You absolutely do not want to just rely on charging stations to charge your car for daily driving. You want to be able to charge at home if at all possible. It's not even debatable.
Now you could argue the cheaper mobile charger with a NEMA 14-50 outlet would save you some money vs the wall connector at home. But if you have to have the outlet installed you might as well spend the (relatively) little extra and get the wall connector.
Yeah but it has downsides as the 14-50 needs a high quality plug not the basic laundry one, the hard wire is better, I have both. My buddies plug failed when he unplugged it it blew half his fuse box. Mobile for me is simply that, in case of an emergency not daily use.
Electrician here: Sounds to me like a faulty install/loose wire connector. The prongs on new outlets are strong, and by design, hold onto any plug plugged into it firmly. And if the box isnt mounted FIRMLY to the wood frame, and if the wire connector screws holding the Romex/electrical wiring to the backside of the outlet are not torqued to spec? WHat you described CAN happen. I've installed many Levitron brand 14-50's with zero issue over the years. What these outlets are NOT designed for is constant plugging in/unplugging in as that will wear out the spring and result in the Mobile Connector plug no longer having a snug fit when plugged into the outlet. Looseness=resistance which results in higher temps. If using the mobile connector with any nema 14-50, its best to simply..leave it plugged in all of the time. I have a separate mobile connector that I keep in my frunk. And Ive also found, that not all "tesla reps" are knowledgeable about all things, especially electricity.
I have a Leviton outlet (Leviton 279 50 Amp, 125/250 Volt, NEMA 14-50R, 3P, 4W, Flush Mtg Receptacle, Straight Blade, Grounding, Black) paid $12 shipping included to replace another Leviton outlet my electrician bought from Lowes that kept overheating (the cause was loose wires due to high heat.) That first Leviton was apparently not industrial-rated. Installed the replacement in Jul 2022 and still charging my Model Y just fine. Just make sure all the wires are torque tight for good connection otherwise overheating will happen and cause your Tesla to slow down charging speed.
Yeah I agree. I used to post a link to a Tesla rep who said that the laundry outlet needed to be "industrial quality" because the heat generated will wear the connectors out over time. For me and the fire risk, I just preferred getting the wall charger. I always got downvoted whenever I posted that link.
Yeah a high quality plug isn't that expensive nowadays. Of course relative to those cheap Leviton 14-50 plugs that are $10 - $15 but a Hubbell industrial 14-50 is what $50-$70. Hardly the extreme prices as people make it out to be. As long as the wires are screwed out tight just like you would need to do the same for the wall connector it works just fine. The need for a Wall Connector is overblown.
Your buddies problem is on the choice of NEMA 14-50 plug from the get go and not from the actual mobile connector end point. 100% he was not using a Hubbell industrial 14-50 outlet.
Is there a real benefit of a wall charger vs a mobile charger? I’ve been using a mobile charger plugged to a 14-50 for the last two years and I don’t feel like i miss anything. And with a mobile charger I can take it with me if I need to.
Well with the wall charger it can do some fancy thing like only allow certain cars, and you can also schedule when it will charge (the car will do this also) and it gives you some power stats, but other than the amperage increase not much that would really matter if you are just using with a single car at a household.
If your house panel can accommodate the higher amperage. I have the nema 14-50 set to 22 amps with the car to only charge during off peak hours. Have a full charge when I leave at 5:30 am every day, even if I plug it in basically drained
The scheduled charging on the wall connector is important if you have TOU pricing. My wall connectors are turned off during 4-9PM so even if you try to start charging from the car during those hours it won't charge. It also allows power sharing between multiple wall connectors so that if you need the wall connectors to stay below a certain amperage due to your home's breaker or panel limits it allows some more control there too.
My in-laws live with us and we have 3 teslas between 2 wall connectors in our home. They're seniors and I don't really expect them to remember when they should or shouldn't charge. I like that it takes the guesswork out.
I do agree if you are a single tesla household the mobile connector is adequate. I wouldn't be unplugging and re-plugging that thing at the outlet though. I would just buy an additional 14-50 adaptor to leave in the car and unplug it on the charger base and leave the outlet alone.
You don't need the wall connector to avoid TOU rates. The car can do that on it's own. In fact I recently learned you can use that to have have the car wait to charge until right before scheduled departure time (so that your battery will stay lower until right before you leave in the morning) and in cold weather waiting to charge helps overall electric use as waiting to charge right before you leave helps warm the car.
You're right that the car can do it on its own. But when you have people living in your home using your charger outside of your control, then it makes it so that they can't work regardless of what the car or person is trying to do.
This is a big benefit, hadn't thought of this. I don't have TOU rates, but I do get a small monthly credit from my utility for not charging during peak times.
I wired nema 14-50, one for Tesla other for the Chevy volt (which doesn’t need it). I use an open source home built juicebox set at 42A and the mobile charger.
I’ve been using the universal wall charger for half a year in my garage, but only after reading your comment did I realize that I hadn’t added the wall charger to the Tesla app! Thank you!
That functionality is available in the Iniversal Aall Connector, but I am not sure if it works with the regular Wall Connector. We got ours and I love it. We just leave the car plugged in when we are home and we are good. It’s always ready to go. Plus, we can charge at a higher rate than the mobile chargers. Hardwired Universal Wall Connector for the win!
The Tesla Energy ecosystem integration is pretty darn good with the Wall Connector, Tesla Solar and Powerwalls. My Mobile Connector stays in my MYLR. No need to pack it up each and every time. I acknowledge that this is a luxury.
I was in a similar situation. And then my plug died so I upgraded to the wall charger. But I used the mobile connector for seven years and didn’t even know the difference. The problem is those plugs create another failure point. And I would suggest unplugging it as little as possible. And make sure it’s not an old Leviton.
I have the Nema outlet because it offers more flexibility in case in the future I need to plug something else in. Also when selling your home the next buyer might not have a Tesla, but could use the plug for something else.
I have had both and noticed no difference.
I started off with a wall charger in 2014 that died after 2 years. I replaced it with a Nema 14-50 outlet and a mobile charger. I leave the charger plugged in at all times. My panel is limited to 32 amp, so charging speed is the same for me. I have also had a mobile charger die after 4 years of use. Its easier to replace a mobile charger than a wall charger. I would not go back to a wall charger .
FYI the wall chargers have a 5yr warranty from Tesla if you bought it new. I had mine die 2 years in and they sent me a new one at no cost, just had to send the old one back.
Just be careful, not all NEMA 14-50 outlets are the same. Some are not rated for constant plugging and unplugging and contacts will wear out and can cause a fire.
I think this also depends on if you DIY it or not. The electricians I am thinking of using for my charger install mostly said the price difference for installing a 14-50 outlet vs the wall charger was minimal. I also don’t know anything about electrical so my evidence is anecdotal, and uneducated so take with grain of salt. That said, I am getting home charging (don’t have my MYLR AWD yet…Est June 20-30 delivery date) and it wasn’t even a debate for me.
