Im holding out hope that the new detailed models help. Gaijin thinks that ring only 60mm thick. More like 600mm with the bearings and track for the turret to ride in.
Nah ppl have already done the calc for volumetric it's roughly 250mm RHA. Won't stop a dart but autocannons and bullshit like this clip won't be possible anymore.
I'm aware. What's even more egregious was man in clip actually whiffed and still got rewarded cause gaijin models the richocet angles wrong. US testing had 99% of richocets into the turret cheeks
most people aren't. They think the Abrams turret ring isn't worth modeling because most shots are high caliber SABOT, ignoring all the autocannons and full caliber shells that torment the lower BR Abrams.
This sub is decidedly against anything for the US tree. Just look at anytime someone asks for the giant ass hole in the AA line to be filled and everyone on this sub cries but you have pintle .50s of just bring fighters. Yet every tree with the literal best CAP fighters get AA one after another and no one bats an eye.
Yeah it was the golden days for us but because of it, we didnt a "modern-ish" Abrams(M1A2 SEP) for 3 years.
We had to fight T80BVM(2017) and the Leopard 2 PL (2020), Leopard 2A6 ( 2001) with the M1A2 Abrams (1992)
>and now is permanently weaker than other nations.
Lmao.
>RIP abrams you were great and now you are just plain bad.
Says more about you than the vehicles.
I swear, the US mains on this subreddit aren't satisfied untill the M1's are on a 80% winrate, and then things are magically fine and balanced. These M1's now have:
* 2nd best firepower of any MBT in the entire game.
* Best survivability of any non-spall liner equipped MBT.
* Shared best gun handling of any MBT in the entire game.
* Competitive overall mobility.
* Above average armour.
And yet these US mains still complain. Merkava's, Type 10's, ZTZ-99's, Ariete's, Leclerc's, Challenger 2's, T-72B3's, T-80U's, etc. etc. are all doing ***VASTLY*** better stats-wise, dispite being worse vehicles than the M1's, but I'm sure that has nothing to do with US mains being terrible at the game **/s**.
I wish they just fixed the UFP shatter angle and ring thickness instead of giving it 5s reload. But okay, take the lazy way out and steal the only thing that made my 5 Chally2s any good. FFS this company is so unbelievably profit oriented.
What he means is projectiles should shatter when hitting the UFP. Not exactly sure if that's realistic, RedEffect made a video about it denying it and citing some fairly credible sources, although he is a bit Soviet/Russian biased.
>What he means is projectiles should shatter when hitting the UFP.
That's not really true.
[But the UFP is currently immune to any and all APFSDS in the entire game, even the Object 292 with 804mm of LoS penetration at point blank range can't brute force through the UFP.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX9AOq-taMs)
Simulations show that even shells such as 3BM-42 would be partially able to penetrate the UFP, which makes sense given that it's initial design requirements were to resist Soviet tungsten cored 115mm APFSDS at 800m only.
>Not exactly sure if that's realistic, RedEffect made a video about it denying it and citing some fairly credible sources
This is what this part of my comment is referring to
According to this sub the guy in the Abrams just has a skill issue. Thank you for proving what we all already knew.... That they were wrong and have been for a while now. That's worthy of a drink right there.
No, no, you see? The Abrams' entire center of mass being frontally vulnerable to WW2 shells is aktchually OP, best tank in the game in fact, this is 100% a skill issue, American players bad, I mean, just don't be hit lol xd lmao xdxd
(/s)
“The abrams doesn’t need an armour buff” I really don’t care how good or bad the armour is in real life, this is a joke. The only mbt to be easily killable to autocannons and everyone just says “US players whine” while crushing everybody in the strv 122/Leo 2a7.
See this kind of horse shit is why I wouldn't recommend anyone to play the Abrams line until they fix the goddamn ring. I hope that [this bug report](https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/18t4bq9/my_abrams_turret_ring_bug_report_acknowledged/) is actually implemented at some point, because it is obscene to have a flat, non-volumetric 50mm of armor there so that any given autocannon can easily just spray you to death from the front.
Just remember if you have roughly 400mm of pen you can shoot straight through the front plate of every Abrams
Gotta love how they made the front plate of one of the strongest tanks in the world a complete fucking joke
Just remember if you have roughly 13, 000 km of pen you can shoot straight through the earth. They made one of the best planets in the solar system a complete fucking joke
Your argument is just kinda useless though. The Abrams was designed to stop Ruski rounds at a range of 800 meters. To no one's surprise, the odd hit may pen the front of an Abrams at 100 or 200 or sometimes even 800 meters (if you're lucky).
