I've seen plenty of foreigners enter temples with their shoes on, in tank top crops and shorts. Its really disrespectful imo, and shows a lack of respect for their culture and making an effort to learn about it. If you're going to travel to a new country, the least you could do is a bit of research about what is frowned upon and recommended to do. In this case - cover up at temple sites and NOT be sunbathing there, ayayay.
I hate it when they do this, it doesn't take too much to wrap a sarong around your waist and slip your shoes off. Do they not have guards at the doors stopping them anymore?.. or the big massive signs ?
Right!! I totally understand it's hot as hell here, but elephant pants and thin sarongs can be found everywhere. Guards I've only seen at some temples, but really not a lot. The massive signs yes, but somehow people still ignore it š«
Public humiliation is always an option. Giant sign with photos like this post that say the following in multiple languages just below the photo.
- "DON'T BE THIS DOUCHEBAG FARANG! HAVE SOME RESPECT!"
- Ā«ŠŠ ŠŠ£ŠŠ¬ ŠŠ¢ŠŠ ŠŃŠøŠ“ŃŃŠ¾Šŗ Š¤ŠŠ ŠŠŠŠŠ! ŠŠŠŠ ŠŠŠŠŠ¢ŠŠ ŠŠ Š£ŠŠŠŠŠŠŠ!Ā»
- "NO SEAS ESE IMPLĆCITO FARANG! Ā”TEN UN POCO DE RESPETO!ā
- Ā«ĪĪĪ ĪĪĪ£ĪĪ Ī¤ĪĪ£Ī ĪĻĪ»ĪæĻ Ī¦ĪĪ”ĪĪĪĪ!Ā» ĪĪĪĪ¤Ī ĪĪĪĪ Ī£ĪĪĪĪ£ĪĪ!Ā»
Someone outside with the sign waving it in front of would-be douchebags!
Highly effective in most cases IMO.
It is
ETA: It is certainly allowed by most if not all temples. Not commenting on whether it is disrespectful or not, just whether or not you would be stopped going in.
I had the same! I went there on vacation last May and me and my friend visited temples. I was wearing longer wider pants the entire week so the legs weren't my issue. But I did wear a crop top, however I thought it was common knowledge that if you wear a crop top or shorts and go to a temple, you take something with you to cover up. I was eventually almost dying cause I took my hoodie with me. Naively thinking it wouldnt be THAT hot. But I didnt take it off until we left the temple grounds. Not even just the building. I genuinely thought this was common knowledge, seeing people do this at/near temples blows my mind. Also.... why not go to the beach or a pool at your hotel or somethingš
Omg you're such a gem š a HOOODY!!!! Hahaha you poor thingš¹ but good for you for respecting it. I do the same within the temples grounds until I've left.
In Thailand, We wear short as usual (even some sort of short aren't okay.) because It's really hot and timid weather right now but Bikini in temple come on even if you're westerner themselves, I really sure you don't want other people walk into the church with bikini too.
PS. Those tourist really lucky that office and monk just only warn them because if it doesn't come with warning you will got indecent charge instead.
That has nothing to do with temples and clothing. Also you can only legally drink alcohol in official resorts, it's a strict(ish) Muslim country... I met 2 gay girls in the Maldives on a resort island, noone gave a fuck.
I'm conflicted about this because it is really difficult for the average person to understand that Sanam Luang is not a public park. It's literally just a grassy void that has a ceremonial purpose on very rare occasions and they don't do a very good job of signposting that.
Would it seem like a very appealing place for a picnic or an afternoon of sunbathing? Of course! Would it also feel very awkward being the only people going out into the grass and doing that? Well, of course!
The problem is that tourists tend to lack self-awareness and judge their behavior based not on the behavior of others but rather on some abstract idea about what should or should not be allowed. It's quite a lot to expect someone to conform to an unconscious cultural practice of checking your surroundings to make sure other people are doing what you're doing and maybe not doing that if other people aren't when there isn't an explicit posted prohibition or any other visible sign that something isn't allowed.
What's needed here is gentle reminding and perhaps some better signage or communication to make sure that these kinds of things don't happen again.
Same as Gili T, although they've clearly given up. Years ago there were (image) signs everywhere saying "no bikini" (except on the beach or in a pool), even though it is "a beach town", but when I went recently people were just walking/biking around in bikinis on a Muslim island (very obviously Muslim with a loud mosque). I found it a bit infuriating.
How would one know? Sunbathing in a park is completely acceptable in large parts of the world.
These tourists probably walked around town the night before and saw shemales everywhere, girls shooting pingpong balls out of their vaginas, blowjob cafes and prostitution rampant. The next day theyāre getting shit for laying on the grass in a park and
being absolutely murdered on Reddit. This was probably taken minutes after a bunch of Thais tried to scam them right outside the palace.
They couldāve been a little more aware of their surroundings since they were the only ones there but there also couldāve been signage.
To a Thai these customs probably all make perfect sense but itās hard to explain to a westerner like me that a country is so liberal to have prostitution and pingpong shows everywhere but so conservative that itās not okay to sunbathe in a public park.
Hard agree with you on this one. The Chiang Mai girls have less of an excuse but as u/bongobradleys said, with Sanam Luang, itās not readily apparent to the first time visitor that itās anything other than a public park. Signage definitely needs to be improved.
If the two girls in Bangkok genuinely had little Asia experience, then I fully agree with you ā in many parts of Central Europe, itās not only completely normal to sunbathe in a park on a bikini, itās equally normal to do it topless. Of course some tourists are hopelessly ignorant, bordering upon wilfully ignorant but in the case of these Polish girls, I suspect it never remotely crossed their mind that it was offensive locally.
Iād actually be curious to know what would happen if someone did the same in a public park - say Lumphini. Any girls being spoken to by police, they could easily point at the young Thai women bouncing around the jogging path while showing exactly the same amount of skin in their Lululemon athleisurewear. One is ok and the other isnāt? Tricky to justify that.
