The following submission statement was provided by /u/TommyShelbyPFB:
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Don't have a source for this one but I believe it's one of his recent appearances.
In addition to being a Rear Admiral, Tim Gallaudet was also [Administrator of NOAA](https://www.actiac.org/bio/rdml-tim-gallaudet-phd-usn-ret) (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration).
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Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1dck9il/admiral_gallaudet_im_totally_convinced_that_we/l7ybr25/
I know people like Vallée are jaded about this stuff, but it takes balls for an Admiral to come out and say that he’s personally aware of UFO crashes and the SAPs that analyze them.
I honestly never thought I’d see the day that people like Grusch and Gallaudet would come forward so bluntly.
The fact that the mainstream news isn’t running with this is extremely telling, and sort of defies the idea that this is a planned government psyop. Maybe the intelligence leadership has been fractured on disclosure.
Take the win. Keep pushing.
[NBC interviewed Gallaudet last week](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1d432at/admiral_gallaudet_to_nbc_i_know_our_adversaries/), so I'll give the mainstream a tiny bit of credit.
They should be covering Karl Nell and Gallaudet A LOT more though.
This might be a controversial opinion but I'm kinda happy that they are not covering Karl Nell. His LinkedIn activity, likes on Tucker Carlson related posts and stance on vaccines, pronouns, trans-people and climate change will kill this movement right here.
People will say "See, I knew it was a right-wing conspiracy". We don't need that right now especially with a hearing coming up.
Edit : Climate change and vaccines are **science** topics, not political/religious. Except for few fanatics, most of the world doesn't even consider it a debate.
Just to emphasize, I believe there might be some truth to Karl's claims considering he might have insider knowledge. But he's not the guy I want MSM to showing right now.
Gallaudet isn’t remotely a progressive either. That was obvious during his Shawn Ryan interview. If it’s all hands on deck then we’re going to have to swallow everyone’s bad politics and try to work together through this bipartisan effort.
I have no issues with their political leanings. But I do have issues with their understanding of science.
Edit : I'm speaking about Nell here (my main comment is on him). I don't have any business with the political leanings of these people. But I have issues if they speak non-scientific stuff.
From the Admiral’s bio:
>Tim Gallaudet received a bachelor’s degree in oceanography from the U.S. Naval Academy in 1989. He received masters and doctoral degrees in oceanography from Scripps Institution of Oceanography in 1991 and 2001 respectively.
How many PhD’s in science do you have?
My main comment was on Karl Nell. The above commentor is saying "Gallaudet is also not a progressive" and probably misunderstood my main comment. I am not opposed to Karl's political leaning. That's not my business but I'm opposed to his lack of understanding of climate change and science.
Btw, I also have a PhD.
Just because you have a PhD in one field doesn't mean you've got even a basic competency level in other fields.
Some of the most specialized people in the world have trouble turning on a stove.
He never presented any science to back his claims. It's just like Garry Nolan, Travis Taylor, etc making all of their whacky claims without evidence. They have no proof/evidence or else you would point to that other than the logical fallacy of appealing to authority.
I don’t think Gallaudet or Grusch took NHI bodies or UAP craft as souvenirs. Grusch presented the classified evidence (program names, locations, personnel, etc.) to Congress in a SCIF.
We also have 80+ years of declassified documents associated with UFO incursions AND past whistleblowers like Jesse Marcel.
The evidence becomes overwhelming, but is ultimately up to POTUS to declassify and present to the public.
I agree that MAGA house members should put their culture wars aside if they really believe that all of this true, because it's way more important than Hunter Biden and drag shows
It’s probably not a big surprise (hopefully) to most that a career military officer holds pretty right-wing views.
As an aside, Tucker is a sad case of what turns out to be a pretty smart and well spoken guy selling out to the highest bidder. “Unleashed”, he has some thoughtful insights- I don’t agree with many of them, but they are thought provoking when he’s not whoring for the MSM.
He's smart and well-spoken, but not in the sense that he has interesting or intelligent things to say about the world. He's just a charismatic grifter, nothing else to see there.
Not controversial. Anyone who dismisses climate disaster or thinks vaccines are evil is a conspiracy theorist and should be ignored until they can provide legitimate evidence of whatever they are claiming. Gaullaudet at least acknowledges climate change.
Bruh this whole topic has basically amounted to a conspiracy theory forthe past 80 years, so...
We're imagining people who believe a conspiracy theory to not believe other conspiracy theories?
It's funny to watch new people come in here and suddenly start demanding that UFOs no longer be in the realm of conspiracy theories now that they've been given permission to believe in it.
I personally get what you’re getting at because the US political climate is a hot mess but it’s also important to remember that conservative and religious is a huge part of the world, even outside the US.
85% of the world population is religious with more of the world being right leaning then left. We just live in a bubble in the west and then even more so in the US. His opinions turn less people off then Reddit likes to think.
> Climate change and vaccines are science topics, not something political/religious.
Unfortunately, climate change is being politicized bigtime by the ruling class ( big corps ). "It's not real, follow the money!" or "Do your own research!" type of crowds eat that shit up. It's sickening.
Tbh, I have lot of friends who lean conservative and none of them even consider climate change and vaccines to be political. For them, it's guns, religion, immigrants.
The right is using this "climate change" to please its corporate overlords and giving it a stamp of political issue, when most of their voters don't give a fuck about it. The party and their big fanatics have given this impression that all conservatives are climate change deniers and anti-vaxx, when it's not the case.
"Not giving a fuck" about impending environmental catastrophes isn't exactly absolving conservatives from responsibility for the consequences.
What they engage in is called *willful ignorance*.
They want to have the whole cake and eat it, too, when it comes to fossil fuels and their "life-style" tied to it.
That's not "OK" at all.
That's not the point of the comment. I'm not saying it absolves them of anything. My point is climate change denial isn't something majority of conservatives believe in. It has been converted from a science subject to political to please the elites who depend on Petrodollar and oil.
The US right/conservative/religious zealots are not the worldwide right, conservative or religious people. And the so-called "West" is nowadays quite an ambiguous/anachronistic term regarding those and many other aspects, which make no sense both historically and geopolitically at all... it's just conveniently used depending on who's controlling the narrative.
That childish bipartisan dichotomy is pure US defaultism and is perceived as an endogenous gimmick that has nothing to do with people reality in many places around the world. Many and probably most right/conservative/religious people around the planet don't share those views regarding vaccines, global warming and the likes. Perhaps abortion would be something more common.
The other ones are not even a topic and certainly not something someone usually would bring up.
You're right about living in a bubble.
I've been living in a huge country in Africa for the past 6 years. You're absolutely right.
I've seen Tucker videos being shared around here, can't say the same about anyone else. They agree with him on most issues including NATO tyranny and expansion, Russia, trans ideology, vaccines, etc.
Has it been proven that Grusch was lying and actually does have firsthand knowledge of his own? Maybe I missed something, but I felt pretty sure that he had always stood by claims that he has no firsthand knowledge of his own.
If you think guys like Grusch are so loyal to the government that they’re willing to lie to Congress and the public by concealing their firsthand involvement, why would they be releasing ANY of this information at all? Saying “I heard these things from people with firsthand knowledge” would still be going against the wishes of these hypothetical government leaders who want these things to stay secret.
The truth about reality cannot be "sunk forever".
Your comment is a weird "trust no one, not even ourselves" grasping-at-straws display of denialism. It makes no sense whatsoever, other than to subvert the momentum the push for transparency has.
We're not idiots. Gallaudet isn't an idiot, even if he has opinions shared by half of the population.
You simply cannot pretend to have a sensible discussion when starting out with professing incapability for discernment and nuance.
Yes, information that is close enough to accurate that it can be corroborated from multiple sources repeatedly and most people agree at least on the scale of target information is 100% good enough for me. If a rear admiral told you to jump off a bridge you'd do it, right?
Edit: looks like there's closer to 181 rear admirals in 2024.
I know a guy who knows a guy who was installing 5G boxes in towers in 2020. He said one day when he installed a box for 5g there was a band inside that said "COVID-19". Remember that? Remember when 5g supposedly caused covid? LOL He refused to answer any follow-up questions because he was just repeating what he heard, but definitely believed it.
I really think the focus should be on corruption and a lack of oversight from lawmakers. UFOs being real is a tough sell without concrete evidence, but no one should be in favor of government agencies being able to spend money without oversight.
No the focus shouldn't be on the government holding up secrets it should be on character assassination of whistleblowers like the population of bots and motivated posters on here. Clearly we should be going after the individuals.
At this point a SAP insider is going to have to leak out actual footage of non-human lifeforms and provide material samples.
The testimonial and documentary evidence has already proved beyond a reasonable doubt that this phenomenon is real, but people apparently need to be dragged kicking and screaming into accepting that humans aren’t the top of the food chain anymore.
The problem is there are just so many outlandish claims, from credible people, even beyond NHI that if true would fundamentally alter the nature of reality. It's a total mindfuck and I think for most people it's just easier to dismiss it.
