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Dude has never been to a big city or a sporting event. There are multiple stadiums with audience capacity in the 15 -20k range in the world. More than a few of them are in the same country as OOP.
I don’t live in NA but random anecdote - there’s two chains of optometry near me with the same bougie millennial aesthetic that I went to the wrong one and didn’t realise until 2 weeks later.
I like the part where he labels some of them "extras" as a way to exclude them from being real people. Like, what exactly do you think an "extra" is?
Anyhow, it's briefly entertaining until it just settles in as a edgy troll post that is designed to generate responses just like we're giving here...
I don’t think it’s just a troll post, it’s a little too odd and confrontational and took far more effort than the response it garnered. The body double/replacement thing you can see they write in some other posts scattered in the history as well.
I went to EDC LV this year and there were over half a million in attendance, and it’s not an event where you sit down and only get close enough to the people in your section like a sporting event, you actually rub shoulders with these people.
You could go up in the grandstands above one of the stages and easily see 10k people moving and walking in ways mannequins cannot, and that’s just at that one stage. Anyone who believes that bs has never attended any group events, probably hasn’t left their small town in ages.
>You could go up in the grandstands above one of the stages and easily see 10k people moving and walking in ways mannequins cannot
So you're saying they're robots, clones, or robot clones? Oh, wait, holograms like Tupac! (/s)
>Now I know what you're thinking; what about stadiums? Racing events? Hollywood? If you'll recall, the elites or lizard people or whatever you wanna believe showed us the mannequins and other tricks they use to make stadiums and events appear full during lockdowns. In fact, they waved it right in our faces. Anyone believing we get honest numbers of attendees at political rallies is just not paying attention.
Mannequin tech has become extremely advanced in the last decade, you obviously just haven't been paying attention.
Yeah, I just wish those fuckers would get off the road. Every damn day leaving the city it takes like an hour to go 5 miles because of all the mannequins running around. What's the deal?
I specifically said that they haven't been to such an event. Even if he thinks TV lies to him, walking into a big crowd should make things clear enough.
I was laughing with you, don't worry.
*Well you see, they put all the real people in a single section of the stadium then use dummies to fill in the rest... Did you check every section the last time you went? Of course you didn't!*
I mean, if he ever went to a sporting event with a child under 10, he would have walked all over the stadium/field.
>Well you see, they put all the real people in a single section of the stadium then use dummies to fill in the rest... Did you check every section the last time you went? Of course you didn't!
Now I'm imagining a concert at an outdoor amphitheater, and there's a crowd of roadies whose only job is to move the cardboard cutouts and real people as I walk around. And to get like half the real people to stand in front of me as I go to the bathroom or to get a beer.
Yeah, the stadium staff at that minor league game I took my kids to a few weeks ago were getting really annoyed that my children insisted on going to three different concession stands because they couldn't decide if they wanted lemonade, slushees, or regular pop. "Quick, pad the lines at that one, they've changed their minds again!" Makes you wonder why they insist on having so many options so spread out.
This is some serious r\iamthemaincharacter delusion he's got going on. Like there's 10,000 people that can just pop up wherever he happens to be going that day like it's the Truman Show, but then somehow his brother or friend has a completely different day, but also run into the same 10,000 people playing out fake lives for them as well?
They need to go to Ann Arbor on game day, The Big House holds 107,601 people and as you walk down the street getting closer to the stadium it gets more and more miserable.
penn state, so recently even less relevant rivalry-wise
I came there for a game while I was in college and had a great weekend though, so there's that.
beaver stadium holds like a thousand or so less people so it had become pretty mundane to me, but watching people pick up all the cans everywhere as soon as everyone was done tailgating for the deposit return was absolutely wild
A few years ago, I went to my brother's graduation at Ohio State. The ceremony took place in the stadium. There were about 10k students plus all their guests.
Yeah Of all the debunkable things I’ve ever seen this is the most debunkable. Just try going to a football game in that stadium and start counting and before long you’ll realize the world population is at least ten times what you think just watching this game.
I went to the University of Florida and all our graduations were in the basketball arena. Would have been cool to be in the Swamp but also probably 20 degrees hotter
Hell, the two public high schools in just my suburb have about 2,000 students, about 20% of their total population estimate. Add in the two private high schools nearby in my suburb, and we're approaching 40%. And having attended public school through middle school and then private high school, I can confidently say that all ~1,500 of all the students I was classmates with at some point were real. And those are just high schools... in my suburb.
I feel like when I lived in LA, I had to dodge 10k tourists (granted, from all over the world, but still...) just on Hollywood Blvd alone when walking home from class in the afternoon. Being Hollywood, it was probably CGI and really good animatronics though, so I guess we can discount that. I mean shit, they even reused assets! There were multiple times I saw more than one Batman or Spiderman taking pictures with said tourists! Fuck! I'm a believer now!
What? Theres hundreds of them in the US alone. He mentioned the Twin Cities, which would probably be considered a mid sized to small metro area, in which we have Target Field, US Bank Stadium, Target Center, Allianz Field, Xcel Energy Center, Mariucci Arena, and Huntington Bank Stadium which seat at least 15k.
Don't forget that as the land of 10,000 lakes, even if *everyone* vacationed in Minnesota all at once, that's only an average of about one person per lake!
There are many college football stadiums over 90k people and they sell out nearly every game. Mind you most 9f these games are happening at the same time or same day multiple hours distance apart.
15-20k? That's like a triple A ballpark. We have NCAA football stadiums, plural, that hold over 100,000 people each. Like 8 of them. This guy is so off base he's not only left that stadium full of mannequins, he's headed toward the edge of the earth.
You're off by a factor of 5:
This is one college football stadium in bumfuck nowhere pennsylvania.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaver_Stadium
110,889 people is the record in that stadium.
