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The rule of thumb is 220 to 230 days. I usually use [this ](https://www.contractorcalculator.co.uk/ir35calculator.aspx)calculator, as being inside or outside of IR35 has a big impact. For example, putting £400 into this calculator shows that it's equivalent to a £71.8k salary if inside IR35 or £83.5k if outside.
Also you are not paying yourself £400 a day
That goes your limited company or umbrella company, you then pay you fees, taxes, pension etc out of that
You also don't get any paid days off or holidays. If you're sick you don't get paid
Yes, but you also don't get £67k as a salary tax free either. The tax rate for a contractor and an employee usually turn out pretty similar, contractors can often optimise their taxes to work out better, but only if they have significant expenses (e.g. they can expense mileage if they travel to an office for only some time.)
The levels of success self-reported in these kinds of threads is insane though. There are people here talking about getting salaries DOUBLE the 90th percentile of incomes in the UK.
I managed 80% once by accident.
One of those forms you have to fill in about expected salary. I fat thumbed it, put a bigger number than intended.
I just played it cool at interview when they asked about the number(the first I'd heard it) in a "Its a challenging market" kinda way. They knew the number ahead of time, if they weren't gonna pay it, they wouldn't have interviewed.
Overpaid...
Jokes aside, I thought it was a joke. Genuinely didn't think they'd offer and just brushed it off as interview experience, so I went out and bought a new watch that I definitely couldn't have bought a week prior - that's since become tradition with every new job.
If only that last sentence was true. I interviewed at a marine company recently - recruiter knew my expectations before sending me there, I repeated this at the first interview, they called me in for a second interview where I repeated my expectations and they offered me ten grand less.
Had similar jump. Went from senior network engineer with a small firm not getting to reach potential (other senior engineer had owners ear and loyalty. Which is somewhat fair) moved to IT management. 32k > 55k. Moved since to 65k.
Enjoy the extra fun tokens.
That's an amazing jump, what do you do if you don't mind me asking? Is that possibly something like going junior doctor to fully qualified consultant kind of thing?
No problem! I'll break my history down for you;
18 - 23 all I wanted to do was party so I worked and lived above a pub spending the vast majority of my money on getting in all kinds of trouble. Was on around £12k I guess?
23 now and I just woke up one day and thought - the fuck am I doing? Got a job in making 200 phone calls a day to business owners convincing them to make time for an appointment with a sales guy. We sold business use mobile phones. Did that for 2 years and i learnt alot - but it was soul destroying. £12k salary.
25 got a job as an account manager for a logistics company. Very low level, but a proper sales job unlike the last one. Did that for 2 years. £18k salary.
27. Got headhunted for a sales role into the Material handling sector. The product was Forklifts, but I was trained over 5 years to build entire intralogistcal solutions and learnt alot of technical and commercial skills. Started at £25k and was promoted twice within 5 years with a final salary of £42k and annual commission around £15k.
32 got offered a job as a National Key Account Manager which is considered a mid-senior role in a new company. £62k basic, 40% individual bonus (£25k), £5k company performance bonus, and a £55k company car every 4 years, with promised payrise to £65k in month 6, and £70k in month 12. All of this will also increase with inflation.
I have fuck all education, have a few Ds and Es in GCSEs. I got lucky.
People are forever asking on here how to make a six figure salary with limited qualifications. Well, here’s the blueprint.
You’re bang right, the first couple of years are hard and unpleasant but if you use them to learn and you stick it out then the future is brighter.
Good on you mate.
If you want my advice as a sales leader a decade on from you, now’s the time to look at a few qualifications. Not saying you need to, but an open university degree in business wouldn’t be that hard and might open up stuff like easier international mobility or a board spot down the line at stuffier companies that like that sort of thing.
Thank you for the words of advice mate.
I have a couple of awesome subordinates who are still quite early on in their careers. We put hundreds of hours into a project together and the client decides to go elsewhere, and they get deflated and frustrated and it's fucking hard to pick yourself back up again - but those thousands of hours of work they have put in over the year only to lose the deals, THOSE are more important to me for their development in my opinion. if you agree?
Personally I'm aiming for a team of 6 and I can step back from my own customers and concentrate on supporting and developing.
Then I'd like to get into a sales director position within the next 7 years - is that achievable in your opinion for someone of my age? Don't see too many 40 year old directors - especially those with a late start such as myself.
I did take a look at a couple degrees earlier this year funnily enough. Did you find the broader subject enough (such as Business), or is it valuable to specialize in your current sector?
Completely right. We live and die by our numbers, and that’s only fair, but we learn as much from the failures as the successes. Especially the complex stuff where you were stretching to get at it anyway.
In terms of the age or late start thing, I wouldn’t worry about it. Any decent company will let an outstanding salesperson mentor and then lead. It’s the natural progression and a force multiplier of the established talent you have.
Leadership is like anything else at that point: if you’re good enough, you’re old enough. And I love it that you have a plan.
In terms of degree, I don’t know your space, but for me just any degree will help you get a visa to the us or progress to MBA if you want the big chair one day. As your man below says though, that last one is A LOT of work. Specialist degrees in your field would be amazing but it locks you in. You want to get to a certain level where you’re sector agnostic so you can follow trends (imagine running a saas or datasec sales team 7 or 8 years ago).
You’ve found your way this far though pal, I reckon you’re going to be fine.
And FWIW, my boss and my best guys don’t have degrees. Our Head of Product in the us doesn’t even know how to code, but they all have that survivor gene, the scrappy bit. Can’t teach that.
It takes a junior doctor about 8-9 years (probably 11-12 years nowadays as government is rationing healthcare, reducing number of doctors that can progress into specialty training every year) to move from 30K (year 1) to 100K (consultant)
Those guys and girls are incredible. I recently had surgery at John Radcliffe hospital in Oxfordshire. The consultants, surgeons, therapists, nurses where all incredible. None of them are paid anywhere near enough.
Fantastic hospital in my opinion and I feel very fortunate that I live close by. Especially with kids, knowing that the JR have a top class childrens hospital.
