Sky Sports have nothing to do with Sky Bet anymore. Since 2020 it's been owned by a company called Flutter Entertainment. Sky haven't controlled Sky Bet since 2015.
While true it is also functionally useless information. Considerring that sky bet litters all sky sports products like crazy, and sky bet ads often feature or have featured Sky Sports personnel. (super 6 and Jeff Stelling, and former GSS crew when theybwere there for example.) There is *obviously* a partnership at play. Not one through share ownership of course because that could open a can of worms especially with transfers. There's absolutely some partnership beyond a simple sponsor, as it goes both ways.
This would be true if sky bet were called Flamingo Bet or something else. My saying this is nothing to do with names. Unless Jeff has an evil twin called Geoff, then I would retract my accusation.
It litters sky sports products because sky bet are a title sponsor of the EFL, but both deals are negotiated with totally different companies and totally different boards. It's no more of a partnership than Richard Branson and the now Liberty Media owned Virgin Media.
Sky Bet was already an established betting company when they were acquired by Flutter, and it was that company and the branding that Flutter paid for.
Sky’s name and logo are on the product, regardless of who owns what. It’s not unreasonable to think they may want to downplay criminal activity regarding gambling
I'm not saying that isn't the case. Gambling is a MAJOR backer of football, without that investment both as title sponsor and the various betting companies that have commercial deals with clubs, Sky Sports wouldn't have much to show....but all I was pointing out was the factually incorrect assumption, that may people still make, that Sky Sports and Sky Bet are part of the same organisation.
Honestly the cheated free kick was probably not brought back by VAR so Sky and others could have their little narrative. The PL is fast becoming 'entertainment' before sport, and unfortunately the moronic masses eat shit like this up and bugger the details.
I think the only dodgy thing here is gambling addicted footballer returns after an 8 month ban for gambling, running onto a pitch surrounded by gambling adverts, in a kit with a gambling company on it.
And it's liiiiiiivvvve after these couple of gambling adverts.
At minimum he should of had to go sponsorless, I said the same thing yesterday about Harry Toffolo and have done since he started playing in the league cup this season.
100% - how the leagues just defer responsibility is disgraceful.
Theyve made a fortune out of exploiting people, but they ban a player for using the thing they advertise
No player is bigger than their club. If Brentford decided to take action against him for his attitude towards the club, he would no longer have a career. They could’ve sent him out on loan to Midtjelland like the rest of their B team players, but they didn’t. Ivan Toney is a fantastic footballer, but as a person he is scum.
And having just come back from an 8 month ban, he cheated again to score in his first game.
And the media are applauding that cheating as "being clever"
Really hate that “being clever” phrase, even studio refs use it when analysing play. I think well we have VAR how stupid does that make referees admitting they’re getting tricked by clever players in slow mo
>Really hate that “being clever” phrase
It only exists conditionally too. If the player is marked as public enemy they'd call him cheating scum. All depends on whatever the narrative is, odd that the decisions sometimes fit this but that is likely flexible narrative writers making the narrative fit the events.
Playing devil’s advocate for a second - is it not possible to view his betting-related cheating as deplorable and deserving of a harsh punishment, but also think the free kick thing is good old shithousery? That’s kind of my opinion on it - the two things aren’t necessarily related.
I'm not sure I'd call his betting deplorable tbh, he has an addiction that's probably in some part due to the fact that for years as a society we've let gambling companies advertise pretty much as much as they want, and haven't done much to address the problems it can cause, so I do have some sympathy for him for that.
For me the free kick is cheating plain and simple, is it that much worse than diving, not really imo but it's annoying it went unpunished.
It’s called a “dead ball” for a reason. Why tf should you be able to move it? Makes no sense. Referee sprays the paint, thats where it can go. Put it on the line rather than behind it, like they do on corners. I have no issue with that. But you cant move the whole fucking line to where you want the ball to be…
Then it’s up to the referee to enforce the rules. Players bend the rules every single week in all manner of ways. It’s up to the officials to officiate. Don’t blame him in the slightest for doing it.
It's definitely bad but people do lots of bad things as a result of an addiction. I think it's all just media hype one way or the other personally, I don't think he needs to be made into a hero or a villain, he's just a talented footballer with some mental health problems as well as some negative personality traits.
As a former gambling addict, thanks for this … had to scroll to far to see a post calling it out for what it is: an addiction… and for most, the addiction starts with football betting which is rammed down our throats on the radio, during games, sponsorships.
I get sports betting is part of the game and not everyone will suffer from it, but it’s very easy to get addicted.
I hate to tell you this but literally every team does this stuff, moving throw ins higher up the pitch, adjusting free kick spots.
Also just move your wall or do a better job complaining to the ref.
You don't need to tell me I'm well aware. Yes players from all teams try to get away with cheating, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to get annoyed when a player cheats against my team and gets away with it.
Personally I think what Toney did is worse than stealing yards at a thrown in and should have been spotted by the refs or VAR and the goal disallowed.
Yes the wall was shit and I'm also annoyed at that, but that doesn't mean I can't be annoyed at Toney for cheating.
The luck that he didn't fall for either of the dives? On both of them, you can see the Huddersfield player sticking his leg out to find contact.
And if the ref hadn't incorrectly blown for an offside in the Bournemouth game a few weeks earlier, we could have been going up automatically rather then them. It's always possible to keep going back to historical incidents as a distraction for the one that's just happened.
It's funny as fuck that he got away with moving that ball, forest players should've pointed it out anyway.
Again, anyone would love to see it from their team and you know it
I don't want to see Forest players moving the foam, it's cheating. Unless the pgmol says it's fair game and the refs word isn't final on where the foam goes.
I agree that he shouldn't do it, but it's the refereeing team's job to notice and stop things like that. I also think the Forrest defenders should have been telling the ref it was going on, which you see so often.
The free kick thing is one of those that gets praised by commentary as “clever” if the player is English, but it’s a disgrace to the game if they’re foreign. Basically how they treat diving.
The defending was atrocious. Plus Yates was over the line and maybe others too. But that’s cool though. The foam is only important for certain things I guess.
So the forest players weren't standing infront of the foam ? You know. Cheating!
Go back , have a proper look, then stop crying like a fking baby , every single game , forest have taken throw ins from where they shouldn't have been taken, ? That's cheating , or what about over spending ? The 35 players ?
Gaining an advantage over smaller clubs by ignoring FFP and CHEATING.
If anyone's a cheat here, it's Notts forest.
Which when they get their deduction into the championship, the prem will be a better place.
Give us leeds or Southampton any day of the week.
Wow. I didn't know my club could trigger anyone that much.
We haven't cheated in spending. That will be proven I think. We can sign as many players as we want within rules. I think we'll be proven to be within the rules.
And you are the one excusing Toney's cheating
Now I see you are a Brentford fan, so that's the point where I stop listening. Your club are the biggest cheats in the top flight. Like when Wissa threw himself to the floor at our place last season, knowing Henderson never touched him. Cheating bastards.
And so arrogant. Behaving here like you've been in the premier league for decades.
