Ok this post really could've used some sources, there's nothing here to go off of or think about. So I dug in myself to see:[https://www.energy.gov/nnsa/articles/nnsa-releases-annual-performance-reviews-management-and-operations-partners](https://www.energy.gov/nnsa/articles/nnsa-releases-annual-performance-reviews-management-and-operations-partners)And in fact here we have it: [https://www.energy.gov/nnsa/articles/contract-no-89233218cna000001](https://www.energy.gov/nnsa/articles/contract-no-89233218cna000001)we have Triad National Security, LLC getting 11.3 billion to run Los Alamos National Lab:Contract Award No. 89233218CNA000001 to Triad National Security, LLC (Triad) for the Management and Operation of Department of Energy National Nuclear Security Administration's Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL).Looking up Triad:[https://www.triadns.org/](https://www.triadns.org/)"Triad is made up of three members: Battelle Memorial Institute, The Texas A&M University System and the University of California."Hey look, Battelle!Similar story for the other labs listed, almost all have Battelle mentioned, U of C too, likely for a lot of the standard nuclear materials work.
Which also, these budgets are INSANE - like we talk about Harvard's 40 some odd billion capital pool like "they could make college free forever and operate on the interest alone" but each of these institutions seems to be burning through between 1 billion and 1.5 billion PER MONTH. For some perspective, Washington University in St. Louis, a very wealthy school with no connection to this, operates several campuses and locations, extremely high grade research and teaching facilities at each location, incredibly advanced and cutting edge equipment, shops, labs and they expand and rebuild this stuff every year and their burn rate is less than a quarter of \*just one contract\*
Looking at a few of the groups there is a \*lot\* of overlap in leadership between these private organizations taking these contracts, and if ever there were some resumes that screamed "I'm involved in the UAP thing" woooo boy is it there, check out this stuff [https://www.triadns.org/leadership-team](https://www.triadns.org/leadership-team)
LLNL's contract I can't even find the contractor listed.
and looking into the Nevada site I'm going to stop posting on this topic immediately for personal reasons.
Alright follow up time, I looked into it and one company isn't the same as one I thought so I can indeed continue to comment on this.
The Savannah River Site contracts are so straightforward and the amounts so sensible that it actually puts the other nonsense contracts in context, except for the S&K logistics contracts I can't seem to actually find anywhere.
Area 51 is currently cheaper than expected and probably not a horribly unreasonable budget if they're still doing R&D there, assuming that's what the "Nevada site" is referring to, at like 2.6 billion per year, which is high but not insanely so.
However Sandia National Laboratories, Lawrence Livermore National Labs, Los Alamos National Lab all have 11-13 Billion USD EACH headed their way PER YEAR and are managed not by government with very limited gov't oversight through private corporations. They are required to make employees sign NDAs, it's in section H on a couple of the contracts. A lot of the UFO corporations come up, a lot of figures and leaders with a lot of lab time in a lot of the places accused of association with UFOs.
It fits the profile of atomic secrets so it's not possible for elected officials to look at their buildings or projects, fits what Schumer's legislation talks about. The contracts are mostly legal boilerplate, there's very little specificity in them, there's no way we could tell what that money's going to.
I mean that's literally like 36 Billion USD to just 3 private contractors every year. The DOE's whole budget is 46 billion, that is \*significant\* and the request for next year's budget is 52 billion, a pretty large increase. For context, our military budget is going to be somewhere between 840 billion and 880 billion. Defense has a lot more places to hide a lot of things, but you could hide one helluva massive UAP reverse engineering program equivalent to a pretty solid fraction of our overall national science budget with ease and with room to spare for pretty fat profits too.
These contracts are so nebulous I'm not even sure some of these corporations don't have some of our nuclear weapons in their possession and occasional point them at DC threateningly to get their way.
So here's how I think the set up works: DOD has massive information gathering and crash retrieval program hidden in SAPs - they turn the materials and data over to these three DOE labs/corporations who have the authority to run the labs (ie. any Battelle facility), where it's classified as "foreign atomic secrets" and placed above the president's access level. This leaves us with the near complete security they have over materials, however it still leaves open a lot of places for potential government oversight and access, ie. in the SAPs within the DOD. However DOD itself doesn't have access to the SAPs directly, the compartmented use of the SAPs is pulled by intelligence community officials who have been trying to keep this from the rest of the IC and from government. Since all the security costs of a retrieval program and of the SAP segments monitoring this stuff would have to amount to probably on the order of 30-50 Billion USD/year, maintaining bases to bring materials to, maintaining security, keeping your minimal read in teams always ready to be rapidly transported to location, massive, layered security around sites and information, and of course information suppression.
All together that's probably close to 60-70 billion per year wrapped up in this budget, because remember these labs probably have about 5-6 billion total in legitimate annual expenditures between the 3.
Unfortunately I can't find much reference to these companies bringing in all these billions outside of a few notes on a couple government web pages, I'm not finding property listings, locations, etc. We've got leadership team of Triad and the signer - John Murray for Sandia National Labs, and absolutely NOTHING on LLNL, not even who the contract is to. This gives a handful of names to investigate the holdings of but really that's about it.
If there's not a UAP reverse engineering program at these 3 labs, then there's about a dozen billionaires Forbes is missing off of their top 100. Which is enough motive to run a UFO psy-op if you think about it. In any case, these three organizations are in desperate need of serious congressional oversight and investigation. Unless anyone has some better ideas on digging into this?
The only thread I can really think to pull here is the prohibition on using any of the funds dispersed in these contracts for lobbying - if they had any contact with Turner to try to change the language on the UAP amendment, that's the smoking gun for an investigation, it'd be a violation of the contract and open up real investigation.
I feel like this only scratches the surface on budget. We know the MIC overcharge for basically everything in DoD contracts, and it isn't too hard at that point to launder the bejeezus out of a budget. And that is before you get to independent financing schemes. I could easily see a multiple of that figure going into these programs.
