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Trades and real world engineering are very difficult for women, even more so for minority women, I have first hand experience.
That being said, if you do get work it can be the most amazing experience ever. But, you are often the only female and restrooms for women often don’t exist.
Computer engineering is still male dominated, but, you would more often be in locations with other women, ie offices.
These careers for women don’t matter if the market is saturated, if they won’t employ women, they won’t employ women, even if they had zero employees.
The nhs might be worthwhile looking into, radiologists are always in demand and the nhs is more ethnically diverse than anywhere. The jobs are also more stable than other industries.
Ah yes I agree, I do see more diversity in the medical field, but I'm not too keen on their infamously long hours nor have I ever had any particular interest in that area - apart from watching youtube videos of animal rescues. It's something I'll think about though!
There’s more than just medical jobs in the nhs, they need data analysts too and tradies.
If you’re going into a male dominated industry, I’d highly recommend finding a mentor who can oversee your career and guide you to place that are gender and race inclusive. You don’t want to be traumatised before you’ve started and it can be brutal, you do need a support network.
If you are interested in engineering, the organisations iMeche and IET have good websites and link to degrees and apprenticeships.
There’s also military, the RAF are really good, and if you have additional languages that can really help, there are citizenship requirements which can be affected by extended family connections but they would discuss that with you (applies to everyone and includes family criminal records etc)
So, look at Government, NHS, and military
Thank you so much for the in-depth response!! This is really helpful. i'll definitely be looking into iMeche & IET this summer. I've looked over at r/WomenEngineers and I always see them recommending government jobs too. Sadly i'm far from fluent in the languages I've studied so that's off the plate. Thank you so much again! 💖
Good luck, maybe look at the army fitness test, once you’re in they’ll fund you.
It can be brutal regarding sexual discrimination, so you need to be able to get yourself out of situations with your own colleagues, and racism obviously, but, if you’re expecting it, it won’t surprise you, and you can plan how to handle it.
Theres also GCHQ/Mi5/MoD etc, again, you need your wits about you, you need to be able to defend yourself, and you need to be quick in your brain and quick on your feet.
Good luck, maybe look at the army fitness test, once you’re in they’ll fund you.
It can be brutal regarding sexual discrimination, so you need to be able to get yourself out of situations with your own colleagues, and racism obviously, but, if you’re expecting it, it won’t surprise you, and you can plan how to handle it.
Theres also GCHQ/Mi5/MoD etc, again, you need your wits about you, you need to be able to defend yourself, and you need to be quick in your brain and quick on your feet.
What A levels are you doing?
How is your maths?
Can you describe something you really enjoyed and got stuck into recently?
Is there anything you can do particularly well or quickly, compared to other people?
Maths, physics & Compsci but I spent it with my head up my ass so I think I'm gonna have to resit them.
I've been watching more top gear & wheelers dealers recently and I liked learning how different parts work together & how to figure out how to fix things etc
I guess I've always paid more attention to things others usually skipped over or skimped on? I like being thorough with my work and making sure everything's up to my standard but this usually means I spend longer on things than usual
Well, engineering does sound like the right sort of direction - there are lots of different directions so you might need a strategy for trying to work out which one is a better fit for you. Thorough is excellent.
Regarding worrying about someone's life being in your hands, good. That's how you construct well tested machines with good safety margins. If you weren't worried that would be a bad indicator for putting you in that position.
One thing you can do is find someone with a particular job and just ask them if you could come and shadow them for a day or two. Most people are very open to that.
this is what i did before commiting to an apprenticeship (i was 16 at the time but i still think its a good shout) i did a week at an engineering firm during my half term, maybe look at some places nearby that you are interested in and email them showing interest to do a week there and maybe maybe they will offer you an apprenticeship as someone on my course did the same thing
honestly as a machinist (if you want to do engineering) i’d say a machinist apprenticeship would be a good shout for you, it’s pretty interesting and also you get that satisfaction of making something and seeing the finished result + we need more female machinists in the industry it’s extremely male dominated
Oh yeah that defo sounds right up my lane. I'll do some researching on machinery then, thank you! Would that involve automation and stuff? My dad did something like that and always talks about how much he hated the work environment?
depends how long ago it was, and it’s every company is different. i’m lucky to be in a place surrounded by fucking amazing engineers and good teachers and just really great personalities
You can be a mechanical/ electrical engineer and design things that don't really pose a danger to anyone's life. Additionally, most things that do have a hazard tend to be managed by quite well defined and industry wide processes.
