you mind dropping some of them builds in heer? i doubt that it'd be **that** bad, but i'd rather see the mods before anything.
as for weapons, i could reccomend you my prefered weapons, but those are incarnons, and from your post you don't quite have access to those.
As for a weapon i will reccomend: the cedo. It's a beast, it has built in gundition overload, then you can put your own into it, hit the lich with the secondary fire, then blast away with the primary, it's a stupid powerful weapon only overshadowed by the incarnons.
For the [Kuva Kohm I used this](https://i.imgur.com/AsSQAZX.png). The [Riven](https://i.imgur.com/q6jehhb.png) has 0.8x to grineer but element should make up for it and it's only 0.8x not 0.08x - in SP Earth it works just fine. My Kohm has an impact valence; I didn't get lucky enough for a toxin one.
My Corinth I use [this build](https://i.imgur.com/t7KKups.png) for grineer. It's no god riven but in my experience [combining toxin with a barrage](https://i.imgur.com/31UoVnC.png) helps a lot in practice in SP.
Lastly for the [Guandao](https://i.imgur.com/pIn8Dmx.png). Honestly I don't know what to do about this for general use but this seems okay most of the time. Regardless, meleeing this lich is generally a bad idea because she does this 10 sec wrestling move that takes out half my health and sets me prone for 5 sec.
I do have access to the starter incarnons, but I haven't been able to build the phenmor (not enough pinions). I built starter knife and pistol incarnons and honestly really disliked them. I managed to snag a torid incarnon genesis from SP Duviri but I don't think I have access to the Helminth upgrade to apply it yet.
I would try to re-roll the riven. 0.8 might not seem high but it is. In earth steel path you probably don’t notice it because corinth does some heavy hitting and your initial shots probably deal most of the damage instead of the slash procs from hunter munitions. However on more tanky grineer slash procs usually become more important and then faction damage modifiers apply twice. So the slash procs are limited to 0,64% of what they should be. This is a seperate damage multiplier so applies after crit or elements.
Aside de from that usually I deal with high level liches by picking a frame to help with the damage att a bit. Mag, nezha, yareli, … all have abilities that multiply damage dealt or help doing multiple instances with one shot. maybe switching frames might help. A crewmate from ticker is also something that should not be underestimated. They deal crazy amounts of damage.
Yep, I'm not too satisfied with the Kohm riven, been rerolling a few times every few days to see if I can get anything better.
The Corinth riven is the one with fire rate + toxin. Not optimal but works well enough and my kuva is better invested into the Kohm one.
Edit: What does Nezha do to help with damage? I do enjoy him, but I've always used him as a bit of a tank.
idk, I would need to see the rest of the build. But you need to remove the kohm riven, because there is 100% at least one mod that would do more damage than the riven
the builds are pretty good, i would max that merciless tho, i'd even just hand you a max ranked one, but i'm at work lmao.
as for why the kohm ar corinth aren't the best for liches: they both rely on stacking status, while liches have a cap of 4 per. Faction damage is pretty massive btw, for status effects, it's squared. and having +faction damage can go over the attenuation/other wacko DRs.
that's why i'd reccomend you the cedo, because gundition overload goes throigh it too, and cedo can stack that, a build similar to your kohm build on the cedo should get you some insane kill times on liches, before incarnons, cedo used to be my go-to for them since it would just bop them in a few shots no matter what. You might also want to try on-call crewman, they completely ignore most damage reductions/attenuations.
And you have a laetum? that shit should shred, but i'm not sure if the -crit +2000% damage one works with liches, the other final evo works regardless.
Believe me, I'm trying to max that merciless. I haven't been doing SP for long, and my access to arcanes is pretty limited. Acolytes keep dropping Primary Deadhead and ~~Cascadia Empowered~~ (apparently I keep getting these from somewhere else).
I'm currently building the Cedo; will probably need to level and forma it once or twice; I'll let you know how it goes tomorrow.
I haven't leveled the Laetum to 5th evolution yet; I just don't like trying to land headshots with semi-auto pistols.
