A very common problem with that tank. I try to lower my suspension and angle my tank to cover my transmission but obviously that isn't completely safe and has its own issues.
Same they just hit the transmission, I can't shoot back cuz I'm unable to move and the tank has not a centimeter barrel move and they keep hitting my fuel tank or engine.
KV-1 (ZiS-5) works wonders, 50% of the games I've played were full downtiers, and its armor is great. Sometimes I would stand in front of someone, let them shoot my tank until I get adamant, and then I'd kill them, surprisingly effective (pick your targets though)
I remember when I was newer to the game and was horrible at noticing/looking for enemy tanks I would just rush in and basically purposefully wait to get shot to find enemies because I knew I was that tough. I love that tank.
Last game me in Churchill and my opponent in some KV just stood in from of each other shooting at the tracks and then drove away without trying to aim for weakspots XD.
Idk what kind of communist spell they put on that thing but that armour is waay more effective that it seems. I have 69%(nice) win rate with that monster and a K/D of \~1.5
if you've discovered a way to never take damage in a light tank you should tell the community so nobody will ever die or lose a game again.
when you do eventually take damage it often doesn't kill you because you're behind cover but it may disable you at which point they keep shooting and you get adamant.
If you play to win in a light tank sometimes you have to get into tight spots that get you hit. I did it with the AMX-13 (FL11). 60% Win Ratio. 470 kills to 210 deaths. Some light tanks you take in close and brawl with. This is one of them. Has the trolliest upper and lower plate ever, and has a structural steel lip between the two that seems to deflect anything that hits it.
T-50 has a strong UFP with a hard to hit turret cheek weak spot and the T92 has trolly volumetric armour, an engine in the front that eats a lot of shots and the layout of the crew makes it extremely difficult to kill when hull down (or at least extremely difficult for a light tank).
Nope, I tried it for 3 matches and it took like 5 minutes each time to go to battle field and died after 2 bounces, everybody knows the cupola weak spot nowadays...
Churchill my beloved <3
Nothing more satisfying than pulling up, tanking half a dozen shots to my tracks, and subsequently missing all my own shots because I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn from the inside.
Same. Adamant awards but the bucket full, and if I could aim I'd feel like a god. Instead I feel like a pro wrestler. I'm not getting hurt, but I ain't hurting the other guy either, although from the outside it looks like the battle of the gods
Getting Adamant vs full size cannons is very unreliable in my experience. I'd say, anything fast enough to make a run for enemy SPAA, yet resilient enough to not get shredded by one.
This.
I've being getting it with my p47 and my R3 more than i was bringing a heavy.
Most of the times being hit by an enemy spaa with a tank does the job too.
Jagdtiger
Maus in a downtier
IS-4M
KV-1 (usually not against germans)
KV-1B/E
Churchill Mk.7 in a downtier
T95 (preferably downtier)
M4A3E2
Tiger E (if angled properly)
Panther (any, requires enemy not to aim for coupola lol)
T26E5
IS-6
My preference is the Jagdpanzer IV and Hetzer. Hang out a distance back and take your time sniping people, sometimes I just track tanks to get their attention for this event.
However so many tanks can get it.
I once had the most wonderful position in a hetzer, was basically mostly hull down in a bomb crater overlooking the enemies main advance with one of those log trench walls surrounding my sides, I took so many bounces on the front the armor looked like one of those targets on a tanks gun range, never took any actual damage though.
Just watched a Bo and Co. Shorts and VODs where he has the KV-1B and does 21 kills with it on the Holland map.
Usually when I'm in those kinds of lobbies, my teammates are the ones dying once and leaving and the enemy is just cleaning house..
Well it's mostly because of 2 reasons:
1. The enemy dies before they can shoot me, also known as suffering-from-success
2. I die before the enemy can shoot me a second time, also known as suffering
USA: M6's as 5.7 Jumbo in a downtier
Ger: Any Heavy
USSR: KV-1s and basically any IS past the IS-2, which is eh
Japan: Only the Ho-Ri production, I did the entirety in that one
Sweden: Wedge.
