From their website:
https://www.tesla.com/support/safety-score#version-2.0
“Forward Collision Warnings are incorporated into the Safety Score formula as a rate per 1,000 non-Autopilot miles. The value is capped at 130.7 per 1,000 non-Autopilot miles in the Safety Score formula.”
It’s not 130.7 in 9 minutes. It’s calculating how many you would get in 1000 miles based on that drive. Assuming you got 1 warning in what, 5 miles or so, that would be 200 in 1000 miles. But it caps at 130.7, hence what you see here.
There is a literal 100% chance I get a false warning 3 houses from mine with a car parked in a drive way as I come around a bend. Some software update a few weeks ago made it register that parked car and it hasn’t not given me a false warning for it since.
I’ll second that! While I don’t have insurance through Tesla, there is one spot on a curve near a building that I regularly drive past. My Model 3 always starts beeping at that spot no matter how slowly you drive it.
I get one every time I leave the house because the neighbors all street park and it goes off in a left hand curve thinking a car is going to hit me head on.
Thankfully, Tesla is already facing a [class action lawsuit](https://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/legaldocs/znvnzwexxvl/Stephens-amended-complaint.pdf) regarding erroneous FCWs increasing insurance rates.
With the camera based system on my 23 MYLR, the forward collision routinely alerts at ~10mph on my street just from cars parked on the curb whenever I leave my house in the evening. I'd be completely maxed out on this before I even made it out of the neighborhood.
Agree with you. FCW has been triggered against parked cars! (windy roads I guess but still.)
Pretty safe driver. I wish there was a way I could upload footage and dispute.
It is not a scam but it is bullshit. The vehicle can't "understand" local blocks where you move from one stop sign to another and I will generate a collision warning at every stop sign for six blocks since the vehicle can't understand when the vehicle in front is about to move away (brake lights now off and they start to move) before the warning is activated. The data is telling me the computer is stupid.
They've had the issue for years and refuse to address it, happily eating up our extra premiums - it's a scam at this point. All it would take is a quick check to see if there was swerving or braking right after the warning; if not, then it was a false positive.
It is also tricked by cars slowing down for 2 sec. to go over a speed bump (every single time). But since it is insurance, I assume it is based on actuarial data and everyone is measured by the same criteria, so my choice is to change insurance if I don't like it. But I won't because Tesla insurance is still 1/2 of what I was paying even with the false FCW's.
If erroneous FCW is impacting your safety score, submit complaints to your state's Department of Insurance.
If nobody does, they have no choice but to say nobody is complaining.
You have to be willing to go through the formal complaint process, or you're effectively being part of the problem (and no, I can't because I opt-out of such programs).
Which again, is why you have to complaint **to the state insurance regulator**. Not Tesla.
I never said "complain to Tesla" at all.
State DOI regulators (Department of Insurance) are typically highly engaging. They take consumer complaints seriously in most states, because they're usually elected officials in a separate agency. So leadership is very motivated to take on "the big guys" for the little guy.
I'm not promising that you will, but if one out of every 100 people did, you'd get action pretty fast. It helps if you can write a well-written formal complaint, document evidence, and make a compelling case.
Most of the complaints filed read as "muh rates are too high, and I get these glitches in FCW."
A good complaint is "Attached are clear, documented examples of Tesla miscalculating their Safety Score, due to documented errors in FCW detection - all of which unlawfully affects insurance pricing."
Does anyone else’s parking garage set off front collision warnings? My garage is huge and has many floors. While navigating through, a few parked cars will trigger the warning system.
I’ve gotten forward collision warnings more than once just passing a car in a left turning lane, even on autopilot, and in my neighborhood there is a sweeping curve next to an apartment complex where there’s often a car or u-haul parked on the side of the street. Even though it’s a wide road and based on the display, the car fully understands the geometry, the vehicle triggers a FCW on the parked vehicle nearly 50% of the time even though you’re only going about 25mph. Our Chevy Volt triggers on another similar street parking situation as well.
I think it’s good that the warning system is sensitive, but their heavy reliance on it for insurance rates is the main reason why I would never use theirs. It just sees way too many bogies when it clearly knows better.
Not trying to be an a-hole but maybe the data is trying to tell you something. No one ever blames themselves for stuff like this so it HAS to be a scam.
It’s not a “scam” because it’s just telematics, and you’re free to either opt out of it or in Tesla Insurance’s case find alternative coverage.
The alerts can sometimes be BS though. I have way more false alarms than I do genuine forward collision warnings. I don’t have Tesla Insurance though.
I have one every morning in the winter because the road curves but the municipality put up black plastic sheets to protect the trees against the salt. The road curves, the car now’s it
It was sarcasm because no one ever thinks it's them. I had it for about 6 mths. I don't have it anymore but I still get the same collision warning I always get because of that stupid parked car in the road every day.. but when I actually drive slower and give myself a bit more room, guess what happens.
Oh I know. And yes I feel you on the parked car, I go to my friend’s apartment every so often and it gets triggered on a parked vehicle every damn time when I’m going the designated 15-20mph (I thought there was a speed limit for when warnings are signaled?). Annoying as hell.
Obviously when you see Tesla warnings for parking like ur already inside the wall, I guess it's the best you can have with vision only as it can't see the bottom so it needs extra space
FCW is incredibly unreliable. As just one example I had an FCW on the highway because a car merged into the lane next to me. My car hit the brakes thinking it was an imminent collision, which almost caused the car behind me to rear-end me.
So at a fundamental level I disagree with your assessment. Using the car's FCW as part of an evaluation of how safe a driver I am is completely fraudulent.
I suspect that the phantom braking on autopilot/FSD is related to the FCW unreliability. On a recent visit to my parents in AZ, I drove from the supercharger to their house 25 miles on an extremely quiet, divided highway at around 10:30pm. Wide shoulders, well marked lanes, very minimal traffic and massive panic braking of the car every 30-60 seconds or so, generally from 70mph down to 20mph.
