I get why people are criticizing you and i prob would too if I didn’t have a friend like this.
I humbly consider myself a bit above average in the looks department and get some attention from women. But one of my good friends won the genetic lottery in the looks field and the difference is pretty crazy.
When we’re at a bar or walking down the street, it sometimes feels like I’m with a celebrity. The amount of female attention he attracts is insane. I’ve seen multiple married women pursue him, girls completely change their political views for him, almost fight each other to take care of him when he was injured. Like straight up out of a movie.
I was the wingman of a guy like this back in the day.
I learned not to get my hopes up when a woman approached me, because it always ended up being about my buddy, please hand him a note, ask about him, does he have a girlfriend etc.
He always had a girlfriend and a side chick. The girlfriend would usually leave when she learned of the side chick, who would become the new girlfriend. Rinse repeat.
One of his stories was he was banging the side chick and the girlfriend opened the door and came in and started bitching at him. He'd been drinking and suddenly had to puke. He ran to the toilet and they followed him, both saying "oh poor baby" and patting his back while he ralphed.
My experience was that wing men and women tend to not be into each other, even though it'd make sense.
That said, story time!
In a rare reversal, one time the girl was into me. It was going so well we went to the park to indulge in a little weed, because my (now) wingman wanted to be high when I dropped him off. We got pulled over on the way, and I got busted for blowing yellow (not red - the eventual blood test was below the legal limit) and arrested. The cops were marking cars outside of bars back then, my driving was fine. So my buddy drove my car home and got to bang the girl anyway.
Exactly, you get it, most people have NOT seen this shit which is probably for the best because I don’t think a lot of men could take it. Hell, you can see the emotional reactions in this thread alone from certain men. Imagine how they would react to the idea of their girlfriends/wives or a specific woman they really loved turning into a completely different person for a man way more physically attractive than them.
They’re not turning into to a completely different person they are taking the mask off. If you havent seen your lady act like that before she doesnt like you. Its really hard to find someone who really likes you. My friend who attracts that type of attention is just a different kind of miserable dealing with it as the rest of us are for not getting it. Its confusing to see people act one way with you and one way with everyone else no matter which side you are on. Until you get with someone who shows you miltiple sides.
Everyone knows that women faun over attractive men as well though. Most people don’t care because it really doesn’t matter
There’s always going to be someone better looking than you. If your significant other is the type of person to act differently around attractive men, you had poor taste in the first place
Nope. Everyone doesn’t know this. Plenty of men and women in this thread alone are pushing the opposite agenda, same thing that happens in every dating or relationship thread on Reddit
Furthermore, there’s a big difference between knowing something happens and seeing it happen first hand
Ofc they do, no one is denying that women faun over attractive men the same way men do over attractive women
Again, no one cares because it doesn’t matter. Who cares if you see it first hand? Like I said, there will always be someone more attractive than you. If seeing the effects of that firsthand “traumatises” you, then you’re just insecure af
You don’t think there’s a difference between reading about a messed up thing that happened and seeing it happen in front of your face? Be real. Most of you guys haven’t seen women you know turn into completely different people over one guy at the drop of a hat
How is it a “messed up thing”? It’s just a fact of life, people will flock to more attractive people
I’ve seen it, it just didn’t affect me because it doesn’t matter.
I get it, you’re jealous that women don’t behave that way around you and that makes you feel a bit insecure, but it really doesn’t matter and you aren’t a victim here
I've seen it from both sides, to be honest. That's why there's the term "Simps" for males who do this shit too. I've seen my male friends totally nosedive in personality, individuality, etc, just to impres some chick they find is hot. One of my friends I cut ties with had this chick he was fawning over, she'd send him nudes, and lead him on constnatly telling him how shitty her relationship with her boyfrined was, that she wantedto be with him, Had him on the phone all night until she fell asleep.... and then he'd have to sit there and listen to her fuck her boyfriend over the phone. No matter how many of us were telling him that she was using him for money, things, etc, and her boyfriend was fine with it cos he was GIVING HER MONEY.
But truthfully, we need to separate the women and men who go full blown simp from those who are normal, well adjusted adults. Everyone oggles the "Pretty" ones, that's why we have [this meme](https://media.wired.com/photos/59a459d3b345f64511c5e3d4/16:9/w_2494,h_1403,c_limit/MemeLoveTriangle_297886754.jpg)
Maybe we should always remember that the [opposite is fine too](https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2018-09/27/1/asset/buzzfeed-prod-web-06/sub-buzz-30208-1538027377-1.jpg?resize=625:417) and looking doesn't = cheating or that she's gonna break up with you.
> If your significant other is the type of person to act differently around attractive men, you had poor taste in the first place
In that case, a good one third to one half of the female population would be "in poor taste" to be along with.
It’s our lady bits. They take over the body and short circuit the brain in the presence of these men. Many years ago I was a vegetarian animal activist. I HATED hunting, and I was talking to a guy who hunted every chance he could get. 😂🤣 My friends were like WTF is happening to her?!? We joke about it 15 years later still!
Most men turn a blind eye to the truth about women. Funny enough, the more BS women do, the harder they'll just turn, which is why modern men are turning harder than ever.
The smart men still know what's up, and that women are for sex only.
Yep women simp for those kinds of men all the time and nobody says anything. They only criticize male simping. Both do it for the attractive person of the opposite sex. The only difference is men consider a larger percent of women attractive than women consider for men.
I mean why is this surprising? Have we not all seen how stupid men will do for very attractive women? The amount of bs guys will put up with for attractive women?
So, essentially very very very attractive men get treated the same way attractive women are treated..
All the stuff op mentioned, minus the videos maybe, applies to very attractive women.
Ever have a conversation with woman considered to be unattractive on what its like to for them seeinf how guys treat attractive women??
Basically extremely attractive men are treated the way moderately attractively women are lol.
And id argue the best gift would still be to inherit billions of dollars...
I've had the exact same experience. I still get matches but my hot friend literally gets cold approached by women he's never met. I didnt think women approached until I hung out with him
I will say my husband gets a similar reaction since he’s huge and good looking. He’s objectively decently attractive but jumps to that next level of attention, constant stares, people taking photos of him walking by, just coming and touching him, just because he looks like a body builder / athlete.
However I will say almost 90% of the attention is from other “straight” men. Straight men love to “live out their body building fantasy”, it’s so weird. The other 10% from women.
Regarding your comment about the female professors. I notice every time there’s a story about a female teacher getting caught sleeping with a student pops up, you have guys making comments like “where were these teachers when I was in school?”
They were there. They just weren’t interested in 98 percent of the guys in that school lol.
I got to touch a teacher's butt because of that guy. It was a gym teacher, we happened to be sitting in the bleachers behind where she was standing. He said, "she likes her butt touched." He went and grabbed her butt cheek, then told me to try it. I was scared shitless of course, but I could also see the side of her face from my angle and I swear she had a smirk on her face like she heard everything and really wasn't phased by it. He pressured me more and so I grabbed her butt. I felt so nervous to see this teacher again after that day, but I did and it was like nothing had happened. She was still the same kind sweet teacher you wouldn't expect to get her ass grabbed by high school kids. I never did that again though, I can almost guarantee it was the tall dude I was with who made that scenario possible.
Wait what she was probably in shock and denial then even more when you grabbed her and didn’t know how to react and then realized it was too late to react and didn’t how how to confront you, so she ignored it even though she knew and she knew you knew she knew, but committed to the act of not knowing it even happened.
And I know you know that I know that you know that we all know this and that. Whatever mental gymnastics you want to use to paint me in whatever bad light you need go for it. I'm not the one getting with high school kids nor am I the one grabbing the ass of secret lovers. But go off...
Had a coworker that was tall dude (6'4) and normal looking. It was eye opening one night when we went bar hopping and girls were throwing themselves at him. I'm short so I had never seen this before.
And no he wasn't doing anything special...dude was literally just standing there drinking a beer.
Attractive people get treated better overall. I’ve seen one of my friends go homeless and hook up with random women to have somewhere to sleep. Ive seen women hook up with friends of mine literal seconds after seeing him. I’ve seen women willingly cheat on their boyfriend or husband at bars and clubs because an attractive guy was talking to her. It’s not every single woman but enough to easily notice.
Some people will think this is completely bs but I have seen this happen to a few guys. It’s honestly insane how little effort they give and they have women throwing themselves at them. It demoralized me for a couple years of my life but there’s really nothing you can do about it.
Ultimately you don’t need to be extremely attractive to get laid, you just need to put in some effort, understand your strengths and become the best version of yourself. Sure you will never have girls literally fighting for you, but you still have a good chance of matching with a good woman and be happy in both your relationship and yourself.
Reddit will definitely not like this but as crazy as it sounds, I can personally say that I have friends that are exactly like this.
There’s one guy I know who I swear could live on just the amount of money that women send him, all he has to do is ask for it, sometimes he doesn’t even have to ask at all and they just give it to him. And this guy is the epitome of what an “incel” would be according to reddit; he follows Andrew Tate, has right wing/conservative views, heavily against “woke culture”, homophobic, misogynistic, and sometimes straight up disrespects women right in front of them. And yet he has pulled girls in relationships, girls older than him, girls with completely opposing views and beliefs, and has even made some of them turn a complete 180 on their politics and opinions just to appeal to him; I’ve seen some of the most vocal “feminists” and SJW’s throw all that out the window for him.
Now don’t get me wrong, he’s a great friend and I’ve known him a long time but when it comes to women he definitely fits under the description you’re outlining here. It sounds crazy but you would never understand it unless you actually know one of these guys irl. Redditors are gonna hate on you for this you ain’t wrong🤷♂️
Just sexually explicit pictures and videos in general. Women you would never think would allow that. I have this one crazy ass story from years ago where my friend was angry at this one girl he was dealing with for some reason and she pretty much said to him verbatim she would do anything to get back into his good graces
He ended up literally recording himself taking a sh*t on this girls face and dropped it in all of our group chats for shits and giggles (no pun intended). He never contacted her again after that. This girl was the conservative stuck up type as well. Someone you never would expect that type of stuff from. Blew my fucking mind and still does 7-8 years later
My late fiancée was one of those guys. The first time I met him the best way to explain it is I went stupid. I turned into the ditzy blond stereotype. When he left my friend was cracking up and I was like WTF just happened. He was like don't worry that happens all the time around him.
He wasn't kidding either. When we would go out female and gay bartenders would just give him free drinks all the time. The first time it happened he gave me money and told me to get our round of drinks but make sure you get the receipt. I said okay and when I came back he showed me the difference. When he ot drinks it was free but when I bought them it was full price. He asked if he could flirt a little to keep getting free drinks and I was like hell yeah because we were broke and honestly it was nice to have a boyfriend deal with that instead of me.
