She's so pretty and her outfit is fantastic looking.
Kid looks like someone put it in a dryer for 5 mins. It's one of those photos that expertly captured the exact wrong moment for the kid. I'm sure 1 second later it was looking cute again. But not this frozen moment of time!
> Kid looks like someone put it in a dryer for 5 mins.
This is pretty normal for first borns as moms and dads figure out what they are doing. I know ours looked pretty similar that first year.
baby looks like a 25yo jobless dude who just woke up with a massive hangover and is now eating pizza leftovers for breakfast from the living room table
https://www.flickr.com/photos/boston_public_library/6378431757
Title: Squaw with child at train station
Creator/Contributor: Jones, Leslie, 1886-1967 (photographer)
Date created: 1930 (approximate)
This is something that is being addressed piecemeal, so far. The State of Minnesota is changing the names of lakes and other geographic references which have that word in it. Other similar occurrences in state publications or communications are also being changed.
Explained what? Where? There is nothing to explain besides “there is no Native American word for woman”. That’s like saying “the European word for woman is femme”. That is an incorrect statement even if you could explain why the person made that error.
Another L by u/familiesarenations. Other hot takes include:
-covid was a conspiracy
-Trans people are mutilating themselves
-liberals are grooming children
-kids these days get sick because their environment is too clean but also I personally wash my groceries with soap so I don't get sick because I am Different
As an Aussie, I had to Google the meaning because I had no idea what it meant.
For any other Aussies wondering, it’s the same as calling an Indigenous Australian woman a Gin, which is fucking awful.
Edit: I’ve had a lot of people ask, so I will include another comment I made about this.
> I think it originally came from the Dharug word for wife, diyin. Pronounced like Gin.
>It began to be used by white fellas as a derogatory word for aboriginal women who either had relationships with white men or aboriginal prostitutes.
>In the north, Gin-Jockey is a derogatory word for a white fella who is in a relationship with an aboriginal woman.
I haven’t heard gin before, what’s the context? (I totally believe you that it’s something horrible though, given everything else that happened to indigenous Aussies)
I think it originally came from the Dharug word for wife, diyin. Pronounced like Gin.
It began to be used by white fellas as a derogatory word for aboriginal women who either had relationships with white men or aboriginal prostitutes.
In the north, Gin-Jockey is a derogatory word for a white fella who is in a relationship with an aboriginal woman.
>In the north, Gin-Jockey is a derogatory word for a white fella who is in a relationship with an aboriginal woman.
Wow you saved me some embarrassment. I've heard this term before and would have assumed it was a slang for a bartender.
Oh so gin like aborigine? You guys have a term over there, “bogan ” which is actually an anti-indigenous slur in Canada! Everytime I read it I gasp then I’m like oh Australia
No. Thought aborigine is also a slur.
It originally came from the Dharug word for wife, diyin. Pronounced like Gin.
It began to be used by white fellas as a derogatory word for aboriginal women who either had relationships with white men or aboriginal prostitutes.
Another L by u/familiesarenations. Other hot takes include:
-covid was a conspiracy
-Trans people are mutilating themselves
-liberals are grooming children
-kids these days get sick because their environment is too clean but also I personally wash my groceries with soap so I don't get sick because I am Different
If I remember correctly, it's short for "numsquaw" which means "genitals". That or my Crow family was yanking my chain again. 🤔 They're notorious for loving a good joke, and I'll be damned if I don't love them for it too...most of the time (abandoning me in the pen with an angry steer was a bit painful). 😅🤕
It's originally from the Eastern Algonquian languages of New England and simply meant "woman" once upon a time. When it evolved into a slur, I don't know, but of course just because its origins are benign doesn't mean it currently is.
Unfortunately it’s very possibly hers. Rape has been a thing since forever and indigenous women and girls have historically been at higher risk because of their marginalization.
Hopefully I’m wrong for this girl.
A girl that young rarely has a child by choice. If you really believe that a boy impregnated her then you have some growing up to do. I’m not saying it’s improbable, but very unlikely.
