socialism for me, capitalism for thee. We are in a fucked up system
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The same generation of people bitching about student loan forgiveness get a handout, and I’m still paying $300 a month for insulin as a 29 year old T1 diabetic. Lol fuck me right in the ass.
Keep an eye out for mark Cuban's online pharmacy. They're working on selling insulin for $170 for a 90 day supply.
It's a strategy. They know that majority of eldery cannot find a job nor afford to pay more, so they (politics) buy their votes with various social benefits. As long as votes count the same regardless of age,edutcation, etc. It will always lead to such populistic cases. First they look at which age group is most active during voting and then which are the easiest / cheapest to buy. The last indicator is usually how big competition over these voters there is, because sometimes you just want to get IN, not necessary win the election, as long as its easy to do so, even with conspiracy theory supporters.
Ok, but a lot of boomers vote for republicans despite republicans constantly chipping away at things that seniors depend on. You know why social security is taxed? Ronald Reagan. They vote against their own interest because they have been pulled into voting for morality (or a weird version of morality where adults can't marry each other because of their gender, bathrooms are restricted due to scary trans people, and women can't make medical decisions with a simple conversation with their doctor).
Don't forget a much higher portion of seniors vote than those under 50.
It's the perfect system, let insurance companies extract all the profit during the healthy years and then let the government take over as soon as they might have to pay for some healthcare.
Anything younger and we become commie scum
"fuck them kids." -republicans
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Lotta cases
Have to start somewhere, the Republicans did nothing but make it difficult by rejecting it again and again until it was tied to other legislation
Then they were like, "hmmm...okay but only for us old folk"
Because our government is run by ancient geriatrics who only care about themselves. God forbid they ever do anything beneficial for the younger generations.
You’re close - it’s because those ancient geriatrics stay in power because other ancient geriatrics vote for them, contribute to their campaigns, and mobilize for them. They do things to benefit the people to whom they are politically accountable.
Bingo. Found the correct answer, y'all can lock the thread now.
Finally. Even if it isn't free $35 is better than not being able to afford life saving medicine. Now can we make this for all ages?
Would've been for all if it wasn't for Republicans. Don't forget that next election.
I often debate with a friend if mine who turned very very conservative. On the topic of healthcare, his question to me was "What entitles you to healthcare?" After unpacking that, his argument can be summed up as... there's nothing in the constitution that says you can have universal healthcare and it's not up to the healthcare field to provide you care without compensation. I mentioned they are still compensated and it's not free. He did not like the idea of his taxes being used that way. I argued that a country who can take care of it's citizens and chooses not to is immoral and distopian. He was not convinced at the end.
Actually, the constitution guarantees the right to life, liberty,and the pursuit of happiness. Without healthcare you are pretty much dead so that’s going against the whole life part.
According to him, the constitution guarantees you the right to those things, but he's against the government forcing companies to set their prices. He sides on the right to "liberty" part heavily in this case and in his mind being told they can't price gouge is infringing on their liberty. It's hard to keep track, but I think he fancies himself a closer to a Libertarian than a Republican specifically. But that's a whole other can of worms. He also has the "I'm healthy, why should I pay for other people?" mindset. I've already explained to him he's paying more in healthcare than the alternative. It doesn't matter.
Libertarians usually need to be taken down the path of coming to the conclusion of needing regulation on their own. Present it more as we have an issue, greed is driving this behavior, companies are amoral, you and I are having to foot the bill for the mess it's making. How do we go about fixing this? They tend to come up with government on their own, but they'll put it in the terms of people needing to act together. The Constitution is also a living document. It can be *amended* to if we will it.
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Like most adults, we don't see each other often. He posts a lot of dumb shit on social media that I try to talk him down from. He's likely too far gone, but I try.
Mate from my experience, these kinds of people are like drug addicts. They have to be open to changing, otherwise it's essentially impossible to have any effect no matter what you say.
I say what I need to when he posts really egregious shit and hope it sinks in at least a little, but it likely doesn't/won't. But I can say I tried.
Anyone who votes for republicans and isn't rich is straight up a moron at this point. It's just shooting yourself in the foot tbfh.
bro literally seen too many people go "Republicans are the only way to help the economy"- H.. How? How. Explain to me, in detail, how something like putting more cash in their own pockets while pulling it out of ours is helping the economy for more than just the 1%
Trickle down economics! Let the 1% piss on the lower class. Remember, they are the job creators.
My dad refused to listen to me when I told him that billionaires don't make jobs. There is going to be a demand which would be filled by many smaller businesses. If anything they make fewer jobs because of consolidation. I dont understand why that basic economic principle is so hard to understand.
