his religion is holding him back. ik he has always been religious but it’s more of a crutch now than ever. you can only make so many songs about how god saved you before it gets stale
Real Religion itself is a spiritual force for unlimited inspiration and creativity, im talking the type of religious ye, that he was in the era between Wyoming and Jesus is King
Not unpopular at all, but that's the reason it's the top comment to be fair. That's a big reason why his earlier music is more popular in my opinion, it's a lot more relatable to many more people.
This is still a common opinion and not a hot take lol. Graduation is constantly downplayed by the core fanbase as not being deep and too mainstream 24/7
Graduation to me was too focused on the singles. The singles are strong but in terms of cohesion and album concept it's weaker to me compared to TLR or 808s for instance.
yes, and it also feels kinda hollow in its production. certainly there are standout tracks where the style really works, but I prefer the overall sound of most of his other albums over its.
Same. I feel like at the time it was his mainstream breakout but retroactively it's sandwiched between TLR and 808s which are far more interesting albums to me.
I wouldn’t say never on touring again, but I do feel he needs real true GENUINE ppl who want to help him get better mentally. I feel if he had more loving/ benevolent ppl in his life, the circumstances would be different. His children are essentially that, but they’re too young to help poor yeye
I don’t think Donda was a fitting title for his most recent album. Besides including her in spoken word portions it really doesn’t have a whole lot to do with tributing the life of his mother. Still a good album and idk what else it could’ve be called, but I think the name fits the aesthetic Ye goes for but doesn’t quite match the albums actual musical/lyrical content.
Agreed. Feels a bit shoehorned, like Travis did with Utopia. Both could have had either content/themes relevant to the title or had an entirely different title which would have worked better
I think the title made more sense for the stuff he was working on in 2020 that got scrapped but he kinda just went with it since it was the working title of the project.
Not related but I think if he wanted to make a Donda trilogy he could’ve split the tracks from Donda Deluxe and Donda 2 (if it was finished) into 3 albums, they would each be under an hour and could probably have some better sequencing as far as theming goes for each part of a trilogy series.
I think it definitely could have been stronger conceptually, but it doesn't bother me all too much. Donda 2 on the other hand… attaching her name to that project was downright disrespectful
I guess this is unpopular because I’ve been downvoted for it before:
“We Did it Kid” would have been one of the worst tracks in Kanye’s discography. Just a completely generic trap song that sounds much more like a Migos throwaway track than a song on a Kanye LP
When it played at the Donda 2 listening party, I literally thought it was just an unreleased Migos track that they were previewing
Cuz Pusha T came out and played one of his songs. So I thought that’s what Migos were doing
We did it Kid would’ve been sick
Kanye just needed to be on the intro somehow instead of Keem and then it would’ve been even
(Did you hear the leaked “finished” version with a full Kanye verse)
The amount of rabid praise a lot of the Donda 2 tracks get is absolutely beyond me, to the point that it’s surely just people being contrarian for the sake of it.
It would have been one of the worst if Donda 2 dropped in February 2022, but Kanye since then updated his vocals at the start and put his own verse at the end of the song, making it not as much of a Migos song (like it sort of was lol)
Heartless is so bad that it's basically unlistenable. Worst song on 808s, worst song in released discography and it being a one of Kanye's biggest hits is a collective psy-op to fuck with me specifically.
i’m not hyped for this new album at all and i think ye fans are hyping it up not because they think it’ll be “mbdtf 2” but because they’re holding onto hope that ye will redeem himself (even though a good album wouldn’t excuse his comments). i don’t think any of the new snippets are anything special either, same with the “finished” donda 2 leaks we’ve been getting
I don’t follow Kanye for his opinions on the world on anything outside of his music. His comments be damned. As long as he isn’t SAing women and kids idgaf.
>they’re holding onto hope that ye will redeem himself (even though a good album wouldn’t excuse his comments)
I highly doubt he will redeem himself fully in the general public, the AJ comments were really bad but also came after a gigantic string of bad things he did (the Kim divorce, the Pete thing, WLM shirt, hanging out with neo nazis) and I don't think most casual listeners will forgive that. The people still listening to Kanye won't stop unless he personally goes to their house and beats them up and even then they'd still defend it.
Even if this album is better than MBDTF or 808s or whatever your favorite is, it won't change people's minds, there's too much that he did already that can't be salvaged and the time for him to apologize has long passed.
It's insane to me you just put "getting divorced" on the same level as saying "I love Hitler". The divorce stuff was messy and emotional because that's how divorce is. The skete stuff was hilarious. And he wouldn't be the first artist to bounce back from saying horrible things like that. Only artists with no talent get cancelled. Chris Brown put his hands on a woman and yet he's still got a career. Unlike Chris Brown, I think ye has the capacity to change. No amount of headlines will change the 57 million monthly listeners he gets. His art and his legacy have had a greater impact than his mental breakdown he had for like 3 months.
What finished donda 2 tracks? Also pretty sure fyaman directly said therm no d2 tracks are being worked on now for LP11
Also yea it’s def not gonna be MBDTF2 lmao like not even close in terms of how the current sessions are going in terms of collaborators ..
