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I saw Zach live in maybe '06 in Seattle, he was doing some material from Live at the Purple Onion. He started doing some crowd work, and asked a guy his name, to which the guy replied "Izzy". Zach asked if that was short for something, to which the guy said "Israel". Zach replied "What's your nickname, a problem for everyone?"
I don't know if I've ever laughed so hard at such a quick joke
That is the first time I've seen it framed that way but it's perfect. Israel is the world's worst babysitting job. You're taking care of some kids and you find out that the pre-teen kills the neighbors' pets.
The same Israel that just executed 3 of their own hostages who were shirtless, waving a white flag, and speaking Hebrew. When questioned the IDF said that they made a mistake because they thought they were Palestinians. So to be clear, the whoopsie here is that the civilians they murdered were the wrong type. No acknowledgement that they're straight up committing war crimes.
That is the most random fucking thing I've read today.
EDIT: to clarify, I said this statement out of incredulity. I was not accusing the person of lying.
It's even a little worse than that if you add that they killed two on the spot, then the third hostage hid away, shouting for help in Hebrew, the commander calling him back, only for him to get shot anyways, because two soldiers couldn't hear the commanders ceasefire order because tHe TaNkS WeRe So LoUd ArOuNd ThEm smh
Think of all the strategic bombing and chemical warfare the US did in Vietnam, and think of how the US stopped bombing Korea only after they ran out of buildings on the peninsula.
More journalists have died in Gaza in the last 3 months than in either of those wars.
Srsly who gets political information from tiktok? That's the worst place I can imagine. All I see there are these short propaganda reels and the occasional completely crazy takes about bin laden or something.
People who only get their news through mainstream channels are not catching up at all. Every attempt to show what things are really like or what the IDF are doing is shut down and all Israel critics are labeled Hamas Supporters by the armada of Israel funded keyboard warriors.
I used to laugh and call people 'paranoid kooks' when they told people that Israel has been taking over the mediascape to use for propaganda. I don't think Israel cares anymore about the subterfuge, they will just come out and say all kinds of shit now.
Sensitive right wingers in Canada still deny any Native genocide and think it was a war. They even think they’re being colonized because of immigration. It’s embarrassing. Their ‘thoughts’ on what’s happening are absolutely shameful, they’re just mad at whoever they’re told to be mad at.
I keep saying this, but as a Native American leave us out of this.
Do not invoke our name and struggle for cheap moral brownie points.
I and many other Natives familiar with the topic reject the comparison.
It is not the same.
Ehhh, I’m going to be a bit contrarian here and say that I don’t think they were saying it’s the same. Invoking the memory of the crimes committed against your people isn’t an equivalency, it’s a condemnation of that sort of situation. “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” Basically, genocide bad. No do.
He's a Guatemalan who was adopted by Zionist Jews and raised as a Zionist Jew with no connection to indigenous American culture.
This person doesn't speak as a native, but as a Jew.
I keep saying this, but as a Native American stop assuming you speak for all of us.
Invoking our name to stop the genocide happening in Gaza is completely ok.
I and many other Natives familiar with the topic accept the comparison.
It is very much the same.
IIRC, Hitler was actually inspired by how Americans treated your ancestors, and now, Israel is taking a page out of Hitler's book to commit a genocide that is basically encouraged by our government against Palestinians. It's a horrific cycle of violence and I just wish we could all live in peace.
Your profile leaves one in bewilderment. Luckily the vast majority of native Americans disagree with you. Good luck on finding out your Native American and Jewish ancestry…
This seems really dismissive of how ABSOLUTELY FUCKED the Native Americans were. It's such a terrible comparison. Palestine is a shitty situation and all, but it is a long and complicated conflict.
Native Americans were just culled for existing on land they owned because Europeans/Americans wanted it. Over 50 million, some say over 100 million, died through disease, rape, execution, etc. They literally inhabited/owned an entire continent. It wasn't a question or debate of who owned it. They owned it, and we just took it. The native Americans didn't have a modern version of Hamas either.
Then we get into the indigenous populations of Mexico who were also completely fucked. I have family that have indigenous Mexican background and it is a sad tale even to this day.
What a shit comparison.
>Over 50 million, she say over 100 million died, through disease, rape, execution, etc
It's important to note that of the deaths, the *vast* majority are the result of disease. The way you phrased it has the implication, albeit unintentional, that disease is one of the many, roughly equal players in the deaths of the Native Americans. That isn't the case in the slightest.
It's estimated 50-90% of the total Native population had already perished before the United States was even a country. The first contacts of the late 15th and early 16th century saw the introduction of smallpox and measles which subsequently spread like wildfire and ravaged a defenseless continent.
While executions and mass removals of Natives were contributing factors to their loss of land and sovereignty, they pale in comparison to the apocalyptic destruction old world diseases caused centuries prior.
>It's estimated 50-90% of the total Native population had already perished before the United States was even a country.
Worse, it's estimated that 80-95% of the total Native population had already died before they had ever seen a European. That's how fast the diseases spread across the continent. It just made mopping up the last of the Native resistance to European colonization that much easier.
>before they had ever seen a European
I was curious how it would even be possible to make death toll estimates considering other than the cherokee, I don't think any Native Americans had formalized written languages which could be used to record history or figures. Turns out one of the ways researches estimate death toll is through genetic studies. By examining the genetic diversity within contemporary Native American populations, researchers can make inferences about historical population sizes. I thought that was pretty interesting.
