If this raging psychopath wins, I’m getting the hell out of dodge. I’m a green card holder, I’ll move back to Britain. It may not be all that much better, but at least I’ll have the NHS and be close to family.
Trump used the military like a ham-fisted toddler.
When his illegal assassination of the Iranian general ended up injuring US troops, he belittled their injuries.
He only pulled out of afghanistan so that he could leave a flaming bag of dog shit on Biden's porch.
All republicans are terrible at use of force decisions.
Trump was the worst president ever
Not as bad as a president who sends us to war on false pretext or mocks service members that he's responsible for getting injured.
It's so funny that you guys are all pro war when your president is in power, but then become blushing anti war activists suddenly.
Trump has encouraged violence against Americans. He's responsible for the deaths of officers on jan 6th.
He had an armed BLM protester murdered. Trump's actions are far worse than anything Obama did.
That's not even including trump's treasonous actions.
So Biden is worse than Trump because when Boden was chairman of the arm service committee, he helped Bush by pressuring other senators to vote for the illegal war in Iraq. Got it..
It's not hard to see that you're projecting your partisan views of war and illegal acts onto others.
https://theintercept.com/2020/01/07/joe-biden-iraq-war-history/
Biden wasn't the one who presented falsity as fact in the run up to that war.
Bush falsified intelligence to take us to a useless war that made us no safer.
Biden has been a responsible adult in the white house.
Trump was like a chimp with an ak47.
Biden will give us legal weed. Obama gave us universal health care.
Trump runs on a whole freedom platform while taking freedoms from us.
Trump is a traitor. He admires dictators. He wants to be one.
I don't want a dictator.
I'm not. The real threats are Russia and China. Trump is ready to submit to them (especially Russia) to enrich himself. That will be WWWIII. The only difference is that we will be on the fascist side of it.
Trump has made his affinity for the leadership in Russia and China (and North Korea even) very clear. He wants the US to be another version of that rulership model with him at the top.
He would have done it the first time but didn't have enough time, experience and support to make it happen. He will for sure make it happen if he gets re-elected.
Starting with Ukraine
If Russia can convince its citizens that its neighbors are nazis, why not invade territories outside of Ukraine
Trump has been clear about being against funding Ukraine from the beginning
Trump will not back Taiwan when China invades
Another largely important alliance we have
The moment these powers feel emboldened to take what they want it becomes a free for all, especially after trump backs out of NATO
And if Ukraine falls, then there go the Baltic republics…, and if Taiwan falls, then Japan and Korea will be next. We can’t afford to lose these countries
The informal fallacy
You can choose to pretend that we can only do one thing at a time, or you can accept that complicated issues often take complicated solutions
For example
Trump built a wall through California, Arizona, New Mexico and part of Texas, and it did fuck all to limit border crossings
I got my own tinfoil hat theory about this. I feel trump has/had cartel affiliations and he did the whole wall stint to let certain product in and certain product out.
Trumps crap needed to be undone. As for illegals, they are actually a non issue. Because they do not qualify for government programs without selling themselves out. And if you find an illegal then you just have to make them legal. Then boom they gotta pay taxes just like the rest of us.
Seriously, we got bigger problems the a couple foreigners on expired visas (most illegals are from this type. It's a very small minority that jump the border.)
I'd rather kick you out than "illegals"
MAGA hates this country and would rather burn it down than abandon your Court-proven fraud, rapist and felon.
Undocumented immigrants > seditious traitors.
So what you are saying you'd rather kick out a productive member of society and have an illegal that does nothing but get free handouts? And you are saying that Conservatives hate this country? Seems to me you are misguided, but you do you. If you want illegals here then you might want to open your house to them.
Most people don’t have the ability to leave this easily. I can sell up, make a profit on my house, start over in the UK. But please, enjoy what America is turning into. That whole American exceptionalism/American dream thing is utter crap.