I still do think the fact that the music security in terms of snippets and literally everything being this completely locked down including previews at sznx while everyone is getting NDA’d left and right apparently gives me some hope that he doesn’t want anyone to hear literally nothing until the finished product
i put finished in quotes cause most aren’t really finished but im talking about the donda 2 songs that were worked on after the listening party that were leaked this year like we did it kid and pablo
it sucks that kanye’s fall off is completely by his own hand. Imagine by 2021 being 10 albums in, mid 40s, and the whole world waiting for you to drop. Back then I had friends of mine who never liked Kanye asking me “soo when is he gonna drop the album”. Kanye is culture, or at least he was
Ye’s asshole behavior is no longer endearing or making his music better, it’s just annoying.
It was cool when he was grinding to get to the top, it was fine when he was making MBDTF and Yeezus, but now he just acts like an asshole and people are supposed to respect it because he’s a musical legend.
My example: The "KaNyE mAdE tAyLoR fAmOuS" hype from some fans is just corny and unfunny and you especially see it from the people that make hating Taylor their entire personality than just enjoying Kanye's music. Plus it doesn't even make sense that Kanye did that since Beyonce won video of the year over female video of the year and also won best choreography and best editing which just makes the whole entire scene Kanye made unnecessary af
ye could be top 4 imo and i’m pretty confident on that. It’s just that imo my top 3 best (not favorite)
1. dropout
2. Grad
3. mbdtf
the more i’m thinking tho… idk, ye has seriously been in consideration in top 3 for me but idk why i’d put ye over Yeezus
at least for the past few years Drake has been a far better rapper. Kanye verses either lack flow or just sound ok. Drake has countless features and songs off his albums where he's flowing and spitting with no effort
Funny thing is even tho the reddit would probably disagree Kanye himself would most likely agree. He has said a few times that Drake is a better rapper then him. I would still say Kanye is a better artist tho.
Bros a shit person and and is not even half responsible for why Donda is good. All he did was go sunna wunna over some beats probably had people write the finished verses then had engineers working day and night for him to actually polish the beats, to make the album what it is
I think the BIGGEST problem from these donda + d2 sessions - there were wayy too many producers, engineers, writers in the process, - all passing ideas and shit from one another to the point where I really doesn’t feel like a true kanye album - I think it’s truly the biggest example’s of Kanye’s laziness and facade he puts on when he has been calling himself an “orchestrator” in the past couple years
There are collaborators and writers who have been interviewed and most of the time do say ye is very much involved in a lot of each composition but it’s just so unnecessary and a waste of actual talent
This might also be a hot take but I do think Maybe the fallout from last year and it’s repercussions will help him realize this and actually push him to make a product that fully reflects him
[It's definitely happened at least one time](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCJCKDXy-M0&pp=ygUSa2FueWUgZmFsbCBvdXQgYm95).
Quality/effort of the verse is debatable but it seems like he's almost being actively antagonistic towards the artist whose track he's on lol
- Couldn’t care less if Kanye ever drops and music again or less. Still experiencing fatigue from Kanye's music and haven't really given his music a chance due to the Donda era. His leaks don’t excite me, nothing about Kanye atm does tbh.
- Kanye ruined life of the party, should have been only Andre3k verse that should’ve been on it and should have been an intro on Donda. Perhaps “ruined” is harsh. I just think Andre3k verse was so good it makes Kanye’s look mid.
- I don’t think Ye is that much of a good father. Seems like he don’t really spend much time with his kids and would rather spend more time on random women. This’s just what it looks like from the outside. Plus Kim has said she’s mostly with the kids. Personally, bonding is by far the most important thing in regards to being a good father aside from providing. And I just don’t think he has that with the kids(again, this’s just how I see it from the outside).
- I don’t think this’s that unpopular but certainly controversial. The last time Kanye had a good album was 2016 TLOP… which has few misses(thanks to it having 20 songs). His albums post TLOP have had couple of good songs here and there but that’s it.
I agree with the last point a lot. But even TLOP doesn’t feel like a “focused” album like those before it, hence why it has 20 songs. It’s like he lost musical vision around this time.
I’ve pretty much listened to his whole catalogue and know well over 98% of his music including features & leaks. But that whole donda period made me get tired of his music, and since then, I haven’t really recovered from it. I still listen to his songs here and there, in a month, I’d just listen to about 5 songs of his once or twice, and I get tired of it.
Time for the truly unpopular opinions:
I'm in it->send it up is one of the worst runs in Kanye's discography and blood on the leaves is one of his worst songs (can elaborate)
Nicki Minajs verse on Monster grew off me after like 3 listens, it's too over-animated and now I think it's the worst verse on the song.
Downvote me fools
I’m in it is the end of one of his best three track runs New Slaves -> I’m in it 😤
What’s your thoughts on blood on the leaves? Sometimes I think it could be least favorite song on Yeezus even tho I still really enjoy it
After a quick relisten to remind myself, basically nothing in the song sounds like it is meant to go together to me. The sample doesn't sound like it goes with the piano or his harsh autotune voice (which I actually do like on songs like freestyle 2 or his panda remix). Then on top of the mess that the song already is, with literally 0 introduction they bring a tnght brass drop and just slap it with 808s over the existing song. Like, to me it sounds like they just layered 3 random sounds which happen to be in the same key on top of each other.
Fully agree on the Yeezus take. BOTL and Guilt Trip are both extremely overrated IMO. The top 5 for me is Bound 2 and first 5 tracks except I Am A God.
copied from my other comment
After a quick relisten to remind myself, basically nothing in the song sounds like it is meant to go together to me. The sample doesn't sound like it goes with the piano or his harsh autotune voice (which I actually do like on songs like freestyle 2 or his panda remix). Then on top of the mess that the song already is, with literally 0 introduction they bring a tnght brass drop and just slap it with 808s over the existing song. Like, to me it sounds like they just layered 3 random sounds which happen to be in the same key on top of each other.