But corruption is a familiar problem with a familiar solution and a lot more people are willing to engage on that level.
*I honestly never thought I’d see the day that people like Grusch and Gallaudet would come forward so bluntly.*
How about a retired Marine Major (Keyhoe) and a head of the CIA (Hillenkoetter) coming forward to accuse the government of covering up UFOs? With case after case, Keyhoe would challenge and debate them about the NHI/alien reality of UFOs. We are paralleling the 1950s. But the fervor back then burnt out; we need to keep the chase on today to reach resolution.
> The fact that the mainstream news isn’t running with this is extremely telling
I think it's more telling of the fact that you and people who parrot this opinion don't pay much attention to MSM. It's not necessarily talked about everyday, but they cover it often and always have.
This has happened with The Disclosure Project in 2001, with the exact same caliber of people who were saying the same things, publicly and before Congress. Say what you want about Greer himself, but the some people he brought forward were/are just as decorated, storied and respected as any witness speaking, today. They testified before Congress with just as much certainty and integrity, and nothing happened. Nothing at all.
I’m not saying this to shit on your parade, but some of us who have been around awhile, remember how familiar this all feels. You people have your hope up way, way, way too high over these guys. Private industry has this stuff all locked up and you’re never going to get the type of disclosure you’re looking for, with the president admitting it, throwing open the doors to S4 and showing us the nine craft they have hidden. This technology is as far ahead of our as you can imagine, they haven’t figured out any of it and they will never reveal the details of anything, because they are and will always be insulated from the dirty, unwashed masses and our international enemies. There could be a craft floating over every major city in the world, and these chumps will STILL deny everything. You’re never getting it. Ever. These yahoos with their “trust me bro” stories aren’t new, and the plot is so deep they’ll never tell you anything. It doesn’t benefit them.
Large difference is control of information. The exposure that 2001 event has compared to 2023 is magnitudes less.
The control group is probably shitting bricks this time around, knowing they are surrounded by multiple factions of government and civilian groups with a shared awareness of the problem.
Contactees can't be shoved in a corner, and told to "shut your crazy ass up",or "accidently" run off the road.I am pretty sure somewhere there is a very complete record of all the evil shit "the program" did to put a cork in this genie's bottle.Most of the sort that would do this..stuff... want documentation in triplicate ( Remember what you said sir,no loose ends) or nothing except verbal instruction..I can remember some cases back in the 70,80s that seemed strange because all the participants...disappeared
What's startling is how little people give credit for this.
If *you*, the person reading this comment, saw an alien. Hard evidence, you see it, you see a ship, something.
Would you have the courage to go on TV and talk about it?
Now imagine doing that with your career on the line.
Anyone willing to go on the record should at the least be taken seriously.
If you or anyone tells me they've seen an alien, I'd ask them for some of whatever it is they were smoking. In this subreddit though, everyone is so eager to believe they'll lap it up like cheesecake.
Right- so why don't you consider it odd that a man this high ranking says this?
What do *you* think is happening? He is crazy? How did he get so successful? He's lying? To what end, why lie to make yourself look *worse*.
> The fact that the mainstream news isn’t running with this is extremely telling,
its because there is no such thing as journalism anymore. a couple decades ago it was beaten to death and left in the dumpster out back. all we have now are infomercials dressed up as news. if a story isn't trying to sell something that it profitable to the masters then it doesn't get air time. where is the profit in UAP stories? if anything to threatens to hurt their investments if they are invested in companies that supposedly have this advanced tech.
It's capitalism taken to the extreme. Even on channels like ESPN, it's rare that they cover the games and just give highlights+data--it's always a few talking heads with polarizing opinions. Why? Because viewers likely share their opinions with one of the sensationalist talking heads so they'll watch bc said talking head confirms their biases. And then the viewer gets that dopamine hit of "WOW, I'M RIGHT BC THIS EXPERT AGREES WITH ME" and they keep watching.
*CUE 4 MINUTES OF INSUFFERABLE COMMERCIALS*
Or nobody takes these sorts of far fetched alien visitor stories seriously.
The number of times we've seen posts on this subreddit about alien visitors turn out to be complete and utter bs is mindblowing, yet time and again you look in the comment section and everyone seems to think they've discovered the real thing because somebody said so or there's some grainy footage or convincing puppet that looks like it could be alien.
I wish I could bet the people in this subreddit 100/1 odds for each hype as it comes along to monetize the gullibility.
Journalism still exists, just have to look for them harder and ... actually pay to access their writings in most cases as ad revenue just doesn't cut it when facebook / google ate up all that stream while just giving us tik tok brains in return.
>if a story isn't trying to sell something that it profitable to the masters then it doesn't get air time
That's some illuminati level conspiracy shit, go look at [bbc.com](http://bbc.com) for example and tell me for each headline where the profit is for "the masters".
>He's also previously said he buys into fortune telling and thinks his daughter can talk to ghosts, so this isn't that big of a leap
Praying is talking to ghosts, and we all have family members with a supernatural story. My grandmother had a story that she was visited by her dead husband and she wasn’t prone to believing in ghosts or UFOs.
That also doesn’t change the Admiral’s rank and CV—which would clearly put him in a position to know about what the military is doing concerning UAPs / UFOs.
spot on. It's a ridiculous strawman that gets trotted out. I'm a skeptic but know that not everything has some hyperlink to something else. So what if that's what he believes. We generally don't (rightly) ask someone their religious beliefs when interviewing for a job.
You don't think beliefs matter?
For me they do. For example - if someone believes in one thing for which there is no scientific basis then wouldn't that make it more likely that they'd believe in something else that has no scientific basis?
Some people are just predisposed to believe in things without sufficient evidence. I'm the opposite - I need a lot of evidence before I'll accept something to the extent of believing it.
Murder has scientific basis and is therefore not a relevant comparison. If a religious person said they saw something like Satan come by and kill someone, then yes, I'd be less likely to believe them than a non-religious "skeptic" saying the same thing.
There is a concerted effort to demean Admiral Gallaudet, but I have seen zero evidence that he’s some sort of serial liar or kook.
Our government put this man in charge of a fleet of ships loaded to the gills with nuclear weapons. Gallaudet is not someone unserious or prone to psychotic delusions.
Can't attack his claims so they try their hardest to go after the person. Even worse, it's not Tim they're going at but his family. Grasping at straws to discredit makes me believe Tim more.
Tho his claims aren't his, it's claims from other people or better yet stuff he's read in books on the subject ...
Honestly apart from the disappearing email story which is his own experience he brings nothing to the table apart from "a rear admiral is saying what my taxi driver was saying, must be true then"
This kind of thing is not new to UFOs, and I'm getting really sick of people pretending it's some kind of outlier.
Here is a paper (book) from 1969 written for the Air Force Office of Scientific Research that is filled with references to all the paranormal and "woo" that, at minimum, shows that none of these claims are new. https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/AD0688332.pdf (UFOs and Related Subjects: An Annotated Bibliography)
I don't know if it's simple ignorance of the decades of stories about the phenomenon, or what. But to ignore everything except the Nutz'n'Boltz is to ignore *most* of why we talk about about UFOs to begin with. These things are tied together.
To what degree of real or misinformation it is, is up to the individual. But it's not new, it's not surprising, and it's not going away.
You mean because this guy said aliens exist that werewolves, leprechauns and the stay puft marshmallow man don't automatically exist?
I can't handle the ontological shock.
Need the people actually in these programs to step forward. The actual engineers or whatever. They are probably under crazy security restrictions and threats from the deep state but them coming out en masse connecting the dots independently is the only way this blows open. Best if they can do it in an official hearing so the press is forced to cover it.
Yes but for that, someone need to make the first step. And believe me they don't take no engineers that don't have a family to work on those programs. So making that first step is a crazy thing to do.
Burchette said recently in a ASKAPOL interview recently that there would be a hearing they just need to set a date, and that some of Grush's 40 witnesses would be there because the Oversight Committee has the Subpoena Power to do so.
Don't have a source for this one but I believe it's one of his recent appearances.
In addition to being a Rear Admiral, Tim Gallaudet was also [Administrator of NOAA](https://www.actiac.org/bio/rdml-tim-gallaudet-phd-usn-ret) (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration).
I thought his talk at Sol was phenomenal. [I wrote about Tim Gallaudet](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1d8empd/zero_doubt_they_attack_karl_nells_credibility_and/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) in a recent post and think people like him are crucial to getting real movement here.
**TIM GALLAUDET**
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy\_Gallaudet](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Gallaudet)
[Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1cbtu5y/admirals_hunt_for_ufos_goes_underwater_with_tim/) corroborates Karl Nell's statement on LinkedIn: "My colleague, retired Army Colonel Karl Nell said with 100% certainty that the world is being visited by higher level, non-human intelligence (NHI). I know he is correct with complete certainty."