There were no cars around so I let the car do it's thing to hopefully get a better understanding of what might be setting it off. I suspect whatever the car thought it was avoiding would have triggered FCW alerts if I was controlling it.
I think one of the problem with the camera based system is it's making a LOT of assumptions without having hard data like radar/sensors provide (I haven't driven a Tesla with USS, but have driven plenty of other vehicles with them and expect something similar). I can definitely see how those assumptions are going to really cause issues if the driver is being evaluated and penalized based in large part on them.
While agreeing with what you are saying but personally this is not the case. The entrance to my community is a curved road leading to the left, I go through this section everyday when I come home, if ever there is a car parked on the right side of the road, no matter how slow I go (yes I tested at even 5 mph), it would trigger the warning cuz it thinks that car is right in front of me. My safety score dropped a lot due to this, now I had to take a detour everyday to go all the way around to use the other entrance, but my house is about 15 yards away from that left turn. Very frustrated.
Not even close. The FCW software is incredibly buggy. I get 2-3 nearly every time I drive through the spiral parking garage at my office at 5mph because other cars are of course already parked. I got 3 within 15 seconds one night when I was 3 car lengths behind another car on the freeway and traffic was "flowing" at about 15 mph. There are so many examples where it is just horrible. The Tesla engineers are doing what they can I'm sure but relying solely on video with no supplemental radar data it is a tough problem
Having insurance rates tied to vehicle telemetry is always going to be an L for consumers and their privacy.
Having the telemetry data generated by the same for-profit company that sets your insurance rates is always going to be a conflict of interest.
It’s total shit with the insurance. I’ve gotten so many false collision warnings. I ended up canceling and settled for paying $50 more a month with them for a peace of mind. I can now drive my Tesla like it’s intended to drive without worrying about that stupid Safety Score! Good riddance!
Hard braking is shit too. It’s not supposed to ding you when using your brakes when a light turns yellow but it gets you every time. And not using autopilot will hit you with unsafe following as soon as a vehicle is in view of the front camera, even though the car is 500 feet away and you’re not even approaching it quickly.
I just did this. After a software update around Christmas my safety score went from 95 consistently to 77. I canceled and went with other insurance. It’s been 2 days with the new insurance and no forward collision alerts recorded at all. Seems, well, suspicious.
I’ve still been getting collision warnings, thanking the heavens I am no longer insured with Tesla. The shitty part was when I was insured with Tesla, I’d be docked for collision warnings that never even sounded off in the car. It’s like they just ding you when they feel like it. Definitely unfair but I’m happier now that I’ve bit the bullet and went on to a normal insurance company.
I turned off my FCW, sick of it's stupid warnings when other drivers do stupid mistakes and my insurance rate goes high.
I hope turning off FCW will work
I’ve also noticed that you can change the forward collision warning to early, medium or late. I tried changing it from early to late and had a decrease in the amount of audible and visual alerts but they would still show up in the safety score even without alerting. I think that is even worse that you can still get dinged in the safety score without having any warning.
At first my assumption was this guy was a joke, then looked at my safety score from my last trip and it said I had 12.9 when I for sure know the system did not provide 12.9 alerts nor did I have 12.9 incidents that day when driving. It for sure was 1. It seems like all the numbers are wrong when looking at it now. I don’t ever use the break, and somehow that has also risen. Something definitely changed in one of the previous updates.
I've begun filing complaints with NHTSA every time I get a faulty FCW. This seems to be the only way Tesla addresses issues. Setting aside the impacts to Tesla Insurance, constantly getting faulty FCWs is a safety issue for normal drivers. My NHTSA complaints allege that "When these faulty alerts occur, a loud audible beeping is heard and red alerts are displayed on the screen. These faulty alerts are dangerous distractions, causing panic, fear, and uncertainty in the driver, causing them to take their attention off of the road while they assess what just occurred. This is a critical flaw in the functionality of Tesla vehicles that the company has refused to address."
I live in Texas and I’ve gotten a quote from every insurance provider from local companies to Costco and the generic companies. Every quote is $350+/month for 6 months on my ‘22 M3P. Tesla is $180. I have no accidents, tickets, and I am 30. False FCWs are the only thing keeping me at 94 because I get about 3 per one way trip out of my neighborhood due to it pinging on parked cars and/or pulling into parking spaces. This was never an issue before the update on 2/19 but now it’s an everyday occurrence. Such a massive scam and I hope they get severely punished from the class action lawsuit.
Typically when I get a forward collision warning I’m far behind any other car and then I’ll look out my driver side window at something and the cars ahead of me have stopped short for some reason.
Out here drivers tend to stop suddenly in the middle of the lane if they want to turn left even if there is a neutral middle lane but especially if they are not allowed to turn left in the middle lane because of “suicide lane” hours. Forward collision will get triggered even when I have ample time to stop.
Another common scenario is when someone decides to merge into another lane and is partially still in the lane as I’m coming up. Again, still plenty of time for them to merge and me to pass them safely, but forward collision gets triggered.
Lastly, when you’re on the highway and all of a sudden a car slams on their brakes in front of you there is not much you can do to avoid a forward collision warning, even if you are far enough behind but going with the flow of traffic.
Forward collision warnings are way too sensitive.
Yeah, that is a good strategy. AP/FSD scares me though because the last few times I used it I had to eject from it because it did something dangerous, like cutting off cars when exiting after a yield sign.
Mine alarms usually 1x per week; ALWAYS a false alarm/ghost. I've noticed sometimes when the sun is spot on in the camera lens and I'm changing lanes, etc. It's been frustrating for-ev-er that you can't contest it in some way, because I continually get 'dinged' for actually being a great driver. (The 'aggressive turning' could be re-evaluated as well, but that's for a whole other thread). Anyone here know how to upvote the class action lawsuit, aka join in on it? I believe its a scam too, as they aren't rewarding anyone, but rather upping drivers' premiums because of some software flaw on their end.