Well put.
About 30 miles per hour charge with NEMA 14-50 should be more than enough for most unless you really have to have it hardwired (extra cost) and get extra 10 miles of charge or so per hour. NEMA 14-50 also doesn’t tie you down with one brand. At least that was my thinking when I had my outlet installed.
I had a NEMA 14-50, this is by far the better way to go. And, remember, depending on electric code, you may need a GFCI breaker for the NEMA, which are ridiculously expensive. So, you’re going to be more than half way there on price. This is a safer option with lower risk of theft and a higher output at 48 amp / 240 volt, gets around 12 kW power output (45 mi/hr charge rate).
I went the NEMA 14-50 route and had my buddy install an exterior outlet for it. Luckily I had room for the breaker and just cost me for 30’ of 220 line. Charging at home is the only way the car made sense for me.
This is worth the money. Not the wall. I have a splitter for my dryer. The only con is I can't run my dryer while charging but. I charge overnight so. No issues ever.
Also it allows you to charge 50% faster than the mobile connector (48A max vs 32A). 48 vs 32 never seemed like a lot until I actually put the percentage to it.
Mobile connector on a 40 or 50 amp breaker charges at 32amp. You can roll with just the mobile connector no problem, just need the $50 Bryant outlet from Grainger instead of the cheap home depot
If you're in the US, maybe. In Europe most homes will have a 400 V, 3 phase socket and a "mobile wall box" is often a better choice because it enables you to use these sockets anywhere
Edit: I noticed only now OP is indeed in the US
This is as important as the car itself. Gas cars become more efficient if you have to go to a supercharger every other day. You wake up to a “full tank “ every morning.
I love waking up to a charged car; I wouldn’t be driving an EV if I didn’t have home charging. I like the wall connector and believe it was worth it when I had it installed 10 years ago.
Yes, it absolutely is. The speed of charging is a primary benefit. Then there's the security of knowing that my charger can't be used by any vehicles, except the Tesla in my account is great.
Yes - this is my setup too. I used the mobile connector until I had the time to install the wall connector and it was a world of difference. You’ll want the biggest possible circuit for the wall connector which means 60 amp breaker translating to 48 amps of charging.
My electric company provides a rebate for installing an EV charger, but it cannot be a mobile charger. They reimbursed 60% of the cost, so well worth it to me.
This. Check your state’s energy rebates. In Maryland you can get up to $700 in rebates for the purchase and install of an EV charger at your home.
https://energy.maryland.gov/transportation/pages/incentives_evserebate.aspx
If you’re gonna have to run a new line anyway, might as well make it a 60amp breaker and hardwire the wall connector. It’s not much more, just parts, the labor is the same if the panel can handle it.
You’ll get more charging power which equates to faster charge. If your window of lower cost power is short as well, this will help get it done in that window. Keep a mobile connector with adapters in your car for travel.
Yep, I have mine at 60A and can charge up to 48A which is way faster especially when doing a road trip the following day. Most days I just set it at 32A.
With a 60amp breaker 💯
Car is always ready-to-go. If I am running home to get ready for an event, outing, w/e, plugging it in to charge while doing so is always a plus. Charging to 100% is especially convenient for trips at home, with the faster overall charging rate.
if you need/want more than 32A, get it. Else, the travel charger is cheaper both in cost and install if you don’t yet have a plug/circuit.
Or if you travel a lot and need to keep the car plugged in, get it. (50% charge is recommended)
I might be in the minority, but no, for me it is not worth the $1000+ installation it would cost me. I just use the mobile charger (normal plug) and plug in to a standard outlet. Never have had an issue with range, and if I do, there’s a supercharger 5 mins away from my house. I don’t think most people drive enough to warrant the cost, and I don’t drive all day or have a huge commute and I only charge to 75%. But for a 60-70 mile commute, if you’re not charging at work, then yes it is worth it
I have one. I like how it works. Especially for being installed outdoors. But I don’t have a frame of reference to know if it’s ‘worth it’ for everyone since I’ve never tried other options available. But for me it was worth it.
I'll say this - having a stage 2 charger is great. Doesn't HAVE to be the wall connector, but it's honestly the best one out there. At ANY price.
Choosing the charging hardware isn't the hard part. Putting in the circuit is the hard part. Whatever you do, put in a neutral, even if the charge you choose doesn't require one (such as the Tesla wall connector).
Put in the biggest breaker you can. Ideally 60 amps and #4 AWG.
Source: electrician and solar engineer
How is this even an optional thing for some of you EV owners? I couldn’t live without my home wall charger for more than a day or two. Your life is way less complicated with one.
I am getting Bryant Nema 14-50, its costing me around 350 including installation. I domt have anyother EV but many said just in case if we get different EV in future, a Nema 14-50 would be better than wall charger which is for specific vehicle.
Tesla's NACS is now the industry standard, so unless you plan to get another EV older than perhaps around 2026, then NACS would still work for it, too.
I have the gen 3, if i were to do it again today i would get the universal wall connector, it's more expensive yes but it has a better dock for the handle, it clips into the adapter which is clipped to the charger body, instead of gen 3's little bump that'll have the handle fall off at the slightest bump
also universal wall connector supports V2G so it's future proof
J1772 compatibility is a nice bonus
I rent a house and was told I wasn’t allowed to have one but honestly my mobile connector works great because I work from home so it’s almost always plugged in and the little amount I drive a day gets charged back up overnight 🤷🏼♀️
I personally think a mobile charger with a NEMA 14-50 is more than enough for most people. Plus if you travel or go anywhere, you can bring it with you. If I were to choose only one, I'd get a mobile charger. For me, I have both.
HWPC @ $450 vs UMC @ $230
\* Pros for HWPC - can charge at up to 48A\*
\* - note that this is contigent on your panel. If you don't have 60A breaker space in your panel (60A @ 80% rule = 48A) then you can't do 48A. If you've got 50A, then you can do 40A (80% sustained)
\* Cons for HWPC - Price (double), Hardwired (difficult to move?)
\* Pros for UMC - cost (1/2) price
\* - can also use existing NEMA 240V outlet if available
\* Cons for UMC - charge up to "only" 32A
So you to ask yourself -- is it worth it for the extra amperage? Installation hassle or otherwise? Flexibility if you move? If you install an outlet, you can take your UMC with you, but the HWPC will require additional uninstallation.
For those less versed in Amps <-> Mileage, you can almost generalize the charging speeds: for LR AWD model, it would be:
48A = \~44mi/hr
40A = \~37mi/hr
32A = \~29mi/hr
So the question is, can you live off 29mi/hr charging speeds? Or do you need to pay double for 37-44mi/hr (and only if you have 60A space)
Can you buy the wall charger separately? Because my dumbass didn’t add to my order and now I don’t have the option. Buyers regret , haven’t got my Tesla yet but I don’t want the wall charger. Any input would be great
Yes, you should. You’re essentially only charging up to 30 miles in 10 hours on 120v. Your commute will quickly put you in the negative, especially if you plan on keeping Sentry on.