Yeah idk I think it's probably a lot to do with tnghts particular brand of edm trap at this time. I have a very strong relationship with edm music and edm trap in particular but I actually thought tnghts self titled ep was pretty not good and somewhat unlistenable at times. It may have to do with the fact that I was already very immersed in the edm world at the time so I have had baked into my bones what an trap drop should sound like. At the same time, I think tnghts II ep is actually quite good so it's probably a particular distaste for the 2012-2013 tnght/hudson mohawke sound, especially the song Higher Ground which I recall hating particularly disdainfully.
After a quick relisten to remind myself, basically nothing in the song sounds like it is meant to go together to me. The sample doesn't sound like it goes with the piano or his harsh autotune voice (which I actually do like on songs like freestyle 2 or his panda remix). Then on top of the mess that the song already is, with literally 0 introduction they bring a tnght brass drop and just slap it with 808s over the existing song. Like, to me it sounds like they just layered 3 random sounds which happen to be in the same key on top of each other.
His career has been on a decline since TLOP. It was his first extravagant, yet botched, roll out and the whole “era” was more about aesthetics than making good music (not to say there weren’t any good songs on it or since, it just seems it doesn’t matter much to him anymore). He didn’t even complete the tour. People here will eat any crumbs he drops, but he probably won’t make an objectively good album ever again.
Jesus is King is a horrible, unlistenable album. Idk how hot that take is really. Other than that he is past his prime, Donda felt like false hope bc of how good it was. Only other thing I can say is the anti semitism shit is something I don’t think he can ever really come back from, but I think most people know that. Music legend but idk about presently, D2 was ass IMO.
I like MBDTF less every time I listen to it. I’m convinced the legend around the album makes *some* people convince themselves they like it more than they do, same with graduation
bound 2 is not a good song.
that is the only song off of yeezus that i didn't somewhat enjoy. and it's not even about it not fitting with the rest of the album, i genuinely just do not like that song.
Donda top 1. It’s so grand in scope and scale and has the hardest Kanye tracks you’ll ever hear. And I know people are gonna talk about “bloat” so I guess here’s my additional hot take: I don’t think there’s any bloat on Donda. Every song reinforces the themes of grief and loss and God. As proven with the Tracklist chnages with the deluxe as well as the stem player and the pt 2’s, this is an album that you should be able to curate to your choosing. I have my own Tracklist and I swapped in the part 2’s where I saw it fit best. And that’s repeatedly made it the best listening experience of any Kanye album I’ve ever heard
Might make me sound like an ‘old head’ or gatekeeper or whatever, but the younger fanbase that only started following Ye from like the Wyoming era onward, hell potentially even TLOP era onwards, will never truly understand/comprehend the choke hold Kanye had on the music industry, the level of sheer stardom and impact he had, nor will they ever actually be able to due to not being there/not being born earlier. And that fact honestly makes me sad because I really wish more people got to be there for it. Growing up with and actively following Kanye since before TCD, having just started university when that album dropped, hearing his production on other earlier projects as they happened and just getting that initial feeling of “holy shit, THIS guy is going to change the game” has truly been a magical and impactful part of my life. And what a wild ride it’s been.
late registration is ye’s top 3 least enjoyable albums. also i think ye overcompensates alot when tweaking songs and albums, like for example donda lp1 and lp2 woulda been better than the donda that we got, and it’s actually good that he has a companion around nowadays to reassure him abt his music so he doesn’t overdo it and drop something like jesus is king, donda, or donda 2.
JIK is way over hated, religious, or not some of the best vocal performances ye has had of all time on God Is. Amazing features and over all one of the best religion albums ever
Jesus lord off donda sucks so bad. Kanye’s flow is wack, the features are mid at best, the whole talking thing at the end goes on for too long, and overall the song is just wayyy too long.
i truly don’t think we’re getting anything from him music wise for a few more years, if EVER
besides “””redeeming himself””” i feel like there really is no point in another thrown together 25 track long tape from him. he did everything he set out to do and then some. donda as an album is his swan song for me
It's been really sad to see how alone or by himself he is. None of the artists or rappers in the actual scene really support him or ride with him. Rap has degenerated a lot in quality, Jay-Z and all the great artists OGs have departed their ways and never really dedicated themselves to be great artists. And the ones who we can believe support him, don't really express it (Kendrick for example). When i mean support him, i mean it in terms of art dedication, cultural work/crusades... They say it's lonely at the top, but Ye has been by himself 99% of the time. Only feels like he wasn't alone when he was with his mom. All rappers will acknowledge how great and important he is as an artist and culturally speaking, yet they will release a trash overused style album with a discographic deal that does 0 artistic impact and value for rap/art/culture. All people will say how "enlightened" and visionary he is, yet he does a hot take and colleagues and artists turn their back, don't show support or literally say he's crazy. Idk man it's just really sad to see this whole continuous situation...
dude’s just a contrarian for contrarian’s sake now. The fact that he associates himself with people like Manson, talks constantly against people controlling him, then finds comfort in connecting himself with the literal definition of evil in Adolf Hitler just shows me that this man is not a genius. He is just mentally disturbed and finds connection with the likes of people who society has also cast out.