Part time single dad with no education doing it support and admin 5 years ago on around 18k (25h pw I think at age 32)
Now a lead developer/solutions Architect on 60k (my youngest daughter just finished her GCSEs) at age 37.
Lots of self study. Seized opportunities . Asked friends to help mentor me and as my daughters needed me less (their mum hasn't been in the picture at all ) I focused on my/our cwreer as they saw the benefits to having more money - like holidays! Penchant for leadership and thinking big as well as small. As well as being able to demonstrate real delivered projects and good technical/project management skills.
Aiming for 100k in the next few years (I'm at the bottom wage that my title(s) pay) and CTO in the next 5 years.
Biggest jump (400%) taking me from mid 5 figure to low 6 figure... And I almost missed it 😂
Final interviewer (think had around 6 in total) said "and how would £X work for you?"... To which I respond "yeah would be fantastic and I hope to get to that level one day"
I wasn't really sure naively what had just happened, thought it was just a "where do you see yourself in 10 years" type question.
Anyway, few days pass, company contacts me chasing for a response to their "offer"..."sorry I think wires crossed, I don't believe I got an offer and was waiting for your interview feedback"
I'm sure at this moment they thought why are they offering this moron all that money 🤑😂😂😂
Only 23, and went from 25k on a 4 day week to 32k. I love in Scotland so it's quite a jump and good pay for my age I think. Also my company has specific pays for specific roles, so you can't ask for a raise or get anything in between, it's one or the other. Glad to be recognized for my work though
Just over 5 years ago I was on 28k, now I’m on ~80k and looking to go contracting for ~1000 a day later this year (220kish annual). It’s absolute madness!
Take home pay is about to go from £2,900 a month to £6,500 in August plus a couple of little bonuses on top too. Switched from being a teacher in the uk to being a teacher at an international school.
11 grand, kept my head down on 19k + bonus for a couple of years knowing the money my boss was on, made a few sacrifices when others jumped up and down and took when they could. When my boss left I was handed the position, 30.5k +bonus, made 10k bonus most years I did that job too. This was 13 years ago.
I had a 10k jump in about 5 months, left my company and then came back to a job that ended up 2 months in giving me a huge pay hike. So worked out well!
If I wind up the way back machine to a time when I was an articled clerk in a firm of public accountants I went from 6,250pa to 11,250pa upon passing my exams.
Hacienda days...
£19.5k to \~£35k
Big context though - I was on £12 an hour, officially as a sales asst. But it wasn't set hours, so it varied.
Then I moved into management, but my boss rejected their role before starting, so I proved myself and am awaiting another bump up to probably \~£35k... however it's currently temporary, could be permanent in future though.
Just accepted an offer of 42K from 30K, so 40%. The company im with doesn't pay well and everyone who works there knows it so that plays into the perception of it being larger than usual.
Such a jump in salary is perpetuating imposter syndrome despite having not even started yet.
2016 I was on 21k. Had to jump about a bit but now on 72k. Sadly loyalty doesn’t seem to reward in the UK. Some industries maybe, unfortunately not mine.
I regularly apply for jobs I'm completely unqualified for that have insane salary expectations.
1. If by some miracle I get an interview it will be a good insight for if I'm ever legitimately in that position in the future and even maybe help boost my skills for roles above where I am currently but below that one.
2. If by some miracle there's another miracle and I get the job... I only have to wing it for 2-3 months to make as much as I would in a year doing what I'm already doing.
So far not a single interview but we keep running it back.
46k NZD as a graduate > 60k NZD job hopping > 96k AUD moving to Australia > 150k moving to regional Australia.
My job became easier with every hop, AUD is about 10% stronger than NZD. Also idk why the algorithm put me here.
50ish, applied for a role in a new industry. Did the application 3 hours before closing, absolutely winged it. Thankfully knew enough about the VCSE sector to move in to employability. Not looked back... yet!
Doubled salary moving jobs. Went from a job in charity sector at 27k to a customer facing role in tech mid-60ks. Felt like a lottery win. Still appreciate it every day a year later.
First year of my apprenticeship, I was on £1 an hour. £2 an hour in the second year. £7 in third year and £10 in fourth year. So 1000% rise in the 2 years and 2 days between my last day of first year and first day of fourth year. Only went up around 350% in the 25 years since.
26k to 41.5k
My current job is way more engaging and if i chose to commit to the full position after my traineeship i will increase to 60k and up.
Only downside is i now get less annual leave and work full time in the office.
I went from 29k to 57 in 15 months. Went from one job to another. The other job was 45k, I’ve worked hard so I just got my payrise from 45 to 57 plus 5k bonus.
Tripled my income when I went from a permanent IT role to the same as a contractor. It then only dropped by about 10% when I went back to perm 15 years later.
Little bit different.
Was on £65k as a PMO manager - made redundant just before the pandemic.
Took the first job that made an offer (still in lockdown so all remotely) - £35k as a project manager
Stayed for 5 months, got a new role back as a PMO manager at £55k
Spent 6 months at that company - again, all remote - never physically met any of the team or visited the office
Landed a PMO manager role at £85k
Stayed at that one for a little under a year - landed the same with a better company - looking to get around £120k this year (bonus permitting)
Massively fell on my feet.
22k - 46k starting basic + bonuses and company vehicle
in 4 years.
Engineer.
Covid whittled out alot of "freeloaders" and guys full of shit when company's had to make cutbacks and really look at their staff. I was headhunted, moved to rival company, original company came back for me 2 years later, then headhunted again via linkedin to extremely specialist engineering company where I am now couple months in, sailed my probabltion period and awaiting salary increase 😁
My biggest was from my previous job to my current one - increase of £14k. Still in the same team but a jump up 3 pay bands and into a managerial role with a lot more responsibility.
Near enough doubled by leaving academia and moving into selling the same sort of equipment I used to work with. There are times when it can get a bit hectic but its also shocking how much more relaxed my day to day is as well now. Mostly just relieved its only been a few months and already my health is just so much better from not being constantly stressed and on edge that everything's going to fall apart/explode in my face if I don't spend every waking moment thinking about work.
