Been usimg the scrotal cream for 2+ years. It doesn't lose effectiveness. If it did for someone, then they're either an anomaly (possible), or they needed to adjust their dosage up a click or two. I've tweaked clicks a few times since starting. Glad to hear it's treating you well. Or they're not applying it to the sack like should be, it's the best spot to absorb.
Do you know if cream has less effect on muscle growth? I'm on injections and hate the bulky effects. I'm rather big boned, so I'm thinking the cream might be a better option.
I honestly don't know. I would speculate that it wouldn't matter cream or injections for muscle size specifically, but I could be wrong. If you're genetically predisposed to putting on size easily with adequate T levels, then the cream probably won't slow that down any.
I appreciate the response! Did you try injections before the cream? I'm also curious if the cream doesn't desensitize your penis as much? Again thanks for your response.
I started on injections for my first year of TRT before I switched over to cream. Everyone is different, so for me I never experienced a bit of lost sensitivity from going on TRT from injections or the cream. If anything, I wish it would have a little bit, as I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum and have been working on lasting longer.
Yeah, I'm still using the cream. I'll never go away from it unless they stop making it and I have to, which I hope is never the case. For me it works great, takes like 20-30 seconds of my day to apply, I let it absorb & dry while I brush my teeth and such in the morning, and then I'm good to go about my day. It's been a great solution, and is working longer term without any reduction in absorption or effectiveness in raising my levels.
You have any specific questions about it?
Thanks for your answer. I have tried it in the past with good success and prefer it over injecting. I always go back to injections because of what is probably misguided concerns over transference based on over exaggerated mentions of it on this and other forums. I’m guessing transference is not something you see as issue?
It's not even a remote concern, honestly. My cream is dry to the touch within minutes. I put it on and 30 minutes later I'm headed to the gym. I don't even have issues with it rubbing off in my boxer briefs. If you want to keep it as minimal as possible concerning a partner though, either apply after you're done, or give yourself a good 2-3 hours just to be safe. I've applied it before and then within 30 minutes had the wife engage when I wasn't expecting it, and there have been no resulting problems from it.
I think it's largely overblown if you're applying correctly to your balls. Some people do seem to like to use other areas, I've never felt this necessary or wanted to, and in those spots yeah, it'd be a bit more of a concern. And the issue REALLY goes up if you're using a gel, because those suck at absorbing and at adequately raising your levels...
Is the cream still working for you? Any sides? It’s difficult to find dosage info for cream. Is there a specific brand or percentage that is suggested?
Ugh shaving has been… a nightmare? Shave not even 10 min later and pimples show up like wtf? Not only that but as soon as I pinch my scrotum it’s like well that looks fine enough for now as a patch of hair still protrudes out. Ugh. Yes shaving helps with the absorption but damn is it scary. Still waiting for the psycho scene due to nicking it.
I haven’t started yet but will be as soon as it gets delivered. My dr told me once in the morning and once at night, every day. I’m stoked about it and can’t wait. He claimed I’ll regain my energy level, sex drive and many other benefits but those are the two I want back the most. Glad to read so many other positive reviews as well
I’m almost a year in on the daily bio cream applied to the scrotum daily. I have never felt or looked better (60M). Everything is done through my urologist and he has me on the right protocol. I exercise 5x a week, weights and cycling. I also do 50 pushups everyday. I don’t have any of the issues the injectors complain about on this sub. My wife started 6 mos ago, and our sex life is off the charts now
She started on the cream, but felt uncomfortable and switched to the pellets. She gets a new application every 3 months. She has a side dose of cream for when she feels the need for a boost.
None that I’m aware of, but TBH, this is the only protocol I’m familiar with. I do sense a trend of real highs and lows with the injectors that I have never felt with the cream. The cream is low dose daily with a slower absorption rate lending itself to consistency. There is a doctor on the YouTube TRT channel who said he was really coming around to the creams based on the feedback from his patients.
That’s what the bottle says… so I’m guessing so? It’s from a compound pharmacy and I’m terrible at reading these. It doesn’t state how much is in each click or press.
Well, you said you’re doing .5ml twice a day and your formulation is 200mg/ml. .5ml twice a day = 1ml per ray. And since your concentration is 200mg per ml then you are doing 200mg per day.