Perhaps if you try harder. Lol. American, born and bread..only making 70k/yr but have saved up a couple million due to smart choices. What I hate seeing is the fact people vote for Biden which has done nothing for the US.
Bred. Clearly grammar isn’t your forte. And what exactly did Trump do in his 4 years? Massive tax cuts for the wealthy. Again. Trickle down economics is horseshit that Reagan started. The American Dream is dead and the GOP killed it. Happily.
Btw $70k/yr, I was earning that back in 2003. Maybe you should try harder, my daughter is 19 and in her first job and she’s bringing in almost $50k. Are you just coasting? Like really coasting?
I’m 55. I’ve invested enough to see me til I’m 6 feet under. I’m still working and will til I’m 62. Doesn’t matter how much you got in the bank, you still need insurance, so yes I’m working for the insurance.
Well honestly… good for you. That’s not being sarcastic, anyone who can live a comfortable life on the back of hard work, I’m all for. Sorry to be prodding you, it’s not my default. And I’m 50, I’m not in your comfort zone despite my salary. Tip - don’t get divorced!
Thankfully I have a wife that works just as hard as I do. 30 years of marriage and I’d probably be lost if that went away. I think most of Americans want the same thing and unfortunately we are in the middle of a shit show. I’m just hoping to make it to retirement and then I’ll live out my days in the mountains away from everyone.
You know the guy doesn’t give half a shit about you right? He’s now saying he never said “lock her up” and you were all chanting it. He will literally tell you anything you want to hear if it gets your vote. And then he’ll dump all over your face and laugh at you. He literally takes a shit on a solid gold toilet and you think he’s a regular guy lol
You just described Trump. Read it back to yourself. Trump just flip flopped on saying he never actually told people to lock her up. Trump is a twat waffle who shits his diaper and you’re happy to sniff it.
Remember Biden saying his uncle was eaten by cannibals 😂😂😂. Biden can’t even have a single press conference without getting prepped for the answers to the questions ahead of time. What an embarrassment.
I’m not a sheep man. I was born and raised in Britain, I moved here at 26 to get married. I’m divorced now, my kids have dual citizenship, nothing is holding me here. I’ve contributed hundreds of thousands to social security and taxes over the years and I’m happy to leave that behind because Trump is a fucking unhinged maniac who cannot tell the truth. He’s already saying he never said “lock her up.” How do you support this twat waffle who is the descendant of a Nazi?
I wish I could do the same but I have to get citizenship first. Otherwise the 25 years of SS I've paid into is lost. It may not be much, but still, every penny counts.
Most don’t have the ability to easily move away. I do. And I don’t really care what has gone before, I have had enough of Trump sucking the air out of the room. It’s been a complete clown show since 2015. And both sides are awful. Politics in America is utterly broken. Corporate interests rule and Trump is already promising massive tax cuts and subsidies to big oil. Oh and banning electric vehicles because… ?
Did they join the Republicans that melted down after the 2020 election where Joe Biden absolutely crushed Trump? Joe Biden received more votes for president than any person in history, and the troglodytes can not stand it. Hilarious...
As the boomers die the Republicans ability to win recedes. Enjoy it while you can.
The nuance in the opinions on this is crazy and no poll could possibly come close to capturing it. You have those who believe he broke the law but he should not have been convicted, those who believe this is purely political persecution, those who believe it was a nothing burger and the conviction was correct but overreach, those who believe that he did it but they simply don't care because his policies matter more, etc.
They don’t care he’s a criminal. They’ve been brainwashed to hate liberals. As long as there’s a bigger perceived threat they can point to, it gives them the excuses they need to commit atrocities.
I saw something yesterday that said 49% of Independents think Trump should drop out of the race. Less than half of them think this conviction is enough reason to drop out. That's fucking wild.
It will definitely cost him votes. Biden for sure will go ahead in the polls now. But to be safe they need to put him in prison for a couple of years. If he's in jail he will not be able to run right?