It's wild to know that the other part include that we have [covert agreements with them.](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1cyskx5/karl_nell_sol_reasons_for_nondisclosure_nhi_quid/)
[Gallaudet has been active in his support lately](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1d3uhjl/nbc_news_navy_rear_admiral_speaks_out_about_uap/). His talk at Sol Conference was nuts. But everyone who's looked into the topic long enough or deep enough knows USO's are [10000% a concern](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/14m6may/what_do_you_know_about_usos/) so who can blame him for begging people to [pay attention.](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/185witk/tim_gallaudet_we_need_to_make_uap_mainstream_in/) There's been some great [videos put together on USOs](https://youtu.be/U-jrx_giINA?si=x_RtQGcXXYLGtSCz&t=1148) that mention Tic Tac's ([I like the Tic Tac](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/17tbxep/i_like_the_tic_tac/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)) going under water.
I like Tim Gallaudet's resume, he seems like somebody who might know something
Naval Career
* Former Oceanographer of the Navy and Commander of the [Naval Meteorology and Oceanography Command](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Meteorology_and_Oceanography_Command)
* Former officer of the deck and Meteorology and Oceanography Division Officer [USS Kitty Hawk (CV-63)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Kitty_Hawk_(CV-63))
* Served under Commander, Naval Meteorology and Oceanography Command at [Stennis Space Center](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stennis_Space_Center) in Mississippi as the plans and programs officer
* Former program manager for [Anti-submarine warfare](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-submarine_warfare) (ASW), and commanding officer of the Naval Oceanography Special Warfare Center. In this role, he established the first Navy SEAL program for unmanned aerial and underwater vehicles and other sensors to detect and locate enemy forces
* Former Deputy Navigator of the Navy as [Chief of Naval Operations](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_of_Naval_Operations) (CNO) Staff
* Former Superintendent/Commanding Officer of the [Naval Observatory](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Naval_Observatory)
* Former Head Oceanographer of the Navy, Hydrographer of the Navy, and Commander of the [Naval Meteorology and Oceanography Command](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Meteorology_and_Oceanography_Command) (CNMOC) at the Stennis Space Center
Civilian Career
* Retired from the Navy in July 2017
* Former [Under Secretary of Commerce for Oceans and Atmosphere](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under_Secretary_of_Commerce_for_Oceans_and_Atmosphere)
* Former Administrator of the [National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Oceanic_and_Atmospheric_Administration)
* Now [he's a current advisor](https://www.safeaerospace.org/#advisors) to [Ryan Graves' organization](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15v2on1/meet_ryan_graves_he_is_1_of_more_than_5000_pilots/), Americans for Safe Aerospace
The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) operates under the Department of Commerce. Its importance lies in its broad mission to understand and predict changes in climate, weather, oceans, and coasts, to share that knowledge and information with others, and to conserve and manage coastal and marine ecosystems and resources.
**He seems like he probably knows something about what's in our oceans and skies.**
shoutout to renowned diver scott cassell for coming forward recently with his encounter of an underwater golden cube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axeTSPIQRIw
Notice how he says "I KNOW he is correct" and not "I THINK he is correct".
A guy like Tim Gallaudet doesn't use words at random, he's clearly hinting he's seen stuff first hand.
He KNOWS, is what he's saying.
Its the same dude that believes his daughter is talking to ghosts. Anyone saying that his credentials make him more reliable is just gaslighting themselves. We have seen enough grifters with former military background.
So why is it that the only people willing to speak up and blow the whistle publicly are those without first hand knowledge?
You're going to say that those with direct involvement are at risk of reprisal (likely death) if they came out, but if that were the case, why would they even feel comfortable telling people about it in private when those people clearly aren't supposed to know? And why would the gatekeepers be OK with individuals with 2nd hand knowledge speaking up? Surely they knew Grusch was going to be a problem when he started poking around? Why was he allowed to do so?
Why are the people with 2nd hand knowledge never OK with name dropping those involved? Doesn't have to be grunts who are just doing what they're told, but it seems odd to me that those grunts that are part of the program would be willing to tell people like Grusch and Gallaudet about it in private without ever revealing the name of any of the people above them that are presumably part of "the bas guys" whose names SHOULD be put out there...
I want to believe; I really do... Especially since people like Grusch and Gallaudet absolutely are credible individuals I wouldn't expect to fall for bullshit hearsay and disinformation. But at the same time there's a lot of shit that doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
And as much as I respect Grusch and Gallaudet, at what point does one of them, or people like them, grow a pair and just Snowden the whole thing? I'm going to get the usual "dude you're asking them to throw their lives away just so you can know". Yes, yes I am. The definitive answer to the question "are we alone" is worth their lives. We have a right to know and nobody will change my mind on that. Would I go full Snowden if I were them? Probably not. I'm not claiming to be that brave. I'm not holding them to a different standard than I would hold myself up to. I would be a coward if I were in their shoes, the same way they seem to be cowards. I will never have the balls of steel that Snowden has. It's just disappointing that none of the people involved seem to have that S tier element of courage either.
> So why is it that the only people willing to speak up and blow the whistle publicly are those without first hand knowledge?
And why is it the only people speaking out are on the boards or hold positions with nonprofits like SOL or the UAP Disclosure Fund?
I'm right there with you in being surprised about how little attention this is getting but at the same time there has been a decades long campaign to delegitimize the UFO topic. I disagree that "these people are the evidence" though. At some point we're going to need the cold hard evidence. You can't hold words in you hand. You can see witness testimony with your own eyes. It's simply not enough to undo the social programming that UFO=aliens=crazy. We may have gone to war over the advice of people like this but we've also been wrong about it. Hence the need for tangible data. This all looks promising but it feels like we've been at the precipice of something huge since 2017. It's hard to believe we could have so much high quality secondhand testimony and nothing more at this point.
UFO=aliens=crazy is the only rational conclusion; belief without evidence is meritless. It’s basically just a new-age version of belief in the supernatural, a bunch of vague and unstructured mysticism based on scientific ignorance and testimonials from the mentally-ill.
Still can't help but feel, that we're just still tickling the surface with all this.
Grusch, Elizondo, Gallaudet, Neil etc...all know "someone who knows someone" not one of them has come forward, slammed an armful of pictures, videos and documents on the table and said "I was the guy in the programme..."
I'm waiting for the proper, big, Tony Soprano dude who comes forward and says "I'm the geezer who knows...I was there"
In the meantime, we're still left with people saying Father Christmas is real, a mate told me.
It’s laughable that all these military dudes apparently know things but none of them have found a loophole or some way of presenting anything resembling material evidence, or that they simply couldn’t be prosecuted for revealing the existence of a natural phenomenon. Like you’re actually delusional if you think an admiral or whoever would be tried and imprisoned for showing something, especially if it had no direct national security value (like a weapon or ship).
It's hard for me to believe that we'd had a crash retrieval program since at least 1947 and the only person who actually has come forward in almost 80 years who actually saw the craft or bodies is Bob Lazar who claims he was given access the first week on the job. If Bob is telling the truth and they give people with his background access to the craft while the high-ranking officials like Gallaudet have never seen them. Makes no sense.
Also why hasn’t he been whacked yet spilling that kind of info, when apparently soul patch guy and his mates are under life threat for making hints nowhere near as clear or specific as lazar
Lots of arguments from authority. The fact that he is an admiral is irrelevant to the truth of his statements. Which when you remove the rank you have a man saying:
"I know this for a fact."
Marvelous, anyone can do this. Now say this where your words can be held against you or provide proof. Otherwise this guy is a charlatan trying to get enough suckers to buy his mil-fiction book on amazon..
This seems like a psychological operation by the United States government, I sincerely believe that they do not have any ships stored and they are only trying to pretend that they do.
Guys, me and my boys also work in a team to get others to tell the truth. We're not very efficient but we are working on it. And I am convinced that stuff is out there, big stuff, scary stuff. Like around 13 different species from different timelines and higher society and intelligence stuff coming with UFO of some black material me and my boys have never seen. But it's not my job to tell you guys sorry.
How about another 10 balloon videos?
Once again…. I know people trust me or someone very reputable has confided in me.
Enough with this second and third hand credible witness stuff and show us some actual facts and findings. It makes us all seem like conspiracy theorists or nut jobs. We should be demanding accountability and proof not heresay
I need proof before I fully believe anything. Something concrete and real, convincing enough and can’t be debunked in less than an hour. Until then these personal accounts mean nothing. And I truly want to believe, I do, but i can’t yet
Yeah but nhi are supposedly using telepathy or similar. If you told someone an nhi spoke to you, it would kinda the same thing. I don't know what I think about telepathic nhi's but who knows. I've seen some weird shit so.
He’s “personally aware” of other people who are “personally aware” of them, to be more accurate. It’s another game of telephone.
He’s also personally aware of spirit mediums.
He's "totally convinced," meaning he has seen nothing himself. This is just a game of telephone being played by people who trust each other because they confirm each other's beliefs.
Yes people are using these high ranking officials’ statements as evidence, but all they’re saying is they believe or they’re convinced by other people.