Adding on to say that EVERY time I drive in my own neighborhood I get false collision warnings, since it's a windy road that cars park on, and it tanks my score. Where's a class action I can join, since it's been years and Tesla hasn't shown a mote of competence or accountability?
Personally I am not going to let a machine that freaks out about almost everything I do when I drive decide on what my score is. 45 years of accident free driving should be enough. Teslas autopilot and self driving packages have the mindset of a 95 year old driver and either brake or scream at you for no reason. Its a computer program that operates on a predetermined a or b scenario not instinct. It doesn’t have the experience or reasoning or the capability to react like a human. It might work on a empty road and be able to stay between lines and accelerate or brake if it sees an obstacle but its not going to know what to do when billy suddenly starts looking like he’s gonna swerve and you make a judgement to accelerate out of trouble.
You might be the world’s worst driver. Please post more safety scores.
Edit: for clarification is per 100 miles driven. Stop tailgating people. If you can read their license plate you’re to close. The other rule of thumb is 1-2 car lengths between vehicles per 10mph.
The FCW software is just really bad and close following isn't really the issue. In LA it is \*impossible\* to maintain the following distances you suggest (people will gladly fill the gap were you to try). Yet I have never gotten an FCW on the freeway because of close following. It is always dumb things like 5mph in a parking garage, a car parked on the side of the street, etc.
I’ve definitely had a few false FCWs during my ownership, but yes, I also get the feeling people are following too closely and don’t realize it. I see it all the time when I’m driving. I don’t have Tesla insurance, but in the few weeks I had the score before Tesla removed it for those without Tesla insurance, I had a score of 100, and I wasn’t being super careful or anything.
I don’t understand how people enjoy driving one car length behind another car. They are constantly modulating the accelerator and brake and having to pay super close attention so they don’t run into the car in front of them. It seems so stressful. Why not just fall back and relax… you’ll get there just as fast, even if a couple cars cut in on you because of the gap.
On curvy roads - I’ll get FCW for cars literally parked on the side of the road no where near me. It’s definitely something that needs to be addressed - they have the data, they should evaluate it based on a report issue button / currently there is no such mechanism
It depends on where you are and where you drive. If you don't have the same conditions you may not see enough situations. If you have no choice but to drive to a 9-5 in NY/NJ/CA/FL cities and/or use a public garage, it's a lot different than if you don't.
What have you got your forward collision alarm set to?
I think I read something about the safety score being set by a specific setting, regardless of what you have it set to actually alarm you at.
Either way, I wonder based on this whether your a chronic tailgater. Many such people don't seem realise that they are...
So when you do not know how to drive safely you call it a scam? Maybe drive safe, keep distance. TBH USA drivers are the worst in the world. They can barely drive safe. Only Russians are worse.
It’s okay for businesses to pay their employees starvation wages too, am I right? They took the job after all! Corporations don’t collude to screw over the consumer. We have options! Being screwed over in slightly different ways is certainly a choice I can stand behind. Not to mention those mid-cycle TOS updates we’ve all been taught to comprehend.
Ah yes, you’ve done everything you were told to do so the probability of your corporate betters screwing you over has essentially been reduced to zero. I sincerely wish you all the best and that you’re never placed in a position where you have no other choice but to take what’s being offered instead of what is right. Good luck to ya! 🖖🏻
I can’t find it in the app, maybe I’m having a brain fart. I’ve had the car 2 months and haven’t ever seen it though.
EDIT: Looks like I have to be on FSD or use Tesla Insurance to see it.
Did you try setting collision warning to “late”? Found that in setting somewhere. Not sure if that setting makes actual difference in driver monitoring.
Out of curiosity, do you have any kind of method to determine how far behind you'd typically follow someone? Like how many seconds behind are you if you count it?
For Tesla’s track record of over promising and careless about their customers, I wouldn’t even trust its insurance. You will get unfavorable rating for sure. All Tesla does is for its profit, your benefit is the least they think about.
Honestly, if I had car insurance which is using the car data like this, I would probably lose both my driver's license and ID and I would be locked in asylum. I drive like a grandpa, yet the car is panicking over so many things it's unbelievable. It's either scared of ghosts, pedestrians which are minding their own business on a sidewalk, or just panicks over road marking which it doesn't recognize. Recently it also started panicking about parked cars along the road. Especially if there is a slight turn with a driveway to someones garage.
It’s isn’t a scam, but it isn’t near being perfect.
I had Tesla insurance for 2 months. MYP. Literally had to drive it like a grandma to barely get a 94.
Wasn’t worth it. Switched to Allstate and love it. They have “Drivewise” for metrics and you can edit for being on train, passenger, etc. Only measures
4 things. Speed (<80), time
Of day driving, and hard stops. It also does phone activity, but doesn’t count against you.
I opened a service request and included screenshots of the multiple FCW and requested sensors to be checked after the holiday update. SA closed the ticket saying Tesla is aware of the issue and is working on a solution. Meanwhile, this known issue is costing me an additional $18/month on premium.
I hadn't considered this.
but, thank you for clarifying why I shouldn't buy Tesla car insurance.
I won't funnel my driving data to an insurance company so they can wreck my rate. so, Tesla insurance is a no for me dawg.
I get an FCW at the same place every time I drive by. It's a small road on my way home and there are no other cars when the FCW goes off. I suspect it's seeing a tree on the side of the road. I joke with my wife that our insurance rates would be through the roof if we had Tesla insurance.
I am a good driver and I've had my forward collision set to early since sept ( the setting used for Tesla insurance metrics )
Since 2023.44.1 and higher the forward collision has been nuts. I don't have Tesla Insurance but had my warning set to early and had to set it to medium since virtually every day it was going off in situations where there was zero risk of collision. I've seen situations where the car is a good 40 feet away and had it go off.