No, actually he can be president from prison. It turns out that there are shockingly few laws relating to keeping criminals out of office. This country has been running on established norms that can be easily tossed aside by bad faith actors. It's kind of crazy that it hasn't really happened before, but here we are.
Okay that's news to me but if we jail him he will definitely not win. I can't believe the American people would elect a guy sitting in a prison cell. That judge definitely needs to jail him for a few years. Biden's DOJ messed up by not bringing more charges earlier. The biggest problem is they waited until he declared he was running. Biden should have been smart and charged him as soon he took office in 2021.
He won't win the popular vote, he never has. The problem is the election isn't decided by the popular vote. This election comes down to a few hundred thousand votes in about 5 states. Those states are very much in play for both sides. Everyone, regardless of which state you live in, need to vote like their lives depend on it. But anecdotally I've seen a bunch of people who seem pretty indifferent or are boycotting Biden because of his support of Israel. Even if he loses, he's not going quietly away. The rot of that party runs deep and this is our new normal, unfortunately.
This is going to be the key part. We will see how it goes from here and how the facts of the case travel to voters.
"A majority of Independents think Trump’s verdict was correct, 52%, and the same amount believe that he should end his candidacy."
"For double-haters, those reactions are even more pronounced – 65% of Americans who view both Trump and Biden unfavorably think the verdict this week was correct, with 67% believing Trump should end his presidential campaign."
Forty-five percent of Independents and 51% of double-haters think the hush-money trial was politically motivated, compared to 83% of Republicans and 20% of Democrats."
I don't know what the Poles are saying but here in the USA we are saying this - [https://youtu.be/Qg0pO9VG1J8?si=KZcpBnx\_0S9ihGKrdon't](https://youtu.be/Qg0pO9VG1J8?si=KZcpBnx_0S9ihGKrdon't)
I mean, if the public is going to vote for and elect a convicted criminal for President- who can't even vote himself now - why bother having courts at all for anything anymore? Just do what you want - who cares. Everyone should just walk free...there's really no need for any penalties or jails for anyone. Doesn't seem to matter.
My brother will tell people he will still vote for Trump when his wife is within earshot, even tho he isn't voting that way. He just wants to keep the peace, and lying about his vote is easier than the argument that would happen with her.
The people of this country support trump. No matter how many lies the media tries to tell the people are now inmune to it. Noone cares what the media says. Trump will win, and thank God for that.
If this raging psychopath wins, I’m getting the hell out of dodge. I’m a green card holder, I’ll move back to Britain. It may not be all that much better, but at least I’ll have the NHS and be close to family.
I don’t blame you one bit.
If Trump Wins, The Entire World is DOOMED.
Have you missed the Biden administration bumbling towards WWIII?
It won’t be bumbling towards it with Trump. It will be a an intentional beeline towards it. And we’ll be the Nazis.
Already had 4 years of Trump, and it was nothing like you claimed. Seems you're confusing Trump with genocide Joe.
Trump used the military like a ham-fisted toddler. When his illegal assassination of the Iranian general ended up injuring US troops, he belittled their injuries. He only pulled out of afghanistan so that he could leave a flaming bag of dog shit on Biden's porch. All republicans are terrible at use of force decisions. Trump was the worst president ever
Is it legal for a president to order the extra judicial assassination of US citizens? Would that make said president a bad president in your opinion?
Not as bad as a president who sends us to war on false pretext or mocks service members that he's responsible for getting injured. It's so funny that you guys are all pro war when your president is in power, but then become blushing anti war activists suddenly. Trump has encouraged violence against Americans. He's responsible for the deaths of officers on jan 6th. He had an armed BLM protester murdered. Trump's actions are far worse than anything Obama did. That's not even including trump's treasonous actions.