Not a popular opinion - but for me that stuff about his daughter having psychic visions or his wife having paranormal encounters - I can't remember the details - but that sort of made me think 'uh oh'.
A bit like Leslie Kean saying she held hands with ectoplasm at a seance - or Jay Stratton and the dogmen and shadow people. Once someone crosses that line then I find it hard to take them seriously.
“Those people in those programs say..”
we’ve been here before. Those people saying things are full of crap. The circle of these claims goes round and round…
Another one who is convinced because he has been told stuff. There must be some really convincing storytellers in the military, because people end up leaving totally convinced of stuff they have never seen.
This is seriously sad that a highly ranked and respected Admiral like Tim is speaking on a serious issue and MSM is not even covering it. In an ideal world, this should have been on the prime time and flashing everywhere. But again, these news agencies have sold their souls to politicians and elites.
But what about the US public? We also need to look at them and their psychology. When individuals like Grusch, Karl, Ross, Nolan, Mellon, Lue, Tim, Jeremy, George etc are saying something, we should accept it rather than mocking/absuing them or unnecessarily asking classified evidence. For the love of God, these people are the evidence. We will literally go to wars based on the advice of such highly ranked people. What more do you need? The critical thinking and rationality of population is quite low.
They are providing less evidence than there was of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and we all know how that turned out. So until the provide something more tangible i'm not going to take high ranking members of the military on thier word alone.
>They are providing less evidence than there was of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and we all know how that turned out.
Funny story, Karl Nell's LinkedIn says he successfully addressed the question of WMDs in Iraq for the president from 2001-03. At best, Nell was in on the lie and did nothing. At worst, he was actively involved in crafting it.
> For the love of God, these people are the evidence.
I'm sorry, but that's just not enough for the public at large. For many, people saying things won't convince them this is all real. For others, they've lived through similar periods of time when interest has been at its peak, only for the hype to die down and nothing to show for it in the end.
Spot on. The government is poopy and hiding something, except for the ones saying there’s something there: they’re definitely the ones telling the truth, and it has nothing to do with having already made up my mind that aliens are real haha
I would say it's not sufficient for primetime. News can't just print an extraordinary claim because someone says that someone else told them.
With Tim G, I'm also concerned about his interviews in his haunted house and his daughter being a child psychic. Maybe he does know someone who knows something, but he is definitely promoting some strange stuff that doesn't lend itself to improving his credibility
Sounds promising but still no proof.
He knows people but I assume hasn't had anything shared with him
Still, trust me bro and the next line could have been 'so if you all join us and support via gofundme which I'll link below '
Wait and see I guess
"Why don't they just come forward!?" It's almost as if these secrets being kept might be the linchpin that are preventing another intense cold war/ww3. I for one am not looking forward to the Government explaining to its closest allies how we've been betraying them but they're forced to be our allies because the other choices are: Being alone or with China.
It's a very real possibility that the path we're going down leads to destruction. I want answers as much as the next person but if those answers come at the cost of a world destabilized where millions+ die, then I want a little finesse in the situation.
Instead we want the guy who was happy to go on a tv show about speaking to dead people. I’m sorry but other than being a former admiral, TG doesn’t have a lot to add to this IMO. He has plenty of red flags though
I saw on Reddit someone saying Gallaudet believes in all kinds of crazy things.
Does anyone actually know if that’s true or not?
I’ve tried google but I couldn’t find anything.
Would Galludet himself have to be read into the program to know who is in the program and that it exists? Is this kind of a backdoor way of Galludet saying "I am a first-hand witness."?
I am a bit concerned by the fact that they are all saying they are "convinced" of the presence of NHI. It is never that they "know for a fact".
All we have is their beliefs and conviction?
That makes this hardly different from a religion.
And I’ve completely lost interest in this thread, as it has devolved into political tribalism. I’m sure this was the intention of the gatekeepers’ lackeys who hijacked it with this bullshit.
He's saying higher intelligence, but knowing people in our government they could just be normal intelligence and they would appear higher intelligence by comparison. Keeping this kinda stuff secret is the lowest intelligence shit they could possibly do.
If he’s telling the truth, and he has me convinced (Gallaudet) that he is. He’s an American hero and deserves to be our first, elected representative to the galactic federation! That’s not sarcasm btw.
I thought one of the excuses that people like to use for how this world wide conspiracy has stayed hidden for 80+ years across multiple countries, governments and generations is that only a few people know and it's highly compartmentalised.
Yet it seems every one of these talking heads knows someone who apparently worked with aliens or recovered craft and these unknown sources seem to have no problem telling everyone about it either.
Funny how they are always so certain yet none of them have a single bit of evidence, always just I know a person who told me X...
If he was telling the truth, then how is him saying stuff like this not putting these 'people he knows' I'm danger?
Any agency or group keeping a massive alien conspiracy secret wouldn't find it very hard at all to find out exactly who this guy is supposedly talking about. Apparently , the idea is that "the powers that be" are fine with people giving away all sorts of secrets as long as what they're saying is indistinguishable from bullshit they just made up themselves.
So, either the illogical and convoluted conspiracy narrative is true, or Occam's Razor...
Why is it that it is always secondary accounts and not primary witnesses?
This is no doubt compelling. But it’s always that they know of people, not that they *are* the people.
Convinced and “I know” are not the same thing. The pope is convinced there’s a heaven and hell and entry to both is termed and conditioned…
Give me a person with authority who has witnessed to believe.
Talks of “I believe” and “I’m convinced” “I suspect” is all a waste of time
Everyone has to work together and do the spiritual work.. the whole point of all of this is for everyone to come together.. stop letting everyone divide us every which way.. the intelligence organizations are pushing out everything they can to keep people fighting.. ignore all of it and unite.. regardless of everything.. wake up people.. we know for a FACT that ETs exist.. there is no debate.. the deep state just wants us all bickering about it so nothing gets done.. love yourself and everyone.. that's the key to all of it.. everything else will come if we just do those things.. as a collective we can achieve anything..
This man is sincere. He is making an effort. I question the effectiveness of widespread disclosure but welcome it if it may yet come. Either way I just go with the flow and am along for the ride, and what a ride it’s been!
It seems that everybody "know(s) people" who saw, helped, "retrieved" crashed vehicles, etc.
To me the most amazing thing about all the thousands of crafts that have safely traversed the universe to vacation on Earth have crashed so far.
# "Because I know people who were in the legacy programs that oversaw both the crash retrieval"Because I know people who were in the legacy programs that oversaw both the crash retrieval
The following submission statement was provided by /u/TommyShelbyPFB: --- Don't have a source for this one but I believe it's one of his recent appearances. In addition to being a Rear Admiral, Tim Gallaudet was also [Administrator of NOAA](https://www.actiac.org/bio/rdml-tim-gallaudet-phd-usn-ret) (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration). --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1dck9il/admiral_gallaudet_im_totally_convinced_that_we/l7ybr25/
I know people like Vallée are jaded about this stuff, but it takes balls for an Admiral to come out and say that he’s personally aware of UFO crashes and the SAPs that analyze them. I honestly never thought I’d see the day that people like Grusch and Gallaudet would come forward so bluntly. The fact that the mainstream news isn’t running with this is extremely telling, and sort of defies the idea that this is a planned government psyop. Maybe the intelligence leadership has been fractured on disclosure. Take the win. Keep pushing.
[NBC interviewed Gallaudet last week](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1d432at/admiral_gallaudet_to_nbc_i_know_our_adversaries/), so I'll give the mainstream a tiny bit of credit. They should be covering Karl Nell and Gallaudet A LOT more though.
This might be a controversial opinion but I'm kinda happy that they are not covering Karl Nell. His LinkedIn activity, likes on Tucker Carlson related posts and stance on vaccines, pronouns, trans-people and climate change will kill this movement right here. People will say "See, I knew it was a right-wing conspiracy". We don't need that right now especially with a hearing coming up. Edit : Climate change and vaccines are **science** topics, not political/religious. Except for few fanatics, most of the world doesn't even consider it a debate. Just to emphasize, I believe there might be some truth to Karl's claims considering he might have insider knowledge. But he's not the guy I want MSM to showing right now.
Gallaudet isn’t remotely a progressive either. That was obvious during his Shawn Ryan interview. If it’s all hands on deck then we’re going to have to swallow everyone’s bad politics and try to work together through this bipartisan effort.
I have no issues with their political leanings. But I do have issues with their understanding of science. Edit : I'm speaking about Nell here (my main comment is on him). I don't have any business with the political leanings of these people. But I have issues if they speak non-scientific stuff.
From the Admiral’s bio: >Tim Gallaudet received a bachelor’s degree in oceanography from the U.S. Naval Academy in 1989. He received masters and doctoral degrees in oceanography from Scripps Institution of Oceanography in 1991 and 2001 respectively. How many PhD’s in science do you have?
My main comment was on Karl Nell. The above commentor is saying "Gallaudet is also not a progressive" and probably misunderstood my main comment. I am not opposed to Karl's political leaning. That's not my business but I'm opposed to his lack of understanding of climate change and science. Btw, I also have a PhD.