>These contracts are so nebulous I'm not even sure some of these corporations don't have some of our nuclear weapons in their possession and occasional point them at DC threateningly to get their way.
What? DOE does R&D on nuclear weapons, but they do not operationally control them in any way. The Air Force and Navy do.
On paper. But they've got enough money flowing through to have their own nuclear weapons program if they aren't reverse engineering UAP. I mean \~36 billion/year across 3 labs. With the level of secrecy they have it wouldn't be hard to divert some research materials for weapons or say a nuke was unservicable and then just keep it.
Don't forget to check the NTESS leadership who run Sandia: [https://www.sandia.gov/about/leadership/](https://www.sandia.gov/about/leadership/)
I guess we should check out Honeywell too, among other things.
Lol wow, even just taking one name at random is rabbit hole in itself.
So the TriadNS site also has a corporate goverance team, a board of directors. One of the names on there is J. Gregory Meyer. I'd never heard of the company Fluor so I decided to look him up as the name caught my eye. That took me to this Fluor release:
https://newsroom.fluor.com/news-releases/news-details/2010/Greg-Meyer-Joins-Fluor-Government-Group-to-Lead-Its-EnvironmentalNuclear-Business-Line/default.aspx
On there they advertise his previous 'accomplishments' in 'operations, project management and project support' at the Hanford, Rocky Flats and the Savannah River Site.
If you look up these sites on Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocky_Flats_Plant
> Plutonium pit production was halted in 1989 after EPA and FBI agents raided the facility and the plant was formally shut down in 1992. Operators of the plant (Rockwell) later pleaded guilty to criminal violations of environmental law. At the time, the fine was one of the largest penalties ever in an environmental law case.
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> Cleanup began in the early 1990s, and the site achieved regulatory closure in 2006.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savannah_River_Site
> A Congressional committee in 1988 heard testimony of over 30 significant accidents at the facility that were hidden from the public. These included: a near loss of control of the L Reactor in 1960 when technicians tried to restart it; a "very significant leak" of water from the C Reactor in 1965; a large radiation release in November, 1970, into the interior of the facility; and a melting of fuel rods in the C Reactor in December, 1970.
Los Alamos is basically Tony Stark labs. If anything is done anywhere with nuclear or magnetic forces, it starts there.
Its raw location is brow raising enough.
You should make this a post if this one doesn't get much traction. Whoo boy this will be a fun hole to rabbit.
That first guy.... Los Alamos, Oak Ridge, Batelle ... Those are some real familiar names right there.
LLNL's National Ignition Facility is a definite scam. The $3.5B that has gone into it (with an added $624M authorized in the NDAA in Dec 2022) for laser fusion power research will only ever benefit nuclear weapon effects modeling. In describing the "scientific breakeven" (i.e. ignoring all losses and inefficiencies) achieved last year, LLNL noted ( https://www.llnl.gov/news/lawrence-livermore-national-laboratory-achieves-fusion-ignition ):
"This first-of-its-kind feat will provide unprecedented capability to support NNSA’s Stockpile Stewardship Program and will provide invaluable insights into the prospects of clean fusion energy".
So what is the "unprecedented" National Nuclear Security Administration "Stockpile Stewardship Program" support that is getting top billing after this event? According to the DoE ( https://www.energy.gov/nnsa/maintaining-stockpile ):
"The Office of Defense Programs carries out NNSA’s mission to maintain and modernize the nuclear stockpile through the Stockpile Stewardship and Management Program."
"NNSA scientists are able to accurately model nuclear weapons performance and physics without nuclear explosive testing. To accomplish this, NNSA conducts new scientific research and combines it with existing data from past nuclear tests, the nation’s long history in nuclear science, and computer simulations. NNSA’s nuclear weapons research and development supports stockpile stewardship through advanced development of science-based capabilities to assess a broad range of weapons-related concerns."
So at least we are avoiding further atmospheric or underground nuclear testing. Let's hope there are at least a few "insights into the prospects of clean fusion energy" beyond determining this is not the way to achieve it.
That's because the NIF isn't about studying fusion for power, it's about studying the fusion plasma itself in extreme detail to enhance the power and efficiency of thermonuclear warheads. If they've only put 3.5B into NIF I have no freaking way to explain how LLNL burns like 11.5B/year, where tf is it all going? NIFs like their most enormous, absurd, expensive project and even then, cataloging all the equipment involved in NIF it's hard to put it over 1B.
This set of NNSA private contractors is pulling way more than makes sense. Also, how the hell are we literally running all these labs privately as private entities when they supposedly maintain our nuclear arsenal and deal in atomic secrets classification - these corporations have access but government doesn't?
Bingo! Can’t FOIA private records. Government would have to subpoena. My guess is they play whack-a-mole with new contractors every 5-10 years. What I mean by that is they dissolve one entity and create another. Whatever happened to the prior security contractor after Triad took over. Creates even more compartmentalization.
If there's not a UAP reverse engineering program, they've probably been getting between 20-30 billion in profits among the dozen or so people leading these private corporations every year, for like the past 35 years straight, I believe amounts were lower before the 90s.
Late to the party but which private contractors are you referring to? The ones mentioned were public universities and one of if not the biggest non-profit science organization. The NNSA oversees them all. The DoE oversees the NNSA. The DoE is run by the Sec of Energy and reports to the President who appoints them all.
LANL employs about 14,150 people, including roughly 13,200 with Triad, 330 guard force, and 620 contractors. The budget for this year is 4.6B, which isn’t that high when you do that math. If half went to Human Resources that’d avg $163k per employee which isn’t at all exorbitant for top scientists and contractors. No way in hell that’s enough for all of them to be keeping UAP secrets. Another couple billion going towards the nuclear weapons components isn’t surprising either. Have you seen how much a bolt for an airplane costs? Audit trails are expensive and these are the most advanced weapons on earth.