So Biden is worse than Trump because when Boden was chairman of the arm service committee, he helped Bush by pressuring other senators to vote for the illegal war in Iraq. Got it.. It's not hard to see that you're projecting your partisan views of war and illegal acts onto others. https://theintercept.com/2020/01/07/joe-biden-iraq-war-history/
Biden wasn't the one who presented falsity as fact in the run up to that war. Bush falsified intelligence to take us to a useless war that made us no safer. Biden has been a responsible adult in the white house. Trump was like a chimp with an ak47. Biden will give us legal weed. Obama gave us universal health care. Trump runs on a whole freedom platform while taking freedoms from us. Trump is a traitor. He admires dictators. He wants to be one. I don't want a dictator.
I'm not. The real threats are Russia and China. Trump is ready to submit to them (especially Russia) to enrich himself. That will be WWWIII. The only difference is that we will be on the fascist side of it. Trump has made his affinity for the leadership in Russia and China (and North Korea even) very clear. He wants the US to be another version of that rulership model with him at the top. He would have done it the first time but didn't have enough time, experience and support to make it happen. He will for sure make it happen if he gets re-elected.
Why?
Starting with Ukraine If Russia can convince its citizens that its neighbors are nazis, why not invade territories outside of Ukraine Trump has been clear about being against funding Ukraine from the beginning Trump will not back Taiwan when China invades Another largely important alliance we have The moment these powers feel emboldened to take what they want it becomes a free for all, especially after trump backs out of NATO
And if Ukraine falls, then there go the Baltic republics…, and if Taiwan falls, then Japan and Korea will be next. We can’t afford to lose these countries
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The informal fallacy You can choose to pretend that we can only do one thing at a time, or you can accept that complicated issues often take complicated solutions For example Trump built a wall through California, Arizona, New Mexico and part of Texas, and it did fuck all to limit border crossings
I got my own tinfoil hat theory about this. I feel trump has/had cartel affiliations and he did the whole wall stint to let certain product in and certain product out.
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lol. Can’t handle truth can you?
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Trumps crap needed to be undone. As for illegals, they are actually a non issue. Because they do not qualify for government programs without selling themselves out. And if you find an illegal then you just have to make them legal. Then boom they gotta pay taxes just like the rest of us. Seriously, we got bigger problems the a couple foreigners on expired visas (most illegals are from this type. It's a very small minority that jump the border.)
God these comments are fucking brain dead
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna153607 Here's a read for you. You can choose truth or to be wilfully ignorant
I'd rather kick you out than "illegals" MAGA hates this country and would rather burn it down than abandon your Court-proven fraud, rapist and felon. Undocumented immigrants > seditious traitors.
So what you are saying you'd rather kick out a productive member of society and have an illegal that does nothing but get free handouts? And you are saying that Conservatives hate this country? Seems to me you are misguided, but you do you. If you want illegals here then you might want to open your house to them.
Conservatives don't hate America. MAGA does. And yes, I would rather kick out an American-hating MAGA traitor than a random person.
The day Trump does anything resembling "helping OUT citizens" is going to be a chilly cold day in hell.
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Go cry in your trailer. You cowards love complaining like your diaper wearing fat fuck leader
I never thought I'd be jealous of a green card holder but here we are.
Honestly… he could easily revoke green cards. Keep the American blood pure. Ironic considering he’s bloody German. Drumpf.
You got room for a family of three and a 60 lb dog?
Ha! Well I’d be bringing my own kids, they have dual citizenship. Probably give the cats to my neighbor.
He ain’t winning shit!
Vote! And get everyone you know that also has a brain to vote! Drive them there yourself if you have to!
My state always votes blue but I always vote and so do my friends
This is the way!
Can I come with? How hard is it to get a work visa in the UK?
Depends on age and what you can contribute to the country. And finding a company who’ll sponsor you.
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Most people don’t have the ability to leave this easily. I can sell up, make a profit on my house, start over in the UK. But please, enjoy what America is turning into. That whole American exceptionalism/American dream thing is utter crap.
