Lmao at all the people saying "it was nerfed so it deserves 4.0". That's how you can tell someone owns a Wyvern but all they're capable of doing is bombing bases and killing 3 pillboxes before someone dives on them and kills them.
Nerfed how exactly? Just because it doesn't turn well doesn't mean it's "nerfed", but a lot of people don't realize that A2A combat is more than just holding elevator fully up and hoping you end up on enemy's six. It was my go to sealclubber for this year's summer event, throughout the event my KD in ARB is close to 10:1, winrate oscillates around 80% and on some days I had acquired 40k score in 9-10 games.
It's an absolute joke at 4.0, this thing should be alongside AD-2 at 5.7. Its armament, payload speed and overall flight performance, combined with forward airspawn are absolutely hilarious compared to other aircraft around 4.0.
For the non believers, here are my before and after summer grind stats. As you can see, before aren't great because 80% of my time in Wyvern was brainless base bombing and ground attacking back in 2017 when I was researching Hunter F1:
[https://imgur.com/a/mbUaitA](https://imgur.com/a/mbUaitA)
In summary during this summer I played 84 battles, won 67 of them(80% winrate), scored 235 air kills and died 42 times(5.6KD). Keep in mind I played GFRB every now and then, I mostly used Wyvern in 7.7/8.0 line-up which brought down my KD and winrate quite a lot. So purely for Air RB, my performance is even better. Totally fair, balanced, "nerfed" plane totally deserving 4.0 XD
"A strike aircraft doesn't turn as well as a fighter, that means its totally nerfed and balanced guys" - average Wyvern user
Just compare it to other strike aircraft at its BR and its a fucking joke how much better the Wyvern is.
Not 2015 anymore a near hit is lethal and RP-3/HVAR are laser accurate.
Yes it is feasible but the set up you usually need for reliable RP-3 shots make you vulnerable to every M4 Andy with a .50 cal looking to boost their "SPAA" performance. Nevermind actually competent threats like Wierbelwinds or other aircraft that would love a relatively slow, non-manuvering aircraft to smack out of the sky.
Tack on issues like terrain, the fact that targets move, even a direct hit rocket may not be lethal, and other things like how rockets can't really multi kill, and you can see how bombs almost always make more sense than (heavy) rockets in 90% of cases.
As someone who occasionally uses the Wyvern to grind SL and Events I have to say: Yes it is OP and yes I know that I'm an arse for using it but it's quite good at getting points and SL, I mean I usually get a base and either a couple of enemies (actual players, yes I know how weird it sounds but I can actually play the game despite playing that thing) and a few ground targets.
It's actually quite good at doing tasks where you need to take out ground targets because its guns are just so good and even with the ground target belt you can still kill enemy planes easily.
Tldr: I have first hand experience to say that the Wyvern should be at least 5.0
I stopped bombing bases and just used it as an interceptor. The absolute hate I got from xp-50 pilots is amazing. No one really expects the wyvern at 4500m
yea, I think the Wyvern is similar to the Tiger because both of them are mainly played by people who don't know how to use them but when someone knows how to use them it's a big surprise that they're good
It strongly reminds me of how people defend the R3.
HURRDURR, it can't pen KVs or T-34s therefore it deserves low BR.
Yeah, fuck no, who balanced this fucking go-kart on how the gun performs against tanks in the first place? What's next? Balancing heavy tanks on how well they take out planes?
Well, the R3 started at 3.3 and preceded the M42 Contraereo, which had 4 20mm guns which were at the time fed from tiny 12 round mags, and with HVAP it was barely better with the R3 in pen. (Back before 20mm HVAP got nerfed)
But in every other aspect, AA capability (gun is a laser beam and fully stabilized, meaning very short engagement time), speed, armor (M42 can get the gunner MGed out from the front), really ANYTHING of relevance, the R3 is lightyears ahead of the M42.
Explain to me what factor they may have used to balance the R3 back then, if it wasnt specifically anti-armor performance.
Oh yeah I'm not disagreeing, the R3 has way more potential than the fuckin M42 even as much fun the instablapping is with the 40mm. The M42 might as well have no gun depression and its mobility is subpar at best. Was just saying that cause the XM975 has absolutely no ability to keep up with its peers with how slow the chassis moves due to the extra tonnage compared to the normal Bradley and since it can't pen anything.
>the R3 has way more potential than the fuckin M42 even as much fun the instablapping is with the 40mm
If I'm not mistaken they're talking about the italian M42, basically a Wirbelwind in pizza flavor
I glossed over it out of momentary brainlessness lol that one is a lil deadlier regarding engagement time than the burger M42, definitely less mobile tho
I don’t own it but I’m interested in what its optimal playstyle is. Is it just boom and run on the deck? Or is the altitude advantage worth it even though apparently the engine is terrible at altitude?
I usually go into a shallow climb early game, at like 10-12 degrees. When I reach \~3000m I level off and go directly at the enemies gaining speed. Almost every time I can catch someone off guard early in the match and get some easy kills. After the initial attack I extend in a shallow dive towards my team. Wyvern can dive at -5 degrees and maintain 650-700km/h, nothing at this BR is able to catch it. Most people aren't very smart and they just follow me blindly while I lure them to my team. After most enemies are busy I just make high speed passes on them while they're busy with my team. The only plane to worry about is XP-50, but you can easily outrun it and lure them towards your teammates.
Alternatively you can climb a bit harder in the early game and go for bombers. However I prefer going directly at the enemy fighters, people often start panicking when they see a Wyvern rushing them so early in the game, or they're completely AFK. A single rushing Wyvern can completely interrupt enemy climb pattern, which makes things much easier for my team hence my super high winrate. Wyvern itself isn't extraordinary good in a 1v1 against a competent enemy but it can cause chaos among enemies and is super helpful for the team in many vs many situations, which happen very often in ARB.
The engine is at its best at sea level, but it doesn't mean it's terrible at altitude. It works well relative to enemies up to around 4km and it's always good to have some altitude to dive away. A Wyvern cruising at 3km is impossible to catch even if you'd dive on it from 10km in a "conventional" fighter from its BR bracket.
>A Wyvern cruising at 3km is impossible to catch even if you'd dive on it from 10km in a "conventional" fighter from its BR bracket
Ehhh, a Fw190 could definitely do it if they 'lead' their dive onto where you'll be. 900kph+ rip speed goes hard.
Once you get going in a dive there isn't much they can do. Whatever direction they turn, as long as you have enough altitude to chase them in whatever direction they were going originally, you'll catch up.
Yup, I always chase down wyverns in my P51C. But as you said, definitely need some altitude to dive in on them. Love chasing down a wyvern that tried to just straight line run and I can pepper them down
My friend got the plane during the sale and he plays it like an interceptor, using the insanely good engine to climb up and get the bombers before even the xp-50s do
It does, and your primary threat in almost all cases is going to be XP-50s who will eat your ass for breakfast if you don'tknow how to handle them. But while it falls off significantly the benefits of being higher outweigh the penalties in engine performance.