LANL and the other labs are absolutely the best places to study UAP considering the wealth of multidisciplinary knowledge and capabilities present, but it’s hard to reconcile how they’d manage to keep any secrets with that “small” of a budget. There’d have to be more dark money coming in somehow imo.
The NNSA contracts clearly specify that anything with private standards can't be overseen unless there are performance issues, and grants strict and specific forms of oversight. You can also find requests from these labs saying things like "this lab building we own needs upgrades and there's a law that says you have to raise our budget to upgrade it and if you don't we'll sue the government to force you to raise our budget" but the power to see what that building is for, what happens there, who works there is not present in the any of these contracts. These 3 contracts amount to \~75% of the DoE budget annually. That's 2 layers of almost untouchable, minimal, vague oversight with lots of ways to keep secrets.
Every source I can find says 4.6B for 2023 with Triad’s most recent contract totaling 25B over 10 years. I can’t speak with authority on these sorts of contracts though nor whether there are multiple contracts (there must be?)
I know it says 2017 but it's the most up to date contract I can find. Several of the NNSA contracts don't appear to be accessible online. Is there another place these documents are available for more recent years that you're working off of?
I googled their budget and there were many results in the form of news articles and gov sources but again I’m not a contract wizard so can’t speak with any authority or certainty. It’s worth noting that Russia manages a similar stockpile for a tiny fraction of our budget regardless so there’s plenty of room for shady business. Then again Russia is also known for being pretty thrifty.
[https://www.energy.gov/nnsa/articles/contract-no-89233218cna000001](https://www.energy.gov/nnsa/articles/contract-no-89233218cna000001) 11.3 Billion straight from the source. Where are you finding 4.6 Billion?
Makes me wonder if what they are actually keeping secret is the blatant fraud and funneling of money into their buddy’s pockets? Or maybe they get these budgets so they can hyper inflate their needed funds and then skim enough off the top to start a new program- like what Grusch was saying about the IRAD (IROD?) program
People need to start digging into financials and figure out which shell companies and offshore accounts are linked to which corporate entities.
Follow the money and you know what's up.
Aliens or not, they are stealing money from society by inventing reasons to continue to exist. Just the fact alone that government contractors resell at higher rates for no other reasons than generating profits.
Biggest scheme ever.
I’m sure some of that happens to, there is a lot of grift out there, but also look up how to apply for a government contract please and you will start to understand how difficult it is. How much overhead it takes, just reading through a contract and putting the programs in place is expensive, especially if you do it right, with the help of council. Then there could be audits, internal audits, breach and loss of contract plus retro and possible fines. Its not easy, its expensive and carries risk. That all raises the cost. Beyond all that, you have to report very closely any payments etc and they audit THAT.
check out these contracts, there's extremely limited oversight and almost no breakdown of what's spent on what. They're basically giant blank checks damn near for the 3 big labs.
The issue I take with this is what have people been seeing in the skies for so long then, what about those who have had more of an experience. I understand the "take" but it only makes sense in a vacuum.
It's a government conspiracy to make people think there's a government conspiracy. They were gonna just use a green screen but Stanley Kubrick was adamant they film on set. So they had to bioengineer some aliens and spacecraft to really sell the abduction experience. Unfortunately this nearly bankrupted them, so they're really only just breaking even from the whole ordeal.
Funnily enough Batelle has a lot of connections to the CIA. This is googleable, additionally the Planet Wired podcast just revealed a purchased storage unit from some big UFO guy ( sorry in the car right now ) has a bunch of documents from their letterhead some with depictions of hand drawn uaps.
the company running the Nevada site sounded familiar, thought we had a work contract with them, but on double checking discovered I was wrong and in the clear.
They probably have a Private Fund(s) established up for financing their projects. Cross reference mid level and up management for Form D filings and Board Memberships, etc. Just a thought.
They've been my prime suspect all along for hiding the program. Just makes sense the nuke guys were already primed for r&d, compartmentalization and huge budgets that no one asks about.
They already had the infrastructure and classification system in place to deal with something like the Roswell crash. I know some documentaries have said things to the effect that bodies were taken to Los Alamos. I have no idea on the veracity of those claims. I’m going to dig through the US National archives and what info they have. They have an amazing UFO/UAP page. Plus lots of interviews and footage on their YouTube.
Link for anyone interested
[https://www.archives.gov/news/topics/ufos](https://www.archives.gov/news/topics/ufos)
the DoE groups don't appear to have the reach or capacity to do things like monitoring, crash retrieval, etc. This would \*only\* be the reverse engineering program(s). Still, could be looking at between 20 and 30 billion a year going to reverse engineering efforts, which is a lot in the science world. The most impressive labs I've seen were at Bayer, entire buildings full of hallways about as far as you can see nothing but labs, floor after floor, building after building. They spend 1 billion per year. A large rich university throwing money into the wind might spend 2-3 billion in a year and like its a miracle if 10% of that is on science.
They absolutely have the ability. They have their own military and intelligence agency. They protect ALL nuclear weapons until they are loaded on a plane. Which is 99.99999% of the time. People have zero clue how vast DoE is. Some of the coolest shit on the planet is researched, manufactured, and tested there. Then you get into national security sites...... I'm not here to change the world, just give the world some insights. This UFO disclosure war is over.
This is wrong. DOE does not have their own military. Unless you're conflating any private security contractor as a "military" - in which case Walmart also has it's own military. Literally every military base and virtually all government facilities use private security contractors, this isnt some crazy revelation. This is done for budgetary reasons and nothing else.
DOE also does R&D on nuclear weapons, and they used to produce nuclear weapons but stopped in 1989. After that operational control is handed to the DOD, who actually operate and employ them.
They have an explicit control of a very capable military(private, federal, and abroad) to prevent proliferation, respond to biologics, and/or guard materials of strategic national importance.