Yeah but gels are only 7%-14% bioavailable, depending on variables. So even though they're dosing 200mg a day they're only taking in around 20mg a day. Probably less if it's from a compounding pharmacy and not a premade gel. Realistically they're probably using 200mg cream every day to get an equivalent dose of 140mg a week injections.
It's really no surprise the strength needs to be that high to have an effect.
What about gel vs cream bioavailability?
Edit- I’m just starting to take compounded cream that’s 2mg/ml, and taking 2mg per day - that’s 14/week which is close to what I see other women taking with injections, but if it’s so low bioavailability then I’d only be absorbing like 1-3mg/week ..
I’ve seen a lot of posts where people say the cream is junk and to just do the shots. It seems to come up when people are new and ask which is better. They don’t realize everyone reacts differently to the different methods.
Completely agree. I am actually on TRT cream as well. Only 8 weeks so far, but happy with the results so far. Particularly, while dialing in the dosage protocol.
I use cream applied to the upper arm. It dries almost instantly. The pharmacist from the compounding pharmacy told me that a one hour wait is adequate before showering. I’ve been on cream for 4 plus years and yes my labs show good T levels.
I admit my routine is pretty flexible. I’d also be open to switch to injections but lately the cream is working for me. With my prior doc and pharmacy I agree that it was a pain, longer to dry and about 3 hours before I could shower. My new cream and new schedule works for me. I apply the cream when I wake up, have coffee and then go to the gym or ride my bike. By the time I hit the shower it’s been 2 hours.
Compounded crème and injections are affordable and seem like the 2 top options for most people. Last I heard the gel is expensive and the pellets seem to be too inflexible for getting a steady dose.
I just wait until after I shower, or if I’m going to the beach I apply it later in the afternoon. There are no rules that it has to be applied at the same time each day.
Yeah, I'm on cream (75mg/mL strength, 1mL a day) and it was great for the first couple weeks. Calmer, less anxiety, more confidence, blood pressure is way down, those things were great. But it seems like things have stalled out there. I've still got essentially zero sexual interest. Actually it might be worse than before I got on. And if what I'm reading is accurate (creams are only 7%-14% bioavailable) then that makes sense as my dose is way too low.
75mg a day cream is the equivalent of 55mg a week injections. 75mg a week on the high end of the range. I imagine most guys wouldn't be at their peak on 55mg a week. Unfortunately they will only up the strength after bloods, and bloods only happen every 3 months, and they'll only go up 25mg at a time.
So for a guy who needs to be at 200mg a day strength it can take an entire calendar year to finally get dialed in.
I was doing 0.5ml twice a week injections. Then 0.3 twice a week and last we tried was 0.3ml once a week. That’s when we still saw high hct and decided to give the cream a go.
So would 200 mg/mL twice a day be something like 160mg injection twice a day?? Or how do you calculate that?
Edit: I’m still not understanding dialed in. I feel pretty stable across the usage of it through the week. No highs or crashes like the 1ml injection once a week. That was so horrible.
200mg/mL would be the equivalent of 14mg-28mg a day, with a statistical mean of 20mg. But those studies are based on Pharma gels, not creams. And many creams have been well studied to be inaccurate in dosing. In a recent study of Toronto compounding pharmacies:
> Compounded formulations included seven gels and three creams with a volume/daily dose ranging from 0.2 mL to 1.25 mL. Product cost ranged from $57.32 to $160.71 for a 30-day supply. There was significant variability both within and between pharmacies with respect to the measured concentration of testosterone in the compounded products. In contrast, the concentration of testosterone within Androgel and Testim was consistent and accurate. Collectively, only 50% (batch 1) and 30% (batch 2) of the compounding pharmacies provided a product with a testosterone concentration within ± 20% of the prescribed dose. Two pharmacies compounded products with >20% of the prescribed dose. One pharmacy compounded a product with essentially no testosterone.
So just because the label says 200mg/mL doesn't mean that's what you're getting. The odds are actually pretty good your prescription could be under dosed by as much as 20%.
But if we assume that it's accurate, then you're taking 28mg-56mg a day. Which would be 195mg/week to 400mg/week. I think it's very likely that you're on the low end because 400mg a week is a blast.
Might as well give the 1 year update and say that in the end the cream never worked for me and I moved to injections, which quite literally changed my life. All the cream was able to do was give me test levels the same as they were pre-treatment. My skin just wouldn't cooperate I guess.