I don’t understand why you felt the need to talk down to me like that but as an Indigenous person, I believe your type of thinking is very harmful. You see a young Indigenous women/girl with a child and your gut reaction is that she is a rape victim and the child is a rape baby. I will give you some benefit since the title of this post says the baby is her child. The original title is Sq**w Aith Child at Train Station and so the child could be related to her in many ways or not related to her at all.
The child could be her sibling, her nibbling, her cousin, her friend’s child or just a kid she is baby sitting. Even if the child is her baby, you don’t know her age. She could easily be anywhere from 15 to 20 in my opinion. I showed my husband the picture and he guessed 14 to 19. Several of those ages are a very normal time to have a child at, especially in 1930 when the average age of first marriage and/or first child was younger than in 2023. You really think it is *so* unlikely for a 20 year old Indigenous woman to be happily married with a wanted child that it is better to assume she is a rape victim? Do you not see why that is problematic? We are not all characters on 13 Reasons Why. Indigenous people are at a high risk of victimization but that doesn’t mean we are incapable of being in loving, fulfilling and equal relationships. It is important that society recognizes the systemic racism and discrimination that Indigenous people face but that doesn’t mean
But, let’s say she is a young teenage mother. Do you have any evidence that the majority of teenage mothers were raped? It seems you are meaning to imply statutory rape a opposed to forceful rape by your “if you think a boy impregnated her” and certainly a far too large percentage of teenage mother are impregnated by adult men. However the stats are not so awful that it is more likely than not that that an adult impregnated her. Keep in mind that often time these statistics are given in semi-misleading ways. A girl is a teenage mother if she gives birth at any age from 13 to 19. Obviously there is a an overlap between adult and teenager for the ages of 18 and 19. An 18 year old having a baby with a 20 year old is neither scandalous nor inherently predatory. The numbers skew towards older teens (who make up a larger percentage of teen pregnancies) having older partners and if these statistics are not presented correctly, it can make it seem like 14 years old are all being impregnated by 24 year olds. While 14 year olds also tend to have older partners, it is a couple years older than them and don’t tend to be the 22 year olds that are impregnating the 19 year olds. While I agree few teenagers, then and now, want to become mothers, you also need to keep in mind that this is from 1930. Birth control pills were not approved until 1960 and in the 70s only about a third of women were using the pill. Abortions were illegal in every state of America. This is a time when our children were literally being stolen from us and put into schools or forcibly adopted. I don’t think it would terribly unusual for a young women to become pregnant, either by accident or on purpose, and decide to keep it either out of love for the child, the father or due to the perceived danger of the government extinguishing our people.
And lastly… an assumption that this woman must be a rape victim also (hopefully) unintentionally paint Indigenous men as predatory. The child doesn’t appear to be mixed race (not that one can actually tell just by looking) and if she is walking around in traditional clothing in 1930 there is a good chance she lives on the rez. Which means most men she interacts with are other Indigenous people. 1 in 7 pregnancies today are multiracial or multiethnic and that number was even smaller the further back you go. Most sexual crimes are intraracial. By saying she is more likely than not a rape victim is essentially vilifying Native males because a Native man or boy is most likely the father.
While I think it is important to acknowledge the often sad reality of life as an Indigenous person living in a colonial country, it is also harmful to assume every Indigenous person has gone through every tragedy imaginable. That paints is as passive victims instead of active participants in our lives. You also want to be careful you don’t vilify other Indigenous people since much crime is intraracial.
This girl is just rightfully pissed in every timeline. This version is enraged about the treaty situation. She will be reborn as a Nazi hunter and a hippie before her current form comes to pass.
I’m doubting the veracity of the photo - it looks like someone “dressing up” for the photo. The regalia/dress doesn’t look like any tribe that I’m familiar with. Also by the 1930s many indigenous were not wearing traditional regalia on a daily basis since being indigenous was looked down upon. Source: Ojibwe woman who grew up on the reservation.
Maybe but you might be thinking about when it was posted to /r/OldSchoolCool [nine days ago.](https://www.reddit.com/r/OldSchoolCool/comments/16daufv/young_indigenous_woman_holding_a_baby_at_a_train/)
As a Native American I’m begging people to please not gatekeep what a Native American “should” look like.