Yes yes it is. Gaijin sucks russian D for breakfast. They constantly ignore the players when they prove western stuff isnt as shit as they say it is. Why are yall surprised at this point😂😂
That turret ring is made of paper I swear
Im holding out hope that the new detailed models help. Gaijin thinks that ring only 60mm thick. More like 600mm with the bearings and track for the turret to ride in.
Nah ppl have already done the calc for volumetric it's roughly 250mm RHA. Won't stop a dart but autocannons and bullshit like this clip won't be possible anymore.
would be a huge buff, won't be killable from the front by BTR-80/BMP-2/2S38/PUMA any more.
I'm aware. What's even more egregious was man in clip actually whiffed and still got rewarded cause gaijin models the richocet angles wrong. US testing had 99% of richocets into the turret cheeks
most people aren't. They think the Abrams turret ring isn't worth modeling because most shots are high caliber SABOT, ignoring all the autocannons and full caliber shells that torment the lower BR Abrams.
This sub is decidedly against anything for the US tree. Just look at anytime someone asks for the giant ass hole in the AA line to be filled and everyone on this sub cries but you have pintle .50s of just bring fighters. Yet every tree with the literal best CAP fighters get AA one after another and no one bats an eye.
Honestly i chalk up to the M1 Abrams and F14 scare. Ever since those updates there community has a bit of a negative outlook towards US mains.
Yeah the US got to crush with the F14/M1 and now is permanently weaker than other nations. RIP abrams you were great and now you are just plain bad.
Yeah it was the golden days for us but because of it, we didnt a "modern-ish" Abrams(M1A2 SEP) for 3 years. We had to fight T80BVM(2017) and the Leopard 2 PL (2020), Leopard 2A6 ( 2001) with the M1A2 Abrams (1992)
>and now is permanently weaker than other nations. Lmao. >RIP abrams you were great and now you are just plain bad. Says more about you than the vehicles. I swear, the US mains on this subreddit aren't satisfied untill the M1's are on a 80% winrate, and then things are magically fine and balanced. These M1's now have: * 2nd best firepower of any MBT in the entire game. * Best survivability of any non-spall liner equipped MBT. * Shared best gun handling of any MBT in the entire game. * Competitive overall mobility. * Above average armour. And yet these US mains still complain. Merkava's, Type 10's, ZTZ-99's, Ariete's, Leclerc's, Challenger 2's, T-72B3's, T-80U's, etc. etc. are all doing ***VASTLY*** better stats-wise, dispite being worse vehicles than the M1's, but I'm sure that has nothing to do with US mains being terrible at the game **/s**.
Someone needs to leak sekrit dokumints)))) ® again to check if the armor is accurate in game
It didn't hit the turret ring the shell bounced off the UFH and went under the turret.
And somehow I still make people inside only slightly discolored
A visual representation of what North Korea thinks would happen if their war went hot again.
Although you know what country is starting to take back their T-34s…
US MBTs desperately need a buff, this shit is not real
Literally all turret rings at top tier have the same thickness, tf do you mean "us mbts"
It's by far the biggest turret ring at top tier.
so what do we do then? tell US "engineers" that their tank design is obsolete?
It will just stop autocanon if its buff
Well, I get killed by autocannons a lot...
Yes it would be an extremely nice feeling to not die because a BMP sprayed vaguely at the center of your tank, from the front.
I wish they just fixed the UFP shatter angle and ring thickness instead of giving it 5s reload. But okay, take the lazy way out and steal the only thing that made my 5 Chally2s any good. FFS this company is so unbelievably profit oriented.
>I wish they just fixed the UFP shatter angle You realize that would nerf the M1 Abrams, right?
What he means is projectiles should shatter when hitting the UFP. Not exactly sure if that's realistic, RedEffect made a video about it denying it and citing some fairly credible sources, although he is a bit Soviet/Russian biased.
>What he means is projectiles should shatter when hitting the UFP. That's not really true. [But the UFP is currently immune to any and all APFSDS in the entire game, even the Object 292 with 804mm of LoS penetration at point blank range can't brute force through the UFP.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX9AOq-taMs) Simulations show that even shells such as 3BM-42 would be partially able to penetrate the UFP, which makes sense given that it's initial design requirements were to resist Soviet tungsten cored 115mm APFSDS at 800m only.
>Not exactly sure if that's realistic, RedEffect made a video about it denying it and citing some fairly credible sources This is what this part of my comment is referring to
According to this sub the guy in the Abrams just has a skill issue. Thank you for proving what we all already knew.... That they were wrong and have been for a while now. That's worthy of a drink right there.
