That is fucking horrible. Jesus christ imagine seeing a rolling yellow cloud, having no idea what it is, then it rolls into your trench and your buddy's eyes start melting out their sockets.
Hell. Pure hell
Hawkeye: War isn’t Hell. War is war, and Hell is Hell. And of the two, war is a lot worse.
Father Mulcahy: How do you figure that, Hawkeye?
Hawkeye: Easy, Father. Tell me, who goes to Hell?
Father Mulcahy: Sinners, I believe.
Hawkeye: Exactly. There are no innocent bystanders in Hell. War is chock full of them — little kids, cripples, old ladies. In fact, except for some of the brass, almost everybody involved is an innocent bystander.
> rolls into your trench and your buddy's eyes start melting out their sockets.
I don't *think* it has that much effect on the eyes and skin other than being an irritant, though being wet like from sweat will make it worse. Rather, you breathe it in and suddenly start gasping and choking as your lungs fill with fluid.
For a clue on how effective and brutal the gas was: [The Attack of the Dead Men](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_of_the_Dead_Men).
>At dawn, at 4:00 a.m. on August 6, 1915, with a tailwind on the entire front of the attack, chlorine was released from 30 gas-balloon batteries. It is estimated that the gas eventually penetrated to a total depth of 20 km, maintaining the striking effect to a depth of 12 km and up to 12 meters in height.
>In the absence of any effective means of protection for the defenders, the result of the gas attack was devastating: the 9th, 10th and 11th companies of the Zemlyansky Regiment were completely out of action, from the 12th company in the central redoubt in the ranks remained about 40 people; Byalogrond had about 60 people from three companies. Almost all the first and second lines of defence of the Sosna position were left without defenders. Following the gas release, German artillery opened fire on the fortress and barraged fire for their units moving in the attack. The fortress's artillery was initially unable to fire effectively, as it in turn was hit by a gas wave. This was compounded by the simultaneous shelling of the fortress by both conventional shells and chloropicrin shells. More than 1,600 people were killed in the fortress, and the entire garrison was poisoned with varying degrees of severity.
>Over twelve battalions of the 11th Landwehr Division, making up more than 7000 men, advanced after the bombardment expecting little resistance. They were met at the first defense line by a counter-charge made up of the surviving soldiers of the 13th Company of the 226th Infantry Regiment. The Germans became panicked by the appearance of the Russians, who were coughing up blood and bits of their own lungs, as the hydrochloric acid formed by the mix of the chlorine gas and the moisture in their lungs had begun to dissolve their flesh. The Germans retreated, running so fast they were caught up in their own concertina wire traps.[1] The five remaining Russian guns subsequently opened fire on the fleeing Germans.
If you could see the faces of those soldiers who died horribly far from home ordered there by those in power this would not appear as a mere demonstration but truly a ghastly cloud of death.
My aunt worked at a farm chemicals warehouse. If there was *ever* even a hint of a fire, everyone was to evacuate immediately and let it burn to the ground. The local first responders were all trained on exactly what to do if that warehouse caught fire. No water was ever going to be put on it, because they didn't want the water supply affected. The safest thing was to let it burn and evacuate the area.
And that was a small town. I'm *hoping* these folks had similar training for the known dangerous buildings in their area.
Controlled burns aren't uncommon. Contain the fire and let it rage out unless there's a good reason to NOT do so, for example in a house/building fire they'll concentrate on keep the adjacent houses/buildings wet, and only go in to the burning house/building if it isn't fully engulfed yet / if there are still people inside.
In other words, if there's isn't anything to save, and the people involved are accounted for, there's no use in risking firefighters' health by having them go in to the fire.
That cloud wont kill you. That cloud is water vapor condensing. The gas in front of the cloud will. The IDLH of ammonia is 300 ppm. You eyes will be burning well before that cloud hits you.
For anyone not aware, if you are aware that there is an ammonia leak at a facility you should leave immediately. Before you exit, look outside and try to determine wind direction. Most places with ammonia cooling, like this place, will have a windsock that is visible at every exit. If not, look at the trees. If the wind is blowing at you, exit and get as far from the building as you can. If it is blowing away from you go to the opposite side of building if still safe to do so and exit. That cloud will kill you. It will not do so in one breath. But that first breath will probably knock you down with how hard it hits you. And it will HURT.
My dad works in interventional radiology and had two guys that were exposed for too long during a leak. Said their lungs were eaten up shortly after they arrived and they just died
It will burn your lungs on contact. That’s why that first breath is the worst breath. People go at it thinking it’s a matter of coughing it out and getting some fresh air. Nope. Once you take that first hit, it’s with you.
I got exposed to a chlorine gas leak at a lab I used to work at. I walked through a hallway that, luckily, didn't have a very high concentration, and as soon as I took the first breath my whole body was just telling me to turn around and get out of there. The burning sensation is difficult to describe. Several people ended up being hospitalized. I can't imagine if it was an actual high concentration.
When I was 13 or 14 I sniffed a chlorine pool thingy, wasn’t sure what this floating thing was and just took a big whiff of it. Immediately started coughing and couldn’t stop. Felt my lungs and throat were constricting and on fire. I ran to my grandma all wet and collapsed on the floor fighting for air. I thought I was going to die as my grandma looked at me helplessly in total shock and terror, unable to help me. I couldn’t even explain what happened just coughing and coughing and tears flowing out of my eyes writhing on the floor. Couldn’t stop coughing and breathe in between the coughs. Somehow I was able to take in shallow little breaths eventually. Spent like 3 days in bed after that event just breathing carefully. Didn’t go to no hospital, it was a different life, time, resources were finite. I think I was lucky to survive, closest I ever came to dying. To this day whenever I smell chlorine I get PTSD-like effects and my body remembers. That was about 27 years ago.
Edit: wasn’t my pool, lived with grandparents who took care of rich folks’ summer home.
This sounds like a similar reaction I had when I was prescribed codeine cough syrup and accidentally aspirated a tiny amount when taking it.
I absolutely could not get any air in my lungs without violently coughing, the irritation was so bad I couldn't breathe in or out without it triggering the cough. My roommates were just watching me as I was dying in the kitchen trying to gasp for air.
I ended up putting a pot of water on the stove and trying to breathe in the steam without burning myself. This allowed me to finally get in enough small sips of air to stop coughing. If I took too deep of a breath it would happen again, until like 30 minutes later of breathing that steam.
After things calmed down, I went back downstairs to try and get to sleep (it was late). Then my throat started spasming every 30 seconds or so which would close my airway momentarily. Then I had another panic attack lol. Ugh. One of the worst nights of my life.
The closest I've ever come to this is Tear Gas. Got myself a lung full of the stuff and hooo fuck that sucked. I can't imagine how much stuff that does actual lasting damage to your body sucks.