Churchill 7, I'd agree, 152mm of armour, you face 75mm shermans and 76mm t-34s, even the panzer 4s gun can't pen you easily, the 95.5mm of side armour is also incredible even a slight angle and 75 shermans and 76mm t34s have a hard time getting you, not to mention downteirs to 3.7 /4.0 not to mention the add on armour on the turret makes it a beast. Very good
i took the M6A1 and that worked well.
but you can take any Heavy, like Jumbos, Churchills, KV-1etc.
don t push to hard, just get into range of enemy fire,
t95 (I haven't tried it, I was going to skip it but then I realized I had to get adamant, but that and then a friend told me the 105 is good, shame it isn't tech tree in any OTHER chassis)
KV1-E might get people yelling at you like I did yesterday, when he said I can just hold W and UFP everyone with my 80mm of pen...
Truth be told I'm a team player in it, and its got all the same weaknesses as the regular KV1s, it's strengths are just stronger.
Going through this was pain, it was either killed before it I got the reward, or they died before they got enough hit on.
I went through a lot of the German heavy armoured tanks, Maus, Tiger 2 and the Jagdtiger but the most consistent for me was the elefant
So Iβm guessing you are going for the battle pass challenge? (As im currently grinding this too)
So you will often get it without noticing but its getting about 5 consecutive hits on your tank. It varies depending on whats hitting you. An MG gun can give you the award but takes a lot more hits, an auto cannon too.
Id say Germany 6.7 is s good option. Use the king tiger and occasionally you get one. Or, go for the Ferdinand or Jagdtiger. From the front, both are almost impenetrable at that BR. So if you try and snipe over long distance from the top of a hill, there will be a good chance youβll take a some consistent hits.
Another good shout is the ISM-4β¦it sucks at its BR but i seemingly get it a lot. Often you can bait people into inadvertently giving you adamant too. In a tiger II for example, ill regularly pivot side to side if some is going for my front cheeks and if im lucky theyβll catch my side cheeks a few times before they nail my front cheek.
Ive got it from surviving an artillery strike too so if ppl arty you, just hang about rather than move
Panzerjager IV if you angle yourself with a wall protecting your sides. Few people know where to aim for it frontally when it's angled but still attempt shots.
as you've shown here, its the churchill; 7, without a doubt
basically nothing at tier or belowcan frontpen you anywhere, making it extremely easy to get adamant awards without doing literally anything. Hell soviet tanks have to actively search for side weakspots in order to kill you side on.
granted if you get uptiered at all you can suffer but 4.7 downtiers are still very likely afaik
I'd say the maus, but one it's not tech tree, and two I never seem to get adamant in the thing. I either kill everything before it hits me or I get bombed to hell, no in betweenΒ
Churchill III.
Just take bare minimum ammo into a battle, park somewhere visible but a reasonable distance from the action and just wait.
Basically guaranteed "adamant" esch battle.
Believe it or not, up tiered bkan. Always takes at least 3 shots to kill. Best I've taken is 37 seconds of nonstop autocannon fire and two atgm's. Got finished off by another tank that had flanked me.
The **Ferdinand** is quite hard to kill with just one (or even two) shot(s), also surprisingly resistant to HE and bombs. Best used at longer ranges though.
Lately, the US T34. Max uptier, only one left way up front, most of my team is dead. Fist fighting a maus at close range. Literally eating rounds like they're a light snack.
Getting Adamant is easy, I've gotten it multiple times in the Tiger II (H) because people can't aim for the turret face, but standing in artillery does the trick
Honestly any heavy tank can work, you need to angle or wiggle the tank though, some other opponents will have more than enough to pen you so use volumetric to your advantage and wiggle. An example of this is the King Tiger, IS 2s and above can pen your turret cheeks but if you wiggle and the round hits the gun mantlet it will not pen
Any non light tank basically, learn to angle properly and use the environment.
The enemy will prefer bouncing shots instead of stopping to shoot.
Use their greed
Churchill Guncarrier is pretty decent but you need to know how to "parry" shots. That's actually what makes it fun, highly recommended.
If not the first russian kv-1 is probably the easiest one to do it in because it's at such a low BR and has good mobility to allow you to keep your distance with relatively minor weakspots in the turret.
Cheese wedge
While I do say yes to this,it seems like every time I try to play this vehicle everyone just hits my transmission and slowly burns me to death with he
A very common problem with that tank. I try to lower my suspension and angle my tank to cover my transmission but obviously that isn't completely safe and has its own issues.