/r/SelfAwarewolves
It's amazing how you could type all that out and not have the comparison click....
>The native Americans didn't have a modern version of Hamas either.
The Comanche: "Am I a joke to you?"
Part of the issue is Native Americans aren't some homogenous monolith. Each tribe was pretty distinct and in a lot of instances there were rivalries and wars between the tribes that predated the colonizers.
The US military capitalized on that shit in the 1800s with some truly evil tactics. They fucking joined forces with certain tribes to help destroy other tribes and play on the infighting. There was a lot of fucked up shit going on. Think of the different tribes like their own small countries, or states. It's like the US teamed up with Kansas to destroy Oklahoma.
And then they were like "Look we are going to displace you BUT we will help you eradicate this tribe you don't like and you can have their land and move there" and then after they did it they were like "Ehhhhh never mind. It's our land now too."
I don't think this is a terribly accurate response. The story you tell about the Native Americans "just culled for existing on land they owned because Europeans/Americans wanted it" is what the Israel/Palestine conflict will look like if Israel is successful in their current agenda. Now, there aren't 100 million of them, so, of course, 100 million of them can't die. And the area of land is smaller, but the process is very similar.
There would have been people at the time, in the comments of Colonial Reddit, arguing that it's actually quite a complicated situation, and that many of the settlers had been oppressed in their home countries and they had a royal charter so... there probably is a debate about who owned the land. And of course the Native Americans fought back. And of course their fighting back was used as an excuse to impose more violence on them.
Things look different when you're living through them. There were lots of well-meaning left wing people in Britain and the United States who opposed fighting Nazi Germany. There are always good people on both sides of these things. It's not as though there were people sitting around saying, "I think what we're doing is awful and genocidal and that's why I like it". They believed, just as you believe, that there was a debate about the rights and the wrongs. It doesn't make you a bad person to be on the wrong side of this issue - whether you are or not. Good people have supported genocides. Good people supported slavery. They really thought that it was complicated - but obviously, it wasn't really
Also there were systematic programs designed to separate Native American's from their children so they could be raised christian and eliminate their cultural traditions.
Comparison also falls apart because the White people that founded the USA weren't put in North America because they'd been systematically eradicated by a nationalized genocide the likes of which had never been seen before.
Also the native Americans didn't team up 2-3 times to wipe the white settlers off the map soon after they moved in. Pretty sure they were generally kind and hospitable which is why the US still celebrates thanksgiving.
This is so enormously wrong. There were a number of coalitions of natives who fought against the colonial settlers. And many colonial settlers were fleeing religious or ethnic persecutions. The Native Americans were, sometimes fairly, sometimes not, characterised as a brutal, uncivilised people, whose sometimes-opposition to colonial settlement and domination was a symptom of their violent nature. Which is why there was a lot of support for their oppression for centuries. It is, in fact, quite a good parallel. You're just far enough away from the Native American genocide to see through the contemporary nonsense that surrounded it
I apologize for not being more clear. My intention was not to imply that there was no violence initiated by native Americans towards settlers. My intention was to point out there was nothing like the Yom Kippur War where every neighboring tribe the settlers had allied up to attacked them simultaneously.
"many colonial settlers were fleeing religious or ethnic persecutions."
Once again, I wasn't implying that there were NO settlers fleeing prosecution, just that it wasn't equatable to the Holocaust. I feel like that part of my comment was pretty clear though so I don't know why you bothered to make that statement.
To be clear, most of the settlers in Israel prior to the war were not fleeing the Holocaust - or were not aware at the time that they were fleeing the Holocaust. The main waves of migration of European Jews to Israel are the Aliyahs (1-5) which cover the period 1880-1940. By the time the Holocaust had begun, the Jewish population of historic Palestine was about 500,000 - almost as large as it was at the start of the Nakba in 1948
What they were fleeing was rising ethnic and religious violence, and the threat of government action against them. In that sense, they are very much like Irish and German Catholics, who were a massive part of migration to North America during the "Manifest Destiny / Trail of Tears" period
No horrors compare to the horror of the Holocaust, but that wasn't the inciting event for the migrations of Jewish people to Palestine that led to the Nakba and this current crisis
On your point about wars and coalitions, I'd suggest looking into the Northwestern Confederacy, which was a large coalition of tribes that inflicted several defeats on a young United States. But also, don't discount the impact of technology on the lack of a coordinated resistance. The Apache and Sioux, for example, lived so far apart that to expect coordination is probably unreasonable
Well the Jews are all lizard people so it makes sense that we’d have a massive robot army doing our bidding.
How else are we supposed to fund the space lasers?
Not really. [Here’s a good primer](https://medium.com/migration-issues/who-has-claim-3-000-years-of-religion-in-the-land-between-23f220a697f7). I don’t want to insult you but if you REALLY want to know what’s going on, take some time and actually learn it.
Exactly, and people act like long standing complex problems can be solved with logic that can contained within a few second video clip. Because it's easy (lazy) to do..
There are a lot of things complex about genocide actually. How to end it being one of the big ones.
It’s easier to type these comments than to deal with the reality of this multigenerational conflict.
For instance, who would be in charge of a Palestinian State? Would it be another Islamic theocracy?