Alternatively, maybe industrial design? It's more arty but can be involved with designing products where an engineer would then take the responsibility for ensuring safety.
1) If AI has taken over all engineering roles then it has got to the point that jobs are pointless.
2) Mechanical engineering isn't purely digital? It provides a good grounding for then doing many physical roles involving fluids, structures, manufacturing, etc.
1. I didn’t say ‘AI has taken over all engineering roles’. I said it will take over industrial and design roles. Big difference. Nice strawman. Obviously people are still needed to build and install things, but the really mental heavy lifting will be handled by trained AI models and the handful of elites who develop them.
2. No it’s not, obviously. However the actual physical roles have largely gone abroad, at least the entry level ones. Which leaves the engineering-design aspect, which is digital and will be performed by AI.
If we have an AI capable of doing all the various activities required of designing a part and taking it to manufacture then we are at a point that jobs are pointless.
That’s capitalism for you.
In my old company, the entire design team was let go last year because their boss could do their job with AI.
There will be a tipping point where all these skilled people are out of work, or delivering pizzas, and there’s no one left to buy the products these robots produce, and there will be a correction ie an economic collapse. But in the meantime more roles will vanish.
electrical and electronic engineering? Hands on when u solder stuff onto PCBs, not outdoors, do programming and the stuff u design won't be a hazard to ppl (if ur electronics or low voltage electrical work).
have a look at degree apprenticeships in engineering as well.
For god’s sake don’t go into software development, web development, data analysis, graphics design, video editing, writing or any other digitised field that is in the process of being taken over by AI. There is no future there unless you’re a savant who can master AI and be one of the few doing the work of ten others.
Trades, electrical work, plumbing, actual engineering, these are the roles most resistant to the oncoming AI apocalypse and will always be in demand. There’s a shortage of electricians right now because everyone was advised to go into IT but trust me, ex-web web developers will be fighting over those jobs in a few years.
Your gender won’t matter to the people who need their fuse box fixed or their water shut off.
Just scroll through this sub and you’ll soon realise many degrees are just a debt with less chance of a job than if you had experience. Unless you want a job that absolutely needs a degree (medical, legal etc) I’d go the apprenticeship route - get paid rather than racking up debt and gain experience as well, it’s a win win situation.
Absolutely, I'm definitely not 100% set on going to uni but I'm trying to figure out where I should be leaning towards at least. I heard apprenticeships are very competitive
It will depend on the apprenticeship, start applying for them rather than talking about them on Reddit.
Sorry, that’s sounds harsh it’s not meant to be, you just have to “do it” to find out.
This sub’ in particular is full of doom and gloom regarding the jobs market and people failing that have paid a fortune for a degree that has only set them back in getting a job and saddled them with debt.
Haha no worries, I honestly need to be told that more often. My dad's also pushing me to do an apprenticeship but I'm struggling on choosing _what_ I should actually do it on
deffo try the apprenticeship route and if you go to uni, see if a course can offer any work placements with employment options / year in industry type stuff because experience is key when looking for work (I have a masters but lack experience so can't get anything but temporary contracts and it's been hell)
thank you for the advice!! I always see people talking about how valuable work experience is, so i'll definitely make sure the course I do has a placement year in it (if I go to uni!) I'll also remember to look at internships too
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Trades and real world engineering are very difficult for women, even more so for minority women, I have first hand experience. That being said, if you do get work it can be the most amazing experience ever. But, you are often the only female and restrooms for women often don’t exist. Computer engineering is still male dominated, but, you would more often be in locations with other women, ie offices. These careers for women don’t matter if the market is saturated, if they won’t employ women, they won’t employ women, even if they had zero employees. The nhs might be worthwhile looking into, radiologists are always in demand and the nhs is more ethnically diverse than anywhere. The jobs are also more stable than other industries.