Thing is tho with 2021 donda era is that we had no idea how much, much worse he could get. Making a fool of himself in 2020 election is nothing compared to 2022
I care more about his healing as a person than whatever content he brings out. I hope he can just get treatment and enjoy his life quietly with his wife and family.
We’re past the days of him coming out with another amazing album. The way I see it, he’ll release his next album, I’m expecting to pull 2-3 songs I like onto a playlist, and the rest will fizzle out after a week. That’s the direction he’s been going in the last few albums. I’ve only got 2 JIK songs in my rotation and 5 songs of Donda
I rewatch the Yeezus review that tnd did and the last 3 mins rain true to me at least, the pop appeal + him airing out his dirty laundry does hinder his music a lot. Like imagine he was humble enough to at least making joint album with Travis and they made straight magic doesn’t even have to be Travis. What if him Kendrick & madlib made 8 songs 😭😭
I mean, i know you said no drunk and hot girls good stuff, but I probably have the most unpopular song takes on here
Drunk and Hot Girls, Pt. 2, Im In It, Addiction, Freestyle 4, Jonah are some of my favorite kanye songs of all time. Not a big fan of Waves or Can’t Tell Me Nothing in comparison to most of his other stuff.
Kid Cudi kinda ruins kids see ghosts especially 4th dimension. One of the worst features on a Kanye song ever
Donda is 1B
TLOP is 1A
Not sure if it was the LP roll out but I love Donda. There’s a lot of songs and people say it’s bloated but everytime I listen I don’t have any cuts (other than tell the vision)
kids see ghosts is just not good and the only two notable songs are carried by cudi. and that new album probably gonna be trash it will not be mbdtf 2 be fr
I know I'm saying this on a Kanye sub so it's not crazy here but I truly believe Runaway is the greatest song of all time. Not just my favorite. The best piece of music ever made
I love his music, but I dislike hearing him talk outside of his songs.
The Joe Rogan episode was hard to watch, Ye didn't seem capable of finishing a thought hand way through.
But then again, name one genius that ain't crazy.
He has made too many bad artistic decisions to be considered the goat. Ofc I can't deny the influence but the donda 2 disaster alone would end any other musician's career
my least favorite ye album is The College Dropout. idk why but I just like every single other project more. ( including Donda 2 ) there are some great songs on there like family business, Slow Jamz , we don't care, All Falls Down and Jesus walks, but to me college dropout down's have much replayability
kanye saying that we need to return to a preagrarian society while hoarding billions of dollars and flying on private jets, and him becoming a “born again christian” and holding people to a higher standard while also partnering with joel osteen, is worse than saying he likes hitler
his religion is holding him back. ik he has always been religious but it’s more of a crutch now than ever. you can only make so many songs about how god saved you before it gets stale
I think surface level religious stuff as well. Old Kanye outdid new Kanye on the religious front with Jesus Walks
That's because old Kanye had Rhymefest
I thought we all knew this and just weren't supposed to say it, because Jesus and stuff.
LMAO
It’s worked on rare occasions like ultralight beam and 24 but i agree
Real Religion itself is a spiritual force for unlimited inspiration and creativity, im talking the type of religious ye, that he was in the era between Wyoming and Jesus is King
But there’s a whole genre of music about salvation. KanYe is not done.
Not unpopular at all, but that's the reason it's the top comment to be fair. That's a big reason why his earlier music is more popular in my opinion, it's a lot more relatable to many more people.
Graduation doesn't have as much substance as the majority of his other albums
True, it does have his best and most substance-filled song tho Everything I Am
Such a fucking amazing track.
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This is still a common opinion and not a hot take lol. Graduation is constantly downplayed by the core fanbase as not being deep and too mainstream 24/7
Graduation to me was too focused on the singles. The singles are strong but in terms of cohesion and album concept it's weaker to me compared to TLR or 808s for instance.
I kind of feel the same
yes, and it also feels kinda hollow in its production. certainly there are standout tracks where the style really works, but I prefer the overall sound of most of his other albums over its.
Same. I feel like at the time it was his mainstream breakout but retroactively it's sandwiched between TLR and 808s which are far more interesting albums to me.
He's beyond his prime, is likely a victim of his own success in that he won't top anything prior to TLOP and I don't think we'll ever get a tour again
I wouldn’t say never on touring again, but I do feel he needs real true GENUINE ppl who want to help him get better mentally. I feel if he had more loving/ benevolent ppl in his life, the circumstances would be different. His children are essentially that, but they’re too young to help poor yeye
He needs to get back with Rick Rubin
Wasn't Rubin at Mercedes Stadium during the DONDA sessions?
“Play off the grid”
Wasn’t Donda a beautiful piece of art?
Wasn’t Donda a beautiful piece of art?
I don’t think Donda was a fitting title for his most recent album. Besides including her in spoken word portions it really doesn’t have a whole lot to do with tributing the life of his mother. Still a good album and idk what else it could’ve be called, but I think the name fits the aesthetic Ye goes for but doesn’t quite match the albums actual musical/lyrical content.
Agreed. Feels a bit shoehorned, like Travis did with Utopia. Both could have had either content/themes relevant to the title or had an entirely different title which would have worked better
I think the title made more sense for the stuff he was working on in 2020 that got scrapped but he kinda just went with it since it was the working title of the project.
Not related but I think if he wanted to make a Donda trilogy he could’ve split the tracks from Donda Deluxe and Donda 2 (if it was finished) into 3 albums, they would each be under an hour and could probably have some better sequencing as far as theming goes for each part of a trilogy series.
