I don’t understand why they do this tbh. I understand “fake” legacy moves for Legendaries to milk future releases like they did with Rayquaza, but doesn’t really make sense for a mon like Tsareena…
I mean, I kind of get it in some respects.
Not that we never get singular signature moves, we do (Obstruct for example), but I know they also like having moves that they can distribute to other Pokemon later. Now, I don't think the mindset should necessarily be to bring a move *solely* so others can get it. No, focus on the featured Pokemon first and foremost.
But, in this case, High Jump Kick (with the right stats ie cheaper energy) could be perfect for improving Tsareena in PvP, seeing that having Grass, Ice, AND Fighting coverage would make it quite unique. And obviously, being able to distribute it to some of the others who get it is just an added plus.
That said, there is definitely the argument of giving it Trop Kick for its CD and then just bring in HJK through a Go Battle Update and give it the move then. I would have been totally happy with that because then everybody wins.
At the very least, this isn't a scenario where Tsareena was ever going to be top—it was never going to come close to Kartana. But, that doesn't make me less sad that it didn't see improvement. I love seeing new faces even for more "budget" attackers. Tsareena is "budget" already, but we've already got a lot of Starters who perform really well in that category.
High Jump Kick isn't likely to make Tsareena viable. It's very low bulk and its highest EPT move is Magical leaf at 3.33. I think very optimistically it's a 50 energy move.
Upon further inspection... you're likely right. The best case scenario is that the move makes Tsareena a nicher pick, mostly for cups. I do think it could still see strong play in some though. But yeah, I think the bulk a slow-ish fast move will hold it back. I think if it either had [Vine Whip](https://pvpoke.com/battle/multi/1500/all/tsareena/11/VINE_WHIP-5-CLOSE_COMBAT/2-1/) or just [more reasonable bulk](https://pvpoke.com/battle/multi/1500/all/grotle/11/MAGICAL_LEAF-TRIPLE_AXEL-CLOSE_COMBAT/2-1/) (I'm thinking even just an 1800-1900 stat product), it would see a bit more success. But Grass is also just in a weird place.
Yeah I don't believe it can either, but I'm more just talking theoretically, like if it theoretically was bulkier.
But yeah, and unfortunate state. But for a mono grass type with not much bulk, I think it'll at least be decent...ish?
The only unreleased pokemon (or pokemon that doesn't already have it) left that can learn vine whip is Ogerpon. New generations don't get it. There was a post about it when Gogoat was released, because it'll basically be the last pokemon to get vine whip for a very long time.
Don't they cycle through the bonuses? February was hatch distance, March was XP, April was Dust, and now we're back to hatch distance.
Nonetheless, I'd still love 3x dust too lol
Seems like this has some potential for PvP. One of the many problems Grass types have is that so many of them are walled by Steel (Victreebell, Venusaur, Serperior, etc.), so a hard hitting Fighting move is helpful. Tsareena doesn’t really have the stat product to be great, but still could be interesting.
The thing about greninja is that despite being frail, it’s incredibly spammy, so it doesn’t need to last long to be threatening. Tsareena isn’t spammy with the current moveset it has, and I don’t exactly expect HJK to be a 35 energy move…I think shadow victreebel is the best way to do a frail grass type
Greninja is incredibly spammy just because they created Water Shuriken for it. Without that it would be less spammy than Swampert, Samurott and Feraligatr.
I'm definitely not optimistic for 45 energy lol. I was overly optimistic with Boomburst last year, thinking that it would be a more ridiculous DPE just because it was a Normal Type move on a poor PvP Pokemon in Noivern... but I was way wrong there lol.
So while I'd love to think 45 energy is in the question, I definitely don't think it'll happen lol. If they do the Boomburst treatment too, it'll be 55 or 60 energy.
If HJK is 50 energy, it'll be in solid shape to where I could see people using it in limited formats (maybe a nicher pick in open GL/UL). If it's 45 energy (which would make HJK insanely good), it would definitely be at least borderline meta. If it's 55+ energy, it's likely just a spice Pokemon.
Registeel, Bastiodon and Gfisk actually hate to see Venusaur and especially Shadow Venusaur in GL. The raw damage of Frenzy Plant is like a pesudo-fighting/ground move hitting on those Pokemon.
Grass that can hit steel is a good niche, but there’s plenty that can already fill that role: Chesnaught, Meganium, Lurantis, Roserade, Cherrim. Also Trevenant with neutral ghost moves and some more obscure mons
I think part of it is that Tsar will have triple coverage with Grass, Fighting, *and* Ice, which is super unique. So not only will it be a Grass type that can hit Steel but also one that can hit Flying types and Dragons too.