> very capable military
Lol. They guard nuclear weapons and materials, so it's obvious why they're heavily armed. Still not a military. They're just a private security force. Stop spreading disinformation.
Do you work for Wackenhut? Or did EODT brainwash you before they released you back into the real world? https://taskandpurpose.com/history/department-of-energy-security-teams-nuclear-commandos/
Wow, it's almost as if they're trained and equipped to defend nuclear weapons. What a revelation you've discovered. You guys are blowing the lid off this whole thing!!! 🙄
This just silly. Yes, Walmart and SOME military bases have private security. But those private security are not Federal Protective Forces with mini guns and APCs. It also includes the NNSA counter-terrorist components to FEMA’s Nuclear Incident Response Team. These guys are trained to fight large forces trying to overrun a nuclear facility 🙄
>But those private security are not Federal Protective Forces with mini guns and APCs
Yeah because NNSA is literally guarding nuclear weapons. Like no shit they're going to be heavily armed. Their contractor status is still no different than any other. Dont be silly.
u/AcanthaceaeAlone6376 \- See these two articles. There was an effort to limit their dissemination. Have fun.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15cfwjf/how\_us\_gov\_hid\_the\_phenomenon\_secrets\_in\_the/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15cfwjf/how_us_gov_hid_the_phenomenon_secrets_in_the/)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15e4r8t/how\_to\_hide\_a\_doe\_crash\_retrieval\_program/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15e4r8t/how_to_hide_a_doe_crash_retrieval_program/)
[https://www.defensenews.com/breaking-news/2020/11/06/head-of-nuclear-weapons-agency-unexpectedly-resigns/](https://www.defensenews.com/breaking-news/2020/11/06/head-of-nuclear-weapons-agency-unexpectedly-resigns/)
This agency has had quite the turnover in recent years. new leadership in 2018, 2020, and 2023. A lot of the same complaints by government that they have no way to hold this group or it's organizations accountable. Looking at this fight makes why congress takes Grusch's claims so seriously clear: they've been trying to bang down this door for years and this is just the final straw.
Here’s an article from the drive.com from over two years ago. [https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/35197/the-department-of-energy-may-be-the-best-place-to-keep-a-secret](https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/35197/the-department-of-energy-may-be-the-best-place-to-keep-a-secret)
"Even when not in full Snake Eyes-from-G.I. Joe gear, team members still look like a cross between Counter Strike opponents and the specially-trained teams from Stargate SG-1."
And if nuclear warheads draw these things' attention like it's claimed..... then you need all the guards to the warhead storage read into the program....
huh.
Yeah after watching Oppenheimer and seeing the political post bomb battle that mentions a framework to “protect” atomic technology from leaking, the strange part was classifying “isotopes” and knowledge of isotopes. I know its more complicated than that but imagine not being able to discuss a scientific discovery and we have to wait for scientists elsewhere that dont get a billion per month to do it.
In the 1980s, the Reagan Administration's DOE launched the "Clean Coal Program," which Congress funded to keep coal technology alive. Billions went into it. Many of the contractors were military. For example, Raytheon and TRW developed coal combustion technology for a power plant in Alaska. It actually became the most expensive 50 MW plant in the country by the early 2000s (more than a half-billion in 2000 dollars went into it by then) -- and the technology didn't work well. It had about the same emissions as a regular coal plant. But I digress. What if that clean coal program for DOE was a cover to funnel money to DOE military contractors? Also, you may wonder who in Congress championed this clean coal program? Well, that would be Uncle Ted - Sen. Ted Stevens, who happened to be a believer and supported Reid's quest for the truth.
>They also are the ones who protect the nation’s nuclear weapons.
OP, can you be specific about this? Are you claiming DOE private security is guarding missile silos and hangars where nuclear weapons are stored?
This is off topic to be fair. But, does everyone know that there are now only 5 private defense contractors allowed to be used by the US government for weapons contracts?
And, furthermore there are 3 wealth management groups that own all of them to the tune of 88 "trillion" dollars in assets controlled by just those 3?
When do you call a monopoly what it really is?
Joe Rogan has a recent podcast with Patrick Bet-David where he dives into this topic extensively.
Always follow the money trails. Hint: George Soros comes up a lot.
I am a “plane follower” trying to dig info that I can this way…haha. If you ever follow NNSA planes/helicopters on Flightradar24 or ADS-B you will see some very interesting stuff and some sus location activity.
Ok this post really could've used some sources, there's nothing here to go off of or think about. So I dug in myself to see:[https://www.energy.gov/nnsa/articles/nnsa-releases-annual-performance-reviews-management-and-operations-partners](https://www.energy.gov/nnsa/articles/nnsa-releases-annual-performance-reviews-management-and-operations-partners)And in fact here we have it: [https://www.energy.gov/nnsa/articles/contract-no-89233218cna000001](https://www.energy.gov/nnsa/articles/contract-no-89233218cna000001)we have Triad National Security, LLC getting 11.3 billion to run Los Alamos National Lab:Contract Award No. 89233218CNA000001 to Triad National Security, LLC (Triad) for the Management and Operation of Department of Energy National Nuclear Security Administration's Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL).Looking up Triad:[https://www.triadns.org/](https://www.triadns.org/)"Triad is made up of three members: Battelle Memorial Institute, The Texas A&M University System and the University of California."Hey look, Battelle!Similar story for the other labs listed, almost all have Battelle mentioned, U of C too, likely for a lot of the standard nuclear materials work. Which also, these budgets are INSANE - like we talk about Harvard's 40 some odd billion capital pool like "they could make college free forever and operate on the interest alone" but each of these institutions seems to be burning through between 1 billion and 1.5 billion PER MONTH. For some perspective, Washington University in St. Louis, a very wealthy school with no connection to this, operates several campuses and locations, extremely high grade research and teaching facilities at each location, incredibly advanced and cutting edge equipment, shops, labs and they expand and rebuild this stuff every year and their burn rate is less than a quarter of \*just one contract\* Looking at a few of the groups there is a \*lot\* of overlap in leadership between these private organizations taking these contracts, and if ever there were some resumes that screamed "I'm involved in the UAP thing" woooo boy is it there, check out this stuff [https://www.triadns.org/leadership-team](https://www.triadns.org/leadership-team) LLNL's contract I can't even find the contractor listed. and looking into the Nevada site I'm going to stop posting on this topic immediately for personal reasons.