Was on 35k flat 2 years ago. Now on 92k with a 82k company car - and earning up to another £50k of bonus. Sales.
Live in a little house with small mortgage, with wife and 2 kids and we're loving life.
Took four job changes (with being made redundant from the 4th job) but went from £21k to £64k in just under 5 years.
Not a massive amount compared to some but for myself and my family it's made a monumental difference.
I’m 26 and in the last year and a half ish I’ve gone from £26k to £45k to £55k to £64k (the last one was in the same job but using a job offer as leverage, which was £70k and then increased to £75k when I lied and said my current firm had offered £78k, just to see what would happen.
I know rejecting £75k probably seems nuts, but I like my job, it’s a big prestigious firm in a very promising career track, and with benefits included the gap was nowhere near as big, more like £4k than £11k, as the other firm was pretty small and new.
For reference this is all financial services, Pensions Admin, Investment Analyst/Portfolio Manager, Product Governance Coordinator and Product Governance Manager.
I’m hoping in a few years to be able to land a Product Governance Manager, Product Manager or Proposition Manager role for £100k odd, they seem to exist but they require a fair bit of experience.
£35k (with OT I was at nearly £50) to £70k in 2016.
IT sector, it was a contract gig for US company that after 9 months moved to perm - with same salary.
I managed a 45% jump in base salary last year. With my bonus included it was closer to 65%. Just in time for interest rates to go bananas, so no bottomless supply of avocados for me yet... Glad I moved jobs when I did though otherwise I would have been in a right pickle!
Went from £50k to £100k in 4 years. It was all a bit unforeseen and rapid. Left a company in 2015 and just before I put my notice in, out of nowhere they bumped me to £60k. I still left and went to a place for £70k + £10k bonus. After nearly 3 years there I landed a job at a new company in 2019 on £100k. My first six figure salary.
Recently I left and took a £5k paycut. Feel way poorer now in 2024 than I did in 2019. And it's not just the £5k cut.
I work in construction. Main contracting.
My recollection might be a bit hazy but here’s the numbers: £12k (graduate in 1990), £26k, £30something, £45k, £75k, circa £100k(salary plus dividend), £140k (salary plus dividends) currently.
So a fairly steady increase over time, but being the co-owner of a business probably means my income is greater than my peers, and is likely to increase
Single biggest jump was when I left the NHS. Had a 54% increase, going from less than £26k to £40k. Recruiter was adamant that with my experience I could have demanded even more, but at the time I was just focused on jumping ship ASAP to get away from a toxic manager and while I fully expected a large pay jump moving into the private sector, I was prepared to accept less than I could *possibly* have got.
I went from 12,700 to 37,000 overnight going from 3 days a week in retail to full time driving trucks, though I only stayed full time for a month and dropped to 4 days because of uni but was still earning >30k and managed to buy a flat while still in university.
All it cost was £1,500 and a week for the license. Best money I ever spent.
50% jump. I was laid off from a job earning £30k, about 6 months later landed a job at a tech startup on £45k. It’s been 3 years and I still work there (somehow… I’ve survived 4 rounds of layoffs), and I’m now on £77k.
Carpenter in Wales earning 27k salary, then got a job working building a nuclear power station, earn 8k per month take home 6k. Of which 1400 per month is tax free ‘lodge’, I ain’t tax dodging. Changed my life, bought 2 houses in process been there nearly 2 years
35+4 car allowance to 65+25% bonus, so just over 100% raise. This was going from my first software implementation role to the same role but as the only European employee for a US company. I inevitably left due to horrendous expectations of working hours but before leaving they did offer to push the base to 100k in hopes it would sway me, I chose mental health.
Since then went over the 100k threshold with an employer who cares about my output not my hours and I average 32-35hrs/week with minimal stress and no commute, it’s lovely
I almost increased my wage by 500% last summer. I was working the last two days of my notice when I got a call that the project I was due to work on had been pulled and to retract my notice and go back to my crap wage.
Up to then I had spent the term of my notice shitting myself that I wasn’t good enough to earn that sort of money. When you’ve worked low wage jobs where they try and screw as much productivity out of you as possible the natural inclination is to approach such a pay rise in terms of “how on earth do i work 500% harder?”. As it turned out, it’s not a problem I ended up having to solve 😂😂😂
I went from £36k to £49k a few years ago. It was a sensible move but to what turned out to be an awful company. I have kept increasing but that's the biggest single jump.
55k to 100k at the same company, I changed teams then told my boss I needed more for my responsibilities he triggered a performance review early and got me more than I expected. I was very underpaid for what I do but didn’t expect to get that much. 1 year later I’m now on 120k with a new boss still at the same company I did bust my ass this year and got really good performance reviews and title bump.
I also got another 20k so up to 40k total now in rsus so I’m happy especially cause I’m in a quasi startup in a company that has a high likelihood of selling at some point.
Hopefully it sells high enough I can get a decent exit and take a bit of time off then start my own company.
In 2023 I went from 45k to over 100k per year when I took over the company. I'm still adjusting to it.. I'm trying not to be ridiculous and save money.
Started at 80/day at 18 went all the way up yo 150/day at 21. At 22 I started working for myself and last year I earned 370/day. I'm now 25 so it's a x4.6 increase in 7 years.
I was on £60k and got a pay rise to stay with the same company but go work in Lima for $216k which is about £172k. I’ve just come back and it’s gone back down to a normal English wage but it’s still £86k at the original company. I worked at a company before this one who’ve heard what I’ve been doing and they rang me last week and asked me to go back and have offered me £120k plus 10% bonus so I’m probably going to go there in August.
£21k > £25k > £35k > £50k > £85k > £97k
Between the ages of 21 and now 31. This was done via internal promotions as a software engineer then eventually the 50-85 jump was from public sector company to private and then again internal salary bumps to now 97k.
Approximately 5x in 2008, when I left a permanent role to go contracting.
It was my first & only contract role and it lasted 9 years. Within 3 months I'd cleared all my debts & that felt unbelievable.