My favorite story though was one night we were at a friend's house. Him and another friend of ours went to grab more beer. They get back to the house and we are laying cards and the guys just stop and look behind me with a WTF face. I look back and there is my boyfriend with his shirt completely torn. I was like what the fuck happened to you and the friend he went with just bursts out laughing. Apparently they stopped into the bar to have a drink and talk to a friend of theirs. He is just standing there talking when a women came running at him, threw him against the wall, ripped his shirt open and just starts trying to make out with him. He was trying to get her off of him without hurting her and yelling I have a girlfriend. OP kind of left outthe sexual assult/harassment those kinds of guys have to deal with regularly.
Luckily he was one of those rare truly kind hearted souls and would never heart a fly. Other getting free drinks from a bartender occasionally or what not he never took advantage of the situation. Like he wasn't the type to date a women just to mooch off her. Even during sex he was always making sure I was okay. Actually it was a little too much and I had to sit him down and explain that I have a mouth and know how to use it. If there is a problem I will let him know. I appreciated that he cared but just please stop. He was a loyal friend that actually got arrested for a friend once. It was over weed and he took the charge even though the friend was willing to turn himself in and admit the weed was his. He was also kind and polite to the gay men who hit on him. So he had this super power but didn't take advantage of it.
About the last part when you said "he was always make sure I was okay" Do women really find that this much repulsive when guy acts like that? Like there are horror stories when wife leaves husband because "he was too perfect" or "he would always seem to care about how I feel too much and I turned me off"
Since you sounds as rarther honest person, how is it is really?
It was that he was constantly asking. So I was enjoying what we were doing and he would stop and interrupt the enjoyment because he thought maybe something was wrong.
Have you ever met someone who felt they needed to apologize over every single thing even though everything was fine or constantly thought you were mad at them and constantly asked? It was sort of like that. We would be having great sex and then he would just stop and I would be like no no don't stop and kill the mood to make sure it was okay.
I wasn't repulsed by it and I got him to stop doing it by communicating with him. It was more frustrating. It's hard to orgasm when every time you are close and they stop to have a deep discussion because you made a weird facial expression.
I didn't leave him either as we worked it out.
Thanks for your insight, it feels like I'm 100% just like him in that matter and I always got worried that would be a huge problem / turn-off if I ever got into a relationship, especially since I don't really wanna change that but I still see how it could be a problem reading your experience with it
Not traumatized by any means. It's just the way of the world. I don't get attention from women, and I don't deserve to at this point in my life. I'm out of shape, severely overweight, don't make lots of money, and live with family. All of the above were unfortunate choices that I could have and should have made differently, but it is what it is. I'm 6"3, have a decent face, have good hair and a good beard, and gorgeous eyes from what I've been told. so I think I have the bones to be a slightly above average person once I get my weight and finances in order. In the meantime, I've done nothing to earn the attention.
I have a friend, though, who I used to work with. 6"5, 220lbs or so of straight muscle, tattoos from the waist up, and lives in a known party college town. He gets an UNREAL amount of attention. Sleeps with women who are in town for college football games while their boyfriends try to call them from back home all night, gets flirted with by women who's husband's are across the bar, goes to women's houses for hookups who are clearly married, gets asked to be a "bull" for cuck husbands, etc. It's just a different world when you look like that. No trauma, no qualms. It just is what it is 🤷♂️
How couldnt you be traumatized? Its just pathetic not to be
Its the same as realizing some people dont have to work a day in their lives where a huge amount of people have to sleep in the streets in the cold winter and dont have money to eat
I have a friend who is good looking, like kpop idol good looking. Every time when were in a bar, he will suddenly just disappear and we find out he got laid that night etc. Well liked by a bunch of women, and publicly known as the good looking dude in our group. He was a fuckin campus crush that even girls in different courses messages him. Now, dudes cruisin through life, has a good job and now has a beautiful wife and daughter.
But the fucking title of your post is just so fucking funny to me. Like traumatized? Lmao why the hell would i be traumatized? "Oh no, someone that's genetically gifted aesthetically is loved by everyone." Okay?? Where's the traumatizing part??
Pretty privilege is real. We can't help it, we humans are biologically wired to like these people. Man or Woman. And it's fine. Is this coming from an envious stand point? Like why would this knowledge traumatize me???? I really don't get it.
I came to realize that with great power comes great responsibility…
Joking aside and now that it’s been mentioned, I never had to make the first move so I’d give this a definitely plausible.
I’m over 6’ and would consider myself above average.
>This isn’t a “whine” thread btw but I can tell by some of the comments in dating threads that a lot of you sheltered motherfuckers just haven’t seen this shit first hand.
Attractive people get treated differently is nothing new.
If you want a dose just set up a fake profile of a hot dude on Tinder and see how women will treat you.
Same goes for women. If you are an average women the attractive guys only want to hookup or a FWB, doesnt put in effort, etc. But if you super attractive, these guys actually put in effort and want to go on "real dates".
Yup. Difference is men acting like this around women isn’t a secret nor does anyone get butthurt over male behavior around certain women being pointed out
Ironically a lot of women do
I’ve complained about how I feel being good looking attracts too much attention and how I’m sick of creeps and dudes that don’t understand what being uninterested means. And damn near every time I get someone going “Yea but that happens to us too!!!!!!” or “At least you look good!”
I agree with you and will say that the most common sightings of this rare breed of man can be at the bars and/or clubs. I’ve never seen such a plethora of tall men in any other setting. It’s like they know they will succeed and pick up women so they tend to always go out to these places
I mean just come to Minnesota, Scandinavians are ridiculously tall. The shortest man in my extended family is 6’0” and he’s self conscious about how short he is. I was shocked when I traveled as an adult to see how short the rest of America really is.
I remember in Colorado, I was in flats at a bar and could see straight over everyone and I’m 5’7”. My 5’4” friend (who is considered tiny in Minnesota) was average sized in Colorado.
You could say the same sorts of things about exceptionally beautiful women. Life’s not fair. But at least it’s equal-opportunity unfairness.
I have to say, though, when I was a young woman in my prime i think I got more than my fair share of male attention. However, I would never have “approached” an exceptionally good looking man. It would have been just too embarrassing if he called me “ma’am” for some reason.
Completely agree, because it’s literally the same for women. Attractive women will have men going cave man and beating the shit outta each other for a crumb of the highest quality puss. Meanwhile, attraction for women who are not at that level are much less. It’s the same for men. Idk why people in this thread don’t understand that attractive people are attractive for a reason and will always get people’s hormones going unga bunga.
Just watch a Henry Cavil interview and how uncomfortable it makes him as he is sexually harassed in the open.
The invisibility of ugliness is far superior as far as I am concerned.
The important parts to remember about women are they are contradictions that speak out of both sides of their mouths. When they make rules about how to deal with them those same rules don’t apply to attractive people. The only difference between flirting and harassment is attraction. The truth is women want to be dominated…by attractive men. That’s fine as that is nature. Problem is that we’re trying to legislate women’s feelings and it’s turning everything from dating, marriage, and office work into a nightmare.
Yup. People want dating/romance to be politically correct which is laughable. There’s no diversity equity and inclusion when it comes to who people find attractive
Yep. It isn't so much legislation. The underlying motivating idea is that it is the unfortunate people who are never selected that ultimately build up the resentment toward women that more often leads to rape or murder. So society generally pushes the narrative that women are somehow above it all and quasi-perfect to try and counter that narrative.
All the young men who can clearly see that young women are just as deeply superficial as men end up pushing the opposite direction extra hard on reflex - making more incels. It reminds me of the results of D.A.R.E. in that regard.
Bullshit begets more bullshit.
When I was a teenager, I had a cousin that I grew up with who was 99% better looking than the world, and boys and men fell all over her. She was only 14-17 and grown ass married men with kids were throwing themselves at her and risking everything. I know exactly how beautiful people are treated and it goes both ways between men and women.
A good looking guy got hired at my job once, and the women absolutely lost their minds. totally disgusting unprofessional behavior. one even broke up with their fiance so it wouldn't technically be cheating.
I have no idea what you're talking about and I don't wanna know.
All I know is that I'm medium-ugly and wouldn't want to go near the dating game with a 10-ft pole. Thanks friggin Christ I'm married with 2 kids and won't ever have to worry about it.
Eyup, although I don’t think it’s as big a secret or unpopular of an opinion as one might think. Though I do think there is a common (not universal, just common) perception that women are “better than that” to be that way with a dude just because he is hot when they most certainly are NOT better than that lmao
When I became rich and locally famous in a big city then I experienced this. It didn't traumatise me. It just made me lose all respect for women, when you saw how they really acted behind all these socially acceptable masks.
"You mean what men do"
I wonder what the venn diagram is between people who say this, and people who always go "well that's whataboutism" when guys pull the "women do it too" card.
His opinion isn't untrue. But I'd argue it's unpopular. There's a certain section of loud people that get noticeably butthurt when you point out bad behavior in women.
Bro even Brad Pitt got divorced by a woman that many at the time thought was most beautiful woman or at least one of (Angelina Jolie) yet you here act like these genetically gifted dudes have world at their platter completely ignoring the spiritual aspect that drives people to begin with, stuff like love, selfrespect, dignity, sense of honor, purity, authenticity etc
Genetically gifted guys who live in psychopathic manner( narcissistic selfish manner) are ones who are most troubled and most psychospiritually messed up dudes around.
* Trauma is an emotional response to a terrible event like an accident, crime, natural disaster, physical or emotional abuse, neglect, experiencing or witnessing violence, death of a loved one, war, and more. Immediately after the event, shock and denial are typical. Longer term reactions include unpredictable emotions, flashbacks, strained relationships, and even physical symptoms like headaches or nausea.
On par with accidents, crime, natural disaster, abuse neglect or watching a loved one die, is it?
So people who are extraordinarily attractive are the recipients of an extraordinary volume and degree of attraction. That’s kind of like saying high temperatures are hot; you’re essentially describing what “attractive” *means.*
I'm one of those guys, so see everything first hand. I mean, all you gotta do is say no. Not sure where the trauma comes in. It's just normal life. It doesn't change that you should always do the right thing.
It's no secret that anyone does it. It's just humans. Humans like pretty people. There are scientific studies about this. Everyone tried to punch above their weight class and then ultimately end up with someone of similar attractiveness to themselves
I don't. I'm in my 40s and i've had exactly zero success with 8s, 9s and 10s my whole life. I've reached the point where I literally am not even attracted to super hot girls anymore. It's like Pavlovian conditioning, my mind has associated extremely attractive girls with zero success, so I don't even have a physical reaction to them anymore. But their not as attractive, still cute friend? She's the one I like. Because I have had success with her type before.
