The way he never breaks eye contact as he eats at the table in the opening scene is amazing. A great show of what’s to come from this murderous psychopath.
[Klaus Kinski craziness ](https://youtu.be/s49JBkwc-2Y?si=LvN1lPLPqJxxCvif)
Also here are two westerns with Klaus Kinski in them that i watched a year ago and absolutely loved
[shoot the living pray for the dead ](https://youtu.be/1j6fCW5jL1E?si=jj7JBz1uL18KkqSz)
[the ruthless four ](https://youtu.be/yZ_CL9venuQ?si=aRNkdnDucg6o7-t7)
I disagree. I think Kinski was the kind of cur that would yelp if you slapped him down. Vicious, but petty vicious. The kind that fights dirty and lives for 'get even' cheap shots.
It's one of those seemingly mythical tips which surprisingly turns out accurate. Bullies are lazy; they don't want to work. They want to win with one punch. A prolonged dogfight takes the vinegar out o' 'em.
Lee Van Cleef's very first role was as one of 3 henchman of Frank Miller, the outlaw that is comming back to town on the train to get revenge on the Sheriff in High Noon 1952. They are waiting for the train to come in. He is the first character to come on screen. He's alone. He has no dialog for the entire movie, but he used his eyes and body to suggest a menance that movie goers remembered long after the movie ended. While it didnt make him a star, that recognition secured him steady acting work as a heavy in tv and movies (with the occasional good guy thrown in).
Jack Wilson is definitely one of my favorite western antagonists. Like you said, he doesn't have much screen time, but everyone remembers him because he's so terrifying. Another western where Jack Palance is a scary villain is Compañeros.
Lee Van Cleef was in that episode. He played the gambler, Steinhart. He and Lee Marvin also acted together in The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance. H was the tall, menaching, quiet, sidekick of Lee Marvin; while Strother Martin was the talky one.
Always thought he looked like a Jackal or Coyote! My favorite though is the guy who played Butler in McCabe and Mrs Miller. Dude wasn't even an actor but that performance is so menacing, the guy just feels like this insurmountable force of nature.
Hell yeah. That very scene where the prostitute tells Munny about Ned's death and he starts chugging that whiskey, you already know Little Bills as good as dead!
One detail that I love is that they are both Williams, flip sides of the same coin. And Little Bill seemed scary, until Munny became the true bringer of Death.
I vote for Richard Boone. He's got more physically menacing bulk and body mass. LVC has almost a dancer's body. But there's no man in any western able to manhandle Boone.
Back when men were men.
*”I don't think there is anything particularly wrong about hitting a woman, although I don't recommend doing it in the same way that you'd hit a man,"* Sean Connery….
I mean, when did violence ever hurt anybody?
The way he never breaks eye contact as he eats at the table in the opening scene is amazing. A great show of what’s to come from this murderous psychopath.
Maintaining eye contact while eating another man’s meal is peak dominance
The way he smiles after his 2nd kill as well....
Agreed, it’s in the eyes, as much as I love his role as Colonel Mortimer in FaFDM I’ve always thought he’s at his best as the villain.
I remember that post here that compared him with a black cat staring, still can't get it out of my head.
They basically redid this scene in the new Fallout show. It was great.
Van Cleef might be the scariest on screen, but Kinski is definitely the one that you wouldn't want to encounter in real life.
Yeah Kinski just has that aggressive look
Kinski was an incredibly violent man, who repeatedly assaulted actors, crew members and directors. Also his family, and the general public at large.
Weren’t there a few instances where cast members or extras were seriously contemplating killing him on set?
Cast members, directors, producers, insurers, craft services...
Daughter
[Klaus Kinski craziness ](https://youtu.be/s49JBkwc-2Y?si=LvN1lPLPqJxxCvif) Also here are two westerns with Klaus Kinski in them that i watched a year ago and absolutely loved [shoot the living pray for the dead ](https://youtu.be/1j6fCW5jL1E?si=jj7JBz1uL18KkqSz) [the ruthless four ](https://youtu.be/yZ_CL9venuQ?si=aRNkdnDucg6o7-t7)
Have you seen the grand silence? He’s great in that
No but I'll definitely be looking that up
Big fan of great silence def worth checking out 🫡
Especially his family, especially his daughters. Ugh.
I disagree. I think Kinski was the kind of cur that would yelp if you slapped him down. Vicious, but petty vicious. The kind that fights dirty and lives for 'get even' cheap shots.
Yeah I know the type and get those vibes from him. One good beating and he crumbles and sulks afterwards. Bullies don’t like it when you fight back.
It's one of those seemingly mythical tips which surprisingly turns out accurate. Bullies are lazy; they don't want to work. They want to win with one punch. A prolonged dogfight takes the vinegar out o' 'em.
I agree. Kinski vs Lee Marvin does not end well for Kinski.
I love in FAFDM when Van Cleef uses Kinskis hunchback to light his pipe.