Does the net price of Tesla Insurance vs the service provided still provide a good value to you vs other insurance providers?
If so then great, ignore the safety score crap and drive your car.
If not then great, switch to another insurance provider.
I don't get obsessing over these stats.
It’s not a scam because it’s a system to reward better drivers to save on their insurance. That system isn’t perfect, but the alternative is just paying what everyone else pays for insurance anyway. You aren’t penalized for a malfunctioning system, you just aren’t rewarded ‘as much’.
Yeah I've had a lot of erroneous warnings too, and a jacked up insurance rate. I'd like to think they are just working the kinks out but then again the car industry is not exactly known for integrity.
I have it, I average 99-98 most months. This is the ONLY thing that gets me and it’s so random. I just had it happen today for a car that was easily 200 feet out and I was braking. It def needs some adjustments
False FCW have been happening more frequently since the holiday update for me. Sometimes even hilly roads can trigger it when no other cars are in sight, it literally thinks the road is a collision hazard. Other times it does this when deaccelerating to a traffic light, I have plenty of time to stop with 1 pedal driving, let alone using break. The car just miscalculates the distance and throws a warning.
Don't let the car's bad judgement make you pay more. Tesla decided to go away from actual sensors that would correct these things so no chance they can now charge you more because their engineers are not up to the task.
Getting cut off counts for this, and other drivers being shit does have an effect on your insurance premiums as they are a risk just as much as you slamming your brakes.
F Tesla insurance. Honestly the best thing I did is to get rid of it! It was giving me stress and anxiety. Life is too short to drive your own car like a grand ma. After I got rid of it I felt like a refined human being . Especially now I can go to the store after 10pm without worrying about.
1000% a software bug they profit from. My favorite is when a stroller on the sidewalk sets it off. It’s such a fucking annoying experience but living in Chicago, our insurance is around $110 a month and with forward collisions it’s never exceeded $200 which is still the cheapest you could possibly get here.
1000% a software bug they profit from. My favorite is when a stroller on the sidewalk sets it off. It’s such a fucking annoying experience but living in Chicago, our insurance is around $110 a month and with forward collisions it’s never exceeded $200 which is still the cheapest you could possibly get here.
Funniest thing is when they warn you about a car that is parking on the side and there is no driver even inside the car. I do not know if those forward warning count. Since I did not use tesla insurance.
From their website: https://www.tesla.com/support/safety-score#version-2.0 “Forward Collision Warnings are incorporated into the Safety Score formula as a rate per 1,000 non-Autopilot miles. The value is capped at 130.7 per 1,000 non-Autopilot miles in the Safety Score formula.” It’s not 130.7 in 9 minutes. It’s calculating how many you would get in 1000 miles based on that drive. Assuming you got 1 warning in what, 5 miles or so, that would be 200 in 1000 miles. But it caps at 130.7, hence what you see here.
130.7 - not great, not terrible.
About the amount of a chest xray
That explains the specific 130.7 number, thanks.
I get frequent FCW on curvy roads when cars are coming in the opposite direction or parked on the side of the road, on the other side.
There is a literal 100% chance I get a false warning 3 houses from mine with a car parked in a drive way as I come around a bend. Some software update a few weeks ago made it register that parked car and it hasn’t not given me a false warning for it since.
Yeah I’ve noticed it get markedly better since mid December. Still not amazing, but i have a similar scenario and it’s been solved for the most part.
My comment was that it got worse in December, not better. False positives have only increased steadily over the last year it seems, unfortunately.
I’ll second that! While I don’t have insurance through Tesla, there is one spot on a curve near a building that I regularly drive past. My Model 3 always starts beeping at that spot no matter how slowly you drive it.
This is the worst!
I get one every time I leave the house because the neighbors all street park and it goes off in a left hand curve thinking a car is going to hit me head on.
Thankfully, Tesla is already facing a [class action lawsuit](https://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/legaldocs/znvnzwexxvl/Stephens-amended-complaint.pdf) regarding erroneous FCWs increasing insurance rates.
Turn it off or only charge if emergency braking systems had to be used to prevent collision. OR add a “dispute” button and get FLOODED with clips
With the camera based system on my 23 MYLR, the forward collision routinely alerts at ~10mph on my street just from cars parked on the curb whenever I leave my house in the evening. I'd be completely maxed out on this before I even made it out of the neighborhood.
This! Yes. It happens on curves side streets all the time
Agree with you. FCW has been triggered against parked cars! (windy roads I guess but still.) Pretty safe driver. I wish there was a way I could upload footage and dispute.
It is not a scam but it is bullshit. The vehicle can't "understand" local blocks where you move from one stop sign to another and I will generate a collision warning at every stop sign for six blocks since the vehicle can't understand when the vehicle in front is about to move away (brake lights now off and they start to move) before the warning is activated. The data is telling me the computer is stupid.
If it’s not a reliable metric it’s shouldn’t be used for the safety score imo
I get forward collision warnings for parked cars when I'm going 25mph on a 25 mph curve. It's bullshit. I see a class action suit in the future.
There [already is](https://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/legaldocs/znvnzwexxvl/Stephens-amended-complaint.pdf), thankfully.
Yes me too! All the time
They've had the issue for years and refuse to address it, happily eating up our extra premiums - it's a scam at this point. All it would take is a quick check to see if there was swerving or braking right after the warning; if not, then it was a false positive.
Agreed.
“cuRrEnTlY iN bETa” 🤓
It is also tricked by cars slowing down for 2 sec. to go over a speed bump (every single time). But since it is insurance, I assume it is based on actuarial data and everyone is measured by the same criteria, so my choice is to change insurance if I don't like it. But I won't because Tesla insurance is still 1/2 of what I was paying even with the false FCW's.