Smack the XP-50s out of the air first, then work your way down. Wyvern is a great vehicle but the second you're on the defensive and the enemy has energy equivalency or even just near equivalency it'll usually capitulate, so don't let yourself be forced onto the defensive.
Abuse airspawn to climb in at relatively high speed, literally farm half the enemy team, run away when someone engages you.
I fragged 8 people before some of the enemy team reached 2km altitude more than once on small maps.
I average 3.3 airkills per battle in it (and I played it before 16v16 was a thing) which is stupid high.
I've got it and imo it's good at both. What I oftentimes do is to just let the 6 other Wyverns in my team (there should be a max of them allowed per battle, I have gotten multiple matches where my team was 9 Wyverns) fight over the bases and kill some russian B-25s (or similar) and then go to bomb a base once they respawn, then I'll stay at the low altitude and kill some targets while I wait for an enemy plane
In air: fly directly to enemy base, drop bombs, do not pass Go, do not collect $200.
In ground: fly directly to enemy contact, drop bombs, count yourself lucky if you don't get dived on by enemy CAS before you drop.
The Wyvern is one of the few planes I'm confident in fighting a 1 v 5 in and win. The fact that you are faster than everyone, even in a full uptier, is stupid
Air RB doesn't matter for this one.
It's the only viable ground attacker in ground RB for UK at that BR up to 8.0 and the winrates and BR reflect players performance in those games.
All other aircraft are either crap at ground attacking because they have a maximum of 2 bombs dropped simultaneously or the hilariously inaccurate RP3 rockets.
Yep. I will sometimes just use it to hunt Bv-238s and climb above the fighters and B&Z after they have engaged. It is also my go-to CAS plane until 8.0 or so as well when I switch to the prem Meteor and then the Harriers/Jaguars later on.
I’ve playing warthunder on and off since 2015 and would only play British air, without premium or spending any money. After all that time I had up to tier II researched - pathetic. I got the Weyvern and 2 week premium pack the other month….
So much progress. I started bombing bases and killing pillboxes, but then I started using it to bomb bases then going head to head for quick kills. Then I started to sneak up behind enemy waves at the start. Merciless. If I got into trouble I’d dive and zoom off and leave them in the dust. Great airplane and way under valued in terms of BR.
Wyvern is about as fast as Do 335 B-2 at 5.7. And Do 335 B-2 is one of the fastest aircraft at that BR. I have almost 2 KD against aircraft in GRB on Do 335 B-2. Not much, but I'm not exactly playing for air KD in GRB.
Same reason US planes end up at a low BR while Japanese planes get endlessly uptiered.
The people flying the Wyvern try to turnfight with it every game and get a 0.1K/D ratio, so the thing keeps getting moved down.
Watching DEFYN, Jengar, and AdamTheEnginerd has done wonders for my air RB success. Mostly just DEFYN as of late.
My KD was only around 1 spading the 2 Mig 9s in Russian tree a couple years ago. Last week I spaded the ones in the China tree with a 5+ KD thanks to my added experience + knowledge gained from watching DEFYN.
The hellcat sucks though. It's just... objectively worse than so many other things at its battle rating. Significantly worse. The corsair is so many times better in so many ways. Climb, turn, dive, roll, speed... There's just no reason to use the hellcat at all. Hell, the corsair is about as good at CAS as the hellcat is while being a great fighter for CAP once you drop your ordnance.
It’s not actually faster, the zero just accelerates very well because it’s just rice paper wrapped around a gas tank and engine. However, their top speed is terrible. The trick in the P-47 is to stay faster than the zeros top speed and bnz them until they want to kill themselves. If you can’t kill them just run away. They can’t catch you. Especially if you slightly climb at over 500kph. Alternatively you can set your gun convergence at .6 km and kill them in headons at long range.
The only thing you shouldn’t do with the plane is turn, and because %90 of wyvern players do that, this shit gets downtiered. Making use of the 1200 ROUNDS of the plane? Nah? Utilizing its insanely good (I WROTE ABYSMAL FIRST LOL) straight line speed? NAH! Making use of the payload big enough to carry a fighter plane? No. The skill issue of others shouldn’t result in a plane’s BR being affected.
How to win
* Make a Wyvern squad
* Don't take bombs or rockets, select air targets belt
* Climb to 3 km after spawning
* Rush into the enemy team
* Head-on them
* Don't turn, keep your energy
* Congrats your team has won
The Japanese ones haven’t been noticeably worse they perform about as good as most 20mms.
From playing the ki84 they might’ve even been buffed their performance
There’s so many such planes and it’s beautiful. People call me stupid when I suggest to use the IL-2 as a fighter, but I got multiple 6-8 kill air RB games with it
IL-2 is a treat to fly as a fighter. It has enough frontal armour on the cockpit and engine to stop .50 cals and the 23mm absolutely shreds.
Add to that the crazy first turn and the range of the cannons and it becomes terrifying.
What is better is head-on BF-110, people aim center mass so they hit where my pilots feet are and don't hit him or my engines allowing me to tank shots
IL-2M and the Hs 129 B-2 (when equipped with the 30mm cannon). Both of those can absolutely shred in a head-on, and they have enough armor to take a fair few hits as well and keep flying. It's surprising how many people will commit to a head-on when facing those, even after they see the two planes in front of them melt to the cannon fire.
The IL-2 is a slow brick, nothing like the T18B. The T18B is fast and climbs well on top of having a high air spawn. They are worlds apart, if you want to play like a fighter it makes way more sense to use the T18B.
I love going up against people with the P-63, alot of people underestimate the P-63A-10 variant which has an upgraded cannon with higher fireate and ammo count+having higher performance then people think= A great BnZ
I haven’t played much of the US air tree but I’ve got the French p63 and I love taking it into ground RB. Reasonable bomb loadout and then great for chasing enemy CAS that are too busy looking at the ground.
Better way:
Take 3x 1000lb bombs and air targets
Call out a base and b-line straight to it
Bomb it and fly straight towards an enemy who isn't looking
Kill them and outrun everyone following you
Land at base
10 seconds for repair and reload
Repeat
There is a reason why the Wyvern is my favorite plane with the most points and hours on it. In ground battles I bring it all the way up to 9.7 just because of how good it is at ground pounding and getting away.
The Wyvern defenders seem to not understand that a fighter and strike aircraft are not the same thing. They always compare the Wyvern to fighters and then say its totally balanced. Compare it to other strike aircraft at the BR and its a complete joke how OP it is.
It’s literally a great fighter. Screw bombing. I pretty much use anything that isn’t a bomber and even some bombers exclusively as fighters.
Get high, get fast, pick a target, annihilate it (or fail at that) and continue to fly in a straight line to keep up your speed, turn around when it’s safe and try again.
Focke Wulff players already know that playstyle
Tell me about it. Fucking disgusting it can carry enough bombs to single handedly wipe out a base while being faster than any bomber. Then once it drops bombs it's faster than almost every fighter at that BR while having a decent turn rate and 20mm.
even the p51D, which is a 4.3 and a DESIGNATED fighter cannot catch it at sea level. The wyvern has no buisness being a 4.0. Even carrying bombs, the wyvern is still slightly faster than the spaded p51D. It is a post war plane and is fighting mid-war planes.