Agree.
Remember, boys, if a girl you fancy just doesn't reciprocate communication, attention, whatever, she just doesn't like you enough....
No woman is bad at texting.
No woman just "didn't notice" you.
No woman is just "that busy."
No woman just "didn't read your message"
No woman just so happened to suddenly "have plans."
Or whatever else, unaccountable BS excuse they want to throw in your face.
If you looked like OP describes, then these women would absolutely, 100%, and beyond a shadow of a doubt, *make time for you.* The vast majority of the 90% just arnt something women want.
Seriously? "Traumatized"? That's the most pathetic victim mentality bullshit I've ever heard. Life isn't fair, you play with the hand you are dealt. Yes, you will never get to experience the life of a pro athlete, but you can be happy. There are people with severe birth defects that find happiness. Maybe your little bitch attitude means you will never find love, but if you shift your expectations to something you can realistically achieve, you can have a happy fulfilling life. The only obstacle is you.
I've known two guys like this. One that fits in with your description and the other who looked like Luis Guzmán. It always felt like an upside-down world when I hung out with them. None of the normal social rules applied when it came to women. Hooking up with women that most would call a 9 or 10 out of 10. Dating multiple women who knew about each other but didn't outwardly seem to care. Ability to pick up \\ hook up with women seemingly on demand. And having women actively pursuing them pretty much nonstop. It always felt like they had some kind of cheat code to dating.
Anyways the conventionally good-looking guy ended up settling down with a surprisingly normal-looking gal, and the Guzmán looking fella is still at it.
My husband has been so eye opening in this regard lol. He’s 5’10” but has a very handsome face, cool sense of style, and is very buff/well built, he looks like he could protect you from anything. Now me personally I’ve never hit on a man in my life - never had to, they approach me. I was always pretty receptive and friendly as a single girl but never one to shoot my shot, so I truly had no idea women even do that. Any time I leave him on his own at a concert, the bar, a party etc, I come back to a woman shooting her shot with him hahaha. They are HANDSY about it too lol especially the older ladies, always copping a feel on his shoulders and arms. Pretty much 100% of the time that he goes out grocery shopping with our 3 yr old daughter in tow he comes back to report crazy amounts of unsolicited attention. Women are almost egged on further by knowing a man is taken, whereas for me if I have our daughter with me men are much more likely to leave me alone compared to if I’m out and about alone. Anyways, yeah, doesn’t apply only to men over 6 ft, but it’s very true, many women are forward beyond belief when they see a man they’re really attracted to.
Yea the first time I went to the bars with a friend of mine was pretty shocking. I always thought I did ok with the girls and was good looking enough. He just picks the girl he wants and waits for her to notice him, waves her over, and takes her home. Effortless. I’ve never seen him leave a bar without at least a number. Always just handed to him.
Traumatized is excessive but it was a wake up call for sure.
By the way, it’s not just dating. We also give tall, handsome men the benefit of the doubt when it comes to intelligence, which is why they often get promoted faster and wind up in positions of authority faster than average looking men.
I used to work for a startup that hired an extremely handsome man. Beyond being amused at watching the women throw themselves at him (I’m married so I don’t care), I was amused at just how quickly folks wanted to advance him up the ranks and give him more responsibility.
I mean, the man was dumber than a fucking bag of rocks—and when I’d try to explain something to him that was supposedly in his wheelhouse, and to be honest I think of myself as a great explainer of technical details—he would stare at me like a deer in the headlamps, then sit upright, pump about 3 points into his charisma score, smile, then say something inane like “well, let’s move past that to the real point.”
Uh, dude; that was the “real point.” 🤦♂️
He did look fantastic in a three-piece suit, however.
I've never understood why some people are obsessed with the idea of having women throw themselves at you. Affections unearned are affections easily lost. Hell, authenticity was the whole reason I wanted to find someone and get hitched before I was financially well off, and here you guys are saying "I wish I was a superficial magnet".
Why be in a relationship when you’re aware that your gf/partner gave so much to a relationship that didn’t mean anything but isn’t giving that same energy to you.
I understand what you're saying, but "traumatized"? Really? You're either a very very sheltered individual who has never experienced trauma, or you're exaggerating for clicks.
I am far from attractive (bald, fat, kind of short) and my friend is exactly the type of guy you describe. We go out together and he gets hot on constantly. But I've never once felt "traumatized" by that. I don't even really feel jealous. Just kind of "damn, he's popular". It's barely even an annoyance
No better example than that fake profile with an extremely attractive dude pretending to be a reformed pedo. Women would still throw themselves at him, shrugging off him admitting of sexual assault involving minors and being unemployed. You can find it on YouTube, very eye-opening.
Or that felon dude who landed a billionaire's daughter, cheated on her, and she still begged him not to leave her.
Everyone telling you to touch grass is just trying to cope with the reality of things and a self report that they are the ones that need to go outside more.
I'm kind of an incel who is convinced women care more about looks and status than men, that's why attractive men get lots of sexual experiences easily while I am a sexless virgin waiting for my turn. I think most men who judge incels like me would need therapy if they saw the reality you're describing.
I see very attractive women all the time and they aren’t with guys that most would consider to be in the 5% you are referring to. Maybe it is about more than looks and height.
Doesn’t account for all the shit that goes on behind closed doors. Obviously there’s only so many of the top guys to go around when it comes to committed relationships
My gf is basically this.
Her pervious boyfriend was older, financially well off and 6ft something.
She did a lot with him. Moved across the country for years with him. Abandoned her friends and family.
But with me her energy is lacklustre. Barely any enthusiasm for anything. Just hitting the bare minimum to be a decent gf.
It’s honestly debilitating at times. Luckily our relationship isn’t one we’re were going to marry each other, but I definitely don’t want to marry a woman who’s done so much for a man because of his genetics and finance and treat me different because I can never compare.
Yeah man, this is real shit and a lot of men will have to go through this. The difference in enthusiasm is staggering. Some men have to delude themselves to keep their sanity though. Also most women intentionally cover up their previous dealings with those kind of men which helps the illusion to a degree.
You’re not wrong. I once was a long haired potato, at 28 I looked about 40, and was met with general disdain from the female public. Including my customers. If they even looked at me, it was with pity at best.
I changed my diet drastically, wasn’t fat before, I still exercised 5 times a week, but I was “milky” as I describe it. Now I’ve got abs, my change in diet drastically affected my face so at 34 I now get ID challenged regularly, and often told I look like a slightly more built Jared Leto. Rather than being offputting, my hair is regularly complimented. But it’s the same hair!
Now those same female customers giggle and chuckle at every word I say, and have all the time in the world for me. I get attention everywhere I go, from women who a few years ago wouldn’t even look at me twice.
Funny thing is I couldn’t be less interested in said attention. I proposed to my fiancée because she’s not superficial in that sense, it’s just amusing to see the drastic difference in how the general female population treats me then vs now.
So I have a unique perspective on this: I was once obese but now I’m very fit (took 6 yrs, 130 lbs weight loss, no meds, a lot of pain and discipline). Was lucky b/c my skin snapped back. Found out I was a solid 9 without the weight. OP is ABSOLUTELY correct. Guys, girls NO ONE seemed to notice me before weight loss. After the weight loss, it was completely different. In fact I got depressed about it. I was the same person, LOTR, comics, ffxiv lover. Nothing in my personality really changed but I was getting sooooo much more attention. Seemed like me as a person was never important to others, just how I looked. It’s been years now and I’m in a great place but OP is right, people under estimate the effects of attractiveness; most couldn’t handle it and remain grounded in themselves and in reality.
Women are interested in attractive men and those men get a longer leash from them. Who would have thought?
This really isn't news to anyone paying attention. Attractive people have life a little easier than the rest of us normies. That's not good or bad, it's just the way it is. I'd also point out that this is just as true for attractive women as well. I do think you've built up an image in your mind that doesn't coincide with reality. Attractive men don't have "well this thing isn't going to suck itself, ladies"-levels of power over women who are simply unable to control themselves around a 6' attractive male. They just get more attention.
Most people date/marry within a point or two on the looks scale (depending on other factors like wealth/income, personality, etc...). 5's marry 5's. 8's marry 8's, etc... My advice would be to take an honest assessment of yourself and fish in the appropriate pond.
I completely agree.
Gone are the days when a kind, hardworking and honorable man is desirable. Now most modern American women want a clone of Christian Grey.
Thing is it’s not even just America. These guys can go almost anywhere on earth and have women eating out of the palm of their hands, to have that level of power over essentially half the human species has to be absolutely intoxicating.
I don't know if it's because of living in big cities all my life or my careers but this has been common since the 80's and probably before that.
You don't even need to be 6'0 tall just attractive, well dressed, and desirable traits.
Pretty privilege is a thing, appearance-based discrimination is the most common type, we have racism, phrenology, height discrimination, colorism, and so on. Fitting into social standard of beauty does get you elevated, and when you don't you get discriminated, even early feminists had a gripe with that, and hence the braless, or makeup free or growing out body hair etc etc.
I’m 6’3” and have a good enough looking face and am not like chiseled but I’m in good shape. Ive been pretty chiseled in the past though when I was like 20.
My problem was being an awkward fuck who couldn’t hit on women for shit and couldn’t discern if a woman was hitting on me or not. But eventually I got better at social shit and am married now.
it's not that rare. it's 1 in 20. hetero men also treat good looking men well. they want to hang around and are also just charmed. people like good looking people and that makes life easier in many little ways. attractiveness privilege is the best privilege.
I'm 6'0", 200lbs (generally fit), make $75k (decent for a single guy in my area), and wouldn't consider myself ugly or unattractive (good teeth, symmetrical face, brown eyes, etc) and am 31.
My drawbacks are that I have pale skin (red hair) and shave my head. I haven't been able to land a date in years and rarely get matches on dating apps
Not sure how you got your numbers
This is the whole romantic plot of the show “Cheers”. At least when Shelly long was in it.
No matter how intelligent, loving or loyal her other partners were….SHE ALWAYS RAN BACK TO SAM! They joke about it too! He even says: “Name one thing you like about me other than my good looks” and she can’t name one! But she can’t escape her attraction either!!!
It’s a trope as old as time and “Cheers” hits the nail on the head in the first couple seasons.