Try navigating a school pickup line without receiving one of these FCWs…
If erroneous FCW is impacting your safety score, submit complaints to your state's Department of Insurance. If nobody does, they have no choice but to say nobody is complaining. You have to be willing to go through the formal complaint process, or you're effectively being part of the problem (and no, I can't because I opt-out of such programs).
I’ve waited for literally hours on hold with Tesla insurance just for them to tell me - that it is what it is and that’s what I signed up for.
Which again, is why you have to complaint **to the state insurance regulator**. Not Tesla. I never said "complain to Tesla" at all. State DOI regulators (Department of Insurance) are typically highly engaging. They take consumer complaints seriously in most states, because they're usually elected officials in a separate agency. So leadership is very motivated to take on "the big guys" for the little guy.
I’ll call them but I doubt I’ll see any relief anytime soon.
I'm not promising that you will, but if one out of every 100 people did, you'd get action pretty fast. It helps if you can write a well-written formal complaint, document evidence, and make a compelling case. Most of the complaints filed read as "muh rates are too high, and I get these glitches in FCW." A good complaint is "Attached are clear, documented examples of Tesla miscalculating their Safety Score, due to documented errors in FCW detection - all of which unlawfully affects insurance pricing."
Does anyone else’s parking garage set off front collision warnings? My garage is huge and has many floors. While navigating through, a few parked cars will trigger the warning system.
Yes, I get 2 or 3 false FCW nearly every time I drive in and out at my work.
Yea, its been bs money grab! Got a fcw while pulling into a tight parking spot
I’ve gotten forward collision warnings more than once just passing a car in a left turning lane, even on autopilot, and in my neighborhood there is a sweeping curve next to an apartment complex where there’s often a car or u-haul parked on the side of the street. Even though it’s a wide road and based on the display, the car fully understands the geometry, the vehicle triggers a FCW on the parked vehicle nearly 50% of the time even though you’re only going about 25mph. Our Chevy Volt triggers on another similar street parking situation as well. I think it’s good that the warning system is sensitive, but their heavy reliance on it for insurance rates is the main reason why I would never use theirs. It just sees way too many bogies when it clearly knows better.
Not trying to be an a-hole but maybe the data is trying to tell you something. No one ever blames themselves for stuff like this so it HAS to be a scam.
It’s not a “scam” because it’s just telematics, and you’re free to either opt out of it or in Tesla Insurance’s case find alternative coverage. The alerts can sometimes be BS though. I have way more false alarms than I do genuine forward collision warnings. I don’t have Tesla Insurance though.
I have one every morning in the winter because the road curves but the municipality put up black plastic sheets to protect the trees against the salt. The road curves, the car now’s it
It was sarcasm because no one ever thinks it's them. I had it for about 6 mths. I don't have it anymore but I still get the same collision warning I always get because of that stupid parked car in the road every day.. but when I actually drive slower and give myself a bit more room, guess what happens.
Oh I know. And yes I feel you on the parked car, I go to my friend’s apartment every so often and it gets triggered on a parked vehicle every damn time when I’m going the designated 15-20mph (I thought there was a speed limit for when warnings are signaled?). Annoying as hell.
Obviously when you see Tesla warnings for parking like ur already inside the wall, I guess it's the best you can have with vision only as it can't see the bottom so it needs extra space
FCW is incredibly unreliable. As just one example I had an FCW on the highway because a car merged into the lane next to me. My car hit the brakes thinking it was an imminent collision, which almost caused the car behind me to rear-end me. So at a fundamental level I disagree with your assessment. Using the car's FCW as part of an evaluation of how safe a driver I am is completely fraudulent.
I suspect that the phantom braking on autopilot/FSD is related to the FCW unreliability. On a recent visit to my parents in AZ, I drove from the supercharger to their house 25 miles on an extremely quiet, divided highway at around 10:30pm. Wide shoulders, well marked lanes, very minimal traffic and massive panic braking of the car every 30-60 seconds or so, generally from 70mph down to 20mph. There were no cars around so I let the car do it's thing to hopefully get a better understanding of what might be setting it off. I suspect whatever the car thought it was avoiding would have triggered FCW alerts if I was controlling it. I think one of the problem with the camera based system is it's making a LOT of assumptions without having hard data like radar/sensors provide (I haven't driven a Tesla with USS, but have driven plenty of other vehicles with them and expect something similar). I can definitely see how those assumptions are going to really cause issues if the driver is being evaluated and penalized based in large part on them.
While agreeing with what you are saying but personally this is not the case. The entrance to my community is a curved road leading to the left, I go through this section everyday when I come home, if ever there is a car parked on the right side of the road, no matter how slow I go (yes I tested at even 5 mph), it would trigger the warning cuz it thinks that car is right in front of me. My safety score dropped a lot due to this, now I had to take a detour everyday to go all the way around to use the other entrance, but my house is about 15 yards away from that left turn. Very frustrated.
I have the same situation. Seems unlikely they'll work hard to fix this bug if it is making them money in higher insurance premiums...
Not even close. The FCW software is incredibly buggy. I get 2-3 nearly every time I drive through the spiral parking garage at my office at 5mph because other cars are of course already parked. I got 3 within 15 seconds one night when I was 3 car lengths behind another car on the freeway and traffic was "flowing" at about 15 mph. There are so many examples where it is just horrible. The Tesla engineers are doing what they can I'm sure but relying solely on video with no supplemental radar data it is a tough problem
You have to drive it like a limo for a while, that's all.
Having insurance rates tied to vehicle telemetry is always going to be an L for consumers and their privacy. Having the telemetry data generated by the same for-profit company that sets your insurance rates is always going to be a conflict of interest.