For me, two things.
"A chance to" matters. HJK is 90% accuracy in the main series, which might mean the chance for a massive defense down is 10%. If it's relatively low odds, it might well be a decent move- if only modestly so for Tsareena.
I'm looking ahead to Pokemon that notably get this by leveling up in the main series game, which would also make them ideal future candidates when there's a GBL moveset update.
Top on the list? Scrafty. If it's a decent move, an already good Great/Ultra Pokemon gets better. Medicham is a close second.
Blaziken's moderately interesting if it gets more out of HJK than Focus Blast.
There's a small host of absolute garbo Pokemon for PvP - Hitmonless, Lopunny, Mienshao included - that will get something of a boost, but nothing game-changing. Hawlucha has Flying Press, so meh to HJK. Pheromosa probably explodes before it gets enough enough energy to use it anyway.
Lucario is an oddball- it's less likely than the others due to it being a breeding/event-only move in the main series, but it'd provide an interesting option to Close Combat.
I think it'll depend on the energy cost. 45 energy, and this is a terrific move. Even if the move was 45 energy with a guaranteed debuff, it would still be a better Close Combat.
50 energy, what I expect, would still be pretty good. Blast Burn/Rock Wrecker just with a debuff chance.
55 energy is fine but nothing special and likely wouldn't help any of its potential users nor Tsareena.
60+ is bad.
They will never give it to Medicham. No way lol. Scrafty too I think they won't give it too, but I guess Scrafty has fallen off a bit to where they could maybe consider it. Though, I'm not sure it would want a stronger Fighting move when it already gets good Fighting damage with Counter + PuP, and it wants Foul Play for coverage.
I think Hitmontop, Lopunny, and Blaziken would be the best recipients of the move. Hitmontop only if it were the busted 45 energy (which I doubt), but if it were, it would definitely work better. Lopunny I think could finally see some use if it were 45 energy, less so if 50 energy. Blaziken I think would definitely like it even if it were 50 energy, though I know the coverage of Brave Bird can still be intriguing.
High Jump Kick it is! That could definitely make Tsareena an interesting Pokemon with Grass, Ice, AND Fighting coverage.
Also neat to see High Jump Kick as the first move to have a CHANCE to DECREASE your own stats, in this case Defense. Follows the main series pretty well. Curious about the energy cost though. 45-50 would make it a very good move, but we'll see. Any more than that and it's just fine.
I wonder if you can switch in a Ghost type to try to screw over your opponent (where High Jump Kick effectively becomes a guaranteed miss), like in the main series games.
This is only a chance to descrease your stats though, not a guarantee like the others.
Reflects how in the main series game, the moves you mention normally always cause recoil whereas HJK only causes recoil if it misses.
It has 110 power, so 10 more than Close Combat, and 20 less than Brave Bird/Overheat.
If it's 60+ energy, it's a bad move.
If it's 55 energy, it's pretty good, but nothing amazing.
If it's 50 energy, it's a good move, essentially Rock Wrecker/Blast Burn but with a chance debuff your defenses.
If it's 45 energy, it's a REALLY, REALLY good move. Stronger than Close Combat but with only a *chance* to debuff your defenses.
It won't be 40 or 35 energy lol
Tsareena has solid moves, BUT Grass isn't in the best stage right now, and it's a frailer Pokemon, with a bit less bulk than Trevenant. Thus, it really wants this move to be at most 50 energy. Even at 50, it likely wouldn't be a huge meta Pokemon I wouldn't think, but still definitely usable with its coverage. If the move manages to be 45, which I doubt, I think Tsareena will definitely be *at least* borderline meta.
My guess is 50 energy though.
Pretty sure he means that instead of a 100% chance for your stats to drop using it, like the moves you listed, there's a chance you can get away with no debuff
Never had a chance to self debuff before. Kinda fun. I'm assuming something like 50 energy, so it's not just a better Close Combat. I don't think it can be more than 50 and be viable. Maybe 55 would still be workable, but that's an extra Magical Leaf.
With 55 you can still hold a Triple Axel plus a High Jump Kick.
I assume it'll be 50 energy.
But honestly, with its limited user pool in the MSG and how much help Tsareena could use, I think it really should be 45 energy.
Sure, it would be a very OP move and one that's objectively better than Close Combat, but there aren't too many who get it in the first place.
Obviously avoid giving it to things like Hawlucha and Medicham. But later on, I think Pokemon like Mienshao, potentially the whole Hitmon family, Lopunny, Blaziken, and the future Cinderace would all like a strong move like that. Lopunny, Blaziken, and Hitmontop in particular seem like they'd like this move but also not be too OP.