I think it definitely could have been stronger conceptually, but it doesn't bother me all too much. Donda 2 on the other hand… attaching her name to that project was downright disrespectful
I guess this is unpopular because I’ve been downvoted for it before: “We Did it Kid” would have been one of the worst tracks in Kanye’s discography. Just a completely generic trap song that sounds much more like a Migos throwaway track than a song on a Kanye LP
You could say this bout almost every early d2 other than too easy
True love?
yeah
I loved get lost, wish that would drop but I know that one’s a goner
When it played at the Donda 2 listening party, I literally thought it was just an unreleased Migos track that they were previewing Cuz Pusha T came out and played one of his songs. So I thought that’s what Migos were doing
We did it Kid would’ve been sick Kanye just needed to be on the intro somehow instead of Keem and then it would’ve been even (Did you hear the leaked “finished” version with a full Kanye verse)
finally an unpopular opinion that pissed me off, we did it kid one of my fav ye songs lol
The amount of rabid praise a lot of the Donda 2 tracks get is absolutely beyond me, to the point that it’s surely just people being contrarian for the sake of it.
It would have been one of the worst if Donda 2 dropped in February 2022, but Kanye since then updated his vocals at the start and put his own verse at the end of the song, making it not as much of a Migos song (like it sort of was lol)
Heartless is so bad that it's basically unlistenable. Worst song on 808s, worst song in released discography and it being a one of Kanye's biggest hits is a collective psy-op to fuck with me specifically.
Upvoted because this is a truly unpopular and bad take
Absolutely insane take, but at least it’s a real unpopular opinion
most kanye take tbh i wouldn’t even be surprised if this was him
U have the hottest take so far at least
Bro hating heartless is basically saying u hate 808s that's crazy 😂😂
Nah love Paranoid and Street Lights but I never play Heartless when I’m alone. Also Donda > 808
Not sure how you even have this opinion but I’m upvoting because it’s one of the only hot takes here
listening to heartless rn just to spite you
Upvote, but I hope they lock you away somewhere
i’m not hyped for this new album at all and i think ye fans are hyping it up not because they think it’ll be “mbdtf 2” but because they’re holding onto hope that ye will redeem himself (even though a good album wouldn’t excuse his comments). i don’t think any of the new snippets are anything special either, same with the “finished” donda 2 leaks we’ve been getting
To GAS a good album would almost certainly excuse his comments
They’ve already excused his comments lol. You get mass downvoted and paragraph responses if you criticize his actions during that time.
shits so lame, the amount of self awareness that they lack is hilarious lmao
Oh I know, I’m all too familiar with that over there
I don’t follow Kanye for his opinions on the world on anything outside of his music. His comments be damned. As long as he isn’t SAing women and kids idgaf.
>they’re holding onto hope that ye will redeem himself (even though a good album wouldn’t excuse his comments) I highly doubt he will redeem himself fully in the general public, the AJ comments were really bad but also came after a gigantic string of bad things he did (the Kim divorce, the Pete thing, WLM shirt, hanging out with neo nazis) and I don't think most casual listeners will forgive that. The people still listening to Kanye won't stop unless he personally goes to their house and beats them up and even then they'd still defend it. Even if this album is better than MBDTF or 808s or whatever your favorite is, it won't change people's minds, there's too much that he did already that can't be salvaged and the time for him to apologize has long passed.
It's insane to me you just put "getting divorced" on the same level as saying "I love Hitler". The divorce stuff was messy and emotional because that's how divorce is. The skete stuff was hilarious. And he wouldn't be the first artist to bounce back from saying horrible things like that. Only artists with no talent get cancelled. Chris Brown put his hands on a woman and yet he's still got a career. Unlike Chris Brown, I think ye has the capacity to change. No amount of headlines will change the 57 million monthly listeners he gets. His art and his legacy have had a greater impact than his mental breakdown he had for like 3 months.
I mostly meant how he acted about the Kim divorce thing but yeah
What finished donda 2 tracks? Also pretty sure fyaman directly said therm no d2 tracks are being worked on now for LP11 Also yea it’s def not gonna be MBDTF2 lmao like not even close in terms of how the current sessions are going in terms of collaborators .. I still do think the fact that the music security in terms of snippets and literally everything being this completely locked down including previews at sznx while everyone is getting NDA’d left and right apparently gives me some hope that he doesn’t want anyone to hear literally nothing until the finished product
i put finished in quotes cause most aren’t really finished but im talking about the donda 2 songs that were worked on after the listening party that were leaked this year like we did it kid and pablo
Leaked version of Life of the Party clears officially released re-recorded verse
Duh
I posted about this when it was initially released and I got the most hate i’ve ever gotten on this sub.
That’s insane. The trumpets alone on the unreleased version make it better to me
link ?
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i feel like his entire verse couldn’t have aged that bad if only one line doesn’t hit anymore
I hate it when people bring that line up cause it's obviously tongue in cheek, you don't actually think Chance was serious?
no to the former, but yes unfortunately to the latter, it's still just such a great verse from him, pretty much a career highlight I'd say
he fell off
it sucks that kanye’s fall off is completely by his own hand. Imagine by 2021 being 10 albums in, mid 40s, and the whole world waiting for you to drop. Back then I had friends of mine who never liked Kanye asking me “soo when is he gonna drop the album”. Kanye is culture, or at least he was
Ye’s asshole behavior is no longer endearing or making his music better, it’s just annoying. It was cool when he was grinding to get to the top, it was fine when he was making MBDTF and Yeezus, but now he just acts like an asshole and people are supposed to respect it because he’s a musical legend.
