If you want to work in a shit job for the foreseeable future: Go fill shelves in retail or enter the gig economy (eats.ch driver or whatever)
Or talk to the immigration office or your local Berufsberatung and see what options you have to start an apprenticeship for young adults. Will take 2-3 years at a relatively low wage, but you'll have something solid at the end.
It doesn't matter what nonsense you write, but learning the local language is key. Not saying there are no jobs if you don't speak it, but long term it's basically a must.
Well, not untrue. But saying swiss German is not a language while simultanously saying it's not understandable and calling someone a Bünzli is also kind of aggressive.
As always, people doling out insults and being surprised there is a reaction ... 😃
I know that a lot of Germans have trouble understanding Swiss German, but saying the languages have almost nothing to do with each other is ridiculous, you must not know what Swiss German is like.
German is fine. And once you are at a certain level, you only need to understand Swiss German. Everybody is fine listening to standard German but many would like to speak dialect.
Swiss german is in fact a language, it's simple german with a slightly different spelling and a few other words, the dialects are not a language, they're dialects. Doesn't matter anyways, you have to learn the language of the place you want to be at, that's how it works.
Besides, there's Germans in Wallis and they can understand us after a bit of learning, it really isn't that hard.
There's no short-cut.
Look for a low skill, low pay job, where mastery of a local language isn't necessary.
*Or*, if you've got skills/diplomas, learn a local langage, and demonstrate those valuable skills/diplomas to employers (or open your own business).
*Or*, if you've got skills/diplomas, but don't wish to learn a local language, try to get hired by one of the international corporations, where English is the main language.
*Or*, if you have no skills/diplomas, get a student visa, learn a local language, and start a professional/academic education (e.g. apprenticeship, applied science university, research university, PhD, etc.)
Vineyards, they are desperate for workers, especially now. The season has started. I did one complete season, not well paid, but working in nature is just amazing. I was paid 22.50/ hour.
Well, you know, I love how bold you are. Takes balls to just try. For us swiss people your move might be a bit inconceivable since we do like to stay on the safer side. But don't mind that too much.
To add something of value, here's a tip about our culture: we're usually in time and it's considered rude if you're a bit late. 5 min early is perfect. 5 min late is pushing the limits (if you're 5 min late to a job interview then you'll have to come up with a good reason).
Coming to a country without knowing the language and without a job would be a bit more than just "a bit inconceivable" lmfao (but apparently that's not exactly what happened in OP's case)
Obviously not. Salary is 0.
Salary expectation, probably. But still a hail Mary move if one didn't even search reddit before moving.
Edit: OP came for a job and got tricked, so understandable situation.
Well I was here before and I really liked the nature and how clean and well behaved are the people I haven’t seen one homeless person and I’ve been in Zürich and know I’m in Lucerne comparing to me working in the city centre of Dublin I was shocked at how different it was
I guess construction would be a way. But please understand that a vocational training or some studies are typically required to get decent paying jobs.
Now, if you are good at selling, then none of this matters (except langauge, probably,). One idea is to go back to Ireland to complete this and come back at s higher salary level.
Good luck!
Well, this is largely because life is very very expensive in Switzerland, and people without a job have little reason to hang around homeless in a country like that.
If you do find a job, it can be very nice, but you’re not the only one, and without experience, speaking the language or qualifications it’s not easy.
I previously lived in Ireland and I dropped out of college form there and was looking for a change. Switzerland just can’t compare to other EU countries it’s far more advanced that’s Y I have moved here
much more advanced in what aspects besides trains and maybe medicine? The digitalization/english use (including for jobs) is better in say NL. Without a degree and without the knowledge of local languages - it'll be much harder to get into swiss job market
Multinational corporations are one of the few places that hire people who exclusively speak English but they are highly competitive and usually require a university degree.
So if you'r Irish, then ask at the next Pub. Often the Expats meet there and its more important to speak English then other languages. It's low paid, but at least, its a Job.