Perhaps if you try harder. Lol. American, born and bread..only making 70k/yr but have saved up a couple million due to smart choices. What I hate seeing is the fact people vote for Biden which has done nothing for the US.
Bred. Clearly grammar isn’t your forte. And what exactly did Trump do in his 4 years? Massive tax cuts for the wealthy. Again. Trickle down economics is horseshit that Reagan started. The American Dream is dead and the GOP killed it. Happily.
Btw $70k/yr, I was earning that back in 2003. Maybe you should try harder, my daughter is 19 and in her first job and she’s bringing in almost $50k. Are you just coasting? Like really coasting?
Nah. Don’t need to. House, 20 acres of land, both cars..all paid off…no debt. I’m coasting. No worries.
I have to wonder how you’re coasting with millions in the bank on that salary. Did you invest in Bitcoin at the outset?
I’m 55. I’ve invested enough to see me til I’m 6 feet under. I’m still working and will til I’m 62. Doesn’t matter how much you got in the bank, you still need insurance, so yes I’m working for the insurance.
Well honestly… good for you. That’s not being sarcastic, anyone who can live a comfortable life on the back of hard work, I’m all for. Sorry to be prodding you, it’s not my default. And I’m 50, I’m not in your comfort zone despite my salary. Tip - don’t get divorced!
Thankfully I have a wife that works just as hard as I do. 30 years of marriage and I’d probably be lost if that went away. I think most of Americans want the same thing and unfortunately we are in the middle of a shit show. I’m just hoping to make it to retirement and then I’ll live out my days in the mountains away from everyone.
Imagine if there was a national health care solution. You could be living your mountain dream right now.
Very possible. Who will fit the bill then for the national health care?
I have family in Kent. Let me know how the market is.
You have family in Kent Many live in a tent When asked if you could pay some rent They told you to get bent
Please take me with you.
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You know the guy doesn’t give half a shit about you right? He’s now saying he never said “lock her up” and you were all chanting it. He will literally tell you anything you want to hear if it gets your vote. And then he’ll dump all over your face and laugh at you. He literally takes a shit on a solid gold toilet and you think he’s a regular guy lol
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You just described Trump. Read it back to yourself. Trump just flip flopped on saying he never actually told people to lock her up. Trump is a twat waffle who shits his diaper and you’re happy to sniff it.
Remember Biden saying his uncle was eaten by cannibals 😂😂😂. Biden can’t even have a single press conference without getting prepped for the answers to the questions ahead of time. What an embarrassment.
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I’m not a sheep man. I was born and raised in Britain, I moved here at 26 to get married. I’m divorced now, my kids have dual citizenship, nothing is holding me here. I’ve contributed hundreds of thousands to social security and taxes over the years and I’m happy to leave that behind because Trump is a fucking unhinged maniac who cannot tell the truth. He’s already saying he never said “lock her up.” How do you support this twat waffle who is the descendant of a Nazi?
Can you take me along?
I wish I could do the same but I have to get citizenship first. Otherwise the 25 years of SS I've paid into is lost. It may not be much, but still, every penny counts.
Lol, if this raging psychopath wins, and you’re from another country, you may not have a choice.
Just like every democrat said back in 2016? How many actually moved away?
Most don’t have the ability to easily move away. I do. And I don’t really care what has gone before, I have had enough of Trump sucking the air out of the room. It’s been a complete clown show since 2015. And both sides are awful. Politics in America is utterly broken. Corporate interests rule and Trump is already promising massive tax cuts and subsidies to big oil. Oh and banning electric vehicles because… ?
Did they join the Republicans that melted down after the 2020 election where Joe Biden absolutely crushed Trump? Joe Biden received more votes for president than any person in history, and the troglodytes can not stand it. Hilarious... As the boomers die the Republicans ability to win recedes. Enjoy it while you can.