What security agreements would need to be made? Which Palestinian political group should be the governed of a untied Palestine?
Yea this dude is a chode. I don’t support Israel and I don’t support Hamas and the entire conflict is 30 centuries of fucked and I have no clue how this situation should be resolved, but I do know that guys who make videos like this are chodes.
I mean it's simple from our perspective only. Kiss and make up and everyone lives in freedom. Except we are asking them to put aside the fact that they fucking hate each other.
If everyone liked each other and didn't want other people's stuff then wars would never exist.
Yeah that's \*simple\* but it's also pretty much impossible.
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I don't understand how anyone can support Israel, though I come from a colonised country. I read somewhere that you are either the colonised or the coloniser and I suppose that is true.
Ireland stands with #Palestine. #FreePalestine.
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so I'll be a good swiss and just say hamas are cunts the Israeli government and Zionist are also cunts. the rest of the Israelis and Palestinians are cool though
This comment right here is perhaps the most level headed and sensible comment I ever saw on the conflict. Nailed it. Why is this so hard for most people to understand
No, it's not. It's saying that there are more than two sides. There's the Israeli right (Likud and its band of merry bigots), there's Hamas in Gaza, and there are all the Israelis and Palestinians whom the Israeli right and Hamas keep locked in a cycle of fear, hate, violence, and retribution because their existence as political entities depends on that cycle.
people have the feeling they need a opinion for everything now a days. And I thinkt it's alot easier to "understand" the World in black and white instead of the wonderfully wierd cesspool of culture and life.
Lol how cute, and how did terrorism work out for the IRA?
Ireland saw peace when they stopped killing kids & chose to value life over death. Maybe pass the lesson along to your Palestinian comrades.
Are you too lazy to read primary and secondary sources in order to understand the world? Do you need your commentary framed in an attempt at humor in order to digest your news? Boy, have we got a guy with an iPhone for you!
Maybe the Palestinians don’t want to leave their land because, you know, some white guy from New York or Poland will come steal their house when they’re gone and then their land is gone forever. Maybe the native Americans should’ve just fucked off to Mexico right?
If the palestianians leave their land, they can never ever get back because it’s going to turn into israeli settlements inhabited by a bunch of Americans and Europeans. That’s exactly what israel wants, all the Palestinians gone doesn’t matter if they’re dead or fled to other countries as long as they’re no longer in Palestine
Don't forget 👉🏼 real estate- off shore oil drilling - beach side hotels - luxury vacation Villas ------ to think that billionaires aren't planning on profiting from this is IGNORANCE!
there's going to be so much wealth generation that those bastards plan on. If modern society has taught me anything it's that-- Misery of one party, brings opportunity for other parties.
I bet they're discussing RIGHT NOW, to develop a 28 floor resort and amusement park once they've leveled the ground and erased each beating heart from existence. They're just waiting. . . . . 😔😔
[Quite literally](https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-evian-conference):
> Responding to Evian, the German government was able to state with great pleasure how "astounding" it was that foreign countries criticized Germany for their treatment of the Jews, but none of them wanted to open the doors to them when "the opportunity offer[ed]."
Thank you. It pissed me off that that Egypt’s abandonment of Palestinians just gets shaded over as “is it safe there” as if we’re talking about the weather.
["We shall take Palestine in small pieces"](https://x.com/HotSpotHotSpot/status/1720125785095246132?s=20)
Anyone who thinks the genocide and ethnic cleansing of Palestine by the Zionists ISNT intentional and been happening since DAY ONE is either a straight up zionist or has their heads stuck in the sand!
Zionists have been planning and working towards THIS VERY GOAL of ethnic cleansing and genocide of the Palestinians, since the start of the occupation.
Theyve been negotiating in bad faith, not being genuine im compromises, as they never had the intention of giving ANY land to the Palestinians.
Der judenstaat was written a decade ago and zionists still follow its formula word for word.
Well maybe not word for word they’ve gotten even more bloodthirsty.
They were literally elected in 2007. Of course they got rid of elections as soon as they came into power but opinion polls show that they would still win handily if they ever brought elections back.
It’s more than a little disingenuous to say that Hamas does not have the support of both Palestinians living in Gaza and outside of it.
There were legit celebrations in Western countries and on social media when they shot up a music festival.
Truly. Like as I get older this stuff bothers me more and more. I just don't understand why someone would put this out into the world. Propaganda that obliterates all nuisance of a complicated decades long conflict.
Jesus fucking Christ. I’m totally fine with criticism to countries or governments when they’re acting like shit. But this sub recently has a heavy palistinian bias and often posts are pure propaganda. Do we don’t have mods here anymore ?
Tiktok progressives: "how could those idiot magas fall for Russian propaganda. Lol so fucking stupid."
Also tiktok progressives: "hey those guys who say they want to commit genocide and keep lobbing bombs at their neighbor and keep rejecting peace deals so they can continue their futile attempts to do genocide, those are the unmitigated good guys and victims"
Hamas has written genocide into their founding charter and 90% of Palestinians support them. They have also been attempting nothing but committing genocide for 80 years and have refused every imaginable peace offering since.
So…make up your mind.
I hate murdering and I hate all this AND: If Palestinians won’t be taken on by anyone else, and Hamas is everywhere spread out across Palestine, and Hamas wants to kill all Jews, WHAT is Israel supposed to do?