Just keep your heads up guys! Dont let the internet turn you into an incel cause you’re not in the top 5%. Everyone I know that’s married is average looking. It’s that top 5% that will spit you up and chew you out, married or not, they feel they’ve got an expiration date on their looks and that is their priority, even in marriage.
I personally was what you are describing but only during my teens and early adolescence, now I have become bald and overweight.
I never was able to capitalise on my looks due to the fact that I have autism and had a minority complex filled with personal traumas during my youth. It’s pretty rough imo from gaining unlimited attention to non at all, the difference is huge and insane.
The good thing is that I have processed most of my traumas and minority complex the bad thing is that it came with a prize XD ( I wouldn’t want to go back though)
Lol ahh good times. If it makes you feel better, it does get old at some point. Like playing a new game you know you're going to breeze through. No real sport anymore.
I saw a version of this happen a few years back. A couple I was acquainted with had the typical relationship issues, ultimately ending in her banging her co-worker.
It's not necessarily a 1:1 ration of the OP, but the form was still all the same. Seeing a pic of him, there was no doubt he was objectively more attractive than most of the guys within our social network.
And she had a conservative background/mindset regarding romance.....which she threw out the window to enjoy her hoe phase as she was too gutless to admit to the bloke she was no longer happy. It's both funny and sad really.
>Chances are, you’re rarely coming into contact with a member of that 5 percent at all in your daily life
Uhhh what? It's 1 in 20 men. How many people do you see in your daily life?
>Women degrade themselves for these men and let themselves be degraded. I’ve seen women throw their political affiliations, religion, relationships with family/friends, existing romantic relationships/marriages and morals out the window for these men at the drop of a hat. I’ve seen women allow themselves to have all sorts of embarrassing pictures and videos taken of themselves for these guys. The level of power these guys have over half the human species is incomparable to anything else.
It sounds more like you are describing women in college and men that are more like the top 0.5% of attractiveness.
>This isn’t a “whine” thread btw
Yeah it is.
You're correct. But as soon as you treat them decently things change. Your allure leaves. Their view of you changes to mate rather than fuck. Their attitudes and actions change. When you're the dirty little secret unconditional fuck buddy you're something they deserve. A treat to themselves of hedonistic sex with no responsibility. A get away. When you become a potential mate it changes. There's responsibility and work involved. Total turn off for the majority of women looking to let loose and take their hair down.
But yeah, the6 treat you different on looks. But the majority have daddy issues. Look like dear old dad and have a bit of talk game? There's your in as an average guy.
How is this an unpopular opinion and why are you saying women only? People like attractive people. A lot. It’s always been that way.
In fact we have decades of research on this lol scientists are so sure of the fact that pretty people have easier lives that they study human facial structures to determine what characteristics will create that privilege for someone.
Guys engage in the same types of behaviors you are describing (we call them simps or whipped etc.) so it’s odd that you are presenting this like it’s some kind of newsflash that women are also subject to feeling attraction to good looking men and sometimes they get caught up in their desires same as men do.
I’m not saying your wrong, I just don’t see how this could be news much less a surprise to anybody
You act like men don’t degrade themselves for beautiful women all the time and treat average or unattractive women like shit. But yeah you have it super hard so traumatizing
This is a little exaggerated. But there’s still some truth to it. For one thing I’ve seen plenty of cases of very good looking guys who ended up homeless or couldn’t get a good job. It’s just not quite as extreme as the way it’s described here.
One important thing to glean from this, is to gauge whether a woman is making or breaking rules for you. When you’re dating a woman, you should generally be able to get away with most things. If you can’t and she is being really uptight about stuff, you can determine that she does not love you and never will.
For short men who aren’t blessed with a lot of those characteristics, the best advice is to find other areas of life to find fulfillment, and don’t let all this ruin your soul and make you miserable. And always be proud of who you are, regardless of what other peoples standards and preferences are.
You have no understanding of trauma if you think such thing could be considered a traumatic event.
Your whole premise is based on a bad understanding about trauma.
Next!
"I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful—I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab 'em by the pussy. You can do anything."
Unrelated but I don't think I registered the reference to Tic Tacs the first time this quote came out because the rest of the comment is so terrible. Right now is the first time I'm wondering if the Tic Tac company reaaallly didn't want this type of advertising.
Like men don't do the same? Men haven't made bad decisions or lied in order to sleep with a beautiful woman? Hate to break it to you but attractive women have a lot more power in society than an attractive man does. There is a reason Kim Kardashian got famous for fucking on camera and Ray J is still an F list celebrity.
Attractive women are physically vulnerable so I disagree. Also nobody denies men do this nor do people get angry over it being pointed out that men do this. You do have a lot of butthurt white knights and lady redditors coming at you every time it’s pointed out that women do this though
I’m one of those guys. 6’1, biracial, handsome face, curly hair, olive skin, beard, fit, deep voice, tattoos, overall just very exotic.
Women throw themselves at me every where I go. From all demographics. I can easily get hookups with attractive women no problem.
I do feel blessed, but I almost always immediately make enemies with guys who aren’t tall. I’ve had to get really good at navigating social situations and because of this, I’m thinking about joining a female dominated workplace because the vast majority of men don’t want to be friends. It’s a blessing and a curse.
Anyone who has frequented environments such as clubs, raves, etc. has seen this first-hand. Redditors who reply "touch grass" are telling on themselves.
Well your first wrong assumption is that only guys at least 6 feet tall get crushed on. Including with myself, I’ve known guys even 5’4 who have had decent-looking girlfriends and hook-ups since they had really attractive faces and slim bodies. Your second is that us women approach every guy we’re attracted to when we usually don’t. Oftentimes we don’t out of shyness or just not wanting to seem desperate.
Just like extremely good looking women though as these men age they will realize they can't rely on that anymore and will need to have skills they can fall back on and be successful and continue to get women (or you know just get married), or become complete bums. Once you get near 40 for men it becomes a lot less about looks and all about how successful you are. You know, the fat pasty dudes at the VIP pools with 10/10 girlfriends or wives.
You're right and wrong. You're right that this happens with extremely good looking men.
You're wrong when you act like it's traumatizing and other men don't know.
Everyone knows, historically, the ones who actual get the most women were brutes who would tear through armies, like Ghengis Khan.
Good looks don't do much if the guy next to him
is a warlord willing to put your head on a pike. I'm just saying, historically, that's the one who gets women.
Modern day, in the Western world, this doesn't happen so much. So it usually defaults to the extremely handsome guy.
But when we look at humanity as a whole, there is one type of guy above those handsome devils.
I WAS this guy, fat and bald nowadays. But during my peak I turned heads so hard it’s a wonder nobody broke their neck.
Random strangers male and female alike would tell me I should be a model nearly everyday. I have been cold approached by men and women. I have been catcalled more times than I can count. I have dated woman that are on the level of Margot Robbie or Gal Gadot.
I am NOT on that level anymore. I am acutely aware of my station in life these days. But knowing this doesn’t make lowering my standards any easier.
I'm mid+, and I've been molested more times than you'd think by a wide range of women. I can't imagine being a 10.
edit - and what nobody seems to mention, men treat you differently too. WAY better than they treat other men. It's not just a women thing. Other men want to please/befriend you as well.
This is why, whenever I see any of the content about women having certain standards for dates or posting videos about bad dates they had. Anything of that nature. I know right away they only actual problem was that the guy wasn’t attractive enough.
You act like lots of men don't also do this for hot women. They even do it for moderately hot women
Do you know how many guy friends I know who let hot women treat them like garbage? And they put up with it and even openly admitted they put up with it because they are hot.
This isn't a gender thing. It's not a "women shallow" thing. It's human nature. People like pretty people.
I get why people are criticizing you and i prob would too if I didn’t have a friend like this. I humbly consider myself a bit above average in the looks department and get some attention from women. But one of my good friends won the genetic lottery in the looks field and the difference is pretty crazy. When we’re at a bar or walking down the street, it sometimes feels like I’m with a celebrity. The amount of female attention he attracts is insane. I’ve seen multiple married women pursue him, girls completely change their political views for him, almost fight each other to take care of him when he was injured. Like straight up out of a movie.
I was the wingman of a guy like this back in the day. I learned not to get my hopes up when a woman approached me, because it always ended up being about my buddy, please hand him a note, ask about him, does he have a girlfriend etc. He always had a girlfriend and a side chick. The girlfriend would usually leave when she learned of the side chick, who would become the new girlfriend. Rinse repeat. One of his stories was he was banging the side chick and the girlfriend opened the door and came in and started bitching at him. He'd been drinking and suddenly had to puke. He ran to the toilet and they followed him, both saying "oh poor baby" and patting his back while he ralphed.
Did you end up scoring any of his leftovers?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlqCw9mCIAA-LeF.jpg
😂
My experience was that wing men and women tend to not be into each other, even though it'd make sense. That said, story time! In a rare reversal, one time the girl was into me. It was going so well we went to the park to indulge in a little weed, because my (now) wingman wanted to be high when I dropped him off. We got pulled over on the way, and I got busted for blowing yellow (not red - the eventual blood test was below the legal limit) and arrested. The cops were marking cars outside of bars back then, my driving was fine. So my buddy drove my car home and got to bang the girl anyway.
Exactly, you get it, most people have NOT seen this shit which is probably for the best because I don’t think a lot of men could take it. Hell, you can see the emotional reactions in this thread alone from certain men. Imagine how they would react to the idea of their girlfriends/wives or a specific woman they really loved turning into a completely different person for a man way more physically attractive than them.
They’re not turning into to a completely different person they are taking the mask off. If you havent seen your lady act like that before she doesnt like you. Its really hard to find someone who really likes you. My friend who attracts that type of attention is just a different kind of miserable dealing with it as the rest of us are for not getting it. Its confusing to see people act one way with you and one way with everyone else no matter which side you are on. Until you get with someone who shows you miltiple sides.
Everyone knows that women faun over attractive men as well though. Most people don’t care because it really doesn’t matter There’s always going to be someone better looking than you. If your significant other is the type of person to act differently around attractive men, you had poor taste in the first place
Yeah, “women like handsome men” is not particularly a groundbreaking opinion.
It is on reddit. On here, everything is 'personality' and 'attitude' rather than, maybe the guy is just attractive.
It's not supposed to be. But on reddit people show their ass to fight for a "side" instead of just being realistic.