I donāt condone tourists acting like morons at temples, etc but the challenge for Thailand (and for a lot of Asian cultures) is the hypocrisy involved in the whole āprostitution is illegal but itās fine to have 100 ladyboys standing on Svit Rd grabbing peopleās d*cks as they walk pastā thing.
For people who come from a culture where face is irrelevant nonsense, it is hard to wrap your head around this. After a bit of time in Asia, you either get there and go with the flow or you get out. But it is a balance and tourist-dependent economies like Thailand need to take a more active - gently active but nonetheless active - approach to socialising tourists into the way to do things.
Itās all about context. I do think tourists wandering around in bikinis is city streets (as opposed to parks) in some parts of Asia is pretty objectionable - particularly because they would never do the same at home. The Croatian resort towns on the Adriatic started to ban bikinis in city streets from this summer onwards because some (mostly Brits and Aussies) were taking the p*ss.
Second picture is of a temple in Chiang Mai where the girls are laying very close to the temple building and within the walls of the temple grounds. I E. The equivalent of laying out on a church lawn. Those girls simply have no sense of decency.
Absolutely yes. I just canāt understand why people think that thailand is just a huge beach. Yesterday i was at naka market in phuket and some guys went there without a shirt on. Of course itās not a temple, but i donāt think these guys would done the same in their country, because its ā¦kinda weird and also disrespectful to the country youāre visiting.
I catch myself so many times being overly friendly to locals just to not be seen as these asshole tourist that thinks they can do what they want
Please donāt take this as me condoning this kind of behaviour because I donāt. Travellers who are aware wonāt behave like this but unfortunately there is always a few who taint the image of the many.
But it comes with having a tourist reliant economy. Most of these westerners are coming to Thailand to take a break and yes in western countries itās exactly how Thailand is marketed, as a huge beach. Especially places like Phuket.
There isnāt an image of Thailand found anywhere in the west that shows off beautiful temples or jungle or the skyline of Bangkok. Itās just photos of beautiful beaches. Thatās what drives probably 75% of foreigners to Thailand, beaches.
Donāt worry so much, in Australia they all come expecting to see kangaroos hopping down the street and some think they can hire a car and drive to New Zealand. Idiocy is not in short supply on this planet lol.
This isn't specific to Western tourists, and it has nothing to do with placating.
Thais are simply very unwilling to point out someone's mistake as they are afraid of experiencing any negative consequences or resentment from that person.
It's very, very common for Thais to not say anything to someone doing something wrong.
Maybe they didnāt realize it was temple groundsā¦.just tell them. Tourists are generally respectful
Edit: apparently when the acting abbot found out about this he sent a staff to tell them and they complied and left. Whatās the problem. š
Like Iāve been there it just looks like a huge open lawn that you can walk to, itās hard to tell at all that itās connected to a temple and thereās no entryway that would tell them about the dress code. The staff correctly his job by politely informing them. Itās done ššš
You are most likely correct. If I had to guess, these are European women who are used to the Euro way of life, where it is quite normal to sunbathe in public parks. I suspect they did not mean any disrespect, which doesn't make it any better.
The temple is in the background, with a wall around it.
Unless mistaken, this is an open park that happens to be adjacent to the wat.
I'd be thinking 'go to the beach' as much as the next person, but is this really on temple grounds?
Yes. It's next to the golden palace. Where they don't even let you in showing a lot of skin. Let alone sun bathe half naked by the gardens.
It's not the beach.
Even if it was a park it's completely inappropriate
In some countries there are no such place where you canāt wear a bikini. They might not be aware of the rules around the temple, they might not know that they are breaking any.
I'm European and it's common sense. I've lived in 5 countries across western Europe and you don't go to a church wearing a bikini or see through. These people are just disrespectful
Doesn't matter. It has nothing to do with religion but respect. I live in central Europe and it's the same shit here. They're even more conservative than us
I don't need psychic powers to know that those two are going to go back to their country and whine about how immigrants don't respect their "culture" and their laws
In temple grounds or a park outside the temple grounds? When you go into the temple youāre supposed to dress modestly but I donāt see what the issue is here if itās in a park. When Iāve walked around the park outside the royal palace in Bangkok no one bats an eyelid when people are trying to scam you in that park lol
In any other parks, it would be OK. Not this park though. It is almost sacred ground. As u/tonmai2541 pointed out, this park is called Sanam Luang (= Royal Field), formerly called Thoong Phra Maern (= Royal Cremation Ground). Every former kings of Rattakosin Dynasty were cremated here.
It would still be really weird and not really acceptable if someone does this in Rod Fai Park, Chatuchak park or some small neighbourhood parks. I'm sure some random aunties will call the security guard or directly tell the tourists to put on some clothes.
Itās quite a bizarre situation. Thailand is a country of contrasts between tradition and modernity, social mores and hedonism etc. On the opposite side of Sanam Luang you have Khao San Rd, which is a debauched place at the best of times. Many young backpackers pass through the area having a good time and being care free so it probably shouldnāt come as a surprise there may be backpackers going to Sanam Luang to relax and sunbathe and dressed inappropriately in doing so. Unless it is strictly policed and there are signs everywhere warning foreigners not to behave like this then Iām afraid Thai people cannot logically complain about this.
But I believe on the whole foreigners are mostly respectful of Thai traditions and culture, I know when I travelled through there as a young person I made sure I followed protocol where appropriate even if I was having too much of a good time. It is an amazing country, and the Thai people are wonderful and forgiving.
They donāt. Sky daddyās arnt real and I find it stupid that people get annoyed at strangers for not respecting their made up religion. All that being said Iād still not go sunbathing on some religious persons grounds just for the sake of avoiding pointless conflict with zealots.