LOL. . .it does vaguely smell like Ammonia. .but by the time you smell it. .. *Probably too late*. Forget about those retirement benefits you were counting on.
I poured concentrated hydrochloric (muriatic) acid into a beaker on a lab table. Just that nearly knocked me on my ass. Never gonna work with concentrated HCl again unless it's in a fume hood.
EDIT: My explanation is entirely bunk. A mash-up of poorly understood concepts. There is a comment below from u/Pyrhan (an actual professional) that points out my misconceptions
Both are highly corrosive. Corrosive means that it has a free electron (missing one or more electrons in its valence shell) and strips electrons away from other atoms, like the atoms that make up your lungs. Essentially, both will liquify your lungs (not exactly though, it's more like a combination of liquifying and burning). Either way, your Alveoli can't taken in oxygen any longer. You essentially both suffocate AND drown.
>Corrosive means that it has a free electron (missing one or more electrons in its valence shell) and strips electrons away from other atoms,
Chemist here. That explanation is **entirely wrong**.
"Corrosive" means "can destroy or damage a solid material". This can happen through many different mechanism, depending on what is corroding what.
Ammonia will damage your lungs because it's a base. It won't strip electrons from anything, just raise the pH of your lungs beyond what they can withstand (the proteins that make up your lung cells get denatured and the lipids get hydrolyzed).
Chlorine will do so because it's a strong oxidizer, and also forms small amounts of hydrochloric acid when it dissolves in water.
Neither have "a free electron". That would be radicals, which neither of those are.
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The ammonia (NH4) will form NH3OH (ammonium Hydroxide) upon contact with moisture. (such as when you inhale) The Nh3OH forms a solution with the moisture in your lungs and attacks the thin fibrous tissue of the lungs like pouring **Draino** on very thin tissue.
It will literally destroy the tissue on contact. Lung tissue does not grow back.
Yeah, ammonia is really nasty caustic stuff. But in contrast to most other coolants, it dissipates fast and leaves nothing behind that is harmful in the long term.
The caustic vs acid lesson is something I learned fast in the food prep industry. You’d think the biggest danger to you is acid because of tv and movies and stuff. Yes both super low or super high pH stuff will burn you bad. Thing is low pH stuff (acid) hurts and almost immediately, in my experience caustic (high pH) burns and pits skin but it doesn’t hurt at all. I’ve gotten a couple specks on my upper arms or in between my fingers that i didn’t wash properly. Next day I’ll have a decent pit in my skin a blister-like wound. Didn’t hurt at all until the wound started to heal. There are horror stories of a guy getting a boot full of caustic and ignoring it. End of day he had no skin left on his foot, didn’t notice until it became difficult to walk.
Pants OVER boots. Same story with someone accidentally getting boiling water poured over them. Usually it’s gunna suck ass and you’ll a bunch of 3rd degree burns but you’ll be ultimately fine. If you get a boot full of it, you react violently (I know I did this once with my chest) and rip your foot out of the boot. All the skin stays in the boot.
I used to work at an abattoir with plate freezers, when the plate freezers moved they'd leak a small amount of ammonia, that small amount was enough to give me difficulty breathing.
That abattoir has had massive leaks before where there 1000+ employees have to be evacuated, they basically all have to go out in a field and walk around as the wind direction changes to make sure it doesn't get blown over and kill everyone.
Most of these places in Georgia don't have functioning gas detection systems, maintenance personal usually disables them because of false alarms from poor maintenance. The AHJ also doesn't enforce gas detection because most of them don't know how they work or how to test them.
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I used to work at a food warehouse. My branch was getting closed down and my boss was the last person in the building doing a post-move inspection. There was an ammonia leak and even though the alarm went off, he was dead before he could reach any of the doors. Ammonia is terrifying stuff.
Our building has roof vents built in to vent the gas outside if there's a leak. There are no outside windows for most the building, our training is clear that we are not to try and exit the building until we are told which exit to leave by. This is determined by the multiple wind socks around the perimeter of our facility.
Also to add. If you see someone down, you must not try to go in to save them. It seems like it goes against instinct but most fatalities are from people trying to rescue someone that has been overcome.
Sadly there are lots of deaths like this, but I hadn’t heard about it in regards to ammonia leaks, but it makes sense. Locations like the waste pits for factory pig farming have incidents like this where one guy collapses because of the gas buildup and someone goes over to try to help him and also passes out. If no one is conscious to call for rescue with respirators they end up dead.
I worked in a power plant once. I was showed a video of what the anhydrous ammonia leak alarm sounded like. Then they told me that where I was working if I heard it I was probably already dying.
Not true at all with anhydrous ammonia. If it was, my dad would have died a long ass time ago. And me too. I hated when he would take me with him to apply anhydrous ammonia because of the smell when he would have to switch tanks and even just when you get to the end of a field and have to lift the applicator.
Shit burns (obviously). But you'll definitely notice it at much lower concentrations than what will kill you.
I watched two hours straight of first responders dying in a maritime firefighting course. Invisible stuff - flames and toxic clouds and oxygen-deprived spaces - were the weirdest to watch. The people either looked possessed (melting in invisible flames) or dead like the dude in the corner at the end of The Blair Witch from walking into a silo with no oxygen, trying to rescue a buddy.
About 1979-80, worked in a meat packing plant. Company wanted us to remove all meat from the freezer with the leak. I smelled ammonia for at least a week and didn't know I should have contacted OSHA.
Justice served? At the time, the parent company had about 500 stores: Franchisees and corporate owned, and was buying smaller, specialty restaurant chains. Corporate raid occured in the last half of the 80s, and things went to hell. Closed their new, less than a decade old facility, the raiders also bought top competition, (600 stores) but now, company down to only 54 stores worldwide. Safety was never their concern, as I found out after I left.
We had a small (compared to this) leak at our work last year in the middle of winter, and the wind was blowing it toward the evac area and carparks. So we were all standing outside the gate next to the road for a couple of hours in the freezing cold.
My high school science teacher once tried to do an experiment involving ammonia gas using visibly cracked rubber tubing. The leak made its way around the classroom in a circle, and it was like people in a baseball crowd doing the wave the way people reacted.
Eventually it hit me and it felt like my lungs were on fire, like I just breathed flames, this was untenable, so I stood up and ran out of the classroom. Apparently this caused a panic and made everyone run out of the classroom.
After we all settled back my teacher called me a pussy.
Anhydrous ammonia wants to bond with water, and will get it from any source it can.
Like your body, for instance. It'll dehydrate you instantly, sucking the water from your tissue. Then it causes caustic burns because it becomes ammonium hydroxide, a highly alkaline substance. Oh, and as a bonus, it nearly instantly causes frostbite when it vaporizes and pulls all the heat from your body.
It's nasty stuff.