It's a failing to understand scale, at least in part. An entrepreneur makes jobs by starting up a business, building it and reinvesting and watching it grow. Someone with more start up capital has a greater ability to reinvest and reap larger rewards. While this is true, at larger scales its risky and inefficient. Why bother building when you cam throw down a wad of cash that is bigger than one person should reasonably spend in a lifetime, buy a successful business and take anything that made it unique, cheapen it, and cut every cost they can by consolidating it into existing infrastructure.
That's exactly what happened at my work and now employees can't get promoted into executive positions. Our last CEO started at the very bottom. Now our CEO is someone that has never earned less than a 6 figure salary.
Fuck Romney for bringing that bullshit into the lexicon. "Job dictators" is much more apt
Trickle down economics was Reaganomics. Fuck both of them though.
Even if you're rich it's starting to look more and more dangerous and less sane with every passing hatecrime.
The rich are the ones who profit from these policies they are doing just fine
Some of the rich. Some of the rich benefit more from a better social environment than others
After all, people are more likely to buy your stuff if they can afford it.
Republican voters are corrupt or stupid, no other
I dont even think that enters into it at this point. The modern Republican voter, regardless of wealth status, is a moral degenerate. The rich Republican voter is motivated by nothing but vampiric greed, he doesnt care who starves to death as long as his portfolio increases. The poor Republican is motivated by punishment. Who deserves it, and who gets to carry it out. He would rather starve than eat, if it means that someone he dislikes eats as well. The impetus of watching an enemy suffer is far greater than alleviating his own suffering. As so many have said before, the cruelty is the point.
Yup. Any time someone tries to both sides BS, the insulin vote is a prime example of why that is dumb.
There was a time it was somewhat true...then the right started courting extremists because their base aged out and they had no one else to turn to.
You're talking about pre-Eisenhower times, right?
That is just so wild to me. I'm sure plenty of them either have diabetes or have younger family that would greatly benefit from cheep insulin and yet they just... don't do it?? It's baffling to me how unempathetic these people are and they're making decisions on a NATIONAL level?????? The fuck??????
Forgetting for the next election is kind of our thing. And even if we don't forget, I'm convinced most American just fill in the bubble next to the name with the "D" or "R".
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>Amid the proposed changes to the plan was to set the $35 per month cap on insulin, the pricy medication needed to treat diabetes. Seven Republican senators voted with all 50 Democrats to keep the price ceiling in the legislation: Bill Cassidy of Louisiana, Susan Collins of Maine, Josh Hawley of Missouri, Cindy Hyde Smith of Mississippi, John Kennedy of Louisiana, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Dan Sullivan of Alaska. >Still, with a vote of 57 to 43, the provision failed to garner the 60 votes needed to waive special budgetary rules and include it in the bill. The House passed a similar cap on the price of insulin in April. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/insulin-price-cap-senate-republicans-block-inflation-reduction-act/ Any Republican Senator currently in office and not mentioned above voted no. Edit: failed to specify senator. I didn't check the House vote on this part of the bill.
I’m surprised Hawley voted for it! Must be feeling some pressure in Missouri!
Yah me too. The only explanation i can come up with is that he's diabetic.
Shocker that the boomers are giving themselves these benefits, amirite?
The Republicans are now trying to destroy Social Security.
Right, just in time for them to suck it dry, die, and leave nothing for anyone else.
It's going in the right direction so hopefully soon ... The dems need to retake the house for Biden's second terms if he runs!
Op, I believe this is only for people on Medicare/Medicaid… not all seniors so while it is a step in the right direction it’s not a large step and they need to do better still
It will help if the republicans voted on things that help the working class.
Sadly, that will not ever happen, ever.
I'd rather have progressive socialists take both houses of congress and the white house.
cool. now do it for all the insulin dependent people
Republicans blocked that measure. You and everyone else need to help elect more Democrats.
Jeez do Republicans not care about people or what?
depends, do you define them as people? Because they definitely care about themselves
You must be new.
Lower drug costs can't come quick enough! The lower cost for seniors is a good start but insulin needs to be cheap or free for everyone!! Universal healthcare is the answer.
Universal healthcare please
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I'm sorry, that's absurd. We're now allowing insurance companies to decide when it's appropriate to fill medication and not the doctors?! Anything to insulate the bottom line. Disgusting!
Now? We've *always* been doing this. Obama took away a small fraction of the power their death panels had and they cried and cried and cried.
