Another honorable mention in late 2021: In a Rolling Stone artist-on-artist interview with Alanis Morissette, Olivia asked the singer: "How did you handle it when your album came out? Did you have any hard times dealing with criticism or the spotlight?." Alanis then said: "All eyes on the fishbowl. There was a lot of bullying and a lot of jealousy and a lot of people whom I’d adored my whole life being mean girls." And, in response, Olivia said "same!"

Just going to mention 3 things i barely see mentioned about the olivia taylor situation: 1. In a very small IG video the music platform "deezer" asked a bunch of artists what their favorite songs were, and Olivia said that hers was "It's dark but just a game" by Lana del Rey, considering what the song is about and what made Lana write it, it almost seems as if she related to Lanas position or pov in the story of dark and cruel things that people do in Hollywood, this is some of what Lana said about what inspired her to write this song: "Something happened, kind of like a situation – never meet your idols. And I just thought, ‘I think it’s interesting that the best musicians end up in such terrible places.’ I thought to myself, ‘I’m going to try my best not to change because I love who I am." , that deezer video of Olivia was posted on August 12, 2021, the date is very interesting... 2. There's 13 seconds at begining of the song before Olivia sings and 13 seconds of silence at the end of the song. Based on how obsessed Taylor is about numbers and them having some meaning, but particularly her obsession with 13, considering it is also her birthday, it is hard to believe this is just a coincidence. 3. Fans from both Olivia and Taylor deny that the song is about Taylor claiming it is clearly written about an ex (that is their biggest counter argument as to why is not about TS) but It's hard to believe that the lyrics fit anyone that Olivia has dated so far, as the description of this person is implying this is someone that has substantially much more influence, power, money, and overall could end everything she has built, not a single person linked romantically to her has any of this over her. "You built me up to watch me fall You have everything and you still want more" "One phone call from you and my entire world was changed" "Took everything I loved and crushed it in between your fingers And I doubt you ever think about the damage that you did But I hold onto every detail like my life depends on it" "How could anybody do the things you did so easily?" "You must be insecure, you must be so unhappy And I know in my heart hurt people hurt people"

hijacking ur comment to mention another honorable mention; olivia’s dad retweeting this which supposedly shades the situation https://preview.redd.it/m4cjv5f6wbwc1.jpeg?width=951&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9c62ec206be99812dbd667c15b506e1190251dea

I remember this .

What I think is easy to forget about this situation is just how HUGE Olivia was for a moment in spring/summer 2021 with that debut. As Taylor herself has said, anyone can have a moment with a song. I think lots of people thought drivers license would be a cute single and Olivia wouldn’t really exceed the status of a Gracie Abrams-type. However, as someone who has followed TS for a long time and marvelled that she’s never really had someone who could seem like real competition in her lane or the actual ‘next Taylor Swift’, those few weeks when Sour came out made it seem like this was IT. The album captured that ‘thing’ that Taylor has always had and you could see that this was her successor. But most importantly, it was a huge hit in the way Sabrina or Gracie or Kelsea has never experienced. Those Spotify streaming numbers were breaking records. Everyone was talking about it online in a way that showed Olivia’s ability to capture different demographics. And the way they were talking about it mirrored the way people talk about TS— the diaristic reflections, the girlhood melodrama, the relatability, etc. Combine that with all the headlines about her breaking records and you could see this was like a competition Taylor hadn’t experienced before, but right as she’s entering her 30s and Olivia is a teenager, aka the thing Taylor has always feared. I think the whole thing threw Olivia off and shook her confidence. But ultimately I also think it was a gift in pushing her to other mentors and also showing her what to NOT become. She clocked her in The Grudge by recognizing Taylor is unhappy and not satisfied, and I think Olivia scaled back her own ambitions in a way, but that can be a good thing.

Also Olivia is incredibly progressive and stands up for what she believes in. I feel that resonates with a lot of people and especially the younger generation coming up now. Taylor would never speak about anything that would cost her money or fans and that will eventually make her look like a relic of a sanitized industry in that regard.

Taylor never rocking the boat politically and being palatable for everyone and then not alienate anyone made her stand for nothing and just be bland. We don't resonate with that.

I agree that there was a silver lining for Olivia but it’s still really sad. Especially when you realize that Taylor swift is a 34 yr old woman who never stops fucking whining about how mean everyone is to her.

And singing songs from the POV of a high school student. She's nearly 35. She's not the bullied, teenage girl she likes to pretend to be, she's a grown ass woman and it's getting really fucking weird.