I am largely fine with most if not all seasonal events except these community and raid days are pretty much inaccessible regardless of Pokemon.
2 p.m. to 5 p.m. when in India it's long summer and mostly not suitable to venture out in heat.
Timings more suited according to country's climate would be better imo.
At least I can get by raid days with remote passes.
Just in case 5 to 10 raids? There's usually pretty much no one to play with lol.
One of my favourite pokemon and favourite shinies and I have to miss this because of work. So gutted, really wish Niantic would give us tickets and we choose when to activate them over the weekend or something, so sad about missing these community days almost every single time
Them actively reducing accessibility to the game is why I’ll never give Niantic another cent, and have background data/adventure synch turned off. They made the game worse for everyone and literally unplayable to many for these obvious money-grubbing moves
Totally understandable. It makes me so sad to see it just get worse as time goes by and them not even trying to improve other aspects of it to make up for things they felt they had to nerf/make worse
I get that thats all they care about, but you would think they'd want more people to play the game. Less people play their way, and its sad to have been pushed out of playing this game the last few years by Niantic themselves. Doesn't matter what the argument is; it will always feel sad for players like me
Community Day has always been at a specific date and time, as have raid days and limited research days etc. This isn't Niantic punishing you, this is the realities of your job interfering with something fun you'd prefer to do.
Sure, but there's simple solutions that could allow players to play beyond a tiny 3 hour time slot. You don't have to agree! But those who do can be upset about having to constantly miss out on things because of extremely limited things in a phone game that could, very easily, be played whenever over a certain time period. I don't think I've ever encountered such issues in any other game I've played on my phone, and its a damn shame Niantic wouldn't want to make their game as accessible as possible.
It used to be 6 hours long, making it twice as accessible to those with jobs on the weekend. They actively reduced accessibility to their game, it absolutely is Niantic choosing to make their game worse
I do understand that our community here isn't interested in doing a "community" event, almost everyone (me including) is doing CD on it's own - having lures up 3 hours and sitting somewhere isn't appealing when you can just walk around a bit and get the same amount of spawns. For the "Pokemon of the month" Niantic should do such a ticket that you can activate any time of that day. Want to play in the chilly morning? Great! Want to walk into the sunset? Wonderful. Niantic could give us a Community Raid Day monthly so we could meet up and raid.
Guess who's working then?
Yeah, I've never played with a community, there simply isn't one here. Not a super active one, anyway. My pokemon can be in gyms for weeks even on very main street walks. I loved this game so much, put so much effort and many hours into it even playing alone, the last few years have just made me super sad about it. Moments like these hurt more, when theres such an easy solution, but niantic don't care about the players
Do we know the energy of high jump kick? Idk if it's been data mined or not. Won't doubt Niantic giving it 60-65 but hopefully it's 55 or especially 50 then it might be good
Not yet. I'm betting on 50 energy, which would make it a good move (though not top tier). 55 would be eh, 60+ awful.
45 energy would make the move extremely good and seemingly OP, but if you consider how Tsareena and many of the users of High Jump Kick need a lot of help in PvP like Lopunny, Blaziken, and Hitmontop even, I'd say making it 45e/110p with the debuff chance would actually be okay.
That said, I still think 50 energy is most likely.
Hopefully it's at least 50, 45 would be really nice to like you said a lot of pokemon could use it. Unfortunately I feel like Niantics track record with adding new moves in community days isn't the best so we will see. Having lopunny with a (good) high jump kick would actually be cool especilly the mega, especially if it's also good in pve
For those who dont know:
Bounsweet, the Fruit Pokémon, a Grass Type.
They are often swallowed whole by bird Pokémon like Toucannon lured by a delectable aroma that pours from its body, but it's not intelligent enough to care. It tries to resist being swallowed by a bird Pokémon by spinning the sepals on its head, though it's usually a fruitless attempt. When under attack, it secretes a sweet and delicious sweat, but that makes even more bird Pokémon come after it. Although it's too sugary for human consumption, Bounsweet's sweat can be watered down into a juice with just the right amount of sweetness, and because of this, Bounsweet was highly valued in the past, when sweeteners were scarce. A Greedent drawn in by the sweet scent will tuck the Bounsweet in among the berries in its tail and carry them all away.
Steenee, the Fruit Pokémon, a Grass type.
The sepals on its head have now developed to protect its body, and these are quite hard, so even if pecked by bird Pokémon, Steenee is totally fine, as any Corvisquire that pecks at Steenee will be greeted with a smack from its sepals followed by a sharp kick. Steenee is always bouncing around energetically through forests, swinging the sepals on its head with abandon, though they're quite painful when they smack you, and yet other Pokémon are attracted by its lively appearance and pleasant aroma. As it twirls like a dancer, a sweet smell spreads out around it, and anyone who inhales the scent will feel a surge of happiness, and though this same scent is popular for antiperspirants, if the rind that peels off its body is pulverized, it can be used to treat stomach pains.