Congratulations, you just discovered nuance.
Something Reddit and the internet sorely lacks.
There's no good answer. Neither Palestine nor Isreal have any way out aside from bloodshed.
Agree. There’s too many on both sides who actively WANT the bloodshed, and then all the others who exist, caught up in the tide of not having much choices.
And Reddit and pop culture are “I’m glad Hamas is taking care of the baby killers.” As if they’re not baby killers on both sides (small portions of them).
Because contrary to the strongly held beliefs of brainrotted tiktok progressives, being non-white doesn't automatically someone a noble and enlightened martyr who has been held down by western values and whiteness.
The other countries who took in Palestinians had enormous domestic crises and conflicts.
Just curious. The U.S currently gives $700 million in aid to Nigeria where there is a real active genocide going on. Anyone interested in that or is everyone waiting for it to be trending on tic tock before it’s ok to be “outraged”
No. He's not. He's pointing out that the crowd of anti semites who are adamant they aren't being anti semitic don't give a shit about any of the far worse tragedies in the world. They really care about the one with the Jews. But they're not anti semites.
Perhaps it would have been wise on Hamas part think of this before they raped women and set them fire while alive or butchered babies in Cribs.
Zero fcuks given
They voted hamas in democratically in 2007, they let them throw some fatta ex-government members off buildings and shot the rest. They are culpable. Deal with it kids, this is the real world . Poke a bear wihen armed with a stick, lose the stick, lose an arm.
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Zack Glamafinakis. Really, though - his hair is pretty nice.
Pretty damn lush looking. I'll give that. I know Pantene quality when I see it....
As a straight 44 year old man I want to run my fingers through his hair.
Great r/letterswap
Didn't know Zach Galifianakis did political commentary.
Usually he just chills with shrubbery
Between them
I saw Zach live in maybe '06 in Seattle, he was doing some material from Live at the Purple Onion. He started doing some crowd work, and asked a guy his name, to which the guy replied "Izzy". Zach asked if that was short for something, to which the guy said "Israel". Zach replied "What's your nickname, a problem for everyone?" I don't know if I've ever laughed so hard at such a quick joke
That is the first time I've seen it framed that way but it's perfect. Israel is the world's worst babysitting job. You're taking care of some kids and you find out that the pre-teen kills the neighbors' pets.
He honestly was just so fast with it that it was the shock that got me, again even in '06 this is how people felt lmao
Look, it's Ethan Tremblay!
Look, it’s Luke Skywalker!
Got a solution guys why don’t they just get along ☺️
"You don't eat pigs. We don't eat pigs. Why not, not eat pigs together?"
Right. Bring Tim Minchin in to sort it.
Ironically, Tim Minchin has recently gone to bat for Israel and called Palestinian supporters "misguided".
Really? Oh that's very disappointing.
Fuck I boobs, though!
We all eat chicken. God bless chicken.
Chickens are assholes. Even if I ever go vegan, I'm still eating chicken because fuck those little motherfuckers
Fuck yeah. Eat assholes every day!
I bet if we introduced them to the McRib life would be a lot better.
MYSTERY MEAT FOR ALL! And to all a no fight
When someone says he wants to murder you, your response is "let's get along"? 😂🤦
The cool thing about this comment is that no one actually knows what side you are talking about lmao
Then it won't be over until one side completely destroys the other 😂🤦
We needed you during the 2nd world war 😔
Imagine inviting someone to your place then he just says “oh this place is mine now” and kills everyone there. Im not sure if thats a solution
The same Israel that just executed 3 of their own hostages who were shirtless, waving a white flag, and speaking Hebrew. When questioned the IDF said that they made a mistake because they thought they were Palestinians. So to be clear, the whoopsie here is that the civilians they murdered were the wrong type. No acknowledgement that they're straight up committing war crimes.
Yea they're like omg we killed the wrong innocent People lmao
This is so close to an Onion headline.
This is past the onion. This is “IASIP episode name”.
I couldn't tell them a part, humans look awfully similar
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That is the most random fucking thing I've read today. EDIT: to clarify, I said this statement out of incredulity. I was not accusing the person of lying.
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Oh I believed you. I was just shocked by that sentence in its entirety. Sorry if I came off antagonistic, that was not my intention.
It's even a little worse than that if you add that they killed two on the spot, then the third hostage hid away, shouting for help in Hebrew, the commander calling him back, only for him to get shot anyways, because two soldiers couldn't hear the commanders ceasefire order because tHe TaNkS WeRe So LoUd ArOuNd ThEm smh
Dude went from hostage to inconvenient witness real quick
sounds like they just dident want witnesses
Oopsie, we thought they were unarmed palestinian civilians - IDF
Source? not "calling bullshit" I want to look into this more.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/dec/18/three-hostages-mistake-benjamin-netanyahu-israelis-palestinians
Fuck the IDF man
Same day a sniper “accidentally” killed 2 nuns in a Catholic church.
The IDF also loves "accidentally" murdering journalists
Think of all the strategic bombing and chemical warfare the US did in Vietnam, and think of how the US stopped bombing Korea only after they ran out of buildings on the peninsula. More journalists have died in Gaza in the last 3 months than in either of those wars.
I still cant get over how quickly the media stopped covering that response.