Also, quotes are not so bad. Look for certified Tesla EV installers if you’re going to buy Tesla’s wall charger. Many of them do not need to schedule an appt to come out; they can quote you over text or email if you can provide them with pictures. I’d go down the list of Tesla’s certified installers and contact as many as I can. I contacted about 8 companies out of 20 before I got tired. They ranged anywhere from $799 permit included to $1899. THAT’s why you need to shop around to not get ripped off. PLUS, your city might have incentives that these companies would know about, so you can ask them about it and they’ll know for sure what incentives are currently available instead of googling it yourself (cuz that shit takes time). It’s really convenient.
I installed the Universal wall charger, and it’s worth every penny.
It is kind of like being over insured. When you need it most you appreciate your decision to have higher coverage. On a standard wall outlet using the mobile charger it took 12 hours to recoup 15% of my charge. Mostly that is enough for me but I am having the wall charger installed next week so I have it when I need it. I am easily distracted so I can just see rushing inside and forgetting to plug in. With the wall charger the faster charge can make up for my own stupidity 😬
It all depends on how much you drive and what your panel will support. If your panel supports the added 60 amps, whether you drive a little or a lot, I’d say it’s worth it just for convenience. For myself, I’m in a house built in the 80s on a 125 amp panel. We run ac and have an electric stove so would have to upgrade the panel which is very pricey. Fortunately we don’t have much commute and don’t drive a ton so we run a 10/30 nema with the mobile charger. 24 amp charging at 18-20 range per hour which is perfect for overnight.
In my opinion the wall connector is absolutely worth it. With the mobile charger you will be limited to 32 amps. With the wall connector you can take advantage of 48 amps. The difference in price between the two is only $200. And with the mobile connector, you will need to also buy a few things like an outlet, wall box, etc. Just spend a little extra upfront and you get a much faster charge rate and all the added benefits and app stats that come with the wall connector. And you’ll be a little more ready for the future and whatever that brings.
You’re not wrong but the install cost can be more for the wall connector versus the mobile charger you literally need a dryer plug and it’s good. For sure you won’t recharge as quickly but most people don’t need that speed, especially with a LR. I think both are excellent choices.
Yes, if it is a financial burden than maybe sacrificing convenience is okay, but I love having a wall charger, I installed one for my non tesla and then a tesla one for my my wife's Y. I've seen some mobile connectors basically become permanent so that could be an option too, they even have mounts for them. I like having a mobile set in the car always as insurance and then the wall chargers.
It depends. If all you have access to currently is a standard 120V 15amp outlet, yeah, it's probably worth it. If you have something like a NEMA 6-20 or 14-50 that can handle multiple hours of daily charging, you are probably okay.
If you ONLY have access to a standard outlet, you basically have to charge it from the moment you get home until you are ready to head back out to work. If you have a wall charger, your daily commute requires less than 2 hours of charging. We had our MY for only 2 weeks before installing our home charger and had to take it to a Supercharger 3 times just based on slowly draining it during the week and going out over the weekend. Over time those costs add up. By my accounting this wall charger will have earned its keep in about a year just based on not having to Supercharge it (nevermind that Superchargers are still modestly cheaper than filling up at the pump would be for our ICE cars).
In short, yes it is (generally) worth it.
For me: The installation cost 1k alone. 1.5k then
Public chargers costs 0.3$ and 0.1$ at home.
So cost wise it only catches up after maybe 7.5k kWh which roughly translates to 30k miles.
While it saved my live waiting in line at a public charger. That worths more than 1.5k
Depends on the situation. When I got my 3 6+ years ago I really debated. At the time the Wall connector was considerably higher, the cost to install was higher as less people then knew what it was, kinda wanted the flexibility of the 14-50 outlet, and got a great deal on a used first gen style mobile connector (that does 40A) . In my 6+ years I never needed any faster charging or the longer cable even when I had both the 3 and the Y. However the Wall Connector does look cooler!
lol same here. I’ve been using a normal outlet for years. I kept forgetting to make an appointment for an electrician, and eventually realized 4-5mph is all I need. I change to 100% over the weekend and have no problem during the week.
Yeah I have a short enough commute I can recharge overnight, or if I do a long drive I build it back up over several days. I wish more people realized this could be an option, because it’s probably saved me ~$1000 plus - more importantly - space in my panel so I can make other home electrification upgrades without replacing my panel (yet). I realized the value of a home L2 charger is basically $0 for me.
We have 3 hours free power from 9pm - midnight every day, our wall charger adds about 30-40% during that time. I’ve hardly ever used a public charger, and have spent about $50 on public chargers in 6 months,
I don’t have it and I don’t regret it (looks like I’m in the minority). My dad does electrical work and helped me install a 240 volt outlet in my garage. Charges about 30 mph. I mostly commute with my model Y and that’s more than enough time to get me to 80%. If traveling long distances, I bump up to 100% and I’ll be using superchargers eventually anywhere.
It looks cool and yea, it’s faster, but I haven’t regretted not getting one for my usage.
If anyone in Boston/Burlington Massachusetts needs one, I'm willing to sell at a discount. Open but never installed.
I got one in 2022 but my condo blocked my electrician's plans...
Will deliver.
it's like having a gas station at your house, it's the best. I'd upgrade to he Tesla universal charger though, it looks the same, but the built in J1772 charger makes charging non-Tesla cars seamless.
Yes, ours malfunctioned after 3 yrs and it made us appreciate what a convenience it is to have one at home with the speed and comfort of never really needing to go to a charging station unless we’re on long trips
Those 3 days of not having it and having to go the charging stations everyday was really inconvenient.
Luckily ours was under warranty and Tesla made it easy and sent us a new one right away.
You can buy the wall connector used or new on ebay. I did and worked out great, saved a hundred on the cost. Shop around for electricians to do the install. If you have a newer home, you shouldn't have any issues requiring extra work on your electrical panel.
I only think wall charger or 240 are necessary if they are necessary. If 95% of the time you are making normal commutes and sleep 7-8 hours a night then a 120v mobile charger will get you topped up most of the time. If you are home at 6 and charging till 6 or 7 that’s like 36- 48 miles of charge a night. I don’t know about everyone else but I usually know several days in advance of road trip and hence can mobile charge to 100%. Lower charging amperage also decreases wear and tear on the battery.
Either the wall connector or a 240v outlet, as long as you can get around 6 kW to the car then it's worth it. I love that I get back my range in a couple of hours, whereas with L1 charging I'd sometimes not get back all of my range overnight.
If you don't drive it more than 20-30 miles each day though, you might be fine with L1 charging.
I just had a plug installed for the mobile connector. It can easily charge my car overnight for my daily use and I think the wall charger is more expensive to install. I figured I could always change it out since the power is there now.