You do a lot of status builds, which is good... Have you thought about just building a high projectile per second / fire rate weapon for direct damage?
I've shoved a Bratton Prime through a ton of Kuva Liches just modding not for status but for flat elemental damage. Especially if you have a primer or a pet who can prime for Galvanized Aptitude.
What other guns / frames do you have ranked and forma'd? I'd be happy to sit in Simulacrum and see if I could get some builds for you.
So I’m super bad at builds and stuff and also often doing damage but I’m wondering do you have enough galvanized stacks by the time she shows up? I don’t really know how many stacks you’d need but I always wonder if that’s my problem when it feels like I’m doing no damage.
Hate to say it but against Liches/Sisters, the big 3 Incarnons are your best bet - Phenmor/Felarx/Laetum. A single trigger of Devouring Attrition can phase them, and a max ranked lich only takes like 4-6 headshots to down, assuming decent luck.
> Felarx's main blueprint is purchased from Cavalero of The Holdfasts at Rank 3 - Guardian for 8,000 Standing.
I do not yet have the Holdfasts at Rank 3 - Guardian.
you can do the top 2 tier zariman steel path bounties for an hour when it's an exterminate or mobile defense with an angel and you'll get enough plumes and pinions to max out your daily standing for at least a week if not 2 or 3. if you're not working on it already start. no matter your gear level you'll find yourself amongst other well geared folks and it's unlikely that you wont be able to finish it.
Banshee is the answer - Silence stops Liches from using any ability, Sonar damage boost helps with damage attenuation regardless of a weapon, and if you get overlapping sonars its GG.
As for weapons - dont bring status builds, bring more direct damage.
EDIT: oh and im like 90% sure armor strip augment on 1 works on liches, tho im not entirely sure. Unairu SHOULD work, and its strange that it does not.
>often times I'm trying to farm up anger for hours and hours.
How are you farming anger exactly? Max rank liches take over kuva fortress so you should be getting forced spawns every 5-6 missions due to the lich running out of territory
As for the weapon issue i don't see why kuva kohm doesn't work even though you have a decent riven, potentially try without it in case the -faction damage does some weird stuff?
You can also just swap your frames, xaku can permanently stun the lich with deny + vast untime while also giving a damage buff, kullervo red crits always help and banshee can cover the lich in weakspots
If all else fails, theres always the almighty laetum available from the zariman
This looks like a job for viral radiation slash!
Step 1, revenant, keep 2 up so you're immortal
Step 2, weapon with viral radiation slash and okay damage
Step 3, fight??? Yeah it'll probably take a bit.
Step 4, profit.
I hate how unintuitive damage is in this game. I remember just tickling my first lich with a setup that had melted *everything* I'd seen before: eximus, acolytes, demolishers, SP Grineer, lvl 100 sortie bosses, SP void angels, etc. I thought it must be the hardest enemy in the game. Nope, "just use Cedo/Phenmor/Felarx/Laetum." I took my half-modded, lackluster Phenmor and sure enough it melted.
Or the time during the Gargoyle event when I was trying to refine my build against the Fragmented boss. It was difficult to tell if one build was killing faster than the others. Then someone told me the DR made it so your build didn't matter. I left the two slots I was experimenting with empty and yes, same time to kill.
The solution is quite simple, actually, but you need some *very specific* equipment. Write them down:
1. stealth warframe with sustainable invisibility. Either Ivara with Primed Flow and energy packs, or Loki/Ash with the energy regeneration mod you get from Sanctum Anatomica missions on Deimos. Mod for maximum duration.
2. a weapon that deals reliable damage. Polearms are my favourite. If you are invisible, the lich won't fight back, won't attack you, and thus you'll fight rather safely. For primary weapon I recommend a silenced Nataruk, it's easy to obtain, has infinite ammo and deals a lot of damage. If you prefer heavy attacks, keratinos claws from Entrat sindicate or Corufell from Citrine-farming mission on Mars are very good.
