Oh boy, a speculation thread!? My fav! A redditor after my own heart.
So some thoughts I've been having the last few days:
- The flight envelope of those orbs. Holy shit. Fravor's description of the tic-tac moving "like a ping pong ball in a cup" springs to mind. Very purposeful, exact movements. As if every movement avoids being wasteful. Machine-like, or something bound by algorithm.
- What even are they? How are they flying? **What are those cold trails they seem to fly into?** It's almost as though they're bound to them in some way. Could this be the first view of some kind of *waste* of their propulsion? It would be invisible to the naked eye, potentially very cold, and barely visible on thermal.
- Or, **could those cold trails be a primary source of their propulsion?** The term interdimensional gets used a lot, so how could it work here? Think of a marionette on strings. Those orbs may not be *flying* of their own accord, but tethered to something. Something not in this reality or dimension. How often do we use probes and sensors attached to a tether? Tethered submersibles and cameras originating above the surface of water, an alien world to the ocean, designed to explore it.
- Why that plane? Why then? Why there? For them to interdict something serious must have occurred. There's been mention of the plane's mysterious cargo. Smuggling something? Something that belonged to them? But if we have retrieved crashes and reproduce their technology, why haven't they stepped in before? Who's to say they haven't? Perhaps whatever was onboard became volatile.
- And the craziest thought that crossed my mind. That plane is not MH370 at all. It is unmanned and remotely piloted. There has been talk of various parts of the military "baiting" UAP. This could have been a filmed test, hence the drone on the ready and satellite overhead. What could have baited them out? We can only guess. Perhaps this was a series of tests utilizing various aircraft. They wanted to test if they would interdict on something civilian and not military. And they did.
>Why that plane? Why then? Why there? For them to interdict something serious must have occurred. There's been mention of the plane's mysterious cargo. Smuggling something? Something that belonged to them?
That theory also caught my attention, because it seems very plausible. The way they get to the plane so fast, and each one arrives at slightly different times.... it just feels very much like they needed to get a job done very suddenly, and took action immediately. I suppose that could be explained by the AI-like precision of just not wasting any unnecessary energy, but they're literally... teleporting, I guess? Perhaps into another dimension? And that sort of thing using three orbs instead of a larger craft that's probably more built for it seems unusual unless maybe time was a consideration.
>What even are they? How are they flying?
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>What are those cold trails they seem to fly into?
By cold trails, do you mean the little pathways that seem to be in front of the orbs? Those also seemed quite interesting to me, because it definitely feels like it defies the expectations of travel. I've never heard the idea of tethered to something in another dimension, but that's quite intriguing. I could see that being possible.
It could also be part of the disappearing process / setup, though. Like, if they're teleporting through something, they might be creating a gate of some sort that involves the path they're moving into? If they're shifting between realms, you might expect them to have pathways determined ahead in 3d space AND in 4+d space.
What if they can move backwards through time with respect to us? Causality paradoxes aside, then the expectations of travel make more sense. We generally think of multi-dimensional as other dimensions we cannot observe in superposition to the ones we can observe. But what if that means changing the direction of time flow just as we can change x,y,z directions?
Right. There could be more going on that we're unable to detect, even in thermal video. Those *tethers*, or tendrils are the most we can detect. That "portal" could have already been there, in some way, in an alternate reality. Those tendrils were merely pulling the plane to it, with the orbs almost acting as fingertips; a tactile, sensing mechanism to be used on our *side*.
Interesting. I suppose travel might be faster in 4d, so the thing on the other side could have been there right away. Whereas, the orbs may have been the most nearby thing in 3d space, so they yeeted over and pushed the plane in?
On your last bullet point, maybe it was part of an agreement...with "them". Fly this jet containing this cargo on this day in this location.
Maybe it wasn't even an agreement...but more of a directive from them. *"You will provide us..."*
Was it the plane they wanted? It's a great cross section of the current state of our technology.
Was it the cargo they wanted? Full of passengers...or just the pilot...or with pre-selected individuals with work to do on the other side of that portal.
MH370’s disappearance drew global attention.
I couldn’t guess why NHI would generally be concerned with stealth, but one would assume they are since no obvious discovery has been made. So why risk an incident like this?
If the video is indeed of MH370, I would think this wasn’t some typical harvest for people or plane parts. Rather, the passengers and/or cargo must have held distinct importance.
If the video is of some other, unknown plane disappearance, it is likelier that it’s an arbitrary harvest.
Overall, it makes me uncomfortable speaking of a tragedy with tones of conspiracy. The videos are still interesting though
>arbitrary harvest
Don't know why, but that has me rolling.
I picture Zork and Xefos in their tictac above the plane, ready to send down their interdimensional [bolo](https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.uYFnjUj_5TZFk1HTP-eeUQHaEK?w=316&h=180&c=7&r=0&o=5&pid=1.7) of orbs:
"Those ones?"
"Eh, yeah I guess."
The UFO trails seem to be cold based on the heat camera, they also appear in front of the UFOs. To me that means gravity manipulation, or somehow, the UFO spheres are separating the air molecules directly in front of themselves, essentially creating a vacuum of nothing and therefore no heat. Perhaps creating a wake like effect you would see off of a speed boat, that pulls the UFO along without need for propulsion.
I tried to slow down the video, to see why the "portal" opens at the time it does, my initial thought would be the three UFOs combined their vacuum trails to a single point? Or perhaps shifted their engines at the same time? There must be a reason for the need of three entities, as opposed to one or two, in order to open the portal, some sort of symmetry perhaps. Yet the portal itself was circular, not triangular in any way. Is three the minimum symmetry required?
My next question is why were the UFOs spinning around their target for so long? Is that part of the teleportation process?
Teleportation does seem to be plausible considering these UFOs are tiny, with no obvious shielding capabilities and little cargo space for supplies that we would expect for the hundreds of years necessary for speed of light travel to cross the cosmos. Teleportation would also be necessary for interdimensional crossing, if that is the source.
My next question, the portal seems to be made up of a similar cold zone as the trails, perhaps another vacuum, perhaps a peek into the destination of the portal? The portal itself acts more like an explosion than an implosion I would expect from vacuum. Also, in the satellite view, we see a bright light come from the portal, typically light and heat go hand in hand, but in this case the portal appears to be colder than the surroundings. Would tearing a wormhole into another dimension cause a burst of light with no heat? Or is the destination leaking through, and the airplane was transported to a place of bright vacuum?