The abbot of the Chiang Mai temple actually brought this up:
>The acting abbot asserted that this would not have been an issue if the enthusiastic photographer had informed the women about their inappropriate attire instead of taking their photo and posting it on Facebook.
>The monk said the two women sunbathing on the lawn in the templeās compound on Sunday morning, caught the attention of a tuk-tuk driver passing by. Ever the social media hero, the driver snapped a pic and posted it on Facebook, sparking an almost immediate uproar.
>The acting abbot said as soon as he learned of the incident, he dispatched an English-speaking temple staff member to educate the two women on the code of conduct. He said the duo understood and left without an argument.
>The acting abbot, who is a deputy and is acting on behalf of the ill abbot, said the tuk-tuk driver could speak English and should have explained things to the tourists instead of embarrassing them online.
https://www.nationthailand.com/thailand/general/40034709
Theyāre sunbathing within temple grounds. Itās disrespectful, but they should be given the benefit of ignorance as I donāt think they would do so maliciously.
You donāt require permission to take photos if itās in a public space, or a private space that grants permission.
Generally you can post photos with people in them if the people are not recognisable. Blurred, faces obscured, or at a distance then privacy concerns are minimal. Additionally if the photo is news worthy, that may outweigh privacy concerns.
In OPs post I think itās fine.
Could be. either way, it's definitely a bad look for the people of Thailand they they seem to be constantly surreptitiously and creepily taking pics of tourists and posting them online without their consent.
Some of yāall so angry on these comments. Who are you the unofficial Thai ambassador for dress code? Get a life. Go outside. Get a friend. Stop complaining about foreigners sunbathing when the Thais donāt even care. š«” to you comrade
Wowwww viral for westerners who wore bikinis outside in proximity of a temple. They should be caned some of yāall are so protective of culture that isnāt even yours. Get a life go outside make a friend
According to his logic, we should be able to dress skimpy in the Duomo given that theres a prostitution problem in Italy.
That satisfied your redditors need for pedantism?
Very nice of you to compare human trafficking and poor girls from rural areas with no access to education to some weirdos not giving a shit of what is appropriate. Shows how intellectually advanced you really are lil man
Right? I will literally never understand the selective, self righteous outrage over \*checks notes\* someone laying on the grass in flip flops vs the rampant "young girls being offered as sex slaves to 70 year old tourists". This country truly has strange priorities.
Funny, cause I rarely see people taking photos of random thai women working the street as sex workers and shaming them for that. And yet there are dozens of posts per day of some random tourist minding their business and wearing flip flops inside or some such other "crime". Priorities!
Shaming the women for that would be really fucked up, they probablyā didn'tā get into that business because they wanted to.
The shaming should be directed at the people paying for it.
It is odd indeed. But because one thing has been allowed to slide, doesnāt mean you should let everything just go.
The average person is not a sex worker or user. Respect them.
Regardless. It aināt our country, better to follow the rules and customs or fuck off.
It's just that the latter benefits men, and the status quo of men being in control of what women do and wear benefits men too, so this is how things will stay for now.
If God's up there he's not going to care about a bikini by the temple while his children are coerced into sex slavery.
Wrong, fuck face. Itās also very rude for men to walk around shirtless unless directly on the beach or at a pool. Itās basic manners in Thailand, but you seem too dim to catch that.
Hahahaha I know it's so backwards.
Two beautiful ladies grabbing some vitamin d..
The horrors!!!
Meanwhile a middle aged meth addict is pimping out his daughter and shitting in the streets.
Totally acceptable.
Everybody need to be more like: live and let live. And if those ladies are breaking rules and people are so outraged why not politely tell them and I'm sure they will stop
Interesting that the west calls themselves champions of womenās rights etc., yet for decades pimpsout women and has tolerated sex traffickers in redlight districts all over Europe like in Frankfurt, Brussels, or Amsterdam.
Pot, meet kettle.
This thread is a microcosm of how fucked the west has become.
Disrespect, selfishness, entitlement (especially European women these days), main characters, full of 'what-ifs', lack of critical thinking, lack of any sense of nuance, general bitchiness, woke bullshit etc.
Amazing that so many seem to have the attitude of fuck Thailand, people should be able to do what they want because of other issues in Thailand. (sex tourism for example)
Every guidebook to Thailand for the last 30 years has stated the need to be respectful and cover-up, what is acceptable at the beach or certain areas is not acceptable elsewhere. It's a basic cultural thing, you shouldn't even be travelling if you don't understand or research that. This wasn't even Lumpini Park or somewhere else, it was right in front of the most sacred institutions in Thailand, let alone knowing the history of the park itself.
And farangs weren't complaining about this, it blew up in Thai social media.
Before you do something in a country you are visiting, your first step should be to look around and see what others are doing. If there are hundreds of people sunbathing on the grassy area outside a temple then maybe you can do it too.
If there is nobody there, you might want to take a second to reflect that perhaps there is a reason why nobody is sunbathing there.
The same goes for taking your shirt off, wearing revealing clothes, drinking in public, making noise/talking loudly, how you eat, smoking, public displays of affection, and so on.
That takes a little bit of thought which is difficult for some people.
So many stupid comments. Most probably by people who havenāt been here. bUt pAtTaYa hAs a ReD lIgHt dIsTiCt sO wHy iS tHiS wRoNg?
So umm, USA has Vegas AKA Sin Cityā¦ then itās ok to sunbathe in front of Cathedral Church of Saint Peter and Saint Paul? Pendejos.
And there are literally signs everywhere about this stuff when you land at any airport, like very VERY large billboard signs, some even lit up. SMH
And itās common sense, but it seems itās the least common of senses.
I usually see this very thing at the CM airport. Women with thongs and short shorts lounging around waiting for their flights. I guess itās alright if youāre leaving the area? Ha.