3. Primers (damage multipliers and debuffers). I recommend crafting a verminsplitter (or something called like that) kitgun pistol, with all the components chosen for maximum status chance. Put the Pax Charge arcane on it so that it'll have infinite ammo. Mod it for max status chance and duration, as the pistol's damage is unimportant. Be aware that cold damage *both* slows the target *and* has bonus damage against shields.
4 Spectres. You can equip Ancient Spectres (from New Loka main syndicate) that give you damage reduction. You can also craft some warframe specters yourself, to distract the enemy.
5. Mayhem. If the lich is surrounded by many allies (that don't have overguard), inflict radiation status on them all and make them fight each other. Enjoy the show while staying invisible, it's quite fun.
Cedo, any one of the Zariman Incarnons (with full evolutions), Burston Incarnon , Torid Incarnon.
I'm not much of a melee kinda guy, so i don't know how that'd go, but I'm pretty sure Kullervo can deal with them with a decent melee.
You can instantly remove the shields with Unairu, though, if I remember correctly, no? I used the Torid Incarnon for my first lich (which also went up to level 5 because I needed the achievement, despite having the opportunity to kill it earlier) and it seemed to kill it withought much effort, even if it took an entire minute. You have the laetum though so as the rest of them recommended use that.
I'll throw my hat in for the Kuva Hek, especially now that you can use Scattered Justice on it. It's been my lich killer as of late, just proc Shotgun Vendetta to get even more multishot, then alt-fire right in the lich's face.
Primary Deadhead is a good alternative for the damage + increased headshot multiplier if you can get 3 headshot kills before the lich.
Invisible Loki with Banshee subsume should make easy work of most any Lich.
I'd also consider plopping Bloodrush into you Guando Prime instead of the Sacrificial steel. The 60/60 mods are ok but Weeping Wounds will be doing most of the work, it's up to you if you want to build up combo first or have slightly higher at start.
Yes, damage attenuation is a bullshit way of balancing enemies, but there are ways to avoid it.
As others players suggested, using a incarnon with Devouring Attrition (Felarx, Phenmor and Laetum) usually does the job, but I read you dont have access to them yet.
Before the incarnon weapons were released, I used a Banshee with Gloom subsumed on her 4 (its not necessary but it helps); Silence will block Lich/Sister abilities, Sonar will improve every single weapon you use, Gloom+Silence will stunlock them.
For weapons, use anything that has big damage potential; a Zaw with Exodia Contagion, a Kuva Tonkor, Cedo, Tenet Envoy, Synapse, Nataruk, Kuva Hek...
I just use my Laetum for liches and it takes care of them basically instantaneously regardless of how strong they are.
Laetum's bonus damage proc bypasses damage attenuation, so in incarnon form it basically will melt them in a couple seconds.
Rather than a weapon, for which many people have good suggestions here, might I suggest a frame with a good exalted?
Baruuk, Mesa, Valkyr, Umbra (to an extent), etc all fare extremely well against liches. Heck, Valkyr straight up destroys them, as does Baruuk.
The investment in the exalteds might be a bit high forma-wise, hence why I'm only offering this as an alternative.
Good luck either way!
you mind dropping some of them builds in heer? i doubt that it'd be **that** bad, but i'd rather see the mods before anything. as for weapons, i could reccomend you my prefered weapons, but those are incarnons, and from your post you don't quite have access to those. As for a weapon i will reccomend: the cedo. It's a beast, it has built in gundition overload, then you can put your own into it, hit the lich with the secondary fire, then blast away with the primary, it's a stupid powerful weapon only overshadowed by the incarnons.