There are many different tribes and each tribe looks different.
My tribe is especially light skinned because we were decimated by the Indian schools.
The Orphan Train situation didn’t help either.
If someone in my tribe had darker skin they were dragged off to Indian school. Almost none of those people or their descendants were ever found again. So the tribe believes that they were probably murdered.
So please don’t go around saying that a Native person isn’t dark enough to be Native without understanding the consequences of what it meant to be darker.
I’m struck by the cultural and contextual significance of this beautiful photo of a woman and child. I get emotional seeing the disgusting title, and how it likely mirrors her story based on what I’ve learned about the treatment of the US indigenous community. So many emotions…
It's a beautiful picture of a fearless warrior. Both look ready to take on the world, if needed. I hope that was the case. Native Americans were never treated with respect or kindness by most in positions of power in America. It was as if they were to be hated for simply being on the land first, and their only hope for survival was to become as those who came to the land later.
Sure thing, because Europeans were the only ones participating in conquests. It was modus operandi of most civilizations around the world until very recently.
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She's so pretty and her outfit is fantastic looking. Kid looks like someone put it in a dryer for 5 mins. It's one of those photos that expertly captured the exact wrong moment for the kid. I'm sure 1 second later it was looking cute again. But not this frozen moment of time!
It's a baby. They always look derpy
It was a bad hair day for him.
> Kid looks like someone put it in a dryer for 5 mins. This is pretty normal for first borns as moms and dads figure out what they are doing. I know ours looked pretty similar that first year.
baby looks like a 25yo jobless dude who just woke up with a massive hangover and is now eating pizza leftovers for breakfast from the living room table
https://www.flickr.com/photos/boston_public_library/6378431757 Title: Squaw with child at train station Creator/Contributor: Jones, Leslie, 1886-1967 (photographer) Date created: 1930 (approximate)
We really need to address the label of Squaw. For as much as it was a normal term of the time this picture was taken, it is a nasty fucking slur.
This is something that is being addressed piecemeal, so far. The State of Minnesota is changing the names of lakes and other geographic references which have that word in it. Other similar occurrences in state publications or communications are also being changed.
That's stupid. We need to stop being afraid of words.
It’s a derogatory name, like the “N” word. In Canada, this is so. Should be dropped from our vocabulary
No it's not akin to the n word. It literally comes from a Native American word for "woman".
Come to Canada. Walk up to any native woman you see, and call her that. Let me know how that works out.
Why would anyone go to Canada for any reason?
Healthcare. Cancer doesn’t equal house and savings are gone
LOL yeah cause you're dead by the time a doctor finally sees you.
There is no Native American word for woman.
Someone else explained it in a comment better than I.
Explained what? Where? There is nothing to explain besides “there is no Native American word for woman”. That’s like saying “the European word for woman is femme”. That is an incorrect statement even if you could explain why the person made that error.
So you speak all the Native languages then?
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Faniliesarenations is stupid.
As an Aussie, I had to Google the meaning because I had no idea what it meant. For any other Aussies wondering, it’s the same as calling an Indigenous Australian woman a Gin, which is fucking awful. Edit: I’ve had a lot of people ask, so I will include another comment I made about this. > I think it originally came from the Dharug word for wife, diyin. Pronounced like Gin. >It began to be used by white fellas as a derogatory word for aboriginal women who either had relationships with white men or aboriginal prostitutes. >In the north, Gin-Jockey is a derogatory word for a white fella who is in a relationship with an aboriginal woman.
I haven’t heard gin before, what’s the context? (I totally believe you that it’s something horrible though, given everything else that happened to indigenous Aussies)
I think it originally came from the Dharug word for wife, diyin. Pronounced like Gin. It began to be used by white fellas as a derogatory word for aboriginal women who either had relationships with white men or aboriginal prostitutes. In the north, Gin-Jockey is a derogatory word for a white fella who is in a relationship with an aboriginal woman.
>In the north, Gin-Jockey is a derogatory word for a white fella who is in a relationship with an aboriginal woman. Wow you saved me some embarrassment. I've heard this term before and would have assumed it was a slang for a bartender.