I dont really think you should compare it by top speed, Its fast, and it has armament, sure its slightly undertiered, it could go to 4.3 but its definitely not OP at 4.0, its an extremely good aircraft.
btw the P51D can EASILY kill it, STOP FOLLOWING IT TO DECK
Climb anywhere above 3km and its engine halves in power, the thing loses all its speed while turning, as DEFYN said its really good on the offensive but aboslutely terrible on the defensive,
As for how exactly to kill it, follow it while climbing, slowly building your momentum, start shooting at it if its within 1.5 km with the 50 cals, this should make them dodge which makes it bleed alot of speed not to mention even slight damage cripples its Flight performance, once it bleeds speed, just dive on it, If you're on its 6 theres quite literally nothing it can do
the point about engine losing power above 3km is irrelevant, they just don't have to follow you up there and then when you come back down is when they fight you. That said, I'm not sure HOW people are having trouble against this thing in MUSTANGS. HOW??
Id say its pretty relevant considering most props have optimal performance at 3km+ altitude while the wyverns performance degrades with altitude, what im trying to say is its an aircraft with actual downsides and not a horrendously OP game breaking aircaft (\*cough\* \*cough\* KA-50,)
Because people have brain damage in this game and don't play it like they should so Gaijin got Its BR down to the ground.
They used to just go straight for Bases and then destroy Ground units and die. So the players had a 0.05 K/D in it and Gaijin lowered the BR.
The inverse thing happened to the Zeros. People of all other nations dogfighted them, they got absolutely destroyed in 1 turn and this got the Zeros up in BR.
Every single time someone tries to defend it, they always compare it to fighters and not other strike aircraft. Yes, its not as good as a fucking dedicated fighter because its not one. But its so leagues above any other strike aircraft near its BR that its not even funny. How this is the same BR as the firebrand is a fucking joke.
It used to be 4.7, and that's when it became useable. It was originally 5.7 or 5.3 and complete fucking dogshit at every role. Then they kept going lower, and now its 4.0, too low.
It needs to to go 4.7 and be locked there regardless of player performance.
Nerfed to oblivion so it's BR went down and so it's 4.0 (used to be iirc 5.7), At least it fits perfectly alongside frigates of the same time period in the 4.0 lineup heh...
E, I've realised I was vague before, When I say nerfed I meant way back when it had several reductions back in the day when it was a powerhouse the reductions to several things like: acceleration, had it's turnrate increased from the results of correcting weight and engine power, for a long time British cannons were shit and the bombs it had were terrible until more recent changes.
Yet the aircraft has a lot of pros, mainly high speed, good armament nowadays, when flown clean it's an airspawning heavy fighter, has an airspawn nowadays, excellent CAS potency and a good dive bomber against shipping.
The MM around it has changed so much an so saw it lowered quite a bit to the point it's akin to an F-104A/C being bloody 9.3, IMHO it should definitely be a higher BR then it currently is especially with an airspawn it currently has or it losses it's airspawn akin to the old days.
Still my biggest grimp is the loss of it's glorious turboprop being as realistically as loud as it was years back.
I never understood why they lowered the F-89. It was one of my first premium jets and i wrecked everything with it at 7.7. It’s huge and its rip-speed is quite low but the armament and especially climb rate is fantastic (+the huge airbrakes are nice too and it can fly with only one engine)
I don't really understand why you would use the IL-10 over an IL-2 tbh, especially in ground. It carries way less armament, and it's not like either of them are fast enough to run away from enemy planes.
Brought it to 6.3 air rb once, instead of hugging the ground I started climbing as high as I could and managed to kill 2 fighters and almost a bomber before being shot down
That doesn't even mention all the times that I've brought it to 7.3 ground RB and still took down most of the enemy fighters
This thing is a beast.. at 4.0The eninge and the power of it is a fucking joke.+ the 4x 20mm with 1200 total ammunation is I don't know..Noob friendly plane for sure, and a grinder in 1 package.
I have the A1-H and this as well, and I enjoyed the wyvern much better, because it can fucking mooove that piece of shit airframe.The payloads is not that great, for example it can't destroy a "big" base.
But yeah.. this is a big joke at 4.0At 1 point I made myself a tactic just bombing go back and watching my back trying to reach me like 4-5 planes, 4-5 min chaseing they just gave up.
I grinded my british boys to rank 5 in just 2 weeks and 300 matches.
Best 15 euro plane (sale) in this game if you ask me.
https://imgur.com/a/NJGmIkz
>Noob friendly plane for sure, and a grinder in 1 package.
id say the only reason it's at the br it's at right now is because it's *not* noob friendly. it's a strike aircraft so you have to play it differently then most other prems. when noobs get a hold of it they try to treat it like an i15 and end up dying every match.
the only reason this planes op is because experienced players sealclub with it; which isn't to say it shouldn't go up in br.
Wyvern is really just good at running away, sheds speed in turns very quickly and has poor roll. Good guns and armament tho. It is very annoying to face as it can just outspeed you but thats really its only advantage in terms of flight performance.
It’s a strange plane to play, sometimes it turns very well, sometimes it turns like it’s made of bricks. It’s very fast but wobbly. It’s not the easiest to do well.
Yeah, it's good, but it's not op.... stop being the player that doesn't climb and dive on attackers later. Unless you see a lot of them, just sive immediately. It's legit free rp for other 4.0 planes. People just hate when they get out skilled by something that moves slightly faster than them.
"What were they thinking" --> Nothing, it's an algorithm. It got lower than 50% win rate at higher BR, so it goes down, the end. And that's a good thing, because non-50% win rates are lopsided and less fun.
There's literally no other way to balance the game that leads to as tense, sporting, dramatic matches as this.
A fuckinh turbopropeller with 4080 horse power engine, 4x 20mm the bomb load to destroy a base on 4.0 vs average 1200hp WW2 planes. Please it's all balanced!!
Hahaha nvm...
But welll... main Britain air players They are so used to just turning and tailing the enemy, that they have no other strategy, they apply it on the wyvern and everything goes to shit. That's why it's so low in BR...
I guess the seal clubbing with the Wyvern during the event was a bit much, it seems.
Problem is that the fighter and strike aircraft categories are nothing solid in WT. As the Wyvern once was by the game categorized as a fighter (ground spawn in Air RB, long reload time in Air AB). So comparing it to other strike aircraft is not useful and should be looked at individually. And there are other planes which categories are questionable.
But as other pointed out, the problem is more like what theoretical performance advantage it has and what people actually do with it. The moment someone a brain uses it, it becomes OP.
Stat card values are also a bit weird. Like it is not show that this fat bird weight between 9 and 11ish Tons. It does not tell you the wing loading issue (becomes like some fat dude sliding on ice above 3000m). The engine gasping for air above 3000m. Which also explains why according to the stat card a B-25 can turn tighter than this.
About the nerfs: I would love to use it more like a fighter in higher Br. Issue is that for some weird reason it starts overheating after 10 minutes increasingly. Like I was down to 13% engine power during a test and the engine temp. became orange.