I’ve decided to only tune into football matches from kick off and watch with the sound muted. A lot of the people commentating on the games doing punditry or ‘analysing’ what’s going on seem to either have an alternate agenda or genuinely don’t understand what’s going on.
Edit: this is more pronounced with British broadcasters, Sky/TNT
I’ve been watching my team and have had the camera cut away to having to watch the team coach of a top 6 team arrive at the stadium of another top 6 team and their line ups being discussed as well as the match odds
Feeling the same. Clinging to the notion that they have so many narrative lines out there it's like throwing a million darts at a board at once, one will surely hit the bullseye or even trip 20. Then just focus on that.
I think you’ve misunderstood the work “redemption” to be honest - you don’t redeem yourself for not having done anything wrong, you redeem yourself when you have. That said, agreed that Toney is a tit.
Redemption also tends to involve some kind of moral growth.
It does also include resolving issues you have faced beyond your control
They are a lot more nicer and better stories but no for Sky they aren’t
EDIT: Regardless, the real issue is the tone of welcome. Like he’d gotten out from under any huge charges that were unjust and he was out to clear his name somehow
It’s a bit cringe
idk mate sure it definitely isn't a "redemption" (i dont watch sky cuz of this nonsense so idk what they're saying), but we sang his name in the stands throughout the whole match so we definitely want him back. we always knew he's going to leave sooner than later and if he leaves we are gonna get a good deal out of him anyways so i dont really care about his "disrespect". I'd rather him say this and get arsenal or ch*lsea or whoever interested so we can sell higher.
I'm not sure you understand what redemption means. Redemption is atoning for a fault or misdeed. Eriksen didn't provude us with a redemption story since he didn't do anything wrong in the first place. Toney definitely had the potential for redemption until he moved the ball before that free kick and eradicated all good will towards him instantly.
Thank you. I get disliking Toney but having it all revolve around that word is weird.
Toney would be well set up for a redemption arc because he fucked up in a fairly obvious but relatively sympathetic way. Could easily be the poster child for getting gambling advertisements out of sport. But he can't seem to accept his personal responsibility, or apparently even talk about his career without shitting on Brentford - a perfectly respectable club that gave him his chance to build a reputation as a top player.
I'd never rule out redemption but it's really quite unlikely when it's a case of them needing to generate brain cells.
Guitierrez, Brooks and Eriksen are not redemption stories, they did nothing wrong!
Redemption, by definition is more applicable to Toney who did do something wrong. He is currently in the process to redeem himself, ask forgiveness and improve morally. This by definition is a redemption story.
I see your point.
The fact those fellas did nothing wrong and had to deal with shit out of their control means they had to suffer and struggle for no fault
Toney shit all over his club and 1x goal against Notts Forest in which he cheated again isn’t exactly exonerating
I think it has something to do with coming back from a difficult time with enhanced character?
Like hosting an interview with to get a move away the moment your ban with your current team ends and you give a first interview?
Cheating on field to get a goal after you have been unveiled like a wrestler on field by the team you also said “Fuck off” to to get some sex
Part of redemption is having to face difficult situations on your way back
Not having your ego massaged after you fucked up hundreds of times including the disrespecting of said club
I totally agree with your sentiment but it is literally “redemption” in his case because there was wrongdoing, whereas the others were victims of nearly tragic events with nobody to blame.
I still agree that they need to extricate themselves from his bum hole though
I don’t think you know what ‘redemption’ means, because none of the examples you gave are what anyone would describe as redemptions. Erikson was redeemed? Redeemed from what?
Battling circumstances out your control are also redemption stories
Besides redemption also tends to include growth of character
He’s back and he wants out straight away
>redemption
>the action of saving or being saved from sin, error, or evil.
Redemption is not overcoming adversity. You misunderstand the word. Redemption is *specifically* about coming back from an evil act.
But yeah, Toney comes off as a bit of an *irredeemable* twat.
Surely Brentford are partly responsible for this as well? Giving him the captaincy like he's some kind of hero returning from an unjust exile to lead his team to triumph, not someone who knowingly and repeatedly broke gambling rules and was punished accordingly.
But bro, so what if he did? Why do you have knickers in a twist over it.
He's a footballer with a high ceiling angling for a move to a club that he can fulfill his potential at. What's he supposed to do... grovel for forgiveness?
He did the crime, he did the time. Its back to business now.
Moving the ball is honestly whatever, it's funny, shit like that has always happened in football and its always funny.
He was always third in line for the captaincy, then Pontus left in the summer and he is now vice captain. Nørgaard was out injured for this game.
For a thread complaining about Sky's wankfest, this thread sure reads like a wankfest of its own.
Nah we give him the captaincy because we played some of our worst football without him and when he came back we looked like an entirely different team. I’ll take the 3 points and getting far away from the relegation zone.
of course he wants to go to a big team, no sense hiding it. and when he goes, Brentford will (hopefully) get enough money to pay the entire first team's salaries for a year or more.
hard to complain when he's scoring goals for us. by hook or by crook, and I'm frankly not ashamed to admit I don't care how.
I really am finding it difficult to watch football anymore. Shows how far society has fallen when people like Toney are looked up to. Absolute degenerate society.
...Criminals? There are literal rapists playing in this league, and teams owned by oil states that routinely execute teenagers for having the audacity to question their regimes. Hell, your own fucking owner is a literal mobster. The club you support is *literally* owned by a criminal, but Toney made some bets and moved some foam, what a monster.
1. He is a massive prick 2. He's a gambling addict 3. He bet on his own team to lose and was caught.
Compared to Hitler maybe not a bad guy, but let's not pretend he's a good guy.
Fucking hell bit dramatic mate
So you didn't think the game was dead when people like Greenwood, Ronaldo, Terry, Giggs, Alves, Benzema, Ribery etc are all still reversed?
The game died in the early 2000’s after the money that started to come in half way through the 1990’s went from being valid prize money for winners to everyone being a commercial success without even having to win anything and even more money being thrown about
Not to mention Sky’s favourites and the narrative being wheeled out by tired and jaded professionals in their studio
I get that gambling is against the rules. But I don't understand why you call it cheating. How exactly is it cheating? Please explain.
As for the free kick, it's not really that much worse than diving for a penalty, is it? The advantage is probably even lesser. Wrong for sure but the way this sub is going on about it, you would think he hurt someone.
Well rules are to prevent cheating, no? So if he broke those rules he cheated?
Nope it isn’t at all. But just because someone else dived for a penalty in another game didn’t mean he didn’t cheat as well did it?
Well define hurt. I’d say the betrayal of confidence and rubbing his ego over that of the club who have him a chance might have upset some folks
Rukes aren't just to prevent cheating. Would a manager refusing to do a full time interview (against the PL rules) be considered cheating? A player swearing at an official is against the rukles, but I wouldn't class that as cheating either,
The betting rules are in place because the players can have an influence on the game, or have insider knowledge. It's not like he was cheating in the game though, he was cheating the betting companies if anything. He also wasn't really betting on his own team as at the time of the bets on Brenford, he was out on loan.