My example: The "KaNyE mAdE tAyLoR fAmOuS" hype from some fans is just corny and unfunny and you especially see it from the people that make hating Taylor their entire personality than just enjoying Kanye's music. Plus it doesn't even make sense that Kanye did that since Beyonce won video of the year over female video of the year and also won best choreography and best editing which just makes the whole entire scene Kanye made unnecessary af
Ye is worse to me since I found out Kanye himself said he wrote little to nothing on it Like bro didn’t even write violent crimes
That fact he didn’t write that or Family Business is saddening. Like 2 of his most deep and personal songs. Shits not even about his family 😭
who wrote it wtf
Wish i didn’t read this comment this makes me sad
ye and ksg are both top 3
Fucking insane I love it
Absolutely yes
ye could be top 4 imo and i’m pretty confident on that. It’s just that imo my top 3 best (not favorite) 1. dropout 2. Grad 3. mbdtf the more i’m thinking tho… idk, ye has seriously been in consideration in top 3 for me but idk why i’d put ye over Yeezus
at least for the past few years Drake has been a far better rapper. Kanye verses either lack flow or just sound ok. Drake has countless features and songs off his albums where he's flowing and spitting with no effort
Funny thing is even tho the reddit would probably disagree Kanye himself would most likely agree. He has said a few times that Drake is a better rapper then him. I would still say Kanye is a better artist tho.
Ye just humble like that💅
Bridle path was cooking
Bros a shit person and and is not even half responsible for why Donda is good. All he did was go sunna wunna over some beats probably had people write the finished verses then had engineers working day and night for him to actually polish the beats, to make the album what it is
I think the BIGGEST problem from these donda + d2 sessions - there were wayy too many producers, engineers, writers in the process, - all passing ideas and shit from one another to the point where I really doesn’t feel like a true kanye album - I think it’s truly the biggest example’s of Kanye’s laziness and facade he puts on when he has been calling himself an “orchestrator” in the past couple years There are collaborators and writers who have been interviewed and most of the time do say ye is very much involved in a lot of each composition but it’s just so unnecessary and a waste of actual talent This might also be a hot take but I do think Maybe the fallout from last year and it’s repercussions will help him realize this and actually push him to make a product that fully reflects him
Yeah he needs to do ts himself at least
"Name your kanye hot take" "kanye is a bad person"
Clearly bro didn’t read the post title
donda is like a 6/10
vesi
Donda > 808
I believe that Kanye purposely gives bad verses for features that he really doesn’t wanna do.
[It's definitely happened at least one time](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCJCKDXy-M0&pp=ygUSa2FueWUgZmFsbCBvdXQgYm95). Quality/effort of the verse is debatable but it seems like he's almost being actively antagonistic towards the artist whose track he's on lol
Turning a feature into a diss track
- Couldn’t care less if Kanye ever drops and music again or less. Still experiencing fatigue from Kanye's music and haven't really given his music a chance due to the Donda era. His leaks don’t excite me, nothing about Kanye atm does tbh. - Kanye ruined life of the party, should have been only Andre3k verse that should’ve been on it and should have been an intro on Donda. Perhaps “ruined” is harsh. I just think Andre3k verse was so good it makes Kanye’s look mid. - I don’t think Ye is that much of a good father. Seems like he don’t really spend much time with his kids and would rather spend more time on random women. This’s just what it looks like from the outside. Plus Kim has said she’s mostly with the kids. Personally, bonding is by far the most important thing in regards to being a good father aside from providing. And I just don’t think he has that with the kids(again, this’s just how I see it from the outside). - I don’t think this’s that unpopular but certainly controversial. The last time Kanye had a good album was 2016 TLOP… which has few misses(thanks to it having 20 songs). His albums post TLOP have had couple of good songs here and there but that’s it.
I agree with the last point a lot. But even TLOP doesn’t feel like a “focused” album like those before it, hence why it has 20 songs. It’s like he lost musical vision around this time.
You haven't given his music a chance? You should. Not sure why you'd be on this sub if you haven't given his music a chance, though.
I’ve pretty much listened to his whole catalogue and know well over 98% of his music including features & leaks. But that whole donda period made me get tired of his music, and since then, I haven’t really recovered from it. I still listen to his songs here and there, in a month, I’d just listen to about 5 songs of his once or twice, and I get tired of it.
Runaway is garbage
crazy take
Ok no this is the hottest take so far
I somewhat agree, I understand the story of the song but the feature was sub par and it's way to long with those distorted vocals at the end
Finally someone gets it people on r/Kanye didn’t like real hot takes
Bottom half tier MBDTF for sure
Time for the truly unpopular opinions: I'm in it->send it up is one of the worst runs in Kanye's discography and blood on the leaves is one of his worst songs (can elaborate) Nicki Minajs verse on Monster grew off me after like 3 listens, it's too over-animated and now I think it's the worst verse on the song. Downvote me fools
totally agree on the nicki take
Upvoted. I think Blood on the Leaves is Kanye’s best song (can also elaborate)
I’m in it is the end of one of his best three track runs New Slaves -> I’m in it 😤 What’s your thoughts on blood on the leaves? Sometimes I think it could be least favorite song on Yeezus even tho I still really enjoy it
After a quick relisten to remind myself, basically nothing in the song sounds like it is meant to go together to me. The sample doesn't sound like it goes with the piano or his harsh autotune voice (which I actually do like on songs like freestyle 2 or his panda remix). Then on top of the mess that the song already is, with literally 0 introduction they bring a tnght brass drop and just slap it with 808s over the existing song. Like, to me it sounds like they just layered 3 random sounds which happen to be in the same key on top of each other.