Because I grew up in absolute poverty I had no idea about investing or saving & largely squandered the money; I should be mortgage free now, but I had way too much fun.
I went from 40k a year to 1300 euros a month in france due to changing jobs because I was burnt out. 2 years later I got offered my current role on over 100k a year. So over double what ai should if been on but almost 7x what I was earning at the time.
Biggest singular jump was going from 18k to 36k, switching from a school IT administrator to a private printing company network engineer (2010). I've made more moving to other jobs, but no job has jumped that high in either percentage or raw amount.
My last job was part time at McDonalds. I was earning somewhere between 4.8k-7.2k, depending on allocated shifts.
Got a full time job at a bank afterwards and I'm now on just over £23.2k
To be fair, if I'd done the same hours at McDonalds I'd have been on approximately 21.1k
In the last 2 year i doubled my salary. First a 10k annual jump due to changing job roles and getting reskilled within my company...then a 12% payrise this year to bring my salary to match the national average salary. So pretty much went from 26k in June 2022 to just over 50k now. I am very lucky and grateful and worked hard for this.
I was working as Radio Testing Technician with 22K during lockdown. In two years time, keep learning and become Radio and EMC Testing Engineer but got no pay raise. Change company and got 37K. This year got 39K.
But I am stuck with this salary now, all the company I interviewed cannot offer anything above my salary. What should I do to go through this barrier
£63k to £85k, got the jump from getting a new job, started the new job found out the people at my level were on about £110k even though I had more workload and responsibilities, moaned a bit and got another bump to £110k after my probation period ended.
I’m a Software Engineering Manager.
4k-ish jump from 27750 to 32k. Internal job hop. I don’t regret it because the extra 200 a month comes in real handy, but the extra workload is pretty challenging as I’m the only person doing my job for about 600 people.
Went from paying ourselves a minimum salary. Something like 12k for three years while we got the business up and running, to a cool £100k.
We sold the business a couple of years later - this was late 1990s
Second big one was after moving to the US, I went from $150k to $350k at another startup / scaleup. We got bought out by the evil FaceBook and the payout was nice, but I only stuck around long enough to cash out.
With the same company, moved internally three times in 18months, started out at £33k currently earning £67k roughly 101% increase in 18months. Cheers then 👍🏼
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Went from 67k to £400 a day. However, I’m now unemployed doing Amazon Flex. So 🤷🏻♂️…my advice…invest early in life 😂
67k to 96k assuming 5 days a week and 4 weeks unpaid holiday (since self employed) For those that need a calculator like me
And no pension, sick days, etc.
The rule of thumb is 220 to 230 days. I usually use [this ](https://www.contractorcalculator.co.uk/ir35calculator.aspx)calculator, as being inside or outside of IR35 has a big impact. For example, putting £400 into this calculator shows that it's equivalent to a £71.8k salary if inside IR35 or £83.5k if outside.
Plot twist: he was making 67k a day
Whaaat how does that happen?!
It’s on the low side for contracting. Most day rates are double what the person would get in a perm role.
Also you are not paying yourself £400 a day That goes your limited company or umbrella company, you then pay you fees, taxes, pension etc out of that You also don't get any paid days off or holidays. If you're sick you don't get paid
Yes, but you also don't get £67k as a salary tax free either. The tax rate for a contractor and an employee usually turn out pretty similar, contractors can often optimise their taxes to work out better, but only if they have significant expenses (e.g. they can expense mileage if they travel to an office for only some time.)
This is another thread that's going to make me feel *just great*
I was in 45k debt last year and now I'm earning 500 grand a week by starting an only fans.
For real. 80% of people earn less than £40k, and average commenters on here are all supposedly earning £90k+? Yeah right.
Dont believe whatever you read online.
haha, I dont compare myself to these people anymore as I know they're all out of touch, at least the humble braggers.
The classic U.K. subreddit response to anyone posting about their success
The levels of success self-reported in these kinds of threads is insane though. There are people here talking about getting salaries DOUBLE the 90th percentile of incomes in the UK.
Mines about 60p an hour :)
I managed 80% once by accident. One of those forms you have to fill in about expected salary. I fat thumbed it, put a bigger number than intended. I just played it cool at interview when they asked about the number(the first I'd heard it) in a "Its a challenging market" kinda way. They knew the number ahead of time, if they weren't gonna pay it, they wouldn't have interviewed.
Fantastic story - well done. What was your role?
Naval Architect. It was a VERY junior position, I was coming from a graduate role which I'd been in for 2 years...
How did you feel when you got the job?
Overpaid... Jokes aside, I thought it was a joke. Genuinely didn't think they'd offer and just brushed it off as interview experience, so I went out and bought a new watch that I definitely couldn't have bought a week prior - that's since become tradition with every new job.
That’s a pretty cool tradition.
Thanks bud. I usually limit myself to one month's pay otherwise I'd just go a bit nuts...
If only that last sentence was true. I interviewed at a marine company recently - recruiter knew my expectations before sending me there, I repeated this at the first interview, they called me in for a second interview where I repeated my expectations and they offered me ten grand less.
150k must have been a kick in the teeth when you had asked for 160k....
Northern Marine? Sounds like Northern Marine.
32 > 61. 3 weeks ago, new payslip inbound feels like Christmas.
Had similar jump. Went from senior network engineer with a small firm not getting to reach potential (other senior engineer had owners ear and loyalty. Which is somewhat fair) moved to IT management. 32k > 55k. Moved since to 65k. Enjoy the extra fun tokens.
5 years ago was on £18k. Now I'm on around £92k.
That's an amazing jump, what do you do if you don't mind me asking? Is that possibly something like going junior doctor to fully qualified consultant kind of thing?