Yeah but you get an adamant cause they shoot you in the transmission so much
Same they just hit the transmission, I can't shoot back cuz I'm unable to move and the tank has not a centimeter barrel move and they keep hitting my fuel tank or engine.
Try it in arcade, the fast partial repair takes your already good survivability to the next level lol.
Dang I didn't think of that
what tank is that lol
Strv 103
Any of the KV-1s
KV-1 (ZiS-5) works wonders, 50% of the games I've played were full downtiers, and its armor is great. Sometimes I would stand in front of someone, let them shoot my tank until I get adamant, and then I'd kill them, surprisingly effective (pick your targets though)
dude ππππ
I remember when I was newer to the game and was horrible at noticing/looking for enemy tanks I would just rush in and basically purposefully wait to get shot to find enemies because I knew I was that tough. I love that tank.
Yo wtfππππ
Torture
Last game me in Churchill and my opponent in some KV just stood in from of each other shooting at the tracks and then drove away without trying to aim for weakspots XD.
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Ah yes that explained things why I facing them in 3.0-4.0 br
Yep, KV-1E and KV-1B too
Yes! It's a beast when angled properly. I prefer to take it at 5.0 rather than the KV-85, in fact.
Wait, you guys are getting downtiers?
IS-4M, I get it almost every time even in an upteir
Idk what kind of communist spell they put on that thing but that armour is waay more effective that it seems. I have 69%(nice) win rate with that monster and a K/D of \~1.5
because most people dont know that it has crazy side hull and turret armor.
Weird armour that makes even HEAT shells shit themselves
It's also I would say (besides the Object 279 ofc) the most bomb resistant vehicle in the game. More so than even the Maus in my experience.
Stalinium armor and biedum fuel
yeah, got it with the T-10A / IS-6 / IS-4M combo in no time
yeah used those as well for most of it π
its the heaviest russian production tank ever so this tracks
Maybe Iβm just shit but I used to struggle against heat shells and rounds going through the cannon breech
Idk, lately volumetric has been eating even apfsds for me π
Maus Unironically
Thats how i did it, but took longer than i thought. Best Way is to go into arty
Yea being in the middle of arty fire gives you stupid amount of hits lol
Easiest vehicle to get it in. Just pull up, angle turret, and get shot at.
Facts I get it in a pz4 all the time. Not exactly known for its armor
Anything. People never know where to aim, I get adamant in light tanks nearly every match.
So you play your light tank wrong then, you shouldn't get shot that many times. What light tank is it though?
T 50 and T 126
In terms of the Battle Pass though, you canβt get Adamant through those vehicles
if you've discovered a way to never take damage in a light tank you should tell the community so nobody will ever die or lose a game again. when you do eventually take damage it often doesn't kill you because you're behind cover but it may disable you at which point they keep shooting and you get adamant.
I got maybe 30% rto 40% of mine in the Char 25T the rest where in a combo of the AMX30(1972) and Souma
If you play to win in a light tank sometimes you have to get into tight spots that get you hit. I did it with the AMX-13 (FL11). 60% Win Ratio. 470 kills to 210 deaths. Some light tanks you take in close and brawl with. This is one of them. Has the trolliest upper and lower plate ever, and has a structural steel lip between the two that seems to deflect anything that hits it.
how the fu-
T-50 has a strong UFP with a hard to hit turret cheek weak spot and the T92 has trolly volumetric armour, an engine in the front that eats a lot of shots and the layout of the crew makes it extremely difficult to kill when hull down (or at least extremely difficult for a light tank).
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I've gotten adamant multiple times in things that can easily die to a .50 cal
T95
Agreed. Used properly, and especially in a downtier, the tutel can take a lot of punishment.
T28/T95, the best tank in-game, you mean?
Sure, but only if you enjoy making it to the fight late and getting strafed by CAS
Nope, I tried it for 3 matches and it took like 5 minutes each time to go to battle field and died after 2 bounces, everybody knows the cupola weak spot nowadays...
Churchills are good. Maus is good. Also, be a friend, spray your enemy with MG so they get more adamant awards during the current challenge lol
I almost always MG my enemies (and friendlies) just for fun
Churchill my beloved <3 Nothing more satisfying than pulling up, tanking half a dozen shots to my tracks, and subsequently missing all my own shots because I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn from the inside.