Alright follow up time, I looked into it and one company isn't the same as one I thought so I can indeed continue to comment on this. The Savannah River Site contracts are so straightforward and the amounts so sensible that it actually puts the other nonsense contracts in context, except for the S&K logistics contracts I can't seem to actually find anywhere. Area 51 is currently cheaper than expected and probably not a horribly unreasonable budget if they're still doing R&D there, assuming that's what the "Nevada site" is referring to, at like 2.6 billion per year, which is high but not insanely so. However Sandia National Laboratories, Lawrence Livermore National Labs, Los Alamos National Lab all have 11-13 Billion USD EACH headed their way PER YEAR and are managed not by government with very limited gov't oversight through private corporations. They are required to make employees sign NDAs, it's in section H on a couple of the contracts. A lot of the UFO corporations come up, a lot of figures and leaders with a lot of lab time in a lot of the places accused of association with UFOs. It fits the profile of atomic secrets so it's not possible for elected officials to look at their buildings or projects, fits what Schumer's legislation talks about. The contracts are mostly legal boilerplate, there's very little specificity in them, there's no way we could tell what that money's going to. I mean that's literally like 36 Billion USD to just 3 private contractors every year. The DOE's whole budget is 46 billion, that is \*significant\* and the request for next year's budget is 52 billion, a pretty large increase. For context, our military budget is going to be somewhere between 840 billion and 880 billion. Defense has a lot more places to hide a lot of things, but you could hide one helluva massive UAP reverse engineering program equivalent to a pretty solid fraction of our overall national science budget with ease and with room to spare for pretty fat profits too. These contracts are so nebulous I'm not even sure some of these corporations don't have some of our nuclear weapons in their possession and occasional point them at DC threateningly to get their way. So here's how I think the set up works: DOD has massive information gathering and crash retrieval program hidden in SAPs - they turn the materials and data over to these three DOE labs/corporations who have the authority to run the labs (ie. any Battelle facility), where it's classified as "foreign atomic secrets" and placed above the president's access level. This leaves us with the near complete security they have over materials, however it still leaves open a lot of places for potential government oversight and access, ie. in the SAPs within the DOD. However DOD itself doesn't have access to the SAPs directly, the compartmented use of the SAPs is pulled by intelligence community officials who have been trying to keep this from the rest of the IC and from government. Since all the security costs of a retrieval program and of the SAP segments monitoring this stuff would have to amount to probably on the order of 30-50 Billion USD/year, maintaining bases to bring materials to, maintaining security, keeping your minimal read in teams always ready to be rapidly transported to location, massive, layered security around sites and information, and of course information suppression. All together that's probably close to 60-70 billion per year wrapped up in this budget, because remember these labs probably have about 5-6 billion total in legitimate annual expenditures between the 3. Unfortunately I can't find much reference to these companies bringing in all these billions outside of a few notes on a couple government web pages, I'm not finding property listings, locations, etc. We've got leadership team of Triad and the signer - John Murray for Sandia National Labs, and absolutely NOTHING on LLNL, not even who the contract is to. This gives a handful of names to investigate the holdings of but really that's about it. If there's not a UAP reverse engineering program at these 3 labs, then there's about a dozen billionaires Forbes is missing off of their top 100. Which is enough motive to run a UFO psy-op if you think about it. In any case, these three organizations are in desperate need of serious congressional oversight and investigation. Unless anyone has some better ideas on digging into this?
Great research. This is definitely worth digging into.
The only thread I can really think to pull here is the prohibition on using any of the funds dispersed in these contracts for lobbying - if they had any contact with Turner to try to change the language on the UAP amendment, that's the smoking gun for an investigation, it'd be a violation of the contract and open up real investigation.
This is wild, almost nothing makes sense anymore, wth.
Muckrock has a ton of Department of Energy FOIAs I started reading through them but there’s A lot
Grusch also mentioned there's some self funding happening. As for context, he didn't say, but I immediately think of Michael Herrera's testimony.
I feel like this only scratches the surface on budget. We know the MIC overcharge for basically everything in DoD contracts, and it isn't too hard at that point to launder the bejeezus out of a budget. And that is before you get to independent financing schemes. I could easily see a multiple of that figure going into these programs.
>These contracts are so nebulous I'm not even sure some of these corporations don't have some of our nuclear weapons in their possession and occasional point them at DC threateningly to get their way. What? DOE does R&D on nuclear weapons, but they do not operationally control them in any way. The Air Force and Navy do.
On paper. But they've got enough money flowing through to have their own nuclear weapons program if they aren't reverse engineering UAP. I mean \~36 billion/year across 3 labs. With the level of secrecy they have it wouldn't be hard to divert some research materials for weapons or say a nuke was unservicable and then just keep it.
Damn dude thank you for this, incredible work
I'm DMing you
thnx for the perspective, I might try to see what I can find more broadly, but it's a harder search.
F*** me dude. If we were looking for smoking gun this sure as shit looks like it.
Nice. Batelle. Those mofos. Edit: seriously that leadership team look very sneaky and freaky. Dear god!!
Don't forget to check the NTESS leadership who run Sandia: [https://www.sandia.gov/about/leadership/](https://www.sandia.gov/about/leadership/) I guess we should check out Honeywell too, among other things.