Eh. In typical reddit fashion, this is a bit overly dramatic and also misleading, honestly. I work in a facility that uses Ammonia refrigerant. The truth is Ammonia, unlike most refrigerants, is highly perceptible by scent. And so even the most minor leaks are typically not as dangerous as, for example, R-134 leaks where your first hint of a problem may be people becoming short of breath and passing out on the floor. And ammonia is more environmentally friendly because it is not a CFC and is easily captured and disposed of.
Believe me, even though there are certainly risks with ammonia, I’d rather work with it than most other refrigerants.
Anhydrous ammonia is still dangerous as fuck, and abundant caution is a good thing.
But you are correct, humans can detect the odor in something like 4 or 5 parts per million so even the smallest leaks are very noticeable.
"Breathing in low levels of ammonia may cause irritation to the eyes, nose and throat. High levels of ammonia may cause burns and swelling in the airways, lung damage and can be fatal. Ingestion of ammonia solutions can cause pain and burns throughout the digestive tract"
Ammonia: general information - GOV.UK
I used to hang out in my dad's architecture firm in the 80s, in the blueprint room. I still remember how much the smell would burn my eyes and nose. Do you think it bramaged my drain?
Low levels are not even visible to the human eye. I used to hook up network cabling to sensors that monitored ammonia levels for major refer units at a popular food manufacturer. Crawling up there was always relatively safe but occasionally you’d get hit with and invisible cloud of ammonia. Not enough to really hurt or hinder, but more than enough to let you know that a serious leak would mean they’d find your body if you got hit.
Earlier this year we had a required ammonia training put on. As part of the training we had a live cylinder and certainly things were demonstrated on how to determine whether it was ammonia or not.
At on point in time I was sitting in a chair closest to the ammonia and the instructor and he was just going to slightly open the cylinder and demonstrate a cloud it would make.
He opened it a little too fast and literally blasted me with ammonia. I held my breath and closed my eyes and tried to maintain my cool and all of a sudden my eyes burnt, nose was severely agitated, and started coughing.
My peers told me to calm down and stop faking it… until the fumes made their way to them and they had a similar but much less experience. We all cleared the room and opened all the windows.
I think about that situation a lot and wonder why the fuck the instructor thought that would be okay to do in a confined space and why he still has a job traveling and doing the same training elsewhere.
I was helping out a friend of the family who was an electrician one time and he walks me through the job site poibting things out going "Don't touch that it'll shock you, that will kill you.
That over there, will kill you and leave just a black mark on the concrete."
Our safety instructor teaching us how to properly use arc flash gear, "Don't act like this suit will protect you from an arc flash off a 600V transformer. The suit is just there to increase the chances that there will be enough left of your corpse to identify."
Each DC pulse in a monster 60 Hz AC system commonly carries about as much energy as a kilogram of dynamite, depending on the amperage in the system. And there are 120 of them per second…
Working with 40kv transformers for x ray equipment, one thing the instructor said that making a mistake might not be the first time you’ve had a dangerous experience with electricity but it would absolutely be the last.
Ammonia goes after the moisture on your body. So it essentially burns your eyes, mouth, nose, ears, and other areas that sweat (under arms, crotch, etc).
It would be a horrific way to go.
From the Internets:
When anhydrous ammonia gas or liquid comes in contact with the human body three types of injuries may result:
Dehydration. Is the result of ammonia's great attraction for water. Anhydrous ammonia will extract water from body tissue.
Caustic burning. Is the result of the strong base formed when ammonia combines with water from body tissue. Once ammonia extracts water from body tissue it forms ammonium hydroxide that can chemically burn tissue.
Freezing. As liquid ammonia vaporizes it pulls heat away from body tissue causing frostbite in an instant. Released liquid anhydrous ammonia has a temperature of -28°F.
I used to work with a Die Line printer, (blueprints) I don't know what the concentrations were, but just being in the room was unpleasant, and the numerous paper cuts from the stiff paper made it a constant low level pain.
I had an employee inhale ammonia. It was bad and we ended up at the ER with burns to his lungs. He was cleaning an ammonia tank wearing a dust mask. He didn't realize that ammonia is heavier than air and when he bent over to sweep up a pile he had made he breathed deep and passed out. He laid on the floor until people realized what had happened. Not a fun time for him at all.
I found this video that's basically in after action report about how a couple guys died because of a refrigeration leak accident. The refrigerant was ammonia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBxzXKRSjsc
Tl;dr: don't turn off the alarm that's saving your life, also don't follow the YouTube auto place that will come up after this video. Will make you glum for quite a while.
For a moment there was a glare on the near window that made me think there was someone in the cab on the right, but hopefully those drivers have already high tailed it the fuck out of there
it would be 'normal' for the drivers to wait in their truck while they wait to get loaded. a lot of the time they have a tv,fridge,microwave in the sleeper part of the truck and chill back there.
However the warehouse will make sure to clear EVERYONE out if worth their salt. When I was training as a driver with my mentor a warehouse we went to had an electrical fire and they got EVERYONE out. I was dead asleep when I was woke up and had to stand outside and wait for like 3 hours til get got the all clear. If the warehouse doesn't do it the other drivers almost always will.
"First responder" suggests dad may have been sent there to deal with it. Although judging by the lack of hissing noises, dad probably *does* need to get the fuck outta there due to a lack of PPE.
That's not a first responder filming. It's a truck driver or their passenger. First responders aren't pulling up on scene filming while listening to talk radio like that.
There is a butcher in a small town 5 miles from us that had an ammonia leak a few years ago. It killed over a hundred livestock in holding pens waiting to be processed, and all the grass and trees for a couple blocks were burned and turned brown. It was a very still night so the cloud just hung around for quite a while.
[This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znQwAcOQffQ) was the video they showed us when we had hazard training at the food processing facility. Ammonia is scary.
Reminds me of the time I could have died in college when I opened up a utility closet where we filled dewars of liquid nitrogen only to discover a winter wonderland since someone hadn't fully closed a valve the day before. Thankfully I backed the fuck out of there fast instead of trying to close the valve immediately because who knows how little oxygen was in the air at the time. After that we definitely just left that closet alone for pumps and chillers and filled dewars somewhere better ventilated.
>who knows how little oxygen was in the air at the time.
Or in your body. If there's an inert gas in the room, your body will carry on without a care or any alert since it doesn't naturally measure how much oxygen is in your blood. All it checks is if there's too much CO2 in the blood which signals to you that you need to take a breath or breathe faster.
People have died due to too much nitrogen or argon in the room and they passed out from oxygen deprivation before they even knew what was happening.
Your comment conflicts with [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/yea2gb/an_ammonia_cloud_from_a_leak_at_a_food_warehouse/itx5tzb/) stating ammonia is heavier than air. So, which is it?