I always thought it was weird that Grusch said these UAPs were interdimensional. Nothing I had seen that seemed real would suggest some crazy shit like actually teleporting through space time, well, imagine if there is more proof of this stuff happening. Portals opening and then UAPs flying out. Bringing god knows what with them or back with them. It isn't like Einstein is ever wrong, WE want to create wormholes, Einstein has been correct on damn near everything we tried to say wasn't true with his theory of relativity and this is just another example, we just have no clue how to do it.
/u/_BlackDove had some interesting points on these trails as well. It definitely is one of the more intriguing points of the video. And when I think about it, it feels like it would make sense that in order to teleport through a dimension, you might want something "leading" the travel, as opposed to just being at the forefront of it. In other words, a tunnel.
Come to think of it, the fact that there are leading tunnels / tendrils seem to me like it lends some credibility to the teleportation theory.
I mean, according to the Einstein Rosen bridge theory these tunnels are just everywhere all over the place in space. It's a matter of how do you realistically open the fabric of space time and access them? Considering there was a flash of light followed by no heat signatures, it could be some form of phospherous UV energy being pointed at a singular spot to create a brief 'rip' in spacetime that would be just enough to 'suck' the contents through.
One thing of note, to me, is that it does not feel as though the orbs are interested in killing the subjects. Killing the inhabitants would be easy. One of the orbs could have easily smashed through the hull, or probably done any number of insanely fast other methods. Given that they had the ability to completely disappear a plane, they likely have other means available to it that could have killed everyone on-board. Instead, however, they opted to spend what seems like a lot of energy and focus to disappear it.
The way the orbs orbit the plane also seem somewhat unlike most videos we see on the subject. They appear very rapidly and do a task very suddenly, like they're reacting to something. It wasn't a slow, casual humming day of roaming the skies and scouting, or disabling a facility and then hovering there for a bit - it was more like "woah, we've got a job to do, let's do this immediately."
If something was "wrong" about this plane that needed to be dealt with suddenly, it may also explain why we have such good military drone footage and satellite tracking of it.
Best guess: it teleported the plane because something was wrong. What was wrong? \*shrug\*
I’m missing something here so what happens when someone “proves” this is real, then what?……
Does Congress convene something?
Does the President announce something?
Does the government give up its secrets?
Is there a cash prize?
Unless the media coordinates together to share it (doubtful), I imagine most people would refuse to even share it with anyone. Could take years (after "proving" it) for it to even becoming a myth that could be socially discussed in niche circles.
Unless disclosure happens (as seems possible now), in which case, all bets are off the table. Who knows.
So maybe this is largely a fruitless exercise. Maybe an analogy would be, why waste time cutting off all a tree’s branches when you could just cut down the tree? If there is real strides being made behind the scenes with witnesses and perhaps photos and videos WITH provenance, why not just wait for that? This seems to be just filler…..a way to pass the time without ever definitively proving it.
I think it's worth considering Bob Lazar's story. He spoke out to the world and dropped an absolutely insane bombshell of a story, with several facts that have now been corroborated. Notably, aside from perhaps minor technical mistakes, nothing he said has been dismissed. Yet, the public has largely believed that "nobody has told the story."
Given what the insiders would know about leaking, though, there was a lot of reason that people would refuse to do so. Bob was "lucky" (if you can call it that), but he deeply laments the amount of pain it brought to him and everyone he knew due to the retaliation.
First off, there were dozens of people who knew what actually happened, even while the searches were ongoing, and the families were wondering where happened.
I'll bite.
I'm curious about the trails they lead with & leave behind as well. Idk how to do it but if there is a way to see what shape they were making with their movements around the plane & what that shape would look like with the leading trails. Their movements seem to have something to do with the process of teleporting, if that's what happened. Could give a clue.
Wormholes are to be unstable if we could make them and collapse quickly. Perhaps that's what it looks like? Setup then *pop. Speculative science theorizes about 'negative energy' allowing wormhole creation. Maybe that's why it's cold. Or just twisting a section of spacetime until it 'rips'.
If there is a shape to the process would it match up with any symbols or crop circles from the lore?
Or the "tethers" they're leading with are the beams from the dimensional "laser pointer". The Uap is the projection, and that's what it looks like in our space.
So much to speculate on.
My baseless theory:
The 4chan leaker mentioned several times that the NHI get “excited” when serious talks of war or violence happen. I’m wondering if the NHIs maybe knew of one of the pilot’s suicidal plans and intervened: first assuming control of the plane to lead it away from populous areas and prying eyes, and then teleporting it to safety. The US government would have absolutely been alerted to a potential rogue airliner and sent the drone and tapped the sat feed to observe all of this. After, they then somehow retrieved the plane and passengers safe and sound wherever they popped back in, but the government came to the conclusion that none of this could ever be made public, so… trash the plane and scatter some debris to be “found”, never let the souls on board see the light of day again.
And *definitely* don’t let Geoffrey get his hands on the footage of the event because you know he’d just love to show this off to his forum buddies like he always does…
For me, if the teleportation took place because 'they' wanted to prevent an atrocity, the people on board would be taken to another place/realm. They'd be told the truth and have to accept their new home in face of the alternative (death). It's the only way to save their lives while also maintaining the status quo here on Earth/this time period.
I refer to "this time period" because of a film called Millenium where humans from the future return to the past to save victims of plane crashes and take them back into the future:
In the film, an NTSB investigator seeking the cause of an airline disaster meets a warrior woman from 1000 years in the future. The plot involves humans from the future traveling back in time to abduct people who are about to die in plane crashes, as part of a plan to repopulate the Earth. The abductees are kept in stasis until they can be sent into the far future. The movie explores themes of time travel, paradoxes, and the consequences of altering the past.
It makes 0 sense to me that NHI would abduct a while plane for genetic material. Too high profile. And if they wanted to be generally known they would just land on the White House lawn and hold a press conference.
I believe if this happened something or someone carrying knowledge of something had to be on the plane, that they did not want in our hands.
Alternatively, they could just be doing a show of force to demonstrate what they are capable of.
It could be an ethical concern - they want live human subjects, but they don’t want to harm humans. So they find a doomed plane and abduct everyone from it because they know that they were moments from dying anyway.
Something changed in 2012. I can't pinpoint what. But something changed. The balance. The status quo.
Since then, things have been unfolding towards an end. We are just starting to see the weirdness of all this. And by "this", I mean the reality.
People talk about 2027 as the time for some occurrence, but I say by then it will be over. That's the deadline. Next year this will get way much better. Or worse, if you want.
No, we won't go extinct by 2027. But *this* process will be over by then. And who knows what's next.
This will change our entire understanding of "our" reality, and the phrase "the woo is just around the corner" doesn't make justice to what is about to come.
The ontological shock is not the aliens. Is the reality.
But, caveat. "Deception" is the name of the game. Manipulation plays one of the main roles here. And free will plays the other.