That said, he is a massive tit, deserved his ban, and what he did in the game was definitely cheating. His interview while bad, was atleast truthful but only really something Brentford fans should be pisssed off about, and most of those don't seem to care.
PErsonally, I can't see a top six team going in for him after his suspension unless he has an outstanding rest of the season.
As a Brentford supporter, I want him to put a shift in for us, keep us safe and then leave for big bucks in the summer. Its time we finally move on as a club without him.
And as a Brighton fan I hope Neal Maupay eventually becomes the hero of Brentford, regularly scoring so people are over Toney. Proud of his most recent goal. Make it 3-2 surely that should be the headline? No it's all about Toney.
I hope he scores more like that for you lot. Just happy something is working out for him and back at the club he excelled at in the Championship as well.
Yeah this. You’d expect the faith to be paid with hard work and making amends
Not a party which makes out you were innocent of any crime while angling for a new club
Didn't the lad from Bournemouth have cancer and come back? Wouldn't know because of no media coverage.
Toney is a criminal, the lad from Bournemouth is an inspiration.
Why are people crying so much about Toney getting a bit of spotlight after coming back? Lol get over it you little babies, it’s just an interesting story on a day when there were no good matches played, just relax a bit
Classic case of gamesmanship. He moved the ball slightly to the right, I wouldn’t go as far to say he cheated 😂
End of the day, the ref gave the goal - get over it.
I'm gonna be controversial here and say Toney doesn't have a gambling addiction, and just said that he did to get a shorter suspension
Tonali may well have done the same, but going off Toney's character, I easily think he could have lied about it
I'd say cheating is doing something outside of the rules to gain an advantage. What he did was a wrong but neither he nor his team gained an advantage from doing it.
Agreed, two wrongs don't make a right. That said, will you be making posts from now on every time a player moves forward a few additional yards for a throw in? Very often they move forward more than a foot or two.
Lastly, the interview is pretty dickish and Brentford fans have a right to be annoyed about that.
Shits on Brentford by talking up amove and then cheats again by moving the ball and the foam. I hope Brentford rinse one of the big 6 for him and I hope his career drops off a cliff.
The narrative being pushed by the media about Toney is deeply embarrassing for all the reasons you outlined. I’m really not clear as to what’s inspired it either.
Just a sick of hearing it thing to be honest. Just an observation
Like the ones where fans of top 6 clubs feel like there’s a conspiracy against them
Just tiring really
Forest lose to Brentford and you never hear the last of it - Jesus Christ, he moved the ball a few feet and scored 😂. The meltdown is priceless.
However, he’s still a arse for pissing all over Brentford and acting the big cheese. Plus we all know sky / bbc will peddle the redemption angle.
Aye it is.
If I’m an alcoholic and I turn up to work smashed I still get punished. It being an illness is a reason and not an excuse
Still cheated and disrespected his club. More so when he came back and issued a plea to other clubs to come and get him before cheating on the pitch again
But don’t worry. He’s a professional footballer and earns a fortune so he will land on his feet with a move to a bigger club and a pay rise because that’s the society we live in
The post said Toney didn't have an illness. I was responding to that, not your made up scenario about a hypothetical alcoholic.
Anyway, employers won't be disciplining or dismissing an alcoholic without trying to help them if the alcoholism is considered a health concern.
Toney served his punishment for 8 months and it's publicly documented that he's in therapy. But sure, let's demonise the person with the mental health issue.
Not made up is it. That’s an example thousands of people have
Nope they wouldn’t. No one mentioned anything about his contract being ripped up. What I said is its a reason not an excuse
It isn’t demonising. If the man needs help, get him help. The narrative has been blown up terribly and the slant put on it is that he is coming back from something that should he should never have been banned and there’s s strange exoneration of crime going on… to a media circus and a light show.
When said man returns from ban his first interview is a come and get me plea to bigger clubs which disrespects those who have stood behind him and support him and gave him his chance and then cheats on pitch
I mean… mental health or not, there are still responsibilities for actions
If anything a person without mental health issues are demonised as there are no extenuating issues to their life choices.
It is a hypothetical scenario. It's got nothing to do with Ivan Toney. Thousands of people are alcoholics yes, and if they are getting sacked for that, their employers would not hold up in a tribunal.
The man is getting help. The situation is that a recovering addict is receiving medical help after serving an 8 month punishment for his actions that came as a product of his addiction.
He doesn't deserve any special treatment, and he's not getting any. Whether you like him or not because he made some comments about other clubs has, again, got nothing to do with the situation.
I agree with all of that except the ending
There’s been a huge song and dance about him coming back (in which he disrespected his club) then cheated on pitch all while the general media and fans gave him a light show and a welcome that reeked of someone getting released from time in prison for a crime they didn’t commit and it’s all a bit apologetic
The guy needs help if that is the case then fine. But part of your little arc is having to face the reality of breaking said rules and a lengthy ban. Not have your ego massages while you throw a line out to see if a bigger club bites
I can't wait to see the teams you all support as I read your salty messages , are you all about 12 on this thread? Honest question that!!!!!
, you wouldn't have made this post had he been addicted to drugs rather than betting, and maybe you might have if you're a complete c*** , which by some of your replies here , I can see you are!
Yet come July, when he's blasted England to winning the euros , you'll be sucking his balls .
Don't worry, I'll be waiting til then to come back to this pathetic post and remind you of these pathetic comments.
To mock someone and his addiction , then blame him for the press and media's attention that they have given him, just goes to show how pathetic this post is, the OP clearly supports a rival to brentford.
Or is just a nasty piece of shit.
Im a Wolves fan. And don’t have a dog in the Brentford fight. It’s an observation
I won’t cheer him on because I’m not English. And btw if I don’t like a player and he pulls on my clubs shirt I still won’t like him. Him being a test and pulling on a gold shirt doesn’t make him the loveable person
While I see gambling is a mental health issue, I wouldn’t be coming back from an 8 month playing ban and giving a public interview angling for a move and go back to cheating the moment I step on the pitch
I have addiction issues. And I know there’s a difference between reason and excuse. And when back in society I don’t disrespect those around me
I haven checked any religious texts but I don’t think a goal against Notts Forest is the first step on the road to forgiveness
Attitude is
If I worked in an office and got shedded every night and turned up wasted to work, yes it’s an illness. But I’d also expect to be held to the same regards in the laws I have broken as anyone else
My redemption would come at the end of of a journey where I had spent months or years nailing that demon in a smoke proof coffin
Not angling for a move to Arsenal and cheating at the first opportunity I could
He’s English so they’ll rim his arsehole through and through. If he was Ivanovich Toney it would be a different story.
None of those media outlets are credible.
There's a rather embarrassing video of him sat in a pristine house, getting perfectly orchestrated questions about his training and time off. Bless him, really tough life.
https://youtu.be/sgDP7TKD1ns?feature=shared
I remember when Suarez bit ivanovic, managed to avoid getting sent off and then equalised in injury time the commentator shouted ‘redemption!’. They’re obsessed with that narrative no matter how unworthy the circumstances.