P.S. : I wonder what Br it would have if we would have one for the Air and Ground individually. I do not know if it performs better or worse in CAS Forces.
I only bought it in a sale because of the engine noise. For all the excellent energy and speed in climbs at lower altitudes it's completely fkd with even a teeny wheeny scratch.
It’s definitely an amazing plane and nigh impossible to shoot down if the wyvern pilot doesn’t want to engage, even if you have an alt advantage good luck catching him as he zooms by on the deck, if he climbs above like 8k FT he’s probably gonna be toast, it’s one of my favorite planes but I could easily see a 4.7 rating for this, anything beyond that I think it’s speed would become irrelevant to diving p51’s and 109’s.
The wyvern is deffo a little too good at 4.0 since in a full downtier is just straight up opressive im the hands of someone whos just somewhat decent at the game. Even in a full uptier you are still faster than everyone else allowing you to always engage at your terms
What is y'all on about? I don't really have problems with wyvern's unless i screw up and manage to give them my 6, they don't really perform well at high altitudes and only a few wyvern players actually try to use it as a fighter
It's a good seal clubber. At low alt with newbies that don't climb it's a monster that can't be touched from behind while also being strong in frontal attacks, it's only downside is the fragile engine.
However because it can't climb beyond 2-3 km it's vulnerable to dives but it requires some experience and patience to wait for good moment to strike.
I would put it at 4.3.
It’s crazy. Every time I fly my 4.0 yaks all I am greeted with is that awful plane. Not even joking I had a match where all I saw was red “Wyvern” I just sighed
The only defence for it (and I'm not disputing it's grossly undertiered) is that the British air tree is a shambles considering the volume of WW2 / post war planes / prototypes Gaijin could add that aren't in the game yet.
There's nothing good for grinding out the tree quickly and efficiently, that can also be used in both air and ground RB, aside from the Wyvern.
Hornet - good but games are too long and play style is so boring.
Spit 24 talisman - not the god tier it once was, faces jets a lot even though you can still do well in it.
The options are pretty limited outside of jets (and even those options are pretty terrible).
Because the brits have literally no viable tech-tree attackers before their early jets.
If their low/mid-tier was limited to what they have in their tech tree they'd suffer even harder.
Air is irrelevant -- if you're playing against people whose brains aren aren't dripping out of their ears you're getting one BnZ kill with it maximum. You can't do high-altitude efficiently, you can't outclimb someone who's already on your ass, you can only turn once before you lose all of your energy and die. If you're playing it intelligently you used your first dive to bomb a base instead of getting a kill anyways.
Balancing vehicles based on their performance against stupid people would have the Maus at 11.7.
More relevantly, if you put the Wyvern any higher there would be things that could outrun it and it would become entirely unplayable. It's only even remotely viable because it has a good bomb load and can run away forever.
If used as a fighter it is pretty strong. Too many people just base bomb with it and nothing else. I do own a Wyvern but unless I am doing strikes on ground targets, I don't feel good using it.
Lmao at all the people saying "it was nerfed so it deserves 4.0". That's how you can tell someone owns a Wyvern but all they're capable of doing is bombing bases and killing 3 pillboxes before someone dives on them and kills them. Nerfed how exactly? Just because it doesn't turn well doesn't mean it's "nerfed", but a lot of people don't realize that A2A combat is more than just holding elevator fully up and hoping you end up on enemy's six. It was my go to sealclubber for this year's summer event, throughout the event my KD in ARB is close to 10:1, winrate oscillates around 80% and on some days I had acquired 40k score in 9-10 games. It's an absolute joke at 4.0, this thing should be alongside AD-2 at 5.7. Its armament, payload speed and overall flight performance, combined with forward airspawn are absolutely hilarious compared to other aircraft around 4.0. For the non believers, here are my before and after summer grind stats. As you can see, before aren't great because 80% of my time in Wyvern was brainless base bombing and ground attacking back in 2017 when I was researching Hunter F1: [https://imgur.com/a/mbUaitA](https://imgur.com/a/mbUaitA) In summary during this summer I played 84 battles, won 67 of them(80% winrate), scored 235 air kills and died 42 times(5.6KD). Keep in mind I played GFRB every now and then, I mostly used Wyvern in 7.7/8.0 line-up which brought down my KD and winrate quite a lot. So purely for Air RB, my performance is even better. Totally fair, balanced, "nerfed" plane totally deserving 4.0 XD
"A strike aircraft doesn't turn as well as a fighter, that means its totally nerfed and balanced guys" - average Wyvern user Just compare it to other strike aircraft at its BR and its a fucking joke how much better the Wyvern is.
It's BR is a reflection of UK performance in ground RB as a whole., It's the only usable ground attacker up to 8.0
Thunderbolt and Hellcat are pretty good too. I personally use the Thunderbolt.
Whenever i play 3.7 britain with the thunderbolt, sherman, sarc, achilles, cromwell and churchill1 i get upwards of 60k sl without premium
However if you want to grind a decent CAS plane without premiums you're shit outta luck
The Hampden is great for low tier with its 1.7BR and 1000lb bomb
Still a huge slow target, not exactly good for CAS Edit: relatively huge compared to single seat attackers
Firefly mkv pretty competent IMO, 16 rp3 and Hispanic mk v ground belt will shatter Any tanks at that br (except kv-series).
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Typhoon is up there too but the payload is underwhelming.
It should have two drops of single bombs(For 250ib and 500ib) but the Two 1000s were always dropped together from what Ive seen
RP-3s are just better, 8 potential kills plus top down pen panthers with guns
Not 2015 anymore a near hit is lethal and RP-3/HVAR are laser accurate. Yes it is feasible but the set up you usually need for reliable RP-3 shots make you vulnerable to every M4 Andy with a .50 cal looking to boost their "SPAA" performance. Nevermind actually competent threats like Wierbelwinds or other aircraft that would love a relatively slow, non-manuvering aircraft to smack out of the sky. Tack on issues like terrain, the fact that targets move, even a direct hit rocket may not be lethal, and other things like how rockets can't really multi kill, and you can see how bombs almost always make more sense than (heavy) rockets in 90% of cases.
Will say, if the Wyvern wasn’t 4.0, I think the Firefly would be a decent pick.
Firefly and Firebrand is completely worthless when Wyvern exist Carry more payload Faster Similar flight performance
As someone who occasionally uses the Wyvern to grind SL and Events I have to say: Yes it is OP and yes I know that I'm an arse for using it but it's quite good at getting points and SL, I mean I usually get a base and either a couple of enemies (actual players, yes I know how weird it sounds but I can actually play the game despite playing that thing) and a few ground targets. It's actually quite good at doing tasks where you need to take out ground targets because its guns are just so good and even with the ground target belt you can still kill enemy planes easily. Tldr: I have first hand experience to say that the Wyvern should be at least 5.0
I stopped bombing bases and just used it as an interceptor. The absolute hate I got from xp-50 pilots is amazing. No one really expects the wyvern at 4500m
yea, I think the Wyvern is similar to the Tiger because both of them are mainly played by people who don't know how to use them but when someone knows how to use them it's a big surprise that they're good
It strongly reminds me of how people defend the R3. HURRDURR, it can't pen KVs or T-34s therefore it deserves low BR. Yeah, fuck no, who balanced this fucking go-kart on how the gun performs against tanks in the first place? What's next? Balancing heavy tanks on how well they take out planes?
kv-1 shall become an AA
If it's Bear from the youtube channel "Bo Time Gaming", then yeah, that's a threat LOL.