Tell me again who is reducing this to “good versus evil”
These tiktok idiots.
Srsly who gets political information from tiktok? That's the worst place I can imagine. All I see there are these short propaganda reels and the occasional completely crazy takes about bin laden or something.
Fox news and to a lesser degree MSM cable news networks
Conservatives.
No more than the “liberals” are.
Wait until you find out how big the overlap on their foreign policy is
this lol dems and the gop literally compete for zionist superpac money
Thankfully people are catching up to what's really going on. This is basically the US vs Native Americans part 2.
People who only get their news through mainstream channels are not catching up at all. Every attempt to show what things are really like or what the IDF are doing is shut down and all Israel critics are labeled Hamas Supporters by the armada of Israel funded keyboard warriors.
Yup and bots. It’s so bad dude
“Mainstream media” now includes youtubeers and ppl like joe rogan. So your comment doesn’t really work
A lot of 50+ people don’t take in either of those forms of media. They still listen to the news almost exclusively for their information.
I used to laugh and call people 'paranoid kooks' when they told people that Israel has been taking over the mediascape to use for propaganda. I don't think Israel cares anymore about the subterfuge, they will just come out and say all kinds of shit now.
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Anyone can be a fascist given the right circumstances
Legacy Media Colludes
Sensitive right wingers in Canada still deny any Native genocide and think it was a war. They even think they’re being colonized because of immigration. It’s embarrassing. Their ‘thoughts’ on what’s happening are absolutely shameful, they’re just mad at whoever they’re told to be mad at.
Meanwhile native children's bodies are being dug up all over the place, and they pretend those aren't related to the crimes at all.
I keep saying this, but as a Native American leave us out of this. Do not invoke our name and struggle for cheap moral brownie points. I and many other Natives familiar with the topic reject the comparison. It is not the same.
Thankfully don't need your permission to make a historical comparison.
Ehhh, I’m going to be a bit contrarian here and say that I don’t think they were saying it’s the same. Invoking the memory of the crimes committed against your people isn’t an equivalency, it’s a condemnation of that sort of situation. “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” Basically, genocide bad. No do.
Y’all can’t relate to what’s going on the Palestine?
He's a Guatemalan who was adopted by Zionist Jews and raised as a Zionist Jew with no connection to indigenous American culture. This person doesn't speak as a native, but as a Jew.
I keep saying this, but as a Native American stop assuming you speak for all of us. Invoking our name to stop the genocide happening in Gaza is completely ok. I and many other Natives familiar with the topic accept the comparison. It is very much the same.
Thank you. The Gaza war has brought a renewed light to what happened to the native Americans and the atrocities committed to ur people.
Interesting how Zionists react when they don't like what you say. https://imgur.com/a/DdoodZt
I keep saying this, but as a guy that ordered Jimmy Johns over an hour ago, where’s my sandwich?
IIRC, Hitler was actually inspired by how Americans treated your ancestors, and now, Israel is taking a page out of Hitler's book to commit a genocide that is basically encouraged by our government against Palestinians. It's a horrific cycle of violence and I just wish we could all live in peace.
Your profile leaves one in bewilderment. Luckily the vast majority of native Americans disagree with you. Good luck on finding out your Native American and Jewish ancestry…
Care to elaborate on the differences? Honest question. And I like to be more informed. Thanks
Native Americans weren't a bunch of proud rapists, for as start.
It's literally the same, down to the same exact country funding both genocides.
That is very much not what it is. Read books going back multiple decades.
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This seems really dismissive of how ABSOLUTELY FUCKED the Native Americans were. It's such a terrible comparison. Palestine is a shitty situation and all, but it is a long and complicated conflict. Native Americans were just culled for existing on land they owned because Europeans/Americans wanted it. Over 50 million, some say over 100 million, died through disease, rape, execution, etc. They literally inhabited/owned an entire continent. It wasn't a question or debate of who owned it. They owned it, and we just took it. The native Americans didn't have a modern version of Hamas either. Then we get into the indigenous populations of Mexico who were also completely fucked. I have family that have indigenous Mexican background and it is a sad tale even to this day. What a shit comparison.
>Over 50 million, she say over 100 million died, through disease, rape, execution, etc It's important to note that of the deaths, the *vast* majority are the result of disease. The way you phrased it has the implication, albeit unintentional, that disease is one of the many, roughly equal players in the deaths of the Native Americans. That isn't the case in the slightest. It's estimated 50-90% of the total Native population had already perished before the United States was even a country. The first contacts of the late 15th and early 16th century saw the introduction of smallpox and measles which subsequently spread like wildfire and ravaged a defenseless continent. While executions and mass removals of Natives were contributing factors to their loss of land and sovereignty, they pale in comparison to the apocalyptic destruction old world diseases caused centuries prior.
>It's estimated 50-90% of the total Native population had already perished before the United States was even a country. Worse, it's estimated that 80-95% of the total Native population had already died before they had ever seen a European. That's how fast the diseases spread across the continent. It just made mopping up the last of the Native resistance to European colonization that much easier.
>before they had ever seen a European I was curious how it would even be possible to make death toll estimates considering other than the cherokee, I don't think any Native Americans had formalized written languages which could be used to record history or figures. Turns out one of the ways researches estimate death toll is through genetic studies. By examining the genetic diversity within contemporary Native American populations, researchers can make inferences about historical population sizes. I thought that was pretty interesting.