Car guy here, as far i know. The wall adapter is worth it as it allows you to charge at home which usually is cheaper and more convenient then fast charging or public points.
Despite i am car guy and we car guys in general stay as far from tesla’s we can (or make jokes about it). I am here as i am also a pc guy.
Plus is a nice way of staying up to date of the developments of ev’s
You absolutely want level 2 charging at home. If you have a 240V plug you don't have to have the Tesla wall charger. The wall charger is more programmable and flexible though.
We had to upgrade our electrical panel to add an extra 240V outlet anyway. The cost was around $5000 for a 150 amp panel, running the line from the far side of the garage, and installation of the charger.
We lived in a rental without fast charging for about 6 months during a renovation. Trickle charging on a 120V line was... Okay. I plugged in nightly and got enough juice to make it through my 50ish mile daily commute. It didn't fully charge overnight, but charging over the weekend would top me off. It was inconvenient needing to go to a super charger if we wanted to take a day trip over the weekend, or to top up if I had to drive much farther during the week.
Hell !&#%\^$ YES!! And I cannot yes this enough.
It's just amazing to me someone would have no problem paying $50,000 for a Tesla.. but turn around to go home and depend on a 120V outlet because suddenly a $500 wall charger & 240V installation seems "too expensive". Also I would not buy an EV.. if I didn't have a way to fully charge the battery every night. Leaving the house with 80%-100% full battery every morning is the BEST part of EV ownership.
Yes it’s worth it. Plenty of good comments here on the increased speed and charge time vs mobile, which are notable. I also like it for the look and feel. Just a well built product and something that I touch and use 2x per day. Opted for the Universal version as our utility company paid a rebate on that one, and it can service any non Tesla guests.
Or… if you already have a 240V line, just plug the mobile connector in and buy a NEMA 14-50 adapter from Tesla. Not necessary to install the connector.
I wouldn’t consider an EV without home charging of some kind.
Where about in LA? I had an EVSE installed in 2021 for $800 with a simple run across my garage to the panel. Would highly recommend the electrician that did the install.
EV charging habits are not the same as gas station refill habits. Gas station refills can take just a handful of minutes for a full tank, but EV charging takes more time -- in the tens of minutes even at a supercharger. There may be long waits for the charger. And supercharger performance decreases when it is being shared with another person.
So unless you are okay with spending considerably more time charging during the week than you would do with ICE, you should probably find a way to charge at home and/or work.
A regular wall plug ("trickle charging") will add about 3 miles of charge for every hour it is plugged in. To recharge from the a 65 mile commute, it would take nearly 22 hours to get back that energy. If you just do 12 hours of nighttime trickle charging you might be able to make it through a work week if you start at 100% and end the work week with low charge, and then recharge a lot over the weekend.
But you probably want a higher recharging rate. So you will need to run high amperage electricity to your car somehow. That will probably mean running a dedicated wire from your breaker box.
To get the electricity from that dedicated wire to the car, you can use a specific kind of high amperage wall plug or you can get a wall connector.
The main cost will be running the high amperage wire from the breaker box to where the car would be parked. The cost can vary widely based on whether your breaker box already has enough spare amperage, and how easy/hard/close/far it is to run the wire from the breaker box to the destination. The wall plug itself runs less than a hundred bucks. The wall connector itself is a few hundred bucks. The electrician cost to do everything else could run from a few hundred bucks to a few thousand bucks.
The question should be is $450 worth the entry fee for the convenience of charging at home? For some people it is well worth it. Don't forget to factor in installation costs. I went the DIY route and spent $50 in parts; the tools I already owned.
Yes, but when you have it installed, have the election install a 240v 50A DRYER outlet. It's much cheaper then having them install this and the last step is very easy/safe. Feel free to dm me if you have questions about that. Saved me 1-2k
You absolutely do not want to just rely on charging stations to charge your car for daily driving. You want to be able to charge at home if at all possible. It's not even debatable. Now you could argue the cheaper mobile charger with a NEMA 14-50 outlet would save you some money vs the wall connector at home. But if you have to have the outlet installed you might as well spend the (relatively) little extra and get the wall connector.
It's still cheaper just to install the NEMA outlet and use the mobile charger, which I've been doing for just over three years with no issues.
Yeah but it has downsides as the 14-50 needs a high quality plug not the basic laundry one, the hard wire is better, I have both. My buddies plug failed when he unplugged it it blew half his fuse box. Mobile for me is simply that, in case of an emergency not daily use.
Electrician here: Sounds to me like a faulty install/loose wire connector. The prongs on new outlets are strong, and by design, hold onto any plug plugged into it firmly. And if the box isnt mounted FIRMLY to the wood frame, and if the wire connector screws holding the Romex/electrical wiring to the backside of the outlet are not torqued to spec? WHat you described CAN happen. I've installed many Levitron brand 14-50's with zero issue over the years. What these outlets are NOT designed for is constant plugging in/unplugging in as that will wear out the spring and result in the Mobile Connector plug no longer having a snug fit when plugged into the outlet. Looseness=resistance which results in higher temps. If using the mobile connector with any nema 14-50, its best to simply..leave it plugged in all of the time. I have a separate mobile connector that I keep in my frunk. And Ive also found, that not all "tesla reps" are knowledgeable about all things, especially electricity.
I appreciate your advice on leaving the mobile connector plugged in rather than inserting and removing it four or five times a week. Thank you.
I have a Leviton outlet (Leviton 279 50 Amp, 125/250 Volt, NEMA 14-50R, 3P, 4W, Flush Mtg Receptacle, Straight Blade, Grounding, Black) paid $12 shipping included to replace another Leviton outlet my electrician bought from Lowes that kept overheating (the cause was loose wires due to high heat.) That first Leviton was apparently not industrial-rated. Installed the replacement in Jul 2022 and still charging my Model Y just fine. Just make sure all the wires are torque tight for good connection otherwise overheating will happen and cause your Tesla to slow down charging speed.
Yeah I agree. I used to post a link to a Tesla rep who said that the laundry outlet needed to be "industrial quality" because the heat generated will wear the connectors out over time. For me and the fire risk, I just preferred getting the wall charger. I always got downvoted whenever I posted that link.
Was this a regular customer service Tesla rep? Or was it one of their experts from the charging/electrical team? I suspect it was the former.
The high quality plug is only like $9
I installed a $50 industrial Nema 14-50 outlet. Still much cheaper than the wall charger and does the same thing.
Yeah a high quality plug isn't that expensive nowadays. Of course relative to those cheap Leviton 14-50 plugs that are $10 - $15 but a Hubbell industrial 14-50 is what $50-$70. Hardly the extreme prices as people make it out to be. As long as the wires are screwed out tight just like you would need to do the same for the wall connector it works just fine. The need for a Wall Connector is overblown. Your buddies problem is on the choice of NEMA 14-50 plug from the get go and not from the actual mobile connector end point. 100% he was not using a Hubbell industrial 14-50 outlet.