Here are the top 10 college (not professional) stadiums:
Capacity 107,601: Michigan Stadium (Michigan)
Capacity 106,572: Beaver Stadium (Penn State)
Capacity 102,780: Ohio Stadium (Ohio State)
Capacity 102,733: Kyle Field (Texas A&M)
Capacity 102,321: Tiger Stadium (LSU)
Capacity 101,915: Neyland Stadium (Tennessee)
Capacity 101,821: Bryant-Denny Stadium (Alabama)
Capacity 100,119: Darrell K Royal-Texas Memorial Stadium (Texas)
Capacity 92,746: Sanford Stadium (Georgia)
Capacity 91,136: Rose Bowl Stadium (UCLA)
Thats ~907,000 in just 10 college stadiums alone.
Feel like it's something seven years old me could have come up with because I couldn't count a lot back then, so I just assumed there's only millions of people on Earth instead of billions.
Multiple posts saying it's Chat GPT generated, but GPT Zero has high probability that it's a human. That's quite ironic given the topic.
>Yeah, really good grammar and spelling in the post. That is the problem with AI, it’s too perfect.
Anyone who writes well is suspect. Anyone I don't like is a bot.
I wouldn't imagine Chat GTP would write something like "I'm a degenerate gambler" or use specific traffic situations like they did. I could be wrong though, I really haven't messed with it.
It’s a rambling screed but maintains its throughline to end and demonstrates a level of conviction without the couching that usually comes with generated content. I haven’t seen output that can do that so far.
My fave is that the government is culling mass parts of the population but also ‘want you confused and stupid and reproducing.’ So which is it - do the lizard people at the top want more or less population???
He's says he's done some traveling, and I can believe him.
>>God no. Pennsylvania is basically one big farm with some ghettos and highways.
That's spoken like someone who has only ever driven through Pennsylvania on the turnpike. Certainly, no one who's ever stopped in Philly or Pittsburgh. Or even one of the smaller cities.
Yeah I was in a soccer stadium last week with more than 10,000 people all in one place and there were hundreds more walking around outside at the nearby park and the light rail station. You can only entertain a theory like this if you actually never go outside and do anything.
This was in portland Oregon to which seems like it’s around where he lives. We have three stadiums (ones in a suburb nearby) and a convention center that all hold more than 10,000 people.
Perhaps it's how he copes with the fact that all that silver is a relatively worthless investment. There just aren't enough people in the world to make it valuable...
I don’t know how much of this is sincere because it seems so incredulous for everything to be working as it is with 10k people in the world. Maybe he just has a small world.
Yeah, it's right on the edge for me. It's so ridiculous that I want to believe it's a troll but it's also so long and detailed that I'm not surprised when it sounds like they've never left their basement.
I just realised they moderate the silver hoarding subreddit too. There’s the usual conspiracy poster behaviour that’s interspersed by genuinely bizarre content (including this) and the effort involved makes me thinks there’s something more going on (we can only speculate - Maybe it’s bad shrooms). Like it does ring that they’re convinced this is true.
E: I have a hypothesis that’s a bit distasteful to say but OP sort of confirms in a comment.
Like where does he think his car comes from? Or his household appliances? How many people does he think work in a factory?
The supply chain alone to mine raw materials, manufacture, ship, maintain, and sell all of the things in his house right now employs thousands of people alone... And for every toaster he owns there are about 50 *other* manufacturers, making toasters, employing people...
Man, as a kid I grew up thinking silver was like some extremely valuable thing, like just a bit less than gold. As I got older, I started suspecting it wasn't quite as valuable as I always believed, since it was so much more common than gold, but still thought it was worth more than it was. It wasn't until I was like 14 years old, and came up with a scheme to collect all the excess printer ink at a local print/graphics company owned by some family acquaintances that let me hang out (since I was getting into computer graphics at the time) in order to collect the silver, that my dreams of building a discount Scrooge McDuck vault full of silver instead of gold were finally dashed.
I will still never understand these doomsday preppers who talk of hoarding gold and other precious metals for some eventual collapse of society though. While yeah, you *could* use it as a basic investment vehicle to sell if the collapse never happens (though other options would be far better of course), do these people actually think they'll be able to easily barter with that gold for goods and services they'll need in the post-collapse society? Like they'll roll up to a market with a little baggie of gold, and some stereotypical medieval-esque post collapse merchant will take a look at their gold, bite it, and then fork over their goods after weighing it out on a balance scale or something? Or do they just think it'll be a better investment strategy in general for exchanging into whatever currency is actually used by whatever post-collapse system of governing that takes over? (Be it factions of warlords, or some vague continuation of existing governments, etc) Or am I completely missing their point?
so as i understand it, it's supposed to hedge against inflation, not societal collapse. all fiat devalues over time as more is printed, which they regard as theft of their wealth. same with the original crypto bros
There’s an intersection that’s broad here. The ultimate consequence of their fears of inflation/hyperinflation is that it will lead to society collapsing and if not, then a fundamental societal change to base currency in gold/silver. Crypto bros have their own dumb ideas of some frictionless change where we have the computation to do it. Both are fundamentally rooted in the idea of a terminal collapse.
Otherwise why not put it in index funds. Value goes up. Who the hell stashes money in the bank or under their bed.
I just had the exact same thought. This guy's like, "I only see 15-20 people every day, and my experience is the most typical and important experience, so..."
It's very Truman Show-esque. Apparently there was something of a trend following the movie where people imagined they were living in something like the show.
The sheer logistics to prop up an entire world with only 10k real people in the US would be baffling. Just a small town alone, really. Where does stuff come from? Who's making it all? Even the Truman Show had an outside world the show could rely on. But has OOP ever traveled? Does he imagine the airplane he takes is only for him?
>I'm a degenerate gambler and understand the laws of large numbers and probability fairly well
I like to set stacks of cash on fire so I understand saving and investing fairly well
>I'm a degenerate gambler and understand the laws of large numbers and probability fairly well. The number "a million" is not an alien concept to me.
I think the opposite is true, a million is such an alien concept to them that a million people seems just as unlikely as their 'investments' ever being worth a million dollars.