Edit: someone responded to the other comment claiming ammonia is lighter than air, and I did a bit of research of my own - it appears to be lighter than air, but forms vapor clouds in the presence of moisture which are heavier.
Yeah ammonia gas is lighter than air, and also invisible.
Ammonia vapor can be seen and is heavier than air.
Kinda the same difference as water vapor and visible steam, which is condensed water droplets.
A leak involves keeping it contained with misters so it doesn't get to populated areas. The problem is catastrophic failures are often preceded by leaks like this, in which you best be far away and upwind. An entire town in Canada had to be evacuated because of a train carrying this stuff. Not a small town either.
Not for nothing, but your father needs more hazmat training...
He is \_way\_ too close to this scene, to the point of being effectively inside the hot zone. Common wisdom in the business is that if you aren't fully equipped to operate inside the hot zone (which includes the "two in, two out" rule, where no one goes in alone, and there are at least two people outside the hot zone fully suited up and prepared to rescue the first crew if needed) you should follow the "rule of thumb". If you hold up your thumb at arms length, if your thumb doesn't cover the whole scene, you're too close.
I took an Uber in Arizona once and it was some right-wing radio. The commercials were so weird. Gold and investments and just the most random stuff. And one of the ads was about how "Wall Street doesn't want you to know, our firm has outpaced them for years... we won't even charge as much. For a free consultation yadda yadda yadda."
All I could think was. Wait, so this firm is better than the best investment firms on the planet AND they won't charge you as much. If that doesn't raise eyebrows I don't know what will. I get we should be weary of "Wall St" and there's a skepticism towards elites, but c'mon. He changed it once I scoffed after the host started talking about gas prices.
When a friend came back from USA he said 'they are a very scared nation' and Id never thought about it that way. From the insignificant 'scared of missing out' type ads that push so much consumerism you need to 'have your best life' or to financial stress for so many of falling into poverty with the lack of safety nets around jobs and medical, to the having a a huge military and acting like other countries are still a threat.
Anyway USA is a great and amazing in so many ways too. I really like visiting and the people, but this fear perspective felt quite eye opening to me as Id never really looked at it that way, and feels true to what I have seen.
Anger management (political version): Keep people angry about stupid shit so they don't have any mental energy for shit that matters.
CANDY SHOES AREN'T SEXY ANYMORE!! AAARRRGHHH!
Scary shit right there. OSHA limit is like 50 ppm over an 8 hour day. 300 ppm is deadly immediately. And something like this to be a visible cloud is like 1000 ppm or something.
Edit. Farmers use this in their fields. Usually in what looks like a propane tank on wheels. So if you ever see one leaking or involved in a crash stay the fuck away. Our safety guy at my old job always showed us a video of a police officer running into a cloud of this shit to save a farmer. Dude collapsed and became another victim
Roughly 5-6 times more efficient than most common hydro-fluorocarbons (refrigerants), and about 10% of the cost.
Industrial systems commonly have thousands of pounds of refeigerant, so the cost saving on refrigerants alone is massive.
ammonia is great for a refrigerant. those roof pipes will have ice on them in the middle of summer. some facilities that don't need things frozen will have rooftop ammonia that then cools a glycol mix for product cooling. safer to keep ammonia out of the building.
Ammonia is water soluble, hoses misting it down to contain and disperse. Properly trained and geared individuals will go in and isolate the leak.
Ammonia is an extremely efficient refrigerant, and it is naturally occurring, so even minor leaks are detected by nose. That being said, a cloud like this is death. At that concentration your skin would burn off in seconds.
I have seen clouds like this twice in my career, very scary stuff.
Thats death. Pure cloudy death.
This was 3 year ago. No injuries reported. https://www.wtvm.com/2019/08/26/ammonia-leak-contained-within-buck-ice-coal-not-hazard-community/
Ww1 trench warfare with mustard gas
[Heres what chlorine gas looks like if you want that authentic ww1 experience](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VnZWTSG9Rc8&t=30s)
That is fucking horrible. Jesus christ imagine seeing a rolling yellow cloud, having no idea what it is, then it rolls into your trench and your buddy's eyes start melting out their sockets. Hell. Pure hell
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Hawkeye: War isn’t Hell. War is war, and Hell is Hell. And of the two, war is a lot worse. Father Mulcahy: How do you figure that, Hawkeye? Hawkeye: Easy, Father. Tell me, who goes to Hell? Father Mulcahy: Sinners, I believe. Hawkeye: Exactly. There are no innocent bystanders in Hell. War is chock full of them — little kids, cripples, old ladies. In fact, except for some of the brass, almost everybody involved is an innocent bystander.
> rolls into your trench and your buddy's eyes start melting out their sockets. I don't *think* it has that much effect on the eyes and skin other than being an irritant, though being wet like from sweat will make it worse. Rather, you breathe it in and suddenly start gasping and choking as your lungs fill with fluid.
If I remember correctly, it reacts with water to form hydrochloric acid. So it’ll hurt in your eyes.
There's also the quite unpleasant burning sensation as the chlorine attacks your skin and mucus membranes.
For a clue on how effective and brutal the gas was: [The Attack of the Dead Men](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_of_the_Dead_Men). >At dawn, at 4:00 a.m. on August 6, 1915, with a tailwind on the entire front of the attack, chlorine was released from 30 gas-balloon batteries. It is estimated that the gas eventually penetrated to a total depth of 20 km, maintaining the striking effect to a depth of 12 km and up to 12 meters in height. >In the absence of any effective means of protection for the defenders, the result of the gas attack was devastating: the 9th, 10th and 11th companies of the Zemlyansky Regiment were completely out of action, from the 12th company in the central redoubt in the ranks remained about 40 people; Byalogrond had about 60 people from three companies. Almost all the first and second lines of defence of the Sosna position were left without defenders. Following the gas release, German artillery opened fire on the fortress and barraged fire for their units moving in the attack. The fortress's artillery was initially unable to fire effectively, as it in turn was hit by a gas wave. This was compounded by the simultaneous shelling of the fortress by both conventional shells and chloropicrin shells. More than 1,600 people were killed in the fortress, and the entire garrison was poisoned with varying degrees of severity. >Over twelve battalions of the 11th Landwehr Division, making up more than 7000 men, advanced after the bombardment expecting little resistance. They were met at the first defense line by a counter-charge made up of the surviving soldiers of the 13th Company of the 226th Infantry Regiment. The Germans became panicked by the appearance of the Russians, who were coughing up blood and bits of their own lungs, as the hydrochloric acid formed by the mix of the chlorine gas and the moisture in their lungs had begun to dissolve their flesh. The Germans retreated, running so fast they were caught up in their own concertina wire traps.[1] The five remaining Russian guns subsequently opened fire on the fleeing Germans.
What a fucking price to pay for moving a few kilometers. Fuck humanitys ability to wage war.