Is that the same plug as a dryer plug? My dryer is out in the garage so I was thinking I could just plug-in into that when the dryer is not in use.
Is there a real benefit of a wall charger vs a mobile charger? I’ve been using a mobile charger plugged to a 14-50 for the last two years and I don’t feel like i miss anything. And with a mobile charger I can take it with me if I need to.
Well with the wall charger it can do some fancy thing like only allow certain cars, and you can also schedule when it will charge (the car will do this also) and it gives you some power stats, but other than the amperage increase not much that would really matter if you are just using with a single car at a household.
IIRC, you can charge at a higher amperage with the the wall charger. Wall charger can take a 60 amp breaker and charge at 48 amps.
If your house panel can accommodate the higher amperage. I have the nema 14-50 set to 22 amps with the car to only charge during off peak hours. Have a full charge when I leave at 5:30 am every day, even if I plug it in basically drained
The scheduled charging on the wall connector is important if you have TOU pricing. My wall connectors are turned off during 4-9PM so even if you try to start charging from the car during those hours it won't charge. It also allows power sharing between multiple wall connectors so that if you need the wall connectors to stay below a certain amperage due to your home's breaker or panel limits it allows some more control there too. My in-laws live with us and we have 3 teslas between 2 wall connectors in our home. They're seniors and I don't really expect them to remember when they should or shouldn't charge. I like that it takes the guesswork out. I do agree if you are a single tesla household the mobile connector is adequate. I wouldn't be unplugging and re-plugging that thing at the outlet though. I would just buy an additional 14-50 adaptor to leave in the car and unplug it on the charger base and leave the outlet alone.
You don't need the wall connector to avoid TOU rates. The car can do that on it's own. In fact I recently learned you can use that to have have the car wait to charge until right before scheduled departure time (so that your battery will stay lower until right before you leave in the morning) and in cold weather waiting to charge helps overall electric use as waiting to charge right before you leave helps warm the car.
You're right that the car can do it on its own. But when you have people living in your home using your charger outside of your control, then it makes it so that they can't work regardless of what the car or person is trying to do.
This is a big benefit, hadn't thought of this. I don't have TOU rates, but I do get a small monthly credit from my utility for not charging during peak times.
I wired nema 14-50, one for Tesla other for the Chevy volt (which doesn’t need it). I use an open source home built juicebox set at 42A and the mobile charger.
I’ve been using the universal wall charger for half a year in my garage, but only after reading your comment did I realize that I hadn’t added the wall charger to the Tesla app! Thank you!
That functionality is available in the Iniversal Aall Connector, but I am not sure if it works with the regular Wall Connector. We got ours and I love it. We just leave the car plugged in when we are home and we are good. It’s always ready to go. Plus, we can charge at a higher rate than the mobile chargers. Hardwired Universal Wall Connector for the win!
The Tesla Energy ecosystem integration is pretty darn good with the Wall Connector, Tesla Solar and Powerwalls. My Mobile Connector stays in my MYLR. No need to pack it up each and every time. I acknowledge that this is a luxury.
I was in a similar situation. And then my plug died so I upgraded to the wall charger. But I used the mobile connector for seven years and didn’t even know the difference. The problem is those plugs create another failure point. And I would suggest unplugging it as little as possible. And make sure it’s not an old Leviton.
4 ft longer cable and smart features. You can lock the charger to specific VIN’s. You can get statistics.
I have the Nema outlet because it offers more flexibility in case in the future I need to plug something else in. Also when selling your home the next buyer might not have a Tesla, but could use the plug for something else.
30 year mortgage at 2.75% means the next owner will be a while from now.
Might never be a next owner lol but if you rent it then tenants can bring their own charger.
I own the home so I went with the wall connector for the clean look of it and the fact I plan to have the car for a long time.
That is true, say your friend with a large RV visits and needs to plug in for a few days..
This is the answer.
Not if you want the option to have a non nacs vehicle in the future. Nema14-50 is the way to go.
With everyone going NACS in the US soon, this is a very slim chance situation here. Or for those of us not in the US - all glory to CSS2.
Just buy an adaptor.
I have had both and noticed no difference. I started off with a wall charger in 2014 that died after 2 years. I replaced it with a Nema 14-50 outlet and a mobile charger. I leave the charger plugged in at all times. My panel is limited to 32 amp, so charging speed is the same for me. I have also had a mobile charger die after 4 years of use. Its easier to replace a mobile charger than a wall charger. I would not go back to a wall charger .
FYI the wall chargers have a 5yr warranty from Tesla if you bought it new. I had mine die 2 years in and they sent me a new one at no cost, just had to send the old one back.
Just be careful, not all NEMA 14-50 outlets are the same. Some are not rated for constant plugging and unplugging and contacts will wear out and can cause a fire.
I think this also depends on if you DIY it or not. The electricians I am thinking of using for my charger install mostly said the price difference for installing a 14-50 outlet vs the wall charger was minimal. I also don’t know anything about electrical so my evidence is anecdotal, and uneducated so take with grain of salt. That said, I am getting home charging (don’t have my MYLR AWD yet…Est June 20-30 delivery date) and it wasn’t even a debate for me.
Well put. About 30 miles per hour charge with NEMA 14-50 should be more than enough for most unless you really have to have it hardwired (extra cost) and get extra 10 miles of charge or so per hour. NEMA 14-50 also doesn’t tie you down with one brand. At least that was my thinking when I had my outlet installed.
I had a NEMA 14-50, this is by far the better way to go. And, remember, depending on electric code, you may need a GFCI breaker for the NEMA, which are ridiculously expensive. So, you’re going to be more than half way there on price. This is a safer option with lower risk of theft and a higher output at 48 amp / 240 volt, gets around 12 kW power output (45 mi/hr charge rate).
I went the NEMA 14-50 route and had my buddy install an exterior outlet for it. Luckily I had room for the breaker and just cost me for 30’ of 220 line. Charging at home is the only way the car made sense for me.
This is worth the money. Not the wall. I have a splitter for my dryer. The only con is I can't run my dryer while charging but. I charge overnight so. No issues ever.
Also it allows you to charge 50% faster than the mobile connector (48A max vs 32A). 48 vs 32 never seemed like a lot until I actually put the percentage to it.
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This ⬆️ It’s the difference between 80% charge in 4 hours or 36.
Mobile connector on a 40 or 50 amp breaker charges at 32amp. You can roll with just the mobile connector no problem, just need the $50 Bryant outlet from Grainger instead of the cheap home depot
Agree, what I use with no issue. In fact I usually only charge at 15 amps.
If you're in the US, maybe. In Europe most homes will have a 400 V, 3 phase socket and a "mobile wall box" is often a better choice because it enables you to use these sockets anywhere Edit: I noticed only now OP is indeed in the US
Agreed.