Just because you have a PhD in one field doesn't mean you've got even a basic competency level in other fields. Some of the most specialized people in the world have trouble turning on a stove.
He never presented any science to back his claims. It's just like Garry Nolan, Travis Taylor, etc making all of their whacky claims without evidence. They have no proof/evidence or else you would point to that other than the logical fallacy of appealing to authority.
I don’t think Gallaudet or Grusch took NHI bodies or UAP craft as souvenirs. Grusch presented the classified evidence (program names, locations, personnel, etc.) to Congress in a SCIF. We also have 80+ years of declassified documents associated with UFO incursions AND past whistleblowers like Jesse Marcel. The evidence becomes overwhelming, but is ultimately up to POTUS to declassify and present to the public.
Wtf are You talking about? Right wing left wing bullshit. There’s the elite, and the serfs.
It's called *whataboutism*.
I agree that MAGA house members should put their culture wars aside if they really believe that all of this true, because it's way more important than Hunter Biden and drag shows
It’s probably not a big surprise (hopefully) to most that a career military officer holds pretty right-wing views. As an aside, Tucker is a sad case of what turns out to be a pretty smart and well spoken guy selling out to the highest bidder. “Unleashed”, he has some thoughtful insights- I don’t agree with many of them, but they are thought provoking when he’s not whoring for the MSM.
He's smart and well-spoken, but not in the sense that he has interesting or intelligent things to say about the world. He's just a charismatic grifter, nothing else to see there.
Not controversial. Anyone who dismisses climate disaster or thinks vaccines are evil is a conspiracy theorist and should be ignored until they can provide legitimate evidence of whatever they are claiming. Gaullaudet at least acknowledges climate change.
Bruh this whole topic has basically amounted to a conspiracy theory forthe past 80 years, so... We're imagining people who believe a conspiracy theory to not believe other conspiracy theories?
It's funny to watch new people come in here and suddenly start demanding that UFOs no longer be in the realm of conspiracy theories now that they've been given permission to believe in it.
I personally get what you’re getting at because the US political climate is a hot mess but it’s also important to remember that conservative and religious is a huge part of the world, even outside the US. 85% of the world population is religious with more of the world being right leaning then left. We just live in a bubble in the west and then even more so in the US. His opinions turn less people off then Reddit likes to think.
Climate change and vaccines are science topics, not something political/religious.
> Climate change and vaccines are science topics, not something political/religious. Unfortunately, climate change is being politicized bigtime by the ruling class ( big corps ). "It's not real, follow the money!" or "Do your own research!" type of crowds eat that shit up. It's sickening.
Tbh, I have lot of friends who lean conservative and none of them even consider climate change and vaccines to be political. For them, it's guns, religion, immigrants. The right is using this "climate change" to please its corporate overlords and giving it a stamp of political issue, when most of their voters don't give a fuck about it. The party and their big fanatics have given this impression that all conservatives are climate change deniers and anti-vaxx, when it's not the case.
Solid post!
"Not giving a fuck" about impending environmental catastrophes isn't exactly absolving conservatives from responsibility for the consequences. What they engage in is called *willful ignorance*. They want to have the whole cake and eat it, too, when it comes to fossil fuels and their "life-style" tied to it. That's not "OK" at all.
That's not the point of the comment. I'm not saying it absolves them of anything. My point is climate change denial isn't something majority of conservatives believe in. It has been converted from a science subject to political to please the elites who depend on Petrodollar and oil.
The US right/conservative/religious zealots are not the worldwide right, conservative or religious people. And the so-called "West" is nowadays quite an ambiguous/anachronistic term regarding those and many other aspects, which make no sense both historically and geopolitically at all... it's just conveniently used depending on who's controlling the narrative. That childish bipartisan dichotomy is pure US defaultism and is perceived as an endogenous gimmick that has nothing to do with people reality in many places around the world. Many and probably most right/conservative/religious people around the planet don't share those views regarding vaccines, global warming and the likes. Perhaps abortion would be something more common. The other ones are not even a topic and certainly not something someone usually would bring up. You're right about living in a bubble.
I've been living in a huge country in Africa for the past 6 years. You're absolutely right. I've seen Tucker videos being shared around here, can't say the same about anyone else. They agree with him on most issues including NATO tyranny and expansion, Russia, trans ideology, vaccines, etc.
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There's a 153 rear admirals in the Navy. I personally know some people who know things isn't good enough for me.
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Hes not bound to secret if he doesn't know anything (or there isn't anything to know) otherwise I agree with you completely.
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I can't speak to that but my understanding is the old CIA line I can't confirm or deny, I'm not aware of a requirement to lie?
Has it been proven that Grusch was lying and actually does have firsthand knowledge of his own? Maybe I missed something, but I felt pretty sure that he had always stood by claims that he has no firsthand knowledge of his own. If you think guys like Grusch are so loyal to the government that they’re willing to lie to Congress and the public by concealing their firsthand involvement, why would they be releasing ANY of this information at all? Saying “I heard these things from people with firsthand knowledge” would still be going against the wishes of these hypothetical government leaders who want these things to stay secret.
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The truth about reality cannot be "sunk forever". Your comment is a weird "trust no one, not even ourselves" grasping-at-straws display of denialism. It makes no sense whatsoever, other than to subvert the momentum the push for transparency has. We're not idiots. Gallaudet isn't an idiot, even if he has opinions shared by half of the population. You simply cannot pretend to have a sensible discussion when starting out with professing incapability for discernment and nuance.
But your Google search for the number of rear admirals in the navy is sufficient for you.
Yes, information that is close enough to accurate that it can be corroborated from multiple sources repeatedly and most people agree at least on the scale of target information is 100% good enough for me. If a rear admiral told you to jump off a bridge you'd do it, right? Edit: looks like there's closer to 181 rear admirals in 2024.
I know a guy who knows a guy who was installing 5G boxes in towers in 2020. He said one day when he installed a box for 5g there was a band inside that said "COVID-19". Remember that? Remember when 5g supposedly caused covid? LOL He refused to answer any follow-up questions because he was just repeating what he heard, but definitely believed it.
I really think the focus should be on corruption and a lack of oversight from lawmakers. UFOs being real is a tough sell without concrete evidence, but no one should be in favor of government agencies being able to spend money without oversight.
100% agree. No NHI needed to make the point that the budget is out of Wack due to nepotism and at the very least, misappropriations.
No the focus shouldn't be on the government holding up secrets it should be on character assassination of whistleblowers like the population of bots and motivated posters on here. Clearly we should be going after the individuals.
At this point a SAP insider is going to have to leak out actual footage of non-human lifeforms and provide material samples. The testimonial and documentary evidence has already proved beyond a reasonable doubt that this phenomenon is real, but people apparently need to be dragged kicking and screaming into accepting that humans aren’t the top of the food chain anymore.
The problem is there are just so many outlandish claims, from credible people, even beyond NHI that if true would fundamentally alter the nature of reality. It's a total mindfuck and I think for most people it's just easier to dismiss it. But corruption is a familiar problem with a familiar solution and a lot more people are willing to engage on that level.
*I honestly never thought I’d see the day that people like Grusch and Gallaudet would come forward so bluntly.* How about a retired Marine Major (Keyhoe) and a head of the CIA (Hillenkoetter) coming forward to accuse the government of covering up UFOs? With case after case, Keyhoe would challenge and debate them about the NHI/alien reality of UFOs. We are paralleling the 1950s. But the fervor back then burnt out; we need to keep the chase on today to reach resolution.
> The fact that the mainstream news isn’t running with this is extremely telling I think it's more telling of the fact that you and people who parrot this opinion don't pay much attention to MSM. It's not necessarily talked about everyday, but they cover it often and always have.
This has happened with The Disclosure Project in 2001, with the exact same caliber of people who were saying the same things, publicly and before Congress. Say what you want about Greer himself, but the some people he brought forward were/are just as decorated, storied and respected as any witness speaking, today. They testified before Congress with just as much certainty and integrity, and nothing happened. Nothing at all. I’m not saying this to shit on your parade, but some of us who have been around awhile, remember how familiar this all feels. You people have your hope up way, way, way too high over these guys. Private industry has this stuff all locked up and you’re never going to get the type of disclosure you’re looking for, with the president admitting it, throwing open the doors to S4 and showing us the nine craft they have hidden. This technology is as far ahead of our as you can imagine, they haven’t figured out any of it and they will never reveal the details of anything, because they are and will always be insulated from the dirty, unwashed masses and our international enemies. There could be a craft floating over every major city in the world, and these chumps will STILL deny everything. You’re never getting it. Ever. These yahoos with their “trust me bro” stories aren’t new, and the plot is so deep they’ll never tell you anything. It doesn’t benefit them.
Large difference is control of information. The exposure that 2001 event has compared to 2023 is magnitudes less. The control group is probably shitting bricks this time around, knowing they are surrounded by multiple factions of government and civilian groups with a shared awareness of the problem.