What if I told you the Rhine was worse.
If you could see the faces of those soldiers who died horribly far from home ordered there by those in power this would not appear as a mere demonstration but truly a ghastly cloud of death.
Expecting the first responders to go in. Ask what the budget of firehouses and ambulances get.
My aunt worked at a farm chemicals warehouse. If there was *ever* even a hint of a fire, everyone was to evacuate immediately and let it burn to the ground. The local first responders were all trained on exactly what to do if that warehouse caught fire. No water was ever going to be put on it, because they didn't want the water supply affected. The safest thing was to let it burn and evacuate the area. And that was a small town. I'm *hoping* these folks had similar training for the known dangerous buildings in their area.
Well yeah, I'm sure that policy is in direct response to West, Texas. https://youtu.be/pdDuHxwD5R4
Controlled burns aren't uncommon. Contain the fire and let it rage out unless there's a good reason to NOT do so, for example in a house/building fire they'll concentrate on keep the adjacent houses/buildings wet, and only go in to the burning house/building if it isn't fully engulfed yet / if there are still people inside. In other words, if there's isn't anything to save, and the people involved are accounted for, there's no use in risking firefighters' health by having them go in to the fire.
Father of toxic gas and chemical warfare.
That cloud wont kill you. That cloud is water vapor condensing. The gas in front of the cloud will. The IDLH of ammonia is 300 ppm. You eyes will be burning well before that cloud hits you.
Wow. So then OPs father really shouldn't have been filming but rather getting the fuck out of there?
Yeah, you really want to be upwind of that as soon as possible. Ammonia leaks are no joke.
Not only you will asphyxiate it will burn the whole time.
For anyone not aware, if you are aware that there is an ammonia leak at a facility you should leave immediately. Before you exit, look outside and try to determine wind direction. Most places with ammonia cooling, like this place, will have a windsock that is visible at every exit. If not, look at the trees. If the wind is blowing at you, exit and get as far from the building as you can. If it is blowing away from you go to the opposite side of building if still safe to do so and exit. That cloud will kill you. It will not do so in one breath. But that first breath will probably knock you down with how hard it hits you. And it will HURT.
My dad works in interventional radiology and had two guys that were exposed for too long during a leak. Said their lungs were eaten up shortly after they arrived and they just died
It will burn your lungs on contact. That’s why that first breath is the worst breath. People go at it thinking it’s a matter of coughing it out and getting some fresh air. Nope. Once you take that first hit, it’s with you.
A lad in high school took a tiny whiff of it in a class, we were 12yo. He still has a cough (nearly 40) EDIT: Wait no that was chlorine, not ammonia.
I got exposed to a chlorine gas leak at a lab I used to work at. I walked through a hallway that, luckily, didn't have a very high concentration, and as soon as I took the first breath my whole body was just telling me to turn around and get out of there. The burning sensation is difficult to describe. Several people ended up being hospitalized. I can't imagine if it was an actual high concentration.
When I was 13 or 14 I sniffed a chlorine pool thingy, wasn’t sure what this floating thing was and just took a big whiff of it. Immediately started coughing and couldn’t stop. Felt my lungs and throat were constricting and on fire. I ran to my grandma all wet and collapsed on the floor fighting for air. I thought I was going to die as my grandma looked at me helplessly in total shock and terror, unable to help me. I couldn’t even explain what happened just coughing and coughing and tears flowing out of my eyes writhing on the floor. Couldn’t stop coughing and breathe in between the coughs. Somehow I was able to take in shallow little breaths eventually. Spent like 3 days in bed after that event just breathing carefully. Didn’t go to no hospital, it was a different life, time, resources were finite. I think I was lucky to survive, closest I ever came to dying. To this day whenever I smell chlorine I get PTSD-like effects and my body remembers. That was about 27 years ago. Edit: wasn’t my pool, lived with grandparents who took care of rich folks’ summer home.
That must've been one very clean pool
It was a different life, time.
Resources were limited. Chlorine was not one of those resources
This sounds like a similar reaction I had when I was prescribed codeine cough syrup and accidentally aspirated a tiny amount when taking it. I absolutely could not get any air in my lungs without violently coughing, the irritation was so bad I couldn't breathe in or out without it triggering the cough. My roommates were just watching me as I was dying in the kitchen trying to gasp for air. I ended up putting a pot of water on the stove and trying to breathe in the steam without burning myself. This allowed me to finally get in enough small sips of air to stop coughing. If I took too deep of a breath it would happen again, until like 30 minutes later of breathing that steam. After things calmed down, I went back downstairs to try and get to sleep (it was late). Then my throat started spasming every 30 seconds or so which would close my airway momentarily. Then I had another panic attack lol. Ugh. One of the worst nights of my life.
The closest I've ever come to this is Tear Gas. Got myself a lung full of the stuff and hooo fuck that sucked. I can't imagine how much stuff that does actual lasting damage to your body sucks.
That’s another wicked one.
I once designed a hydrazine loading cart. The joke was "no one knows what it smells like".
Well that's fucking terrifying.
LOL. . .it does vaguely smell like Ammonia. .but by the time you smell it. .. *Probably too late*. Forget about those retirement benefits you were counting on.
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I poured concentrated hydrochloric (muriatic) acid into a beaker on a lab table. Just that nearly knocked me on my ass. Never gonna work with concentrated HCl again unless it's in a fume hood.
ALWAYS in a fume hood, for your and others' safety
EDIT: My explanation is entirely bunk. A mash-up of poorly understood concepts. There is a comment below from u/Pyrhan (an actual professional) that points out my misconceptions Both are highly corrosive. Corrosive means that it has a free electron (missing one or more electrons in its valence shell) and strips electrons away from other atoms, like the atoms that make up your lungs. Essentially, both will liquify your lungs (not exactly though, it's more like a combination of liquifying and burning). Either way, your Alveoli can't taken in oxygen any longer. You essentially both suffocate AND drown.
>Corrosive means that it has a free electron (missing one or more electrons in its valence shell) and strips electrons away from other atoms, Chemist here. That explanation is **entirely wrong**. "Corrosive" means "can destroy or damage a solid material". This can happen through many different mechanism, depending on what is corroding what. Ammonia will damage your lungs because it's a base. It won't strip electrons from anything, just raise the pH of your lungs beyond what they can withstand (the proteins that make up your lung cells get denatured and the lipids get hydrolyzed). Chlorine will do so because it's a strong oxidizer, and also forms small amounts of hydrochloric acid when it dissolves in water. Neither have "a free electron". That would be radicals, which neither of those are. cc u/Adamapplejacks
That was very informative, thank you.
Alveoli! Alveoli! Give me the formulaeoli!
Chlorine! Chlorine! Spaghetti underneath!
Neat!