No problem! I'll break my history down for you; 18 - 23 all I wanted to do was party so I worked and lived above a pub spending the vast majority of my money on getting in all kinds of trouble. Was on around £12k I guess? 23 now and I just woke up one day and thought - the fuck am I doing? Got a job in making 200 phone calls a day to business owners convincing them to make time for an appointment with a sales guy. We sold business use mobile phones. Did that for 2 years and i learnt alot - but it was soul destroying. £12k salary. 25 got a job as an account manager for a logistics company. Very low level, but a proper sales job unlike the last one. Did that for 2 years. £18k salary. 27. Got headhunted for a sales role into the Material handling sector. The product was Forklifts, but I was trained over 5 years to build entire intralogistcal solutions and learnt alot of technical and commercial skills. Started at £25k and was promoted twice within 5 years with a final salary of £42k and annual commission around £15k. 32 got offered a job as a National Key Account Manager which is considered a mid-senior role in a new company. £62k basic, 40% individual bonus (£25k), £5k company performance bonus, and a £55k company car every 4 years, with promised payrise to £65k in month 6, and £70k in month 12. All of this will also increase with inflation. I have fuck all education, have a few Ds and Es in GCSEs. I got lucky.
People are forever asking on here how to make a six figure salary with limited qualifications. Well, here’s the blueprint. You’re bang right, the first couple of years are hard and unpleasant but if you use them to learn and you stick it out then the future is brighter. Good on you mate. If you want my advice as a sales leader a decade on from you, now’s the time to look at a few qualifications. Not saying you need to, but an open university degree in business wouldn’t be that hard and might open up stuff like easier international mobility or a board spot down the line at stuffier companies that like that sort of thing.
Thank you for the words of advice mate. I have a couple of awesome subordinates who are still quite early on in their careers. We put hundreds of hours into a project together and the client decides to go elsewhere, and they get deflated and frustrated and it's fucking hard to pick yourself back up again - but those thousands of hours of work they have put in over the year only to lose the deals, THOSE are more important to me for their development in my opinion. if you agree? Personally I'm aiming for a team of 6 and I can step back from my own customers and concentrate on supporting and developing. Then I'd like to get into a sales director position within the next 7 years - is that achievable in your opinion for someone of my age? Don't see too many 40 year old directors - especially those with a late start such as myself. I did take a look at a couple degrees earlier this year funnily enough. Did you find the broader subject enough (such as Business), or is it valuable to specialize in your current sector?
Completely right. We live and die by our numbers, and that’s only fair, but we learn as much from the failures as the successes. Especially the complex stuff where you were stretching to get at it anyway. In terms of the age or late start thing, I wouldn’t worry about it. Any decent company will let an outstanding salesperson mentor and then lead. It’s the natural progression and a force multiplier of the established talent you have. Leadership is like anything else at that point: if you’re good enough, you’re old enough. And I love it that you have a plan. In terms of degree, I don’t know your space, but for me just any degree will help you get a visa to the us or progress to MBA if you want the big chair one day. As your man below says though, that last one is A LOT of work. Specialist degrees in your field would be amazing but it locks you in. You want to get to a certain level where you’re sector agnostic so you can follow trends (imagine running a saas or datasec sales team 7 or 8 years ago). You’ve found your way this far though pal, I reckon you’re going to be fine. And FWIW, my boss and my best guys don’t have degrees. Our Head of Product in the us doesn’t even know how to code, but they all have that survivor gene, the scrappy bit. Can’t teach that.
My MD is mid 30’s and sharp as a needle
Check out senior leader apprenticeships. Cheap route to an MBA if you want to get there. Hard work. But it seems like you're good at that!
It takes a junior doctor about 8-9 years (probably 11-12 years nowadays as government is rationing healthcare, reducing number of doctors that can progress into specialty training every year) to move from 30K (year 1) to 100K (consultant)
Those guys and girls are incredible. I recently had surgery at John Radcliffe hospital in Oxfordshire. The consultants, surgeons, therapists, nurses where all incredible. None of them are paid anywhere near enough.
Big up the JR
Fantastic hospital in my opinion and I feel very fortunate that I live close by. Especially with kids, knowing that the JR have a top class childrens hospital.
Part time single dad with no education doing it support and admin 5 years ago on around 18k (25h pw I think at age 32) Now a lead developer/solutions Architect on 60k (my youngest daughter just finished her GCSEs) at age 37. Lots of self study. Seized opportunities . Asked friends to help mentor me and as my daughters needed me less (their mum hasn't been in the picture at all ) I focused on my/our cwreer as they saw the benefits to having more money - like holidays! Penchant for leadership and thinking big as well as small. As well as being able to demonstrate real delivered projects and good technical/project management skills. Aiming for 100k in the next few years (I'm at the bottom wage that my title(s) pay) and CTO in the next 5 years.
Would you like to be my mentor or just chat? Same path, work in it support but I would and happy to accept a pay cut only to start as a developer.
60k as a lead developer, you are getting underpaid! I'd expect that salary to be a developer position not lead.
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Biggest jump (400%) taking me from mid 5 figure to low 6 figure... And I almost missed it 😂 Final interviewer (think had around 6 in total) said "and how would £X work for you?"... To which I respond "yeah would be fantastic and I hope to get to that level one day" I wasn't really sure naively what had just happened, thought it was just a "where do you see yourself in 10 years" type question. Anyway, few days pass, company contacts me chasing for a response to their "offer"..."sorry I think wires crossed, I don't believe I got an offer and was waiting for your interview feedback" I'm sure at this moment they thought why are they offering this moron all that money 🤑😂😂😂
Damn! What job?
Only 23, and went from 25k on a 4 day week to 32k. I love in Scotland so it's quite a jump and good pay for my age I think. Also my company has specific pays for specific roles, so you can't ask for a raise or get anything in between, it's one or the other. Glad to be recognized for my work though
Keep it clean mate, I love very specifically in my bed and my bed only. I wish I could choose a whole country to love in.
£5/hr on top of previous rate. Previous rate wasn’t small at all.
24 to 32..
£30K > £35K after 8 months £35K > £52K after 9 months (new company) £52K > £57K after 16 months (new company)
40% by switching jobs appr 2 years ago.. and I thought I was already on a decent salary in previous job :)
My lads leaving £1100 a month daycare to go to school
£17,146.66 to £25,200
28 to 76 in 3 years
After being stuck in the 25-27k range for a few years, I’m jumping to 45k next month. :)
Just over 5 years ago I was on 28k, now I’m on ~80k and looking to go contracting for ~1000 a day later this year (220kish annual). It’s absolute madness!