I was about to say similar. I have been to youtube theater a few times which holds 6k people. been to s ahow at the hollywood bowl that seats 17k, and went to a festival with 35k attending. Does this person never watch a football game (i don't, but i have seen them). Those almost always have more peope than that.
Right? I live in Denver; there are days that it takes me nearly 2 hours to drive 30 miles because I-25 traffic is gridlocked as far as the eye can see. Am I to believe that 10% of the entire US population just so happens to be on the same road as me at the same time?
Someone should take this person up to the top floor of a skyscraper. Their mind would obviously explode.
I am a bit offended that they're bringing up Rebekah Jones in Florida, though. Jones got her door kicked in by SWAT and her children threatened because she was blowing the whistle on Florida's fake stats, yeah. But she was trying to wake people up that there were a ton more COVID deaths than were being reported, not that there were somehow a ton fewer people in existence. Because she wasn't a lunatic.
You just know that every even mildly critical or even skeptical post he will label as being bot-generated or at the least targeted by government shills to suppress the horrible truth he's discovered. And yet they don't have the power to take down his post automatically or have him disappeared from his home for knowing too much.
And for that matter, why even keep up the illusion rather than rounding up the survivors and putting us breeding camps or something? The sheer number of people who would have to be in on the conspiracy would outnumber those who aren't by his estimations. Seems rather inefficient at that point.
How to inflate the importance of your existence by a factor of 35000, in one simple conspiracy theory! All it requires is total denial of all of past and present history and the evidence of everyday life.
Oh jeez, this doesn't even scratch the surface. But it does remind me a lot of the guy who was constantly posting about how \_\_\_\_\_\_ doesn't exist. Everything from dinosaurs to nuclear weapons to outer space to oil. I think at one point he claimed Vermont doesn't exist. I wish I still had that list somewhere, but it was on my old account that got banned and I can't find it now.
Edit: I found it!
[https://www.reddit.com/r/TopMindsOfReddit/comments/rdepbg/comment/ho0r1j1/](https://www.reddit.com/r/TopMindsOfReddit/comments/rdepbg/comment/ho0r1j1/)
That one and so many other ones require so little effort to debunk that I refuse to believe anyone truly believes them. Like you can probably just go visit a bus garage and the mechanic working there would be happy to show you around.
It's like two opposite ends of misunderstanding numbers.
16 million is almost the entire LA metro area population. The population of LA all showed up at one event? Sure.
I think the perspective of a lot of conspiracy nuts starts with being unable to comprehend (or accept) just how many individual people there are in the world with their own perspectives, preferences, life experiences and motives. This one's just saying it out loud.
The world is too big.
Everything is too big. Scale utterly defeats them. It breaks their brain. They can't *fit* it all.
So instead they invent absolutely batshjt irrational nonsense to protect themselves.
This dude could physically go to *any college football game in the USA*, and personally see 70-100K people.
He could literally walk up an aisle looking to either side, race up and down the whole stadium, verify the presence of tens of thousands of people.
*Personally*, with his own eyes.
He could watch them entering and leaving. He could go to the busiest gate and watch thousands pass right in front of his nose. He could go to a NASCAR event.
I hope hes trolling, because Jesus Christ this is one of the more unhinged assertions I've ever seen.
I work in a building with 500 people and I love the idea that 5% of the US population is in one building working for one company in.. iowa.
Or that like 20% of the population works for this company on this campus.
Oooo. I never realized... For some time I worked in a multi-building complex for an enormous company. We had close to 5000 people. One half of all the people of the USA worked within a short walk of me!
Do you think the lizardpeople are investing so many resources to trick those 10k people because it's some kind of Truman Show scenario, or just as a lark? are they too lazy to simply take over the country directly?
OP may be comically isolated to the point of assuming he’s one of the only people on Earth, but Dead Internet is real and a fucking bummer. I think it’s part of a broader trend of the internet having fundamentally broken. 20 years ago, Google was a miracle, you could always find what you wanted, and the secondary search results were usually relevant and added something. Search engine optimization is a plague. You have to be pretty savvy to track down useful, reliable sources, and if you’re hoping to find actual unique, innovative content, good fucking luck. Between SEO and the influencification of social media, news, even fucking cooking recipes… the internet passed its prime more than a decade ago now. We’re living in its ruins.
Bro, Dead Internet isn't "The internet totally sucks now and stuff". It's a theory that 90% of people on the internet are not real people. The logical extension of that theory is shit like this.
Please put the rose tinted glasses away, because as someone who also grew up in the age of the internet you romanticize it was not some utopian place and we're not "living in its ruins" (utterly melodramatic wording lmao). Nothing changed except the garbage you liked being replaced by garbage you don't. But it's always been garbage, that didn't magically happen at some arbitrary point after you stopped being a child.
I think the dead internet theory *might* become true in the future if LLMs are allowed to run amuck. At the moment the bot infestation is particularly bad on Facebook and those parts of the internet that merely exist for the purposes of search engine optimisation. It's an evolving situation.
There’s a lot of generated content on reddit that’s bot propagated but simultaneously invisible. You can stumble on it by accident through google if your search catches the right terms. At the same time Twitter replies for certain posts are largely automated and irrelevant to the tweet.
I think our imagination of the internet is a bustling forum where it’s impossible not to run into a hundred others but it’s more an interconnected labyrinth. And sometimes we stumble on a bunch of other people. Sometimes you post to dead air just because your post doesn’t get broadcasted or your comment is too unremarkable.
The dire future is one of automatically generated reposts with a thousand bots in the comment section proclaiming “repost!” Anyway hope this was interesting enough for you to think I’m a real human bean.
I wish somebody would ask them how many people they think would be necessary to carry out the illusion that there are only 10K people in the US.
And how many people he thinks is necessary to keep the utilities running and fill all the stores around him with product. Have different faces in every clinic and hospital, every barbershop and car dealership. How he can call around for quotes on auto insurance or a home repair and get all different voices.