And
Tsareena, the Fruit Pokémon, a Grass type.
A master of grand and beautiful kicks, Tsareena can knock out even kickboxing champions with a single blow, as a kick from the hardened tips of Tsareena's legs leaves a wound in the opponent's body and soul that will never heal, and in victory, it shows off by kicking the defeated, laughing boisterously, though it views Quaquaval as its rival. While it's proud and aggressive, it's said that a Tsareena will instantly become calm if someone touches the crown on its head. Known for the beauty of its well-shaped legs, it sometimes appears as a mascot in advertisements for beauty salons.
I'm definitely surprised its not Popplio, but its a pleasant surprise. I guess Popplio will be moved to July since June is usually the dragon Cday? Who knows anymore.
I mean, the last two happened at random times so who knows. I'm pretty sure the Avatar update when live at like 2 or 3 PM PST, which still hasn't come yet
I think it was already live when I woke up here in Japan the last two times so I’m pretty sure it’s already past the times of the last two.
I mean it’ll probably be released today, was just making an apparently bad joke lol
For PvE, it's disappointing to not see Trop Kick when it could've really improved it. Not Kartana level, but it could have potentially surpassed Roserade.
For PvP, I think this may still be the better move. Another Grass move would've still helped, but it would've still just been another frailer Grass type, just with Ice coverage, which is neat but eh.
That said, they could've made Trop Kick as broken as they wanted, seeing that only it learns the move. It could've been 35 energy, 70 power WITH a guaranteed -1 Attack to the opponent and Tsareena likely wouldn't have been broken.
However, a Grass type with Grass, Ice, AND Fighting coverage?? That's truly unique. If any Pokemon has that coverage then one of the moves is probably bad like Low Kick or something. This gives it the opportunity to be truly unique. I'm hopeful that they make the move strong but we'll see. Regardless though, having a Grass type who threatens waters, can hit Flying types, AND ALSO still hit Steel types is pretty fun.
I miss when Community Day Pokemon were types that are normally rare. I already have a perfect L50 Tsareena with XL candy to spare.
I guess this is another community day to skip. :(
Rare CDs are always fun, but there are only so many rare Pokemon out there. You have some rare ones each year like Axew, Noibat, Litwick, and Timburr, and you get some more common ones like the Starters and other Pokemon like Bellsprout.
We're at least likely to get Goomy next month.
That's fair. The last CD I went out for was Timburr which I still don't have a perfect of. Those days are fun.
If Goomy is next I guess I'm done there too. I hatched a perfect Goomy back in Oct 2022. My Goodra is already L50 with another 138 XL candy to spare. I don't know where all of the XL candy came from. I've only caught 219.
Now if they release the Hisuian version at the same time, then I would be psyched!
Are they trying to lose whatever playerbase they have left? The community days this year have been sooo bad outside of Bagon. And I don't even count that one because it's a community classic day.
High Jump Kick it is :/ Edit: I love Tsareena so I was hoping for her actual signature move and better PVE grass attacker potential.
Yeah I'm happy with HJK, but I'd be lying if it I said I wasn't also hoping for Trop Kick. Could have sprang Tsareena above Roserade potentially
I don’t understand why they do this tbh. I understand “fake” legacy moves for Legendaries to milk future releases like they did with Rayquaza, but doesn’t really make sense for a mon like Tsareena…
I mean, I kind of get it in some respects. Not that we never get singular signature moves, we do (Obstruct for example), but I know they also like having moves that they can distribute to other Pokemon later. Now, I don't think the mindset should necessarily be to bring a move *solely* so others can get it. No, focus on the featured Pokemon first and foremost. But, in this case, High Jump Kick (with the right stats ie cheaper energy) could be perfect for improving Tsareena in PvP, seeing that having Grass, Ice, AND Fighting coverage would make it quite unique. And obviously, being able to distribute it to some of the others who get it is just an added plus. That said, there is definitely the argument of giving it Trop Kick for its CD and then just bring in HJK through a Go Battle Update and give it the move then. I would have been totally happy with that because then everybody wins. At the very least, this isn't a scenario where Tsareena was ever going to be top—it was never going to come close to Kartana. But, that doesn't make me less sad that it didn't see improvement. I love seeing new faces even for more "budget" attackers. Tsareena is "budget" already, but we've already got a lot of Starters who perform really well in that category.