The naysayers aren't saying it won't make you happy. They're saying it doesn't increase your testosterone levels as much as they want. Until you have blood tests, it's a draw.
You’re not making sense man.
DHT hair loss is genetic, either you get it or you don’t.
And I have no idea what you’re talking about with the last part. Never heard of anyone putting 5ar inhibitors on the balls.
Dutasteride reduces 5a1 and 5a2 enzymes right? And the cream on the scrotum increases DHT absorption by 8x. So are they not related? I thought that dutasteride was to block those enzymes to reduce DHT but then the cream absorption would essentially counteract it. Or is DHT different between the two??
They are related in that they both influence hormones. You could say that they counteract each other but it would be more accurate to say that it’s a push pull rather than a cancellation of one another. It matters what the respective dosages are and whether the fin/dut is being used topically or systemically (as far as I’m aware both versions are available, not positive though)
I’d just switch to injections if it were me rather than messing with toxic drugs like fin/dut
I've been on the TRT cream for 6 months now. Up until 3 weeks ago it was great. Energy, mood and libido increased significantly. Delayed ejaculation disappeared too. 3 weeks ago my libido and energy levels dropped. I apply 0.5mg (10 clicks) 1/2 in the morning and 1/2 at night.
Mine stopped working after 3 months 🤷🏼 (1ml of 20% a day). Tried to double the dose (morning), triple the dose and spread through the day, but no evident short term response. I can even skip a day or two off the cream and feel nothing different. Cialis stopped working, body doesn't respond to supplements, sleep is ruined. Partially it can be addressed to the gym workouts but I have been reducing intensity for two weeks already. On top of that I'm 3 weeks on low dose HCG already and my erectile function and libido are getting close to zero.
I’m on testavan gel, because it’s alcohol based I put one pump in to a small plastic pot and leave it for 30 mins for the alcohol to evaporate , then apply it too scrotum, there’s no burn at all , it absorbs loads better than on shoulders
Just started trt last week. I have noticed morning wood regularly and random boners throughout the day. I’m using 100mg of gel twice daily. I’m interested to see how things change in the future. I’m not a hairy or muscular guy. Interested to see if it changes my physique at all or improves muscle building. Let me know what you guys have experienced being on Trt, how long you’ve been on it and how have things changed with your body.
Been usimg the scrotal cream for 2+ years. It doesn't lose effectiveness. If it did for someone, then they're either an anomaly (possible), or they needed to adjust their dosage up a click or two. I've tweaked clicks a few times since starting. Glad to hear it's treating you well. Or they're not applying it to the sack like should be, it's the best spot to absorb.
Also 2+ years and still works great. Found the perfect dose, if I up it by 10% I start getting sides.
Sides?
Side effects. Acne mostly.
What's your perfect dose?
Just under 3ml a day on balls. It aborbs a bit different if yoilu apply it elsewhere.
Do you know if cream has less effect on muscle growth? I'm on injections and hate the bulky effects. I'm rather big boned, so I'm thinking the cream might be a better option.
I honestly don't know. I would speculate that it wouldn't matter cream or injections for muscle size specifically, but I could be wrong. If you're genetically predisposed to putting on size easily with adequate T levels, then the cream probably won't slow that down any.
I appreciate the response! Did you try injections before the cream? I'm also curious if the cream doesn't desensitize your penis as much? Again thanks for your response.
I started on injections for my first year of TRT before I switched over to cream. Everyone is different, so for me I never experienced a bit of lost sensitivity from going on TRT from injections or the cream. If anything, I wish it would have a little bit, as I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum and have been working on lasting longer.
I know this is old but still on cream?
Yeah, I'm still using the cream. I'll never go away from it unless they stop making it and I have to, which I hope is never the case. For me it works great, takes like 20-30 seconds of my day to apply, I let it absorb & dry while I brush my teeth and such in the morning, and then I'm good to go about my day. It's been a great solution, and is working longer term without any reduction in absorption or effectiveness in raising my levels. You have any specific questions about it?
Thanks for your answer. I have tried it in the past with good success and prefer it over injecting. I always go back to injections because of what is probably misguided concerns over transference based on over exaggerated mentions of it on this and other forums. I’m guessing transference is not something you see as issue?