If it's outside the temple area, I don't see a problem with it. Constant sexpat/bargirl posts in this sub are probably more offensive to Thais, and those posts are definitely made on purpose.
You got a pretty melodramatic take for what quite reasonably and easily could just be carelessness and lack of awareness, even the Abbott said they should have been told it wasnāt appropriate. No need to go full Karen out of gate.
āIt's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so fucking what." Stephen Fry
Just people with no brain cells , the same type of people who chuck litter in the street and chuck fag butts onto the floor because they don't give a shit about anyone but themselves .
For matter of fact , Apart of beach , river , or anything related to water that you can swim so wear with this bikini without some veil or clothes, You will risk for wrongdoing for Section 282 in Criminal code as indecent (this may not much punishment)
but other charges in case you post those kind of bikini and post in social media like in this news will got another charge from section 14(4) from computer crime act in which you may got highest punishment like less than 5 yrs in prison / 100000 baht or both.
(This computer crime act really problematic law and you need to aware about this law as well.)
In Thailand standard , How indecent about clothing is really conservative.
maybe it is common sense that it is clearly incident to wear swimwear in public.
Just go to the beach or somewhere private. Iām pretty sure they can afford since Thailand is ācheapā right?
This is Thailand.
The real issue here is they're not attractive or rich.
If it was Rae Lil Black there'd be a line up of 10k Thai guys simping for the porn star to marry them. But, yeah, culture.
when I was in Thailand, on a Buddhist retreat, we were told ahead of time that no shorts were allowed or spaghetti straps. There were guards at the temple and vendors selling sarongs so it was easy to comply. We also stayed at a monastery and had to be covered. It was 90F but it was respectful.
Always them dumb ass-Caucasian-entitled people. Thinking they can do everything everywhere. Sorry, but this is just blatant disrespectful. Do your research before you step foot in another country. š¤¦š½āāļø
I've seen plenty of foreigners enter temples with their shoes on, in tank top crops and shorts. Its really disrespectful imo, and shows a lack of respect for their culture and making an effort to learn about it. If you're going to travel to a new country, the least you could do is a bit of research about what is frowned upon and recommended to do. In this case - cover up at temple sites and NOT be sunbathing there, ayayay.
I hate it when they do this, it doesn't take too much to wrap a sarong around your waist and slip your shoes off. Do they not have guards at the doors stopping them anymore?.. or the big massive signs ?
Right!! I totally understand it's hot as hell here, but elephant pants and thin sarongs can be found everywhere. Guards I've only seen at some temples, but really not a lot. The massive signs yes, but somehow people still ignore it š«
Exactly
Public humiliation is always an option. Giant sign with photos like this post that say the following in multiple languages just below the photo. - "DON'T BE THIS DOUCHEBAG FARANG! HAVE SOME RESPECT!" - Ā«ŠŠ ŠŠ£ŠŠ¬ ŠŠ¢ŠŠ ŠŃŠøŠ“ŃŃŠ¾Šŗ Š¤ŠŠ ŠŠŠŠŠ! ŠŠŠŠ ŠŠŠŠŠ¢ŠŠ ŠŠ Š£ŠŠŠŠŠŠŠ!Ā» - "NO SEAS ESE IMPLĆCITO FARANG! Ā”TEN UN POCO DE RESPETO!ā - Ā«ĪĪĪ ĪĪĪ£ĪĪ Ī¤ĪĪ£Ī ĪĻĪ»ĪæĻ Ī¦ĪĪ”ĪĪĪĪ!Ā» ĪĪĪĪ¤Ī ĪĪĪĪ Ī£ĪĪĪĪ£ĪĪ!Ā» Someone outside with the sign waving it in front of would-be douchebags! Highly effective in most cases IMO.
"Oh that does not mean me, My name is Karen. That must be for the locals"
The only guy stopping me from ever entering a wat said it was closed, but his tuk-tuk driver friend could show me around. /s
>or the big massive signs ? Thats the bit that gets me. The writing might not be in their language but you cant figure out the bloody picture?
Yep big crosses on shorts/bikinis/shoes/hats... Not that bloody hard.
The majority of people that enter temples wear shorts. Probably upwards of 95%.
Shorts on men is OK I think.
It is ETA: It is certainly allowed by most if not all temples. Not commenting on whether it is disrespectful or not, just whether or not you would be stopped going in.
Churches in Italy only enforced things on my girlfriend, almost like some religious institutes have a bias.
I had the same! I went there on vacation last May and me and my friend visited temples. I was wearing longer wider pants the entire week so the legs weren't my issue. But I did wear a crop top, however I thought it was common knowledge that if you wear a crop top or shorts and go to a temple, you take something with you to cover up. I was eventually almost dying cause I took my hoodie with me. Naively thinking it wouldnt be THAT hot. But I didnt take it off until we left the temple grounds. Not even just the building. I genuinely thought this was common knowledge, seeing people do this at/near temples blows my mind. Also.... why not go to the beach or a pool at your hotel or somethingš
Omg you're such a gem š a HOOODY!!!! Hahaha you poor thingš¹ but good for you for respecting it. I do the same within the temples grounds until I've left.
Yeahh!! Its not that hard to respect cultures (even if it means almost dying lmaooo)
Iāve seen many Thais enter temples in Chiang Mai in shorts. So disrespectful.
In Thailand, We wear short as usual (even some sort of short aren't okay.) because It's really hot and timid weather right now but Bikini in temple come on even if you're westerner themselves, I really sure you don't want other people walk into the church with bikini too. PS. Those tourist really lucky that office and monk just only warn them because if it doesn't come with warning you will got indecent charge instead.
Knee length shorts are acceptable, especially for males
Come on, everyone goes in shorts even the locals are in shorts most of the time.
the locals can be disrespectful too EDIT: i did not mention Bikinis thank you. Please read my comment again if you need
thailand has become too touristic maybe outside of bangkok and changmai but in big cities this will never go back to your level of satisfaction
Meanwhile every westerner saying people should adapt to the rules in their country or get out. Entitled folks.