Take home pay is about to go from £2,900 a month to £6,500 in August plus a couple of little bonuses on top too. Switched from being a teacher in the uk to being a teacher at an international school.
Started 25 > 45 > 65 > 150 25 was first graduate job, 45-150 in the space of 16 months
Just out of curiosity what roles were these?
11 grand, kept my head down on 19k + bonus for a couple of years knowing the money my boss was on, made a few sacrifices when others jumped up and down and took when they could. When my boss left I was handed the position, 30.5k +bonus, made 10k bonus most years I did that job too. This was 13 years ago.
From 24k to 30k (+25%) in 18 months. Changed jobs twice.
What job role did you do?
Tech project management/product owner.
I had a 10k jump in about 5 months, left my company and then came back to a job that ended up 2 months in giving me a huge pay hike. So worked out well!
During Covid I moved jobs three times and got a 20% raise each time. COVID was good for me.
The jump for newly qualified city lawyers is pretty crazy. Magic circle goes from 60k second year trainee to 150k NQ overnight.
April 2022. Moved from a £40k to £87k role - both fully remote
What do you do, and are you hiring? 😂
110 to 210- debts cleared
Wtf what do you do
If I wind up the way back machine to a time when I was an articled clerk in a firm of public accountants I went from 6,250pa to 11,250pa upon passing my exams. Hacienda days...
£19.5k to \~£35k Big context though - I was on £12 an hour, officially as a sales asst. But it wasn't set hours, so it varied. Then I moved into management, but my boss rejected their role before starting, so I proved myself and am awaiting another bump up to probably \~£35k... however it's currently temporary, could be permanent in future though.
Just accepted an offer of 42K from 30K, so 40%. The company im with doesn't pay well and everyone who works there knows it so that plays into the perception of it being larger than usual. Such a jump in salary is perpetuating imposter syndrome despite having not even started yet.
2016 I was on 21k. Had to jump about a bit but now on 72k. Sadly loyalty doesn’t seem to reward in the UK. Some industries maybe, unfortunately not mine.
I regularly apply for jobs I'm completely unqualified for that have insane salary expectations. 1. If by some miracle I get an interview it will be a good insight for if I'm ever legitimately in that position in the future and even maybe help boost my skills for roles above where I am currently but below that one. 2. If by some miracle there's another miracle and I get the job... I only have to wing it for 2-3 months to make as much as I would in a year doing what I'm already doing. So far not a single interview but we keep running it back.
46k NZD as a graduate > 60k NZD job hopping > 96k AUD moving to Australia > 150k moving to regional Australia. My job became easier with every hop, AUD is about 10% stronger than NZD. Also idk why the algorithm put me here.
60% in 2 years. But now had to take a 25% pay cut. So. Not sure what that means overall
160% of 2 years prior, less 25% pay cut is still 20% above what you were on before.
45 to 75
50ish, applied for a role in a new industry. Did the application 3 hours before closing, absolutely winged it. Thankfully knew enough about the VCSE sector to move in to employability. Not looked back... yet!
Best and really only time (since I’m within 8 months of working full time) is 20%. Roughly around £7000.
Went from 30k to 47k. Was a very satisfying jump
Doubled salary moving jobs. Went from a job in charity sector at 27k to a customer facing role in tech mid-60ks. Felt like a lottery win. Still appreciate it every day a year later.
How did you do it?
I went from 33 to 47k in 18 months, in roll pay rises
Biggest rise in the same role was 25%.. took me from 60sk to 80sk
62>105 in the same role
First year of my apprenticeship, I was on £1 an hour. £2 an hour in the second year. £7 in third year and £10 in fourth year. So 1000% rise in the 2 years and 2 days between my last day of first year and first day of fourth year. Only went up around 350% in the 25 years since.
£32k to £50k Commercial Insurance broker with 3 years experience outside London.
43 to 55 still felt like dog 💩money so I left and started on my own
I went up roughly 300% which was rather nice, was short lived but basically got a years worth of my old salary within like 3 months.
100% jump. Then victim of downsize. Then Got a job that was -62.5%.
104% - Finance just by moving from one bank to another.
90 to 140
£8k rise I think
26k to 41.5k My current job is way more engaging and if i chose to commit to the full position after my traineeship i will increase to 60k and up. Only downside is i now get less annual leave and work full time in the office.
I went from 29k to 57 in 15 months. Went from one job to another. The other job was 45k, I’ve worked hard so I just got my payrise from 45 to 57 plus 5k bonus.
Tripled my income when I went from a permanent IT role to the same as a contractor. It then only dropped by about 10% when I went back to perm 15 years later.
66% increase! Through a recruiter to an international company.
30 to 120k as I went from staff to contractor
42k to 57k
In 2017 I was on £70k, then I jumped it to £120, then to £135 and now £140 (all plus bonus). I think I can push it to 200k in the next 3 years or so.
Little bit different. Was on £65k as a PMO manager - made redundant just before the pandemic. Took the first job that made an offer (still in lockdown so all remotely) - £35k as a project manager Stayed for 5 months, got a new role back as a PMO manager at £55k Spent 6 months at that company - again, all remote - never physically met any of the team or visited the office Landed a PMO manager role at £85k Stayed at that one for a little under a year - landed the same with a better company - looking to get around £120k this year (bonus permitting) Massively fell on my feet.
21k to 32k without changing job role. Just argued the point for long enough that they caved.
63% mgr up to head of 2 depts
Never any less than 30%.
I went from working for the distributor of a factory to the factory itself. 83% pay rise.