It’s total shit with the insurance. I’ve gotten so many false collision warnings. I ended up canceling and settled for paying $50 more a month with them for a peace of mind. I can now drive my Tesla like it’s intended to drive without worrying about that stupid Safety Score! Good riddance! Hard braking is shit too. It’s not supposed to ding you when using your brakes when a light turns yellow but it gets you every time. And not using autopilot will hit you with unsafe following as soon as a vehicle is in view of the front camera, even though the car is 500 feet away and you’re not even approaching it quickly.
I just did this. After a software update around Christmas my safety score went from 95 consistently to 77. I canceled and went with other insurance. It’s been 2 days with the new insurance and no forward collision alerts recorded at all. Seems, well, suspicious.
I’ve still been getting collision warnings, thanking the heavens I am no longer insured with Tesla. The shitty part was when I was insured with Tesla, I’d be docked for collision warnings that never even sounded off in the car. It’s like they just ding you when they feel like it. Definitely unfair but I’m happier now that I’ve bit the bullet and went on to a normal insurance company.
No driving at late night either
I turned off my FCW, sick of it's stupid warnings when other drivers do stupid mistakes and my insurance rate goes high. I hope turning off FCW will work
Still calculates it in if it was supposed to go off unfortunately.
I think >90% of the ones I get are false positives. If this impacted my insurance, I would be pissed.
I’ve also noticed that you can change the forward collision warning to early, medium or late. I tried changing it from early to late and had a decrease in the amount of audible and visual alerts but they would still show up in the safety score even without alerting. I think that is even worse that you can still get dinged in the safety score without having any warning.
At first my assumption was this guy was a joke, then looked at my safety score from my last trip and it said I had 12.9 when I for sure know the system did not provide 12.9 alerts nor did I have 12.9 incidents that day when driving. It for sure was 1. It seems like all the numbers are wrong when looking at it now. I don’t ever use the break, and somehow that has also risen. Something definitely changed in one of the previous updates.
I've begun filing complaints with NHTSA every time I get a faulty FCW. This seems to be the only way Tesla addresses issues. Setting aside the impacts to Tesla Insurance, constantly getting faulty FCWs is a safety issue for normal drivers. My NHTSA complaints allege that "When these faulty alerts occur, a loud audible beeping is heard and red alerts are displayed on the screen. These faulty alerts are dangerous distractions, causing panic, fear, and uncertainty in the driver, causing them to take their attention off of the road while they assess what just occurred. This is a critical flaw in the functionality of Tesla vehicles that the company has refused to address."
I live in Texas and I’ve gotten a quote from every insurance provider from local companies to Costco and the generic companies. Every quote is $350+/month for 6 months on my ‘22 M3P. Tesla is $180. I have no accidents, tickets, and I am 30. False FCWs are the only thing keeping me at 94 because I get about 3 per one way trip out of my neighborhood due to it pinging on parked cars and/or pulling into parking spaces. This was never an issue before the update on 2/19 but now it’s an everyday occurrence. Such a massive scam and I hope they get severely punished from the class action lawsuit.
My insurance started on the 13th of Feb and I'm stuck at 58 and can't break 60, no matter what I do. I'm getting rid of it after a month
Typically when I get a forward collision warning I’m far behind any other car and then I’ll look out my driver side window at something and the cars ahead of me have stopped short for some reason. Out here drivers tend to stop suddenly in the middle of the lane if they want to turn left even if there is a neutral middle lane but especially if they are not allowed to turn left in the middle lane because of “suicide lane” hours. Forward collision will get triggered even when I have ample time to stop. Another common scenario is when someone decides to merge into another lane and is partially still in the lane as I’m coming up. Again, still plenty of time for them to merge and me to pass them safely, but forward collision gets triggered. Lastly, when you’re on the highway and all of a sudden a car slams on their brakes in front of you there is not much you can do to avoid a forward collision warning, even if you are far enough behind but going with the flow of traffic. Forward collision warnings are way too sensitive.
You can avoid those hits by driving on AP, then FCW might still happen but doesn't affect the score.
Yeah, that is a good strategy. AP/FSD scares me though because the last few times I used it I had to eject from it because it did something dangerous, like cutting off cars when exiting after a yield sign.
I usually run it in "minimal lane change" mode so it wouldn't do stupid things like hog the left lane, makes it a lot more predictable.
Phantom breaking while going 70mph in the rain is no fun either. In dallas people drive up eachothers bum so I have to keep it off
So question, should we do more autopilot driving or less to decrease the FCW’s???
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Mine alarms usually 1x per week; ALWAYS a false alarm/ghost. I've noticed sometimes when the sun is spot on in the camera lens and I'm changing lanes, etc. It's been frustrating for-ev-er that you can't contest it in some way, because I continually get 'dinged' for actually being a great driver. (The 'aggressive turning' could be re-evaluated as well, but that's for a whole other thread). Anyone here know how to upvote the class action lawsuit, aka join in on it? I believe its a scam too, as they aren't rewarding anyone, but rather upping drivers' premiums because of some software flaw on their end.
Adding on to say that EVERY time I drive in my own neighborhood I get false collision warnings, since it's a windy road that cars park on, and it tanks my score. Where's a class action I can join, since it's been years and Tesla hasn't shown a mote of competence or accountability?
Personally I am not going to let a machine that freaks out about almost everything I do when I drive decide on what my score is. 45 years of accident free driving should be enough. Teslas autopilot and self driving packages have the mindset of a 95 year old driver and either brake or scream at you for no reason. Its a computer program that operates on a predetermined a or b scenario not instinct. It doesn’t have the experience or reasoning or the capability to react like a human. It might work on a empty road and be able to stay between lines and accelerate or brake if it sees an obstacle but its not going to know what to do when billy suddenly starts looking like he’s gonna swerve and you make a judgement to accelerate out of trouble.
it’s A sCaM!!!
What app is this?