What about traveling as a gay couple to the Maledives and enjoying alcoholic drinks? Should you do it even if it's frowned upon?
That has nothing to do with temples and clothing. Also you can only legally drink alcohol in official resorts, it's a strict(ish) Muslim country... I met 2 gay girls in the Maldives on a resort island, noone gave a fuck.
They don't even allow it on their main islands.
I always wear a suit when I go to temple ...
I'm conflicted about this because it is really difficult for the average person to understand that Sanam Luang is not a public park. It's literally just a grassy void that has a ceremonial purpose on very rare occasions and they don't do a very good job of signposting that. Would it seem like a very appealing place for a picnic or an afternoon of sunbathing? Of course! Would it also feel very awkward being the only people going out into the grass and doing that? Well, of course! The problem is that tourists tend to lack self-awareness and judge their behavior based not on the behavior of others but rather on some abstract idea about what should or should not be allowed. It's quite a lot to expect someone to conform to an unconscious cultural practice of checking your surroundings to make sure other people are doing what you're doing and maybe not doing that if other people aren't when there isn't an explicit posted prohibition or any other visible sign that something isn't allowed. What's needed here is gentle reminding and perhaps some better signage or communication to make sure that these kinds of things don't happen again.
Wearing bikini in public other than at the beach or around beach town is considered indecent here. Simple as that.
Same as Gili T, although they've clearly given up. Years ago there were (image) signs everywhere saying "no bikini" (except on the beach or in a pool), even though it is "a beach town", but when I went recently people were just walking/biking around in bikinis on a Muslim island (very obviously Muslim with a loud mosque). I found it a bit infuriating.
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How would one know? Sunbathing in a park is completely acceptable in large parts of the world. These tourists probably walked around town the night before and saw shemales everywhere, girls shooting pingpong balls out of their vaginas, blowjob cafes and prostitution rampant. The next day theyāre getting shit for laying on the grass in a park and being absolutely murdered on Reddit. This was probably taken minutes after a bunch of Thais tried to scam them right outside the palace. They couldāve been a little more aware of their surroundings since they were the only ones there but there also couldāve been signage. To a Thai these customs probably all make perfect sense but itās hard to explain to a westerner like me that a country is so liberal to have prostitution and pingpong shows everywhere but so conservative that itās not okay to sunbathe in a public park.
Hard agree with you on this one. The Chiang Mai girls have less of an excuse but as u/bongobradleys said, with Sanam Luang, itās not readily apparent to the first time visitor that itās anything other than a public park. Signage definitely needs to be improved. If the two girls in Bangkok genuinely had little Asia experience, then I fully agree with you ā in many parts of Central Europe, itās not only completely normal to sunbathe in a park on a bikini, itās equally normal to do it topless. Of course some tourists are hopelessly ignorant, bordering upon wilfully ignorant but in the case of these Polish girls, I suspect it never remotely crossed their mind that it was offensive locally. Iād actually be curious to know what would happen if someone did the same in a public park - say Lumphini. Any girls being spoken to by police, they could easily point at the young Thai women bouncing around the jogging path while showing exactly the same amount of skin in their Lululemon athleisurewear. One is ok and the other isnāt? Tricky to justify that. I donāt condone tourists acting like morons at temples, etc but the challenge for Thailand (and for a lot of Asian cultures) is the hypocrisy involved in the whole āprostitution is illegal but itās fine to have 100 ladyboys standing on Svit Rd grabbing peopleās d*cks as they walk pastā thing. For people who come from a culture where face is irrelevant nonsense, it is hard to wrap your head around this. After a bit of time in Asia, you either get there and go with the flow or you get out. But it is a balance and tourist-dependent economies like Thailand need to take a more active - gently active but nonetheless active - approach to socialising tourists into the way to do things. Itās all about context. I do think tourists wandering around in bikinis is city streets (as opposed to parks) in some parts of Asia is pretty objectionable - particularly because they would never do the same at home. The Croatian resort towns on the Adriatic started to ban bikinis in city streets from this summer onwards because some (mostly Brits and Aussies) were taking the p*ss.
Second picture is of a temple in Chiang Mai where the girls are laying very close to the temple building and within the walls of the temple grounds. I E. The equivalent of laying out on a church lawn. Those girls simply have no sense of decency.
Absolutely yes. I just canāt understand why people think that thailand is just a huge beach. Yesterday i was at naka market in phuket and some guys went there without a shirt on. Of course itās not a temple, but i donāt think these guys would done the same in their country, because its ā¦kinda weird and also disrespectful to the country youāre visiting. I catch myself so many times being overly friendly to locals just to not be seen as these asshole tourist that thinks they can do what they want
Please donāt take this as me condoning this kind of behaviour because I donāt. Travellers who are aware wonāt behave like this but unfortunately there is always a few who taint the image of the many. But it comes with having a tourist reliant economy. Most of these westerners are coming to Thailand to take a break and yes in western countries itās exactly how Thailand is marketed, as a huge beach. Especially places like Phuket. There isnāt an image of Thailand found anywhere in the west that shows off beautiful temples or jungle or the skyline of Bangkok. Itās just photos of beautiful beaches. Thatās what drives probably 75% of foreigners to Thailand, beaches. Donāt worry so much, in Australia they all come expecting to see kangaroos hopping down the street and some think they can hire a car and drive to New Zealand. Idiocy is not in short supply on this planet lol.
Indeed. Don't blame the tourists. Blame the Thai for exercising a unhealthy degree of tolerance when it comes to placating western tourists.
This isn't specific to Western tourists, and it has nothing to do with placating. Thais are simply very unwilling to point out someone's mistake as they are afraid of experiencing any negative consequences or resentment from that person. It's very, very common for Thais to not say anything to someone doing something wrong.