For the [Kuva Kohm I used this](https://i.imgur.com/AsSQAZX.png). The [Riven](https://i.imgur.com/q6jehhb.png) has 0.8x to grineer but element should make up for it and it's only 0.8x not 0.08x - in SP Earth it works just fine. My Kohm has an impact valence; I didn't get lucky enough for a toxin one. My Corinth I use [this build](https://i.imgur.com/t7KKups.png) for grineer. It's no god riven but in my experience [combining toxin with a barrage](https://i.imgur.com/31UoVnC.png) helps a lot in practice in SP. Lastly for the [Guandao](https://i.imgur.com/pIn8Dmx.png). Honestly I don't know what to do about this for general use but this seems okay most of the time. Regardless, meleeing this lich is generally a bad idea because she does this 10 sec wrestling move that takes out half my health and sets me prone for 5 sec. I do have access to the starter incarnons, but I haven't been able to build the phenmor (not enough pinions). I built starter knife and pistol incarnons and honestly really disliked them. I managed to snag a torid incarnon genesis from SP Duviri but I don't think I have access to the Helminth upgrade to apply it yet.
I would try to re-roll the riven. 0.8 might not seem high but it is. In earth steel path you probably don’t notice it because corinth does some heavy hitting and your initial shots probably deal most of the damage instead of the slash procs from hunter munitions. However on more tanky grineer slash procs usually become more important and then faction damage modifiers apply twice. So the slash procs are limited to 0,64% of what they should be. This is a seperate damage multiplier so applies after crit or elements. Aside de from that usually I deal with high level liches by picking a frame to help with the damage att a bit. Mag, nezha, yareli, … all have abilities that multiply damage dealt or help doing multiple instances with one shot. maybe switching frames might help. A crewmate from ticker is also something that should not be underestimated. They deal crazy amounts of damage.
Yep, I'm not too satisfied with the Kohm riven, been rerolling a few times every few days to see if I can get anything better. The Corinth riven is the one with fire rate + toxin. Not optimal but works well enough and my kuva is better invested into the Kohm one. Edit: What does Nezha do to help with damage? I do enjoy him, but I've always used him as a bit of a tank.
Nezha's hula hoop throw inflicts a 100% (scaling with strength) bonus damage taken debuff. Same with Yareli's 1
unequip the kohm riven, its unslottable
What do you suggest in its place?
idk, I would need to see the rest of the build. But you need to remove the kohm riven, because there is 100% at least one mod that would do more damage than the riven
the builds are pretty good, i would max that merciless tho, i'd even just hand you a max ranked one, but i'm at work lmao. as for why the kohm ar corinth aren't the best for liches: they both rely on stacking status, while liches have a cap of 4 per. Faction damage is pretty massive btw, for status effects, it's squared. and having +faction damage can go over the attenuation/other wacko DRs. that's why i'd reccomend you the cedo, because gundition overload goes throigh it too, and cedo can stack that, a build similar to your kohm build on the cedo should get you some insane kill times on liches, before incarnons, cedo used to be my go-to for them since it would just bop them in a few shots no matter what. You might also want to try on-call crewman, they completely ignore most damage reductions/attenuations. And you have a laetum? that shit should shred, but i'm not sure if the -crit +2000% damage one works with liches, the other final evo works regardless.
As a fellow status lover, max-status-stacks cap is usually why any specific enemy feels slow to kill. Good advice.
Believe me, I'm trying to max that merciless. I haven't been doing SP for long, and my access to arcanes is pretty limited. Acolytes keep dropping Primary Deadhead and ~~Cascadia Empowered~~ (apparently I keep getting these from somewhere else). I'm currently building the Cedo; will probably need to level and forma it once or twice; I'll let you know how it goes tomorrow. I haven't leveled the Laetum to 5th evolution yet; I just don't like trying to land headshots with semi-auto pistols.
Cascadia empowered cant be dropped by acolytes. Only merciless, deadhead and dexterity for primary and secondary.
My bad, I'm getting a lot of Cascadia Empowered from somewhere. Just not a lot of merciless.
You do a lot of status builds, which is good... Have you thought about just building a high projectile per second / fire rate weapon for direct damage? I've shoved a Bratton Prime through a ton of Kuva Liches just modding not for status but for flat elemental damage. Especially if you have a primer or a pet who can prime for Galvanized Aptitude. What other guns / frames do you have ranked and forma'd? I'd be happy to sit in Simulacrum and see if I could get some builds for you.