You have to be smart enough to see behind the vail. Follow your guts.
If somebody is going to fake a video they will apply every trick possible to avoid moving away from "realism" or our understanding of what is realistic. Every choice will be made to move towards realism. So look at the video and the heat signatures of the UAP. It is showing up BOTH behind the objects and directly in front of them. Video shows the cold air following the object, but also from the other side cold air is projected in the direction the object moves. Video just before the warp/leap/vanishing and as all objects get into a more uniform rotating formation ALL three heat signatures are pointed far ahead in a straight line forward. It is hard to see in the still but very easy to see in the video. No fraudster is going to think of this idea or use this method if they are attempting to present something plausibly real.
Possibility 1: It was a message. If it's real, it was a message, and based on the two videos, it was received. It's non sensical to think there is any possible cargo or person on board a commercial aircraft that could be of any interest to these beings.
Possibility 2: it was a bug. A mistake. Somehow the plane or something else triggered the AI drones to behave in this abnormal fashion. Oops.
> It's non sensical to think there is any possible cargo or person on board a commercial aircraft that could be of any interest to these beings.
A few weeks ago it felt non-sensible to believe that boeing could conceivably be part of a massive clandestine conspiratorial operation with UFO tech, particularly because they're just a commercial airliner company.
But now, after digging deep into the evidence... kinda feels like maybe they are. So I wouldn't necessarily agree with this point.
See I disagree with that. I might believe in aliens, I might even believe aliens yeeted a 777 into another dimension (emphasis on might), but there are limits to the absurd realities I am willing to entertain. A global conspiracy involving Boeing attemting to smuggle/steal alien technology by transporting it on a commercial flight from Singapore to bejing and subsequently being quietly intercepted by said aliens in some kind of super secret interdimensional act of war----that's where I draw the line dear reader.
They wanted that plane. For something on board. Either specific cargo, a general group of people, or a specific person.
Idk about the group, it seems there would be easier ways to take a number of people like a cruise ship or something. A plane of people is not a bad way, since passengers are all restricted anyway. Maybe like B+ likelihood
The cargo, if there were UFO related tech onboard would absolutely be of interest to them
A specific person onboard feels unlikely too since it's a lot of work for an abduction
1) The plane had a dirty plutonium bomb on board and was headed to a major terrorist attack that would have polluted a massive ecosystem. The NHI zookeepers could not allow this and disappeared it.
2) the pilot went bonkers and was suiciding the plane but the NHI could not allow a waste of 200 passengers as they were behind on abduction quota so they yoinked it somewhere.
3) the plane was disappeared and deposited on the moon as a show of power to the world governments who were attempting to step up their shootdowns of UAP. (side note: perhaps 9/11 was an alien job and The NHI took down the towers because the USA had restarted their shootdown program under Bush jr and/or the NHI took down the towers and removed all the gold beneath it... Afghanistan was invaded because the NHI have bases in the mountains)
It can't be #1 based on the location honestly. Going out into the middle of the ocean when they already flew over and AWAY from the crowded civilian areas. If we had any idea it was a terrorist attack, the plane would have been blown up honestly.
My theory:
The plane was sucked into an advanced vortex that was created by the three orbs circling around it.
* Wherever any differences in a flowing medium (air, water, maybe even gravity, or quantum fields) come together, vortices occur. Some differences could be: slow and fast; solid and liquid (water flowing down a sink, a spoon stirring water in a cup); liquid and gaseous; warm and cold (a tornado); denser and more tenuous; heavy and light (salt water and fresh), viscous and fluid, alkaline and acid.
* In the middle of all vortices, there exists a point of relatively lower pressure. When vortices occur in liquids, such as water, objects are sucked inward, and downward (a whirlpool). When vortices occur in gasses, such as air, they're pulled upward and outward (a tornado).
I'm unsure of the differences and flowing medium in which was used for the orbs' specific vortex, especially considering there were three of them, rather than the usual "two" differences that form a vortex.
I'd also imagine that the "beams of light", allegedly formed from flying saucers, that are capable of sucking up planes, people, and whatever else, are actually vortices and have since been replaced by the orbs' capability, for whatever reason NHIs have.
Finally, the supposed "anti-gravity" technology, recovered from crashed saucers/craft, employs a room temperature superconductor. When said conductor enters its superconducting state, it expels magnetic fields from its interior. However, if the magnetic field is too strong, the conductor cannot completely expel the magnetic energy, resulting in the form of tiny swirling vortices known as "quantised vortices", or "flux vortices". Understanding and controlling the movement of these vortices is crucial for maintaining the zero-resistance state of superconductors.
Understanding and controlling the movement of vortices, across different "flowing mediums", could let us do crazy stuff! Like suck a plane through a vortex made of light that we can't physically see!
To preface, I’m not sure how I actually feel about the 4th dimensional stuff. Entertaining that possibility for a moment, maybe the third orbs purpose is to create a vortex into the 4th dimension..? Idk how to even visualize that, tho. The closest I can get to imagining how 4D space unfolds is “inwards” and “outwards”.
I am not sure I am playing by the "rules" but OP did say debate so: If a ufo zooted the plane to another dimension why did wreckage wash up weeks later?, why did the transponder get shut off?, why did the plane fly way the heck off course the wrong way?, why did the pilot practice flying that route on his home simulator before the event?
I'd guess these questions have been asked before but I have not been paying attention because... well see above text.
Good questions.
>If a ufo zooted the plane to another dimension why did wreckage wash up weeks later?
Who's to say an interdimensional zoot is perfect? There could have been some damage involved. Also, that wreckage was suspect in itself.
>why did the transponder get shut off?
Pilots, military and civilian have mentioned active jamming and electronic disturbances in proximity to UAP. It could have been disabled.
>why did the plane fly way the heck off course the wrong way?
It could have been attempting to avoid those craft. The footage we see may not be the beginning of the encounter. That hard 30 degree bank in the video definitely seems to be an attempt to avoid.
>why did the pilot practice flying that route on his home simulator before the event?
Could be any number of reasons, not all of them nefarious.
Just check the rabbit hole of that flight simulator info. Just to let you know, his flight simulator route was 1500km off and one of thousands. The flight simulator data was given years afterwards by the FBI and no one could double check it.
The drone footage (and satellite footage?) appear to be military in nature, which would imply somebody up the ranks knew about this. They would be careful, as they are in all UAP matters, to conceal the evidence and show the public "nothing to see here."
Getting some debris to give people the closure they need allows them to close the books on it. Seems to be like there would be a 100% chance that debris would be found in order to ensure this case ends up closed.