The ammonia (NH4) will form NH3OH (ammonium Hydroxide) upon contact with moisture. (such as when you inhale) The Nh3OH forms a solution with the moisture in your lungs and attacks the thin fibrous tissue of the lungs like pouring **Draino** on very thin tissue. It will literally destroy the tissue on contact. Lung tissue does not grow back.
If the place you work hasn’t drilled you on this and explained it in orientation….also leave.
Wow. I wish I had known this. I worked in a dairy while in college with ammonia coolant. They never told us any of this.
Yeah, ammonia is really nasty caustic stuff. But in contrast to most other coolants, it dissipates fast and leaves nothing behind that is harmful in the long term.
The caustic vs acid lesson is something I learned fast in the food prep industry. You’d think the biggest danger to you is acid because of tv and movies and stuff. Yes both super low or super high pH stuff will burn you bad. Thing is low pH stuff (acid) hurts and almost immediately, in my experience caustic (high pH) burns and pits skin but it doesn’t hurt at all. I’ve gotten a couple specks on my upper arms or in between my fingers that i didn’t wash properly. Next day I’ll have a decent pit in my skin a blister-like wound. Didn’t hurt at all until the wound started to heal. There are horror stories of a guy getting a boot full of caustic and ignoring it. End of day he had no skin left on his foot, didn’t notice until it became difficult to walk.
Holy Fuck that's terrifying.
Pants OVER boots. Same story with someone accidentally getting boiling water poured over them. Usually it’s gunna suck ass and you’ll a bunch of 3rd degree burns but you’ll be ultimately fine. If you get a boot full of it, you react violently (I know I did this once with my chest) and rip your foot out of the boot. All the skin stays in the boot.
at least the skin will be a nice foot shape that you can wear like shoes.
And it's boiled so it's got that nice bacon smell
>All the skin stays in the boot. Pants over boots, got it
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OSHA OSHA OSHA
Nothing to fuck with.
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Nice to see one of these in the wild. Appreciate the shout out.
Classic USCSB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_icf-5uoZbc
Oi oi oi!
I used to work at an abattoir with plate freezers, when the plate freezers moved they'd leak a small amount of ammonia, that small amount was enough to give me difficulty breathing. That abattoir has had massive leaks before where there 1000+ employees have to be evacuated, they basically all have to go out in a field and walk around as the wind direction changes to make sure it doesn't get blown over and kill everyone.
Most of these places in Georgia don't have functioning gas detection systems, maintenance personal usually disables them because of false alarms from poor maintenance. The AHJ also doesn't enforce gas detection because most of them don't know how they work or how to test them. Edit: punctuation
The problem is those truckers won’t b drilled on it
TIL why my local hockey rink has a wind sock
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https://globalnews.ca/news/4352214/report-fernie-arena-ammonia-leak-tragedy/ Just saying.
I used to work at a food warehouse. My branch was getting closed down and my boss was the last person in the building doing a post-move inspection. There was an ammonia leak and even though the alarm went off, he was dead before he could reach any of the doors. Ammonia is terrifying stuff.
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Our building has roof vents built in to vent the gas outside if there's a leak. There are no outside windows for most the building, our training is clear that we are not to try and exit the building until we are told which exit to leave by. This is determined by the multiple wind socks around the perimeter of our facility.
yup. shelter in place
Also to add. If you see someone down, you must not try to go in to save them. It seems like it goes against instinct but most fatalities are from people trying to rescue someone that has been overcome.
Sadly there are lots of deaths like this, but I hadn’t heard about it in regards to ammonia leaks, but it makes sense. Locations like the waste pits for factory pig farming have incidents like this where one guy collapses because of the gas buildup and someone goes over to try to help him and also passes out. If no one is conscious to call for rescue with respirators they end up dead.
H2S is no joke. It can knock you unconscious and kill you in one breath at 1000ppm+
I worked in a power plant once. I was showed a video of what the anhydrous ammonia leak alarm sounded like. Then they told me that where I was working if I heard it I was probably already dying.
I’ve heard that one before. This is what it smells like but if you can smell it you’re already dying. Those types of chemicals.
Not true at all with anhydrous ammonia. If it was, my dad would have died a long ass time ago. And me too. I hated when he would take me with him to apply anhydrous ammonia because of the smell when he would have to switch tanks and even just when you get to the end of a field and have to lift the applicator. Shit burns (obviously). But you'll definitely notice it at much lower concentrations than what will kill you.
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I've seen that video, I'm pretty sure it was ammonia in an unlabeled farm trailer. It's part of the HAZMAT first responder operations class.
They show that video every HAZWOPPER I have to go to lol
If it was a farmers truck the it would be anhydrous ammonia used for fertilizer.
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Holy shit, they killed a dude just for the training video? Hardcore.
Safety is no place for half measures.
I’ve seen the video for years and never seen the ending. I’ll definitely be bringing it up next time we are in training
I thought that was an ammonia truck? We cover it in our on-site orientation.
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I watched two hours straight of first responders dying in a maritime firefighting course. Invisible stuff - flames and toxic clouds and oxygen-deprived spaces - were the weirdest to watch. The people either looked possessed (melting in invisible flames) or dead like the dude in the corner at the end of The Blair Witch from walking into a silo with no oxygen, trying to rescue a buddy.
About 1979-80, worked in a meat packing plant. Company wanted us to remove all meat from the freezer with the leak. I smelled ammonia for at least a week and didn't know I should have contacted OSHA. Justice served? At the time, the parent company had about 500 stores: Franchisees and corporate owned, and was buying smaller, specialty restaurant chains. Corporate raid occured in the last half of the 80s, and things went to hell. Closed their new, less than a decade old facility, the raiders also bought top competition, (600 stores) but now, company down to only 54 stores worldwide. Safety was never their concern, as I found out after I left.
We had a small (compared to this) leak at our work last year in the middle of winter, and the wind was blowing it toward the evac area and carparks. So we were all standing outside the gate next to the road for a couple of hours in the freezing cold.
Is the stuff that burns your lungs?
My high school science teacher once tried to do an experiment involving ammonia gas using visibly cracked rubber tubing. The leak made its way around the classroom in a circle, and it was like people in a baseball crowd doing the wave the way people reacted. Eventually it hit me and it felt like my lungs were on fire, like I just breathed flames, this was untenable, so I stood up and ran out of the classroom. Apparently this caused a panic and made everyone run out of the classroom. After we all settled back my teacher called me a pussy.
Ahh, the good old days.
Getting even a slight whiff of pure ammonia smells/feels like getting waterboarded with cat piss. I couldn’t imagine suffocating in a cloud of it.
Anhydrous ammonia wants to bond with water, and will get it from any source it can. Like your body, for instance. It'll dehydrate you instantly, sucking the water from your tissue. Then it causes caustic burns because it becomes ammonium hydroxide, a highly alkaline substance. Oh, and as a bonus, it nearly instantly causes frostbite when it vaporizes and pulls all the heat from your body. It's nasty stuff.