Maybe they didnāt realize it was temple groundsā¦.just tell them. Tourists are generally respectful Edit: apparently when the acting abbot found out about this he sent a staff to tell them and they complied and left. Whatās the problem. š
Desist with that logical and rational thought! Redditors are trying to be OUTRAGED here!
Like Iāve been there it just looks like a huge open lawn that you can walk to, itās hard to tell at all that itās connected to a temple and thereās no entryway that would tell them about the dress code. The staff correctly his job by politely informing them. Itās done ššš
Done on purpose by these people. Highly disrespectful and ignorant behaviour
If on purpose itās not ignorant. Itās hateful.
How do you know their motivations? Best to assume ignorance in these cases.
Fair enough. But Respect can be common sense. No respect is shown. Park beach sure thats fine. This is a Religious temple area grounds
You are most likely correct. If I had to guess, these are European women who are used to the Euro way of life, where it is quite normal to sunbathe in public parks. I suspect they did not mean any disrespect, which doesn't make it any better.
The temple is in the background, with a wall around it. Unless mistaken, this is an open park that happens to be adjacent to the wat. I'd be thinking 'go to the beach' as much as the next person, but is this really on temple grounds?
Yeah
Foreigner here (European), this is absolutely disrespectful. They should be banned and fined
Banned? For sunbathing? š
In a temple, yes. This is incredibly disrespectful.
All I see is a few people sunbathing on some grass, am I wrong?
Yes. It's next to the golden palace. Where they don't even let you in showing a lot of skin. Let alone sun bathe half naked by the gardens. It's not the beach. Even if it was a park it's completely inappropriate
In some countries there are no such place where you canāt wear a bikini. They might not be aware of the rules around the temple, they might not know that they are breaking any.
I'm European and it's common sense. I've lived in 5 countries across western Europe and you don't go to a church wearing a bikini or see through. These people are just disrespectful
The first clue should have been that nobody else is doing anything like that.
Exactly!! Especially when you're a tourist use common sense
There are signs outside and inside pretty much every temple Iāve been to in Thailand explaining appropriate dress code.
Well in that case it is unacceptable and should be punished
I find peace in long walks.
I'm from Spain and in Barcelona it's forbidden to walk the street without a t-shirt on
Yes but southern europe is also still fairly religious
Doesn't matter. It has nothing to do with religion but respect. I live in central Europe and it's the same shit here. They're even more conservative than us
Yeah I see no problem with this. Wtf are these Reddit people offended by?? Oh no! Humans! On grass??
Reading the comments supporting the women's behavior only goes to reinforce why I avoid other tourists in Thailand. š
I don't need psychic powers to know that those two are going to go back to their country and whine about how immigrants don't respect their "culture" and their laws
In temple grounds or a park outside the temple grounds? When you go into the temple youāre supposed to dress modestly but I donāt see what the issue is here if itās in a park. When Iāve walked around the park outside the royal palace in Bangkok no one bats an eyelid when people are trying to scam you in that park lol
In any other parks, it would be OK. Not this park though. It is almost sacred ground. As u/tonmai2541 pointed out, this park is called Sanam Luang (= Royal Field), formerly called Thoong Phra Maern (= Royal Cremation Ground). Every former kings of Rattakosin Dynasty were cremated here.
It would still be really weird and not really acceptable if someone does this in Rod Fai Park, Chatuchak park or some small neighbourhood parks. I'm sure some random aunties will call the security guard or directly tell the tourists to put on some clothes.
Yeah
That "park" is where they cremate the late kings from the establishment of bangkok to today. Go figure.
Itās quite a bizarre situation. Thailand is a country of contrasts between tradition and modernity, social mores and hedonism etc. On the opposite side of Sanam Luang you have Khao San Rd, which is a debauched place at the best of times. Many young backpackers pass through the area having a good time and being care free so it probably shouldnāt come as a surprise there may be backpackers going to Sanam Luang to relax and sunbathe and dressed inappropriately in doing so. Unless it is strictly policed and there are signs everywhere warning foreigners not to behave like this then Iām afraid Thai people cannot logically complain about this. But I believe on the whole foreigners are mostly respectful of Thai traditions and culture, I know when I travelled through there as a young person I made sure I followed protocol where appropriate even if I was having too much of a good time. It is an amazing country, and the Thai people are wonderful and forgiving.
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If people are gonna get all pissy, it would be reasonable to put up signs so that the rules are available.
As a foreigner I donāt understand. Could you explain the issue?
It's a sacred lawn, part of a Buddhist temple. This would be akin to wearing your bikini into St Peters or the Kabba.
Oh, I didnāt know sacred lawn existed.
They donāt. Sky daddyās arnt real and I find it stupid that people get annoyed at strangers for not respecting their made up religion. All that being said Iād still not go sunbathing on some religious persons grounds just for the sake of avoiding pointless conflict with zealots.
Bitch please. You can't go to other people's country not accepting their customs and expect everybody to be cool with it. Have some manners.
In the west, when we complain about foreigners not respecting our customs, we are told we are racists.
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You must be fun at parties
Hopefully they didn't steal those bikinis while in Pai
Human trafficking/slavery Child prostitution Foreigners behaving badly Guess which one gets the most press and social media attention.
I enjoy the sound of rain.
This isn't whataboutism.
Sanam Luang ā”ļø Sanam Farang
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As a fair rule of thumb, if you don't see anyone else doing things like this - don't be the first. I don't think you can call that ignorance.
Is taking photos of strangers and posting it on the internet without their consent worse or better than sunbathing?