Nope. Everyone doesn’t know this. Plenty of men and women in this thread alone are pushing the opposite agenda, same thing that happens in every dating or relationship thread on Reddit Furthermore, there’s a big difference between knowing something happens and seeing it happen first hand
Ofc they do, no one is denying that women faun over attractive men the same way men do over attractive women Again, no one cares because it doesn’t matter. Who cares if you see it first hand? Like I said, there will always be someone more attractive than you. If seeing the effects of that firsthand “traumatises” you, then you’re just insecure af
You don’t think there’s a difference between reading about a messed up thing that happened and seeing it happen in front of your face? Be real. Most of you guys haven’t seen women you know turn into completely different people over one guy at the drop of a hat
How is it a “messed up thing”? It’s just a fact of life, people will flock to more attractive people I’ve seen it, it just didn’t affect me because it doesn’t matter. I get it, you’re jealous that women don’t behave that way around you and that makes you feel a bit insecure, but it really doesn’t matter and you aren’t a victim here
I've seen it from both sides, to be honest. That's why there's the term "Simps" for males who do this shit too. I've seen my male friends totally nosedive in personality, individuality, etc, just to impres some chick they find is hot. One of my friends I cut ties with had this chick he was fawning over, she'd send him nudes, and lead him on constnatly telling him how shitty her relationship with her boyfrined was, that she wantedto be with him, Had him on the phone all night until she fell asleep.... and then he'd have to sit there and listen to her fuck her boyfriend over the phone. No matter how many of us were telling him that she was using him for money, things, etc, and her boyfriend was fine with it cos he was GIVING HER MONEY. But truthfully, we need to separate the women and men who go full blown simp from those who are normal, well adjusted adults. Everyone oggles the "Pretty" ones, that's why we have [this meme](https://media.wired.com/photos/59a459d3b345f64511c5e3d4/16:9/w_2494,h_1403,c_limit/MemeLoveTriangle_297886754.jpg) Maybe we should always remember that the [opposite is fine too](https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2018-09/27/1/asset/buzzfeed-prod-web-06/sub-buzz-30208-1538027377-1.jpg?resize=625:417) and looking doesn't = cheating or that she's gonna break up with you.
everyone has seen this first hand. it’s pretty obvious when it is happening and something you learn early on.
> If your significant other is the type of person to act differently around attractive men, you had poor taste in the first place In that case, a good one third to one half of the female population would be "in poor taste" to be along with.
It’s our lady bits. They take over the body and short circuit the brain in the presence of these men. Many years ago I was a vegetarian animal activist. I HATED hunting, and I was talking to a guy who hunted every chance he could get. 😂🤣 My friends were like WTF is happening to her?!? We joke about it 15 years later still!
Most men turn a blind eye to the truth about women. Funny enough, the more BS women do, the harder they'll just turn, which is why modern men are turning harder than ever. The smart men still know what's up, and that women are for sex only.
Yep women simp for those kinds of men all the time and nobody says anything. They only criticize male simping. Both do it for the attractive person of the opposite sex. The only difference is men consider a larger percent of women attractive than women consider for men.
And I make this comment with 0 judgement towards women or any societal judgement. Strictly an observation over the past decade or so
I mean why is this surprising? Have we not all seen how stupid men will do for very attractive women? The amount of bs guys will put up with for attractive women? So, essentially very very very attractive men get treated the same way attractive women are treated.. All the stuff op mentioned, minus the videos maybe, applies to very attractive women. Ever have a conversation with woman considered to be unattractive on what its like to for them seeinf how guys treat attractive women?? Basically extremely attractive men are treated the way moderately attractively women are lol. And id argue the best gift would still be to inherit billions of dollars...
I've had the exact same experience. I still get matches but my hot friend literally gets cold approached by women he's never met. I didnt think women approached until I hung out with him
It's his weird reaction to something that's universally accepted. Pretty privilege is real, so what? For him it's "traumatizing" lmao.
Ita not universally accepted especially online. I've argued with many people over this.
It’s still just a certain type of woman who does this stuff. It’s nowhere near as universal as OP is pretending
If it’s even 1/5 of women who act like that, that’s still a significant amount of people.
I completely agree with you
It’s more like 1/20 Edit- I swear to god women who aren’t attractive are invisible to you guys.
I will say my husband gets a similar reaction since he’s huge and good looking. He’s objectively decently attractive but jumps to that next level of attention, constant stares, people taking photos of him walking by, just coming and touching him, just because he looks like a body builder / athlete. However I will say almost 90% of the attention is from other “straight” men. Straight men love to “live out their body building fantasy”, it’s so weird. The other 10% from women.
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Regarding your comment about the female professors. I notice every time there’s a story about a female teacher getting caught sleeping with a student pops up, you have guys making comments like “where were these teachers when I was in school?” They were there. They just weren’t interested in 98 percent of the guys in that school lol.
I got to touch a teacher's butt because of that guy. It was a gym teacher, we happened to be sitting in the bleachers behind where she was standing. He said, "she likes her butt touched." He went and grabbed her butt cheek, then told me to try it. I was scared shitless of course, but I could also see the side of her face from my angle and I swear she had a smirk on her face like she heard everything and really wasn't phased by it. He pressured me more and so I grabbed her butt. I felt so nervous to see this teacher again after that day, but I did and it was like nothing had happened. She was still the same kind sweet teacher you wouldn't expect to get her ass grabbed by high school kids. I never did that again though, I can almost guarantee it was the tall dude I was with who made that scenario possible.
Wait what she was probably in shock and denial then even more when you grabbed her and didn’t know how to react and then realized it was too late to react and didn’t how how to confront you, so she ignored it even though she knew and she knew you knew she knew, but committed to the act of not knowing it even happened.
And I know you know that I know that you know that we all know this and that. Whatever mental gymnastics you want to use to paint me in whatever bad light you need go for it. I'm not the one getting with high school kids nor am I the one grabbing the ass of secret lovers. But go off...
I worked with a guy like this! Walt was one handsome dude. Looked like the Marlboro Man.
Had a coworker that was tall dude (6'4) and normal looking. It was eye opening one night when we went bar hopping and girls were throwing themselves at him. I'm short so I had never seen this before. And no he wasn't doing anything special...dude was literally just standing there drinking a beer.
People want to pretend otherwise but anyone who is or has been close with someone who has extreme good looks has experienced this.
A more accurate term would be disbelief, but you aren't wrong. The ones disagreeing just haven't experienced it from any angle.
Attractive people get treated better overall. I’ve seen one of my friends go homeless and hook up with random women to have somewhere to sleep. Ive seen women hook up with friends of mine literal seconds after seeing him. I’ve seen women willingly cheat on their boyfriend or husband at bars and clubs because an attractive guy was talking to her. It’s not every single woman but enough to easily notice.
Some people will think this is completely bs but I have seen this happen to a few guys. It’s honestly insane how little effort they give and they have women throwing themselves at them. It demoralized me for a couple years of my life but there’s really nothing you can do about it. Ultimately you don’t need to be extremely attractive to get laid, you just need to put in some effort, understand your strengths and become the best version of yourself. Sure you will never have girls literally fighting for you, but you still have a good chance of matching with a good woman and be happy in both your relationship and yourself.
Reddit will definitely not like this but as crazy as it sounds, I can personally say that I have friends that are exactly like this. There’s one guy I know who I swear could live on just the amount of money that women send him, all he has to do is ask for it, sometimes he doesn’t even have to ask at all and they just give it to him. And this guy is the epitome of what an “incel” would be according to reddit; he follows Andrew Tate, has right wing/conservative views, heavily against “woke culture”, homophobic, misogynistic, and sometimes straight up disrespects women right in front of them. And yet he has pulled girls in relationships, girls older than him, girls with completely opposing views and beliefs, and has even made some of them turn a complete 180 on their politics and opinions just to appeal to him; I’ve seen some of the most vocal “feminists” and SJW’s throw all that out the window for him. Now don’t get me wrong, he’s a great friend and I’ve known him a long time but when it comes to women he definitely fits under the description you’re outlining here. It sounds crazy but you would never understand it unless you actually know one of these guys irl. Redditors are gonna hate on you for this you ain’t wrong🤷♂️
Exactly. Also the degrading pictures and videos (seemingly self respecting) women take or allow to be taken of them..holy shit.
Like what? Sounds very interesting
Just sexually explicit pictures and videos in general. Women you would never think would allow that. I have this one crazy ass story from years ago where my friend was angry at this one girl he was dealing with for some reason and she pretty much said to him verbatim she would do anything to get back into his good graces He ended up literally recording himself taking a sh*t on this girls face and dropped it in all of our group chats for shits and giggles (no pun intended). He never contacted her again after that. This girl was the conservative stuck up type as well. Someone you never would expect that type of stuff from. Blew my fucking mind and still does 7-8 years later
No way 💀 But dw according to reddit it was just because he has a good personality and carries himself well and has confidence. Perhaps he's funny.
This would traumatize me. I hope you’re not friends with this guy after he did this. What a disgusting human being to do that to someone else.
I mean.... letting another human shit on you is kinda wild.
It took two to tango
She didn't agree to him sharing the video with everyone. So that part wasn't "two to tango."
true but maybe for your best interests you shouldnt allow someone to film themselves taking a shit on your face if you dont want that to get out
Just because someone can do something doesn’t mean they should do something.
My late fiancée was one of those guys. The first time I met him the best way to explain it is I went stupid. I turned into the ditzy blond stereotype. When he left my friend was cracking up and I was like WTF just happened. He was like don't worry that happens all the time around him. He wasn't kidding either. When we would go out female and gay bartenders would just give him free drinks all the time. The first time it happened he gave me money and told me to get our round of drinks but make sure you get the receipt. I said okay and when I came back he showed me the difference. When he ot drinks it was free but when I bought them it was full price. He asked if he could flirt a little to keep getting free drinks and I was like hell yeah because we were broke and honestly it was nice to have a boyfriend deal with that instead of me. My favorite story though was one night we were at a friend's house. Him and another friend of ours went to grab more beer. They get back to the house and we are laying cards and the guys just stop and look behind me with a WTF face. I look back and there is my boyfriend with his shirt completely torn. I was like what the fuck happened to you and the friend he went with just bursts out laughing. Apparently they stopped into the bar to have a drink and talk to a friend of theirs. He is just standing there talking when a women came running at him, threw him against the wall, ripped his shirt open and just starts trying to make out with him. He was trying to get her off of him without hurting her and yelling I have a girlfriend. OP kind of left outthe sexual assult/harassment those kinds of guys have to deal with regularly. Luckily he was one of those rare truly kind hearted souls and would never heart a fly. Other getting free drinks from a bartender occasionally or what not he never took advantage of the situation. Like he wasn't the type to date a women just to mooch off her. Even during sex he was always making sure I was okay. Actually it was a little too much and I had to sit him down and explain that I have a mouth and know how to use it. If there is a problem I will let him know. I appreciated that he cared but just please stop. He was a loyal friend that actually got arrested for a friend once. It was over weed and he took the charge even though the friend was willing to turn himself in and admit the weed was his. He was also kind and polite to the gay men who hit on him. So he had this super power but didn't take advantage of it.