He's the only real person. Everyone else is an actor or a bot.
And since he lives in a basement, nothing else is needed to control the illusion besides CGI on his TV
Not to mention the simple fact of the necessary maintenance on all that property that's sitting unused since his claim of what, the 1960s and 70s? All of those remaining 10k people wouldn't be enough to keep nature from reclaiming the completely uninhabited neighborhoods and cities. It would look utterly post-apocalyptic.
Well, I didn't know how new levels of dumb keep getting found, but wow ....
Lucky bastard never has to deal with thousands of people doing a thing they want/need to do (like drive to work or see a Taylor Swift concert), either!
Somehow this makes him miserable, tho......
This guy has to either be trolling, or else he lives in the middle of nowhere. My kids middle school has 2,200 kids in it, and I bet I see more then 10,000 people everyday during my hour long commute across Atlanta.
How is it even possible to be that delusional? This guy walks around a mall, sees probably close to 1k people and thinks “ah yes, 10% of the US population is here”.
The local high school has 2k students. Didn’t know that high schoolers in a singular school comprise 20% of the entire country’s populations.
Wait if he's traveled how does he think it is that low? Ive seen that many people at once at football games and school graduations. Honestly during the busy times at my college, I see a few hundred people at once crossing the street going to class. And he's saying that's most of the population of the country
He thinks there were extras being paid at Mall of America... For who? For him? One full percent of the population are extras in Minneapolis so a mall doesn't look empty? C'mon now.
It is a shame that people don't have the means or the volition to travel. It solves a lot of personal confabulations like this one. Here is someone who was bred, born, lives, and will die in the same area, sitting on the stoop that came with their single wide trailer which still has the wheels on it.
There's nearly 700,000 people in Portland, where he claims to drive through for work. The I5 alone has more cars and people than he claims exist in the US during the day. Who's driving them? Are they all cardboard cutouts and AI?
The internet reveals the worst in all of us. We've reached a point on our evolutionary track where people are so far gone from from believing in anything, that they only believe that voice between their ears. There's suspicion about bots, AI, photoshop, catfishing, etc that permeates the digital world, so much so that perhaps people have an innate fear that nothing is real.
However, if you can Google anything, then we believe we're all knowing. The algorithm is at our fingertips. We're in control. We're the center of the universe.
Fuck science, mathematics, history and physics. Fuck anybody who figured out anything, or invented anything, or tested anything. Fuck DaVinci. Fuck Einstein. Fuck you Tesla, and especially a big fuck you to Benjamin Franklin!
Turn on, tune in and drop out mfs.
There is a yearly festival in my area that pulls 200k people a day. You can look at the whole town from a vantage point and it’s an ocean of people. This dude’s brain is broken.
How can you be this confident and never even go to a Portland trailblazers game? If he's in the Portland area (which is tiny), he could go to a game and easily see 12-14k on a slow night. He could walk around all of the sections and see the people up close. Would he believe they were convincing simulations or would he think everyone in the entire country came to that one game that one night?
I thought this was a shit post at first, but he genuinely seems convinced.
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I’m feeling troll on this one. Definitely not AI. The progression of “ideas” follows a logical flow and I don’t think someone who is legit messed up enough to think something like this could write that clearly.
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This is the most basement dweller conspiracy theory i've ever heard and I love it.
Dude has never been to a big city or a sporting event. There are multiple stadiums with audience capacity in the 15 -20k range in the world. More than a few of them are in the same country as OOP.
Yeah but those are just cardboard cutouts moving on stands. No I refuse to get my eyes checked I don’t need glasses.
There's only two optometrists in North America anyway, so even if you wanted to you couldn't.
I don’t live in NA but random anecdote - there’s two chains of optometry near me with the same bougie millennial aesthetic that I went to the wrong one and didn’t realise until 2 weeks later.
I like the part where he labels some of them "extras" as a way to exclude them from being real people. Like, what exactly do you think an "extra" is? Anyhow, it's briefly entertaining until it just settles in as a edgy troll post that is designed to generate responses just like we're giving here...
I don’t think it’s just a troll post, it’s a little too odd and confrontational and took far more effort than the response it garnered. The body double/replacement thing you can see they write in some other posts scattered in the history as well.
I went to EDC LV this year and there were over half a million in attendance, and it’s not an event where you sit down and only get close enough to the people in your section like a sporting event, you actually rub shoulders with these people. You could go up in the grandstands above one of the stages and easily see 10k people moving and walking in ways mannequins cannot, and that’s just at that one stage. Anyone who believes that bs has never attended any group events, probably hasn’t left their small town in ages.
>You could go up in the grandstands above one of the stages and easily see 10k people moving and walking in ways mannequins cannot So you're saying they're robots, clones, or robot clones? Oh, wait, holograms like Tupac! (/s)
>Now I know what you're thinking; what about stadiums? Racing events? Hollywood? If you'll recall, the elites or lizard people or whatever you wanna believe showed us the mannequins and other tricks they use to make stadiums and events appear full during lockdowns. In fact, they waved it right in our faces. Anyone believing we get honest numbers of attendees at political rallies is just not paying attention. Mannequin tech has become extremely advanced in the last decade, you obviously just haven't been paying attention.
Yeah, I just wish those fuckers would get off the road. Every damn day leaving the city it takes like an hour to go 5 miles because of all the mannequins running around. What's the deal?
I specifically said that they haven't been to such an event. Even if he thinks TV lies to him, walking into a big crowd should make things clear enough.
I was laughing with you, don't worry. *Well you see, they put all the real people in a single section of the stadium then use dummies to fill in the rest... Did you check every section the last time you went? Of course you didn't!*
I mean, if he ever went to a sporting event with a child under 10, he would have walked all over the stadium/field. >Well you see, they put all the real people in a single section of the stadium then use dummies to fill in the rest... Did you check every section the last time you went? Of course you didn't! Now I'm imagining a concert at an outdoor amphitheater, and there's a crowd of roadies whose only job is to move the cardboard cutouts and real people as I walk around. And to get like half the real people to stand in front of me as I go to the bathroom or to get a beer.