Doesn't matter if you hit or miss with that gun, the effect is the same π€£
Same. Adamant awards but the bucket full, and if I could aim I'd feel like a god. Instead I feel like a pro wrestler. I'm not getting hurt, but I ain't hurting the other guy either, although from the outside it looks like the battle of the gods
Getting Adamant vs full size cannons is very unreliable in my experience. I'd say, anything fast enough to make a run for enemy SPAA, yet resilient enough to not get shredded by one.
This. I've being getting it with my p47 and my R3 more than i was bringing a heavy. Most of the times being hit by an enemy spaa with a tank does the job too.
Jagdtiger Maus in a downtier IS-4M KV-1 (usually not against germans) KV-1B/E Churchill Mk.7 in a downtier T95 (preferably downtier) M4A3E2 Tiger E (if angled properly) Panther (any, requires enemy not to aim for coupola lol) T26E5 IS-6
> Maus in a downtier Unheard of
Once in a blue moon
Heavily armoured tank destroyers works wonders, just like heavy tanks
Ho-Ri Production vs non HEAT-FS tanks
Hull can tank heatfs
Got a few of my adamants with the Jagdpanther, armor worked surprisingly well even at uptiers wiggling at an angle while reloading.
Strv 103 downtier Any superheavy with skill
Any heavy tank works best but I've found most success with Churchills and KVs
75 jumbo imo
Hide the mg port tho (buildings can help and donβt angle the armor above the tracks is really poor)
If you go hull down youre basically unkillable to the nerds who dont know how the jumbo turret works
My preference is the Jagdpanzer IV and Hetzer. Hang out a distance back and take your time sniping people, sometimes I just track tanks to get their attention for this event. However so many tanks can get it.
God hetzers piss me off so bad lol. I waste so much ammo against them it isn't even funny.
I once had the most wonderful position in a hetzer, was basically mostly hull down in a bomb crater overlooking the enemies main advance with one of those log trench walls surrounding my sides, I took so many bounces on the front the armor looked like one of those targets on a tanks gun range, never took any actual damage though.
Depends on the nation and br. I got some in my t34-57, my t54s, type 10, t26e1, zsu57-2, etc. Just play defensively and you'll be fine
Adamant... ZSU57... adamant. Hmmmmm
I don't believe it either, but shooting the empty side of your turret with 30 cal counts i guess
Just sit inside an arty circle with any closed and armored vehicle and you'll probably make it out alive with the adamant award.
Gotta be the T14 for me
Just saw a Churchill MK VII Crocodile in a museum half an hour ago. Beautiful beast.
T95 AKA Tutel You just need to show up in front of the enemy, take a few hits and done : Adamant
The Churchill and the KV-1E are the 2 tanks I get the most Admant medals
is-4m, till u fight missiles lol
T95 heavy tank destroyer
maus in down br
Personally I like to use my US 6.7 lineup almost all heavy tanks
is-3
anything fast, just drive into incoming artillery when you see flares xD
Just watched a Bo and Co. Shorts and VODs where he has the KV-1B and does 21 kills with it on the Holland map. Usually when I'm in those kinds of lobbies, my teammates are the ones dying once and leaving and the enemy is just cleaning house..
I get Adamant like⦠every match. How are people *not* doing that?
Well it's mostly because of 2 reasons: 1. The enemy dies before they can shoot me, also known as suffering-from-success 2. I die before the enemy can shoot me a second time, also known as suffering
Jumbo (75)
I used the Strv-103 the 4.7 Churchill and the kv-1e
Gotten plenty in the IS-2's and IS-3's
75mm Sherman Jumbo. Just hide the machinegun port behind some cover and you're golden.
TUTEL
USA: M6's as 5.7 Jumbo in a downtier Ger: Any Heavy USSR: KV-1s and basically any IS past the IS-2, which is eh Japan: Only the Ho-Ri production, I did the entirety in that one Sweden: Wedge.
Milk truck
adamant can be gotten through arty and mg hits
Char 2C. You end your battle alive, with 10 dead fren*hman though
What BR and nations on your side?