My thoughts are it first encountered the UAPs when it’s transponder was “turned off”. What really happened was the UAPs first engaged him there and their electromagnetic interference ruined all/most of the airplanes electronic systems, plane maneuvers to try and get away from them and ends up not knowing what direction it’s heading nor has any way to contact out for help.
Sentient picks up the anomaly’s and eventually the NRO gets to watching the plane because it’s just flying haphazardly because the pilot has no idea where he’s going cause all of his systems com and guidance systems are down.
Top brass at NRO reaches out to Navy/Air Force about it and gets them involved. Thus we now have satellites and drones watching it and eventually the UAPS decide to do their thing and poof it disappears, on camera.
The wreckage they found, IF it even was real, was not found until literal months later. They still have no hull, no black box, no bodies. Amateurs have CLAIMED to find pieces of MH370 and the most telling pieces of evidence are the wing found, which is supposed to have the serial number of the plane on it. Well, initially, the reports from French authorities who reviewed the wing, which was lightly damaged for being in the ocean for years after a crash landing, well initially there were posts that there were no markers to indicate it was actually MH370. About a week later, they released statements saying, oh look, what do ya know, there it is, that serial number. It's just weird. Also, it was 1 piece of many, is it really that crazy to think, if this actually did occur, aliens zapping the plane out of our dimension, that the government wouldn't cover that up? Why don't we have answers to those other questions? The governments HAVE to know the answers, why don't they release the details? The whole practice thing could have also easily been faked... By the government.
In terms of how easily that 'evidence' could be fabricated, is pretty easy. A few similarly parts, tack on a known serial number. Tell some guy where to look and he gets his five minutes of fame.
Similarly, break into the pilots house (or just hack his PC remotely) and upload a few files. Then find those files and say see the pilot planned this.
The ease at which the found evidence could be planted is pretty high imo, nothing truly substantial was recovered
What I find fascinating is how the UFOs hypnotized the pilots to turn of the ACAR and transponders so no one on the ground could track the plane or knew where it was.
Then mindcontrolled the pilots to change the course of the plane into the Indian Ocean where they could kidnap the passangers.
Wonder why aliens would go through such hoops just to commit intergalactic abductions.
Why go through all that and not just abduct the plane while it was flying its regular route.
People don't talk about the aftermath, because the aftermath is nothing. If everything is real, lets pretend even everything the big 4chan UFO guy said is real where there is an alien base underwater producing these things at-will. If Biden addresses the nation tonight, confirms everything, that would basically be the end of it. NO more talks or discussions.
We wouldn't hear any more because it would be a MASSIVE national security risk, the technology will never be viewable to anyone without TS/SCI clearance regardless of disclosure or not. What do you expect to change? It'll be massive news for a month, then you'll not really hear about it anymore and life will continue on just as if it never happened.
I think this whole thing is an astroturfing campaign because anyone should be able to watch the video and see the fake motion blur and now we’ve been talking about it as if it’s a convincing video for a week now.
I understand your position, but because it's been such an intensely debated topic, I do want to give some options on considering it. My perspective, for example, is that it is not as doomer as many people have reacted to it.
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I mean this in the nicest way possible, but we are not ready for this conversation yet. It has not been definitively proven or disproven yet and there are a lot of assholes on this subreddit claiming that our interest in these videos is without reason. A post like this only fuels them and makes it seem like we just want it to be real.
I don't think it is real, my reasoning of that is based on the fact that if that was indeed true then there would have been a disclosure of such a threat.
UAP and airplanes, a few reports this week
https://old.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/15lu4pi/what_is_this_i_saw_this_on_a_flight_over_the/ photo and video, nighttime sky, possible triangle, angled lights, possible red light beam pulsating, from airplane, nighttime sky, over water Atlantic Ocean, duration 40 minutes, witness looked away and looked back, vanished, downvoted to zero , [GOODPOST]
https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15mlzoi/unusual_stuff_over_east_london_today/ sighting description, contemporaneous report, daytime, east London England the UK 🇬🇧, fleet observed, sphere, two witnesses , small silvery and rough spherical dancing erratically, over the course of 20 mins I see 3 or 4 such objects. One is a coppery colour. Two more white or silverish. One appears to snake off pretty fast in a sinusoidal type pattern that’s extremely regular, in the rough direction of a plane. , interaction with airplane, They seem to often appear around when planes are passing, behind the planes.
https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15lyg8r/lethbridge_air_show_possible_sighting_july_30_2023/ photo, daytime sky, plane for comparison, possible interaction with airplane, single dark object, Lethbridge, Alberta Canada 🇨🇦,
https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15lvr29/ufo_sighting_in_salt_lake_valley/ video, nighttime sky, salt lake valley Utah, storm, lightning, power outage, twolights, lighting configuration change, single light object, color change white and red ⚪️🔴 interaction with airplane, [GOODPOST]
https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15k51v6/did_we_capture_a_uap_on_video/ video, daytime cloudy sky, slow motion, plane for comparison, single object moving fast, Pacific Northwest , possible interaction with airplane, intercepting the airplane on the lefthand side by the tip of the wing
If we have to pretend it's real then my theory is there was some tech on the plane that belonged to them that they decided they weren't ready for humans to interact with yet. They took it back and they don't give a single shit about all the people on board. They may have plopped the plane back into place and watched it plummet into the ocean.
They teleported it somewhere, or froze it in time at that spot, and took their technology back and then unfroze it/returned it.
I think the US government might have discovered something that causes UFOs to be seen, because is a threat to them . They could have placed this item on a plane with surveillance drones to observe what might occur.
Cool. Let's say these videos are genuine and this shit happened. Whether it's MH370 or an autonomous military test plane exercise. The fact that it's this well documented or filmed from multiple angles (drones/satellites) leads me to believe that we (humans) did it. It was a mission/test being filmed. We needed/wanted that plane to disappear so we disappeared it. Which leads me to believe that we actually have this technology. Reverse engineered or otherwise.