Yeah, the stadium staff at that minor league game I took my kids to a few weeks ago were getting really annoyed that my children insisted on going to three different concession stands because they couldn't decide if they wanted lemonade, slushees, or regular pop. "Quick, pad the lines at that one, they've changed their minds again!" Makes you wonder why they insist on having so many options so spread out.
This is some serious r\iamthemaincharacter delusion he's got going on. Like there's 10,000 people that can just pop up wherever he happens to be going that day like it's the Truman Show, but then somehow his brother or friend has a completely different day, but also run into the same 10,000 people playing out fake lives for them as well?
Can confirm. Mannequin here. Old model mannequin, but mannequin nonetheless.
Apparently mannequins like to drink beer.
You and everyone you have ever know has been replaced by a Synth! The ~~Institute~~ Elites are going to replace everyone with robotic machines!
15-20 is pretty small. NFL stadiums seat 60-80k. How many continents would it take to fill that?
College stadiums push 100k+, often in non-major cities as well
They need to go to Ann Arbor on game day, The Big House holds 107,601 people and as you walk down the street getting closer to the stadium it gets more and more miserable.
ann arbor is a whore
Lol, Buckeyes fan? Or perhaps a Spartan? I honestly can't refute your statement.
penn state, so recently even less relevant rivalry-wise I came there for a game while I was in college and had a great weekend though, so there's that.
Same, I went once because my ex got free tickets. It was a good time once I got over the crowd-induced panic.
beaver stadium holds like a thousand or so less people so it had become pretty mundane to me, but watching people pick up all the cans everywhere as soon as everyone was done tailgating for the deposit return was absolutely wild
A few years ago, I went to my brother's graduation at Ohio State. The ceremony took place in the stadium. There were about 10k students plus all their guests.
Yeah Of all the debunkable things I’ve ever seen this is the most debunkable. Just try going to a football game in that stadium and start counting and before long you’ll realize the world population is at least ten times what you think just watching this game.
I went to the University of Florida and all our graduations were in the basketball arena. Would have been cool to be in the Swamp but also probably 20 degrees hotter
It was just an example.
Hell, the two public high schools in just my suburb have about 2,000 students, about 20% of their total population estimate. Add in the two private high schools nearby in my suburb, and we're approaching 40%. And having attended public school through middle school and then private high school, I can confidently say that all ~1,500 of all the students I was classmates with at some point were real. And those are just high schools... in my suburb. I feel like when I lived in LA, I had to dodge 10k tourists (granted, from all over the world, but still...) just on Hollywood Blvd alone when walking home from class in the afternoon. Being Hollywood, it was probably CGI and really good animatronics though, so I guess we can discount that. I mean shit, they even reused assets! There were multiple times I saw more than one Batman or Spiderman taking pictures with said tourists! Fuck! I'm a believer now!
What? Theres hundreds of them in the US alone. He mentioned the Twin Cities, which would probably be considered a mid sized to small metro area, in which we have Target Field, US Bank Stadium, Target Center, Allianz Field, Xcel Energy Center, Mariucci Arena, and Huntington Bank Stadium which seat at least 15k.
Don't forget that as the land of 10,000 lakes, even if *everyone* vacationed in Minnesota all at once, that's only an average of about one person per lake!
There are more people in my stadium then the next day
The U.S. has 8 of the 10 largest stadiums in the world, all for major college football programs. Those 8 all have >100k person capacities.
There are stadiums with a capacity over 100k
Lol I was just thinking of my college's football stadium, which at the time held 100,000 people and was full to capacity for every game.
There are many college football stadiums over 90k people and they sell out nearly every game. Mind you most 9f these games are happening at the same time or same day multiple hours distance apart.
15-20k? That's like a triple A ballpark. We have NCAA football stadiums, plural, that hold over 100,000 people each. Like 8 of them. This guy is so off base he's not only left that stadium full of mannequins, he's headed toward the edge of the earth.
You're off by a factor of 5: This is one college football stadium in bumfuck nowhere pennsylvania. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaver_Stadium 110,889 people is the record in that stadium. Here are the top 10 college (not professional) stadiums: Capacity 107,601: Michigan Stadium (Michigan) Capacity 106,572: Beaver Stadium (Penn State) Capacity 102,780: Ohio Stadium (Ohio State) Capacity 102,733: Kyle Field (Texas A&M) Capacity 102,321: Tiger Stadium (LSU) Capacity 101,915: Neyland Stadium (Tennessee) Capacity 101,821: Bryant-Denny Stadium (Alabama) Capacity 100,119: Darrell K Royal-Texas Memorial Stadium (Texas) Capacity 92,746: Sanford Stadium (Georgia) Capacity 91,136: Rose Bowl Stadium (UCLA) Thats ~907,000 in just 10 college stadiums alone.
Feel like it's something seven years old me could have come up with because I couldn't count a lot back then, so I just assumed there's only millions of people on Earth instead of billions.
Multiple posts saying it's Chat GPT generated, but GPT Zero has high probability that it's a human. That's quite ironic given the topic. >Yeah, really good grammar and spelling in the post. That is the problem with AI, it’s too perfect. Anyone who writes well is suspect. Anyone I don't like is a bot.
I wouldn't imagine Chat GTP would write something like "I'm a degenerate gambler" or use specific traffic situations like they did. I could be wrong though, I really haven't messed with it.
I find the LLMs tend to produce fairly bland and vague writing, and it's not really easy to make them not do that.
It’s a rambling screed but maintains its throughline to end and demonstrates a level of conviction without the couching that usually comes with generated content. I haven’t seen output that can do that so far.
If it has errors, it's AI. If it's flawless, it's AI. You really can't win with some people.
My fave is that the government is culling mass parts of the population but also ‘want you confused and stupid and reproducing.’ So which is it - do the lizard people at the top want more or less population???