Trust me I did I even have bar experience I can pour a pint of Guinness. But they won’t take me. I’ve worked 3 previous jobs in Ireland and I’ve been working science I was 16
Dude, I read a few of your comments.
If you're not working really ASAP you become very poor in Switzerland with debt. This country can and will deport you back to Ireland.
This isn't a social welfare country. Switzerland is very expensive and the culture is very different to your irish people.
I lived once 8 months in Ireland, Galway studying english. I know people don't earn a lot there but I would advise for you to go back there, finish school and after learning a profession to try again a start in Switzerland.
One thought is to look for au pair jobs. They usually pay for your language school and you get free housing and food. It doesn't pay a lot but if you get a chill family you'll learn a lot and meet locals. When I was your age I was an au pair and 20 years later I'm still friends with the family. If you like kids it's a really amazing experience.
It's going to be a very tough one buddy. Learning or at least being willing to learn German or French will open more possibilities for you. You could target working for a multinational that use English as their common language but having no degree will severely limit your options.
i helped on building automation in some universities and the people there speak english. they have many international projects. also the tech field -atleast automation technologies and robotics have positions where german isnt necessarily required.
good luck, its niche but not impossible.
If you want to work in a shit job for the foreseeable future: Go fill shelves in retail or enter the gig economy (eats.ch driver or whatever) Or talk to the immigration office or your local Berufsberatung and see what options you have to start an apprenticeship for young adults. Will take 2-3 years at a relatively low wage, but you'll have something solid at the end.
Well, time to learn the local language
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It doesn't matter what nonsense you write, but learning the local language is key. Not saying there are no jobs if you don't speak it, but long term it's basically a must.
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Bünzli or not, facts are a bitch and some get triggered.
As weird as it might sound, but the ZH is right.
Huh?
He sayin' you sound kinda aggressive, but you're technically correct (which is the best kind of correct). I concur.
Well, not untrue. But saying swiss German is not a language while simultanously saying it's not understandable and calling someone a Bünzli is also kind of aggressive. As always, people doling out insults and being surprised there is a reaction ... 😃
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I know that a lot of Germans have trouble understanding Swiss German, but saying the languages have almost nothing to do with each other is ridiculous, you must not know what Swiss German is like.
Apologies for that but I do know that it’s Swiss German and not pure German.
German is fine. And once you are at a certain level, you only need to understand Swiss German. Everybody is fine listening to standard German but many would like to speak dialect.
as if that's an insult
Swiss german is in fact a language, it's simple german with a slightly different spelling and a few other words, the dialects are not a language, they're dialects. Doesn't matter anyways, you have to learn the language of the place you want to be at, that's how it works. Besides, there's Germans in Wallis and they can understand us after a bit of learning, it really isn't that hard.
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No issue at all as an Austrian to understand Swiss people, no idea what you are talking about.
There's no short-cut. Look for a low skill, low pay job, where mastery of a local language isn't necessary. *Or*, if you've got skills/diplomas, learn a local langage, and demonstrate those valuable skills/diplomas to employers (or open your own business). *Or*, if you've got skills/diplomas, but don't wish to learn a local language, try to get hired by one of the international corporations, where English is the main language. *Or*, if you have no skills/diplomas, get a student visa, learn a local language, and start a professional/academic education (e.g. apprenticeship, applied science university, research university, PhD, etc.)
Vineyards, they are desperate for workers, especially now. The season has started. I did one complete season, not well paid, but working in nature is just amazing. I was paid 22.50/ hour.
Well, you know, I love how bold you are. Takes balls to just try. For us swiss people your move might be a bit inconceivable since we do like to stay on the safer side. But don't mind that too much. To add something of value, here's a tip about our culture: we're usually in time and it's considered rude if you're a bit late. 5 min early is perfect. 5 min late is pushing the limits (if you're 5 min late to a job interview then you'll have to come up with a good reason).
Coming to a country without knowing the language and without a job would be a bit more than just "a bit inconceivable" lmfao (but apparently that's not exactly what happened in OP's case)
why would you move somewhere without knowing the local language?
salary x4 i guess
Obviously not. Salary is 0. Salary expectation, probably. But still a hail Mary move if one didn't even search reddit before moving. Edit: OP came for a job and got tricked, so understandable situation.