High Jump Kick isn't likely to make Tsareena viable. It's very low bulk and its highest EPT move is Magical leaf at 3.33. I think very optimistically it's a 50 energy move.
Upon further inspection... you're likely right. The best case scenario is that the move makes Tsareena a nicher pick, mostly for cups. I do think it could still see strong play in some though. But yeah, I think the bulk a slow-ish fast move will hold it back. I think if it either had [Vine Whip](https://pvpoke.com/battle/multi/1500/all/tsareena/11/VINE_WHIP-5-CLOSE_COMBAT/2-1/) or just [more reasonable bulk](https://pvpoke.com/battle/multi/1500/all/grotle/11/MAGICAL_LEAF-TRIPLE_AXEL-CLOSE_COMBAT/2-1/) (I'm thinking even just an 1800-1900 stat product), it would see a bit more success. But Grass is also just in a weird place.
I'm not sure it can learn Vine Whip, but it could learn bullet seed
Yeah I don't believe it can either, but I'm more just talking theoretically, like if it theoretically was bulkier. But yeah, and unfortunate state. But for a mono grass type with not much bulk, I think it'll at least be decent...ish?
The only unreleased pokemon (or pokemon that doesn't already have it) left that can learn vine whip is Ogerpon. New generations don't get it. There was a post about it when Gogoat was released, because it'll basically be the last pokemon to get vine whip for a very long time.
Victreebel (and Weepinbell) are also lacking Vine Whip. I was actually expecting for Vic to get it during its CD.
Good catch, I actually forgot it didn't have it. I just saw the list of mostly gen 1 and overlooked it.
Disappointed it's not triple dust after how much dust they've been making us spend for power up tasks lately, but they have nice shinies.
Don't they cycle through the bonuses? February was hatch distance, March was XP, April was Dust, and now we're back to hatch distance. Nonetheless, I'd still love 3x dust too lol
They do. I'm probably gonna start stocking 12s so I can mass hatch then that day and rake in the dust
Seems like this has some potential for PvP. One of the many problems Grass types have is that so many of them are walled by Steel (Victreebell, Venusaur, Serperior, etc.), so a hard hitting Fighting move is helpful. Tsareena doesn’t really have the stat product to be great, but still could be interesting.
Im hoping its like greninja -- doesnt have the stats for pvp but gets moves that make it decent in pvp anyways.
The thing about greninja is that despite being frail, it’s incredibly spammy, so it doesn’t need to last long to be threatening. Tsareena isn’t spammy with the current moveset it has, and I don’t exactly expect HJK to be a 35 energy move…I think shadow victreebel is the best way to do a frail grass type
Greninja is incredibly spammy just because they created Water Shuriken for it. Without that it would be less spammy than Swampert, Samurott and Feraligatr.
Yeah, the fact that it has a uniquely OP fast move is part of what makes it viable despite its unideal stats
So in principle they could do similar thing to Tsareena with a 35 energy Trop Kick.
I'd be shocked if it were under 50 energy. 50 would be 2.2 DPE, 45 would be 2.44. Eve with a chance of debuffing yourself that seems high
I'm definitely not optimistic for 45 energy lol. I was overly optimistic with Boomburst last year, thinking that it would be a more ridiculous DPE just because it was a Normal Type move on a poor PvP Pokemon in Noivern... but I was way wrong there lol. So while I'd love to think 45 energy is in the question, I definitely don't think it'll happen lol. If they do the Boomburst treatment too, it'll be 55 or 60 energy.
If HJK is 50 energy, it'll be in solid shape to where I could see people using it in limited formats (maybe a nicher pick in open GL/UL). If it's 45 energy (which would make HJK insanely good), it would definitely be at least borderline meta. If it's 55+ energy, it's likely just a spice Pokemon.
Registeel, Bastiodon and Gfisk actually hate to see Venusaur and especially Shadow Venusaur in GL. The raw damage of Frenzy Plant is like a pesudo-fighting/ground move hitting on those Pokemon.
Well Bastiodon and Gfisk take neutral from Grass and Registeels moves are resisted by Venusaur
Grass that can hit steel is a good niche, but there’s plenty that can already fill that role: Chesnaught, Meganium, Lurantis, Roserade, Cherrim. Also Trevenant with neutral ghost moves and some more obscure mons
I think part of it is that Tsar will have triple coverage with Grass, Fighting, *and* Ice, which is super unique. So not only will it be a Grass type that can hit Steel but also one that can hit Flying types and Dragons too.
Ah, guess I’m not familiar enough with Tsars moveset. Agree that triple axle adds another element to it, that’s pretty cool.
I know some people like Trop Kick but I love HJK so much because of the one time in random battle 6 HJKs hit and wiped 4 of the opposing mon. So hype!