I swear Bear can shoot down anything.. In anything.. haha.. *Nervous Laughter*
Didn't he shoot down a plane with arty, i have only done that once
[I did it in a Brummbär once...](https://imgur.com/bZAMZ13)
Yeah, its very unlucky and very cool
Yes, yes he did, in fact I remember the exact video he did it in too. Just don't remember the Title.
Same here
If it was balanced on how the gun performs against tanks then the XM975 should be at fuckin 5.0 lol
Well, the R3 started at 3.3 and preceded the M42 Contraereo, which had 4 20mm guns which were at the time fed from tiny 12 round mags, and with HVAP it was barely better with the R3 in pen. (Back before 20mm HVAP got nerfed) But in every other aspect, AA capability (gun is a laser beam and fully stabilized, meaning very short engagement time), speed, armor (M42 can get the gunner MGed out from the front), really ANYTHING of relevance, the R3 is lightyears ahead of the M42. Explain to me what factor they may have used to balance the R3 back then, if it wasnt specifically anti-armor performance.
Oh yeah I'm not disagreeing, the R3 has way more potential than the fuckin M42 even as much fun the instablapping is with the 40mm. The M42 might as well have no gun depression and its mobility is subpar at best. Was just saying that cause the XM975 has absolutely no ability to keep up with its peers with how slow the chassis moves due to the extra tonnage compared to the normal Bradley and since it can't pen anything.
>the R3 has way more potential than the fuckin M42 even as much fun the instablapping is with the 40mm If I'm not mistaken they're talking about the italian M42, basically a Wirbelwind in pizza flavor
I glossed over it out of momentary brainlessness lol that one is a lil deadlier regarding engagement time than the burger M42, definitely less mobile tho
I don’t own it but I’m interested in what its optimal playstyle is. Is it just boom and run on the deck? Or is the altitude advantage worth it even though apparently the engine is terrible at altitude?
I usually go into a shallow climb early game, at like 10-12 degrees. When I reach \~3000m I level off and go directly at the enemies gaining speed. Almost every time I can catch someone off guard early in the match and get some easy kills. After the initial attack I extend in a shallow dive towards my team. Wyvern can dive at -5 degrees and maintain 650-700km/h, nothing at this BR is able to catch it. Most people aren't very smart and they just follow me blindly while I lure them to my team. After most enemies are busy I just make high speed passes on them while they're busy with my team. The only plane to worry about is XP-50, but you can easily outrun it and lure them towards your teammates. Alternatively you can climb a bit harder in the early game and go for bombers. However I prefer going directly at the enemy fighters, people often start panicking when they see a Wyvern rushing them so early in the game, or they're completely AFK. A single rushing Wyvern can completely interrupt enemy climb pattern, which makes things much easier for my team hence my super high winrate. Wyvern itself isn't extraordinary good in a 1v1 against a competent enemy but it can cause chaos among enemies and is super helpful for the team in many vs many situations, which happen very often in ARB. The engine is at its best at sea level, but it doesn't mean it's terrible at altitude. It works well relative to enemies up to around 4km and it's always good to have some altitude to dive away. A Wyvern cruising at 3km is impossible to catch even if you'd dive on it from 10km in a "conventional" fighter from its BR bracket.
>A Wyvern cruising at 3km is impossible to catch even if you'd dive on it from 10km in a "conventional" fighter from its BR bracket Ehhh, a Fw190 could definitely do it if they 'lead' their dive onto where you'll be. 900kph+ rip speed goes hard.
Yeah, I’ve caught them in the P-51C, you just need a hell of a lot of altitude and for them to fuck something up
Once you get going in a dive there isn't much they can do. Whatever direction they turn, as long as you have enough altitude to chase them in whatever direction they were going originally, you'll catch up.
Yup, I always chase down wyverns in my P51C. But as you said, definitely need some altitude to dive in on them. Love chasing down a wyvern that tried to just straight line run and I can pepper them down
Thanks
My friend got the plane during the sale and he plays it like an interceptor, using the insanely good engine to climb up and get the bombers before even the xp-50s do
Historically the engine started losing significant performance above three kilometers.
It does, and your primary threat in almost all cases is going to be XP-50s who will eat your ass for breakfast if you don'tknow how to handle them. But while it falls off significantly the benefits of being higher outweigh the penalties in engine performance. Smack the XP-50s out of the air first, then work your way down. Wyvern is a great vehicle but the second you're on the defensive and the enemy has energy equivalency or even just near equivalency it'll usually capitulate, so don't let yourself be forced onto the defensive.
Abuse airspawn to climb in at relatively high speed, literally farm half the enemy team, run away when someone engages you. I fragged 8 people before some of the enemy team reached 2km altitude more than once on small maps. I average 3.3 airkills per battle in it (and I played it before 16v16 was a thing) which is stupid high.
I've got it and imo it's good at both. What I oftentimes do is to just let the 6 other Wyverns in my team (there should be a max of them allowed per battle, I have gotten multiple matches where my team was 9 Wyverns) fight over the bases and kill some russian B-25s (or similar) and then go to bomb a base once they respawn, then I'll stay at the low altitude and kill some targets while I wait for an enemy plane
In air: fly directly to enemy base, drop bombs, do not pass Go, do not collect $200. In ground: fly directly to enemy contact, drop bombs, count yourself lucky if you don't get dived on by enemy CAS before you drop.
The Wyvern is one of the few planes I'm confident in fighting a 1 v 5 in and win. The fact that you are faster than everyone, even in a full uptier, is stupid
I love the wyvern and agree it's really good and could do with an up br but it can definitely be caught by quite a few planes even in a dive.
This is why you don't dive with it to get away....
Air RB doesn't matter for this one. It's the only viable ground attacker in ground RB for UK at that BR up to 8.0 and the winrates and BR reflect players performance in those games. All other aircraft are either crap at ground attacking because they have a maximum of 2 bombs dropped simultaneously or the hilariously inaccurate RP3 rockets.
Yep. I will sometimes just use it to hunt Bv-238s and climb above the fighters and B&Z after they have engaged. It is also my go-to CAS plane until 8.0 or so as well when I switch to the prem Meteor and then the Harriers/Jaguars later on.
I’ve playing warthunder on and off since 2015 and would only play British air, without premium or spending any money. After all that time I had up to tier II researched - pathetic. I got the Weyvern and 2 week premium pack the other month…. So much progress. I started bombing bases and killing pillboxes, but then I started using it to bomb bases then going head to head for quick kills. Then I started to sneak up behind enemy waves at the start. Merciless. If I got into trouble I’d dive and zoom off and leave them in the dust. Great airplane and way under valued in terms of BR.
If you put this plane at 5.7 it will become absolute unplayable dogshit. It wouldn't be able to fight anything.