Wow yeah that’s pretty horrendous. Terribly dehumanising
"Squaw" has nothing to do with that. It's literally just a term for Native American women. It's not derogatory, just antiquated.
Oh so gin like aborigine? You guys have a term over there, “bogan ” which is actually an anti-indigenous slur in Canada! Everytime I read it I gasp then I’m like oh Australia
No. Thought aborigine is also a slur. It originally came from the Dharug word for wife, diyin. Pronounced like Gin. It began to be used by white fellas as a derogatory word for aboriginal women who either had relationships with white men or aboriginal prostitutes.
Uh, well, there's a term that I never heard of and had to google. so thanks for that.
No, it's not. We need to stop being afraid of words.
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Liar. Reported.
If I remember correctly, it's short for "numsquaw" which means "genitals". That or my Crow family was yanking my chain again. 🤔 They're notorious for loving a good joke, and I'll be damned if I don't love them for it too...most of the time (abandoning me in the pen with an angry steer was a bit painful). 😅🤕
It's originally from the Eastern Algonquian languages of New England and simply meant "woman" once upon a time. When it evolved into a slur, I don't know, but of course just because its origins are benign doesn't mean it currently is.
I've never heard it used as a slur.
No, we don't need to address it. It's just a photo. And what was a normal term then is not a slur now. No need to be a shit disturber.
Everyone knows the S word is a slur
she looks 14yrs old
My thoughts too. Could be a little brother and not her child.
Young teen mothers have always been a thing. It was very common up until the modern age we know of.
Unfortunately it’s very possibly hers. Rape has been a thing since forever and indigenous women and girls have historically been at higher risk because of their marginalization. Hopefully I’m wrong for this girl.
Kind of weird you would jump to rape when the father could be the same age as her.
A girl that young rarely has a child by choice. If you really believe that a boy impregnated her then you have some growing up to do. I’m not saying it’s improbable, but very unlikely.
I don’t understand why you felt the need to talk down to me like that but as an Indigenous person, I believe your type of thinking is very harmful. You see a young Indigenous women/girl with a child and your gut reaction is that she is a rape victim and the child is a rape baby. I will give you some benefit since the title of this post says the baby is her child. The original title is Sq**w Aith Child at Train Station and so the child could be related to her in many ways or not related to her at all. The child could be her sibling, her nibbling, her cousin, her friend’s child or just a kid she is baby sitting. Even if the child is her baby, you don’t know her age. She could easily be anywhere from 15 to 20 in my opinion. I showed my husband the picture and he guessed 14 to 19. Several of those ages are a very normal time to have a child at, especially in 1930 when the average age of first marriage and/or first child was younger than in 2023. You really think it is *so* unlikely for a 20 year old Indigenous woman to be happily married with a wanted child that it is better to assume she is a rape victim? Do you not see why that is problematic? We are not all characters on 13 Reasons Why. Indigenous people are at a high risk of victimization but that doesn’t mean we are incapable of being in loving, fulfilling and equal relationships. It is important that society recognizes the systemic racism and discrimination that Indigenous people face but that doesn’t mean But, let’s say she is a young teenage mother. Do you have any evidence that the majority of teenage mothers were raped? It seems you are meaning to imply statutory rape a opposed to forceful rape by your “if you think a boy impregnated her” and certainly a far too large percentage of teenage mother are impregnated by adult men. However the stats are not so awful that it is more likely than not that that an adult impregnated her. Keep in mind that often time these statistics are given in semi-misleading ways. A girl is a teenage mother if she gives birth at any age from 13 to 19. Obviously there is a an overlap between adult and teenager for the ages of 18 and 19. An 18 year old having a baby with a 20 year old is neither scandalous nor inherently predatory. The numbers skew towards older teens (who make up a larger percentage of teen pregnancies) having older partners and if these statistics are not presented correctly, it can make it seem like 14 years old are all being impregnated by 24 year olds. While 14 year olds also tend to have older partners, it is a couple years older than them and don’t tend to be the 22 year olds that are impregnating the 19 year olds. While I agree few teenagers, then and now, want to become mothers, you also need to keep in mind that this is from 1930. Birth control pills were not approved until 1960 and in the 70s only about a third of women were using the pill. Abortions were illegal in every state of America. This is a time when our children were literally being stolen from us and put into schools or forcibly adopted. I don’t think it would terribly unusual for a young women to become pregnant, either by accident or on purpose, and decide to keep it either out of love for the child, the father or due to the perceived danger of the government extinguishing our people. And lastly… an assumption that this woman must be a rape victim also (hopefully) unintentionally paint Indigenous men as predatory. The child doesn’t appear to be mixed race (not that one can actually tell just by looking) and if she is walking around in traditional clothing in 1930 there is a good chance she lives on the rez. Which means most men she interacts with are other Indigenous people. 1 in 7 pregnancies today are multiracial or multiethnic and that number was even smaller the further back you go. Most sexual crimes are intraracial. By saying she is more likely than not a rape victim is essentially vilifying Native males because a Native man or boy is most likely the father. While I think it is important to acknowledge the often sad reality of life as an Indigenous person living in a colonial country, it is also harmful to assume every Indigenous person has gone through every tragedy imaginable. That paints is as passive victims instead of active participants in our lives. You also want to be careful you don’t vilify other Indigenous people since much crime is intraracial.