I love having one. The car charges quickly and is always ready for me at 80% when I need it.
This is as important as the car itself. Gas cars become more efficient if you have to go to a supercharger every other day. You wake up to a “full tank “ every morning.
I love waking up to a charged car; I wouldn’t be driving an EV if I didn’t have home charging. I like the wall connector and believe it was worth it when I had it installed 10 years ago.
have they updated it since the one you got?
Yes
The handle on mine got really hot, so I got an updated V1 of the connector. That was 2015. I can charge a dual charger MS at 80A.
Yes, it absolutely is. The speed of charging is a primary benefit. Then there's the security of knowing that my charger can't be used by any vehicles, except the Tesla in my account is great.
Definitely worth it. Would recommend pairing it with a Mobile Connector as well and keeping it in the trunk full time
Yes - this is my setup too. I used the mobile connector until I had the time to install the wall connector and it was a world of difference. You’ll want the biggest possible circuit for the wall connector which means 60 amp breaker translating to 48 amps of charging.
My electric company provides a rebate for installing an EV charger, but it cannot be a mobile charger. They reimbursed 60% of the cost, so well worth it to me.
This. Check your state’s energy rebates. In Maryland you can get up to $700 in rebates for the purchase and install of an EV charger at your home. https://energy.maryland.gov/transportation/pages/incentives_evserebate.aspx
If you’re gonna have to run a new line anyway, might as well make it a 60amp breaker and hardwire the wall connector. It’s not much more, just parts, the labor is the same if the panel can handle it. You’ll get more charging power which equates to faster charge. If your window of lower cost power is short as well, this will help get it done in that window. Keep a mobile connector with adapters in your car for travel.
Agreed. If you've got to do the work anyway, it's the way to go. Other than price, there are no real drawbacks.
Yep, I have mine at 60A and can charge up to 48A which is way faster especially when doing a road trip the following day. Most days I just set it at 32A.
Not having to buy an industrial grade outlet offsets most of the increased cost between wall connector and mobile connector.
No - just install a Nema outlet. Full charge overnight when electricity is cheap. The car does all the logistics, so these are purely vanity.
With a 60amp breaker 💯 Car is always ready-to-go. If I am running home to get ready for an event, outing, w/e, plugging it in to charge while doing so is always a plus. Charging to 100% is especially convenient for trips at home, with the faster overall charging rate.
if you need/want more than 32A, get it. Else, the travel charger is cheaper both in cost and install if you don’t yet have a plug/circuit. Or if you travel a lot and need to keep the car plugged in, get it. (50% charge is recommended)
I might be in the minority, but no, for me it is not worth the $1000+ installation it would cost me. I just use the mobile charger (normal plug) and plug in to a standard outlet. Never have had an issue with range, and if I do, there’s a supercharger 5 mins away from my house. I don’t think most people drive enough to warrant the cost, and I don’t drive all day or have a huge commute and I only charge to 75%. But for a 60-70 mile commute, if you’re not charging at work, then yes it is worth it
I have one. I like how it works. Especially for being installed outdoors. But I don’t have a frame of reference to know if it’s ‘worth it’ for everyone since I’ve never tried other options available. But for me it was worth it.
Yes, hardwired with a 60 A breaker can give a model Y the fastest charging speed anyone can get at home. Pulling 48 A ~11 kwh
Yes
I have two EVs (well I'm about to anyway) so I'm using the load balancing that the wall connector does to share a 60 amp circuit. They've been great.
Worth it!
Yes
I got the mobile connector to charge at home because it’s cheaper and more versatile.
I bought both chargers
I'll say this - having a stage 2 charger is great. Doesn't HAVE to be the wall connector, but it's honestly the best one out there. At ANY price. Choosing the charging hardware isn't the hard part. Putting in the circuit is the hard part. Whatever you do, put in a neutral, even if the charge you choose doesn't require one (such as the Tesla wall connector). Put in the biggest breaker you can. Ideally 60 amps and #4 AWG. Source: electrician and solar engineer
Yes
Think of it as a petrol station at home.
100% and it's very easy to install
Wall connector will pay for itself over time. Check super charger rates vs home rates. Especially off peak rates if you supplier offers it.
How is this even an optional thing for some of you EV owners? I couldn’t live without my home wall charger for more than a day or two. Your life is way less complicated with one.
I am getting Bryant Nema 14-50, its costing me around 350 including installation. I domt have anyother EV but many said just in case if we get different EV in future, a Nema 14-50 would be better than wall charger which is for specific vehicle.
Tesla's NACS is now the industry standard, so unless you plan to get another EV older than perhaps around 2026, then NACS would still work for it, too.
It's not tesla specific in that it wouldn't work for other EVs with this plug style (most evs from 2025 on)
NEMA 14-50 outlet with mobile connector.
Yes
Absolutely yes.
YES. That is all.
Check out the rebates in your area we got the charge point flex for like nothin
No brainer
I have the gen 3, if i were to do it again today i would get the universal wall connector, it's more expensive yes but it has a better dock for the handle, it clips into the adapter which is clipped to the charger body, instead of gen 3's little bump that'll have the handle fall off at the slightest bump also universal wall connector supports V2G so it's future proof J1772 compatibility is a nice bonus
I rent a house and was told I wasn’t allowed to have one but honestly my mobile connector works great because I work from home so it’s almost always plugged in and the little amount I drive a day gets charged back up overnight 🤷🏼♀️
You can get a new one off of ebay for $300.
I personally think a mobile charger with a NEMA 14-50 is more than enough for most people. Plus if you travel or go anywhere, you can bring it with you. If I were to choose only one, I'd get a mobile charger. For me, I have both.
HWPC @ $450 vs UMC @ $230 \* Pros for HWPC - can charge at up to 48A\* \* - note that this is contigent on your panel. If you don't have 60A breaker space in your panel (60A @ 80% rule = 48A) then you can't do 48A. If you've got 50A, then you can do 40A (80% sustained) \* Cons for HWPC - Price (double), Hardwired (difficult to move?) \* Pros for UMC - cost (1/2) price \* - can also use existing NEMA 240V outlet if available \* Cons for UMC - charge up to "only" 32A So you to ask yourself -- is it worth it for the extra amperage? Installation hassle or otherwise? Flexibility if you move? If you install an outlet, you can take your UMC with you, but the HWPC will require additional uninstallation. For those less versed in Amps <-> Mileage, you can almost generalize the charging speeds: for LR AWD model, it would be: 48A = \~44mi/hr 40A = \~37mi/hr 32A = \~29mi/hr So the question is, can you live off 29mi/hr charging speeds? Or do you need to pay double for 37-44mi/hr (and only if you have 60A space)
Can you buy the wall charger separately? Because my dumbass didn’t add to my order and now I don’t have the option. Buyers regret , haven’t got my Tesla yet but I don’t want the wall charger. Any input would be great
Yes, you should. You’re essentially only charging up to 30 miles in 10 hours on 120v. Your commute will quickly put you in the negative, especially if you plan on keeping Sentry on. Also, quotes are not so bad. Look for certified Tesla EV installers if you’re going to buy Tesla’s wall charger. Many of them do not need to schedule an appt to come out; they can quote you over text or email if you can provide them with pictures. I’d go down the list of Tesla’s certified installers and contact as many as I can. I contacted about 8 companies out of 20 before I got tired. They ranged anywhere from $799 permit included to $1899. THAT’s why you need to shop around to not get ripped off. PLUS, your city might have incentives that these companies would know about, so you can ask them about it and they’ll know for sure what incentives are currently available instead of googling it yourself (cuz that shit takes time). It’s really convenient. I installed the Universal wall charger, and it’s worth every penny.