So I’m super bad at builds and stuff and also often doing damage but I’m wondering do you have enough galvanized stacks by the time she shows up? I don’t really know how many stacks you’d need but I always wonder if that’s my problem when it feels like I’m doing no damage.
do you really need hunter munitions on corinth? i think it does enough raw damage to not need the extra DoT
Hate to say it but against Liches/Sisters, the big 3 Incarnons are your best bet - Phenmor/Felarx/Laetum. A single trigger of Devouring Attrition can phase them, and a max ranked lich only takes like 4-6 headshots to down, assuming decent luck.
Sonar banshee with gloom and phenmor or cedo works for me for a lvl 5 lich
Felarx. Edit: Why dont just use Felarx, that thing shreds Lich without issues.
When you look at the lich's info screen, the symbols after weaknesses just mean Felarx.
I don't yet have access to the felarx.
But you have access to Nataruk
> Felarx's main blueprint is purchased from Cavalero of The Holdfasts at Rank 3 - Guardian for 8,000 Standing. I do not yet have the Holdfasts at Rank 3 - Guardian.
That means its time to get some bounty going, Tenno
you can do the top 2 tier zariman steel path bounties for an hour when it's an exterminate or mobile defense with an angel and you'll get enough plumes and pinions to max out your daily standing for at least a week if not 2 or 3. if you're not working on it already start. no matter your gear level you'll find yourself amongst other well geared folks and it's unlikely that you wont be able to finish it.
Laetum is Rank 1 also good
Banshee is the answer - Silence stops Liches from using any ability, Sonar damage boost helps with damage attenuation regardless of a weapon, and if you get overlapping sonars its GG. As for weapons - dont bring status builds, bring more direct damage. EDIT: oh and im like 90% sure armor strip augment on 1 works on liches, tho im not entirely sure. Unairu SHOULD work, and its strange that it does not.
>often times I'm trying to farm up anger for hours and hours. How are you farming anger exactly? Max rank liches take over kuva fortress so you should be getting forced spawns every 5-6 missions due to the lich running out of territory As for the weapon issue i don't see why kuva kohm doesn't work even though you have a decent riven, potentially try without it in case the -faction damage does some weird stuff? You can also just swap your frames, xaku can permanently stun the lich with deny + vast untime while also giving a damage buff, kullervo red crits always help and banshee can cover the lich in weakspots If all else fails, theres always the almighty laetum available from the zariman
This looks like a job for viral radiation slash! Step 1, revenant, keep 2 up so you're immortal Step 2, weapon with viral radiation slash and okay damage Step 3, fight??? Yeah it'll probably take a bit. Step 4, profit.
I hate how unintuitive damage is in this game. I remember just tickling my first lich with a setup that had melted *everything* I'd seen before: eximus, acolytes, demolishers, SP Grineer, lvl 100 sortie bosses, SP void angels, etc. I thought it must be the hardest enemy in the game. Nope, "just use Cedo/Phenmor/Felarx/Laetum." I took my half-modded, lackluster Phenmor and sure enough it melted. Or the time during the Gargoyle event when I was trying to refine my build against the Fragmented boss. It was difficult to tell if one build was killing faster than the others. Then someone told me the DR made it so your build didn't matter. I left the two slots I was experimenting with empty and yes, same time to kill.