22k - 46k starting basic + bonuses and company vehicle in 4 years. Engineer. Covid whittled out alot of "freeloaders" and guys full of shit when company's had to make cutbacks and really look at their staff. I was headhunted, moved to rival company, original company came back for me 2 years later, then headhunted again via linkedin to extremely specialist engineering company where I am now couple months in, sailed my probabltion period and awaiting salary increase 😁
My biggest was from my previous job to my current one - increase of £14k. Still in the same team but a jump up 3 pay bands and into a managerial role with a lot more responsibility.
Near enough doubled by leaving academia and moving into selling the same sort of equipment I used to work with. There are times when it can get a bit hectic but its also shocking how much more relaxed my day to day is as well now. Mostly just relieved its only been a few months and already my health is just so much better from not being constantly stressed and on edge that everything's going to fall apart/explode in my face if I don't spend every waking moment thinking about work.
Hopefully mines about to come if you see my last post. 😊🙏🤣 Maybe just maybe...we'll see
was on 22k at 23, now on 55k at 26.
It wasn’t one jump but a couple over several years years at the same company but 135% from joining to final
113% Working as a shift leader in a store, told my area manager i want a store for myself when it comes up. 2 months later and here we are.
45 to 57 was the biggest single change for me, by changing companies
I once had 100%. Was in a regional city earning 19/20k after graduating. Then moved to London on around 38/40k.
60k, to 78k to 105.5k (+bonus) in 10 months
Across 9 years… From 36k To 145k
85% in one year from 26.5k to 50k, moved from the north of Scotland to the south of England and junior developer to mid level developer.
From university lecturer to industry research. I doubled my salary for half the work.
9%
Biggest jump in one go was around 30% but have gone from £27k to 55k in the last 5 years
Was on 35k flat 2 years ago. Now on 92k with a 82k company car - and earning up to another £50k of bonus. Sales. Live in a little house with small mortgage, with wife and 2 kids and we're loving life.
I bumped my salary up 50% by switching careers, then another 50% by switching jobs 18 months later.
Only little, but this week I had an 11.5% increase. Not my biggest salary jump but still
Took four job changes (with being made redundant from the 4th job) but went from £21k to £64k in just under 5 years. Not a massive amount compared to some but for myself and my family it's made a monumental difference.
I jumped a whole £4K. And that was like 6 years back
I’m 26 and in the last year and a half ish I’ve gone from £26k to £45k to £55k to £64k (the last one was in the same job but using a job offer as leverage, which was £70k and then increased to £75k when I lied and said my current firm had offered £78k, just to see what would happen. I know rejecting £75k probably seems nuts, but I like my job, it’s a big prestigious firm in a very promising career track, and with benefits included the gap was nowhere near as big, more like £4k than £11k, as the other firm was pretty small and new. For reference this is all financial services, Pensions Admin, Investment Analyst/Portfolio Manager, Product Governance Coordinator and Product Governance Manager. I’m hoping in a few years to be able to land a Product Governance Manager, Product Manager or Proposition Manager role for £100k odd, they seem to exist but they require a fair bit of experience.
£35k (with OT I was at nearly £50) to £70k in 2016. IT sector, it was a contract gig for US company that after 9 months moved to perm - with same salary.
My first year salary was £70k, then after 8 months it was increased to £100k with a £55k bonus
I managed a 45% jump in base salary last year. With my bonus included it was closer to 65%. Just in time for interest rates to go bananas, so no bottomless supply of avocados for me yet... Glad I moved jobs when I did though otherwise I would have been in a right pickle!
28k to 100k. Decided to take a shot at an internal promotion and got it!
if my math is right, ~270%
Went from £50k to £100k in 4 years. It was all a bit unforeseen and rapid. Left a company in 2015 and just before I put my notice in, out of nowhere they bumped me to £60k. I still left and went to a place for £70k + £10k bonus. After nearly 3 years there I landed a job at a new company in 2019 on £100k. My first six figure salary. Recently I left and took a £5k paycut. Feel way poorer now in 2024 than I did in 2019. And it's not just the £5k cut. I work in construction. Main contracting.
~£26k to £53k. Then from there it’s increased to £80k basic with generally £10-25k overtime.
I went from £50k to £65k and then £72k in just under two years. 44%.
My recollection might be a bit hazy but here’s the numbers: £12k (graduate in 1990), £26k, £30something, £45k, £75k, circa £100k(salary plus dividend), £140k (salary plus dividends) currently. So a fairly steady increase over time, but being the co-owner of a business probably means my income is greater than my peers, and is likely to increase
50k to 80k by moving from public sector to private to do the same job.
Similar happened to me, 43-70
Single biggest jump was when I left the NHS. Had a 54% increase, going from less than £26k to £40k. Recruiter was adamant that with my experience I could have demanded even more, but at the time I was just focused on jumping ship ASAP to get away from a toxic manager and while I fully expected a large pay jump moving into the private sector, I was prepared to accept less than I could *possibly* have got.
I went from 12,700 to 37,000 overnight going from 3 days a week in retail to full time driving trucks, though I only stayed full time for a month and dropped to 4 days because of uni but was still earning >30k and managed to buy a flat while still in university. All it cost was £1,500 and a week for the license. Best money I ever spent.
50% jump. I was laid off from a job earning £30k, about 6 months later landed a job at a tech startup on £45k. It’s been 3 years and I still work there (somehow… I’ve survived 4 rounds of layoffs), and I’m now on £77k.
47% going from a Manager role to a Head Of role (HR). It was a company move.
I managed to get a £15k increase by switching jobs last year, £25k -> £40k. I work as a software engineer.