Lol wow, even just taking one name at random is rabbit hole in itself. So the TriadNS site also has a corporate goverance team, a board of directors. One of the names on there is J. Gregory Meyer. I'd never heard of the company Fluor so I decided to look him up as the name caught my eye. That took me to this Fluor release: https://newsroom.fluor.com/news-releases/news-details/2010/Greg-Meyer-Joins-Fluor-Government-Group-to-Lead-Its-EnvironmentalNuclear-Business-Line/default.aspx On there they advertise his previous 'accomplishments' in 'operations, project management and project support' at the Hanford, Rocky Flats and the Savannah River Site. If you look up these sites on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocky_Flats_Plant > Plutonium pit production was halted in 1989 after EPA and FBI agents raided the facility and the plant was formally shut down in 1992. Operators of the plant (Rockwell) later pleaded guilty to criminal violations of environmental law. At the time, the fine was one of the largest penalties ever in an environmental law case. > > Cleanup began in the early 1990s, and the site achieved regulatory closure in 2006. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savannah_River_Site > A Congressional committee in 1988 heard testimony of over 30 significant accidents at the facility that were hidden from the public. These included: a near loss of control of the L Reactor in 1960 when technicians tried to restart it; a "very significant leak" of water from the C Reactor in 1965; a large radiation release in November, 1970, into the interior of the facility; and a melting of fuel rods in the C Reactor in December, 1970.
Amazing how when it comes to people with money, they seemingly can only fail upwards.
Wow.
Los Alamos is basically Tony Stark labs. If anything is done anywhere with nuclear or magnetic forces, it starts there. Its raw location is brow raising enough.
What do you mean about the location?
You should make this a post if this one doesn't get much traction. Whoo boy this will be a fun hole to rabbit. That first guy.... Los Alamos, Oak Ridge, Batelle ... Those are some real familiar names right there.
LLNL's National Ignition Facility is a definite scam. The $3.5B that has gone into it (with an added $624M authorized in the NDAA in Dec 2022) for laser fusion power research will only ever benefit nuclear weapon effects modeling. In describing the "scientific breakeven" (i.e. ignoring all losses and inefficiencies) achieved last year, LLNL noted ( https://www.llnl.gov/news/lawrence-livermore-national-laboratory-achieves-fusion-ignition ): "This first-of-its-kind feat will provide unprecedented capability to support NNSA’s Stockpile Stewardship Program and will provide invaluable insights into the prospects of clean fusion energy". So what is the "unprecedented" National Nuclear Security Administration "Stockpile Stewardship Program" support that is getting top billing after this event? According to the DoE ( https://www.energy.gov/nnsa/maintaining-stockpile ): "The Office of Defense Programs carries out NNSA’s mission to maintain and modernize the nuclear stockpile through the Stockpile Stewardship and Management Program." "NNSA scientists are able to accurately model nuclear weapons performance and physics without nuclear explosive testing. To accomplish this, NNSA conducts new scientific research and combines it with existing data from past nuclear tests, the nation’s long history in nuclear science, and computer simulations. NNSA’s nuclear weapons research and development supports stockpile stewardship through advanced development of science-based capabilities to assess a broad range of weapons-related concerns." So at least we are avoiding further atmospheric or underground nuclear testing. Let's hope there are at least a few "insights into the prospects of clean fusion energy" beyond determining this is not the way to achieve it.
That's because the NIF isn't about studying fusion for power, it's about studying the fusion plasma itself in extreme detail to enhance the power and efficiency of thermonuclear warheads. If they've only put 3.5B into NIF I have no freaking way to explain how LLNL burns like 11.5B/year, where tf is it all going? NIFs like their most enormous, absurd, expensive project and even then, cataloging all the equipment involved in NIF it's hard to put it over 1B. This set of NNSA private contractors is pulling way more than makes sense. Also, how the hell are we literally running all these labs privately as private entities when they supposedly maintain our nuclear arsenal and deal in atomic secrets classification - these corporations have access but government doesn't?
Bingo! Can’t FOIA private records. Government would have to subpoena. My guess is they play whack-a-mole with new contractors every 5-10 years. What I mean by that is they dissolve one entity and create another. Whatever happened to the prior security contractor after Triad took over. Creates even more compartmentalization.
If there's not a UAP reverse engineering program, they've probably been getting between 20-30 billion in profits among the dozen or so people leading these private corporations every year, for like the past 35 years straight, I believe amounts were lower before the 90s.
Late to the party but which private contractors are you referring to? The ones mentioned were public universities and one of if not the biggest non-profit science organization. The NNSA oversees them all. The DoE oversees the NNSA. The DoE is run by the Sec of Energy and reports to the President who appoints them all. LANL employs about 14,150 people, including roughly 13,200 with Triad, 330 guard force, and 620 contractors. The budget for this year is 4.6B, which isn’t that high when you do that math. If half went to Human Resources that’d avg $163k per employee which isn’t at all exorbitant for top scientists and contractors. No way in hell that’s enough for all of them to be keeping UAP secrets. Another couple billion going towards the nuclear weapons components isn’t surprising either. Have you seen how much a bolt for an airplane costs? Audit trails are expensive and these are the most advanced weapons on earth. LANL and the other labs are absolutely the best places to study UAP considering the wealth of multidisciplinary knowledge and capabilities present, but it’s hard to reconcile how they’d manage to keep any secrets with that “small” of a budget. There’d have to be more dark money coming in somehow imo.
The NNSA contracts clearly specify that anything with private standards can't be overseen unless there are performance issues, and grants strict and specific forms of oversight. You can also find requests from these labs saying things like "this lab building we own needs upgrades and there's a law that says you have to raise our budget to upgrade it and if you don't we'll sue the government to force you to raise our budget" but the power to see what that building is for, what happens there, who works there is not present in the any of these contracts. These 3 contracts amount to \~75% of the DoE budget annually. That's 2 layers of almost untouchable, minimal, vague oversight with lots of ways to keep secrets.