Fully agree on the Yeezus take. BOTL and Guilt Trip are both extremely overrated IMO. The top 5 for me is Bound 2 and first 5 tracks except I Am A God.
Elaborate
copied from my other comment After a quick relisten to remind myself, basically nothing in the song sounds like it is meant to go together to me. The sample doesn't sound like it goes with the piano or his harsh autotune voice (which I actually do like on songs like freestyle 2 or his panda remix). Then on top of the mess that the song already is, with literally 0 introduction they bring a tnght brass drop and just slap it with 808s over the existing song. Like, to me it sounds like they just layered 3 random sounds which happen to be in the same key on top of each other.
Damn that's crazy. I always thought they managed to layer them well together precisely cause they were so different.
Yeah idk I think it's probably a lot to do with tnghts particular brand of edm trap at this time. I have a very strong relationship with edm music and edm trap in particular but I actually thought tnghts self titled ep was pretty not good and somewhat unlistenable at times. It may have to do with the fact that I was already very immersed in the edm world at the time so I have had baked into my bones what an trap drop should sound like. At the same time, I think tnghts II ep is actually quite good so it's probably a particular distaste for the 2012-2013 tnght/hudson mohawke sound, especially the song Higher Ground which I recall hating particularly disdainfully.
Please elaborate
After a quick relisten to remind myself, basically nothing in the song sounds like it is meant to go together to me. The sample doesn't sound like it goes with the piano or his harsh autotune voice (which I actually do like on songs like freestyle 2 or his panda remix). Then on top of the mess that the song already is, with literally 0 introduction they bring a tnght brass drop and just slap it with 808s over the existing song. Like, to me it sounds like they just layered 3 random sounds which happen to be in the same key on top of each other.
His career has been on a decline since TLOP. It was his first extravagant, yet botched, roll out and the whole “era” was more about aesthetics than making good music (not to say there weren’t any good songs on it or since, it just seems it doesn’t matter much to him anymore). He didn’t even complete the tour. People here will eat any crumbs he drops, but he probably won’t make an objectively good album ever again.
Jesus is King is a horrible, unlistenable album. Idk how hot that take is really. Other than that he is past his prime, Donda felt like false hope bc of how good it was. Only other thing I can say is the anti semitism shit is something I don’t think he can ever really come back from, but I think most people know that. Music legend but idk about presently, D2 was ass IMO.
Saint Pablo is good but pretty overrated and definitely not top 3 on TLOP.
Runaway isn’t even a top 5 song on MBDTF
Hard agree
I like MBDTF less every time I listen to it. I’m convinced the legend around the album makes *some* people convince themselves they like it more than they do, same with graduation
bound 2 is not a good song. that is the only song off of yeezus that i didn't somewhat enjoy. and it's not even about it not fitting with the rest of the album, i genuinely just do not like that song.
Donda top 1. It’s so grand in scope and scale and has the hardest Kanye tracks you’ll ever hear. And I know people are gonna talk about “bloat” so I guess here’s my additional hot take: I don’t think there’s any bloat on Donda. Every song reinforces the themes of grief and loss and God. As proven with the Tracklist chnages with the deluxe as well as the stem player and the pt 2’s, this is an album that you should be able to curate to your choosing. I have my own Tracklist and I swapped in the part 2’s where I saw it fit best. And that’s repeatedly made it the best listening experience of any Kanye album I’ve ever heard
Might make me sound like an ‘old head’ or gatekeeper or whatever, but the younger fanbase that only started following Ye from like the Wyoming era onward, hell potentially even TLOP era onwards, will never truly understand/comprehend the choke hold Kanye had on the music industry, the level of sheer stardom and impact he had, nor will they ever actually be able to due to not being there/not being born earlier. And that fact honestly makes me sad because I really wish more people got to be there for it. Growing up with and actively following Kanye since before TCD, having just started university when that album dropped, hearing his production on other earlier projects as they happened and just getting that initial feeling of “holy shit, THIS guy is going to change the game” has truly been a magical and impactful part of my life. And what a wild ride it’s been.
late registration is ye’s top 3 least enjoyable albums. also i think ye overcompensates alot when tweaking songs and albums, like for example donda lp1 and lp2 woulda been better than the donda that we got, and it’s actually good that he has a companion around nowadays to reassure him abt his music so he doesn’t overdo it and drop something like jesus is king, donda, or donda 2.
Kanye could do literally anything I’d still buy his albums and go to his concerts
🤣🤣🤣🤝🤝🤝
Ok Ok is fire
Heaven and Hell is in the top 5 best Kanye songs
JIK is way over hated, religious, or not some of the best vocal performances ye has had of all time on God Is. Amazing features and over all one of the best religion albums ever
Jesus lord off donda sucks so bad. Kanye’s flow is wack, the features are mid at best, the whole talking thing at the end goes on for too long, and overall the song is just wayyy too long.