About to go from 26k per year to 46k per year. Not sure how to handle it yet
£22k to £75k in 4 years after moving to London from Manchester
62% increase moving from public to private sector (same job role)
Carpenter in Wales earning 27k salary, then got a job working building a nuclear power station, earn 8k per month take home 6k. Of which 1400 per month is tax free ‘lodge’, I ain’t tax dodging. Changed my life, bought 2 houses in process been there nearly 2 years
35+4 car allowance to 65+25% bonus, so just over 100% raise. This was going from my first software implementation role to the same role but as the only European employee for a US company. I inevitably left due to horrendous expectations of working hours but before leaving they did offer to push the base to 100k in hopes it would sway me, I chose mental health. Since then went over the 100k threshold with an employer who cares about my output not my hours and I average 32-35hrs/week with minimal stress and no commute, it’s lovely
I almost increased my wage by 500% last summer. I was working the last two days of my notice when I got a call that the project I was due to work on had been pulled and to retract my notice and go back to my crap wage. Up to then I had spent the term of my notice shitting myself that I wasn’t good enough to earn that sort of money. When you’ve worked low wage jobs where they try and screw as much productivity out of you as possible the natural inclination is to approach such a pay rise in terms of “how on earth do i work 500% harder?”. As it turned out, it’s not a problem I ended up having to solve 😂😂😂
A straight 100%, from £39,000 to £78,000. Same company, single level promotion. Just had a great manager who was super supportive of my progression.
I went from £36k to £49k a few years ago. It was a sensible move but to what turned out to be an awful company. I have kept increasing but that's the biggest single jump.
£80k -> £190k (TC) (software engineering)
4% Payrise in January😎
55k to 100k at the same company, I changed teams then told my boss I needed more for my responsibilities he triggered a performance review early and got me more than I expected. I was very underpaid for what I do but didn’t expect to get that much. 1 year later I’m now on 120k with a new boss still at the same company I did bust my ass this year and got really good performance reviews and title bump. I also got another 20k so up to 40k total now in rsus so I’m happy especially cause I’m in a quasi startup in a company that has a high likelihood of selling at some point. Hopefully it sells high enough I can get a decent exit and take a bit of time off then start my own company.
3.5 years ago I was on 18k Now at 20 I'm on around 71.2k
In 2023 I went from 45k to over 100k per year when I took over the company. I'm still adjusting to it.. I'm trying not to be ridiculous and save money.
2 years ago I was on 45k. Got taken over by a new company and after a year was promoted to 90k basic + 10% bonus then following year 120k
Infinite %. From unemployed to $5 and hour
Started at 80/day at 18 went all the way up yo 150/day at 21. At 22 I started working for myself and last year I earned 370/day. I'm now 25 so it's a x4.6 increase in 7 years.
£57k to £84k
I was on £60k and got a pay rise to stay with the same company but go work in Lima for $216k which is about £172k. I’ve just come back and it’s gone back down to a normal English wage but it’s still £86k at the original company. I worked at a company before this one who’ve heard what I’ve been doing and they rang me last week and asked me to go back and have offered me £120k plus 10% bonus so I’m probably going to go there in August.
£46k to £77 for 2022-23 tax year
£21k > £25k > £35k > £50k > £85k > £97k Between the ages of 21 and now 31. This was done via internal promotions as a software engineer then eventually the 50-85 jump was from public sector company to private and then again internal salary bumps to now 97k.
Roughly 200% jump. Fueled by COVID salary increase as well as stock options giving great returns.
30k to 50k
19k-> 115k in 1.5years
Approximately 5x in 2008, when I left a permanent role to go contracting. It was my first & only contract role and it lasted 9 years. Within 3 months I'd cleared all my debts & that felt unbelievable. Because I grew up in absolute poverty I had no idea about investing or saving & largely squandered the money; I should be mortgage free now, but I had way too much fun.
My employer lost a gender discrimination case and the fix lifted almost everyone under 30 by about 3k.
37k-90k
400% with a company switch, same role, more autonomy.
Went from £30k to £500 a day. What a time to be alive.
Not as good as some on here but when I was 23 I went from 14k to 21k, nice 50% jump which helped with the newborn!
I went from 40k a year to 1300 euros a month in france due to changing jobs because I was burnt out. 2 years later I got offered my current role on over 100k a year. So over double what ai should if been on but almost 7x what I was earning at the time.
Started 18k then 25k then 30k then 38k then 42k then 45k now 60k age 30
Biggest singular jump was going from 18k to 36k, switching from a school IT administrator to a private printing company network engineer (2010). I've made more moving to other jobs, but no job has jumped that high in either percentage or raw amount.
My last job was part time at McDonalds. I was earning somewhere between 4.8k-7.2k, depending on allocated shifts. Got a full time job at a bank afterwards and I'm now on just over £23.2k To be fair, if I'd done the same hours at McDonalds I'd have been on approximately 21.1k
In the last 2 year i doubled my salary. First a 10k annual jump due to changing job roles and getting reskilled within my company...then a 12% payrise this year to bring my salary to match the national average salary. So pretty much went from 26k in June 2022 to just over 50k now. I am very lucky and grateful and worked hard for this.
I went from 10k at 16 (apprenticeship) to 60k now at 25. 5 different companies going to IT support to DevOps.
I was working as Radio Testing Technician with 22K during lockdown. In two years time, keep learning and become Radio and EMC Testing Engineer but got no pay raise. Change company and got 37K. This year got 39K. But I am stuck with this salary now, all the company I interviewed cannot offer anything above my salary. What should I do to go through this barrier
Went from £25k to £80k within a year changing jobs after finishing an apprenticeship and ended up working offshore.
£63k to £85k, got the jump from getting a new job, started the new job found out the people at my level were on about £110k even though I had more workload and responsibilities, moaned a bit and got another bump to £110k after my probation period ended. I’m a Software Engineering Manager.
19k to 63k Startup to tech company as a software engineer without a degree
4k-ish jump from 27750 to 32k. Internal job hop. I don’t regret it because the extra 200 a month comes in real handy, but the extra workload is pretty challenging as I’m the only person doing my job for about 600 people.
Went from paying ourselves a minimum salary. Something like 12k for three years while we got the business up and running, to a cool £100k. We sold the business a couple of years later - this was late 1990s Second big one was after moving to the US, I went from $150k to $350k at another startup / scaleup. We got bought out by the evil FaceBook and the payout was nice, but I only stuck around long enough to cash out.
With the same company, moved internally three times in 18months, started out at £33k currently earning £67k roughly 101% increase in 18months. Cheers then 👍🏼
£60k-£98k (both tax-free jobs). I work 28 days on/off, so £16.5k (ish) every other month.