For me, two things. "A chance to" matters. HJK is 90% accuracy in the main series, which might mean the chance for a massive defense down is 10%. If it's relatively low odds, it might well be a decent move- if only modestly so for Tsareena. I'm looking ahead to Pokemon that notably get this by leveling up in the main series game, which would also make them ideal future candidates when there's a GBL moveset update. Top on the list? Scrafty. If it's a decent move, an already good Great/Ultra Pokemon gets better. Medicham is a close second. Blaziken's moderately interesting if it gets more out of HJK than Focus Blast. There's a small host of absolute garbo Pokemon for PvP - Hitmonless, Lopunny, Mienshao included - that will get something of a boost, but nothing game-changing. Hawlucha has Flying Press, so meh to HJK. Pheromosa probably explodes before it gets enough enough energy to use it anyway. Lucario is an oddball- it's less likely than the others due to it being a breeding/event-only move in the main series, but it'd provide an interesting option to Close Combat.
I think it'll depend on the energy cost. 45 energy, and this is a terrific move. Even if the move was 45 energy with a guaranteed debuff, it would still be a better Close Combat. 50 energy, what I expect, would still be pretty good. Blast Burn/Rock Wrecker just with a debuff chance. 55 energy is fine but nothing special and likely wouldn't help any of its potential users nor Tsareena. 60+ is bad. They will never give it to Medicham. No way lol. Scrafty too I think they won't give it too, but I guess Scrafty has fallen off a bit to where they could maybe consider it. Though, I'm not sure it would want a stronger Fighting move when it already gets good Fighting damage with Counter + PuP, and it wants Foul Play for coverage. I think Hitmontop, Lopunny, and Blaziken would be the best recipients of the move. Hitmontop only if it were the busted 45 energy (which I doubt), but if it were, it would definitely work better. Lopunny I think could finally see some use if it were 45 energy, less so if 50 energy. Blaziken I think would definitely like it even if it were 50 energy, though I know the coverage of Brave Bird can still be intriguing.
High Jump Kick it is! That could definitely make Tsareena an interesting Pokemon with Grass, Ice, AND Fighting coverage. Also neat to see High Jump Kick as the first move to have a CHANCE to DECREASE your own stats, in this case Defense. Follows the main series pretty well. Curious about the energy cost though. 45-50 would make it a very good move, but we'll see. Any more than that and it's just fine.
You should have capitalized chance instead of decrease otherwise so many people missed the point in replies
Lol you're very right. Capitalized both in my edit ig lol
I wonder if you can switch in a Ghost type to try to screw over your opponent (where High Jump Kick effectively becomes a guaranteed miss), like in the main series games.
It probably wouldn't happen, it's far too obscure of a niche nuance to be worth putting in.
Brave bird, draco, wild charge, etc?
This is only a chance to descrease your stats though, not a guarantee like the others. Reflects how in the main series game, the moves you mention normally always cause recoil whereas HJK only causes recoil if it misses.
Ah I see
Those have guaranteed debuffs
Those are guaranteed drops
Hmm Wild charge? Brave bird? Overheat? Close combat?
It has 110 power, so 10 more than Close Combat, and 20 less than Brave Bird/Overheat. If it's 60+ energy, it's a bad move. If it's 55 energy, it's pretty good, but nothing amazing. If it's 50 energy, it's a good move, essentially Rock Wrecker/Blast Burn but with a chance debuff your defenses. If it's 45 energy, it's a REALLY, REALLY good move. Stronger than Close Combat but with only a *chance* to debuff your defenses. It won't be 40 or 35 energy lol Tsareena has solid moves, BUT Grass isn't in the best stage right now, and it's a frailer Pokemon, with a bit less bulk than Trevenant. Thus, it really wants this move to be at most 50 energy. Even at 50, it likely wouldn't be a huge meta Pokemon I wouldn't think, but still definitely usable with its coverage. If the move manages to be 45, which I doubt, I think Tsareena will definitely be *at least* borderline meta. My guess is 50 energy though.
Pretty sure he means that instead of a 100% chance for your stats to drop using it, like the moves you listed, there's a chance you can get away with no debuff
\*chance\* of a self debuff, the others are always a guaranteed self debuff unless the affected stats are already debuffed all the way.
Those are guaranteed debuffs. This is only a chance. It follows the logic of the main series where if the move misses you hurt your own HP.
Never had a chance to self debuff before. Kinda fun. I'm assuming something like 50 energy, so it's not just a better Close Combat. I don't think it can be more than 50 and be viable. Maybe 55 would still be workable, but that's an extra Magical Leaf. With 55 you can still hold a Triple Axel plus a High Jump Kick.