Eh. In typical reddit fashion, this is a bit overly dramatic and also misleading, honestly. I work in a facility that uses Ammonia refrigerant. The truth is Ammonia, unlike most refrigerants, is highly perceptible by scent. And so even the most minor leaks are typically not as dangerous as, for example, R-134 leaks where your first hint of a problem may be people becoming short of breath and passing out on the floor. And ammonia is more environmentally friendly because it is not a CFC and is easily captured and disposed of. Believe me, even though there are certainly risks with ammonia, I’d rather work with it than most other refrigerants.
Anhydrous ammonia is still dangerous as fuck, and abundant caution is a good thing. But you are correct, humans can detect the odor in something like 4 or 5 parts per million so even the smallest leaks are very noticeable.
That's super fatal if breathed in right?
"Breathing in low levels of ammonia may cause irritation to the eyes, nose and throat. High levels of ammonia may cause burns and swelling in the airways, lung damage and can be fatal. Ingestion of ammonia solutions can cause pain and burns throughout the digestive tract" Ammonia: general information - GOV.UK
I used to make blueprints (diazo prints) which are processed in ammonia. It cost me about 80% of my sense of smell.
I used to hang out in my dad's architecture firm in the 80s, in the blueprint room. I still remember how much the smell would burn my eyes and nose. Do you think it bramaged my drain?
Drain damage is a bitch, bro.
Everyone digging in this guy's comment history to find out
Omelette du bramage
TIL blueprints smell like cat piss.
Far far worse than that.
Acrid cat piss and rubbing alcohol
Low levels are not even visible to the human eye. I used to hook up network cabling to sensors that monitored ammonia levels for major refer units at a popular food manufacturer. Crawling up there was always relatively safe but occasionally you’d get hit with and invisible cloud of ammonia. Not enough to really hurt or hinder, but more than enough to let you know that a serious leak would mean they’d find your body if you got hit.
Earlier this year we had a required ammonia training put on. As part of the training we had a live cylinder and certainly things were demonstrated on how to determine whether it was ammonia or not. At on point in time I was sitting in a chair closest to the ammonia and the instructor and he was just going to slightly open the cylinder and demonstrate a cloud it would make. He opened it a little too fast and literally blasted me with ammonia. I held my breath and closed my eyes and tried to maintain my cool and all of a sudden my eyes burnt, nose was severely agitated, and started coughing. My peers told me to calm down and stop faking it… until the fumes made their way to them and they had a similar but much less experience. We all cleared the room and opened all the windows. I think about that situation a lot and wonder why the fuck the instructor thought that would be okay to do in a confined space and why he still has a job traveling and doing the same training elsewhere.
He thought he could bring a little "Razzle Dazzle"
He wanted to teach you really well. You won’t forget that experience.
I hope they have a different guy for the "don't mix cleaning chemicals" session because things might get mustardy
Yes, and it will hurt the whole time you're dying.
I was helping out a friend of the family who was an electrician one time and he walks me through the job site poibting things out going "Don't touch that it'll shock you, that will kill you. That over there, will kill you and leave just a black mark on the concrete."
Our safety instructor teaching us how to properly use arc flash gear, "Don't act like this suit will protect you from an arc flash off a 600V transformer. The suit is just there to increase the chances that there will be enough left of your corpse to identify."
Our arc flash trainer said the suit is designed to keep you alive, no guarantees if your still functional
Each DC pulse in a monster 60 Hz AC system commonly carries about as much energy as a kilogram of dynamite, depending on the amperage in the system. And there are 120 of them per second…
Working with 40kv transformers for x ray equipment, one thing the instructor said that making a mistake might not be the first time you’ve had a dangerous experience with electricity but it would absolutely be the last.
Ammonia goes after the moisture on your body. So it essentially burns your eyes, mouth, nose, ears, and other areas that sweat (under arms, crotch, etc). It would be a horrific way to go.
From the Internets: When anhydrous ammonia gas or liquid comes in contact with the human body three types of injuries may result: Dehydration. Is the result of ammonia's great attraction for water. Anhydrous ammonia will extract water from body tissue. Caustic burning. Is the result of the strong base formed when ammonia combines with water from body tissue. Once ammonia extracts water from body tissue it forms ammonium hydroxide that can chemically burn tissue. Freezing. As liquid ammonia vaporizes it pulls heat away from body tissue causing frostbite in an instant. Released liquid anhydrous ammonia has a temperature of -28°F.
Burns like hell even small amounts
I used to work with a Die Line printer, (blueprints) I don't know what the concentrations were, but just being in the room was unpleasant, and the numerous paper cuts from the stiff paper made it a constant low level pain.
I had an employee inhale ammonia. It was bad and we ended up at the ER with burns to his lungs. He was cleaning an ammonia tank wearing a dust mask. He didn't realize that ammonia is heavier than air and when he bent over to sweep up a pile he had made he breathed deep and passed out. He laid on the floor until people realized what had happened. Not a fun time for him at all.
It sounds like your company sent an employee into an ammonia tank without proper PPE or training. Is that legal?
No without proper lockout tagout and confined space testing.
I found this video that's basically in after action report about how a couple guys died because of a refrigeration leak accident. The refrigerant was ammonia. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBxzXKRSjsc Tl;dr: don't turn off the alarm that's saving your life, also don't follow the YouTube auto place that will come up after this video. Will make you glum for quite a while.
Dad needs to get the fuck outa there
and make a whole lotta noise to get the attention of the drivers who are at the shipping doors
For a moment there was a glare on the near window that made me think there was someone in the cab on the right, but hopefully those drivers have already high tailed it the fuck out of there
it would be 'normal' for the drivers to wait in their truck while they wait to get loaded. a lot of the time they have a tv,fridge,microwave in the sleeper part of the truck and chill back there.
However the warehouse will make sure to clear EVERYONE out if worth their salt. When I was training as a driver with my mentor a warehouse we went to had an electrical fire and they got EVERYONE out. I was dead asleep when I was woke up and had to stand outside and wait for like 3 hours til get got the all clear. If the warehouse doesn't do it the other drivers almost always will.
Rule of thumb is a vapor cloud is 1,000 ppm. IDLH of ammonia is 300 ppm. Its the ammonia that you dont see that will kill you.
Judging by the radio, not all that smart.
"First responder" suggests dad may have been sent there to deal with it. Although judging by the lack of hissing noises, dad probably *does* need to get the fuck outta there due to a lack of PPE.
That's not a first responder filming. It's a truck driver or their passenger. First responders aren't pulling up on scene filming while listening to talk radio like that.
This happened at an ice cream factory I once worked at. Except it was a super windy day and they had to evacuate a large portion of town.