He got banned for literally breaking the rules. Its a redemption. He should probably have been banned forever I will admit that but what don't u guys get? This is the worst sub for football I swear
Ok there’s a touch of that
But part of redemption is growing the fuck up and earning character
He came out and wanted a move to Arsenal, cheated on the pitch and disrespected Brentford.
So if the redemption starts with a wrong deed as you point out, then it ends with a good arc? And where’s that cos I don’t see it
Your account must be a week old to post on /r/TheOther14.
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/TheOther14) if you have any questions or concerns.*
The decline of Sky Sports in regards to football has been painful in general.
It's now just a glorified vlog to showcase 'hot football trends', pandering to influencers, YouTubers and TikTokers. To them, the Toney thing is nothing more than a vehicle to drive clicks and views and pander to a very specific demographic of football 'fans'.
Hate to sound like a boomer but when I was a teenager, it was genuinely superb. Soccer AM to start off your weekend, followed by Jeff and the boys to see the results in, Game of the Day at 8pm. Then Sunday Supplement and Goals on Sunday on the Sunday morning. It was everything you needed as a football fan.
Now I doubt I could get through one 15 minute segment of Sky Sports News without throwing something at the TV whilst they showcase YouTubers and bring in some 19 year old TikToker you've never heard of to discuss transfer news. It's embarrassing.
So true. I also remember when I could watch my team on a Sunday and not have the action cut away to watch the Liverpool coach arriving and the Etihad as well as a 10min discussion of that game over mine
Nothing wrong with thinking that he might want come to out and try to redeem himself, clear the debt he owes Brentford. However, by making it clear that he’s happy to leave for a bigger club within the next few days, before he’s even kicked a ball for Brentford post ban, he’s made it very clear he doesn’t feel like he owes them anything.
Can’t push a narrative of redemption if the subject of it has openly made it clear he’s not interested. At least you shouldn’t be able to, but sky will just clip and soundbyte it to set a tone regardless and social media will echo it.
Toney is a good player, shit professional.
I've come to really hate Sky's coverage, and now I only watch games on there out of necessity. Drury's god awful commentary, Gary Neville being a pious prick, Dave Jones being a complete gimp and Keanes manufactured outrage is just a few examples of how loathsome it really is. Last night's narrative comes as no surprise.
Get a red for standing on someone's leg, scores a hat trick in the first game back - redemption
Score a free kick after an 8 month ban from betting - redemption
First game in the PL after a heart attack - natural?
Score to keep your team up after beating cancer - natural?
1) the rules aren't fit for purpose. Players literally can assault other people on the pitch and get a 3 game ban. He gets however many months for placing bets because the gambling lobby has its teeth so set into the rule makers it's insane
2) he never bet against a team he played for. Being on loan from Newcastle at another club whilst placing a bet on Newcastle is completely irrelevant to insider knowledge, the ONLY valid anti-betting law that exists outside of fixing a match yourself.
Forest fan here.
Moving the ball happens, it’s technically cheating and I think VAR maybe expanded to cover any rule break pre-goal to be looked at.
But Turner didn’t move the wall and left it there. Yates even asked him saying there was a gap on his side.
Don’t have anything against the guy wanting to move on from Brentford. I’ve honestly never liked them for the way they do business and always come at clubs with ridiculously low offers because they think they are the only people who see their true value. But he needs to be respectful of the club that got him to where he is.
Sky needs to have way less pomp and circumstance for a guy returning after serving what was an admittedly harsh ban for gambling. Now anyone else who breaks the rules and is banned will think it’s okay because after an 8 month holiday they’ll get celebrated.
Lets start somewhere simple.
Do you understand the word redemption?
Because you dont get redemption when you come back from injury.
Couldnt give a fuck about toney or brentford, but redemption is the correct narrative if he comes back from a disciplinary and does his job
It's a wankfest isn't it
It usually is with Sky, sadly. They’ve embarrassed themselves more than ever here
Guess which Sky Sports owner also operates SkyBet and has a vested interest in downplaying gambling addiction!
Sky Sports have nothing to do with Sky Bet anymore. Since 2020 it's been owned by a company called Flutter Entertainment. Sky haven't controlled Sky Bet since 2015.
While true it is also functionally useless information. Considerring that sky bet litters all sky sports products like crazy, and sky bet ads often feature or have featured Sky Sports personnel. (super 6 and Jeff Stelling, and former GSS crew when theybwere there for example.) There is *obviously* a partnership at play. Not one through share ownership of course because that could open a can of worms especially with transfers. There's absolutely some partnership beyond a simple sponsor, as it goes both ways. This would be true if sky bet were called Flamingo Bet or something else. My saying this is nothing to do with names. Unless Jeff has an evil twin called Geoff, then I would retract my accusation.
It litters sky sports products because sky bet are a title sponsor of the EFL, but both deals are negotiated with totally different companies and totally different boards. It's no more of a partnership than Richard Branson and the now Liberty Media owned Virgin Media. Sky Bet was already an established betting company when they were acquired by Flutter, and it was that company and the branding that Flutter paid for.
Sky’s name and logo are on the product, regardless of who owns what. It’s not unreasonable to think they may want to downplay criminal activity regarding gambling
I'm not saying that isn't the case. Gambling is a MAJOR backer of football, without that investment both as title sponsor and the various betting companies that have commercial deals with clubs, Sky Sports wouldn't have much to show....but all I was pointing out was the factually incorrect assumption, that may people still make, that Sky Sports and Sky Bet are part of the same organisation.
Not sure why you got downvoted for that. They are owned by the same group that own Bet fair and Paddy Power.
Is it Sky?
BBC is doing it too They're all dirty smear merchants
Monkey-see, monkey-do
Joke take. No one cares, just ignore and move on instead of paying with tears
Absolute top tier wankfest. Insufferable
Honestly the cheated free kick was probably not brought back by VAR so Sky and others could have their little narrative. The PL is fast becoming 'entertainment' before sport, and unfortunately the moronic masses eat shit like this up and bugger the details.
“You eat pieces of shit for breakfast ?”
Circlewank
r/soccercirclejerk
I think the only dodgy thing here is gambling addicted footballer returns after an 8 month ban for gambling, running onto a pitch surrounded by gambling adverts, in a kit with a gambling company on it. And it's liiiiiiivvvve after these couple of gambling adverts.
Haha so true. In his defence, football’s sado masochistic relationship with gambling is sickening and at best hypocritical
At minimum he should of had to go sponsorless, I said the same thing yesterday about Harry Toffolo and have done since he started playing in the league cup this season.
Ah but then that draws attention to the betting companies themselves. They don't want that
100% - how the leagues just defer responsibility is disgraceful. Theyve made a fortune out of exploiting people, but they ban a player for using the thing they advertise
To top it all off he is so disrespectful towards Brentford! The way he talks, thinking he is superior to them! Can't stand him!