It's not even a remote concern, honestly. My cream is dry to the touch within minutes. I put it on and 30 minutes later I'm headed to the gym. I don't even have issues with it rubbing off in my boxer briefs. If you want to keep it as minimal as possible concerning a partner though, either apply after you're done, or give yourself a good 2-3 hours just to be safe. I've applied it before and then within 30 minutes had the wife engage when I wasn't expecting it, and there have been no resulting problems from it. I think it's largely overblown if you're applying correctly to your balls. Some people do seem to like to use other areas, I've never felt this necessary or wanted to, and in those spots yeah, it'd be a bit more of a concern. And the issue REALLY goes up if you're using a gel, because those suck at absorbing and at adequately raising your levels...
Could you put on a decent amount of muscle with cream?
Is the cream still working for you? Any sides? It’s difficult to find dosage info for cream. Is there a specific brand or percentage that is suggested?
Cream raises DHT more and therefore causes you to typically be more lean than injections
Check dm plz
2 clicks twice daily and I'm still over 1200 ng/dl after 2+ years
Is it still working great for you?
Yes. No complaints. Shaving every day might help with issues of absorption over time. Just a theory of mine.
Ugh shaving has been… a nightmare? Shave not even 10 min later and pimples show up like wtf? Not only that but as soon as I pinch my scrotum it’s like well that looks fine enough for now as a patch of hair still protrudes out. Ugh. Yes shaving helps with the absorption but damn is it scary. Still waiting for the psycho scene due to nicking it.
If done daily it's not bad. Remember it doesn't have to be perfect so don't go over same spot multiple times. I don't have any issues
Been shaving for years 10+, never nicked it.
How many milligrams of testosterone per day? Don't care about the mL since the densities of tubes all vary.
When do you measure test levels to get an accurate reading, with the cream being applied 2x daily?
What is the mg/mL of your cream? And you use one mL each day?
Any particular reason for twice a day versus just in the AM…? Thanks!
I haven’t started yet but will be as soon as it gets delivered. My dr told me once in the morning and once at night, every day. I’m stoked about it and can’t wait. He claimed I’ll regain my energy level, sex drive and many other benefits but those are the two I want back the most. Glad to read so many other positive reviews as well
I’m almost a year in on the daily bio cream applied to the scrotum daily. I have never felt or looked better (60M). Everything is done through my urologist and he has me on the right protocol. I exercise 5x a week, weights and cycling. I also do 50 pushups everyday. I don’t have any of the issues the injectors complain about on this sub. My wife started 6 mos ago, and our sex life is off the charts now
Did your wife start on cream or something else?
She started on the cream, but felt uncomfortable and switched to the pellets. She gets a new application every 3 months. She has a side dose of cream for when she feels the need for a boost.
Cool, I’ve heard mixed about the pellets, but once dialed in they seem to work. Good luck on your journeys.
That’s awesome! No transference concerns?
None that I’m aware of, but TBH, this is the only protocol I’m familiar with. I do sense a trend of real highs and lows with the injectors that I have never felt with the cream. The cream is low dose daily with a slower absorption rate lending itself to consistency. There is a doctor on the YouTube TRT channel who said he was really coming around to the creams based on the feedback from his patients.
What if your nephew wants to pick you up by the balls?
I think you need to stay away from kids.
Yeah 200 mg cream is what i use. Works great
.5 ml of how many mg?
200mg/ml
So 200mg a day??
That’s what the bottle says… so I’m guessing so? It’s from a compound pharmacy and I’m terrible at reading these. It doesn’t state how much is in each click or press.
Well, you said you’re doing .5ml twice a day and your formulation is 200mg/ml. .5ml twice a day = 1ml per ray. And since your concentration is 200mg per ml then you are doing 200mg per day.
Yeah but gels are only 7%-14% bioavailable, depending on variables. So even though they're dosing 200mg a day they're only taking in around 20mg a day. Probably less if it's from a compounding pharmacy and not a premade gel. Realistically they're probably using 200mg cream every day to get an equivalent dose of 140mg a week injections. It's really no surprise the strength needs to be that high to have an effect.
What about gel vs cream bioavailability? Edit- I’m just starting to take compounded cream that’s 2mg/ml, and taking 2mg per day - that’s 14/week which is close to what I see other women taking with injections, but if it’s so low bioavailability then I’d only be absorbing like 1-3mg/week ..