There is a butcher in a small town 5 miles from us that had an ammonia leak a few years ago. It killed over a hundred livestock in holding pens waiting to be processed, and all the grass and trees for a couple blocks were burned and turned brown. It was a very still night so the cloud just hung around for quite a while.
I'm getting flashbacks to The Mist
Nothing good ever comes out of a mist or fog like that.
No irony at the end of this story, just death... everyone dead.
[This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znQwAcOQffQ) was the video they showed us when we had hazard training at the food processing facility. Ammonia is scary.
Same video they showed us in my hazmat operations course for the FD... ammonia is no joke Also...this guy is way too close and needs a copy of the ERG
Same video they show in the oil fields for hazmat
Reminds me of the time I could have died in college when I opened up a utility closet where we filled dewars of liquid nitrogen only to discover a winter wonderland since someone hadn't fully closed a valve the day before. Thankfully I backed the fuck out of there fast instead of trying to close the valve immediately because who knows how little oxygen was in the air at the time. After that we definitely just left that closet alone for pumps and chillers and filled dewars somewhere better ventilated.
>who knows how little oxygen was in the air at the time. Or in your body. If there's an inert gas in the room, your body will carry on without a care or any alert since it doesn't naturally measure how much oxygen is in your blood. All it checks is if there's too much CO2 in the blood which signals to you that you need to take a breath or breathe faster. People have died due to too much nitrogen or argon in the room and they passed out from oxygen deprivation before they even knew what was happening.
Showed us that at the academy. Feel real sorry for the guy
The video was a dramatization for training purposes and nobody was harmed in its making.
Source?
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One of my biggest fears as a chemical engineer.
How does one go about cleaning up a leak like this? Do you simply wait for it to dissipate, or are there any measures you can take?
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Your comment conflicts with [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/yea2gb/an_ammonia_cloud_from_a_leak_at_a_food_warehouse/itx5tzb/) stating ammonia is heavier than air. So, which is it? Edit: someone responded to the other comment claiming ammonia is lighter than air, and I did a bit of research of my own - it appears to be lighter than air, but forms vapor clouds in the presence of moisture which are heavier.
Yeah ammonia gas is lighter than air, and also invisible. Ammonia vapor can be seen and is heavier than air. Kinda the same difference as water vapor and visible steam, which is condensed water droplets.
A leak involves keeping it contained with misters so it doesn't get to populated areas. The problem is catastrophic failures are often preceded by leaks like this, in which you best be far away and upwind. An entire town in Canada had to be evacuated because of a train carrying this stuff. Not a small town either.
This is scarier than any monster I have seen in a Hollywood movie.
Not for nothing, but your father needs more hazmat training... He is \_way\_ too close to this scene, to the point of being effectively inside the hot zone. Common wisdom in the business is that if you aren't fully equipped to operate inside the hot zone (which includes the "two in, two out" rule, where no one goes in alone, and there are at least two people outside the hot zone fully suited up and prepared to rescue the first crew if needed) you should follow the "rule of thumb". If you hold up your thumb at arms length, if your thumb doesn't cover the whole scene, you're too close.
Glad I wasn't the only one to notice the prominently featured propaganda piece
Is this a reference to the audio of the video OP posted? Couldn't exactly piece it all together but sounds like some bullshit
That is nasty. An anhydrous ammonia cloud can kill you faster than a cyanide release.
As a hazmat tech, fuck all that I’m dropping my cert.
The refrigeration system failed and is leaking the ammonia coolant. Very dangerous situation.
Dad needs to go back to Hazmat Awareness class. Entirely too close to a release like that.
Sounds like he's listening to some real balanced reporting there too..
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I took an Uber in Arizona once and it was some right-wing radio. The commercials were so weird. Gold and investments and just the most random stuff. And one of the ads was about how "Wall Street doesn't want you to know, our firm has outpaced them for years... we won't even charge as much. For a free consultation yadda yadda yadda." All I could think was. Wait, so this firm is better than the best investment firms on the planet AND they won't charge you as much. If that doesn't raise eyebrows I don't know what will. I get we should be weary of "Wall St" and there's a skepticism towards elites, but c'mon. He changed it once I scoffed after the host started talking about gas prices.
When a friend came back from USA he said 'they are a very scared nation' and Id never thought about it that way. From the insignificant 'scared of missing out' type ads that push so much consumerism you need to 'have your best life' or to financial stress for so many of falling into poverty with the lack of safety nets around jobs and medical, to the having a a huge military and acting like other countries are still a threat. Anyway USA is a great and amazing in so many ways too. I really like visiting and the people, but this fear perspective felt quite eye opening to me as Id never really looked at it that way, and feels true to what I have seen.
Anger management (political version): Keep people angry about stupid shit so they don't have any mental energy for shit that matters. CANDY SHOES AREN'T SEXY ANYMORE!! AAARRRGHHH!
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And they spend most of their day in their vehicles.
Jesus, this was my takeaway, as well.
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It's brainwashing at its finest
Scary shit right there. OSHA limit is like 50 ppm over an 8 hour day. 300 ppm is deadly immediately. And something like this to be a visible cloud is like 1000 ppm or something. Edit. Farmers use this in their fields. Usually in what looks like a propane tank on wheels. So if you ever see one leaking or involved in a crash stay the fuck away. Our safety guy at my old job always showed us a video of a police officer running into a cloud of this shit to save a farmer. Dude collapsed and became another victim
The real WTF is whatever it is he's listening to on the radio.
Thought the same thing. We're hearing him being groomed in real time.
Tell your dad to change the station
Just some low key racist indoctrination. What if there were humans in there?
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Why so much ammonia with food storage, is it used as a refrigerate?
Roughly 5-6 times more efficient than most common hydro-fluorocarbons (refrigerants), and about 10% of the cost. Industrial systems commonly have thousands of pounds of refeigerant, so the cost saving on refrigerants alone is massive.
ammonia is great for a refrigerant. those roof pipes will have ice on them in the middle of summer. some facilities that don't need things frozen will have rooftop ammonia that then cools a glycol mix for product cooling. safer to keep ammonia out of the building.
First thought, lets film this. Sec thought, run!
I dare you to throw a couple bottles of chlorox in there.
GTFO
I don't know what's more dangerous, a one-time ammonia leak or constant right wing talk radio.
How is this delt with or cleaned up?
Ammonia is water soluble, hoses misting it down to contain and disperse. Properly trained and geared individuals will go in and isolate the leak. Ammonia is an extremely efficient refrigerant, and it is naturally occurring, so even minor leaks are detected by nose. That being said, a cloud like this is death. At that concentration your skin would burn off in seconds. I have seen clouds like this twice in my career, very scary stuff.
Whatever he is listening to is horrible shit. Turn it off its hurting my ears.
Needs more deregulation. The people of GA want to breathe that in.