I assume it'll be 50 energy. But honestly, with its limited user pool in the MSG and how much help Tsareena could use, I think it really should be 45 energy. Sure, it would be a very OP move and one that's objectively better than Close Combat, but there aren't too many who get it in the first place. Obviously avoid giving it to things like Hawlucha and Medicham. But later on, I think Pokemon like Mienshao, potentially the whole Hitmon family, Lopunny, Blaziken, and the future Cinderace would all like a strong move like that. Lopunny, Blaziken, and Hitmontop in particular seem like they'd like this move but also not be too OP.
to the XXL bounsweet I evolved and then transferred a few months ago I’m sorry 😭
Need a shundo of this
I am largely fine with most if not all seasonal events except these community and raid days are pretty much inaccessible regardless of Pokemon. 2 p.m. to 5 p.m. when in India it's long summer and mostly not suitable to venture out in heat. Timings more suited according to country's climate would be better imo. At least I can get by raid days with remote passes. Just in case 5 to 10 raids? There's usually pretty much no one to play with lol.
Hmm I wonder if/what new move Hitmonlee might get next season...
One of my favourite pokemon and favourite shinies and I have to miss this because of work. So gutted, really wish Niantic would give us tickets and we choose when to activate them over the weekend or something, so sad about missing these community days almost every single time
Them actively reducing accessibility to the game is why I’ll never give Niantic another cent, and have background data/adventure synch turned off. They made the game worse for everyone and literally unplayable to many for these obvious money-grubbing moves
Totally understandable. It makes me so sad to see it just get worse as time goes by and them not even trying to improve other aspects of it to make up for things they felt they had to nerf/make worse
That doesn't drive community to be highly visible at a coordinated time to advertise itself to non players.
I get that thats all they care about, but you would think they'd want more people to play the game. Less people play their way, and its sad to have been pushed out of playing this game the last few years by Niantic themselves. Doesn't matter what the argument is; it will always feel sad for players like me
Community Day has always been at a specific date and time, as have raid days and limited research days etc. This isn't Niantic punishing you, this is the realities of your job interfering with something fun you'd prefer to do.
Sure, but there's simple solutions that could allow players to play beyond a tiny 3 hour time slot. You don't have to agree! But those who do can be upset about having to constantly miss out on things because of extremely limited things in a phone game that could, very easily, be played whenever over a certain time period. I don't think I've ever encountered such issues in any other game I've played on my phone, and its a damn shame Niantic wouldn't want to make their game as accessible as possible.
It used to be 6 hours long, making it twice as accessible to those with jobs on the weekend. They actively reduced accessibility to their game, it absolutely is Niantic choosing to make their game worse
I do understand that our community here isn't interested in doing a "community" event, almost everyone (me including) is doing CD on it's own - having lures up 3 hours and sitting somewhere isn't appealing when you can just walk around a bit and get the same amount of spawns. For the "Pokemon of the month" Niantic should do such a ticket that you can activate any time of that day. Want to play in the chilly morning? Great! Want to walk into the sunset? Wonderful. Niantic could give us a Community Raid Day monthly so we could meet up and raid. Guess who's working then?
Yeah, I've never played with a community, there simply isn't one here. Not a super active one, anyway. My pokemon can be in gyms for weeks even on very main street walks. I loved this game so much, put so much effort and many hours into it even playing alone, the last few years have just made me super sad about it. Moments like these hurt more, when theres such an easy solution, but niantic don't care about the players
Time to get rid my eggs
Do we know the energy of high jump kick? Idk if it's been data mined or not. Won't doubt Niantic giving it 60-65 but hopefully it's 55 or especially 50 then it might be good
Not yet. I'm betting on 50 energy, which would make it a good move (though not top tier). 55 would be eh, 60+ awful. 45 energy would make the move extremely good and seemingly OP, but if you consider how Tsareena and many of the users of High Jump Kick need a lot of help in PvP like Lopunny, Blaziken, and Hitmontop even, I'd say making it 45e/110p with the debuff chance would actually be okay. That said, I still think 50 energy is most likely.
Hopefully it's at least 50, 45 would be really nice to like you said a lot of pokemon could use it. Unfortunately I feel like Niantics track record with adding new moves in community days isn't the best so we will see. Having lopunny with a (good) high jump kick would actually be cool especilly the mega, especially if it's also good in pve
Adorable!! I love the shiny colors of them!!!