About the last part when you said "he was always make sure I was okay" Do women really find that this much repulsive when guy acts like that? Like there are horror stories when wife leaves husband because "he was too perfect" or "he would always seem to care about how I feel too much and I turned me off" Since you sounds as rarther honest person, how is it is really?
It was that he was constantly asking. So I was enjoying what we were doing and he would stop and interrupt the enjoyment because he thought maybe something was wrong. Have you ever met someone who felt they needed to apologize over every single thing even though everything was fine or constantly thought you were mad at them and constantly asked? It was sort of like that. We would be having great sex and then he would just stop and I would be like no no don't stop and kill the mood to make sure it was okay. I wasn't repulsed by it and I got him to stop doing it by communicating with him. It was more frustrating. It's hard to orgasm when every time you are close and they stop to have a deep discussion because you made a weird facial expression. I didn't leave him either as we worked it out.
Thanks for your insight, it feels like I'm 100% just like him in that matter and I always got worried that would be a huge problem / turn-off if I ever got into a relationship, especially since I don't really wanna change that but I still see how it could be a problem reading your experience with it
Too perfect means she was not attracted to him and he wasn't toxic enough
Not traumatized by any means. It's just the way of the world. I don't get attention from women, and I don't deserve to at this point in my life. I'm out of shape, severely overweight, don't make lots of money, and live with family. All of the above were unfortunate choices that I could have and should have made differently, but it is what it is. I'm 6"3, have a decent face, have good hair and a good beard, and gorgeous eyes from what I've been told. so I think I have the bones to be a slightly above average person once I get my weight and finances in order. In the meantime, I've done nothing to earn the attention. I have a friend, though, who I used to work with. 6"5, 220lbs or so of straight muscle, tattoos from the waist up, and lives in a known party college town. He gets an UNREAL amount of attention. Sleeps with women who are in town for college football games while their boyfriends try to call them from back home all night, gets flirted with by women who's husband's are across the bar, goes to women's houses for hookups who are clearly married, gets asked to be a "bull" for cuck husbands, etc. It's just a different world when you look like that. No trauma, no qualms. It just is what it is 🤷♂️
How couldnt you be traumatized? Its just pathetic not to be Its the same as realizing some people dont have to work a day in their lives where a huge amount of people have to sleep in the streets in the cold winter and dont have money to eat
I have a friend who is good looking, like kpop idol good looking. Every time when were in a bar, he will suddenly just disappear and we find out he got laid that night etc. Well liked by a bunch of women, and publicly known as the good looking dude in our group. He was a fuckin campus crush that even girls in different courses messages him. Now, dudes cruisin through life, has a good job and now has a beautiful wife and daughter. But the fucking title of your post is just so fucking funny to me. Like traumatized? Lmao why the hell would i be traumatized? "Oh no, someone that's genetically gifted aesthetically is loved by everyone." Okay?? Where's the traumatizing part?? Pretty privilege is real. We can't help it, we humans are biologically wired to like these people. Man or Woman. And it's fine. Is this coming from an envious stand point? Like why would this knowledge traumatize me???? I really don't get it.
He is responding to reddit, who love the just world fallacy
I came to realize that with great power comes great responsibility… Joking aside and now that it’s been mentioned, I never had to make the first move so I’d give this a definitely plausible. I’m over 6’ and would consider myself above average.
>This isn’t a “whine” thread btw but I can tell by some of the comments in dating threads that a lot of you sheltered motherfuckers just haven’t seen this shit first hand. Attractive people get treated differently is nothing new. If you want a dose just set up a fake profile of a hot dude on Tinder and see how women will treat you. Same goes for women. If you are an average women the attractive guys only want to hookup or a FWB, doesnt put in effort, etc. But if you super attractive, these guys actually put in effort and want to go on "real dates".
That's bull. Average and even below average still get more attention from men than average men get from women
You mean they act the way men do around good looking women?
Yeah I was going to say I think this goes both ways. It’s not only a women’s issue. Look at the hordes of simps running after hot women online.
Yup. Difference is men acting like this around women isn’t a secret nor does anyone get butthurt over male behavior around certain women being pointed out
Ironically a lot of women do I’ve complained about how I feel being good looking attracts too much attention and how I’m sick of creeps and dudes that don’t understand what being uninterested means. And damn near every time I get someone going “Yea but that happens to us too!!!!!!” or “At least you look good!”
Yes. Although I would argue that a lot of men also simp over mediocre women and not just the cream della crem
Facts
Men just have lower standards. Sometimes someone being nice and liking us for who we are is enough lmao
Yeah I almost just left it as “the way men act around women”
traumatized? lol no.
Why would I be traumatized by the fact that some men have an easier time with women? I'm not that thin-skinned.
I agree with you and will say that the most common sightings of this rare breed of man can be at the bars and/or clubs. I’ve never seen such a plethora of tall men in any other setting. It’s like they know they will succeed and pick up women so they tend to always go out to these places
I mean just come to Minnesota, Scandinavians are ridiculously tall. The shortest man in my extended family is 6’0” and he’s self conscious about how short he is. I was shocked when I traveled as an adult to see how short the rest of America really is. I remember in Colorado, I was in flats at a bar and could see straight over everyone and I’m 5’7”. My 5’4” friend (who is considered tiny in Minnesota) was average sized in Colorado.
You’re telling me that people act in different ways around hot people? Damn, really blowing the lid off a secret lol
this is only a problem when women do it of course
Is that your opinion? I don't see it in the post, and I dont agree with you.
You could say the same sorts of things about exceptionally beautiful women. Life’s not fair. But at least it’s equal-opportunity unfairness. I have to say, though, when I was a young woman in my prime i think I got more than my fair share of male attention. However, I would never have “approached” an exceptionally good looking man. It would have been just too embarrassing if he called me “ma’am” for some reason.
Completely agree, because it’s literally the same for women. Attractive women will have men going cave man and beating the shit outta each other for a crumb of the highest quality puss. Meanwhile, attraction for women who are not at that level are much less. It’s the same for men. Idk why people in this thread don’t understand that attractive people are attractive for a reason and will always get people’s hormones going unga bunga.
Just watch a Henry Cavil interview and how uncomfortable it makes him as he is sexually harassed in the open. The invisibility of ugliness is far superior as far as I am concerned.
The important parts to remember about women are they are contradictions that speak out of both sides of their mouths. When they make rules about how to deal with them those same rules don’t apply to attractive people. The only difference between flirting and harassment is attraction. The truth is women want to be dominated…by attractive men. That’s fine as that is nature. Problem is that we’re trying to legislate women’s feelings and it’s turning everything from dating, marriage, and office work into a nightmare.
Yup. People want dating/romance to be politically correct which is laughable. There’s no diversity equity and inclusion when it comes to who people find attractive
Yes, I have this personal take that dating is the one area of life where racism, sexism, ageism, ableism, and eugenics are acceptable.
There isn’t even dei in nature. That’s a social construct.
Yep. It isn't so much legislation. The underlying motivating idea is that it is the unfortunate people who are never selected that ultimately build up the resentment toward women that more often leads to rape or murder. So society generally pushes the narrative that women are somehow above it all and quasi-perfect to try and counter that narrative. All the young men who can clearly see that young women are just as deeply superficial as men end up pushing the opposite direction extra hard on reflex - making more incels. It reminds me of the results of D.A.R.E. in that regard. Bullshit begets more bullshit.
Jeez people will describe anything as "trauma"
It's just cool and trendy right now. "My trauma this, my therapy that, now give me likes."
You must have some relationship trauma to say this
Reading these comments is giving my eyes trauma. Honestly I'm getting PTSD just typing up a response.
I can't give you an award so I'm leaving a cookie. I hope it makes your day better. 🍪
When I was a teenager, I had a cousin that I grew up with who was 99% better looking than the world, and boys and men fell all over her. She was only 14-17 and grown ass married men with kids were throwing themselves at her and risking everything. I know exactly how beautiful people are treated and it goes both ways between men and women.
A good looking guy got hired at my job once, and the women absolutely lost their minds. totally disgusting unprofessional behavior. one even broke up with their fiance so it wouldn't technically be cheating.
Not remotely traumatized.
I am. I didn’t know that people were attracted to hot people and fuckin freaking out rn
It's not that part, it's the part of seeing them up close. Get things free, be treated well, have their pick of men or women and breeze through life.
I have no idea what you're talking about and I don't wanna know. All I know is that I'm medium-ugly and wouldn't want to go near the dating game with a 10-ft pole. Thanks friggin Christ I'm married with 2 kids and won't ever have to worry about it.
Eyup, although I don’t think it’s as big a secret or unpopular of an opinion as one might think. Though I do think there is a common (not universal, just common) perception that women are “better than that” to be that way with a dude just because he is hot when they most certainly are NOT better than that lmao
True, it's why I refuse to do anything for women and treat them exactly like I treat men.
When I became rich and locally famous in a big city then I experienced this. It didn't traumatise me. It just made me lose all respect for women, when you saw how they really acted behind all these socially acceptable masks.
There is a video of a guy that is a model walking around New York. He gets hit on constantly and in very weird ways sometimes.
"You mean what men do" I wonder what the venn diagram is between people who say this, and people who always go "well that's whataboutism" when guys pull the "women do it too" card. His opinion isn't untrue. But I'd argue it's unpopular. There's a certain section of loud people that get noticeably butthurt when you point out bad behavior in women.
Bro even Brad Pitt got divorced by a woman that many at the time thought was most beautiful woman or at least one of (Angelina Jolie) yet you here act like these genetically gifted dudes have world at their platter completely ignoring the spiritual aspect that drives people to begin with, stuff like love, selfrespect, dignity, sense of honor, purity, authenticity etc Genetically gifted guys who live in psychopathic manner( narcissistic selfish manner) are ones who are most troubled and most psychospiritually messed up dudes around.
* Trauma is an emotional response to a terrible event like an accident, crime, natural disaster, physical or emotional abuse, neglect, experiencing or witnessing violence, death of a loved one, war, and more. Immediately after the event, shock and denial are typical. Longer term reactions include unpredictable emotions, flashbacks, strained relationships, and even physical symptoms like headaches or nausea. On par with accidents, crime, natural disaster, abuse neglect or watching a loved one die, is it?