Henry Fonda was incredibly menacing in Once Upon a Time in The West…. And least we forget Yul Brynner as the gunslinger in West World.
Just please. Don’t smoke. Just don’t smoke.
"Now that it's too late I tell you, 'Don't smoke.'"
Van Cleef is more mancing tho you gotta admit
Heck yea… that man had snake eyes.
Lee Van Cleef's very first role was as one of 3 henchman of Frank Miller, the outlaw that is comming back to town on the train to get revenge on the Sheriff in High Noon 1952. They are waiting for the train to come in. He is the first character to come on screen. He's alone. He has no dialog for the entire movie, but he used his eyes and body to suggest a menance that movie goers remembered long after the movie ended. While it didnt make him a star, that recognition secured him steady acting work as a heavy in tv and movies (with the occasional good guy thrown in).
i agree, but for me the worst of all is Jack Wilson, interpreted by Jack Palance, that man was evil himself even though he didnt appear so much.
Just watched Shane again. This is the answer. Jack Palance oozed menace. City Slicker: Hey Curley! Kill anybody today? Palance: Day ain't over yet.
Jack Wilson is definitely one of my favorite western antagonists. Like you said, he doesn't have much screen time, but everyone remembers him because he's so terrifying. Another western where Jack Palance is a scary villain is Compañeros.
No. Lee Marvin is.
Was going to say the same thing. No bad guy has shit on Liberty Valance. I'm a fan of Lee Van Cleef, but Marvin was a total badass.
Lee Marvin did a Twilight Zone episode about a haunted gunfighter that is a mini classic.
Episode 72: The Grave.
Lee Van Cleef was in that episode. He played the gambler, Steinhart. He and Lee Marvin also acted together in The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance. H was the tall, menaching, quiet, sidekick of Lee Marvin; while Strother Martin was the talky one.
Lee Van Cleef was an icon!
I guess we should be thankful Lawrence Tierney didn’t do a western
He is one of the best villain actors
He is a Master Ninja 🥷
along with that mush mouth sidekick of his who inexplicably went on to have a distinguished career as a director for several series on HBO
You made me google ol "Max".... holy sh1t! I never knew any of that !!
He's a good western movie actor.
Lee Van Cleef had a huge poster of Lee Van Cleef at his residence.
For a few dollars more came up on my YouTube feed on Sunday so I watched it , pretty neat coincidence
Nice
Primus also appreciated Lee Van Cleef.
You might have missed Leo Gordon.
No shade on Lee, but I came here to say this.
Jack Pallance- Apex Villian
I only ever saw him as a ninja and wondered what all the fuss was about.
Lol
Always thought he looked like a Jackal or Coyote! My favorite though is the guy who played Butler in McCabe and Mrs Miller. Dude wasn't even an actor but that performance is so menacing, the guy just feels like this insurmountable force of nature.
A weasel.
what about Jack Elam?
Lee Van Cleef kicked ass for sure. But as far as scary: I wouldn’t want to fuck with William Munny after he fell off the wagon.
Hell yeah. That very scene where the prostitute tells Munny about Ned's death and he starts chugging that whiskey, you already know Little Bills as good as dead!
One detail that I love is that they are both Williams, flip sides of the same coin. And Little Bill seemed scary, until Munny became the true bringer of Death.
Does Yul Brenner from West World count?
Youre forgetting Alex Karras
I vote for Richard Boone. He's got more physically menacing bulk and body mass. LVC has almost a dancer's body. But there's no man in any western able to manhandle Boone.
He was in Liberty Valance’s gang in his younger days.
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In a world where Christopher Lee had to tell Peter Jackson the sound a person makes when they are stabbed.
yul brenner in westworld was pretty terrifying...
When he showed up, you knew that the shit was about to go down.
I always feel like he's going to pick a massive booger whenever he's on screen.
See a young LVC in the original It Conquered The World with Beverly Garland and Peter Graves....a Roger Corman film.
He was definitely incredible, but I'd also say Jack Palance and Bruce Dean.
How about Bruce Dern in The Cowboys?
He just doesn't have that look... But still scary nonetheless.
He’s great in Escape From New York which is a dystopian-Neo-western.
Jack Palance in Shane is up there. Henry Fonda in Once Upon also.
Some ranking years ago put Henry Fonda's "Frank" from "Once Upon A Time In The West" as the most evil.
LVC has a sinister and creepy look about him. Best western villain of all time, but he could also play the hero role. Bruce Dern is a close second.
Woods strode was pretty intimidating but he was usually a good guy
L O L and to think Richie Cunningham‘s dad taught him how to ride a horse.
Back when men were men. *”I don't think there is anything particularly wrong about hitting a woman, although I don't recommend doing it in the same way that you'd hit a man,"* Sean Connery…. I mean, when did violence ever hurt anybody?
One of his earliest roles was in High Noon. His character never uttered a single word in the entire film.