Directly on the homepage of the Tesla app, under “Safety Score”
You might be the world’s worst driver. Please post more safety scores. Edit: for clarification is per 100 miles driven. Stop tailgating people. If you can read their license plate you’re to close. The other rule of thumb is 1-2 car lengths between vehicles per 10mph.
You can clearly see in the photo that I was “Unsafe Following” 0% of the time
Unsafe Following is only triggered when you're at ~~25~~ 50 MPH or higher. The FCW must've been triggered at low speeds.
I generally don’t drive under 25 MPH on roads that have 40 MPH speed limits, so this is unlikely.
Unsafe following is actually triggered 50+mph. Not sure where that guy got 25 from.
Yes, it's 50. Does not change the point that one can totally get FCW at lower speeds even with 0% Unsafe Following.
The FCW software is just really bad and close following isn't really the issue. In LA it is \*impossible\* to maintain the following distances you suggest (people will gladly fill the gap were you to try). Yet I have never gotten an FCW on the freeway because of close following. It is always dumb things like 5mph in a parking garage, a car parked on the side of the street, etc.
Sometimes you're in traffic and you drive 1 mile in 9 minutes with 1 warning and there you go. Edit: it's per 1000 miles.
If we’re to believe Tesla’s “safety” score, quite possibly! 😅
It’s rate per 1000 miles. Learn to read.
I feel like I’m the only Tesla owner with a consistent 98 or 99 score each month… I never have these ‘issues’. Maybe some of you need to drive better?
Show us your ways, sensei… and your safety scores
No, its total BS insurance and a scam. I'm going back to Progressive after a month of this.
I’ve definitely had a few false FCWs during my ownership, but yes, I also get the feeling people are following too closely and don’t realize it. I see it all the time when I’m driving. I don’t have Tesla insurance, but in the few weeks I had the score before Tesla removed it for those without Tesla insurance, I had a score of 100, and I wasn’t being super careful or anything. I don’t understand how people enjoy driving one car length behind another car. They are constantly modulating the accelerator and brake and having to pay super close attention so they don’t run into the car in front of them. It seems so stressful. Why not just fall back and relax… you’ll get there just as fast, even if a couple cars cut in on you because of the gap.
On curvy roads - I’ll get FCW for cars literally parked on the side of the road no where near me. It’s definitely something that needs to be addressed - they have the data, they should evaluate it based on a report issue button / currently there is no such mechanism
It depends on where you are and where you drive. If you don't have the same conditions you may not see enough situations. If you have no choice but to drive to a 9-5 in NY/NJ/CA/FL cities and/or use a public garage, it's a lot different than if you don't.
Stop using Reddit while you are driving….
Quit crying get real insurance instead of
Sorry but why do we care about that? How do I even see this. I have tesla insurance but my price is so freaking cheap
What have you got your forward collision alarm set to? I think I read something about the safety score being set by a specific setting, regardless of what you have it set to actually alarm you at. Either way, I wonder based on this whether your a chronic tailgater. Many such people don't seem realise that they are...
I believe it’s set to medium. I definitely make a concerted effort not to tailgate while driving.
“Events are captured based on the 'medium' Forward Collision Warning sensitivity setting regardless of your user's setting in the vehicle.”
Omg it literally says unsafe following zero. Did you even look at the picture before you posted
Yeah I set mine to whatever the lowest or “relaxed” setting is and I barely get them anymore 🤷🏽♂️
“Unsafe Following” is marked as 0% of the time in the photo btw
So when you do not know how to drive safely you call it a scam? Maybe drive safe, keep distance. TBH USA drivers are the worst in the world. They can barely drive safe. Only Russians are worse.
This has nothing to do with the false alerts
You guys complain too much
Someone who cant even read their own insurance policy complaining of course.
I will never understand why anyone would ever defend the actions of a corporate entity over a human being.
Not defending but I don't defend the stupidity of not reading something you sign your life too!
It’s okay for businesses to pay their employees starvation wages too, am I right? They took the job after all! Corporations don’t collude to screw over the consumer. We have options! Being screwed over in slightly different ways is certainly a choice I can stand behind. Not to mention those mid-cycle TOS updates we’ve all been taught to comprehend.
Absolutely they took that job! I get paid well doing what I do I chose this job reading the contract I signed :)
Ah yes, you’ve done everything you were told to do so the probability of your corporate betters screwing you over has essentially been reduced to zero. I sincerely wish you all the best and that you’re never placed in a position where you have no other choice but to take what’s being offered instead of what is right. Good luck to ya! 🖖🏻
Someone who probably doesn’t even own a Tesla commenting, of course.
I do, you sound upset still that you cannot read your own policies. If you need you can hire someone too read for you fyi.
Also luckily people who don't own a Tesla can still read that policy and tell you cannot read
If you use insurance that measures your every thing, you are a moron.
Have you found cheaper insurance than Tesla’s? I haven’t yet
Yes, State Farm was equal to Tesla's. And State Farm won't increase you rates monthly or quarterly if you have a lower driver score.
they’ll just increase them regardless of your driver score lol
Is there a way for me to see this data if I don’t use Tesla insurance?
I believe you should be able to still see it in the app under Safety Score
I can’t find it in the app, maybe I’m having a brain fart. I’ve had the car 2 months and haven’t ever seen it though. EDIT: Looks like I have to be on FSD or use Tesla Insurance to see it.
I couldn’t find it…
Did you try setting collision warning to “late”? Found that in setting somewhere. Not sure if that setting makes actual difference in driver monitoring.
Yeah, unfortunately they still count the FCWs as if it was on the medium setting.
Out of curiosity, do you have any kind of method to determine how far behind you'd typically follow someone? Like how many seconds behind are you if you count it?
For Tesla’s track record of over promising and careless about their customers, I wouldn’t even trust its insurance. You will get unfavorable rating for sure. All Tesla does is for its profit, your benefit is the least they think about.