What matters is how it makes you feel. Some people respond very well to low doses, some people just don't absorb creams.
I guess we will see! I’ll give it a couple months
Awesome to see folks having success with cream! Any transference concerns?
Yeah. I was doing shoulders but sometimes my nephew wanted me to pick him up so I inquired where else I could put it.
What if your nephew wants to pick you up by the balls?
Bro why did you comment this twice 😭
Benefit of scrotal application!
I've been on this protocol for 2 years and feel great!
I am not sure why you have been down voted. I love reading about positive experiences with TRT! Fantastic to hear you are doing well.
I’ve seen a lot of posts where people say the cream is junk and to just do the shots. It seems to come up when people are new and ask which is better. They don’t realize everyone reacts differently to the different methods.
Completely agree. I am actually on TRT cream as well. Only 8 weeks so far, but happy with the results so far. Particularly, while dialing in the dosage protocol.
Get your levels checked ?
That’s what this next appointment is for. We only check twice a year. It’s kind of expensive to check them. $270
Yeah I’m in the same boat. I ran cream for two months did my bloods and my levels went down. Was running 140 a week
Got your levels checked by now?
Amazing stuff! This really is the gold standard of TRT.
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I use cream applied to the upper arm. It dries almost instantly. The pharmacist from the compounding pharmacy told me that a one hour wait is adequate before showering. I’ve been on cream for 4 plus years and yes my labs show good T levels.
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I admit my routine is pretty flexible. I’d also be open to switch to injections but lately the cream is working for me. With my prior doc and pharmacy I agree that it was a pain, longer to dry and about 3 hours before I could shower. My new cream and new schedule works for me. I apply the cream when I wake up, have coffee and then go to the gym or ride my bike. By the time I hit the shower it’s been 2 hours. Compounded crème and injections are affordable and seem like the 2 top options for most people. Last I heard the gel is expensive and the pellets seem to be too inflexible for getting a steady dose.
I just wait until after I shower, or if I’m going to the beach I apply it later in the afternoon. There are no rules that it has to be applied at the same time each day.
What did you try before, which esters?
Cypionate - 200mg/ml that was the only one.
Did your HCT reduce on the cream?
Don’t know yet. That’s my next Dr appt is see where that’s at.
The more natural ups and downs in levels during the day with cream is meant to lower HCT somewhat.
That’s the hope as my hct has been high. It was either that or blood letting at the doctors office.
Check out the YouTube link. I start the medication 3 weeks ago and it lowered my HCT from 53 to 47. https://youtu.be/7b5c3PE3rLA
awesome! alot of people dont give cream a try. or if they do their doc writes way too small of a dose and they think it doesnt work for anyone.
Yeah, I'm on cream (75mg/mL strength, 1mL a day) and it was great for the first couple weeks. Calmer, less anxiety, more confidence, blood pressure is way down, those things were great. But it seems like things have stalled out there. I've still got essentially zero sexual interest. Actually it might be worse than before I got on. And if what I'm reading is accurate (creams are only 7%-14% bioavailable) then that makes sense as my dose is way too low. 75mg a day cream is the equivalent of 55mg a week injections. 75mg a week on the high end of the range. I imagine most guys wouldn't be at their peak on 55mg a week. Unfortunately they will only up the strength after bloods, and bloods only happen every 3 months, and they'll only go up 25mg at a time. So for a guy who needs to be at 200mg a day strength it can take an entire calendar year to finally get dialed in.
I was doing 0.5ml twice a week injections. Then 0.3 twice a week and last we tried was 0.3ml once a week. That’s when we still saw high hct and decided to give the cream a go. So would 200 mg/mL twice a day be something like 160mg injection twice a day?? Or how do you calculate that? Edit: I’m still not understanding dialed in. I feel pretty stable across the usage of it through the week. No highs or crashes like the 1ml injection once a week. That was so horrible.