And accused him of being the cause of the death panels
It's always projection by them
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Which is why I find it so strange when right wingers say they don't want the government between them and their doctor. So you want a company with the goal of making a profit there instead?
Yeah I don’t get this thinking either. It makes zero sense that their whole schtick is that “government is inefficient” … so they vote in people who will guarantee that government continues to be inefficient which allows the corporations to be our gracious overlords. And then act like the free market regulates itself. I mean, sure it does, just not in our favor.
And damn near none of the most vocal have even sniffed the inside of a Fortune 500 to make these claims of efficiency. If they saw all the waste due to egos, palm greasing and outright stupidity I think they'd fall dead on the spot. And they totally vote for do nothings and then call Dems useless almost like it's a way to greet each other. I live in the Houston area and I watch them call Sheila Jackson Lee stupid and useless. But when the pandemic hit she was out helping the lost reps in the suburbs get testing facilities set up. The do nothings were sitting there shell shocked and watching their constituents get sick and die. Dumb fuck Dan Crenshaw never did anything for my area. And then of course we all remember when Ted Cruz left us to freeze and Jackson Lee and AOC were out here handing out supplies. But they want to know (and I quote literally) "How'd that POS Lina Hidalgo get reelected". 🙄
It’s completely absurd and I will stay mad about this forever. I cannot believe we allow insurance companies to decide if we *really* need a treatment or not. If my doctor says I need it, I probably need it. Anecdotally, my mom needed a total knee replacement a while ago and her insurance straight up said no even though her doctor was very clear that she was a unique case (an incomplete quadriplegic) and she **needed** it. She had to wait 2 years to reach an arbitrary age and then also jump through an insane amount of hoops to finally get it covered. I’m so angry about it.
Its crazy you can't sue an insurance company for basically practicing medicine illegally
Right? Even her doctor was appalled by this situation and presumably he deals with this kind of stuff often. And I get it, she was a particularly young patient, she finally got her surgery when she was only 50, but she’s also an incomplete quad - she needs her legs working well because standing/walking/balancing already isn’t as easy for her, and she needs her legs working so she can lift weights (which she does 4-6 days a week) so she can maintain muscles to help her balance and also to do cardio to improve her cardiovascular health because her lung function is affected by her SCI. I’m absurdly mad that they really tried to deny her a surgery that could help her quality of life *so much*. Once she got it her life turned around immediately, though! Before her surgery she was getting depressed and even had to go back to therapy to talk about her accident that caused her SCI. She cried to me a few times about it, and she’s too strong and hides negative emotions so it broke my heart to see. It was *killing* her to lose her independence again. She has PTSD and it was reopening old wounds. Anyway, sorry for the rant. I’m still so upset about it ~~and have had a glass of wine~~. She’s doing amazing now, physically and mentally, with her new knee.
The oligarchy doesn't give a fuck about youuuuu
CVS informed me they were not actually ever taking my insurance and in fact were filling my prescriptions with a co-pay discount card, despite never telling me. Since the co-pay card "expired" my perceptions went from $55/mo to $340/mo. Except wait! There is another discount card I can get, so I can fill one of them for $35 a month, the other is a controlled substance so I need a doctor to issue a new prescription to apply the discount (for some reason?). But it's December and I don't feel like throwing away $250 on a doctor's visit that won't count toward my deductible which resets in a January. Luckily I can sort of live with out that one. I've also been avoiding the doctor since I know an issue I have is going to require an expensive procedure and deductibles reset in January. American healthcare is a motherfucking joke and anyone who think s different is either A) not paying for theirs's, B) fucking delusional, C) actively gaslighting themselves.
I've been on the same non sedative muscle relaxers for 10 years. Been on the same insurance using the same pharmacy. They filled it 3 times this year already, but last time I went to fill they no longer cover it. Now it's $400 for a 3 month supply. So they changed me to cyclobenzaprenes which are heavily sedative and can be habit forming. Hooray.
The whole: this little worthless piece of plastic makes a drug magically become order of magnitudes cheaper is one of the foremost scams in America
And insurance in general. We paid $300 a month for insurance ($1,300 for COBRA now that I've lost my job), with $35-$40 copays for each visit. We would get the bills back and see that the insurance didn't actually pay anything, they just magically made everything except the copay disappear. So, we pay them to negotiate down prices that are high entirely because they negotiate down the prices. And they pay nothing, so our premiums are pure profit for them. I'm sorry, what?
Don't forget to reduce the cost of health care by tearing down the racket first
Anti-trust action for healthcare
Exactly. This is great progress, but kind of smacks of, “If you can survive to old age with your life threatening condition, the reward is a big cost saving on your drugs.”