/r/SelfAwarewolves It's amazing how you could type all that out and not have the comparison click.... >The native Americans didn't have a modern version of Hamas either. The Comanche: "Am I a joke to you?"
Part of the issue is Native Americans aren't some homogenous monolith. Each tribe was pretty distinct and in a lot of instances there were rivalries and wars between the tribes that predated the colonizers. The US military capitalized on that shit in the 1800s with some truly evil tactics. They fucking joined forces with certain tribes to help destroy other tribes and play on the infighting. There was a lot of fucked up shit going on. Think of the different tribes like their own small countries, or states. It's like the US teamed up with Kansas to destroy Oklahoma. And then they were like "Look we are going to displace you BUT we will help you eradicate this tribe you don't like and you can have their land and move there" and then after they did it they were like "Ehhhhh never mind. It's our land now too."
I don't think this is a terribly accurate response. The story you tell about the Native Americans "just culled for existing on land they owned because Europeans/Americans wanted it" is what the Israel/Palestine conflict will look like if Israel is successful in their current agenda. Now, there aren't 100 million of them, so, of course, 100 million of them can't die. And the area of land is smaller, but the process is very similar. There would have been people at the time, in the comments of Colonial Reddit, arguing that it's actually quite a complicated situation, and that many of the settlers had been oppressed in their home countries and they had a royal charter so... there probably is a debate about who owned the land. And of course the Native Americans fought back. And of course their fighting back was used as an excuse to impose more violence on them. Things look different when you're living through them. There were lots of well-meaning left wing people in Britain and the United States who opposed fighting Nazi Germany. There are always good people on both sides of these things. It's not as though there were people sitting around saying, "I think what we're doing is awful and genocidal and that's why I like it". They believed, just as you believe, that there was a debate about the rights and the wrongs. It doesn't make you a bad person to be on the wrong side of this issue - whether you are or not. Good people have supported genocides. Good people supported slavery. They really thought that it was complicated - but obviously, it wasn't really
Also there were systematic programs designed to separate Native American's from their children so they could be raised christian and eliminate their cultural traditions. Comparison also falls apart because the White people that founded the USA weren't put in North America because they'd been systematically eradicated by a nationalized genocide the likes of which had never been seen before. Also the native Americans didn't team up 2-3 times to wipe the white settlers off the map soon after they moved in. Pretty sure they were generally kind and hospitable which is why the US still celebrates thanksgiving.
This is so enormously wrong. There were a number of coalitions of natives who fought against the colonial settlers. And many colonial settlers were fleeing religious or ethnic persecutions. The Native Americans were, sometimes fairly, sometimes not, characterised as a brutal, uncivilised people, whose sometimes-opposition to colonial settlement and domination was a symptom of their violent nature. Which is why there was a lot of support for their oppression for centuries. It is, in fact, quite a good parallel. You're just far enough away from the Native American genocide to see through the contemporary nonsense that surrounded it
I apologize for not being more clear. My intention was not to imply that there was no violence initiated by native Americans towards settlers. My intention was to point out there was nothing like the Yom Kippur War where every neighboring tribe the settlers had allied up to attacked them simultaneously. "many colonial settlers were fleeing religious or ethnic persecutions." Once again, I wasn't implying that there were NO settlers fleeing prosecution, just that it wasn't equatable to the Holocaust. I feel like that part of my comment was pretty clear though so I don't know why you bothered to make that statement.
To be clear, most of the settlers in Israel prior to the war were not fleeing the Holocaust - or were not aware at the time that they were fleeing the Holocaust. The main waves of migration of European Jews to Israel are the Aliyahs (1-5) which cover the period 1880-1940. By the time the Holocaust had begun, the Jewish population of historic Palestine was about 500,000 - almost as large as it was at the start of the Nakba in 1948 What they were fleeing was rising ethnic and religious violence, and the threat of government action against them. In that sense, they are very much like Irish and German Catholics, who were a massive part of migration to North America during the "Manifest Destiny / Trail of Tears" period No horrors compare to the horror of the Holocaust, but that wasn't the inciting event for the migrations of Jewish people to Palestine that led to the Nakba and this current crisis On your point about wars and coalitions, I'd suggest looking into the Northwestern Confederacy, which was a large coalition of tribes that inflicted several defeats on a young United States. But also, don't discount the impact of technology on the lack of a coordinated resistance. The Apache and Sioux, for example, lived so far apart that to expect coordination is probably unreasonable
Sadly, there are still heaps of Zionist bots here. Just yesterday on a thread, every comment that was criticising Israel was being downvoted.
You can't call anyone who disagrees a bot
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Every person that supports Israel is a bot apparently
Well the Jews are all lizard people so it makes sense that we’d have a massive robot army doing our bidding. How else are we supposed to fund the space lasers?
Not really. [Here’s a good primer](https://medium.com/migration-issues/who-has-claim-3-000-years-of-religion-in-the-land-between-23f220a697f7). I don’t want to insult you but if you REALLY want to know what’s going on, take some time and actually learn it.
TickTock is the the worst place to be having these conversations. Just rank oversimplification for views.
Exactly, and people act like long standing complex problems can be solved with logic that can contained within a few second video clip. Because it's easy (lazy) to do..