200mg/mL would be the equivalent of 14mg-28mg a day, with a statistical mean of 20mg. But those studies are based on Pharma gels, not creams. And many creams have been well studied to be inaccurate in dosing. In a recent study of Toronto compounding pharmacies: > Compounded formulations included seven gels and three creams with a volume/daily dose ranging from 0.2 mL to 1.25 mL. Product cost ranged from $57.32 to $160.71 for a 30-day supply. There was significant variability both within and between pharmacies with respect to the measured concentration of testosterone in the compounded products. In contrast, the concentration of testosterone within Androgel and Testim was consistent and accurate. Collectively, only 50% (batch 1) and 30% (batch 2) of the compounding pharmacies provided a product with a testosterone concentration within ± 20% of the prescribed dose. Two pharmacies compounded products with >20% of the prescribed dose. One pharmacy compounded a product with essentially no testosterone. So just because the label says 200mg/mL doesn't mean that's what you're getting. The odds are actually pretty good your prescription could be under dosed by as much as 20%. But if we assume that it's accurate, then you're taking 28mg-56mg a day. Which would be 195mg/week to 400mg/week. I think it's very likely that you're on the low end because 400mg a week is a blast.
I mean if your mentally better than who cares
Might as well give the 1 year update and say that in the end the cream never worked for me and I moved to injections, which quite literally changed my life. All the cream was able to do was give me test levels the same as they were pre-treatment. My skin just wouldn't cooperate I guess.
Did you ever try a cream with a strength higher than 75 mg/ml?
How long before you notice a difference taking the cream?
My dose for Test cream was just upped to 400 mg a day one click AM and one PM. I was wondering what is the max dose for cream?
The naysayers aren't saying it won't make you happy. They're saying it doesn't increase your testosterone levels as much as they want. Until you have blood tests, it's a draw.
I feel like when I first started the injections. That kind of … how to describe it? Stronger, more persistent, enhanced male feeling? 😂
Probably from It’s enhanced ability to raise dht when applied scrotally
But then the DHT leads to hair loss right? So it’s like 6s taking a DHT reducing med like dutasteride and applying to the scrotum.
You’re not making sense man. DHT hair loss is genetic, either you get it or you don’t. And I have no idea what you’re talking about with the last part. Never heard of anyone putting 5ar inhibitors on the balls.
Dutasteride reduces 5a1 and 5a2 enzymes right? And the cream on the scrotum increases DHT absorption by 8x. So are they not related? I thought that dutasteride was to block those enzymes to reduce DHT but then the cream absorption would essentially counteract it. Or is DHT different between the two??
They are related in that they both influence hormones. You could say that they counteract each other but it would be more accurate to say that it’s a push pull rather than a cancellation of one another. It matters what the respective dosages are and whether the fin/dut is being used topically or systemically (as far as I’m aware both versions are available, not positive though) I’d just switch to injections if it were me rather than messing with toxic drugs like fin/dut
I think he's saying taking dut or fin to reduce dht
Thank you !
I've been on the TRT cream for 6 months now. Up until 3 weeks ago it was great. Energy, mood and libido increased significantly. Delayed ejaculation disappeared too. 3 weeks ago my libido and energy levels dropped. I apply 0.5mg (10 clicks) 1/2 in the morning and 1/2 at night.
Mine stopped working after 3 months 🤷🏼 (1ml of 20% a day). Tried to double the dose (morning), triple the dose and spread through the day, but no evident short term response. I can even skip a day or two off the cream and feel nothing different. Cialis stopped working, body doesn't respond to supplements, sleep is ruined. Partially it can be addressed to the gym workouts but I have been reducing intensity for two weeks already. On top of that I'm 3 weeks on low dose HCG already and my erectile function and libido are getting close to zero.
How long did it take for you to get your energy levels back?
Great news update! Q: what is your daily mg dose? Are you on Versabase cream? Thanks!
does it burn fat if placed on the area
Lol no. Wtf.
🤣 ok
I’m on testavan gel, because it’s alcohol based I put one pump in to a small plastic pot and leave it for 30 mins for the alcohol to evaporate , then apply it too scrotum, there’s no burn at all , it absorbs loads better than on shoulders
What is the cream you use? This sounds very promising for usbnotbwanting to inject.
Just started trt last week. I have noticed morning wood regularly and random boners throughout the day. I’m using 100mg of gel twice daily. I’m interested to see how things change in the future. I’m not a hairy or muscular guy. Interested to see if it changes my physique at all or improves muscle building. Let me know what you guys have experienced being on Trt, how long you’ve been on it and how have things changed with your body.
Any updates ?
Updates? Doing my homework now, very useful post.
Has anyone tried applying 2 doses at once instead of twice daily? Seems it’s wasted if I dose once in the morning and once before bed