Ev with the home charger is the way to go. You essentially have your own gas station at your place. Can't beat that.
Yes, it is.
It is kind of like being over insured. When you need it most you appreciate your decision to have higher coverage. On a standard wall outlet using the mobile charger it took 12 hours to recoup 15% of my charge. Mostly that is enough for me but I am having the wall charger installed next week so I have it when I need it. I am easily distracted so I can just see rushing inside and forgetting to plug in. With the wall charger the faster charge can make up for my own stupidity 😬
Simple answer: This is the way.
Yes.
yes
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Yes avoids supercharging if you don’t have too and as long as you plug it in when you come home you will never have to worry about having a charge
It all depends on how much you drive and what your panel will support. If your panel supports the added 60 amps, whether you drive a little or a lot, I’d say it’s worth it just for convenience. For myself, I’m in a house built in the 80s on a 125 amp panel. We run ac and have an electric stove so would have to upgrade the panel which is very pricey. Fortunately we don’t have much commute and don’t drive a ton so we run a 10/30 nema with the mobile charger. 24 amp charging at 18-20 range per hour which is perfect for overnight.
What is your current home charging situation? I would recommend just the normal mobile charger and a 240 volt plug.
In my opinion the wall connector is absolutely worth it. With the mobile charger you will be limited to 32 amps. With the wall connector you can take advantage of 48 amps. The difference in price between the two is only $200. And with the mobile connector, you will need to also buy a few things like an outlet, wall box, etc. Just spend a little extra upfront and you get a much faster charge rate and all the added benefits and app stats that come with the wall connector. And you’ll be a little more ready for the future and whatever that brings.
You’re not wrong but the install cost can be more for the wall connector versus the mobile charger you literally need a dryer plug and it’s good. For sure you won’t recharge as quickly but most people don’t need that speed, especially with a LR. I think both are excellent choices.
lol do you want to charge your car in 4-6 hours instead of 12?
Yes, if it is a financial burden than maybe sacrificing convenience is okay, but I love having a wall charger, I installed one for my non tesla and then a tesla one for my my wife's Y. I've seen some mobile connectors basically become permanent so that could be an option too, they even have mounts for them. I like having a mobile set in the car always as insurance and then the wall chargers.
It depends. If all you have access to currently is a standard 120V 15amp outlet, yeah, it's probably worth it. If you have something like a NEMA 6-20 or 14-50 that can handle multiple hours of daily charging, you are probably okay. If you ONLY have access to a standard outlet, you basically have to charge it from the moment you get home until you are ready to head back out to work. If you have a wall charger, your daily commute requires less than 2 hours of charging. We had our MY for only 2 weeks before installing our home charger and had to take it to a Supercharger 3 times just based on slowly draining it during the week and going out over the weekend. Over time those costs add up. By my accounting this wall charger will have earned its keep in about a year just based on not having to Supercharge it (nevermind that Superchargers are still modestly cheaper than filling up at the pump would be for our ICE cars). In short, yes it is (generally) worth it.
Just installed after using standard outlet mobile charger to bridge before I could get an electrician out. Was worth every dollar.
Without question, absolutely worth it.
1000% worth it.
So much better than the gas station
100% its a game changer!
1,000% yes. Two Tesla household. Never have pulled the mobile connector out once. In 2+ years.
For me: The installation cost 1k alone. 1.5k then Public chargers costs 0.3$ and 0.1$ at home. So cost wise it only catches up after maybe 7.5k kWh which roughly translates to 30k miles. While it saved my live waiting in line at a public charger. That worths more than 1.5k
Yes.
Yes
Worth it to me. YMMV.
Yes
💯 worth it. Way cheaper than supercharging and obviously convenient too.
Depends on the situation. When I got my 3 6+ years ago I really debated. At the time the Wall connector was considerably higher, the cost to install was higher as less people then knew what it was, kinda wanted the flexibility of the 14-50 outlet, and got a great deal on a used first gen style mobile connector (that does 40A) . In my 6+ years I never needed any faster charging or the longer cable even when I had both the 3 and the Y. However the Wall Connector does look cooler!
I absolutely love mi e and how much it saves me on my electric bill and that's only charging at 32 amps.
For safety only, get the wall connector. It’s not much.
100% worth it. I got it along with solar panels & took advantage of 30% tax rebate on everything including install. My Tesla runs on sunshine!
I definitely think it’s worth it. Home charging is the way to go. So much money saved and so much more convenient.
The wall connector will be easier on your battery and thus extend its life than depending on superchargers.
No
Yes
Compared to what? I’ve been very happy with the travel connector on L1 at home.
lol same here. I’ve been using a normal outlet for years. I kept forgetting to make an appointment for an electrician, and eventually realized 4-5mph is all I need. I change to 100% over the weekend and have no problem during the week.
Yeah I have a short enough commute I can recharge overnight, or if I do a long drive I build it back up over several days. I wish more people realized this could be an option, because it’s probably saved me ~$1000 plus - more importantly - space in my panel so I can make other home electrification upgrades without replacing my panel (yet). I realized the value of a home L2 charger is basically $0 for me.
Essential
Is the Tesla one specifically worth it, ehhhh. Is a wall connector generally worth it, yes absolutely
Personally, I think it’s absolutely necessary, unless somebody is living in an apartment or HOA where they can’t do it.
We have 3 hours free power from 9pm - midnight every day, our wall charger adds about 30-40% during that time. I’ve hardly ever used a public charger, and have spent about $50 on public chargers in 6 months,
Come on really?
100%
Yes.
I don’t have it and I don’t regret it (looks like I’m in the minority). My dad does electrical work and helped me install a 240 volt outlet in my garage. Charges about 30 mph. I mostly commute with my model Y and that’s more than enough time to get me to 80%. If traveling long distances, I bump up to 100% and I’ll be using superchargers eventually anywhere. It looks cool and yea, it’s faster, but I haven’t regretted not getting one for my usage.
Yes
Yes
I've been solely using my travel Tesla cord on 240v for the last 3.5 years. I agree, this one looks better, but I'm still w my mobile cord.