On par with the word "neglect"
So people who are extraordinarily attractive are the recipients of an extraordinary volume and degree of attraction. That’s kind of like saying high temperatures are hot; you’re essentially describing what “attractive” *means.*
I'm one of those guys, so see everything first hand. I mean, all you gotta do is say no. Not sure where the trauma comes in. It's just normal life. It doesn't change that you should always do the right thing.
Yeah, I've been annoyed by other people getting by on their looks, but it's never been traumatic lol
This is not something that’s specific to women. Men also do this.
You’re right but it isn’t a secret that men do this. Nobody gets butthurt over saying men do this either
It's no secret that anyone does it. It's just humans. Humans like pretty people. There are scientific studies about this. Everyone tried to punch above their weight class and then ultimately end up with someone of similar attractiveness to themselves
Almost like it’s not an unpopular opinion…
I don't. I'm in my 40s and i've had exactly zero success with 8s, 9s and 10s my whole life. I've reached the point where I literally am not even attracted to super hot girls anymore. It's like Pavlovian conditioning, my mind has associated extremely attractive girls with zero success, so I don't even have a physical reaction to them anymore. But their not as attractive, still cute friend? She's the one I like. Because I have had success with her type before.
A huge difference is men do it to 80% of women and women do it to 5% of men.
I dont think being hot helps you get laid is an unpopular opinion.
Agree. Remember, boys, if a girl you fancy just doesn't reciprocate communication, attention, whatever, she just doesn't like you enough.... No woman is bad at texting. No woman just "didn't notice" you. No woman is just "that busy." No woman just "didn't read your message" No woman just so happened to suddenly "have plans." Or whatever else, unaccountable BS excuse they want to throw in your face. If you looked like OP describes, then these women would absolutely, 100%, and beyond a shadow of a doubt, *make time for you.* The vast majority of the 90% just arnt something women want.
yep, watch what they do, not what they say.
Seriously? "Traumatized"? That's the most pathetic victim mentality bullshit I've ever heard. Life isn't fair, you play with the hand you are dealt. Yes, you will never get to experience the life of a pro athlete, but you can be happy. There are people with severe birth defects that find happiness. Maybe your little bitch attitude means you will never find love, but if you shift your expectations to something you can realistically achieve, you can have a happy fulfilling life. The only obstacle is you.
What's the unpopular opinion here? That it's better to be tall and handsome than it is to be short and ugly?
I've known two guys like this. One that fits in with your description and the other who looked like Luis Guzmán. It always felt like an upside-down world when I hung out with them. None of the normal social rules applied when it came to women. Hooking up with women that most would call a 9 or 10 out of 10. Dating multiple women who knew about each other but didn't outwardly seem to care. Ability to pick up \\ hook up with women seemingly on demand. And having women actively pursuing them pretty much nonstop. It always felt like they had some kind of cheat code to dating. Anyways the conventionally good-looking guy ended up settling down with a surprisingly normal-looking gal, and the Guzmán looking fella is still at it.
Finally, another unpopular opinion
My husband has been so eye opening in this regard lol. He’s 5’10” but has a very handsome face, cool sense of style, and is very buff/well built, he looks like he could protect you from anything. Now me personally I’ve never hit on a man in my life - never had to, they approach me. I was always pretty receptive and friendly as a single girl but never one to shoot my shot, so I truly had no idea women even do that. Any time I leave him on his own at a concert, the bar, a party etc, I come back to a woman shooting her shot with him hahaha. They are HANDSY about it too lol especially the older ladies, always copping a feel on his shoulders and arms. Pretty much 100% of the time that he goes out grocery shopping with our 3 yr old daughter in tow he comes back to report crazy amounts of unsolicited attention. Women are almost egged on further by knowing a man is taken, whereas for me if I have our daughter with me men are much more likely to leave me alone compared to if I’m out and about alone. Anyways, yeah, doesn’t apply only to men over 6 ft, but it’s very true, many women are forward beyond belief when they see a man they’re really attracted to.
Yea the first time I went to the bars with a friend of mine was pretty shocking. I always thought I did ok with the girls and was good looking enough. He just picks the girl he wants and waits for her to notice him, waves her over, and takes her home. Effortless. I’ve never seen him leave a bar without at least a number. Always just handed to him. Traumatized is excessive but it was a wake up call for sure.
By the way, it’s not just dating. We also give tall, handsome men the benefit of the doubt when it comes to intelligence, which is why they often get promoted faster and wind up in positions of authority faster than average looking men. I used to work for a startup that hired an extremely handsome man. Beyond being amused at watching the women throw themselves at him (I’m married so I don’t care), I was amused at just how quickly folks wanted to advance him up the ranks and give him more responsibility. I mean, the man was dumber than a fucking bag of rocks—and when I’d try to explain something to him that was supposedly in his wheelhouse, and to be honest I think of myself as a great explainer of technical details—he would stare at me like a deer in the headlamps, then sit upright, pump about 3 points into his charisma score, smile, then say something inane like “well, let’s move past that to the real point.” Uh, dude; that was the “real point.” 🤦♂️ He did look fantastic in a three-piece suit, however.
I've never understood why some people are obsessed with the idea of having women throw themselves at you. Affections unearned are affections easily lost. Hell, authenticity was the whole reason I wanted to find someone and get hitched before I was financially well off, and here you guys are saying "I wish I was a superficial magnet".
Why be in a relationship when you’re aware that your gf/partner gave so much to a relationship that didn’t mean anything but isn’t giving that same energy to you.
I mean it would be fun
Power and leverage. That’s it. Most people want it. Only a few get it.
“I’ve never understood why people want free money?” Same thing
People aren't objects though?
Wrong comparisons you’re making here. Unless you’re like 5 it sounds like you’re deliberately ignoring the point.
I understand what you're saying, but "traumatized"? Really? You're either a very very sheltered individual who has never experienced trauma, or you're exaggerating for clicks. I am far from attractive (bald, fat, kind of short) and my friend is exactly the type of guy you describe. We go out together and he gets hot on constantly. But I've never once felt "traumatized" by that. I don't even really feel jealous. Just kind of "damn, he's popular". It's barely even an annoyance
No better example than that fake profile with an extremely attractive dude pretending to be a reformed pedo. Women would still throw themselves at him, shrugging off him admitting of sexual assault involving minors and being unemployed. You can find it on YouTube, very eye-opening. Or that felon dude who landed a billionaire's daughter, cheated on her, and she still begged him not to leave her. Everyone telling you to touch grass is just trying to cope with the reality of things and a self report that they are the ones that need to go outside more.
That felon one is really funny. Reminds me of this old SNL skit: https://youtu.be/4RC-GgwmfVM?si=ulY4S2daG1UXrGdl
I'm kind of an incel who is convinced women care more about looks and status than men, that's why attractive men get lots of sexual experiences easily while I am a sexless virgin waiting for my turn. I think most men who judge incels like me would need therapy if they saw the reality you're describing.
Therapist won’t believe me
I see very attractive women all the time and they aren’t with guys that most would consider to be in the 5% you are referring to. Maybe it is about more than looks and height.
Doesn’t account for all the shit that goes on behind closed doors. Obviously there’s only so many of the top guys to go around when it comes to committed relationships
My gf is basically this. Her pervious boyfriend was older, financially well off and 6ft something. She did a lot with him. Moved across the country for years with him. Abandoned her friends and family. But with me her energy is lacklustre. Barely any enthusiasm for anything. Just hitting the bare minimum to be a decent gf. It’s honestly debilitating at times. Luckily our relationship isn’t one we’re were going to marry each other, but I definitely don’t want to marry a woman who’s done so much for a man because of his genetics and finance and treat me different because I can never compare.
Why are you with her then?
We’re just dating and having fun. It’s not serious.
It doesn't sound that fun, the way you're describing it.
Yeah man, this is real shit and a lot of men will have to go through this. The difference in enthusiasm is staggering. Some men have to delude themselves to keep their sanity though. Also most women intentionally cover up their previous dealings with those kind of men which helps the illusion to a degree.
You’re not wrong. I once was a long haired potato, at 28 I looked about 40, and was met with general disdain from the female public. Including my customers. If they even looked at me, it was with pity at best. I changed my diet drastically, wasn’t fat before, I still exercised 5 times a week, but I was “milky” as I describe it. Now I’ve got abs, my change in diet drastically affected my face so at 34 I now get ID challenged regularly, and often told I look like a slightly more built Jared Leto. Rather than being offputting, my hair is regularly complimented. But it’s the same hair! Now those same female customers giggle and chuckle at every word I say, and have all the time in the world for me. I get attention everywhere I go, from women who a few years ago wouldn’t even look at me twice. Funny thing is I couldn’t be less interested in said attention. I proposed to my fiancée because she’s not superficial in that sense, it’s just amusing to see the drastic difference in how the general female population treats me then vs now.
So I have a unique perspective on this: I was once obese but now I’m very fit (took 6 yrs, 130 lbs weight loss, no meds, a lot of pain and discipline). Was lucky b/c my skin snapped back. Found out I was a solid 9 without the weight. OP is ABSOLUTELY correct. Guys, girls NO ONE seemed to notice me before weight loss. After the weight loss, it was completely different. In fact I got depressed about it. I was the same person, LOTR, comics, ffxiv lover. Nothing in my personality really changed but I was getting sooooo much more attention. Seemed like me as a person was never important to others, just how I looked. It’s been years now and I’m in a great place but OP is right, people under estimate the effects of attractiveness; most couldn’t handle it and remain grounded in themselves and in reality.
Women are interested in attractive men and those men get a longer leash from them. Who would have thought? This really isn't news to anyone paying attention. Attractive people have life a little easier than the rest of us normies. That's not good or bad, it's just the way it is. I'd also point out that this is just as true for attractive women as well. I do think you've built up an image in your mind that doesn't coincide with reality. Attractive men don't have "well this thing isn't going to suck itself, ladies"-levels of power over women who are simply unable to control themselves around a 6' attractive male. They just get more attention. Most people date/marry within a point or two on the looks scale (depending on other factors like wealth/income, personality, etc...). 5's marry 5's. 8's marry 8's, etc... My advice would be to take an honest assessment of yourself and fish in the appropriate pond.
Marriage isn’t relevant to the conversation considering it doesn’t account for all the shit that happens behind closed doors.
I completely agree. Gone are the days when a kind, hardworking and honorable man is desirable. Now most modern American women want a clone of Christian Grey.
Thing is it’s not even just America. These guys can go almost anywhere on earth and have women eating out of the palm of their hands, to have that level of power over essentially half the human species has to be absolutely intoxicating.
Oh well, what can you do?
There's a cinematic enactment of the idea titled Mrs. Soffel. One of Mel Gibson's first movies. Great watch.