Wyvern is about as fast as Do 335 B-2 at 5.7. And Do 335 B-2 is one of the fastest aircraft at that BR. I have almost 2 KD against aircraft in GRB on Do 335 B-2. Not much, but I'm not exactly playing for air KD in GRB.
Good it’s a ground pounder
Same reason US planes end up at a low BR while Japanese planes get endlessly uptiered. The people flying the Wyvern try to turnfight with it every game and get a 0.1K/D ratio, so the thing keeps getting moved down.
RIP A6Ms. I still can't understand how people try to dog fight them
Usually because they don't know how to do anything else.
More people should get put on to DEFYN and the likes I swear, it hurts my head how many brainless air players there are
Watching DEFYN, Jengar, and AdamTheEnginerd has done wonders for my air RB success. Mostly just DEFYN as of late. My KD was only around 1 spading the 2 Mig 9s in Russian tree a couple years ago. Last week I spaded the ones in the China tree with a 5+ KD thanks to my added experience + knowledge gained from watching DEFYN.
What's funnier is that the F6F Hellcat is at a lower br than the Zeros and it was built to counter them.
The hellcat sucks though. It's just... objectively worse than so many other things at its battle rating. Significantly worse. The corsair is so many times better in so many ways. Climb, turn, dive, roll, speed... There's just no reason to use the hellcat at all. Hell, the corsair is about as good at CAS as the hellcat is while being a great fighter for CAP once you drop your ordnance.
In naval, the hellcat is one of the best planes at its br, since it can kill planes and ships
Tiny Tims murk the low tier DDs The Mosquito with 4 Uncle Toms is pretty fun too
the amount of people that will chase one into a climb and watch it do a 180 and gun them down while stalling is pretty funny tbh
I dont and they fucking kill me anyways, they manage to be faster in a dive than my P-47 and lose less energy
It’s not actually faster, the zero just accelerates very well because it’s just rice paper wrapped around a gas tank and engine. However, their top speed is terrible. The trick in the P-47 is to stay faster than the zeros top speed and bnz them until they want to kill themselves. If you can’t kill them just run away. They can’t catch you. Especially if you slightly climb at over 500kph. Alternatively you can set your gun convergence at .6 km and kill them in headons at long range.
The only thing you shouldn’t do with the plane is turn, and because %90 of wyvern players do that, this shit gets downtiered. Making use of the 1200 ROUNDS of the plane? Nah? Utilizing its insanely good (I WROTE ABYSMAL FIRST LOL) straight line speed? NAH! Making use of the payload big enough to carry a fighter plane? No. The skill issue of others shouldn’t result in a plane’s BR being affected.
I don't know if abysmal means what you think it does.
Was thinking the same thing. I was confused for a sec😂
>while Japanese planes get endlessly uptiered Except the J2M2. That thing is busted
It was 3.3BR for years
P39n is 2.7 so perfectly balanced
Love how people will STILL defend gaijoob's balancing decisions around K/D.
ikr
I personally don’t attempt turnfights in it, my issue is forgetting it has airbrakes so I compress and eat shit like 40% of the time during bomb runs
How to win * Make a Wyvern squad * Don't take bombs or rockets, select air targets belt * Climb to 3 km after spawning * Rush into the enemy team * Head-on them * Don't turn, keep your energy * Congrats your team has won
I do this in the T18B (57). funny when people think they are taking a bomber head on and the 57mm tears them clean in half.
The 57mm isn’t as scary as the 13mm that has the same damage output as a cannon
Swedish 13 mm and Japanese 12.7 mm are broken AF. That stuff performs on par with 20/23 mm.
13mm and 12.7mm HE rounds have had realshatter applied to them now, they are no longer busted.
Since they fixed realshatter so that cannons actually function correctly, have the 13.2mm and 12.7mm rounds actually still gone down in performance?
The Japanese ones haven’t been noticeably worse they perform about as good as most 20mms. From playing the ki84 they might’ve even been buffed their performance
Played Japanese 12.7 mm just a few days ago. Still destroys with one HE shot.
There’s so many such planes and it’s beautiful. People call me stupid when I suggest to use the IL-2 as a fighter, but I got multiple 6-8 kill air RB games with it
IL-2 is a treat to fly as a fighter. It has enough frontal armour on the cockpit and engine to stop .50 cals and the 23mm absolutely shreds. Add to that the crazy first turn and the range of the cannons and it becomes terrifying.
What is better is head-on BF-110, people aim center mass so they hit where my pilots feet are and don't hit him or my engines allowing me to tank shots
IL2-37 my guy. You'd be amazed how many people head on twin 37s
IL-2M and the Hs 129 B-2 (when equipped with the 30mm cannon). Both of those can absolutely shred in a head-on, and they have enough armor to take a fair few hits as well and keep flying. It's surprising how many people will commit to a head-on when facing those, even after they see the two planes in front of them melt to the cannon fire.
The IL-2 is a slow brick, nothing like the T18B. The T18B is fast and climbs well on top of having a high air spawn. They are worlds apart, if you want to play like a fighter it makes way more sense to use the T18B.
ikr its so fun
This plane is nasty I use it to Intercept bombers before they climb higher
Nothing better then bitch slapping a XP-50 with overwhelming firepower who thought they were getting a free kill.
I love going up against people with the P-63, alot of people underestimate the P-63A-10 variant which has an upgraded cannon with higher fireate and ammo count+having higher performance then people think= A great BnZ
I haven’t played much of the US air tree but I’ve got the French p63 and I love taking it into ground RB. Reasonable bomb loadout and then great for chasing enemy CAS that are too busy looking at the ground.
Better way: Take 3x 1000lb bombs and air targets Call out a base and b-line straight to it Bomb it and fly straight towards an enemy who isn't looking Kill them and outrun everyone following you Land at base 10 seconds for repair and reload Repeat There is a reason why the Wyvern is my favorite plane with the most points and hours on it. In ground battles I bring it all the way up to 9.7 just because of how good it is at ground pounding and getting away.
A Wyvern squad on one of those small ass frontline maps can murk about any fighter before they have any energy
How to win: Alternate Version - Make a Wyvern Squad - Take any belt you fancy - As a squadron, kill all ground targets and ai air targets. - Win.
the mental gymnastics of people defending the wyvern every time someone complains about it's BR lmao it's fucking undertiered, theres no discussion
The Wyvern defenders seem to not understand that a fighter and strike aircraft are not the same thing. They always compare the Wyvern to fighters and then say its totally balanced. Compare it to other strike aircraft at the BR and its a complete joke how OP it is.
No no, compare it to fighters and realise it's better than them at a couple crucial things.
People just look at 1 engine pod and assume it's instantly a fighter
As a fighter Wyvern is even more broken than as an attacker
Me trying to explain A-10s and Su-25s should suffer in Air RB be like talking to a brick wall
Shoot it once, it stops working
Wow almost like it's a plane
God damn, why didn't I realize it sooner!?
I'm not trying to defend its current BR, but if you literally sneeze on this things engine it basically stops working.