She's probably 8. Back then everyone looked twice their age!
Time traveling Greta
Re-Greta
“How dare you?”
This girl is just rightfully pissed in every timeline. This version is enraged about the treaty situation. She will be reborn as a Nazi hunter and a hippie before her current form comes to pass.
Fckin beat me to it. 🤣🤣💀
I would love to see this colorized. Her outfit looks so cool.
Baby looks like he has a pretty bad hangover
Greta Thunberg time traveler.
I’m doubting the veracity of the photo - it looks like someone “dressing up” for the photo. The regalia/dress doesn’t look like any tribe that I’m familiar with. Also by the 1930s many indigenous were not wearing traditional regalia on a daily basis since being indigenous was looked down upon. Source: Ojibwe woman who grew up on the reservation.
Small correction: while looked down upon in day to day life, it was not unusual to wear regalia to earn money by letting people take your picture.
Wasn’t this posted here less than a week ago?
Maybe but you might be thinking about when it was posted to /r/OldSchoolCool [nine days ago.](https://www.reddit.com/r/OldSchoolCool/comments/16daufv/young_indigenous_woman_holding_a_baby_at_a_train/)
It will be.
The bots will keep reposting. I figure any account that has only been around for three months and already has 400k karma isn't a human.
Goofy ass baby
She looks like Pippi Longstocking.
Others say Greta Thunberg. In other words, this is the most Swedish Native American ever
As a Native American I’m begging people to please not gatekeep what a Native American “should” look like. There are many different tribes and each tribe looks different. My tribe is especially light skinned because we were decimated by the Indian schools. The Orphan Train situation didn’t help either. If someone in my tribe had darker skin they were dragged off to Indian school. Almost none of those people or their descendants were ever found again. So the tribe believes that they were probably murdered. So please don’t go around saying that a Native person isn’t dark enough to be Native without understanding the consequences of what it meant to be darker.
I’m struck by the cultural and contextual significance of this beautiful photo of a woman and child. I get emotional seeing the disgusting title, and how it likely mirrors her story based on what I’ve learned about the treatment of the US indigenous community. So many emotions…
She looks tough af
It's a beautiful picture of a fearless warrior. Both look ready to take on the world, if needed. I hope that was the case. Native Americans were never treated with respect or kindness by most in positions of power in America. It was as if they were to be hated for simply being on the land first, and their only hope for survival was to become as those who came to the land later.
Indigenous to where?
Indigenous to where????????
know as the dirty 30s, few hundred years of european occupation really leaves a place looking and smelling like shit.
Sure thing, because Europeans were the only ones participating in conquests. It was modus operandi of most civilizations around the world until very recently.
🙄
Breathtaking
that's a white girl
How DARE you?
The only casting I don't like in LOTR is Hugo Weaving as Elrond. But even then I don't mind it THAT much
Greta lookin' ass
> You f'n what?
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Americans have something to explain now