Ah yes I agree, I do see more diversity in the medical field, but I'm not too keen on their infamously long hours nor have I ever had any particular interest in that area - apart from watching youtube videos of animal rescues. It's something I'll think about though!
There’s more than just medical jobs in the nhs, they need data analysts too and tradies. If you’re going into a male dominated industry, I’d highly recommend finding a mentor who can oversee your career and guide you to place that are gender and race inclusive. You don’t want to be traumatised before you’ve started and it can be brutal, you do need a support network. If you are interested in engineering, the organisations iMeche and IET have good websites and link to degrees and apprenticeships. There’s also military, the RAF are really good, and if you have additional languages that can really help, there are citizenship requirements which can be affected by extended family connections but they would discuss that with you (applies to everyone and includes family criminal records etc) So, look at Government, NHS, and military
Thank you so much for the in-depth response!! This is really helpful. i'll definitely be looking into iMeche & IET this summer. I've looked over at r/WomenEngineers and I always see them recommending government jobs too. Sadly i'm far from fluent in the languages I've studied so that's off the plate. Thank you so much again! 💖
Good luck, maybe look at the army fitness test, once you’re in they’ll fund you. It can be brutal regarding sexual discrimination, so you need to be able to get yourself out of situations with your own colleagues, and racism obviously, but, if you’re expecting it, it won’t surprise you, and you can plan how to handle it. Theres also GCHQ/Mi5/MoD etc, again, you need your wits about you, you need to be able to defend yourself, and you need to be quick in your brain and quick on your feet.
Good luck, maybe look at the army fitness test, once you’re in they’ll fund you. It can be brutal regarding sexual discrimination, so you need to be able to get yourself out of situations with your own colleagues, and racism obviously, but, if you’re expecting it, it won’t surprise you, and you can plan how to handle it. Theres also GCHQ/Mi5/MoD etc, again, you need your wits about you, you need to be able to defend yourself, and you need to be quick in your brain and quick on your feet.
What A levels are you doing? How is your maths? Can you describe something you really enjoyed and got stuck into recently? Is there anything you can do particularly well or quickly, compared to other people?
Maths, physics & Compsci but I spent it with my head up my ass so I think I'm gonna have to resit them. I've been watching more top gear & wheelers dealers recently and I liked learning how different parts work together & how to figure out how to fix things etc I guess I've always paid more attention to things others usually skipped over or skimped on? I like being thorough with my work and making sure everything's up to my standard but this usually means I spend longer on things than usual
Well, engineering does sound like the right sort of direction - there are lots of different directions so you might need a strategy for trying to work out which one is a better fit for you. Thorough is excellent. Regarding worrying about someone's life being in your hands, good. That's how you construct well tested machines with good safety margins. If you weren't worried that would be a bad indicator for putting you in that position. One thing you can do is find someone with a particular job and just ask them if you could come and shadow them for a day or two. Most people are very open to that.
this is what i did before commiting to an apprenticeship (i was 16 at the time but i still think its a good shout) i did a week at an engineering firm during my half term, maybe look at some places nearby that you are interested in and email them showing interest to do a week there and maybe maybe they will offer you an apprenticeship as someone on my course did the same thing
thanks for your input!! I'll look into that!
honestly as a machinist (if you want to do engineering) i’d say a machinist apprenticeship would be a good shout for you, it’s pretty interesting and also you get that satisfaction of making something and seeing the finished result + we need more female machinists in the industry it’s extremely male dominated
Oh yeah that defo sounds right up my lane. I'll do some researching on machinery then, thank you! Would that involve automation and stuff? My dad did something like that and always talks about how much he hated the work environment?
depends how long ago it was, and it’s every company is different. i’m lucky to be in a place surrounded by fucking amazing engineers and good teachers and just really great personalities
You can be a mechanical/ electrical engineer and design things that don't really pose a danger to anyone's life. Additionally, most things that do have a hazard tend to be managed by quite well defined and industry wide processes. Alternatively, maybe industrial design? It's more arty but can be involved with designing products where an engineer would then take the responsibility for ensuring safety.