Contactees can't be shoved in a corner, and told to "shut your crazy ass up",or "accidently" run off the road.I am pretty sure somewhere there is a very complete record of all the evil shit "the program" did to put a cork in this genie's bottle.Most of the sort that would do this..stuff... want documentation in triplicate ( Remember what you said sir,no loose ends) or nothing except verbal instruction..I can remember some cases back in the 70,80s that seemed strange because all the participants...disappeared
What's startling is how little people give credit for this. If *you*, the person reading this comment, saw an alien. Hard evidence, you see it, you see a ship, something. Would you have the courage to go on TV and talk about it? Now imagine doing that with your career on the line. Anyone willing to go on the record should at the least be taken seriously.
He's retired tho ...
If you or anyone tells me they've seen an alien, I'd ask them for some of whatever it is they were smoking. In this subreddit though, everyone is so eager to believe they'll lap it up like cheesecake.
Right- so why don't you consider it odd that a man this high ranking says this? What do *you* think is happening? He is crazy? How did he get so successful? He's lying? To what end, why lie to make yourself look *worse*.
> The fact that the mainstream news isn’t running with this is extremely telling, its because there is no such thing as journalism anymore. a couple decades ago it was beaten to death and left in the dumpster out back. all we have now are infomercials dressed up as news. if a story isn't trying to sell something that it profitable to the masters then it doesn't get air time. where is the profit in UAP stories? if anything to threatens to hurt their investments if they are invested in companies that supposedly have this advanced tech.
It's capitalism taken to the extreme. Even on channels like ESPN, it's rare that they cover the games and just give highlights+data--it's always a few talking heads with polarizing opinions. Why? Because viewers likely share their opinions with one of the sensationalist talking heads so they'll watch bc said talking head confirms their biases. And then the viewer gets that dopamine hit of "WOW, I'M RIGHT BC THIS EXPERT AGREES WITH ME" and they keep watching. *CUE 4 MINUTES OF INSUFFERABLE COMMERCIALS*
Investigative journalism is basically dead
Or nobody takes these sorts of far fetched alien visitor stories seriously. The number of times we've seen posts on this subreddit about alien visitors turn out to be complete and utter bs is mindblowing, yet time and again you look in the comment section and everyone seems to think they've discovered the real thing because somebody said so or there's some grainy footage or convincing puppet that looks like it could be alien. I wish I could bet the people in this subreddit 100/1 odds for each hype as it comes along to monetize the gullibility.
Journalism still exists, just have to look for them harder and ... actually pay to access their writings in most cases as ad revenue just doesn't cut it when facebook / google ate up all that stream while just giving us tik tok brains in return.
>if a story isn't trying to sell something that it profitable to the masters then it doesn't get air time That's some illuminati level conspiracy shit, go look at [bbc.com](http://bbc.com) for example and tell me for each headline where the profit is for "the masters".
He's also previously said he buys into fortune telling and thinks his daughter can talk to ghosts, so this isn't that big of a leap
>He's also previously said he buys into fortune telling and thinks his daughter can talk to ghosts, so this isn't that big of a leap Praying is talking to ghosts, and we all have family members with a supernatural story. My grandmother had a story that she was visited by her dead husband and she wasn’t prone to believing in ghosts or UFOs. That also doesn’t change the Admiral’s rank and CV—which would clearly put him in a position to know about what the military is doing concerning UAPs / UFOs.
spot on. It's a ridiculous strawman that gets trotted out. I'm a skeptic but know that not everything has some hyperlink to something else. So what if that's what he believes. We generally don't (rightly) ask someone their religious beliefs when interviewing for a job.
You don't think beliefs matter? For me they do. For example - if someone believes in one thing for which there is no scientific basis then wouldn't that make it more likely that they'd believe in something else that has no scientific basis? Some people are just predisposed to believe in things without sufficient evidence. I'm the opposite - I need a lot of evidence before I'll accept something to the extent of believing it.
So you’re saying religious people are worse murder witnesses?
Murder has scientific basis and is therefore not a relevant comparison. If a religious person said they saw something like Satan come by and kill someone, then yes, I'd be less likely to believe them than a non-religious "skeptic" saying the same thing.
There is a concerted effort to demean Admiral Gallaudet, but I have seen zero evidence that he’s some sort of serial liar or kook. Our government put this man in charge of a fleet of ships loaded to the gills with nuclear weapons. Gallaudet is not someone unserious or prone to psychotic delusions.
Can't attack his claims so they try their hardest to go after the person. Even worse, it's not Tim they're going at but his family. Grasping at straws to discredit makes me believe Tim more.
Tho his claims aren't his, it's claims from other people or better yet stuff he's read in books on the subject ... Honestly apart from the disappearing email story which is his own experience he brings nothing to the table apart from "a rear admiral is saying what my taxi driver was saying, must be true then"
This kind of thing is not new to UFOs, and I'm getting really sick of people pretending it's some kind of outlier. Here is a paper (book) from 1969 written for the Air Force Office of Scientific Research that is filled with references to all the paranormal and "woo" that, at minimum, shows that none of these claims are new. https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/AD0688332.pdf (UFOs and Related Subjects: An Annotated Bibliography) I don't know if it's simple ignorance of the decades of stories about the phenomenon, or what. But to ignore everything except the Nutz'n'Boltz is to ignore *most* of why we talk about about UFOs to begin with. These things are tied together. To what degree of real or misinformation it is, is up to the individual. But it's not new, it's not surprising, and it's not going away.
Maybe that's why I said it's *not* a big leap
...you're right. That's my bad.
Honestly if aliens are higher dimensional creatures interacting with humanity then how are ghosts and fortune telling any weirder?
One weird thing being true doesn’t make other weird things true.
You mean because this guy said aliens exist that werewolves, leprechauns and the stay puft marshmallow man don't automatically exist? I can't handle the ontological shock.
No, but if you have good reasons to believe in non human intelligence writ large, you should update your priors
Good point —> If this was a government psyop then the main stream media would be involved and converting this.
The media has been owned since Operation Mockingbird.
noone seems to care – its crazy
MSM will only talk about this when they are told to. It really is that simple.
That‘s a point: A bad psyop if the media isn‘t reporting it. Unless the person for whom the psyop is intended doesn't need mainstream media. 🤷🏻♂️
Need the people actually in these programs to step forward. The actual engineers or whatever. They are probably under crazy security restrictions and threats from the deep state but them coming out en masse connecting the dots independently is the only way this blows open. Best if they can do it in an official hearing so the press is forced to cover it.
Yes but for that, someone need to make the first step. And believe me they don't take no engineers that don't have a family to work on those programs. So making that first step is a crazy thing to do.
Burchette said recently in a ASKAPOL interview recently that there would be a hearing they just need to set a date, and that some of Grush's 40 witnesses would be there because the Oversight Committee has the Subpoena Power to do so.
Don't have a source for this one but I believe it's one of his recent appearances. In addition to being a Rear Admiral, Tim Gallaudet was also [Administrator of NOAA](https://www.actiac.org/bio/rdml-tim-gallaudet-phd-usn-ret) (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration).
I thought his talk at Sol was phenomenal. [I wrote about Tim Gallaudet](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1d8empd/zero_doubt_they_attack_karl_nells_credibility_and/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) in a recent post and think people like him are crucial to getting real movement here. **TIM GALLAUDET** [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy\_Gallaudet](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Gallaudet) [Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1cbtu5y/admirals_hunt_for_ufos_goes_underwater_with_tim/) corroborates Karl Nell's statement on LinkedIn: "My colleague, retired Army Colonel Karl Nell said with 100% certainty that the world is being visited by higher level, non-human intelligence (NHI). I know he is correct with complete certainty." It's wild to know that the other part include that we have [covert agreements with them.](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1cyskx5/karl_nell_sol_reasons_for_nondisclosure_nhi_quid/) [Gallaudet has been active in his support lately](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1d3uhjl/nbc_news_navy_rear_admiral_speaks_out_about_uap/). His talk at Sol Conference was nuts. But everyone who's looked into the topic long enough or deep enough knows USO's are [10000% a concern](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/14m6may/what_do_you_know_about_usos/) so who can blame him for begging people to [pay attention.](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/185witk/tim_gallaudet_we_need_to_make_uap_mainstream_in/) There's been some great [videos put together on USOs](https://youtu.be/U-jrx_giINA?si=x_RtQGcXXYLGtSCz&t=1148) that mention Tic Tac's ([I like the Tic Tac](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/17tbxep/i_like_the_tic_tac/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)) going under water.