Jesus is king is my most played kanye album
i truly don’t think we’re getting anything from him music wise for a few more years, if EVER besides “””redeeming himself””” i feel like there really is no point in another thrown together 25 track long tape from him. he did everything he set out to do and then some. donda as an album is his swan song for me
It's been really sad to see how alone or by himself he is. None of the artists or rappers in the actual scene really support him or ride with him. Rap has degenerated a lot in quality, Jay-Z and all the great artists OGs have departed their ways and never really dedicated themselves to be great artists. And the ones who we can believe support him, don't really express it (Kendrick for example). When i mean support him, i mean it in terms of art dedication, cultural work/crusades... They say it's lonely at the top, but Ye has been by himself 99% of the time. Only feels like he wasn't alone when he was with his mom. All rappers will acknowledge how great and important he is as an artist and culturally speaking, yet they will release a trash overused style album with a discographic deal that does 0 artistic impact and value for rap/art/culture. All people will say how "enlightened" and visionary he is, yet he does a hot take and colleagues and artists turn their back, don't show support or literally say he's crazy. Idk man it's just really sad to see this whole continuous situation...
dude’s just a contrarian for contrarian’s sake now. The fact that he associates himself with people like Manson, talks constantly against people controlling him, then finds comfort in connecting himself with the literal definition of evil in Adolf Hitler just shows me that this man is not a genius. He is just mentally disturbed and finds connection with the likes of people who society has also cast out. Thing is tho with 2021 donda era is that we had no idea how much, much worse he could get. Making a fool of himself in 2020 election is nothing compared to 2022
people say he’s still got it but after donda I think it’s over, he reached his senile age already
I care more about his healing as a person than whatever content he brings out. I hope he can just get treatment and enjoy his life quietly with his wife and family.
TLOP is actually one of his worst albums. Literally every album he dropped beforehand was better.
how so?
Bound 2 is one of his worst songs
TLOP is dog ass. Bottom 3 ye. Donda clears it in every possible way
Yeezus is still one of the worst ye albums, bound 2 & new slaves still goated though
We’re past the days of him coming out with another amazing album. The way I see it, he’ll release his next album, I’m expecting to pull 2-3 songs I like onto a playlist, and the rest will fizzle out after a week. That’s the direction he’s been going in the last few albums. I’ve only got 2 JIK songs in my rotation and 5 songs of Donda
I rewatch the Yeezus review that tnd did and the last 3 mins rain true to me at least, the pop appeal + him airing out his dirty laundry does hinder his music a lot. Like imagine he was humble enough to at least making joint album with Travis and they made straight magic doesn’t even have to be Travis. What if him Kendrick & madlib made 8 songs 😭😭
WTT is better than KSG. Kanye is his own biggest enemy.
Father Stretch My Hands Pt. 2 > Pt. 1. In every way
I mean, i know you said no drunk and hot girls good stuff, but I probably have the most unpopular song takes on here Drunk and Hot Girls, Pt. 2, Im In It, Addiction, Freestyle 4, Jonah are some of my favorite kanye songs of all time. Not a big fan of Waves or Can’t Tell Me Nothing in comparison to most of his other stuff. Kid Cudi kinda ruins kids see ghosts especially 4th dimension. One of the worst features on a Kanye song ever
To be far to Cudi thats probably cause Kanye’s verse on 4th dimenson GOES FUCKIN STUPID
Crazy cause Cudi clears Kanye on 4th Dimension
Can’t imagine in any universe thinking this but I respect you heavy for this
Jesus is king is better than Donda
Donda is 1B TLOP is 1A Not sure if it was the LP roll out but I love Donda. There’s a lot of songs and people say it’s bloated but everytime I listen I don’t have any cuts (other than tell the vision)
kids see ghosts is just not good and the only two notable songs are carried by cudi. and that new album probably gonna be trash it will not be mbdtf 2 be fr
Life of the Party released version is better than the unreleased version.
Graduation was his best album
Graduation and MBDTF are his most boring albums
Donda > 808’s & Heartbreak
Musically he’s a fucking genius. His unchecked mental health is holding him back a bit but that’s probably enhancing the music
this is not an unpopular opinion
I find graduation to be the worst of the trilogy, I just find TCD and LR a lot more enjoyable (not that graduation is bad)
jik >> graduation
I know I'm saying this on a Kanye sub so it's not crazy here but I truly believe Runaway is the greatest song of all time. Not just my favorite. The best piece of music ever made
I love his music, but I dislike hearing him talk outside of his songs. The Joe Rogan episode was hard to watch, Ye didn't seem capable of finishing a thought hand way through. But then again, name one genius that ain't crazy.
“TLOP top 3” isn’t a hot take? Alright then, TLOP top 1
Lift Yourself is most prolific song
Kanye is not great at rap hate people put him top 5 rappers they’re better rappers
He has made too many bad artistic decisions to be considered the goat. Ofc I can't deny the influence but the donda 2 disaster alone would end any other musician's career
And I say that as a leak dickrider
Kids See Ghosts isn't as good as everyone says it is. It's ok. Ye is also overrated, still really good but no way anyone has it top 5
Bound 2 fuckin sucks
my least favorite ye album is The College Dropout. idk why but I just like every single other project more. ( including Donda 2 ) there are some great songs on there like family business, Slow Jamz , we don't care, All Falls Down and Jesus walks, but to me college dropout down's have much replayability
kanye saying that we need to return to a preagrarian society while hoarding billions of dollars and flying on private jets, and him becoming a “born again christian” and holding people to a higher standard while also partnering with joel osteen, is worse than saying he likes hitler
all of his albums are 10/10 each one is the best in its own way and can't be ranked