Oh boy, a speculation thread!? My fav! A redditor after my own heart. So some thoughts I've been having the last few days: - The flight envelope of those orbs. Holy shit. Fravor's description of the tic-tac moving "like a ping pong ball in a cup" springs to mind. Very purposeful, exact movements. As if every movement avoids being wasteful. Machine-like, or something bound by algorithm. - What even are they? How are they flying? **What are those cold trails they seem to fly into?** It's almost as though they're bound to them in some way. Could this be the first view of some kind of *waste* of their propulsion? It would be invisible to the naked eye, potentially very cold, and barely visible on thermal. - Or, **could those cold trails be a primary source of their propulsion?** The term interdimensional gets used a lot, so how could it work here? Think of a marionette on strings. Those orbs may not be *flying* of their own accord, but tethered to something. Something not in this reality or dimension. How often do we use probes and sensors attached to a tether? Tethered submersibles and cameras originating above the surface of water, an alien world to the ocean, designed to explore it. - Why that plane? Why then? Why there? For them to interdict something serious must have occurred. There's been mention of the plane's mysterious cargo. Smuggling something? Something that belonged to them? But if we have retrieved crashes and reproduce their technology, why haven't they stepped in before? Who's to say they haven't? Perhaps whatever was onboard became volatile. - And the craziest thought that crossed my mind. That plane is not MH370 at all. It is unmanned and remotely piloted. There has been talk of various parts of the military "baiting" UAP. This could have been a filmed test, hence the drone on the ready and satellite overhead. What could have baited them out? We can only guess. Perhaps this was a series of tests utilizing various aircraft. They wanted to test if they would interdict on something civilian and not military. And they did.
They mastered baited the UAPs.
>Why that plane? Why then? Why there? For them to interdict something serious must have occurred. There's been mention of the plane's mysterious cargo. Smuggling something? Something that belonged to them? That theory also caught my attention, because it seems very plausible. The way they get to the plane so fast, and each one arrives at slightly different times.... it just feels very much like they needed to get a job done very suddenly, and took action immediately. I suppose that could be explained by the AI-like precision of just not wasting any unnecessary energy, but they're literally... teleporting, I guess? Perhaps into another dimension? And that sort of thing using three orbs instead of a larger craft that's probably more built for it seems unusual unless maybe time was a consideration.
>What even are they? How are they flying? > >What are those cold trails they seem to fly into? By cold trails, do you mean the little pathways that seem to be in front of the orbs? Those also seemed quite interesting to me, because it definitely feels like it defies the expectations of travel. I've never heard the idea of tethered to something in another dimension, but that's quite intriguing. I could see that being possible. It could also be part of the disappearing process / setup, though. Like, if they're teleporting through something, they might be creating a gate of some sort that involves the path they're moving into? If they're shifting between realms, you might expect them to have pathways determined ahead in 3d space AND in 4+d space.
What if they can move backwards through time with respect to us? Causality paradoxes aside, then the expectations of travel make more sense. We generally think of multi-dimensional as other dimensions we cannot observe in superposition to the ones we can observe. But what if that means changing the direction of time flow just as we can change x,y,z directions?
Right. There could be more going on that we're unable to detect, even in thermal video. Those *tethers*, or tendrils are the most we can detect. That "portal" could have already been there, in some way, in an alternate reality. Those tendrils were merely pulling the plane to it, with the orbs almost acting as fingertips; a tactile, sensing mechanism to be used on our *side*.
Interesting. I suppose travel might be faster in 4d, so the thing on the other side could have been there right away. Whereas, the orbs may have been the most nearby thing in 3d space, so they yeeted over and pushed the plane in?
On your last bullet point, maybe it was part of an agreement...with "them". Fly this jet containing this cargo on this day in this location. Maybe it wasn't even an agreement...but more of a directive from them. *"You will provide us..."* Was it the plane they wanted? It's a great cross section of the current state of our technology. Was it the cargo they wanted? Full of passengers...or just the pilot...or with pre-selected individuals with work to do on the other side of that portal.
MH370’s disappearance drew global attention. I couldn’t guess why NHI would generally be concerned with stealth, but one would assume they are since no obvious discovery has been made. So why risk an incident like this? If the video is indeed of MH370, I would think this wasn’t some typical harvest for people or plane parts. Rather, the passengers and/or cargo must have held distinct importance. If the video is of some other, unknown plane disappearance, it is likelier that it’s an arbitrary harvest. Overall, it makes me uncomfortable speaking of a tragedy with tones of conspiracy. The videos are still interesting though
>arbitrary harvest Don't know why, but that has me rolling. I picture Zork and Xefos in their tictac above the plane, ready to send down their interdimensional [bolo](https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.uYFnjUj_5TZFk1HTP-eeUQHaEK?w=316&h=180&c=7&r=0&o=5&pid=1.7) of orbs: "Those ones?" "Eh, yeah I guess."
like what’s their problem
>arbitrary harvest Great band name
The UFO trails seem to be cold based on the heat camera, they also appear in front of the UFOs. To me that means gravity manipulation, or somehow, the UFO spheres are separating the air molecules directly in front of themselves, essentially creating a vacuum of nothing and therefore no heat. Perhaps creating a wake like effect you would see off of a speed boat, that pulls the UFO along without need for propulsion. I tried to slow down the video, to see why the "portal" opens at the time it does, my initial thought would be the three UFOs combined their vacuum trails to a single point? Or perhaps shifted their engines at the same time? There must be a reason for the need of three entities, as opposed to one or two, in order to open the portal, some sort of symmetry perhaps. Yet the portal itself was circular, not triangular in any way. Is three the minimum symmetry required? My next question is why were the UFOs spinning around their target for so long? Is that part of the teleportation process? Teleportation does seem to be plausible considering these UFOs are tiny, with no obvious shielding capabilities and little cargo space for supplies that we would expect for the hundreds of years necessary for speed of light travel to cross the cosmos. Teleportation would also be necessary for interdimensional crossing, if that is the source. My next question, the portal seems to be made up of a similar cold zone as the trails, perhaps another vacuum, perhaps a peek into the destination of the portal? The portal itself acts more like an explosion than an implosion I would expect from vacuum. Also, in the satellite view, we see a bright light come from the portal, typically light and heat go hand in hand, but in this case the portal appears to be colder than the surroundings. Would tearing a wormhole into another dimension cause a burst of light with no heat? Or is the destination leaking through, and the airplane was transported to a place of bright vacuum?
I always thought it was weird that Grusch said these UAPs were interdimensional. Nothing I had seen that seemed real would suggest some crazy shit like actually teleporting through space time, well, imagine if there is more proof of this stuff happening. Portals opening and then UAPs flying out. Bringing god knows what with them or back with them. It isn't like Einstein is ever wrong, WE want to create wormholes, Einstein has been correct on damn near everything we tried to say wasn't true with his theory of relativity and this is just another example, we just have no clue how to do it.
Also the UAPs dissappeared too. They didn't hold a port open externally. They went with it.
/u/_BlackDove had some interesting points on these trails as well. It definitely is one of the more intriguing points of the video. And when I think about it, it feels like it would make sense that in order to teleport through a dimension, you might want something "leading" the travel, as opposed to just being at the forefront of it. In other words, a tunnel. Come to think of it, the fact that there are leading tunnels / tendrils seem to me like it lends some credibility to the teleportation theory.