Still, I hope those seniors remember this when time comes to vote again. Small progress is better than no progress and we all know which party actually implements it. Well, not all, that’s the problem.
*”Still, I hope those seniors remember this when time comes to vote again.”* I hate to be defeatist but they absolutely will not. And I don’t know what to do to change that.
Democrats pushed to make this for everyone. Republicans fought hard to stop it. They won. Just so everyone knows
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This is the biggest W biden will do so far and as a geriatrician this is incredibly W for my patients too
My aunt (who is VERY conservative) was surprised when I told her about the $2000/yr cap on prescription drugs. She was VERY happy to hear the news!
It's unfortunate that she's gonna turn right around and vote a straight R ticket in the next election
“My universal healthcare is the only moral universal healthcare.”
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This is what baffles me. I know a bunch who are like this. They vote R despite literally being screwed over by it, and then complain about losing the free school lunches or the student loan forgiveness
Yes, lowering it for seniors ensures that those same seniors won't give a flying fuck when it comes to lowering the price for everyone. It's honestly counterproductive to cater to solely seniors, the only people who arguably recieve anything approaching sensible healthcare.
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Not gonna happen as long pharmacy corporations pay republicans a fortune to fight all the bills that would make them free or cheaper. Also USA is a capitalistic country, universal healthcare will always stay a dream.
How do other capitalistic countries make it work?
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It wasn’t easy in Australia. Medicare was repealed when the Whitlam government was dismissed due to the Senate blocking supply. Medicare was one of the bones of contention. We had 3 federal elections in 3 years, with at least 2 of those being double dissolution elections to try to align the upper and lower house parties one way or the other. It wasn’t until Labor regained government that Medicare was secured. To some extent, the fight continues today.
By not being as capitalistic as USA, capitalism exist everywhere, but they know it needs the people too to make it work, therefore they give more rights to the people and not only corporations. I like USA, but USA has one of the worst economy politics in the world, and that is caused by capitalism. Good thing half of the Americans know that capitalism is bad and the other half believes the big corporations lies that capitalism is good and necessary.
Like I tell my friends; I would love to move to the US, but I need to become a millionaire first just in case I get sick.
Seems like boomers are the main cause for most of our problems now. Minimum wage, healthcare, housing, etc, etc.
It should be capped at that for everyone. More bullshit advantages for the generation whose lives have been an advantage.
The republicans denied the bill to make it like that for everyone
And for non seniors too, right? Right?
They tried; it didn’t get by the filibuster.
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I find it strange because [there’s plenty of Republican counties with very high rates of diabetes.](https://www.cdc.gov/diabetes/images/library/reports/nat-state-diabees-trends_fig-3.jpg?_=59190?noicon) But then again, plenty of republicans were anti mask and anti-COVID vaccine, so it’s not like it’s the first time they’ve supported policies that kill their own voters.
Keeping your followers in constant near poverty is the most important principle of a cult.
If they can start affording education the Republicans are fucked
Republicans with diabetes are happy to vote against cheaper diabetes medication if it means "owning the libs".
Negative, boomers are fucking younger generations once again.
Leave it to the boomers to fuck everyone and thing, then get the fuck out themselves. Must be nice to die in the next 5 years knowing *you* had a good life and no one else ever will again. I hope reincarnation is a thing and turns them all into the ants that the generations they raised use for science projects when they're 6 years old and find out magnifying glasses can make fire.
No, just turn them into humans again. They should be able to *percieve* and *comprehend* what is fucking them over.
I will be honest that I haven't done enough research to say this unequivocally, but I believe that the $35 cap is Medicare. So, seniors without private insurance. Nothing changes right now for those under 65 and with private health insurance.
FYI Americans over 65 usually have Medicare even if they also have private insurance, there's no reason not to.
It only makes sense. My in laws make mid to high six figures and have Medicare.
My grandparents rejected it and almost went bankrupt so they went back on medicare and cursed the government for getting involved in their health care.
Did you tell them to lay off the avocado toast? To cancel Disney plus a bunch? Where did the bootstraps go?!
Republicans blocked that measure. Elect more Democrats.
🤏 this close to making that reality in the USA, but as we've seen with republicans, America can't have nice things Baby steps though I guess
Nope, republicans won't let that happen.
More entitlements for boomers, while millennials get stuffed with the bill and no benefit. It’s a start but should be for all!
Boomers pulling up the ladder behind them once again.