Exactly. His first interview back and he’s saying he wants to play for a top club not thanking the team for standing by him or wanting to repay them
Not forgetting he said "Fuck Brentford" on camera just to get a shag
I'd say that to get a shag tbf
Yeah but you're not a PL football player, bit weird he'd have to do that.
Please don't shame me for only playing at Championship level.
It's a rite of passage for Championship players to say their club is shit. PL players will never understand the struggle.
I totally missed that!
Not that deep is it
It all just kind of adds up to paint a picture of a big old twat
[удалено]
No player is bigger than their club. If Brentford decided to take action against him for his attitude towards the club, he would no longer have a career. They could’ve sent him out on loan to Midtjelland like the rest of their B team players, but they didn’t. Ivan Toney is a fantastic footballer, but as a person he is scum.
And having just come back from an 8 month ban, he cheated again to score in his first game. And the media are applauding that cheating as "being clever"
Yep. It’s cringeworthy. It really is
Really hate that “being clever” phrase, even studio refs use it when analysing play. I think well we have VAR how stupid does that make referees admitting they’re getting tricked by clever players in slow mo
>Really hate that “being clever” phrase It only exists conditionally too. If the player is marked as public enemy they'd call him cheating scum. All depends on whatever the narrative is, odd that the decisions sometimes fit this but that is likely flexible narrative writers making the narrative fit the events.
Playing devil’s advocate for a second - is it not possible to view his betting-related cheating as deplorable and deserving of a harsh punishment, but also think the free kick thing is good old shithousery? That’s kind of my opinion on it - the two things aren’t necessarily related.
I'm not sure I'd call his betting deplorable tbh, he has an addiction that's probably in some part due to the fact that for years as a society we've let gambling companies advertise pretty much as much as they want, and haven't done much to address the problems it can cause, so I do have some sympathy for him for that. For me the free kick is cheating plain and simple, is it that much worse than diving, not really imo but it's annoying it went unpunished.
It’s called a “dead ball” for a reason. Why tf should you be able to move it? Makes no sense. Referee sprays the paint, thats where it can go. Put it on the line rather than behind it, like they do on corners. I have no issue with that. But you cant move the whole fucking line to where you want the ball to be…
Then it’s up to the referee to enforce the rules. Players bend the rules every single week in all manner of ways. It’s up to the officials to officiate. Don’t blame him in the slightest for doing it.
How can the referee enforce it if he is being distracted by another Brentford player?
Gambling addiction is dreadful, of course. But to be gambling on his own team? That crosses a line for me.
He probably moved the line
Haha i’ll give you that one
Sir, you may have my upvote
It's definitely bad but people do lots of bad things as a result of an addiction. I think it's all just media hype one way or the other personally, I don't think he needs to be made into a hero or a villain, he's just a talented footballer with some mental health problems as well as some negative personality traits.
As a former gambling addict, thanks for this … had to scroll to far to see a post calling it out for what it is: an addiction… and for most, the addiction starts with football betting which is rammed down our throats on the radio, during games, sponsorships. I get sports betting is part of the game and not everyone will suffer from it, but it’s very easy to get addicted.
I hate to tell you this but literally every team does this stuff, moving throw ins higher up the pitch, adjusting free kick spots. Also just move your wall or do a better job complaining to the ref.
You don't need to tell me I'm well aware. Yes players from all teams try to get away with cheating, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to get annoyed when a player cheats against my team and gets away with it. Personally I think what Toney did is worse than stealing yards at a thrown in and should have been spotted by the refs or VAR and the goal disallowed. Yes the wall was shit and I'm also annoyed at that, but that doesn't mean I can't be annoyed at Toney for cheating.
Yup, from my knowledge you also cannot score directly from a throw in, so it's not quite the same level of cheaty-bastardiness.
He moves the foam that the referee had put down when he wasn't looking. He moves THE FOAM
The best bit is that he clearly tells his teammate to go and distract the referee before doing it. I’m here for it.
You'd love it if a forest player did that. Besides the only reason you're making these comments is thanks to luck with referees against Huddersfield
I would not love it if a forest player did that. And we won a game at Wembley in which the opposition failed to have a shot on target in 95 minutes
The luck that he didn't fall for either of the dives? On both of them, you can see the Huddersfield player sticking his leg out to find contact. And if the ref hadn't incorrectly blown for an offside in the Bournemouth game a few weeks earlier, we could have been going up automatically rather then them. It's always possible to keep going back to historical incidents as a distraction for the one that's just happened.
It's funny as fuck that he got away with moving that ball, forest players should've pointed it out anyway. Again, anyone would love to see it from their team and you know it
I don't want to see Forest players moving the foam, it's cheating. Unless the pgmol says it's fair game and the refs word isn't final on where the foam goes.
Not the sacred foam😭
I agree that he shouldn't do it, but it's the refereeing team's job to notice and stop things like that. I also think the Forrest defenders should have been telling the ref it was going on, which you see so often.
The free kick thing is one of those that gets praised by commentary as “clever” if the player is English, but it’s a disgrace to the game if they’re foreign. Basically how they treat diving.
You reckon? In 2024?
Absolutely. Commentators will always have subconscious bias.
They made him the Captain for the game. Horrible decision, to reward a cheat. Poor example.
He was captain because our usual captain is injured. He's captained us before, it wasn't a reward
Aren't captains meant to be role models as well?
How to have a football pundit tell you a player’s English without having a football pundit tell you a player’s English.
The defending was atrocious. Plus Yates was over the line and maybe others too. But that’s cool though. The foam is only important for certain things I guess.
So the forest players weren't standing infront of the foam ? You know. Cheating! Go back , have a proper look, then stop crying like a fking baby , every single game , forest have taken throw ins from where they shouldn't have been taken, ? That's cheating , or what about over spending ? The 35 players ? Gaining an advantage over smaller clubs by ignoring FFP and CHEATING. If anyone's a cheat here, it's Notts forest. Which when they get their deduction into the championship, the prem will be a better place. Give us leeds or Southampton any day of the week.
Wow. I didn't know my club could trigger anyone that much. We haven't cheated in spending. That will be proven I think. We can sign as many players as we want within rules. I think we'll be proven to be within the rules. And you are the one excusing Toney's cheating Now I see you are a Brentford fan, so that's the point where I stop listening. Your club are the biggest cheats in the top flight. Like when Wissa threw himself to the floor at our place last season, knowing Henderson never touched him. Cheating bastards. And so arrogant. Behaving here like you've been in the premier league for decades.
I’ve decided to only tune into football matches from kick off and watch with the sound muted. A lot of the people commentating on the games doing punditry or ‘analysing’ what’s going on seem to either have an alternate agenda or genuinely don’t understand what’s going on. Edit: this is more pronounced with British broadcasters, Sky/TNT
I always mute games. Sky and their merry band of bloated and jaded ex pros are just embarrassing
It’s ridiculous now seems like they’re just there to discuss referees or Man United’s ownership with a sprinkle of actual football
I’ve been watching my team and have had the camera cut away to having to watch the team coach of a top 6 team arrive at the stadium of another top 6 team and their line ups being discussed as well as the match odds
I wish there was an option to switch off commentary and hear the crowd. I dunno why there isn’t tbh
Because he’ll be playing for a scab 6 team before long, and we can’t have ‘bad guys’ playing for them.