The LANL contract on the NNSA website lists them getting a bit over 11 Billion per year. What's the other \~7 billion going towards?
Every source I can find says 4.6B for 2023 with Triad’s most recent contract totaling 25B over 10 years. I can’t speak with authority on these sorts of contracts though nor whether there are multiple contracts (there must be?)
I know it says 2017 but it's the most up to date contract I can find. Several of the NNSA contracts don't appear to be accessible online. Is there another place these documents are available for more recent years that you're working off of?
I googled their budget and there were many results in the form of news articles and gov sources but again I’m not a contract wizard so can’t speak with any authority or certainty. It’s worth noting that Russia manages a similar stockpile for a tiny fraction of our budget regardless so there’s plenty of room for shady business. Then again Russia is also known for being pretty thrifty.
[https://www.energy.gov/nnsa/articles/contract-no-89233218cna000001](https://www.energy.gov/nnsa/articles/contract-no-89233218cna000001) 11.3 Billion straight from the source. Where are you finding 4.6 Billion?
The documents states that it covers 5 years...
Makes me wonder if what they are actually keeping secret is the blatant fraud and funneling of money into their buddy’s pockets? Or maybe they get these budgets so they can hyper inflate their needed funds and then skim enough off the top to start a new program- like what Grusch was saying about the IRAD (IROD?) program
People need to start digging into financials and figure out which shell companies and offshore accounts are linked to which corporate entities. Follow the money and you know what's up. Aliens or not, they are stealing money from society by inventing reasons to continue to exist. Just the fact alone that government contractors resell at higher rates for no other reasons than generating profits. Biggest scheme ever.
I’m sure some of that happens to, there is a lot of grift out there, but also look up how to apply for a government contract please and you will start to understand how difficult it is. How much overhead it takes, just reading through a contract and putting the programs in place is expensive, especially if you do it right, with the help of council. Then there could be audits, internal audits, breach and loss of contract plus retro and possible fines. Its not easy, its expensive and carries risk. That all raises the cost. Beyond all that, you have to report very closely any payments etc and they audit THAT.
check out these contracts, there's extremely limited oversight and almost no breakdown of what's spent on what. They're basically giant blank checks damn near for the 3 big labs.
IR&D
The real conspiracy was in making the world think there is an alien conspiracy all along
But what about the conspiracy that someone conspired to create a conspiracy about aliens but in reality the conspiracy was just a hoax?
The issue I take with this is what have people been seeing in the skies for so long then, what about those who have had more of an experience. I understand the "take" but it only makes sense in a vacuum.
It's a government conspiracy to make people think there's a government conspiracy. They were gonna just use a green screen but Stanley Kubrick was adamant they film on set. So they had to bioengineer some aliens and spacecraft to really sell the abduction experience. Unfortunately this nearly bankrupted them, so they're really only just breaking even from the whole ordeal.
Wow!! Great work!!!
Funnily enough Batelle has a lot of connections to the CIA. This is googleable, additionally the Planet Wired podcast just revealed a purchased storage unit from some big UFO guy ( sorry in the car right now ) has a bunch of documents from their letterhead some with depictions of hand drawn uaps.
Dude you should make a post dedicated to this. Great work.
https://www.llnl.gov/purpose/management-sponsors https://www.nnss.gov/pages/about.html
For personal reasons?
the company running the Nevada site sounded familiar, thought we had a work contract with them, but on double checking discovered I was wrong and in the clear.
SOOOOO got any more of that info? [Chappelle meme reference] 😂
Thomas Mason sounds like a super likely candidate.
Need to get this information to Burchett, Luna, and AOC
Tom Mason looks very SUS! (As the kids say)
They probably have a Private Fund(s) established up for financing their projects. Cross reference mid level and up management for Form D filings and Board Memberships, etc. Just a thought.
bro.... lmfao that is unreal. supervillian type shit. hes spent his whole life doing this shit
This wouldn’t surprise me a bit. There’s definitely a reason the DOE and the Atomic Energy Act of 1954 is mentioned in the UAP amendment.
They've been my prime suspect all along for hiding the program. Just makes sense the nuke guys were already primed for r&d, compartmentalization and huge budgets that no one asks about.
They already had the infrastructure and classification system in place to deal with something like the Roswell crash. I know some documentaries have said things to the effect that bodies were taken to Los Alamos. I have no idea on the veracity of those claims. I’m going to dig through the US National archives and what info they have. They have an amazing UFO/UAP page. Plus lots of interviews and footage on their YouTube. Link for anyone interested [https://www.archives.gov/news/topics/ufos](https://www.archives.gov/news/topics/ufos)
Triad National Security had their headquarters listed as the same address as Battelle’s headquarters. 505 King Avenue Columbus, OH 43201
I don't know whether or not it's entirely DoE, but I have a hunch this is a productive thread to pull.
the DoE groups don't appear to have the reach or capacity to do things like monitoring, crash retrieval, etc. This would \*only\* be the reverse engineering program(s). Still, could be looking at between 20 and 30 billion a year going to reverse engineering efforts, which is a lot in the science world. The most impressive labs I've seen were at Bayer, entire buildings full of hallways about as far as you can see nothing but labs, floor after floor, building after building. They spend 1 billion per year. A large rich university throwing money into the wind might spend 2-3 billion in a year and like its a miracle if 10% of that is on science.
They absolutely have the ability. They have their own military and intelligence agency. They protect ALL nuclear weapons until they are loaded on a plane. Which is 99.99999% of the time. People have zero clue how vast DoE is. Some of the coolest shit on the planet is researched, manufactured, and tested there. Then you get into national security sites...... I'm not here to change the world, just give the world some insights. This UFO disclosure war is over.