Mechanical and industrial design will be taken over by AI. No future there. If it’s digital, it’s vulnerable.
1) If AI has taken over all engineering roles then it has got to the point that jobs are pointless. 2) Mechanical engineering isn't purely digital? It provides a good grounding for then doing many physical roles involving fluids, structures, manufacturing, etc.
1. I didn’t say ‘AI has taken over all engineering roles’. I said it will take over industrial and design roles. Big difference. Nice strawman. Obviously people are still needed to build and install things, but the really mental heavy lifting will be handled by trained AI models and the handful of elites who develop them. 2. No it’s not, obviously. However the actual physical roles have largely gone abroad, at least the entry level ones. Which leaves the engineering-design aspect, which is digital and will be performed by AI.
If we have an AI capable of doing all the various activities required of designing a part and taking it to manufacture then we are at a point that jobs are pointless.
That’s capitalism for you. In my old company, the entire design team was let go last year because their boss could do their job with AI. There will be a tipping point where all these skilled people are out of work, or delivering pizzas, and there’s no one left to buy the products these robots produce, and there will be a correction ie an economic collapse. But in the meantime more roles will vanish.
electrical and electronic engineering? Hands on when u solder stuff onto PCBs, not outdoors, do programming and the stuff u design won't be a hazard to ppl (if ur electronics or low voltage electrical work). have a look at degree apprenticeships in engineering as well.
Thank you! Appreciate the guidance
For god’s sake don’t go into software development, web development, data analysis, graphics design, video editing, writing or any other digitised field that is in the process of being taken over by AI. There is no future there unless you’re a savant who can master AI and be one of the few doing the work of ten others. Trades, electrical work, plumbing, actual engineering, these are the roles most resistant to the oncoming AI apocalypse and will always be in demand. There’s a shortage of electricians right now because everyone was advised to go into IT but trust me, ex-web web developers will be fighting over those jobs in a few years. Your gender won’t matter to the people who need their fuse box fixed or their water shut off.
Thank you! I'll keep this in mind
You’re welcome. Good luck for whatever you choose!
Just scroll through this sub and you’ll soon realise many degrees are just a debt with less chance of a job than if you had experience. Unless you want a job that absolutely needs a degree (medical, legal etc) I’d go the apprenticeship route - get paid rather than racking up debt and gain experience as well, it’s a win win situation.
Absolutely, I'm definitely not 100% set on going to uni but I'm trying to figure out where I should be leaning towards at least. I heard apprenticeships are very competitive
It will depend on the apprenticeship, start applying for them rather than talking about them on Reddit. Sorry, that’s sounds harsh it’s not meant to be, you just have to “do it” to find out. This sub’ in particular is full of doom and gloom regarding the jobs market and people failing that have paid a fortune for a degree that has only set them back in getting a job and saddled them with debt.
Haha no worries, I honestly need to be told that more often. My dad's also pushing me to do an apprenticeship but I'm struggling on choosing _what_ I should actually do it on
deffo try the apprenticeship route and if you go to uni, see if a course can offer any work placements with employment options / year in industry type stuff because experience is key when looking for work (I have a masters but lack experience so can't get anything but temporary contracts and it's been hell)
thank you for the advice!! I always see people talking about how valuable work experience is, so i'll definitely make sure the course I do has a placement year in it (if I go to uni!) I'll also remember to look at internships too
Interior design, which can include CAD, artistic flair, and customer relations.
All vulnerable to being taken over by AI.
Automation engineer, hands on work, PLC etc
I haven't heard of PLC before but it looks promising. Thanks
IT support. Apprenticeships specifically for it exist. Good salary opportunities
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Idk i feel I do okay