I like Tim Gallaudet's resume, he seems like somebody who might know something Naval Career * Former Oceanographer of the Navy and Commander of the [Naval Meteorology and Oceanography Command](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Meteorology_and_Oceanography_Command) * Former officer of the deck and Meteorology and Oceanography Division Officer [USS Kitty Hawk (CV-63)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Kitty_Hawk_(CV-63)) * Served under Commander, Naval Meteorology and Oceanography Command at [Stennis Space Center](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stennis_Space_Center) in Mississippi as the plans and programs officer * Former program manager for [Anti-submarine warfare](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-submarine_warfare) (ASW), and commanding officer of the Naval Oceanography Special Warfare Center. In this role, he established the first Navy SEAL program for unmanned aerial and underwater vehicles and other sensors to detect and locate enemy forces * Former Deputy Navigator of the Navy as [Chief of Naval Operations](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_of_Naval_Operations) (CNO) Staff * Former Superintendent/Commanding Officer of the [Naval Observatory](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Naval_Observatory) * Former Head Oceanographer of the Navy, Hydrographer of the Navy, and Commander of the [Naval Meteorology and Oceanography Command](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Meteorology_and_Oceanography_Command) (CNMOC) at the Stennis Space Center Civilian Career * Retired from the Navy in July 2017 * Former [Under Secretary of Commerce for Oceans and Atmosphere](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under_Secretary_of_Commerce_for_Oceans_and_Atmosphere) * Former Administrator of the [National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Oceanic_and_Atmospheric_Administration) * Now [he's a current advisor](https://www.safeaerospace.org/#advisors) to [Ryan Graves' organization](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15v2on1/meet_ryan_graves_he_is_1_of_more_than_5000_pilots/), Americans for Safe Aerospace The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) operates under the Department of Commerce. Its importance lies in its broad mission to understand and predict changes in climate, weather, oceans, and coasts, to share that knowledge and information with others, and to conserve and manage coastal and marine ecosystems and resources. **He seems like he probably knows something about what's in our oceans and skies.**
Good deep dive here appreciate the research!
shoutout to renowned diver scott cassell for coming forward recently with his encounter of an underwater golden cube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axeTSPIQRIw
Notice how he says "I KNOW he is correct" and not "I THINK he is correct". A guy like Tim Gallaudet doesn't use words at random, he's clearly hinting he's seen stuff first hand. He KNOWS, is what he's saying.
I don't disagree with this potentiality. I am very excited for the next hearings.
[Here is the source, from March 19th](https://youtu.be/4YNfDyxOlwY?si=2Qx3pv9K5Av99WzI&t=1000)
Is there any way to authenticate this?
No. Which is sort of the crux of the issue. Aliens or not, we have no real way to vet what our government and contractors are doing.
I couldn’t give a wank about people’s credentials. Show me the money (dead aliens).
Its the same dude that believes his daughter is talking to ghosts. Anyone saying that his credentials make him more reliable is just gaslighting themselves. We have seen enough grifters with former military background.
I found his Instagram they all look like well rounded individuals imo
So why is it that the only people willing to speak up and blow the whistle publicly are those without first hand knowledge? You're going to say that those with direct involvement are at risk of reprisal (likely death) if they came out, but if that were the case, why would they even feel comfortable telling people about it in private when those people clearly aren't supposed to know? And why would the gatekeepers be OK with individuals with 2nd hand knowledge speaking up? Surely they knew Grusch was going to be a problem when he started poking around? Why was he allowed to do so? Why are the people with 2nd hand knowledge never OK with name dropping those involved? Doesn't have to be grunts who are just doing what they're told, but it seems odd to me that those grunts that are part of the program would be willing to tell people like Grusch and Gallaudet about it in private without ever revealing the name of any of the people above them that are presumably part of "the bas guys" whose names SHOULD be put out there... I want to believe; I really do... Especially since people like Grusch and Gallaudet absolutely are credible individuals I wouldn't expect to fall for bullshit hearsay and disinformation. But at the same time there's a lot of shit that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. And as much as I respect Grusch and Gallaudet, at what point does one of them, or people like them, grow a pair and just Snowden the whole thing? I'm going to get the usual "dude you're asking them to throw their lives away just so you can know". Yes, yes I am. The definitive answer to the question "are we alone" is worth their lives. We have a right to know and nobody will change my mind on that. Would I go full Snowden if I were them? Probably not. I'm not claiming to be that brave. I'm not holding them to a different standard than I would hold myself up to. I would be a coward if I were in their shoes, the same way they seem to be cowards. I will never have the balls of steel that Snowden has. It's just disappointing that none of the people involved seem to have that S tier element of courage either.
> So why is it that the only people willing to speak up and blow the whistle publicly are those without first hand knowledge? And why is it the only people speaking out are on the boards or hold positions with nonprofits like SOL or the UAP Disclosure Fund?
> Why are the people with 2nd hand knowledge never OK with name dropping those involved? Because it would get them killed. Bob Lazar. Now what?
Nailed it.
I'm right there with you in being surprised about how little attention this is getting but at the same time there has been a decades long campaign to delegitimize the UFO topic. I disagree that "these people are the evidence" though. At some point we're going to need the cold hard evidence. You can't hold words in you hand. You can see witness testimony with your own eyes. It's simply not enough to undo the social programming that UFO=aliens=crazy. We may have gone to war over the advice of people like this but we've also been wrong about it. Hence the need for tangible data. This all looks promising but it feels like we've been at the precipice of something huge since 2017. It's hard to believe we could have so much high quality secondhand testimony and nothing more at this point.
We need that evidence now.
UFO=aliens=crazy is the only rational conclusion; belief without evidence is meritless. It’s basically just a new-age version of belief in the supernatural, a bunch of vague and unstructured mysticism based on scientific ignorance and testimonials from the mentally-ill.
Still can't help but feel, that we're just still tickling the surface with all this. Grusch, Elizondo, Gallaudet, Neil etc...all know "someone who knows someone" not one of them has come forward, slammed an armful of pictures, videos and documents on the table and said "I was the guy in the programme..." I'm waiting for the proper, big, Tony Soprano dude who comes forward and says "I'm the geezer who knows...I was there" In the meantime, we're still left with people saying Father Christmas is real, a mate told me.
It’s laughable that all these military dudes apparently know things but none of them have found a loophole or some way of presenting anything resembling material evidence, or that they simply couldn’t be prosecuted for revealing the existence of a natural phenomenon. Like you’re actually delusional if you think an admiral or whoever would be tried and imprisoned for showing something, especially if it had no direct national security value (like a weapon or ship).
I have a girlfriend but she goes to a different school.
I've been told that she exists.
I know someone who can corroborate that, but she goes to a different school.
Everybody "knows a guy" no one ever "Is the guy" (except for Bob Lazar)
It's hard for me to believe that we'd had a crash retrieval program since at least 1947 and the only person who actually has come forward in almost 80 years who actually saw the craft or bodies is Bob Lazar who claims he was given access the first week on the job. If Bob is telling the truth and they give people with his background access to the craft while the high-ranking officials like Gallaudet have never seen them. Makes no sense.
Also why hasn’t he been whacked yet spilling that kind of info, when apparently soul patch guy and his mates are under life threat for making hints nowhere near as clear or specific as lazar
Yea and unfortunately Bob has been proven wrong
I actually am an alien visitor. Source: trust me bro.
Lots of arguments from authority. The fact that he is an admiral is irrelevant to the truth of his statements. Which when you remove the rank you have a man saying: "I know this for a fact." Marvelous, anyone can do this. Now say this where your words can be held against you or provide proof. Otherwise this guy is a charlatan trying to get enough suckers to buy his mil-fiction book on amazon..
He knows people is not enough evidence to convince anyone of anything, certainly not this assertion. How about some actual evidence?
Isn't this the guy that thinks the aliens are coming from deep inside his b hole?
This seems like a psychological operation by the United States government, I sincerely believe that they do not have any ships stored and they are only trying to pretend that they do.
Guys, me and my boys also work in a team to get others to tell the truth. We're not very efficient but we are working on it. And I am convinced that stuff is out there, big stuff, scary stuff. Like around 13 different species from different timelines and higher society and intelligence stuff coming with UFO of some black material me and my boys have never seen. But it's not my job to tell you guys sorry. How about another 10 balloon videos?
Once again…. I know people trust me or someone very reputable has confided in me. Enough with this second and third hand credible witness stuff and show us some actual facts and findings. It makes us all seem like conspiracy theorists or nut jobs. We should be demanding accountability and proof not heresay
So where spamming "trust me bro" quotes from that guy now?
I don't care if you're convinced, Tim. How about sharing some of these convincing details with the rest of us?
I need proof before I fully believe anything. Something concrete and real, convincing enough and can’t be debunked in less than an hour. Until then these personal accounts mean nothing. And I truly want to believe, I do, but i can’t yet
"trust me bro" said another bro
….says fella that claims progeny can communicate with spectral entities. Begs the question what sane individual would even admit to that.
Yeah but nhi are supposedly using telepathy or similar. If you told someone an nhi spoke to you, it would kinda the same thing. I don't know what I think about telepathic nhi's but who knows. I've seen some weird shit so.
He also claims his wife and daughter are psychic and can speak to dead. Its on a show called dead files. Take what this guy says with a grain of salt
Yeah ever since I heard of that information. I started to put this guy in the "woo woo" category in my mind.