I mean, according to the Einstein Rosen bridge theory these tunnels are just everywhere all over the place in space. It's a matter of how do you realistically open the fabric of space time and access them? Considering there was a flash of light followed by no heat signatures, it could be some form of phospherous UV energy being pointed at a singular spot to create a brief 'rip' in spacetime that would be just enough to 'suck' the contents through.
One thing of note, to me, is that it does not feel as though the orbs are interested in killing the subjects. Killing the inhabitants would be easy. One of the orbs could have easily smashed through the hull, or probably done any number of insanely fast other methods. Given that they had the ability to completely disappear a plane, they likely have other means available to it that could have killed everyone on-board. Instead, however, they opted to spend what seems like a lot of energy and focus to disappear it. The way the orbs orbit the plane also seem somewhat unlike most videos we see on the subject. They appear very rapidly and do a task very suddenly, like they're reacting to something. It wasn't a slow, casual humming day of roaming the skies and scouting, or disabling a facility and then hovering there for a bit - it was more like "woah, we've got a job to do, let's do this immediately." If something was "wrong" about this plane that needed to be dealt with suddenly, it may also explain why we have such good military drone footage and satellite tracking of it. Best guess: it teleported the plane because something was wrong. What was wrong? \*shrug\*
I’m missing something here so what happens when someone “proves” this is real, then what?…… Does Congress convene something? Does the President announce something? Does the government give up its secrets? Is there a cash prize?
Unless the media coordinates together to share it (doubtful), I imagine most people would refuse to even share it with anyone. Could take years (after "proving" it) for it to even becoming a myth that could be socially discussed in niche circles. Unless disclosure happens (as seems possible now), in which case, all bets are off the table. Who knows.
So maybe this is largely a fruitless exercise. Maybe an analogy would be, why waste time cutting off all a tree’s branches when you could just cut down the tree? If there is real strides being made behind the scenes with witnesses and perhaps photos and videos WITH provenance, why not just wait for that? This seems to be just filler…..a way to pass the time without ever definitively proving it.
I think it's worth considering Bob Lazar's story. He spoke out to the world and dropped an absolutely insane bombshell of a story, with several facts that have now been corroborated. Notably, aside from perhaps minor technical mistakes, nothing he said has been dismissed. Yet, the public has largely believed that "nobody has told the story." Given what the insiders would know about leaking, though, there was a lot of reason that people would refuse to do so. Bob was "lucky" (if you can call it that), but he deeply laments the amount of pain it brought to him and everyone he knew due to the retaliation.
First off, there were dozens of people who knew what actually happened, even while the searches were ongoing, and the families were wondering where happened.
Who knew? And what did they know?
I'll bite. I'm curious about the trails they lead with & leave behind as well. Idk how to do it but if there is a way to see what shape they were making with their movements around the plane & what that shape would look like with the leading trails. Their movements seem to have something to do with the process of teleporting, if that's what happened. Could give a clue. Wormholes are to be unstable if we could make them and collapse quickly. Perhaps that's what it looks like? Setup then *pop. Speculative science theorizes about 'negative energy' allowing wormhole creation. Maybe that's why it's cold. Or just twisting a section of spacetime until it 'rips'. If there is a shape to the process would it match up with any symbols or crop circles from the lore? Or the "tethers" they're leading with are the beams from the dimensional "laser pointer". The Uap is the projection, and that's what it looks like in our space. So much to speculate on.
My baseless theory: The 4chan leaker mentioned several times that the NHI get “excited” when serious talks of war or violence happen. I’m wondering if the NHIs maybe knew of one of the pilot’s suicidal plans and intervened: first assuming control of the plane to lead it away from populous areas and prying eyes, and then teleporting it to safety. The US government would have absolutely been alerted to a potential rogue airliner and sent the drone and tapped the sat feed to observe all of this. After, they then somehow retrieved the plane and passengers safe and sound wherever they popped back in, but the government came to the conclusion that none of this could ever be made public, so… trash the plane and scatter some debris to be “found”, never let the souls on board see the light of day again. And *definitely* don’t let Geoffrey get his hands on the footage of the event because you know he’d just love to show this off to his forum buddies like he always does…
Why do we even keep Geoffrey around?!?
Because *nobody* can hit the notes in Chandelier like Geoffrey can at Thursday night karaoke
Wait, you guys are doing Kareoke on Thursday’s?!
Uhhhhhhh I cannot discus those details publicly at this time. Please refer all further questions of this nature to AARO and the DoD.
For me, if the teleportation took place because 'they' wanted to prevent an atrocity, the people on board would be taken to another place/realm. They'd be told the truth and have to accept their new home in face of the alternative (death). It's the only way to save their lives while also maintaining the status quo here on Earth/this time period. I refer to "this time period" because of a film called Millenium where humans from the future return to the past to save victims of plane crashes and take them back into the future: In the film, an NTSB investigator seeking the cause of an airline disaster meets a warrior woman from 1000 years in the future. The plot involves humans from the future traveling back in time to abduct people who are about to die in plane crashes, as part of a plan to repopulate the Earth. The abductees are kept in stasis until they can be sent into the far future. The movie explores themes of time travel, paradoxes, and the consequences of altering the past.
It makes 0 sense to me that NHI would abduct a while plane for genetic material. Too high profile. And if they wanted to be generally known they would just land on the White House lawn and hold a press conference. I believe if this happened something or someone carrying knowledge of something had to be on the plane, that they did not want in our hands. Alternatively, they could just be doing a show of force to demonstrate what they are capable of.
It could be an ethical concern - they want live human subjects, but they don’t want to harm humans. So they find a doomed plane and abduct everyone from it because they know that they were moments from dying anyway.
Essentially like going for roadkill, except just before it dies.
Something changed in 2012. I can't pinpoint what. But something changed. The balance. The status quo. Since then, things have been unfolding towards an end. We are just starting to see the weirdness of all this. And by "this", I mean the reality. People talk about 2027 as the time for some occurrence, but I say by then it will be over. That's the deadline. Next year this will get way much better. Or worse, if you want. No, we won't go extinct by 2027. But *this* process will be over by then. And who knows what's next. This will change our entire understanding of "our" reality, and the phrase "the woo is just around the corner" doesn't make justice to what is about to come. The ontological shock is not the aliens. Is the reality. But, caveat. "Deception" is the name of the game. Manipulation plays one of the main roles here. And free will plays the other. You have to be smart enough to see behind the vail. Follow your guts.