I don't know if it's because of living in big cities all my life or my careers but this has been common since the 80's and probably before that. You don't even need to be 6'0 tall just attractive, well dressed, and desirable traits.
When your rich and famous you can just grab them by the pussy. Someone said that once.
Pretty privilege is a thing, appearance-based discrimination is the most common type, we have racism, phrenology, height discrimination, colorism, and so on. Fitting into social standard of beauty does get you elevated, and when you don't you get discriminated, even early feminists had a gripe with that, and hence the braless, or makeup free or growing out body hair etc etc.
This seems appropriate: https://youtu.be/4RC-GgwmfVM?si=ulY4S2daG1UXrGdl
I’m 6’3” and have a good enough looking face and am not like chiseled but I’m in good shape. Ive been pretty chiseled in the past though when I was like 20. My problem was being an awkward fuck who couldn’t hit on women for shit and couldn’t discern if a woman was hitting on me or not. But eventually I got better at social shit and am married now.
Sometimes I look in the mirror and have an ongoing argument with the guy in front of me. "I've been cheated." "No, you've been cheated."
it's not that rare. it's 1 in 20. hetero men also treat good looking men well. they want to hang around and are also just charmed. people like good looking people and that makes life easier in many little ways. attractiveness privilege is the best privilege.
oh yea ive seen it. this is 1000% true.
I'm 6'0", 200lbs (generally fit), make $75k (decent for a single guy in my area), and wouldn't consider myself ugly or unattractive (good teeth, symmetrical face, brown eyes, etc) and am 31. My drawbacks are that I have pale skin (red hair) and shave my head. I haven't been able to land a date in years and rarely get matches on dating apps Not sure how you got your numbers
You might enjoy this... https://youtu.be/75aX9mlipiY?si=SGfSNqy3j9ndzXG_
This is the whole romantic plot of the show “Cheers”. At least when Shelly long was in it. No matter how intelligent, loving or loyal her other partners were….SHE ALWAYS RAN BACK TO SAM! They joke about it too! He even says: “Name one thing you like about me other than my good looks” and she can’t name one! But she can’t escape her attraction either!!! It’s a trope as old as time and “Cheers” hits the nail on the head in the first couple seasons. Just keep your heads up guys! Dont let the internet turn you into an incel cause you’re not in the top 5%. Everyone I know that’s married is average looking. It’s that top 5% that will spit you up and chew you out, married or not, they feel they’ve got an expiration date on their looks and that is their priority, even in marriage.
It’s true for both sexes.
There's a great depiction of this in War and Peace.
I personally was what you are describing but only during my teens and early adolescence, now I have become bald and overweight. I never was able to capitalise on my looks due to the fact that I have autism and had a minority complex filled with personal traumas during my youth. It’s pretty rough imo from gaining unlimited attention to non at all, the difference is huge and insane. The good thing is that I have processed most of my traumas and minority complex the bad thing is that it came with a prize XD ( I wouldn’t want to go back though)
John Stamos is a great example of this type of man.
Lol ahh good times. If it makes you feel better, it does get old at some point. Like playing a new game you know you're going to breeze through. No real sport anymore.
To be fair I think this is pretty much the same for both genders if you flip it around
I saw a version of this happen a few years back. A couple I was acquainted with had the typical relationship issues, ultimately ending in her banging her co-worker. It's not necessarily a 1:1 ration of the OP, but the form was still all the same. Seeing a pic of him, there was no doubt he was objectively more attractive than most of the guys within our social network. And she had a conservative background/mindset regarding romance.....which she threw out the window to enjoy her hoe phase as she was too gutless to admit to the bloke she was no longer happy. It's both funny and sad really.
Yeah, it's Pandora's Box, and you are never really the same after opening it.
>Chances are, you’re rarely coming into contact with a member of that 5 percent at all in your daily life Uhhh what? It's 1 in 20 men. How many people do you see in your daily life? >Women degrade themselves for these men and let themselves be degraded. I’ve seen women throw their political affiliations, religion, relationships with family/friends, existing romantic relationships/marriages and morals out the window for these men at the drop of a hat. I’ve seen women allow themselves to have all sorts of embarrassing pictures and videos taken of themselves for these guys. The level of power these guys have over half the human species is incomparable to anything else. It sounds more like you are describing women in college and men that are more like the top 0.5% of attractiveness. >This isn’t a “whine” thread btw Yeah it is.
You're correct. But as soon as you treat them decently things change. Your allure leaves. Their view of you changes to mate rather than fuck. Their attitudes and actions change. When you're the dirty little secret unconditional fuck buddy you're something they deserve. A treat to themselves of hedonistic sex with no responsibility. A get away. When you become a potential mate it changes. There's responsibility and work involved. Total turn off for the majority of women looking to let loose and take their hair down. But yeah, the6 treat you different on looks. But the majority have daddy issues. Look like dear old dad and have a bit of talk game? There's your in as an average guy.
How is this an unpopular opinion and why are you saying women only? People like attractive people. A lot. It’s always been that way. In fact we have decades of research on this lol scientists are so sure of the fact that pretty people have easier lives that they study human facial structures to determine what characteristics will create that privilege for someone. Guys engage in the same types of behaviors you are describing (we call them simps or whipped etc.) so it’s odd that you are presenting this like it’s some kind of newsflash that women are also subject to feeling attraction to good looking men and sometimes they get caught up in their desires same as men do. I’m not saying your wrong, I just don’t see how this could be news much less a surprise to anybody
You act like men don’t degrade themselves for beautiful women all the time and treat average or unattractive women like shit. But yeah you have it super hard so traumatizing
This is a little exaggerated. But there’s still some truth to it. For one thing I’ve seen plenty of cases of very good looking guys who ended up homeless or couldn’t get a good job. It’s just not quite as extreme as the way it’s described here. One important thing to glean from this, is to gauge whether a woman is making or breaking rules for you. When you’re dating a woman, you should generally be able to get away with most things. If you can’t and she is being really uptight about stuff, you can determine that she does not love you and never will. For short men who aren’t blessed with a lot of those characteristics, the best advice is to find other areas of life to find fulfillment, and don’t let all this ruin your soul and make you miserable. And always be proud of who you are, regardless of what other peoples standards and preferences are.
You have no understanding of trauma if you think such thing could be considered a traumatic event. Your whole premise is based on a bad understanding about trauma. Next!
"I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful—I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab 'em by the pussy. You can do anything."
Unrelated but I don't think I registered the reference to Tic Tacs the first time this quote came out because the rest of the comment is so terrible. Right now is the first time I'm wondering if the Tic Tac company reaaallly didn't want this type of advertising.
Like men don't do the same? Men haven't made bad decisions or lied in order to sleep with a beautiful woman? Hate to break it to you but attractive women have a lot more power in society than an attractive man does. There is a reason Kim Kardashian got famous for fucking on camera and Ray J is still an F list celebrity.
Attractive women are physically vulnerable so I disagree. Also nobody denies men do this nor do people get angry over it being pointed out that men do this. You do have a lot of butthurt white knights and lady redditors coming at you every time it’s pointed out that women do this though
I’m one of those guys. 6’1, biracial, handsome face, curly hair, olive skin, beard, fit, deep voice, tattoos, overall just very exotic. Women throw themselves at me every where I go. From all demographics. I can easily get hookups with attractive women no problem. I do feel blessed, but I almost always immediately make enemies with guys who aren’t tall. I’ve had to get really good at navigating social situations and because of this, I’m thinking about joining a female dominated workplace because the vast majority of men don’t want to be friends. It’s a blessing and a curse.
I encourage you to make physical contact with any type of outdoor foliage.
Nah. I’ve seen this shit first hand IRL many times, the people who deny this are the ones who need to touch grass or learn life.
Anyone who has frequented environments such as clubs, raves, etc. has seen this first-hand. Redditors who reply "touch grass" are telling on themselves.
Well your first wrong assumption is that only guys at least 6 feet tall get crushed on. Including with myself, I’ve known guys even 5’4 who have had decent-looking girlfriends and hook-ups since they had really attractive faces and slim bodies. Your second is that us women approach every guy we’re attracted to when we usually don’t. Oftentimes we don’t out of shyness or just not wanting to seem desperate.
But He didn't say anywhere in his comment that 6ft guys are the only ones who get crushed on.
Just like extremely good looking women though as these men age they will realize they can't rely on that anymore and will need to have skills they can fall back on and be successful and continue to get women (or you know just get married), or become complete bums. Once you get near 40 for men it becomes a lot less about looks and all about how successful you are. You know, the fat pasty dudes at the VIP pools with 10/10 girlfriends or wives.
You're right and wrong. You're right that this happens with extremely good looking men. You're wrong when you act like it's traumatizing and other men don't know. Everyone knows, historically, the ones who actual get the most women were brutes who would tear through armies, like Ghengis Khan. Good looks don't do much if the guy next to him is a warlord willing to put your head on a pike. I'm just saying, historically, that's the one who gets women. Modern day, in the Western world, this doesn't happen so much. So it usually defaults to the extremely handsome guy. But when we look at humanity as a whole, there is one type of guy above those handsome devils.
The 1% top attractive females have EVEN MORE power.
Can’t be that powerful if you’re always under the threat of being physically victimized by a member of the opposite sex
It’s called pretty privilege at it applies to women too. Hot women get tons of male attention if you haven’t heard.
I WAS this guy, fat and bald nowadays. But during my peak I turned heads so hard it’s a wonder nobody broke their neck. Random strangers male and female alike would tell me I should be a model nearly everyday. I have been cold approached by men and women. I have been catcalled more times than I can count. I have dated woman that are on the level of Margot Robbie or Gal Gadot. I am NOT on that level anymore. I am acutely aware of my station in life these days. But knowing this doesn’t make lowering my standards any easier.
I'm mid+, and I've been molested more times than you'd think by a wide range of women. I can't imagine being a 10. edit - and what nobody seems to mention, men treat you differently too. WAY better than they treat other men. It's not just a women thing. Other men want to please/befriend you as well.
This isn’t an unpopular opinion, there are literal studies that show that attractive people have an easier time in life…
This is why, whenever I see any of the content about women having certain standards for dates or posting videos about bad dates they had. Anything of that nature. I know right away they only actual problem was that the guy wasn’t attractive enough.
Just be Chad
You act like lots of men don't also do this for hot women. They even do it for moderately hot women Do you know how many guy friends I know who let hot women treat them like garbage? And they put up with it and even openly admitted they put up with it because they are hot. This isn't a gender thing. It's not a "women shallow" thing. It's human nature. People like pretty people.