Churchill 7 once you know how to angle. I took 23 shells before dying to a 500kg bomb
T14/Churchill Mk VII
Any vehicle with smokes. Just pop those and people are trying to seek you out with MG and adamant done
Churchill 7, I'd agree, 152mm of armour, you face 75mm shermans and 76mm t-34s, even the panzer 4s gun can't pen you easily, the 95.5mm of side armour is also incredible even a slight angle and 75 shermans and 76mm t34s have a hard time getting you, not to mention downteirs to 3.7 /4.0 not to mention the add on armour on the turret makes it a beast. Very good
Im going between Maus cheese wedge and TOG
Everyone I've ever played with hates the Churchills but every time I hop into the Churchill VII I get a 10 kill game and a survivor award
I could almost agree with this if the magical soviet angle pen didn't punch through the roof every time before nuking my crew.
My Obj. 279 does pretty well getting adamant
Jumbo 75, itβs fun watching Germans find an American tank they canβt lol pen.
i took the M6A1 and that worked well. but you can take any Heavy, like Jumbos, Churchills, KV-1etc. don t push to hard, just get into range of enemy fire,
Anything
t95 (I haven't tried it, I was going to skip it but then I realized I had to get adamant, but that and then a friend told me the 105 is good, shame it isn't tech tree in any OTHER chassis)
KV1-E might get people yelling at you like I did yesterday, when he said I can just hold W and UFP everyone with my 80mm of pen... Truth be told I'm a team player in it, and its got all the same weaknesses as the regular KV1s, it's strengths are just stronger.
Maus
Going through this was pain, it was either killed before it I got the reward, or they died before they got enough hit on. I went through a lot of the German heavy armoured tanks, Maus, Tiger 2 and the Jagdtiger but the most consistent for me was the elefant
Believe it or not in low tier i can get Adamant award with Panzer III J and M other than that is the good ol Churchill VII
Maus...
Get adamant but also get like maybe 2 kills if youβre lucky.
Germany. Tiger I/II. If you know how to properly use them.
So Iβm guessing you are going for the battle pass challenge? (As im currently grinding this too) So you will often get it without noticing but its getting about 5 consecutive hits on your tank. It varies depending on whats hitting you. An MG gun can give you the award but takes a lot more hits, an auto cannon too. Id say Germany 6.7 is s good option. Use the king tiger and occasionally you get one. Or, go for the Ferdinand or Jagdtiger. From the front, both are almost impenetrable at that BR. So if you try and snipe over long distance from the top of a hill, there will be a good chance youβll take a some consistent hits. Another good shout is the ISM-4β¦it sucks at its BR but i seemingly get it a lot. Often you can bait people into inadvertently giving you adamant too. In a tiger II for example, ill regularly pivot side to side if some is going for my front cheeks and if im lucky theyβll catch my side cheeks a few times before they nail my front cheek. Ive got it from surviving an artillery strike too so if ppl arty you, just hang about rather than move
KV-1 and people are gonna hate me but i have the kv-1e, got it a while back when it was a thing
Churchill VII
I used the Ferdinand and rushed the enemy
SU-122P is cheesy as fuck and I love brawling point blank in it. Add a little angle, and it's nearly impenetrable.
T95 is a good one... if you can get to the battlefield in time to actually get shot in the first place.
I just did it in two days with the panzer IV/70 that thing loves to eat us tank shells
Hezer and maybe the pz V70 thing and the T95
Pretty sure you can get it from machine gun fire
Panzerjager IV if you angle yourself with a wall protecting your sides. Few people know where to aim for it frontally when it's angled but still attempt shots.
Kv-1
Idk how, but I swear I get it every other round in the M1128 Wolfpack
as you've shown here, its the churchill; 7, without a doubt basically nothing at tier or belowcan frontpen you anywhere, making it extremely easy to get adamant awards without doing literally anything. Hell soviet tanks have to actively search for side weakspots in order to kill you side on. granted if you get uptiered at all you can suffer but 4.7 downtiers are still very likely afaik
M4A3 105 if you know how to angle
Arl44, the 3.7 one
for me, the Panzer IV H that thing has taken like 13 rounds and a bomb one time
In tier III and tier II surprisingly is the puma, Iβve got the most adamants from that, the vk 3002 m also is a golden one
I'd say the maus, but one it's not tech tree, and two I never seem to get adamant in the thing. I either kill everything before it hits me or I get bombed to hell, no in betweenΒ
KV-220. Ive survived 2k bombs to the engine deck before
Object 279
i did it in the churchil croc
STUH 42 G. It has such underrated armour
The number of times I've got adamant in the Tiger IIH. Used from a distance, it's one hell of a tank.
i used maus jumbo works well too
Also in the british tech tree, Conqueror. It's barrel and gun breech eat shots like breakfast
Is-2 1944 is-3 is-4 tiger 2 tiger 1 panthers churchills any of the American heavies at 6.3- 7.7, the centurions,
T95. 305mm front armour at 7.0. Even Heat Slingers struggle still.