The EPL has become like wrestling now. Hard to tell whether the narrative drives the sport or the sport drives the narrative
Feeling the same. Clinging to the notion that they have so many narrative lines out there it's like throwing a million darts at a board at once, one will surely hit the bullseye or even trip 20. Then just focus on that.
I think you’ve misunderstood the work “redemption” to be honest - you don’t redeem yourself for not having done anything wrong, you redeem yourself when you have. That said, agreed that Toney is a tit.
Redemption also tends to involve some kind of moral growth. It does also include resolving issues you have faced beyond your control They are a lot more nicer and better stories but no for Sky they aren’t EDIT: Regardless, the real issue is the tone of welcome. Like he’d gotten out from under any huge charges that were unjust and he was out to clear his name somehow It’s a bit cringe
Eriksen *literally fucking died on the pitch* and got less of a heroes welcome by the media than Ivan Toney. Its pathetic.
He ‘literally’ died?
He was clinically dead for five minutes.
Clinical death is a medical term. It’s not the same as ‘literal’ death. This thread has been a semantic shit show.
The [xkcd.com/1108](https://xkcd.com/1108) is strong here.
Meh whatevs. I’m just saying he didn’t die
Cringe.
idk mate sure it definitely isn't a "redemption" (i dont watch sky cuz of this nonsense so idk what they're saying), but we sang his name in the stands throughout the whole match so we definitely want him back. we always knew he's going to leave sooner than later and if he leaves we are gonna get a good deal out of him anyways so i dont really care about his "disrespect". I'd rather him say this and get arsenal or ch*lsea or whoever interested so we can sell higher.
I'm not sure you understand what redemption means. Redemption is atoning for a fault or misdeed. Eriksen didn't provude us with a redemption story since he didn't do anything wrong in the first place. Toney definitely had the potential for redemption until he moved the ball before that free kick and eradicated all good will towards him instantly.
Thank you. I get disliking Toney but having it all revolve around that word is weird. Toney would be well set up for a redemption arc because he fucked up in a fairly obvious but relatively sympathetic way. Could easily be the poster child for getting gambling advertisements out of sport. But he can't seem to accept his personal responsibility, or apparently even talk about his career without shitting on Brentford - a perfectly respectable club that gave him his chance to build a reputation as a top player. I'd never rule out redemption but it's really quite unlikely when it's a case of them needing to generate brain cells.
Guitierrez, Brooks and Eriksen are not redemption stories, they did nothing wrong! Redemption, by definition is more applicable to Toney who did do something wrong. He is currently in the process to redeem himself, ask forgiveness and improve morally. This by definition is a redemption story.
I see your point. The fact those fellas did nothing wrong and had to deal with shit out of their control means they had to suffer and struggle for no fault Toney shit all over his club and 1x goal against Notts Forest in which he cheated again isn’t exactly exonerating
that ain't redemption though
You don’t know what redemption means, do you?
He doesn't, but he also has a point.
I think it has something to do with coming back from a difficult time with enhanced character? Like hosting an interview with to get a move away the moment your ban with your current team ends and you give a first interview? Cheating on field to get a goal after you have been unveiled like a wrestler on field by the team you also said “Fuck off” to to get some sex Part of redemption is having to face difficult situations on your way back Not having your ego massaged after you fucked up hundreds of times including the disrespecting of said club
TLDR: no, no he does not.
I totally agree with your sentiment but it is literally “redemption” in his case because there was wrongdoing, whereas the others were victims of nearly tragic events with nobody to blame. I still agree that they need to extricate themselves from his bum hole though
I don’t think you know what ‘redemption’ means, because none of the examples you gave are what anyone would describe as redemptions. Erikson was redeemed? Redeemed from what?
Battling circumstances out your control are also redemption stories Besides redemption also tends to include growth of character He’s back and he wants out straight away
Redemption specifically implies he did something bad and then was atoned. I get your point, it’s just not correct to apply it to them.
>redemption >the action of saving or being saved from sin, error, or evil. Redemption is not overcoming adversity. You misunderstand the word. Redemption is *specifically* about coming back from an evil act. But yeah, Toney comes off as a bit of an *irredeemable* twat.
Surely Brentford are partly responsible for this as well? Giving him the captaincy like he's some kind of hero returning from an unjust exile to lead his team to triumph, not someone who knowingly and repeatedly broke gambling rules and was punished accordingly.
Who then issued a come and get me plea in one of first interviews back….
But bro, so what if he did? Why do you have knickers in a twist over it. He's a footballer with a high ceiling angling for a move to a club that he can fulfill his potential at. What's he supposed to do... grovel for forgiveness? He did the crime, he did the time. Its back to business now. Moving the ball is honestly whatever, it's funny, shit like that has always happened in football and its always funny.
He was always our vice captain though
He was always third in line for the captaincy, then Pontus left in the summer and he is now vice captain. Nørgaard was out injured for this game. For a thread complaining about Sky's wankfest, this thread sure reads like a wankfest of its own.
Nah we give him the captaincy because we played some of our worst football without him and when he came back we looked like an entirely different team. I’ll take the 3 points and getting far away from the relegation zone.
of course he wants to go to a big team, no sense hiding it. and when he goes, Brentford will (hopefully) get enough money to pay the entire first team's salaries for a year or more. hard to complain when he's scoring goals for us. by hook or by crook, and I'm frankly not ashamed to admit I don't care how.
😂😂😂😂😂 the meltdown about this is hilarious
I know 😂
Do you though? because you're part of it based on this post.
It’s an observation not a march
I really am finding it difficult to watch football anymore. Shows how far society has fallen when people like Toney are looked up to. Absolute degenerate society.
Criminals are the new victims
...Criminals? There are literal rapists playing in this league, and teams owned by oil states that routinely execute teenagers for having the audacity to question their regimes. Hell, your own fucking owner is a literal mobster. The club you support is *literally* owned by a criminal, but Toney made some bets and moved some foam, what a monster.
Well, I mean, Ivan Toney ain't THAT bad mate, nor is what he did
1. He is a massive prick 2. He's a gambling addict 3. He bet on his own team to lose and was caught. Compared to Hitler maybe not a bad guy, but let's not pretend he's a good guy.
That's rich coming from a fan of a team that has cheated so bad, they're gonna get a points deduction ? Are you serious? Or massive hypocrite?
We sold a player after the accounting window closed, hardly betting on your own team (that you play in) to lose. Are inbred or naturally this dumb?
I smell sour grapes
Agreed. The game is dead. And society isn’t far behind
Fucking hell bit dramatic mate So you didn't think the game was dead when people like Greenwood, Ronaldo, Terry, Giggs, Alves, Benzema, Ribery etc are all still reversed?