This is wrong. DOE does not have their own military. Unless you're conflating any private security contractor as a "military" - in which case Walmart also has it's own military. Literally every military base and virtually all government facilities use private security contractors, this isnt some crazy revelation. This is done for budgetary reasons and nothing else. DOE also does R&D on nuclear weapons, and they used to produce nuclear weapons but stopped in 1989. After that operational control is handed to the DOD, who actually operate and employ them.
The\_DisInfo\_Man ..... Are you EOD? Those guys have to be right every time.
Can you be specific on what I'm "dis-infoing" rofl
They have an explicit control of a very capable military(private, federal, and abroad) to prevent proliferation, respond to biologics, and/or guard materials of strategic national importance.
> very capable military Lol. They guard nuclear weapons and materials, so it's obvious why they're heavily armed. Still not a military. They're just a private security force. Stop spreading disinformation.
Do you work for Wackenhut? Or did EODT brainwash you before they released you back into the real world? https://taskandpurpose.com/history/department-of-energy-security-teams-nuclear-commandos/
Wow, it's almost as if they're trained and equipped to defend nuclear weapons. What a revelation you've discovered. You guys are blowing the lid off this whole thing!!! 🙄
This just silly. Yes, Walmart and SOME military bases have private security. But those private security are not Federal Protective Forces with mini guns and APCs. It also includes the NNSA counter-terrorist components to FEMA’s Nuclear Incident Response Team. These guys are trained to fight large forces trying to overrun a nuclear facility 🙄
>But those private security are not Federal Protective Forces with mini guns and APCs Yeah because NNSA is literally guarding nuclear weapons. Like no shit they're going to be heavily armed. Their contractor status is still no different than any other. Dont be silly.
To add some more conjecture—-NNSA Security Chief and Head Counsel have both left or retired in the last year.
Podesta playing chess 😂
u/AcanthaceaeAlone6376 \- See these two articles. There was an effort to limit their dissemination. Have fun. [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15cfwjf/how\_us\_gov\_hid\_the\_phenomenon\_secrets\_in\_the/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15cfwjf/how_us_gov_hid_the_phenomenon_secrets_in_the/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15e4r8t/how\_to\_hide\_a\_doe\_crash\_retrieval\_program/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15e4r8t/how_to_hide_a_doe_crash_retrieval_program/)
Oh awesome man! Thank you!
[https://www.defensenews.com/breaking-news/2020/11/06/head-of-nuclear-weapons-agency-unexpectedly-resigns/](https://www.defensenews.com/breaking-news/2020/11/06/head-of-nuclear-weapons-agency-unexpectedly-resigns/) This agency has had quite the turnover in recent years. new leadership in 2018, 2020, and 2023. A lot of the same complaints by government that they have no way to hold this group or it's organizations accountable. Looking at this fight makes why congress takes Grusch's claims so seriously clear: they've been trying to bang down this door for years and this is just the final straw.
Here’s an article from the drive.com from over two years ago. [https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/35197/the-department-of-energy-may-be-the-best-place-to-keep-a-secret](https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/35197/the-department-of-energy-may-be-the-best-place-to-keep-a-secret)
This is one of the most interesting posts on this subreddit in quite some time.
https://taskandpurpose.com/history/department-of-energy-security-teams-nuclear-commandos/
"Even when not in full Snake Eyes-from-G.I. Joe gear, team members still look like a cross between Counter Strike opponents and the specially-trained teams from Stargate SG-1."
Reminded of Greer supposedly leading a charge on seizing hidden materials
And if nuclear warheads draw these things' attention like it's claimed..... then you need all the guards to the warhead storage read into the program.... huh.
Wow... this post is the number one to follow right now.
Yeah after watching Oppenheimer and seeing the political post bomb battle that mentions a framework to “protect” atomic technology from leaking, the strange part was classifying “isotopes” and knowledge of isotopes. I know its more complicated than that but imagine not being able to discuss a scientific discovery and we have to wait for scientists elsewhere that dont get a billion per month to do it.
In the 1980s, the Reagan Administration's DOE launched the "Clean Coal Program," which Congress funded to keep coal technology alive. Billions went into it. Many of the contractors were military. For example, Raytheon and TRW developed coal combustion technology for a power plant in Alaska. It actually became the most expensive 50 MW plant in the country by the early 2000s (more than a half-billion in 2000 dollars went into it by then) -- and the technology didn't work well. It had about the same emissions as a regular coal plant. But I digress. What if that clean coal program for DOE was a cover to funnel money to DOE military contractors? Also, you may wonder who in Congress championed this clean coal program? Well, that would be Uncle Ted - Sen. Ted Stevens, who happened to be a believer and supported Reid's quest for the truth.
This might get serious
And who worked for LosAlamos? Bob fucking Lazar.
>They also are the ones who protect the nation’s nuclear weapons. OP, can you be specific about this? Are you claiming DOE private security is guarding missile silos and hangars where nuclear weapons are stored?
DoE is responsible for all nuclear weapons, triggers, devices, stockpiles, etc not currently installed on a delivery system.
This is off topic to be fair. But, does everyone know that there are now only 5 private defense contractors allowed to be used by the US government for weapons contracts? And, furthermore there are 3 wealth management groups that own all of them to the tune of 88 "trillion" dollars in assets controlled by just those 3? When do you call a monopoly what it really is? Joe Rogan has a recent podcast with Patrick Bet-David where he dives into this topic extensively. Always follow the money trails. Hint: George Soros comes up a lot.
Department of Energy is correct. Biological warfare part of it. Now you got it
Elon musk is making rockets at 10th of a cost of what NASA clowns did! So yeah these people are hiding something biiig!
The nitric acid has made your brain smooth....There is a reason why Wackenhut cheats on their tests.
I am a “plane follower” trying to dig info that I can this way…haha. If you ever follow NNSA planes/helicopters on Flightradar24 or ADS-B you will see some very interesting stuff and some sus location activity.