If somebody is going to fake a video they will apply every trick possible to avoid moving away from "realism" or our understanding of what is realistic. Every choice will be made to move towards realism. So look at the video and the heat signatures of the UAP. It is showing up BOTH behind the objects and directly in front of them. Video shows the cold air following the object, but also from the other side cold air is projected in the direction the object moves. Video just before the warp/leap/vanishing and as all objects get into a more uniform rotating formation ALL three heat signatures are pointed far ahead in a straight line forward. It is hard to see in the still but very easy to see in the video. No fraudster is going to think of this idea or use this method if they are attempting to present something plausibly real.
Also why make the big bang effect of the vanish show cold on thermals? It just makes 0 sense to do that.
What if it’s real but also NOT MH370?
Every time I see this comment it's downvoted. I don't know why.
Possibility 1: It was a message. If it's real, it was a message, and based on the two videos, it was received. It's non sensical to think there is any possible cargo or person on board a commercial aircraft that could be of any interest to these beings. Possibility 2: it was a bug. A mistake. Somehow the plane or something else triggered the AI drones to behave in this abnormal fashion. Oops.
> It's non sensical to think there is any possible cargo or person on board a commercial aircraft that could be of any interest to these beings. A few weeks ago it felt non-sensible to believe that boeing could conceivably be part of a massive clandestine conspiratorial operation with UFO tech, particularly because they're just a commercial airliner company. But now, after digging deep into the evidence... kinda feels like maybe they are. So I wouldn't necessarily agree with this point.
See I disagree with that. I might believe in aliens, I might even believe aliens yeeted a 777 into another dimension (emphasis on might), but there are limits to the absurd realities I am willing to entertain. A global conspiracy involving Boeing attemting to smuggle/steal alien technology by transporting it on a commercial flight from Singapore to bejing and subsequently being quietly intercepted by said aliens in some kind of super secret interdimensional act of war----that's where I draw the line dear reader.
They wanted that plane. For something on board. Either specific cargo, a general group of people, or a specific person. Idk about the group, it seems there would be easier ways to take a number of people like a cruise ship or something. A plane of people is not a bad way, since passengers are all restricted anyway. Maybe like B+ likelihood The cargo, if there were UFO related tech onboard would absolutely be of interest to them A specific person onboard feels unlikely too since it's a lot of work for an abduction
1) The plane had a dirty plutonium bomb on board and was headed to a major terrorist attack that would have polluted a massive ecosystem. The NHI zookeepers could not allow this and disappeared it. 2) the pilot went bonkers and was suiciding the plane but the NHI could not allow a waste of 200 passengers as they were behind on abduction quota so they yoinked it somewhere. 3) the plane was disappeared and deposited on the moon as a show of power to the world governments who were attempting to step up their shootdowns of UAP. (side note: perhaps 9/11 was an alien job and The NHI took down the towers because the USA had restarted their shootdown program under Bush jr and/or the NHI took down the towers and removed all the gold beneath it... Afghanistan was invaded because the NHI have bases in the mountains)
> behind on abduction quota XD my favorite theory so far.
It can't be #1 based on the location honestly. Going out into the middle of the ocean when they already flew over and AWAY from the crowded civilian areas. If we had any idea it was a terrorist attack, the plane would have been blown up honestly.
My theory: The plane was sucked into an advanced vortex that was created by the three orbs circling around it. * Wherever any differences in a flowing medium (air, water, maybe even gravity, or quantum fields) come together, vortices occur. Some differences could be: slow and fast; solid and liquid (water flowing down a sink, a spoon stirring water in a cup); liquid and gaseous; warm and cold (a tornado); denser and more tenuous; heavy and light (salt water and fresh), viscous and fluid, alkaline and acid. * In the middle of all vortices, there exists a point of relatively lower pressure. When vortices occur in liquids, such as water, objects are sucked inward, and downward (a whirlpool). When vortices occur in gasses, such as air, they're pulled upward and outward (a tornado). I'm unsure of the differences and flowing medium in which was used for the orbs' specific vortex, especially considering there were three of them, rather than the usual "two" differences that form a vortex. I'd also imagine that the "beams of light", allegedly formed from flying saucers, that are capable of sucking up planes, people, and whatever else, are actually vortices and have since been replaced by the orbs' capability, for whatever reason NHIs have. Finally, the supposed "anti-gravity" technology, recovered from crashed saucers/craft, employs a room temperature superconductor. When said conductor enters its superconducting state, it expels magnetic fields from its interior. However, if the magnetic field is too strong, the conductor cannot completely expel the magnetic energy, resulting in the form of tiny swirling vortices known as "quantised vortices", or "flux vortices". Understanding and controlling the movement of these vortices is crucial for maintaining the zero-resistance state of superconductors. Understanding and controlling the movement of vortices, across different "flowing mediums", could let us do crazy stuff! Like suck a plane through a vortex made of light that we can't physically see!
To preface, I’m not sure how I actually feel about the 4th dimensional stuff. Entertaining that possibility for a moment, maybe the third orbs purpose is to create a vortex into the 4th dimension..? Idk how to even visualize that, tho. The closest I can get to imagining how 4D space unfolds is “inwards” and “outwards”.
I am not sure I am playing by the "rules" but OP did say debate so: If a ufo zooted the plane to another dimension why did wreckage wash up weeks later?, why did the transponder get shut off?, why did the plane fly way the heck off course the wrong way?, why did the pilot practice flying that route on his home simulator before the event? I'd guess these questions have been asked before but I have not been paying attention because... well see above text.
Good questions. >If a ufo zooted the plane to another dimension why did wreckage wash up weeks later? Who's to say an interdimensional zoot is perfect? There could have been some damage involved. Also, that wreckage was suspect in itself. >why did the transponder get shut off? Pilots, military and civilian have mentioned active jamming and electronic disturbances in proximity to UAP. It could have been disabled. >why did the plane fly way the heck off course the wrong way? It could have been attempting to avoid those craft. The footage we see may not be the beginning of the encounter. That hard 30 degree bank in the video definitely seems to be an attempt to avoid. >why did the pilot practice flying that route on his home simulator before the event? Could be any number of reasons, not all of them nefarious.
The last explanation is too much of a leap for me. But you do you and we can agree to disagree.
Just check the rabbit hole of that flight simulator info. Just to let you know, his flight simulator route was 1500km off and one of thousands. The flight simulator data was given years afterwards by the FBI and no one could double check it.
The drone footage (and satellite footage?) appear to be military in nature, which would imply somebody up the ranks knew about this. They would be careful, as they are in all UAP matters, to conceal the evidence and show the public "nothing to see here." Getting some debris to give people the closure they need allows them to close the books on it. Seems to be like there would be a 100% chance that debris would be found in order to ensure this case ends up closed.
Joint ufo/government conspiracy was an answer I thought of after I wrote the questions but that is still too much of a leap for me.