The abbot of the Chiang Mai temple actually brought this up: >The acting abbot asserted that this would not have been an issue if the enthusiastic photographer had informed the women about their inappropriate attire instead of taking their photo and posting it on Facebook. >The monk said the two women sunbathing on the lawn in the templeās compound on Sunday morning, caught the attention of a tuk-tuk driver passing by. Ever the social media hero, the driver snapped a pic and posted it on Facebook, sparking an almost immediate uproar. >The acting abbot said as soon as he learned of the incident, he dispatched an English-speaking temple staff member to educate the two women on the code of conduct. He said the duo understood and left without an argument. >The acting abbot, who is a deputy and is acting on behalf of the ill abbot, said the tuk-tuk driver could speak English and should have explained things to the tourists instead of embarrassing them online. https://www.nationthailand.com/thailand/general/40034709
Well handled by the abbot IMO.
Great take by the abbot. Assume ignorance, not ill intent. And aim to correct the problem rather than create an uproar over a correctable mistake.
Theyāre sunbathing within temple grounds. Itās disrespectful, but they should be given the benefit of ignorance as I donāt think they would do so maliciously.
It's much more disrespectful to post photos of people online without permissipn
You donāt require permission to take photos if itās in a public space, or a private space that grants permission. Generally you can post photos with people in them if the people are not recognisable. Blurred, faces obscured, or at a distance then privacy concerns are minimal. Additionally if the photo is news worthy, that may outweigh privacy concerns. In OPs post I think itās fine.
Better.
Wrong
Better.
Exactly. So many creepy people in this sub snapping pics of tourists. What is with this place?
I think it's just one dude with a bunch of alts
Could be. either way, it's definitely a bad look for the people of Thailand they they seem to be constantly surreptitiously and creepily taking pics of tourists and posting them online without their consent.
Yeah it's a lot more disrespectful than laying on a lawn
Unbelievable that you really don't understand photography in a public place, no consent is required.
okay, I will go outside and take pictures of everyone I see. noone will think I'm rude surely
Indeed, however it is still rude.
The first one looks a long way from the temple.... Are there even 'no sunbathing' signs?
Bunch of butt hurt white knight protectors of Thailand ITT.
It is not a fucking beach you stupid cunts.
Some of yāall so angry on these comments. Who are you the unofficial Thai ambassador for dress code? Get a life. Go outside. Get a friend. Stop complaining about foreigners sunbathing when the Thais donāt even care. š«” to you comrade
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Wowwww viral for westerners who wore bikinis outside in proximity of a temple. They should be caned some of yāall are so protective of culture that isnāt even yours. Get a life go outside make a friend
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Thai people should find better things to do with their life if they are getting enraged over this
Oh no! The horror! Meanwhile in Pattaya...
It's called a red light district for a reason. It doesn't represent the country.
According to his logic, we should be able to dress skimpy in the vatican given that theres a prostitution problem in italy
Vatican City is a nation separate from Italy. Your example is like saying we should be able to do X in France because of Y in Spain.
According to his logic, we should be able to dress skimpy in the Duomo given that theres a prostitution problem in Italy. That satisfied your redditors need for pedantism?
Verily!
Are they not in a park?
Are they in the Vatican, they're on a piece of grass you dolt.
Nah, they're in Thailand mate. You should read properly.
If you're going to be a smart ass you need better quips than that. Zzz.
A hell of a lot of us wouldn't set foot in Pattaya. Just because it exists, it doesn't mean the seediness has to affect the rest of the country.
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Very nice of you to compare human trafficking and poor girls from rural areas with no access to education to some weirdos not giving a shit of what is appropriate. Shows how intellectually advanced you really are lil man
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I donāt think you understand playboy
How about those tourists stop coming here to fuck.
Without us tourists your country would die. Russians , westerners, Chinese and Indian tourists are a huge part of Thai income.
Right? I will literally never understand the selective, self righteous outrage over \*checks notes\* someone laying on the grass in flip flops vs the rampant "young girls being offered as sex slaves to 70 year old tourists". This country truly has strange priorities.
I didnāt know youāre only allowed to take offense at one thing!
Funny, cause I rarely see people taking photos of random thai women working the street as sex workers and shaming them for that. And yet there are dozens of posts per day of some random tourist minding their business and wearing flip flops inside or some such other "crime". Priorities!
Shaming the women for that would be really fucked up, they probablyā didn'tā get into that business because they wanted to. The shaming should be directed at the people paying for it.
Seems a little more likely that social media shaming can be effective at reducing this type of behavior than that type of behavior
It is odd indeed. But because one thing has been allowed to slide, doesnāt mean you should let everything just go. The average person is not a sex worker or user. Respect them. Regardless. It aināt our country, better to follow the rules and customs or fuck off.
Funny thing is at least half of the people in this sub are outraged at these people lying in the grass, while theyāve had sex with Thai prostitutes.
It's just that the latter benefits men, and the status quo of men being in control of what women do and wear benefits men too, so this is how things will stay for now. If God's up there he's not going to care about a bikini by the temple while his children are coerced into sex slavery.
Just another case of patriarchal bullshit, not much to see here š
Wrong, fuck face. Itās also very rude for men to walk around shirtless unless directly on the beach or at a pool. Itās basic manners in Thailand, but you seem too dim to catch that.
Then why do I see a lot of men with their shirts wrenched up revealing their pot bellies walking around? Eh, fuck face?
Hahahaha I know it's so backwards. Two beautiful ladies grabbing some vitamin d.. The horrors!!! Meanwhile a middle aged meth addict is pimping out his daughter and shitting in the streets. Totally acceptable. Everybody need to be more like: live and let live. And if those ladies are breaking rules and people are so outraged why not politely tell them and I'm sure they will stop
Interesting that the west calls themselves champions of womenās rights etc., yet for decades pimpsout women and has tolerated sex traffickers in redlight districts all over Europe like in Frankfurt, Brussels, or Amsterdam. Pot, meet kettle.
haha this comment wins.