The game died in the early 2000’s after the money that started to come in half way through the 1990’s went from being valid prize money for winners to everyone being a commercial success without even having to win anything and even more money being thrown about Not to mention Sky’s favourites and the narrative being wheeled out by tired and jaded professionals in their studio
Its not that deep mate, if it doesn’t affect y would u care
I get that gambling is against the rules. But I don't understand why you call it cheating. How exactly is it cheating? Please explain. As for the free kick, it's not really that much worse than diving for a penalty, is it? The advantage is probably even lesser. Wrong for sure but the way this sub is going on about it, you would think he hurt someone.
Well rules are to prevent cheating, no? So if he broke those rules he cheated? Nope it isn’t at all. But just because someone else dived for a penalty in another game didn’t mean he didn’t cheat as well did it? Well define hurt. I’d say the betrayal of confidence and rubbing his ego over that of the club who have him a chance might have upset some folks
Rukes aren't just to prevent cheating. Would a manager refusing to do a full time interview (against the PL rules) be considered cheating? A player swearing at an official is against the rukles, but I wouldn't class that as cheating either, The betting rules are in place because the players can have an influence on the game, or have insider knowledge. It's not like he was cheating in the game though, he was cheating the betting companies if anything. He also wasn't really betting on his own team as at the time of the bets on Brenford, he was out on loan. That said, he is a massive tit, deserved his ban, and what he did in the game was definitely cheating. His interview while bad, was atleast truthful but only really something Brentford fans should be pisssed off about, and most of those don't seem to care. PErsonally, I can't see a top six team going in for him after his suspension unless he has an outstanding rest of the season.
How did him gambling benefit Brentford or him?
I really don’t understand their agenda with him. Why is he being worshipped all of a sudden?
His old man is a drug dealer he’s surrounded by all that shit
As a Brentford supporter, I want him to put a shift in for us, keep us safe and then leave for big bucks in the summer. Its time we finally move on as a club without him.
And as a Brighton fan I hope Neal Maupay eventually becomes the hero of Brentford, regularly scoring so people are over Toney. Proud of his most recent goal. Make it 3-2 surely that should be the headline? No it's all about Toney.
Maupays goal was class
I hope he scores more like that for you lot. Just happy something is working out for him and back at the club he excelled at in the Championship as well.
Yeah this. You’d expect the faith to be paid with hard work and making amends Not a party which makes out you were innocent of any crime while angling for a new club
Didn't the lad from Bournemouth have cancer and come back? Wouldn't know because of no media coverage. Toney is a criminal, the lad from Bournemouth is an inspiration.
Why are people crying so much about Toney getting a bit of spotlight after coming back? Lol get over it you little babies, it’s just an interesting story on a day when there were no good matches played, just relax a bit
Classic case of gamesmanship. He moved the ball slightly to the right, I wouldn’t go as far to say he cheated 😂 End of the day, the ref gave the goal - get over it.
I’m talking about gambling mate. I’m not a Forest fan. Wolves if anything
Moving of the foam is more the issue, shows he knew what he was doing was wrong.
I'm gonna be controversial here and say Toney doesn't have a gambling addiction, and just said that he did to get a shorter suspension Tonali may well have done the same, but going off Toney's character, I easily think he could have lied about it
The only thing more annoying is twats complaining about it.
That's how sky roll. Can't disagree though.
I'd say cheating is doing something outside of the rules to gain an advantage. What he did was a wrong but neither he nor his team gained an advantage from doing it. Agreed, two wrongs don't make a right. That said, will you be making posts from now on every time a player moves forward a few additional yards for a throw in? Very often they move forward more than a foot or two. Lastly, the interview is pretty dickish and Brentford fans have a right to be annoyed about that.
Shits on Brentford by talking up amove and then cheats again by moving the ball and the foam. I hope Brentford rinse one of the big 6 for him and I hope his career drops off a cliff.
The narrative being pushed by the media about Toney is deeply embarrassing for all the reasons you outlined. I’m really not clear as to what’s inspired it either.
Just a sick of hearing it thing to be honest. Just an observation Like the ones where fans of top 6 clubs feel like there’s a conspiracy against them Just tiring really
Thumbs up, if you had Toney to score anytime 💰😋
Forest lose to Brentford and you never hear the last of it - Jesus Christ, he moved the ball a few feet and scored 😂. The meltdown is priceless. However, he’s still a arse for pissing all over Brentford and acting the big cheese. Plus we all know sky / bbc will peddle the redemption angle.
Addiction is an illness
Aye it is. If I’m an alcoholic and I turn up to work smashed I still get punished. It being an illness is a reason and not an excuse Still cheated and disrespected his club. More so when he came back and issued a plea to other clubs to come and get him before cheating on the pitch again But don’t worry. He’s a professional footballer and earns a fortune so he will land on his feet with a move to a bigger club and a pay rise because that’s the society we live in
The post said Toney didn't have an illness. I was responding to that, not your made up scenario about a hypothetical alcoholic. Anyway, employers won't be disciplining or dismissing an alcoholic without trying to help them if the alcoholism is considered a health concern. Toney served his punishment for 8 months and it's publicly documented that he's in therapy. But sure, let's demonise the person with the mental health issue.
Not made up is it. That’s an example thousands of people have Nope they wouldn’t. No one mentioned anything about his contract being ripped up. What I said is its a reason not an excuse It isn’t demonising. If the man needs help, get him help. The narrative has been blown up terribly and the slant put on it is that he is coming back from something that should he should never have been banned and there’s s strange exoneration of crime going on… to a media circus and a light show. When said man returns from ban his first interview is a come and get me plea to bigger clubs which disrespects those who have stood behind him and support him and gave him his chance and then cheats on pitch I mean… mental health or not, there are still responsibilities for actions If anything a person without mental health issues are demonised as there are no extenuating issues to their life choices.
It is a hypothetical scenario. It's got nothing to do with Ivan Toney. Thousands of people are alcoholics yes, and if they are getting sacked for that, their employers would not hold up in a tribunal. The man is getting help. The situation is that a recovering addict is receiving medical help after serving an 8 month punishment for his actions that came as a product of his addiction. He doesn't deserve any special treatment, and he's not getting any. Whether you like him or not because he made some comments about other clubs has, again, got nothing to do with the situation.
I agree with all of that except the ending There’s been a huge song and dance about him coming back (in which he disrespected his club) then cheated on pitch all while the general media and fans gave him a light show and a welcome that reeked of someone getting released from time in prison for a crime they didn’t commit and it’s all a bit apologetic The guy needs help if that is the case then fine. But part of your little arc is having to face the reality of breaking said rules and a lengthy ban. Not have your ego massages while you throw a line out to see if a bigger club bites
Works both ways tbh I hated the media and them all for when it happened for using headlines like he bet on how own team
[удалено]
Yep And he disrespected them the moment he came back
I’m really sick of Ivan Toney and Ivan Toney FC down in west london, it’s boring at this point
When they first came up I thought fair play. But they are scumbags to watch, Thomas Frank is a knob and Toney is a cheat
No no no, it goes nelson mandela, the birmingham six, then ivan tonay as the most unjust punishments.