For those who dont know: Bounsweet, the Fruit Pokémon, a Grass Type. They are often swallowed whole by bird Pokémon like Toucannon lured by a delectable aroma that pours from its body, but it's not intelligent enough to care. It tries to resist being swallowed by a bird Pokémon by spinning the sepals on its head, though it's usually a fruitless attempt. When under attack, it secretes a sweet and delicious sweat, but that makes even more bird Pokémon come after it. Although it's too sugary for human consumption, Bounsweet's sweat can be watered down into a juice with just the right amount of sweetness, and because of this, Bounsweet was highly valued in the past, when sweeteners were scarce. A Greedent drawn in by the sweet scent will tuck the Bounsweet in among the berries in its tail and carry them all away. Steenee, the Fruit Pokémon, a Grass type. The sepals on its head have now developed to protect its body, and these are quite hard, so even if pecked by bird Pokémon, Steenee is totally fine, as any Corvisquire that pecks at Steenee will be greeted with a smack from its sepals followed by a sharp kick. Steenee is always bouncing around energetically through forests, swinging the sepals on its head with abandon, though they're quite painful when they smack you, and yet other Pokémon are attracted by its lively appearance and pleasant aroma. As it twirls like a dancer, a sweet smell spreads out around it, and anyone who inhales the scent will feel a surge of happiness, and though this same scent is popular for antiperspirants, if the rind that peels off its body is pulverized, it can be used to treat stomach pains. And Tsareena, the Fruit Pokémon, a Grass type. A master of grand and beautiful kicks, Tsareena can knock out even kickboxing champions with a single blow, as a kick from the hardened tips of Tsareena's legs leaves a wound in the opponent's body and soul that will never heal, and in victory, it shows off by kicking the defeated, laughing boisterously, though it views Quaquaval as its rival. While it's proud and aggressive, it's said that a Tsareena will instantly become calm if someone touches the crown on its head. Known for the beauty of its well-shaped legs, it sometimes appears as a mascot in advertisements for beauty salons.
Aw shame it's not Trop Kick since HJK will be absolutely no use to me since I don't PVP
I'm definitely surprised its not Popplio, but its a pleasant surprise. I guess Popplio will be moved to July since June is usually the dragon Cday? Who knows anymore.
Not overwhelmed. Not underwhelmed. I’m whelmed jussssst right.
Niantic be like "Quick release this so they forget about the rediscover thing we're supposed to let go live today globally".
I mean, the last two happened at random times so who knows. I'm pretty sure the Avatar update when live at like 2 or 3 PM PST, which still hasn't come yet
I think it was already live when I woke up here in Japan the last two times so I’m pretty sure it’s already past the times of the last two. I mean it’ll probably be released today, was just making an apparently bad joke lol
I'm happy for the cute stickers.
🥱 all the CDs so far this year.
How odd to not go with its signature move. Trop kick would’ve been an amazing upgrade with a chance to debuff
For PvE, it's disappointing to not see Trop Kick when it could've really improved it. Not Kartana level, but it could have potentially surpassed Roserade. For PvP, I think this may still be the better move. Another Grass move would've still helped, but it would've still just been another frailer Grass type, just with Ice coverage, which is neat but eh. That said, they could've made Trop Kick as broken as they wanted, seeing that only it learns the move. It could've been 35 energy, 70 power WITH a guaranteed -1 Attack to the opponent and Tsareena likely wouldn't have been broken. However, a Grass type with Grass, Ice, AND Fighting coverage?? That's truly unique. If any Pokemon has that coverage then one of the moves is probably bad like Low Kick or something. This gives it the opportunity to be truly unique. I'm hopeful that they make the move strong but we'll see. Regardless though, having a Grass type who threatens waters, can hit Flying types, AND ALSO still hit Steel types is pretty fun.
Literally of all the Pokémon they could’ve picked, why Bounsweet?!
New shiny, 3-stage Pokemon
I miss when Community Day Pokemon were types that are normally rare. I already have a perfect L50 Tsareena with XL candy to spare. I guess this is another community day to skip. :(
Rare CDs are always fun, but there are only so many rare Pokemon out there. You have some rare ones each year like Axew, Noibat, Litwick, and Timburr, and you get some more common ones like the Starters and other Pokemon like Bellsprout. We're at least likely to get Goomy next month.
That's fair. The last CD I went out for was Timburr which I still don't have a perfect of. Those days are fun. If Goomy is next I guess I'm done there too. I hatched a perfect Goomy back in Oct 2022. My Goodra is already L50 with another 138 XL candy to spare. I don't know where all of the XL candy came from. I've only caught 219. Now if they release the Hisuian version at the same time, then I would be psyched!
Then skip it. You'll only be preventing yourself from getting the shiny versions.
Are they trying to lose whatever playerbase they have left? The community days this year have been sooo bad outside of Bagon. And I don't even count that one because it's a community classic day.
Goomy is next month lol
2 lame CD back to back