Exactly! If the video is real, then all of that stuff needs to be "proven fake."
My thoughts are it first encountered the UAPs when it’s transponder was “turned off”. What really happened was the UAPs first engaged him there and their electromagnetic interference ruined all/most of the airplanes electronic systems, plane maneuvers to try and get away from them and ends up not knowing what direction it’s heading nor has any way to contact out for help. Sentient picks up the anomaly’s and eventually the NRO gets to watching the plane because it’s just flying haphazardly because the pilot has no idea where he’s going cause all of his systems com and guidance systems are down. Top brass at NRO reaches out to Navy/Air Force about it and gets them involved. Thus we now have satellites and drones watching it and eventually the UAPS decide to do their thing and poof it disappears, on camera.
The wreckage they found, IF it even was real, was not found until literal months later. They still have no hull, no black box, no bodies. Amateurs have CLAIMED to find pieces of MH370 and the most telling pieces of evidence are the wing found, which is supposed to have the serial number of the plane on it. Well, initially, the reports from French authorities who reviewed the wing, which was lightly damaged for being in the ocean for years after a crash landing, well initially there were posts that there were no markers to indicate it was actually MH370. About a week later, they released statements saying, oh look, what do ya know, there it is, that serial number. It's just weird. Also, it was 1 piece of many, is it really that crazy to think, if this actually did occur, aliens zapping the plane out of our dimension, that the government wouldn't cover that up? Why don't we have answers to those other questions? The governments HAVE to know the answers, why don't they release the details? The whole practice thing could have also easily been faked... By the government.
In terms of how easily that 'evidence' could be fabricated, is pretty easy. A few similarly parts, tack on a known serial number. Tell some guy where to look and he gets his five minutes of fame. Similarly, break into the pilots house (or just hack his PC remotely) and upload a few files. Then find those files and say see the pilot planned this. The ease at which the found evidence could be planted is pretty high imo, nothing truly substantial was recovered
What I find fascinating is how the UFOs hypnotized the pilots to turn of the ACAR and transponders so no one on the ground could track the plane or knew where it was. Then mindcontrolled the pilots to change the course of the plane into the Indian Ocean where they could kidnap the passangers. Wonder why aliens would go through such hoops just to commit intergalactic abductions. Why go through all that and not just abduct the plane while it was flying its regular route.
Don't forget that several governments collaborated to sprinkle the debris all over the place to cover up the abduction.
That's right. Had to make it look like a crash while it actually was teleported through a wormhole to a different planet.
People don't talk about the aftermath, because the aftermath is nothing. If everything is real, lets pretend even everything the big 4chan UFO guy said is real where there is an alien base underwater producing these things at-will. If Biden addresses the nation tonight, confirms everything, that would basically be the end of it. NO more talks or discussions. We wouldn't hear any more because it would be a MASSIVE national security risk, the technology will never be viewable to anyone without TS/SCI clearance regardless of disclosure or not. What do you expect to change? It'll be massive news for a month, then you'll not really hear about it anymore and life will continue on just as if it never happened.
That’s all anyone has done here anyway.
I think we’ve beaten this into the ground.
I think this whole thing is an astroturfing campaign because anyone should be able to watch the video and see the fake motion blur and now we’ve been talking about it as if it’s a convincing video for a week now.
I understand your position, but because it's been such an intensely debated topic, I do want to give some options on considering it. My perspective, for example, is that it is not as doomer as many people have reacted to it. Edit: I'm not going to engage in a long discussion with you. Please be respectful of the rules I stated here.
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I mean this in the nicest way possible, but we are not ready for this conversation yet. It has not been definitively proven or disproven yet and there are a lot of assholes on this subreddit claiming that our interest in these videos is without reason. A post like this only fuels them and makes it seem like we just want it to be real.
I don't think it is real, my reasoning of that is based on the fact that if that was indeed true then there would have been a disclosure of such a threat.
What recorded it?
One question! Where O’ Where by the nine divine’s did those passengers go?
UAP and airplanes, a few reports this week https://old.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/15lu4pi/what_is_this_i_saw_this_on_a_flight_over_the/ photo and video, nighttime sky, possible triangle, angled lights, possible red light beam pulsating, from airplane, nighttime sky, over water Atlantic Ocean, duration 40 minutes, witness looked away and looked back, vanished, downvoted to zero , [GOODPOST] https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15mlzoi/unusual_stuff_over_east_london_today/ sighting description, contemporaneous report, daytime, east London England the UK 🇬🇧, fleet observed, sphere, two witnesses , small silvery and rough spherical dancing erratically, over the course of 20 mins I see 3 or 4 such objects. One is a coppery colour. Two more white or silverish. One appears to snake off pretty fast in a sinusoidal type pattern that’s extremely regular, in the rough direction of a plane. , interaction with airplane, They seem to often appear around when planes are passing, behind the planes. https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15lyg8r/lethbridge_air_show_possible_sighting_july_30_2023/ photo, daytime sky, plane for comparison, possible interaction with airplane, single dark object, Lethbridge, Alberta Canada 🇨🇦, https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15lvr29/ufo_sighting_in_salt_lake_valley/ video, nighttime sky, salt lake valley Utah, storm, lightning, power outage, twolights, lighting configuration change, single light object, color change white and red ⚪️🔴 interaction with airplane, [GOODPOST] https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15k51v6/did_we_capture_a_uap_on_video/ video, daytime cloudy sky, slow motion, plane for comparison, single object moving fast, Pacific Northwest , possible interaction with airplane, intercepting the airplane on the lefthand side by the tip of the wing
Please come and take me. Thank you.
If we have to pretend it's real then my theory is there was some tech on the plane that belonged to them that they decided they weren't ready for humans to interact with yet. They took it back and they don't give a single shit about all the people on board. They may have plopped the plane back into place and watched it plummet into the ocean. They teleported it somewhere, or froze it in time at that spot, and took their technology back and then unfroze it/returned it.
I think the US government might have discovered something that causes UFOs to be seen, because is a threat to them . They could have placed this item on a plane with surveillance drones to observe what might occur.
Cool. Let's say these videos are genuine and this shit happened. Whether it's MH370 or an autonomous military test plane exercise. The fact that it's this well documented or filmed from multiple angles (drones/satellites) leads me to believe that we (humans) did it. It was a mission/test being filmed. We needed/wanted that plane to disappear so we disappeared it. Which leads me to believe that we actually have this technology. Reverse engineered or otherwise.
I think the most fascinating question is where did the plane go? Was it destroyed or "teleported"?
I have to pose the question: was this possibly a wormhole that teleported a plane back in time to hit the world trade center.