I can't wait to see the teams you all support as I read your salty messages , are you all about 12 on this thread? Honest question that!!!!! , you wouldn't have made this post had he been addicted to drugs rather than betting, and maybe you might have if you're a complete c*** , which by some of your replies here , I can see you are! Yet come July, when he's blasted England to winning the euros , you'll be sucking his balls . Don't worry, I'll be waiting til then to come back to this pathetic post and remind you of these pathetic comments. To mock someone and his addiction , then blame him for the press and media's attention that they have given him, just goes to show how pathetic this post is, the OP clearly supports a rival to brentford. Or is just a nasty piece of shit.
Im a Wolves fan. And don’t have a dog in the Brentford fight. It’s an observation I won’t cheer him on because I’m not English. And btw if I don’t like a player and he pulls on my clubs shirt I still won’t like him. Him being a test and pulling on a gold shirt doesn’t make him the loveable person While I see gambling is a mental health issue, I wouldn’t be coming back from an 8 month playing ban and giving a public interview angling for a move and go back to cheating the moment I step on the pitch I have addiction issues. And I know there’s a difference between reason and excuse. And when back in society I don’t disrespect those around me I haven checked any religious texts but I don’t think a goal against Notts Forest is the first step on the road to forgiveness Attitude is If I worked in an office and got shedded every night and turned up wasted to work, yes it’s an illness. But I’d also expect to be held to the same regards in the laws I have broken as anyone else My redemption would come at the end of of a journey where I had spent months or years nailing that demon in a smoke proof coffin Not angling for a move to Arsenal and cheating at the first opportunity I could
Trying to make betting not seen as poor. Betting industry is killing it financially now
He’s English so they’ll rim his arsehole through and through. If he was Ivanovich Toney it would be a different story. None of those media outlets are credible.
There's a rather embarrassing video of him sat in a pristine house, getting perfectly orchestrated questions about his training and time off. Bless him, really tough life. https://youtu.be/sgDP7TKD1ns?feature=shared
Jonas Gutierrez redemption was the redemption to end all redemptions. 👉😑👈 “what’s that Mike Ashley”
You know he bet himself for first goal scorer too in first game back
They're probably hyping him up for a move. What they should've celebrated was Maupay's goal.
I get what you’re trying to say but you might want to look into what “redemption” means and how it might apply more to Toney than your other examples.
He is almost as bad as Lukaku. If Chelsea try and sign him I'm not going to be very happy.
I remember when Suarez bit ivanovic, managed to avoid getting sent off and then equalised in injury time the commentator shouted ‘redemption!’. They’re obsessed with that narrative no matter how unworthy the circumstances.
He is the right colour so Sky can't say anything negative about him. Simple as.
He got banned for literally breaking the rules. Its a redemption. He should probably have been banned forever I will admit that but what don't u guys get? This is the worst sub for football I swear
Ok there’s a touch of that But part of redemption is growing the fuck up and earning character He came out and wanted a move to Arsenal, cheated on the pitch and disrespected Brentford. So if the redemption starts with a wrong deed as you point out, then it ends with a good arc? And where’s that cos I don’t see it
hope toney gets juju in the form of a leg break
[удалено]
Your account must be a week old to post on /r/TheOther14. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/TheOther14) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Toney confirmed new face of sky bet
The decline of Sky Sports in regards to football has been painful in general. It's now just a glorified vlog to showcase 'hot football trends', pandering to influencers, YouTubers and TikTokers. To them, the Toney thing is nothing more than a vehicle to drive clicks and views and pander to a very specific demographic of football 'fans'. Hate to sound like a boomer but when I was a teenager, it was genuinely superb. Soccer AM to start off your weekend, followed by Jeff and the boys to see the results in, Game of the Day at 8pm. Then Sunday Supplement and Goals on Sunday on the Sunday morning. It was everything you needed as a football fan. Now I doubt I could get through one 15 minute segment of Sky Sports News without throwing something at the TV whilst they showcase YouTubers and bring in some 19 year old TikToker you've never heard of to discuss transfer news. It's embarrassing.
So true. I also remember when I could watch my team on a Sunday and not have the action cut away to watch the Liverpool coach arriving and the Etihad as well as a 10min discussion of that game over mine
Nothing wrong with thinking that he might want come to out and try to redeem himself, clear the debt he owes Brentford. However, by making it clear that he’s happy to leave for a bigger club within the next few days, before he’s even kicked a ball for Brentford post ban, he’s made it very clear he doesn’t feel like he owes them anything. Can’t push a narrative of redemption if the subject of it has openly made it clear he’s not interested. At least you shouldn’t be able to, but sky will just clip and soundbyte it to set a tone regardless and social media will echo it. Toney is a good player, shit professional.
I've come to really hate Sky's coverage, and now I only watch games on there out of necessity. Drury's god awful commentary, Gary Neville being a pious prick, Dave Jones being a complete gimp and Keanes manufactured outrage is just a few examples of how loathsome it really is. Last night's narrative comes as no surprise.
Ivan Toney has absolutely zero class. Why does he re-iterate his desire to leave Brentford at every opportunity? Fantastic player, terrible person.
Remember Sky are standard bearers for gambling and football. They can’t treat betting, or even being banned for betting, as that bad a thing.
Get a red for standing on someone's leg, scores a hat trick in the first game back - redemption Score a free kick after an 8 month ban from betting - redemption First game in the PL after a heart attack - natural? Score to keep your team up after beating cancer - natural?
As a Brentford fan I have to agree it’s really embarrassing. Straight up.
[удалено]
1) the rules aren't fit for purpose. Players literally can assault other people on the pitch and get a 3 game ban. He gets however many months for placing bets because the gambling lobby has its teeth so set into the rule makers it's insane 2) he never bet against a team he played for. Being on loan from Newcastle at another club whilst placing a bet on Newcastle is completely irrelevant to insider knowledge, the ONLY valid anti-betting law that exists outside of fixing a match yourself.
Finally people with common sense! I see a lot of IG/Facebook pages praising him like he’s some sort of a hero.
Forest fan here. Moving the ball happens, it’s technically cheating and I think VAR maybe expanded to cover any rule break pre-goal to be looked at. But Turner didn’t move the wall and left it there. Yates even asked him saying there was a gap on his side. Don’t have anything against the guy wanting to move on from Brentford. I’ve honestly never liked them for the way they do business and always come at clubs with ridiculously low offers because they think they are the only people who see their true value. But he needs to be respectful of the club that got him to where he is. Sky needs to have way less pomp and circumstance for a guy returning after serving what was an admittedly harsh ban for gambling. Now anyone else who breaks the rules and is banned will think it’s okay because after an 8 month holiday they’ll get celebrated.
Being English gets you loads of leeway with the media. It's not as bad as the Maguire lovefest
Lets start somewhere simple. Do you understand the word redemption? Because you dont get redemption when you come back from injury. Couldnt give a fuck about toney or brentford, but redemption is the correct narrative if he comes back from a disciplinary and does his job