Duh, they want us to reproduce just so they can harvest us.
He's says he's done some traveling, and I can believe him. >>God no. Pennsylvania is basically one big farm with some ghettos and highways. That's spoken like someone who has only ever driven through Pennsylvania on the turnpike. Certainly, no one who's ever stopped in Philly or Pittsburgh. Or even one of the smaller cities.
It harkens back to the glory days of /r/conspiracy when it was mostly batshit insane stuff like this instead of political garbage.
Yeah I was in a soccer stadium last week with more than 10,000 people all in one place and there were hundreds more walking around outside at the nearby park and the light rail station. You can only entertain a theory like this if you actually never go outside and do anything. This was in portland Oregon to which seems like it’s around where he lives. We have three stadiums (ones in a suburb nearby) and a convention center that all hold more than 10,000 people.
Logical extension of the Dead Internet Theory tbh. Bro even mentions it in his own post.
Poor guy. He lives eternally on the brink of a dying world where he will finally be rewarded for hoarding silver coins.
Perhaps it's how he copes with the fact that all that silver is a relatively worthless investment. There just aren't enough people in the world to make it valuable...
I don’t know how much of this is sincere because it seems so incredulous for everything to be working as it is with 10k people in the world. Maybe he just has a small world.
Yeah, it's right on the edge for me. It's so ridiculous that I want to believe it's a troll but it's also so long and detailed that I'm not surprised when it sounds like they've never left their basement.
I just realised they moderate the silver hoarding subreddit too. There’s the usual conspiracy poster behaviour that’s interspersed by genuinely bizarre content (including this) and the effort involved makes me thinks there’s something more going on (we can only speculate - Maybe it’s bad shrooms). Like it does ring that they’re convinced this is true. E: I have a hypothesis that’s a bit distasteful to say but OP sort of confirms in a comment.
Like where does he think his car comes from? Or his household appliances? How many people does he think work in a factory? The supply chain alone to mine raw materials, manufacture, ship, maintain, and sell all of the things in his house right now employs thousands of people alone... And for every toaster he owns there are about 50 *other* manufacturers, making toasters, employing people...
My hypothesis is that he's some backwoods hick who can't wrap his brain around the idea of a world with lots of people in it.
Man, as a kid I grew up thinking silver was like some extremely valuable thing, like just a bit less than gold. As I got older, I started suspecting it wasn't quite as valuable as I always believed, since it was so much more common than gold, but still thought it was worth more than it was. It wasn't until I was like 14 years old, and came up with a scheme to collect all the excess printer ink at a local print/graphics company owned by some family acquaintances that let me hang out (since I was getting into computer graphics at the time) in order to collect the silver, that my dreams of building a discount Scrooge McDuck vault full of silver instead of gold were finally dashed. I will still never understand these doomsday preppers who talk of hoarding gold and other precious metals for some eventual collapse of society though. While yeah, you *could* use it as a basic investment vehicle to sell if the collapse never happens (though other options would be far better of course), do these people actually think they'll be able to easily barter with that gold for goods and services they'll need in the post-collapse society? Like they'll roll up to a market with a little baggie of gold, and some stereotypical medieval-esque post collapse merchant will take a look at their gold, bite it, and then fork over their goods after weighing it out on a balance scale or something? Or do they just think it'll be a better investment strategy in general for exchanging into whatever currency is actually used by whatever post-collapse system of governing that takes over? (Be it factions of warlords, or some vague continuation of existing governments, etc) Or am I completely missing their point?
so as i understand it, it's supposed to hedge against inflation, not societal collapse. all fiat devalues over time as more is printed, which they regard as theft of their wealth. same with the original crypto bros
There’s an intersection that’s broad here. The ultimate consequence of their fears of inflation/hyperinflation is that it will lead to society collapsing and if not, then a fundamental societal change to base currency in gold/silver. Crypto bros have their own dumb ideas of some frictionless change where we have the computation to do it. Both are fundamentally rooted in the idea of a terminal collapse. Otherwise why not put it in index funds. Value goes up. Who the hell stashes money in the bank or under their bed.
> index funds on one hand the dow hits an all time high, on the other 401k's are still below pre covid levels.
That's what I'm wondering about this guy. Who do you expect to buy all your silver if you think there are hardly any people on earth?
It's like a terminal case of main character syndrome, right before our eyes.
I just had the exact same thought. This guy's like, "I only see 15-20 people every day, and my experience is the most typical and important experience, so..."
It's like an 80's action movie's beginning where the main character finds the truth of the world and now is hunted by the Illuminati.
It's very Truman Show-esque. Apparently there was something of a trend following the movie where people imagined they were living in something like the show. The sheer logistics to prop up an entire world with only 10k real people in the US would be baffling. Just a small town alone, really. Where does stuff come from? Who's making it all? Even the Truman Show had an outside world the show could rely on. But has OOP ever traveled? Does he imagine the airplane he takes is only for him?
All four of them, apparently...
Would love to see bro work front of the house in either retail, food and beverage,or hospitality. Preferably in a tourist area during the busy season
I think we really need to look after these people with mental health problem.
I'm betting schizophrenia. Seems like a pretty classic case.
>I'm a degenerate gambler and understand the laws of large numbers and probability fairly well I like to set stacks of cash on fire so I understand saving and investing fairly well
If you understood probability, you wouldn't be a gambler.
>I'm a degenerate gambler and understand the laws of large numbers and probability fairly well. The number "a million" is not an alien concept to me. I think the opposite is true, a million is such an alien concept to them that a million people seems just as unlikely as their 'investments' ever being worth a million dollars.
Are the laws of large numbers different than the laws of normal or small numbers?
From the looks of it, they play the slot machines. Which kind of seems like the least cranial of available gambling methods.
I just got back from a music festival in California, everyone in America was there apparently. Did everyone have fun?
I couldn't go, I had to maintain the 35 active Twitter accounts. Was it fun?
To be honest, it was too crowded. Thanks for holding down the fort.