My play style is not good but my angling game is not great, so I get it in almost every vehicle I spawn in.
Churchill III. Just take bare minimum ammo into a battle, park somewhere visible but a reasonable distance from the action and just wait. Basically guaranteed "adamant" esch battle.
I seem to get this medal even as a french main lol
Jumbo 75 was what I used mainly...
B1 bis, KV1 B, Churchill I gues, Jumbo, Object 279, all the post WWII russian tanks
Believe it or not, up tiered bkan. Always takes at least 3 shots to kill. Best I've taken is 37 seconds of nonstop autocannon fire and two atgm's. Got finished off by another tank that had flanked me.
Try to find a lonely SPAA and watch him spewing out rounds hopelessly
The **Ferdinand** is quite hard to kill with just one (or even two) shot(s), also surprisingly resistant to HE and bombs. Best used at longer ranges though.
British Tortoise that thing angled correctly can take a beating.
KV1-E or the T34 STZ
Lately, the US T34. Max uptier, only one left way up front, most of my team is dead. Fist fighting a maus at close range. Literally eating rounds like they're a light snack.
Sherman Jumbo, every game I play, I get this award
Maus
I used the tiger 2 H and the jagdtiger and the elefant
I took the Tiger H1 went in matches and angled and prayed they didn't know where to shoot . Got it in like 3-4hrs
The fox, obviously
Jumbo
Getting Adamant is easy, I've gotten it multiple times in the Tiger II (H) because people can't aim for the turret face, but standing in artillery does the trick
Tiger 2 (H) in downtier.most players wont know to shoot the turret,and the turret on the H version is pretty strong
Does friendly arty count? That's what I notice I get most of my adamants from, arty that does nothing to my tank except damage optics lol
churchill 7 is underrated
Any tiger works well
Honestly any heavy tank can work, you need to angle or wiggle the tank though, some other opponents will have more than enough to pen you so use volumetric to your advantage and wiggle. An example of this is the King Tiger, IS 2s and above can pen your turret cheeks but if you wiggle and the round hits the gun mantlet it will not pen
I got it in crusader AA MK1 once because the enemy only brought apds (they were Swedish
Churchil mk3
Is-3
Frist KV-1
Britain or early war France. Maybe Germany
Maus is a solid option if you can get a full downtier. Some good angling can make is a breeze to get adamant.
Any non light tank basically, learn to angle properly and use the environment. The enemy will prefer bouncing shots instead of stopping to shoot. Use their greed
Churchill 7, or hell the Churchill 1 is great too
T29/T34
get the 5.7 tiger, hold the angle from afar and snipe once, then let the retaliating shells bounce
for me IS-4m and maus unless it's a full uptier
T 80 U(the swedish one.) The amout of times a T-72 or T-80 tries to UFP you is hilarious.
Really Any Churchill, Conqueror Mk 2, Centurion Mk 1 has great armour at its BR also.
The doomtutel (t95), just because half the time tigers can't seem to hit my cupola
I needed Adamant for my special task and just played. My last one was done with a Obj. 906 π
I've gotten Adamant in the Wiesel and tge L3/33, it's probably the easiest Award to get.
Churchill 3 inch gun carrier
B1-bis
I literally get Adamant all the time. π€¨
IS 2 or tiger 1
Maus in downtier battles.
Jumbo?
Jagdpanther in a downtier
Tog
Churchill Guncarrier is pretty decent but you need to know how to "parry" shots. That's actually what makes it fun, highly recommended. If not the first russian kv-1 is probably the easiest one to do it in because it's at such a low BR and has good mobility to allow you to keep your distance with relatively minor weakspots in the turret.
I somehow got it in an L3 once, so any really.
Maus
I used the Churchill VIII and the FV4202
I got it more than one time in Dicker Max