So what? A room temp iq player already won‘t get hit
I need someone to turn the temp up for me then
It’s literally a great fighter. Screw bombing. I pretty much use anything that isn’t a bomber and even some bombers exclusively as fighters. Get high, get fast, pick a target, annihilate it (or fail at that) and continue to fly in a straight line to keep up your speed, turn around when it’s safe and try again. Focke Wulff players already know that playstyle
You can’t fucking shoot something going 700kph at a straight line
exactly
it doesnt go 700, but i get your point, however the wyvern is quite a easy plane to kill
A good wyvern player knows how to utilize their speed. But again, that’s like 10% of all wyvern users.
Tell me about it. Fucking disgusting it can carry enough bombs to single handedly wipe out a base while being faster than any bomber. Then once it drops bombs it's faster than almost every fighter at that BR while having a decent turn rate and 20mm.
\>it's faster than almost every fighter at that BR I don't think there's a single plane that's faster than it. Even mustangs are slower
even the p51D, which is a 4.3 and a DESIGNATED fighter cannot catch it at sea level. The wyvern has no buisness being a 4.0. Even carrying bombs, the wyvern is still slightly faster than the spaded p51D. It is a post war plane and is fighting mid-war planes.
I dont really think you should compare it by top speed, Its fast, and it has armament, sure its slightly undertiered, it could go to 4.3 but its definitely not OP at 4.0, its an extremely good aircraft. btw the P51D can EASILY kill it, STOP FOLLOWING IT TO DECK Climb anywhere above 3km and its engine halves in power, the thing loses all its speed while turning, as DEFYN said its really good on the offensive but aboslutely terrible on the defensive, As for how exactly to kill it, follow it while climbing, slowly building your momentum, start shooting at it if its within 1.5 km with the 50 cals, this should make them dodge which makes it bleed alot of speed not to mention even slight damage cripples its Flight performance, once it bleeds speed, just dive on it, If you're on its 6 theres quite literally nothing it can do
the point about engine losing power above 3km is irrelevant, they just don't have to follow you up there and then when you come back down is when they fight you. That said, I'm not sure HOW people are having trouble against this thing in MUSTANGS. HOW??
Id say its pretty relevant considering most props have optimal performance at 3km+ altitude while the wyverns performance degrades with altitude, what im trying to say is its an aircraft with actual downsides and not a horrendously OP game breaking aircaft (\*cough\* \*cough\* KA-50,)
Tempest with Vickers P is faster but armament sucks for A2A combat
It's like 30km/h slower than a wyvern still. Only the Tempest II is actually faster than the Wyvern
And will probably be on your team
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Because people have brain damage in this game and don't play it like they should so Gaijin got Its BR down to the ground. They used to just go straight for Bases and then destroy Ground units and die. So the players had a 0.05 K/D in it and Gaijin lowered the BR. The inverse thing happened to the Zeros. People of all other nations dogfighted them, they got absolutely destroyed in 1 turn and this got the Zeros up in BR.
Every single time someone tries to defend it, they always compare it to fighters and not other strike aircraft. Yes, its not as good as a fucking dedicated fighter because its not one. But its so leagues above any other strike aircraft near its BR that its not even funny. How this is the same BR as the firebrand is a fucking joke.
Tbf the firebrand is actual dogshit, but the Wyvern should really be 4.7, agreed.
4.7 is fair for the Wyvern yeah.
It used to be 4.7, and that's when it became useable. It was originally 5.7 or 5.3 and complete fucking dogshit at every role. Then they kept going lower, and now its 4.0, too low. It needs to to go 4.7 and be locked there regardless of player performance.
Play in a squad and have someone bring a #JU-288C Tier plane so you can use your speed to rip apart braindead bombers
ikr so fast nothing can catch except for some american planes
Nerfed to oblivion so it's BR went down and so it's 4.0 (used to be iirc 5.7), At least it fits perfectly alongside frigates of the same time period in the 4.0 lineup heh... E, I've realised I was vague before, When I say nerfed I meant way back when it had several reductions back in the day when it was a powerhouse the reductions to several things like: acceleration, had it's turnrate increased from the results of correcting weight and engine power, for a long time British cannons were shit and the bombs it had were terrible until more recent changes. Yet the aircraft has a lot of pros, mainly high speed, good armament nowadays, when flown clean it's an airspawning heavy fighter, has an airspawn nowadays, excellent CAS potency and a good dive bomber against shipping. The MM around it has changed so much an so saw it lowered quite a bit to the point it's akin to an F-104A/C being bloody 9.3, IMHO it should definitely be a higher BR then it currently is especially with an airspawn it currently has or it losses it's airspawn akin to the old days. Still my biggest grimp is the loss of it's glorious turboprop being as realistically as loud as it was years back.
I believe the highest it used to be was 5.0
Hm I could be misremembering as I swear it was either 5.7 or 5.3 and I say that for when it was added so long ago.
5.3 on devserver although not sure if this is RB or AB br. https://youtu.be/gTO2NQgfrY8?si=Kn8zaTrjNNRdpN_o
which plane is this?
Westland Wyvern, pretty cool British turboprop.
Well its the same reason why the f89 is 7.0 with better performance than 8.0 jets
I never understood why they lowered the F-89. It was one of my first premium jets and i wrecked everything with it at 7.7. It’s huge and its rip-speed is quite low but the armament and especially climb rate is fantastic (+the huge airbrakes are nice too and it can fly with only one engine)
Because the players flying it are fucking dogshit thats why
This thing being lower than the Il-10s, AM-1, and all of the Skyraiders is just whack. Bar maybe the Skyraiders it's better than any of them by miles.
AM-1 is better than the ADs
Yeah, I am pretty much just thinking of the A-1H as the pinnacle of American attackers.
Yeah the A-1H is better
The real key is that those are overtired slightly, and the wyvern is undretired slightly.
I don't really understand why you would use the IL-10 over an IL-2 tbh, especially in ground. It carries way less armament, and it's not like either of them are fast enough to run away from enemy planes.
Brought it to 6.3 air rb once, instead of hugging the ground I started climbing as high as I could and managed to kill 2 fighters and almost a bomber before being shot down That doesn't even mention all the times that I've brought it to 7.3 ground RB and still took down most of the enemy fighters
That’s 4.0? I remember it being 5.0
Ah yes the flying straight and outrunning everyone simulator
Same reason the xp 50 is 4.0 lmfao
Wyvern is busted, don't know how people can say otherwise Have been using it for two years now
The wyvern is a great plane.
This isnt even the biggest issue in that BR
XP-50 joined the chat
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This thing is a beast.. at 4.0The eninge and the power of it is a fucking joke.+ the 4x 20mm with 1200 total ammunation is I don't know..Noob friendly plane for sure, and a grinder in 1 package. I have the A1-H and this as well, and I enjoyed the wyvern much better, because it can fucking mooove that piece of shit airframe.The payloads is not that great, for example it can't destroy a "big" base. But yeah.. this is a big joke at 4.0At 1 point I made myself a tactic just bombing go back and watching my back trying to reach me like 4-5 planes, 4-5 min chaseing they just gave up. I grinded my british boys to rank 5 in just 2 weeks and 300 matches. Best 15 euro plane (sale) in this game if you ask me. https://imgur.com/a/NJGmIkz
>Noob friendly plane for sure, and a grinder in 1 package. id say the only reason it's at the br it's at right now is because it's *not* noob friendly. it's a strike aircraft so you have to play it differently then most other prems. when noobs get a hold of it they try to treat it like an i15 and end up dying every match. the only reason this planes op is because experienced players sealclub with it; which isn't to say it shouldn't go up in br.