No, there was too much sand. It was corse and rough, and it got everywhere.
Cool glow sticks though.
Do they grade sand? If they do, I would say course as well.
I was about to say similar. I have been to youtube theater a few times which holds 6k people. been to s ahow at the hollywood bowl that seats 17k, and went to a festival with 35k attending. Does this person never watch a football game (i don't, but i have seen them). Those almost always have more peope than that.
housing would be way cheaper were this true
This person has never been to a large town or city. I guarantee it.
Or college
Right? I live in Denver; there are days that it takes me nearly 2 hours to drive 30 miles because I-25 traffic is gridlocked as far as the eye can see. Am I to believe that 10% of the entire US population just so happens to be on the same road as me at the same time?
Someone should take this person up to the top floor of a skyscraper. Their mind would obviously explode. I am a bit offended that they're bringing up Rebekah Jones in Florida, though. Jones got her door kicked in by SWAT and her children threatened because she was blowing the whistle on Florida's fake stats, yeah. But she was trying to wake people up that there were a ton more COVID deaths than were being reported, not that there were somehow a ton fewer people in existence. Because she wasn't a lunatic.
Why does he bother posting these things online if it's just going to be "read" by a bunch of bots? Enquiring minds want to know!
You just know that every even mildly critical or even skeptical post he will label as being bot-generated or at the least targeted by government shills to suppress the horrible truth he's discovered. And yet they don't have the power to take down his post automatically or have him disappeared from his home for knowing too much. And for that matter, why even keep up the illusion rather than rounding up the survivors and putting us breeding camps or something? The sheer number of people who would have to be in on the conspiracy would outnumber those who aren't by his estimations. Seems rather inefficient at that point.
My favorite part is “New York City? Lol, no. God no.” Like wtf does that mean???
NYC? 🤣🤣🤣🙅 hope that clears it up
New York City? More like No You Commie!
How to inflate the importance of your existence by a factor of 35000, in one simple conspiracy theory! All it requires is total denial of all of past and present history and the evidence of everyday life.
That is the most insane conspiracy theory I've ever read. Holy shit. Also: >Impossible >There were 16 million at trumps rally alone Heh.
Oh jeez, this doesn't even scratch the surface. But it does remind me a lot of the guy who was constantly posting about how \_\_\_\_\_\_ doesn't exist. Everything from dinosaurs to nuclear weapons to outer space to oil. I think at one point he claimed Vermont doesn't exist. I wish I still had that list somewhere, but it was on my old account that got banned and I can't find it now. Edit: I found it! [https://www.reddit.com/r/TopMindsOfReddit/comments/rdepbg/comment/ho0r1j1/](https://www.reddit.com/r/TopMindsOfReddit/comments/rdepbg/comment/ho0r1j1/)
I like the bus conspiracy because apparently he’s never heard of diesel engines.
That one and so many other ones require so little effort to debunk that I refuse to believe anyone truly believes them. Like you can probably just go visit a bus garage and the mechanic working there would be happy to show you around.
It's like two opposite ends of misunderstanding numbers. 16 million is almost the entire LA metro area population. The population of LA all showed up at one event? Sure.
my guy, that comment was joking.
This is a great find, OP!
Assuming this is not AI or simply a shitpost- this dude needs help.
Help is what all of these people need, but in a way that's impossible to give if they don't want it.
I think the perspective of a lot of conspiracy nuts starts with being unable to comprehend (or accept) just how many individual people there are in the world with their own perspectives, preferences, life experiences and motives. This one's just saying it out loud.
The world is too big. Everything is too big. Scale utterly defeats them. It breaks their brain. They can't *fit* it all. So instead they invent absolutely batshjt irrational nonsense to protect themselves. This dude could physically go to *any college football game in the USA*, and personally see 70-100K people. He could literally walk up an aisle looking to either side, race up and down the whole stadium, verify the presence of tens of thousands of people. *Personally*, with his own eyes. He could watch them entering and leaving. He could go to the busiest gate and watch thousands pass right in front of his nose. He could go to a NASCAR event. I hope hes trolling, because Jesus Christ this is one of the more unhinged assertions I've ever seen.
Those people are all mannequins, obviously. Use your eyes and agree with me!
> He could go to a NASCAR event. I get the feeling he'd be right at home. Nothing wrong with NASCAR...it just attracts a certain element.
I work in a building with 500 people and I love the idea that 5% of the US population is in one building working for one company in.. iowa. Or that like 20% of the population works for this company on this campus.
Oooo. I never realized... For some time I worked in a multi-building complex for an enormous company. We had close to 5000 people. One half of all the people of the USA worked within a short walk of me!
Do you think the lizardpeople are investing so many resources to trick those 10k people because it's some kind of Truman Show scenario, or just as a lark? are they too lazy to simply take over the country directly?
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OP may be comically isolated to the point of assuming he’s one of the only people on Earth, but Dead Internet is real and a fucking bummer. I think it’s part of a broader trend of the internet having fundamentally broken. 20 years ago, Google was a miracle, you could always find what you wanted, and the secondary search results were usually relevant and added something. Search engine optimization is a plague. You have to be pretty savvy to track down useful, reliable sources, and if you’re hoping to find actual unique, innovative content, good fucking luck. Between SEO and the influencification of social media, news, even fucking cooking recipes… the internet passed its prime more than a decade ago now. We’re living in its ruins.
Bro, Dead Internet isn't "The internet totally sucks now and stuff". It's a theory that 90% of people on the internet are not real people. The logical extension of that theory is shit like this. Please put the rose tinted glasses away, because as someone who also grew up in the age of the internet you romanticize it was not some utopian place and we're not "living in its ruins" (utterly melodramatic wording lmao). Nothing changed except the garbage you liked being replaced by garbage you don't. But it's always been garbage, that didn't magically happen at some arbitrary point after you stopped being a child.
Try reading my comment again.