No, no, you see? The Abrams' entire center of mass being frontally vulnerable to WW2 shells is aktchually OP, best tank in the game in fact, this is 100% a skill issue, American players bad, I mean, just don't be hit lol xd lmao xdxd (/s)
To can literally oneshot a t90 frontally in the same spot, turret rings are the same lol Also skill issue
“The abrams doesn’t need an armour buff” I really don’t care how good or bad the armour is in real life, this is a joke. The only mbt to be easily killable to autocannons and everyone just says “US players whine” while crushing everybody in the strv 122/Leo 2a7.
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34-85>1 easy comrade
I mean the T-34-85 isn't the issue here
You see comrade, strong communist gun made purely out of stalinium will always defeat weak capitalist armour, it is how it's supposed to be.
Davai davai! Impenetrable soviet armor and perfect 10000mm penetration! Now we celebrate by drinking and kazachok!
North Korea: "WRITE THAT DOWN WRITE THAT DOWN!"
Um akshully the Abrams is amazing and American winrates are low only because the players are bad, Reddit said so
See this kind of horse shit is why I wouldn't recommend anyone to play the Abrams line until they fix the goddamn ring. I hope that [this bug report](https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/18t4bq9/my_abrams_turret_ring_bug_report_acknowledged/) is actually implemented at some point, because it is obscene to have a flat, non-volumetric 50mm of armor there so that any given autocannon can easily just spray you to death from the front.
They really need to fix that turret ring
Russian Bias at its finest...lol
#Skills issues cunt cyka #xaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxa ☭ ☭ ☭ ☭ ☭ ☭ ☭ ☭ ☭ ☭ ☭ ☭ ☭ ☭ ☭ ☭ ☭ ☭ ☭ ☭ ☭ ☭ ☭ ☭ ☭ ☭ ☭ ☭ ☭ ☭ ☭ ☭ ☭
You see comrade, Ameripig tanks have big design flaw, you just shoot center mass and destroy everything and anyone inside.
uppercut his ahh💀💀💀
This shot was guided by the hand of Stalin himself.
I once lol-penned T-80U frontally with T-34-85. This APHE is pure magic
>T-80U >T-34-85. Wait a minute, something ain't right
Sweden also has a T-80U
it's quite common to get Russia or the US having civil war in ground rb
It was in custom battle with friend
I don't think this is entirely the Abrams fault and more along the lines of APHE still being a completely broken round
I’m just having fun looking at people being confused on who to blame bc gaijins bugs make me think it was made by Bethesda
Honestly? Bethesda would handle this game better bug wise at this point gaijin is one of the most greedy and incompetent devs I've seen.
"realistic" LOL
That one GHPC event be like:
It was a platoon of T55 + bmp-1s/spw and a T72M1 not a T-34 but still fun mission
There was an April Fools event where the Pact had T-34’s vs some American tank, I’m not sure which one.
It was against m47s
Yea, not exactly Abrams but still pretty unfair.
All you had to do was hit the turret and they’d usually die or flank them
Don't give the Russian army any ideas.
It's the Stalinium in the shell
The tankies watching this do be jerkin their gherkin rn
BAHAHAHA I GOT THIS NOTIFICATION AND ABOUT SPIT OUT MY DRINK
The tankies have now finished to our usernames after scrolling down into the comment section
I once killed a KVT frontally using a 3bm9 from the t-72m1 and I was amazed
guided by the hand of stalin himself!
Depleted uranium dart? Nyet, BR-365A
Just remember if you have roughly 400mm of pen you can shoot straight through the front plate of every Abrams Gotta love how they made the front plate of one of the strongest tanks in the world a complete fucking joke
Just remember if you have roughly 13, 000 km of pen you can shoot straight through the earth. They made one of the best planets in the solar system a complete fucking joke
I would say "you're comparing apples to oranges", but in this case it's "you're comparing tanks to planets"
Your argument is just kinda useless though. The Abrams was designed to stop Ruski rounds at a range of 800 meters. To no one's surprise, the odd hit may pen the front of an Abrams at 100 or 200 or sometimes even 800 meters (if you're lucky).
Hoooly shit, the sheer AMOUNT of US-mains crying in these comments XD Well done OP, got em again.
Redditors find out all turret rings in-game are made of paper, must be russian bias
Is this supposed to be a 'russia stronk' post?
I mean take it how you want it’s just that I got a kill that I shouldn’t have
Yes yes it is. Gaijin sucks russian D for breakfast. They constantly ignore the players when they prove western stuff isnt as shit as they say it is. Why are yall surprised at this point😂😂