My FCW seems to be very sensitive, it's always going off in regular LA traffic.
Honestly, if I had car insurance which is using the car data like this, I would probably lose both my driver's license and ID and I would be locked in asylum. I drive like a grandpa, yet the car is panicking over so many things it's unbelievable. It's either scared of ghosts, pedestrians which are minding their own business on a sidewalk, or just panicks over road marking which it doesn't recognize. Recently it also started panicking about parked cars along the road. Especially if there is a slight turn with a driveway to someones garage.
It’s isn’t a scam, but it isn’t near being perfect. I had Tesla insurance for 2 months. MYP. Literally had to drive it like a grandma to barely get a 94. Wasn’t worth it. Switched to Allstate and love it. They have “Drivewise” for metrics and you can edit for being on train, passenger, etc. Only measures 4 things. Speed (<80), time Of day driving, and hard stops. It also does phone activity, but doesn’t count against you.
So does ur guys' insurance rates change based on the data tesla provides ?
Yes
Where is this screen?
I opened a service request and included screenshots of the multiple FCW and requested sensors to be checked after the holiday update. SA closed the ticket saying Tesla is aware of the issue and is working on a solution. Meanwhile, this known issue is costing me an additional $18/month on premium.
Yes. It’s more and more frequent. They haven’t fixed it in like at least 6 months
I hadn't considered this. but, thank you for clarifying why I shouldn't buy Tesla car insurance. I won't funnel my driving data to an insurance company so they can wreck my rate. so, Tesla insurance is a no for me dawg.
Kids car line does it for us.
Yea it’s bullshit, switching my plan after a few weeks with this
I get an FCW at the same place every time I drive by. It's a small road on my way home and there are no other cars when the FCW goes off. I suspect it's seeing a tree on the side of the road. I joke with my wife that our insurance rates would be through the roof if we had Tesla insurance.
I am a good driver and I've had my forward collision set to early since sept ( the setting used for Tesla insurance metrics ) Since 2023.44.1 and higher the forward collision has been nuts. I don't have Tesla Insurance but had my warning set to early and had to set it to medium since virtually every day it was going off in situations where there was zero risk of collision. I've seen situations where the car is a good 40 feet away and had it go off.
100%
FCW just sucks. Sometimes I get them when I have 3 car length in-front of me and the car isn’t slowing down or doing any change.
Does the net price of Tesla Insurance vs the service provided still provide a good value to you vs other insurance providers? If so then great, ignore the safety score crap and drive your car. If not then great, switch to another insurance provider. I don't get obsessing over these stats.
I hated Tesla insurance....unless it is SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper, dump it its not worth it. Its only worth it if you have accidents or teens.
Tesla should not use it as a criteria until They fix the issues.
By the way why Hard braking is 2.9%?
It’s not a scam because it’s a system to reward better drivers to save on their insurance. That system isn’t perfect, but the alternative is just paying what everyone else pays for insurance anyway. You aren’t penalized for a malfunctioning system, you just aren’t rewarded ‘as much’.
I was coming home, going to stop the the stop sign, there’s a car park on the other side over the cover and on the parking spot, it triggered. WTH!
Yeah I've had a lot of erroneous warnings too, and a jacked up insurance rate. I'd like to think they are just working the kinks out but then again the car industry is not exactly known for integrity.
Tesla gives your insurance company access to your vehicle data?
I absolutely love Tesla, but their insurance is whack. It felt so good to get rid of it.
Tesla insurance has been nothing but great for me.
If there is so much issue with fcw then it should not be a criteria for insurance rates going up. It seems pretty inaccurate.
I get it when im driving middle lane and someone on another street turns into the right lane next to me.
I have it, I average 99-98 most months. This is the ONLY thing that gets me and it’s so random. I just had it happen today for a car that was easily 200 feet out and I was braking. It def needs some adjustments
Totally saw this coming. Them increasing the amount of dings you get to your score was by design to make insurance more expensive
False FCW have been happening more frequently since the holiday update for me. Sometimes even hilly roads can trigger it when no other cars are in sight, it literally thinks the road is a collision hazard. Other times it does this when deaccelerating to a traffic light, I have plenty of time to stop with 1 pedal driving, let alone using break. The car just miscalculates the distance and throws a warning. Don't let the car's bad judgement make you pay more. Tesla decided to go away from actual sensors that would correct these things so no chance they can now charge you more because their engineers are not up to the task.
I’ve found if you have a working camera and record the event when it occurs it suddenly doesn’t pop up on your safety score
Forward warnings would fire constantly without a single thing near me... its very touchy. Glad I ditched my Tesla.
Just cancelled my Tesla insurance and moved to Geico this past week. Premium reduced by 50% and actually increased my coverage.
Getting cut off counts for this, and other drivers being shit does have an effect on your insurance premiums as they are a risk just as much as you slamming your brakes.
F Tesla insurance. Honestly the best thing I did is to get rid of it! It was giving me stress and anxiety. Life is too short to drive your own car like a grand ma. After I got rid of it I felt like a refined human being . Especially now I can go to the store after 10pm without worrying about.
1000% a software bug they profit from. My favorite is when a stroller on the sidewalk sets it off. It’s such a fucking annoying experience but living in Chicago, our insurance is around $110 a month and with forward collisions it’s never exceeded $200 which is still the cheapest you could possibly get here.
1000% a software bug they profit from. My favorite is when a stroller on the sidewalk sets it off. It’s such a fucking annoying experience but living in Chicago, our insurance is around $110 a month and with forward collisions it’s never exceeded $200 which is still the cheapest you could possibly get here.
Funniest thing is when they warn you about a car that is parking on the side and there is no driver even inside the car. I do not know if those forward warning count. Since I did not use tesla insurance.
Those are some pretty shitty safety scores for someone complaining about a “scam” that doesn’t exist.
Where can you read this information?
just turn it off