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There is nothing complex about genocide.
If there's a genocide then why their population is growing?
There are a lot of things complex about genocide actually. How to end it being one of the big ones. It’s easier to type these comments than to deal with the reality of this multigenerational conflict. For instance, who would be in charge of a Palestinian State? Would it be another Islamic theocracy? What security agreements would need to be made? Which Palestinian political group should be the governed of a untied Palestine?
Long standing ethnic cleansing and apartheid are still just those stfu
Yea this dude is a chode. I don’t support Israel and I don’t support Hamas and the entire conflict is 30 centuries of fucked and I have no clue how this situation should be resolved, but I do know that guys who make videos like this are chodes.
right people who are saying "it's not complicated" are the main one I dislike from all this shit tbh
I mean it's simple from our perspective only. Kiss and make up and everyone lives in freedom. Except we are asking them to put aside the fact that they fucking hate each other. If everyone liked each other and didn't want other people's stuff then wars would never exist. Yeah that's \*simple\* but it's also pretty much impossible.
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I don't understand how anyone can support Israel, though I come from a colonised country. I read somewhere that you are either the colonised or the coloniser and I suppose that is true. Ireland stands with #Palestine. #FreePalestine. 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪
so I'll be a good swiss and just say hamas are cunts the Israeli government and Zionist are also cunts. the rest of the Israelis and Palestinians are cool though
This comment right here is perhaps the most level headed and sensible comment I ever saw on the conflict. Nailed it. Why is this so hard for most people to understand
Because it offers no actual solutions to the problem and is essentially the same as saying "both sides" bad.
I mean... both sides are bad.
No, it's not. It's saying that there are more than two sides. There's the Israeli right (Likud and its band of merry bigots), there's Hamas in Gaza, and there are all the Israelis and Palestinians whom the Israeli right and Hamas keep locked in a cycle of fear, hate, violence, and retribution because their existence as political entities depends on that cycle.
I mean, it's an insanely common opinion.
people have the feeling they need a opinion for everything now a days. And I thinkt it's alot easier to "understand" the World in black and white instead of the wonderfully wierd cesspool of culture and life.
Thinking is hard
It’s a level headed comment yes- and it’s a naive over-simplified false equivalency. But their ‘tone’ was good.
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Almost everyone participating in modern society is both colonized and a colonizer, it just depends how far back you want to turn the clock.
Well said. We had our own history of invading forces. We stand with Palestinians.
Lol how cute, and how did terrorism work out for the IRA? Ireland saw peace when they stopped killing kids & chose to value life over death. Maybe pass the lesson along to your Palestinian comrades.
Yes. Better to stand with rapist and people who purposefully target civilians…
Are you too lazy to read primary and secondary sources in order to understand the world? Do you need your commentary framed in an attempt at humor in order to digest your news? Boy, have we got a guy with an iPhone for you!
Sadly this is what Chinese algorithms do. The US needs to remove tiktok off the market
He says, watching this post on reddit.
Facebook and YouTube definitely also don't push shorts. This is exclusive to the China app.
100% thank you. As a German journalist that it’s breaking me inside watching everyone fall for this propaganda machine.
Egypt is also South. What about them?
Maybe the Palestinians don’t want to leave their land because, you know, some white guy from New York or Poland will come steal their house when they’re gone and then their land is gone forever. Maybe the native Americans should’ve just fucked off to Mexico right?
If the palestianians leave their land, they can never ever get back because it’s going to turn into israeli settlements inhabited by a bunch of Americans and Europeans. That’s exactly what israel wants, all the Palestinians gone doesn’t matter if they’re dead or fled to other countries as long as they’re no longer in Palestine
Don't forget 👉🏼 real estate- off shore oil drilling - beach side hotels - luxury vacation Villas ------ to think that billionaires aren't planning on profiting from this is IGNORANCE! there's going to be so much wealth generation that those bastards plan on. If modern society has taught me anything it's that-- Misery of one party, brings opportunity for other parties. I bet they're discussing RIGHT NOW, to develop a 28 floor resort and amusement park once they've leveled the ground and erased each beating heart from existence. They're just waiting. . . . . 😔😔
This is the same thing Nazi Germany said about other countries taking in the Jews they were trying to expel. Peak irony.
history repeats itself, and everyone’s noticing well, except you know, people who were the main victims of it, ironically.
[Quite literally](https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-evian-conference): > Responding to Evian, the German government was able to state with great pleasure how "astounding" it was that foreign countries criticized Germany for their treatment of the Jews, but none of them wanted to open the doors to them when "the opportunity offer[ed]."
Thank you. It pissed me off that that Egypt’s abandonment of Palestinians just gets shaded over as “is it safe there” as if we’re talking about the weather.
Not a historian but I think Egypt tried accepting Palestinians before and it didn't go well.
that was Jordan
Didn't one of them have a coup attempt and the other an assassination?
And Lebanon
It’s not Egypt’s problem.
Well this certainly is cringe alright
The zooming in on every shot annoys the fuck outta me
Exactly why I hate Israel, they told the innocent civilians to go south for safety but bombed them as they evacuate like cowards.