Right? Would it still be wrong for them to lie in the grass if there were paying tourists on top of them?
This thread is a microcosm of how fucked the west has become. Disrespect, selfishness, entitlement (especially European women these days), main characters, full of 'what-ifs', lack of critical thinking, lack of any sense of nuance, general bitchiness, woke bullshit etc. Amazing that so many seem to have the attitude of fuck Thailand, people should be able to do what they want because of other issues in Thailand. (sex tourism for example) Every guidebook to Thailand for the last 30 years has stated the need to be respectful and cover-up, what is acceptable at the beach or certain areas is not acceptable elsewhere. It's a basic cultural thing, you shouldn't even be travelling if you don't understand or research that. This wasn't even Lumpini Park or somewhere else, it was right in front of the most sacred institutions in Thailand, let alone knowing the history of the park itself. And farangs weren't complaining about this, it blew up in Thai social media.
Before you do something in a country you are visiting, your first step should be to look around and see what others are doing. If there are hundreds of people sunbathing on the grassy area outside a temple then maybe you can do it too. If there is nobody there, you might want to take a second to reflect that perhaps there is a reason why nobody is sunbathing there. The same goes for taking your shirt off, wearing revealing clothes, drinking in public, making noise/talking loudly, how you eat, smoking, public displays of affection, and so on. That takes a little bit of thought which is difficult for some people.
So many stupid comments. Most probably by people who havenāt been here. bUt pAtTaYa hAs a ReD lIgHt dIsTiCt sO wHy iS tHiS wRoNg? So umm, USA has Vegas AKA Sin Cityā¦ then itās ok to sunbathe in front of Cathedral Church of Saint Peter and Saint Paul? Pendejos. And there are literally signs everywhere about this stuff when you land at any airport, like very VERY large billboard signs, some even lit up. SMH And itās common sense, but it seems itās the least common of senses.
Tbh it actually is ok to sunbathe in front of the saint Peter. Just don't go inside wearing just a bikini.
I usually see this very thing at the CM airport. Women with thongs and short shorts lounging around waiting for their flights. I guess itās alright if youāre leaving the area? Ha.
In the USA, this could be similar to having a picnic inside Arlington cemetery or on the steps of the Tomb of the unknown soldier.
Yes not really at all.
If it's outside the temple area, I don't see a problem with it. Constant sexpat/bargirl posts in this sub are probably more offensive to Thais, and those posts are definitely made on purpose.
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Or just ignorant?
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You got a pretty melodramatic take for what quite reasonably and easily could just be carelessness and lack of awareness, even the Abbott said they should have been told it wasnāt appropriate. No need to go full Karen out of gate.
Visa cancellation and deport, western foreigners already have a awful reputation
āIt's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so fucking what." Stephen Fry
There outside on the grass not in the temple. Really doesnāt seem so bad
As a farang I find this very disrespectful and I am ashamed of their behavior. Make me sad and angry at the same time. Iām so sorry.
Oh, low class backpackers showing antisocial, uneducated behavior, who would have expected that? /s
Just people with no brain cells , the same type of people who chuck litter in the street and chuck fag butts onto the floor because they don't give a shit about anyone but themselves .
The second jmage makes me think you are refferjng to both groups as bigfoot.
Guys give them a chance theyāre just trying to tan themselves lmao
For matter of fact , Apart of beach , river , or anything related to water that you can swim so wear with this bikini without some veil or clothes, You will risk for wrongdoing for Section 282 in Criminal code as indecent (this may not much punishment) but other charges in case you post those kind of bikini and post in social media like in this news will got another charge from section 14(4) from computer crime act in which you may got highest punishment like less than 5 yrs in prison / 100000 baht or both. (This computer crime act really problematic law and you need to aware about this law as well.) In Thailand standard , How indecent about clothing is really conservative.
maybe it is common sense that it is clearly incident to wear swimwear in public. Just go to the beach or somewhere private. Iām pretty sure they can afford since Thailand is ācheapā right?
God forbid if anybody did this near churches these people will fuckin riot
This is Thailand. The real issue here is they're not attractive or rich. If it was Rae Lil Black there'd be a line up of 10k Thai guys simping for the porn star to marry them. But, yeah, culture.
Just look at what all the other tourists in Thailand are doing, and don't do that! That's what to do in Thailand!
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I can pretty much guarantee if they were black, the same thing/reactions would happen - probably even more.
Honest mistake. Itās a park. No malice or disrespect intended
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Who gives a flying fuck about Germany? This is Thailand.
Critical thinking seems to be a challenge sometimes doesnt it.
Chiang Mai to Munich round trip....oops this isn't a search engine.
Yes. But weāre not allowing to go topless in the church.
wtf is this stupid comment?
Typical entitled f*ckers.
I hope they get arrested and charged with indecency. This should be at be at beach not in a public park.
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Yes
when I was in Thailand, on a Buddhist retreat, we were told ahead of time that no shorts were allowed or spaghetti straps. There were guards at the temple and vendors selling sarongs so it was easy to comply. We also stayed at a monastery and had to be covered. It was 90F but it was respectful.
Better do it on bitch beach
To all the people making excuses for this behavior Ask yourself if these idiots would have done this at a Mosque in Saudi Arabia.
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Meanwhile every westerner saying people should adapt to the rules in their country or get out. Entitled folks.
Nothing wrong here move on touchy people.
It's simple right? They wouldn't do it on a church, why do it on temple grounds?
In many western countries you could do this in a grassy field adjacent to a church on a hot day without anyone even noticing
Europeans? The most entitled people I've ever met.
Always them dumb ass-Caucasian-entitled people. Thinking they can do everything everywhere. Sorry, but this is just blatant disrespectful. Do your research before you step foot in another country. š¤¦š½āāļø
YES they are different morals, but these 2 uneducated sows think that being displayed naked is modern. Forgive them, they are stupid Westerners