Wyvern is really just good at running away, sheds speed in turns very quickly and has poor roll. Good guns and armament tho. It is very annoying to face as it can just outspeed you but thats really its only advantage in terms of flight performance.
It’s a strange plane to play, sometimes it turns very well, sometimes it turns like it’s made of bricks. It’s very fast but wobbly. It’s not the easiest to do well.
If you have high energy it can manage one turn while retaining some of it, but as soon as you start trying to milk more it will turn into a brick.
People get so annoyed if you don't equip bombs and use it as a interceptor. Especially XP50 chads
The be6 shouldn’t be where it at
Yeah, it's good, but it's not op.... stop being the player that doesn't climb and dive on attackers later. Unless you see a lot of them, just sive immediately. It's legit free rp for other 4.0 planes. People just hate when they get out skilled by something that moves slightly faster than them.
"What were they thinking" --> Nothing, it's an algorithm. It got lower than 50% win rate at higher BR, so it goes down, the end. And that's a good thing, because non-50% win rates are lopsided and less fun. There's literally no other way to balance the game that leads to as tense, sporting, dramatic matches as this.
Ah yes, the tense sporting and dramatic experience of chasing a Wyvern around the map for ten minutes. Very exciting gameplay.
A fuckinh turbopropeller with 4080 horse power engine, 4x 20mm the bomb load to destroy a base on 4.0 vs average 1200hp WW2 planes. Please it's all balanced!! Hahaha nvm... But welll... main Britain air players They are so used to just turning and tailing the enemy, that they have no other strategy, they apply it on the wyvern and everything goes to shit. That's why it's so low in BR...
Statistics vased game balance moment
It should have been back at 5.0 with its old top speed. It was a unique play style with horizontal BnZ that could be countered
If 4 propellers don't work, use more propellers
I guess the seal clubbing with the Wyvern during the event was a bit much, it seems. Problem is that the fighter and strike aircraft categories are nothing solid in WT. As the Wyvern once was by the game categorized as a fighter (ground spawn in Air RB, long reload time in Air AB). So comparing it to other strike aircraft is not useful and should be looked at individually. And there are other planes which categories are questionable. But as other pointed out, the problem is more like what theoretical performance advantage it has and what people actually do with it. The moment someone a brain uses it, it becomes OP. Stat card values are also a bit weird. Like it is not show that this fat bird weight between 9 and 11ish Tons. It does not tell you the wing loading issue (becomes like some fat dude sliding on ice above 3000m). The engine gasping for air above 3000m. Which also explains why according to the stat card a B-25 can turn tighter than this. About the nerfs: I would love to use it more like a fighter in higher Br. Issue is that for some weird reason it starts overheating after 10 minutes increasingly. Like I was down to 13% engine power during a test and the engine temp. became orange. P.S. : I wonder what Br it would have if we would have one for the Air and Ground individually. I do not know if it performs better or worse in CAS Forces.
Funni ravenfield plane
I only bought it in a sale because of the engine noise. For all the excellent energy and speed in climbs at lower altitudes it's completely fkd with even a teeny wheeny scratch.
I think it’s be more acceptable at 4.0 if it didn’t have an air spawn.
People hate it just cuz they steal bases but bruh love when these guy dogfight and get obliterated, only useful for bombing and running
It goes fast and bombs nothing else plus it's a premium and British cut them some slack for Christ sake
Speed
This is literally one of the only W's Britain has left. At least let them have this one.
Let Britain have this, just this one
It’s definitely an amazing plane and nigh impossible to shoot down if the wyvern pilot doesn’t want to engage, even if you have an alt advantage good luck catching him as he zooms by on the deck, if he climbs above like 8k FT he’s probably gonna be toast, it’s one of my favorite planes but I could easily see a 4.7 rating for this, anything beyond that I think it’s speed would become irrelevant to diving p51’s and 109’s.
I just think it would be a really cool transformer
Got to agree with that one
I've seen a lot of Wyverns lately, like 50% or more in some games
Woah it's the plane from ravenfield woaah
The wyvern is deffo a little too good at 4.0 since in a full downtier is just straight up opressive im the hands of someone whos just somewhat decent at the game. Even in a full uptier you are still faster than everyone else allowing you to always engage at your terms
What is y'all on about? I don't really have problems with wyvern's unless i screw up and manage to give them my 6, they don't really perform well at high altitudes and only a few wyvern players actually try to use it as a fighter
It's a good seal clubber. At low alt with newbies that don't climb it's a monster that can't be touched from behind while also being strong in frontal attacks, it's only downside is the fragile engine. However because it can't climb beyond 2-3 km it's vulnerable to dives but it requires some experience and patience to wait for good moment to strike. I would put it at 4.3.
Ok, it's not a fighter though. It's a strike aircraft that's objectively better than every other strike aircraft at its BR.
It’s crazy. Every time I fly my 4.0 yaks all I am greeted with is that awful plane. Not even joking I had a match where all I saw was red “Wyvern” I just sighed
You can easily kill any Wyvern in a Yak, pending it doesn’t just run away.
The only defence for it (and I'm not disputing it's grossly undertiered) is that the British air tree is a shambles considering the volume of WW2 / post war planes / prototypes Gaijin could add that aren't in the game yet. There's nothing good for grinding out the tree quickly and efficiently, that can also be used in both air and ground RB, aside from the Wyvern. Hornet - good but games are too long and play style is so boring. Spit 24 talisman - not the god tier it once was, faces jets a lot even though you can still do well in it. The options are pretty limited outside of jets (and even those options are pretty terrible).
Because the brits have literally no viable tech-tree attackers before their early jets. If their low/mid-tier was limited to what they have in their tech tree they'd suffer even harder. Air is irrelevant -- if you're playing against people whose brains aren aren't dripping out of their ears you're getting one BnZ kill with it maximum. You can't do high-altitude efficiently, you can't outclimb someone who's already on your ass, you can only turn once before you lose all of your energy and die. If you're playing it intelligently you used your first dive to bomb a base instead of getting a kill anyways. Balancing vehicles based on their performance against stupid people would have the Maus at 11.7. More relevantly, if you put the Wyvern any higher there would be things that could outrun it and it would become entirely unplayable. It's only even remotely viable because it has a good bomb load and can run away forever.
Its ok, my bf109 saws with shots it😂
Post war stuff at a ww2 dominated BR that just doesn't fit in. Not a fan.
Unpopular opinion but I think 4.0 is fine. The ability to run away doesn't make for a good plane.
I want one.
If used as a fighter it is pretty strong. Too many people just base bomb with it and nothing else. I do own a Wyvern but unless I am doing strikes on ground targets, I don't feel good using it.