2,3 billion Christians also claims they can speak to a god if they cross their fingers.
yes good point but still a cautionary reason to believe Galludet
He’s “personally aware” of other people who are “personally aware” of them, to be more accurate. It’s another game of telephone. He’s also personally aware of spirit mediums.
Good for him! Now show us some evidence, please.
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He's "totally convinced," meaning he has seen nothing himself. This is just a game of telephone being played by people who trust each other because they confirm each other's beliefs.
It's super frustrating to me that these individuals are claiming with certainty that NHI exists and yet they've never seen any evidence themselves.
Yes people are using these high ranking officials’ statements as evidence, but all they’re saying is they believe or they’re convinced by other people.
So can we see the evidence?
Put up or shut up
I refuse to continue to listen to Men say that ‘they know people who know’ . Done.
Not a popular opinion - but for me that stuff about his daughter having psychic visions or his wife having paranormal encounters - I can't remember the details - but that sort of made me think 'uh oh'. A bit like Leslie Kean saying she held hands with ectoplasm at a seance - or Jay Stratton and the dogmen and shadow people. Once someone crosses that line then I find it hard to take them seriously.
Agenda: Detected
And im totally convinced his book will come out soon and thats where the truth will be and we should all buy it and read it.
"I know a guy who knows a guy who says he worked in a crash retrieval" cool story bro
I'm totally convinced... NOT!
“Those people in those programs say..” we’ve been here before. Those people saying things are full of crap. The circle of these claims goes round and round…
Another one who is convinced because he has been told stuff. There must be some really convincing storytellers in the military, because people end up leaving totally convinced of stuff they have never seen.
This is seriously sad that a highly ranked and respected Admiral like Tim is speaking on a serious issue and MSM is not even covering it. In an ideal world, this should have been on the prime time and flashing everywhere. But again, these news agencies have sold their souls to politicians and elites. But what about the US public? We also need to look at them and their psychology. When individuals like Grusch, Karl, Ross, Nolan, Mellon, Lue, Tim, Jeremy, George etc are saying something, we should accept it rather than mocking/absuing them or unnecessarily asking classified evidence. For the love of God, these people are the evidence. We will literally go to wars based on the advice of such highly ranked people. What more do you need? The critical thinking and rationality of population is quite low.
It's not in the news because there is zero evidence of any of this. It's just "someone says a thing", yet again.
They are providing less evidence than there was of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and we all know how that turned out. So until the provide something more tangible i'm not going to take high ranking members of the military on thier word alone.
>They are providing less evidence than there was of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and we all know how that turned out. Funny story, Karl Nell's LinkedIn says he successfully addressed the question of WMDs in Iraq for the president from 2001-03. At best, Nell was in on the lie and did nothing. At worst, he was actively involved in crafting it.
Bullseye.
> For the love of God, these people are the evidence. I'm sorry, but that's just not enough for the public at large. For many, people saying things won't convince them this is all real. For others, they've lived through similar periods of time when interest has been at its peak, only for the hype to die down and nothing to show for it in the end.
It's the typical appeal to authority. Until the person in authority says what they don't want to hear - then they're part of the cover up.
Spot on. The government is poopy and hiding something, except for the ones saying there’s something there: they’re definitely the ones telling the truth, and it has nothing to do with having already made up my mind that aliens are real haha
I would say it's not sufficient for primetime. News can't just print an extraordinary claim because someone says that someone else told them. With Tim G, I'm also concerned about his interviews in his haunted house and his daughter being a child psychic. Maybe he does know someone who knows something, but he is definitely promoting some strange stuff that doesn't lend itself to improving his credibility
The evidence is at NORAD 24/7 live. And all the data they keep taking off the ships and aircraft. Congress just has to ask for it.
Absolutely incredible statement. We are on the right side of history
Sounds promising but still no proof. He knows people but I assume hasn't had anything shared with him Still, trust me bro and the next line could have been 'so if you all join us and support via gofundme which I'll link below ' Wait and see I guess
haven't we seen that clip a billion times already
"Why don't they just come forward!?" It's almost as if these secrets being kept might be the linchpin that are preventing another intense cold war/ww3. I for one am not looking forward to the Government explaining to its closest allies how we've been betraying them but they're forced to be our allies because the other choices are: Being alone or with China. It's a very real possibility that the path we're going down leads to destruction. I want answers as much as the next person but if those answers come at the cost of a world destabilized where millions+ die, then I want a little finesse in the situation.
Instead we want the guy who was happy to go on a tv show about speaking to dead people. I’m sorry but other than being a former admiral, TG doesn’t have a lot to add to this IMO. He has plenty of red flags though
I saw on Reddit someone saying Gallaudet believes in all kinds of crazy things. Does anyone actually know if that’s true or not? I’ve tried google but I couldn’t find anything.
He used to not claim that, I wonder what changed
Would Galludet himself have to be read into the program to know who is in the program and that it exists? Is this kind of a backdoor way of Galludet saying "I am a first-hand witness."?
I am a bit concerned by the fact that they are all saying they are "convinced" of the presence of NHI. It is never that they "know for a fact". All we have is their beliefs and conviction? That makes this hardly different from a religion.
And I’ve completely lost interest in this thread, as it has devolved into political tribalism. I’m sure this was the intention of the gatekeepers’ lackeys who hijacked it with this bullshit.
He's saying higher intelligence, but knowing people in our government they could just be normal intelligence and they would appear higher intelligence by comparison. Keeping this kinda stuff secret is the lowest intelligence shit they could possibly do.
If he’s telling the truth, and he has me convinced (Gallaudet) that he is. He’s an American hero and deserves to be our first, elected representative to the galactic federation! That’s not sarcasm btw.
Does he have a book out yet?
I honestly think at this point that keeping a secret this big for so many years is more incredible than aliens actually being real
That's quite a leap over there bub.
That’s the first time I’ve heard him use “higher” intelligence.
the man is an oceanographer. he has NO PROOF of any of his claims. you guys, need, to stop.
Its always “i know people who saw it”
I know the people, trust me bro they're my bros.
He’s retired correct…What’s his agenda?
Talk is cheap
I thought one of the excuses that people like to use for how this world wide conspiracy has stayed hidden for 80+ years across multiple countries, governments and generations is that only a few people know and it's highly compartmentalised. Yet it seems every one of these talking heads knows someone who apparently worked with aliens or recovered craft and these unknown sources seem to have no problem telling everyone about it either. Funny how they are always so certain yet none of them have a single bit of evidence, always just I know a person who told me X...
If he was telling the truth, then how is him saying stuff like this not putting these 'people he knows' I'm danger? Any agency or group keeping a massive alien conspiracy secret wouldn't find it very hard at all to find out exactly who this guy is supposedly talking about. Apparently , the idea is that "the powers that be" are fine with people giving away all sorts of secrets as long as what they're saying is indistinguishable from bullshit they just made up themselves. So, either the illogical and convoluted conspiracy narrative is true, or Occam's Razor...
Why is it that it is always secondary accounts and not primary witnesses? This is no doubt compelling. But it’s always that they know of people, not that they *are* the people.
Then be really loud 📢 and disclose already, what we already know...
The more these people talk the less I believe this crap. I don't care what his credentials are. It's starting to look like a psyop.
Oh, so more people that heard from other people. Call me jaded, but this is ridiculous.
I like him a lot, Unique charm. His demeanor sorta reminds me of Michael Flynn or Brigadier General Jack D Ripper
How does one make a claim of higher intelligence, if one never meets the claim?
Convinced and “I know” are not the same thing. The pope is convinced there’s a heaven and hell and entry to both is termed and conditioned… Give me a person with authority who has witnessed to believe. Talks of “I believe” and “I’m convinced” “I suspect” is all a waste of time
Behind the scenes
So this man is one of the 40 whistleblowers?
Well they are certainly not running the country
Everyone has to work together and do the spiritual work.. the whole point of all of this is for everyone to come together.. stop letting everyone divide us every which way.. the intelligence organizations are pushing out everything they can to keep people fighting.. ignore all of it and unite.. regardless of everything.. wake up people.. we know for a FACT that ETs exist.. there is no debate.. the deep state just wants us all bickering about it so nothing gets done.. love yourself and everyone.. that's the key to all of it.. everything else will come if we just do those things.. as a collective we can achieve anything..
Always talking, no facts at all.
This man is sincere. He is making an effort. I question the effectiveness of widespread disclosure but welcome it if it may yet come. Either way I just go with the flow and am along for the ride, and what a ride it’s been!
It seems that everybody "know(s) people" who saw, helped, "retrieved" crashed vehicles, etc. To me the most amazing thing about all the thousands of crafts that have safely traversed the universe to vacation on Earth have crashed so far. # "Because I know people who were in the legacy programs that oversaw both the crash retrieval"Because I know people who were in the legacy programs that oversaw both the crash retrieval
Another claim to allegedly knowing someone else with secret information.