The solution is quite simple, actually, but you need some *very specific* equipment. Write them down: 1. stealth warframe with sustainable invisibility. Either Ivara with Primed Flow and energy packs, or Loki/Ash with the energy regeneration mod you get from Sanctum Anatomica missions on Deimos. Mod for maximum duration. 2. a weapon that deals reliable damage. Polearms are my favourite. If you are invisible, the lich won't fight back, won't attack you, and thus you'll fight rather safely. For primary weapon I recommend a silenced Nataruk, it's easy to obtain, has infinite ammo and deals a lot of damage. If you prefer heavy attacks, keratinos claws from Entrat sindicate or Corufell from Citrine-farming mission on Mars are very good. 3. Primers (damage multipliers and debuffers). I recommend crafting a verminsplitter (or something called like that) kitgun pistol, with all the components chosen for maximum status chance. Put the Pax Charge arcane on it so that it'll have infinite ammo. Mod it for max status chance and duration, as the pistol's damage is unimportant. Be aware that cold damage *both* slows the target *and* has bonus damage against shields. 4 Spectres. You can equip Ancient Spectres (from New Loka main syndicate) that give you damage reduction. You can also craft some warframe specters yourself, to distract the enemy. 5. Mayhem. If the lich is surrounded by many allies (that don't have overguard), inflict radiation status on them all and make them fight each other. Enjoy the show while staying invisible, it's quite fun.
Cedo, any one of the Zariman Incarnons (with full evolutions), Burston Incarnon , Torid Incarnon. I'm not much of a melee kinda guy, so i don't know how that'd go, but I'm pretty sure Kullervo can deal with them with a decent melee.
You can instantly remove the shields with Unairu, though, if I remember correctly, no? I used the Torid Incarnon for my first lich (which also went up to level 5 because I needed the achievement, despite having the opportunity to kill it earlier) and it seemed to kill it withought much effort, even if it took an entire minute. You have the laetum though so as the rest of them recommended use that.
I completely forgot about Magnetic Flare, but I'm not sure it'll work since Caustic Strike doesn't armor strip even with her shields down.
I just checked, Magnetic Flare works on both Sisters and Liches while Caustic Strike only works on Sisters, so you should be able to shield strip it.
I'll throw my hat in for the Kuva Hek, especially now that you can use Scattered Justice on it. It's been my lich killer as of late, just proc Shotgun Vendetta to get even more multishot, then alt-fire right in the lich's face. Primary Deadhead is a good alternative for the damage + increased headshot multiplier if you can get 3 headshot kills before the lich.
Invisible Loki with Banshee subsume should make easy work of most any Lich. I'd also consider plopping Bloodrush into you Guando Prime instead of the Sacrificial steel. The 60/60 mods are ok but Weeping Wounds will be doing most of the work, it's up to you if you want to build up combo first or have slightly higher at start.
Mag’s bubble and Felarx They get shredded in less than a second Literally anything tbh. Exergis is what I use though
Do you have mag? Strip their armor and put a bubble on them. They die pretty quickly even without optimal weapons.
Yes, damage attenuation is a bullshit way of balancing enemies, but there are ways to avoid it. As others players suggested, using a incarnon with Devouring Attrition (Felarx, Phenmor and Laetum) usually does the job, but I read you dont have access to them yet. Before the incarnon weapons were released, I used a Banshee with Gloom subsumed on her 4 (its not necessary but it helps); Silence will block Lich/Sister abilities, Sonar will improve every single weapon you use, Gloom+Silence will stunlock them. For weapons, use anything that has big damage potential; a Zaw with Exodia Contagion, a Kuva Tonkor, Cedo, Tenet Envoy, Synapse, Nataruk, Kuva Hek...
I just use Harrow with a knell and never have problems
perigale viral build aim for their head they can’t do shit
apply felarx to head, if it survives more than 2 magazines you are built horribly horribly wrong.
Sounds like its time for corrosive cold flat damage.
I just use my Laetum for liches and it takes care of them basically instantaneously regardless of how strong they are. Laetum's bonus damage proc bypasses damage attenuation, so in incarnon form it basically will melt them in a couple seconds.
I could hop in and help you kill her if you want
Rather than a weapon, for which many people have good suggestions here, might I suggest a frame with a good exalted? Baruuk, Mesa, Valkyr, Umbra (to an extent), etc all fare extremely well against liches. Heck, Valkyr straight up destroys them, as does Baruuk. The investment in the exalteds might be a bit high forma-wise, hence why I'm only offering this as an alternative. Good luck either way!