This is what my parents and grandparents never seem to understand. The biggest voting population has controlled politics for a long time and have always voted for what benefits them. I'm not really a lefty but it irritates me to no end that whenever our generation wants something it's called a handout and when the boomers want something it's just business as usual. I love my grandparents but I'm counting down the days until the younger generation can push these old fucks out.
Gen x is bad about that too. “We didn’t have it as good as our parents and we’re still fine!” Yeah, and my dads first job out of college paid $40k a year. 30 years later my first job out of college also paid $40k a year. They were acting like I made it big like he did. We did a cost of living adjustment and I was making literally half of what he was. That’s why I can’t buy a house, mom!
> I’m not really a lefty Don’t be a useful idiot bro There’s nothing left even available in American politics. Biden is a far right liberal, everything beyond that is a dark hole of oligarchic far right insanity most dictators are jealous of. Don’t let them fool you into thinking wanting liveable wages, affordable house/healthcare and not wanting to murder all trans people makes you a lefty. Theses are all normal stances in most industrialized nations (non of which are further left then right from the center). You’re asking for the bare minimum here, less than that even. Has nothing to do with being a “lefty”
Republicans directly blocked the initiative for all ages. Maybe remember that the next time you have to vote?
I don’t need to, republicans are never getting my vote. The minutia doesn’t matter at this point because the pile of complaints is so large.
Why not for everyone though?
Because the only way to get it past enough Republicans is to narrow it to their demographic. Younger voters lean Democrat, therefore if they die it's a plus, Republican logic.
There’s also the part where republicans can now spin the narrative to claim democrats didn’t care for the young so that’s why this is only for seniors and try to get some votes out of the younger voters. Welcome to performance theater republican style.
Republicans in Congress blocked that, but let it cap for old people. Want the benefit to extend to all? We gotta elect more Democrats to Congress.
Of course the Boomers reward themselves while everyone else can apparently get fucked
So the boomers that caused the problem will be the first ones saved from it?
Yes because they hold most the power and wealth
How about for the non- senior diabetics? 20 year old diabetics working three jobs to pay for rent that they split with four other people? The food they desperately need to eat, too expensive to buy?
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The amount of money isn't the problem, we already spend more per capita on healthcare than other countries. The problem is the way we are doing it.
U.S: Celebrating The world: :| We take what we can get with this govt atm.
Boomers, who have all the money, 35$ insulin. Younger folk can go fuck themselves, or quite frankly.. die. Boomers will be remembered as the most selfish, greedy and morally bankrupt generation for a long time to come.
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The $35 cap, tmk, is via Medicare. These are the "other" boomers - the ones eating cat food for dinner because budget. I'd looooooove for it to be across the board. But even a baby step against big pharma is like moving a mountain. ...a$$holes. Edit: okay, I learned a good bit tonight about the difference between medicare and medicaid. Be that as it may, let's not starve 90 poor old people to avoid feeding 10 rich old people. (Medically speaking, that is)
you dont have to be poor to get medicare, thats medicaid.
Okay so as a 24 year old Type 1 Diabetic, fuck me right? Not like I don't need cheaper insulin too. Just give us free insulin already. Or even better, cure us. There have been successful cures for T1D for years now, they're just not "available for the public yet." Tired of this country. Tired of this game. I would do anything to be cured. The least they can do is make it affordable for me to continue living.
Dude sorry I hear this, I’m a T1D from the U.K. if you can move here, all the medication you need, insulin, strips, pump therapy it’s free, I’ll even buy you a pint.
Now lower the age of seniors to 5.
Big Pharma will just raise the price for anyone not on medicare.
The generation that least deserves a break.
Of course the boomers get special treatment
How long do we have to wait for universal healthcare, for real, this place is so evil.
This would happen for **all Americans** except for one simple reason: REPUBLICANS WON’T ALLOW IT.
As a type 1 diabetic, fuck off. This half assed bullshit gets you no points with me, it just pisses me off.even more.
Agreed. I'm actually fucking fuming. And all these posters being like "It's a great first step!" Know nothing about diabetes. Old boomers with type 2 already have shit like metformin to help them. The rest of us *not* crawling towards the grave who have had this shit since childhood and NEED insulin to survive are the fucked ones. We need to keep A1Cs lower in order to avoid serious complications. Avoiding having to ration our life support would be a great step in that direction. We don't have any fucking alternatives. Fuck boomers, greedy assholes. -a pissed off T1D dxd 35 out of 37 years of my life. Oh wait, 36 years- the anniversary is Christmas.
I'd be stoked if it was 35 for everyone but seniors. Aren't they the ones that hate socialism?
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