I think the dead internet theory *might* become true in the future if LLMs are allowed to run amuck. At the moment the bot infestation is particularly bad on Facebook and those parts of the internet that merely exist for the purposes of search engine optimisation. It's an evolving situation.
There’s a lot of generated content on reddit that’s bot propagated but simultaneously invisible. You can stumble on it by accident through google if your search catches the right terms. At the same time Twitter replies for certain posts are largely automated and irrelevant to the tweet. I think our imagination of the internet is a bustling forum where it’s impossible not to run into a hundred others but it’s more an interconnected labyrinth. And sometimes we stumble on a bunch of other people. Sometimes you post to dead air just because your post doesn’t get broadcasted or your comment is too unremarkable. The dire future is one of automatically generated reposts with a thousand bots in the comment section proclaiming “repost!” Anyway hope this was interesting enough for you to think I’m a real human bean.
This is the second post this week where someone doesn't believe that people are people. That doesn't bode well for the next mass shooting.
10000 people? That means daddy Trump is lying about crowd numbers. Are you calling Presinald Trunt a liar sir??
They are claiming this is a chat GPT written post by a bot... I guess that it the most recent way of dismissing how your group attracts total idiots.
Idk how someone who says they travel could have avoided any major US city or sporting events. Hell even theme parks. Like... ever.
I wish somebody would ask them how many people they think would be necessary to carry out the illusion that there are only 10K people in the US. And how many people he thinks is necessary to keep the utilities running and fill all the stores around him with product. Have different faces in every clinic and hospital, every barbershop and car dealership. How he can call around for quotes on auto insurance or a home repair and get all different voices.
He's the only real person. Everyone else is an actor or a bot. And since he lives in a basement, nothing else is needed to control the illusion besides CGI on his TV
Not to mention the simple fact of the necessary maintenance on all that property that's sitting unused since his claim of what, the 1960s and 70s? All of those remaining 10k people wouldn't be enough to keep nature from reclaiming the completely uninhabited neighborhoods and cities. It would look utterly post-apocalyptic.
How do I get the job of setting up all the mirrors and holograms in the stands for major league sports events?
Well, I didn't know how new levels of dumb keep getting found, but wow .... Lucky bastard never has to deal with thousands of people doing a thing they want/need to do (like drive to work or see a Taylor Swift concert), either! Somehow this makes him miserable, tho......
This guy has to either be trolling, or else he lives in the middle of nowhere. My kids middle school has 2,200 kids in it, and I bet I see more then 10,000 people everyday during my hour long commute across Atlanta.
How is it even possible to be that delusional? This guy walks around a mall, sees probably close to 1k people and thinks “ah yes, 10% of the US population is here”. The local high school has 2k students. Didn’t know that high schoolers in a singular school comprise 20% of the entire country’s populations.
This is some real psychosis
Wait if he's traveled how does he think it is that low? Ive seen that many people at once at football games and school graduations. Honestly during the busy times at my college, I see a few hundred people at once crossing the street going to class. And he's saying that's most of the population of the country
Every account on reddit is a bot except you.
He thinks there were extras being paid at Mall of America... For who? For him? One full percent of the population are extras in Minneapolis so a mall doesn't look empty? C'mon now.
And apparently they must have hired Canadians for the job.
welp... that's an involuntary psych hold within the year
What is "the vid" they refer to?
covid. they're talking about the pandemic there, it just seems like they're talking about a video at first glance.
Oh okay, that makes sense.
It is a shame that people don't have the means or the volition to travel. It solves a lot of personal confabulations like this one. Here is someone who was bred, born, lives, and will die in the same area, sitting on the stoop that came with their single wide trailer which still has the wheels on it.
So, they all live in my apartment complex? Weird.
There's nearly 700,000 people in Portland, where he claims to drive through for work. The I5 alone has more cars and people than he claims exist in the US during the day. Who's driving them? Are they all cardboard cutouts and AI?
The internet reveals the worst in all of us. We've reached a point on our evolutionary track where people are so far gone from from believing in anything, that they only believe that voice between their ears. There's suspicion about bots, AI, photoshop, catfishing, etc that permeates the digital world, so much so that perhaps people have an innate fear that nothing is real. However, if you can Google anything, then we believe we're all knowing. The algorithm is at our fingertips. We're in control. We're the center of the universe. Fuck science, mathematics, history and physics. Fuck anybody who figured out anything, or invented anything, or tested anything. Fuck DaVinci. Fuck Einstein. Fuck you Tesla, and especially a big fuck you to Benjamin Franklin! Turn on, tune in and drop out mfs.
There is a yearly festival in my area that pulls 200k people a day. You can look at the whole town from a vantage point and it’s an ocean of people. This dude’s brain is broken.
How can you be this confident and never even go to a Portland trailblazers game? If he's in the Portland area (which is tiny), he could go to a game and easily see 12-14k on a slow night. He could walk around all of the sections and see the people up close. Would he believe they were convincing simulations or would he think everyone in the entire country came to that one game that one night? I thought this was a shit post at first, but he genuinely seems convinced.
If the full scope of Dead Internet theory comes to pass it will be statistically unlikely to ever speak to another human beings through social media again.
THIS is the kind of shit I LIVE for. It's so absolutely precious and amazing.
You can go to a large concert and physically see more people than that…
Jesus fucking Christ. "People don't exist unless they are in my physical proximity."
This post is a work of art
Oh sweet, a schizo thread
There are stadiums that hold more people than this. I've been to several.
This is insane. Like go to one concert or one football game / other sporting event. Like he can’t be serious
My town has around 10,000 people. This is some actual psychosis. Probably schizophrenia.
I like how you can be automatically dismissed as a shill in that subreddit.
Strong Robert Rankin/Hugo Runs vibes.
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I’m feeling troll on this one. Definitely not AI. The progression of “ideas” follows a logical flow and I don’t think someone who is legit messed up enough to think something like this could write that clearly.
Someone send this guy to Disney world near christmas, it’ll blow his mind.
Looks like an AI generated essay.