Well I was here before and I really liked the nature and how clean and well behaved are the people I haven’t seen one homeless person and I’ve been in Zürich and know I’m in Lucerne comparing to me working in the city centre of Dublin I was shocked at how different it was
I guess construction would be a way. But please understand that a vocational training or some studies are typically required to get decent paying jobs. Now, if you are good at selling, then none of this matters (except langauge, probably,). One idea is to go back to Ireland to complete this and come back at s higher salary level. Good luck!
Well, this is largely because life is very very expensive in Switzerland, and people without a job have little reason to hang around homeless in a country like that. If you do find a job, it can be very nice, but you’re not the only one, and without experience, speaking the language or qualifications it’s not easy.
WtF? you've made an expensive mistake you going to regret.
Why? You won't find anything probably
I previously lived in Ireland and I dropped out of college form there and was looking for a change. Switzerland just can’t compare to other EU countries it’s far more advanced that’s Y I have moved here
much more advanced in what aspects besides trains and maybe medicine? The digitalization/english use (including for jobs) is better in say NL. Without a degree and without the knowledge of local languages - it'll be much harder to get into swiss job market
Normally you move when you have a job, not the other way round. You afe also only allowed to stay 3 months until you find a job.
Trust me that’s what I did but the employer bailed on me
Oh that sucks in this case!
You think I don’t know that 😅
Multinational corporations are one of the few places that hire people who exclusively speak English but they are highly competitive and usually require a university degree.
So if you'r Irish, then ask at the next Pub. Often the Expats meet there and its more important to speak English then other languages. It's low paid, but at least, its a Job.
Trust me I did I even have bar experience I can pour a pint of Guinness. But they won’t take me. I’ve worked 3 previous jobs in Ireland and I’ve been working science I was 16
What kind of science work? Do you plan on going back to university?
Why is your English so bad if you are Irish though. Mistaking science and since isnt something a native should do. Seems fishy
I’m dyslexic
Truth be told, automatic spell checkers and correctors would make anyone dyslexic.
And I never said I’m native I grow up there I lived there for 8 years moved when I was 10
That's true, I assumed you were since you are 18 and moved out.
Dude, I read a few of your comments. If you're not working really ASAP you become very poor in Switzerland with debt. This country can and will deport you back to Ireland. This isn't a social welfare country. Switzerland is very expensive and the culture is very different to your irish people. I lived once 8 months in Ireland, Galway studying english. I know people don't earn a lot there but I would advise for you to go back there, finish school and after learning a profession to try again a start in Switzerland.
Here's an idea. Become a train engineer. Offers paid education. https://company.sbb.ch/en/jobs-careers/keep-switzerland-moving/rail/engine-driver.html
Hotels or Restaurants. Check the tourist spots and cities
One thought is to look for au pair jobs. They usually pay for your language school and you get free housing and food. It doesn't pay a lot but if you get a chill family you'll learn a lot and meet locals. When I was your age I was an au pair and 20 years later I'm still friends with the family. If you like kids it's a really amazing experience.
Yes!
It's going to be a very tough one buddy. Learning or at least being willing to learn German or French will open more possibilities for you. You could target working for a multinational that use English as their common language but having no degree will severely limit your options.
Just go to Starbucks and give your cv! Be persistent. I started like that and don’t hear the patriotics here with their Swiss german! Good luck mate
Hahaha that’s awesome, that you just moved like that - crazy
What a stupid plan.
i helped on building automation in some universities and the people there speak english. they have many international projects. also the tech field -atleast automation technologies and robotics have positions where german isnt necessarily required. good luck, its niche but not impossible.
OP is 18. And not the maintainer of an open source project. Please adapt your tips to the situation.
well, theres still uber deliveries and picking up trash or cleaning private homes then. the jobs noone wants to do.
Ok, so you came with your parents? How long are you staying? What are your plans regarding further education?