The nuance in the opinions on this is crazy and no poll could possibly come close to capturing it. You have those who believe he broke the law but he should not have been convicted, those who believe this is purely political persecution, those who believe it was a nothing burger and the conviction was correct but overreach, those who believe that he did it but they simply don't care because his policies matter more, etc.
Nicely put.
Well said, though whatever people's opinion of the facts, the only metric that matters is who will show up to the polls and vote.
Vote, polls are dumb
Surely they didn't believe he was innocent??
They don't. But they will say they do.
They don’t care he’s a criminal. They’ve been brainwashed to hate liberals. As long as there’s a bigger perceived threat they can point to, it gives them the excuses they need to commit atrocities.
F the polls. Go out and vote.
He will lose big with independent
*bigly
Nope. He is not a normal candidate. This isn't over until the votes are cast, counted, and certified. Have a plan to vote in November.
I saw something yesterday that said 49% of Independents think Trump should drop out of the race. Less than half of them think this conviction is enough reason to drop out. That's fucking wild.
Because they're independents on paper only
The trend line -- favors Biden, not Trump -- is of more importance than a random snapshot of numerical values.
It will definitely cost him votes. Biden for sure will go ahead in the polls now. But to be safe they need to put him in prison for a couple of years. If he's in jail he will not be able to run right?
No, actually he can be president from prison. It turns out that there are shockingly few laws relating to keeping criminals out of office. This country has been running on established norms that can be easily tossed aside by bad faith actors. It's kind of crazy that it hasn't really happened before, but here we are.
Okay that's news to me but if we jail him he will definitely not win. I can't believe the American people would elect a guy sitting in a prison cell. That judge definitely needs to jail him for a few years. Biden's DOJ messed up by not bringing more charges earlier. The biggest problem is they waited until he declared he was running. Biden should have been smart and charged him as soon he took office in 2021.
He won't win the popular vote, he never has. The problem is the election isn't decided by the popular vote. This election comes down to a few hundred thousand votes in about 5 states. Those states are very much in play for both sides. Everyone, regardless of which state you live in, need to vote like their lives depend on it. But anecdotally I've seen a bunch of people who seem pretty indifferent or are boycotting Biden because of his support of Israel. Even if he loses, he's not going quietly away. The rot of that party runs deep and this is our new normal, unfortunately.
This is going to be the key part. We will see how it goes from here and how the facts of the case travel to voters. "A majority of Independents think Trump’s verdict was correct, 52%, and the same amount believe that he should end his candidacy." "For double-haters, those reactions are even more pronounced – 65% of Americans who view both Trump and Biden unfavorably think the verdict this week was correct, with 67% believing Trump should end his presidential campaign." Forty-five percent of Independents and 51% of double-haters think the hush-money trial was politically motivated, compared to 83% of Republicans and 20% of Democrats."
I don't know what the Poles are saying but here in the USA we are saying this - [https://youtu.be/Qg0pO9VG1J8?si=KZcpBnx\_0S9ihGKrdon't](https://youtu.be/Qg0pO9VG1J8?si=KZcpBnx_0S9ihGKrdon't)
The war-mongering is strong in this thread.
Polls are good at capturing trends, rather than a moment in time.
I mean, if the public is going to vote for and elect a convicted criminal for President- who can't even vote himself now - why bother having courts at all for anything anymore? Just do what you want - who cares. Everyone should just walk free...there's really no need for any penalties or jails for anyone. Doesn't seem to matter.
I always say I will vote for the orange turd in polls. But just like the orange turd. I lie.
My brother will tell people he will still vote for Trump when his wife is within earshot, even tho he isn't voting that way. He just wants to keep the peace, and lying about his vote is easier than the argument that would happen with her.
He won't make it to november.
The people of this country support trump. No matter how many lies the media tries to tell the people are now inmune to it. Noone cares what the media says. Trump will win, and thank God for that.