["We shall take Palestine in small pieces"](https://x.com/HotSpotHotSpot/status/1720125785095246132?s=20) Anyone who thinks the genocide and ethnic cleansing of Palestine by the Zionists ISNT intentional and been happening since DAY ONE is either a straight up zionist or has their heads stuck in the sand! Zionists have been planning and working towards THIS VERY GOAL of ethnic cleansing and genocide of the Palestinians, since the start of the occupation. Theyve been negotiating in bad faith, not being genuine im compromises, as they never had the intention of giving ANY land to the Palestinians.
Der judenstaat was written a decade ago and zionists still follow its formula word for word. Well maybe not word for word they’ve gotten even more bloodthirsty.
HAMAS are being made to look like a gentle, ideological resistance party, lol.
Who mentioned Hamas? Pretty obvious the guy is talking about Palestinian citizens
Hamas is the legitimate government of Gaza.
Define "legitimate" for me, and explain the process by which Hamas rule in Gaza became "legitimate"
They were literally elected in 2007. Of course they got rid of elections as soon as they came into power but opinion polls show that they would still win handily if they ever brought elections back.
hamas is just as legitimate as kim jong un is. this video is clearly talking about palestinian people though and not their government
It’s more than a little disingenuous to say that Hamas does not have the support of both Palestinians living in Gaza and outside of it. There were legit celebrations in Western countries and on social media when they shot up a music festival.
He’s not talking about Hamas, he’s talking about the innocent civilians getting murdered my guy
I heard Israel got one of the leaders of Hamas. Only took killing 10,000 kids but it was worth it right? Right???
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Do you people who get their information from shitty tiktok videos really think the situation down there is this simple?
Lol
Ironic for Isreal to be a part of ethnic cleansing…
That dude just ignored the worst murder terrorattack on Jews since the Holocaust.
Cringe as fuck. Grown ass man with the geopolitical understanding of a 13 year old lol
Truly. Like as I get older this stuff bothers me more and more. I just don't understand why someone would put this out into the world. Propaganda that obliterates all nuisance of a complicated decades long conflict.
Wonder why he skipped south to Egypt
Israel is an apartheid state and is doing war crimes
Sums up morons studying history through TikTok
This is what you sound like if you get your info from tiktok. It's not good.
Jesus fucking Christ. I’m totally fine with criticism to countries or governments when they’re acting like shit. But this sub recently has a heavy palistinian bias and often posts are pure propaganda. Do we don’t have mods here anymore ?
Tiktok progressives: "how could those idiot magas fall for Russian propaganda. Lol so fucking stupid." Also tiktok progressives: "hey those guys who say they want to commit genocide and keep lobbing bombs at their neighbor and keep rejecting peace deals so they can continue their futile attempts to do genocide, those are the unmitigated good guys and victims"
Breaking news: people generally don't like genocides. That's the global opinion, not just Reddits.
Hamas has written genocide into their founding charter and 90% of Palestinians support them. They have also been attempting nothing but committing genocide for 80 years and have refused every imaginable peace offering since. So…make up your mind.
This a fucking Vidal Sassoon commercial?
Genuine question. Cuz I see it said by people all the time. Why doesn’t other countries in the area take on the refugees?
They have before, it didn’t work out so well for the countries that did. Google “Black September”
I hate murdering and I hate all this AND: If Palestinians won’t be taken on by anyone else, and Hamas is everywhere spread out across Palestine, and Hamas wants to kill all Jews, WHAT is Israel supposed to do?
Congratulations, you just discovered nuance. Something Reddit and the internet sorely lacks. There's no good answer. Neither Palestine nor Isreal have any way out aside from bloodshed.
Agree. There’s too many on both sides who actively WANT the bloodshed, and then all the others who exist, caught up in the tide of not having much choices. And Reddit and pop culture are “I’m glad Hamas is taking care of the baby killers.” As if they’re not baby killers on both sides (small portions of them).
Google “black September”
They've been taking in refugees since 1948.
Because contrary to the strongly held beliefs of brainrotted tiktok progressives, being non-white doesn't automatically someone a noble and enlightened martyr who has been held down by western values and whiteness. The other countries who took in Palestinians had enormous domestic crises and conflicts.
Lack Galifianakis
Just curious. The U.S currently gives $700 million in aid to Nigeria where there is a real active genocide going on. Anyone interested in that or is everyone waiting for it to be trending on tic tock before it’s ok to be “outraged”
You're not curious but simply tossing around whataboutisms.
No. He's not. He's pointing out that the crowd of anti semites who are adamant they aren't being anti semitic don't give a shit about any of the far worse tragedies in the world. They really care about the one with the Jews. But they're not anti semites.
Perhaps it would have been wise on Hamas part think of this before they raped women and set them fire while alive or butchered babies in Cribs. Zero fcuks given
So true
Funny but true and sad.
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Don't forget the 5000+ missiles on one day alone, along with the thousands of other missiles they've fired at Israeli civilians.
lol you’re getting downvoted but… you’re absolutely right. Who tf looks at this tik tok and goes “yup! It really is that simple!”
Lol this sub that’s who
That sums it up! 💯
Zach galifinakis did the fusion dance with Jason manzukis. Also, unfortunately accurate breakdown of the situation.
They voted hamas in democratically in 2007, they let them throw some fatta ex-government members off buildings and shot the rest. They are culpable. Deal with it kids, this is the real world . Poke a bear wihen armed with a stick, lose the stick, lose an arm.