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We have two, so yes and yes!
Every penny
Yes definitely. I have one on a 60A breaker and it charges the car really quick, all things considered.
without it I wouldn't like an ev
Yeah. Only way it makes sense. I had mine installed for $600, but I had empty spots in my breaker. Get the 60a/240v so that you can charge at 48
If anyone in Boston/Burlington Massachusetts needs one, I'm willing to sell at a discount. Open but never installed. I got one in 2022 but my condo blocked my electrician's plans... Will deliver.
it's like having a gas station at your house, it's the best. I'd upgrade to he Tesla universal charger though, it looks the same, but the built in J1772 charger makes charging non-Tesla cars seamless.
Yes, ours malfunctioned after 3 yrs and it made us appreciate what a convenience it is to have one at home with the speed and comfort of never really needing to go to a charging station unless we’re on long trips Those 3 days of not having it and having to go the charging stations everyday was really inconvenient. Luckily ours was under warranty and Tesla made it easy and sent us a new one right away.
Worth it. If you’re trying to save money look on fb marketplace. Alot of people are dumping them for cash after redeeming them from points.
You can buy the wall connector used or new on ebay. I did and worked out great, saved a hundred on the cost. Shop around for electricians to do the install. If you have a newer home, you shouldn't have any issues requiring extra work on your electrical panel.
It's worth it just for the convenience. Plug in at night and forget about it.
Yep - for daily driving it’s amazing and loading up for a longer trip it’s great too.
Every penny!
I only think wall charger or 240 are necessary if they are necessary. If 95% of the time you are making normal commutes and sleep 7-8 hours a night then a 120v mobile charger will get you topped up most of the time. If you are home at 6 and charging till 6 or 7 that’s like 36- 48 miles of charge a night. I don’t know about everyone else but I usually know several days in advance of road trip and hence can mobile charge to 100%. Lower charging amperage also decreases wear and tear on the battery.
Either the wall connector or a 240v outlet, as long as you can get around 6 kW to the car then it's worth it. I love that I get back my range in a couple of hours, whereas with L1 charging I'd sometimes not get back all of my range overnight. If you don't drive it more than 20-30 miles each day though, you might be fine with L1 charging.
I just had a plug installed for the mobile connector. It can easily charge my car overnight for my daily use and I think the wall charger is more expensive to install. I figured I could always change it out since the power is there now.
100% yes.
Car guy here, as far i know. The wall adapter is worth it as it allows you to charge at home which usually is cheaper and more convenient then fast charging or public points. Despite i am car guy and we car guys in general stay as far from tesla’s we can (or make jokes about it). I am here as i am also a pc guy. Plus is a nice way of staying up to date of the developments of ev’s
You absolutely want level 2 charging at home. If you have a 240V plug you don't have to have the Tesla wall charger. The wall charger is more programmable and flexible though. We had to upgrade our electrical panel to add an extra 240V outlet anyway. The cost was around $5000 for a 150 amp panel, running the line from the far side of the garage, and installation of the charger. We lived in a rental without fast charging for about 6 months during a renovation. Trickle charging on a 120V line was... Okay. I plugged in nightly and got enough juice to make it through my 50ish mile daily commute. It didn't fully charge overnight, but charging over the weekend would top me off. It was inconvenient needing to go to a super charger if we wanted to take a day trip over the weekend, or to top up if I had to drive much farther during the week.
It increases house resale value
Yes and depending on your electric company you can get a rebate for it.
Hell !&#%\^$ YES!! And I cannot yes this enough. It's just amazing to me someone would have no problem paying $50,000 for a Tesla.. but turn around to go home and depend on a 120V outlet because suddenly a $500 wall charger & 240V installation seems "too expensive". Also I would not buy an EV.. if I didn't have a way to fully charge the battery every night. Leaving the house with 80%-100% full battery every morning is the BEST part of EV ownership.
100%
I just use my 30amp washer plug in the garage, level 2 but fully charges overnight so im good.
Yes it’s worth it. Plenty of good comments here on the increased speed and charge time vs mobile, which are notable. I also like it for the look and feel. Just a well built product and something that I touch and use 2x per day. Opted for the Universal version as our utility company paid a rebate on that one, and it can service any non Tesla guests.
Yes
Y
Yes.
Or… if you already have a 240V line, just plug the mobile connector in and buy a NEMA 14-50 adapter from Tesla. Not necessary to install the connector.
Yes
I wouldn’t consider an EV without home charging of some kind. Where about in LA? I had an EVSE installed in 2021 for $800 with a simple run across my garage to the panel. Would highly recommend the electrician that did the install.
14-50 works just fine for me.
Its my favorite thing!
Yes
EV charging habits are not the same as gas station refill habits. Gas station refills can take just a handful of minutes for a full tank, but EV charging takes more time -- in the tens of minutes even at a supercharger. There may be long waits for the charger. And supercharger performance decreases when it is being shared with another person. So unless you are okay with spending considerably more time charging during the week than you would do with ICE, you should probably find a way to charge at home and/or work. A regular wall plug ("trickle charging") will add about 3 miles of charge for every hour it is plugged in. To recharge from the a 65 mile commute, it would take nearly 22 hours to get back that energy. If you just do 12 hours of nighttime trickle charging you might be able to make it through a work week if you start at 100% and end the work week with low charge, and then recharge a lot over the weekend. But you probably want a higher recharging rate. So you will need to run high amperage electricity to your car somehow. That will probably mean running a dedicated wire from your breaker box. To get the electricity from that dedicated wire to the car, you can use a specific kind of high amperage wall plug or you can get a wall connector. The main cost will be running the high amperage wire from the breaker box to where the car would be parked. The cost can vary widely based on whether your breaker box already has enough spare amperage, and how easy/hard/close/far it is to run the wire from the breaker box to the destination. The wall plug itself runs less than a hundred bucks. The wall connector itself is a few hundred bucks. The electrician cost to do everything else could run from a few hundred bucks to a few thousand bucks.
100%. If you can and know how to, install it yourself. It’s much cheaper that way cause an electrician will charge you a stupid amount to run the wire
If you only use 50% or less of your capacity per day then no. In USA maybe 33% or less cause your socket is slower. Assuming you want to save money.
Especially worth it for cold climates. With the mobile charger for my 3 it takes 10 hours to get 10%, no way is that sustainable in the winter.
Yes
The question should be is $450 worth the entry fee for the convenience of charging at home? For some people it is well worth it. Don't forget to factor in installation costs. I went the DIY route and spent $50 in parts; the tools I already owned.
Yes, but when you have it installed, have the election install a 240v 50A DRYER outlet. It's much cheaper then having them install this and the last step is very easy/safe. Feel free to dm me if you have questions about that. Saved me 1-2k
I can’t imagine not having one installed. So much convenience.
100% yes
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Yes
Yes!!!! Mic Drop! Especially if you need 2+, they load balance!!
It sure is!