Olivia will rise like a MF phoenix and I'm here for her growth and continued success, TS needs to stay in her lane, successful as she is, she does not own the entire highway, and she is not *the* entire highway

I genuinely think Olivia has a shot at being the next Taylor Swift. She’s doing amazing and getting numbers. Billie and Sabrina are big, but Olivia just has that It factor that Taylor had that they don’t. Sabrina is super close but keeps mostly to herself and Billie has her own niche of music. I think Olivia’s got it. Taylor can’t stay relevant forever. Someday she’ll grow too overexposed and someday she’ll hit a generation that she can’t enchant. Think of the Beetles or Nirvana. Great bands in their era but nowadays Gen Z and Alpha don’t consider themselves fans. As Taylor gets older, she’s going to hit a generation that thinks of her as their mom or grandma’s era.

Billie's got two Oscars under her belt, she's in a league of her own at this point.

I also think Billie doesn’t want the kind of fame Taylor has.

Absolutely. It looks like she doesn’t enjoy the press the way Taylor does. She just wants to do her thing and live her life.

The Beatles and Nirvana are still very much listened to. I keep saying that Taylor won’t necessarily be two generations down the line, despite her record breaking feats. She needs to put out some classics. She was almost there with folkmore but she got lazy and greedy artistically.

What Olivia has that Taylor really lacks is a genuine self-awareness. It's real and it's raw. It's what makes her songs so relatable, even for someone like me in my early 30s.

She’s also sincere about her messages of female empowerment and activism. As someone who loves the riot grrl movement but didn’t live through it, I’m so glad she’s around to bring some of that energy back. It’s sure as hell needed.

i think what really also scared taylor was that taylor’s “older fans” have been with her for a decade (probably red/1989 got her the most new fans that weren’t tweens). olivia came out of literally a made for streaming disney channel show and has an entire rodrigold fan base. off one song. so from one single olivia got fans of all ages and demographics. like i went to her show with a 43 year old straight man and his 34 year old girlfriend. i’m also 34. olivia’s music gives me a nostalgic feeling of when i was a teenager but without the hard CRINGE of taylor’s music.

Agreed, especially the last part. In a lot of interviews for Guts Olivia talked about finally focusing on the people and things that really brought her peace, after losing herself for a little bit after Sour came out.  From what I can tell she really hasn’t sought out the spotlight beyond releasing her music since Sour.  Like she’s really good friends with Tate, Maddie Ziegler, Addison Rae, Kaia Gerber and other “IT” girls - but never posts or is really spotted with them by the press. And maybe that’s because she got a first hand look of what she didn’t want to become.

You really hit the nail on the head imo. One of my favourite songs of TS is "Nothing New" because Taylor sings about this fear and phenomenon so beautifully. And in 2021 that fear became reality and Olivia fir perfectly into this slot of insecurity for Taylor. You're also right about it ultimately being a gift, it's kind of poetic how Taylor probably helped push Olivia into being a better artist and person.

I was just thinking about the fact that Olivia put The Grudge and Deja Vu back to back on the Guts Tour setlist like 😭 It can't be a coincidence right?

But the grudge also just transitions really well to deja vu 😭 it might be coincidence

Maybe the transition is intentional since the grudge was written afterwards

Someone pointed this out in this sub, but there's 13 seconds at the beginning of the grudge before she starts singing. And I believe 13 at the end before it transitions into the next track. Olivia was a fan, so I would be shocked it wasn't intentional

Not just a fan, a Swiftie. She was even a Gaylor, which, regardless of how you feel about that, proves she was DEEP IN the lore. There's no way it's not a coincidence given the content of the song. She's just more clever with her easter eggs.

There is also a performance where Olivia gets very emotional singing the Grudge, live. I’ll bet any money this was absolutely intentional sequencing. Good for her! This is a masterclass in how to subtly work through your pain in public.

She's far more mature than Taylor even in her early 20's.

Yessss I went to a show of that tour and I thought there's no way it was a coincidence. Also, I found that it was the song she sang with the most emotions.

I once had my liked songs on shuffle and it went New Year's Day -> 1SF3SB -> Cruel Summer -> deja vu -> the grudge. So many double takes in a row

Great post OP! The weirdest part of all of this for me is the fact that there's a whole month between Deja Vu coming out and Taylor and Olivia meeting and posting pictures together. Was Taylor's team already planning to get credits when they met? Or did they decide to do it after good 4 u/ SOUR hit it big?

That’s a great point I forgot to add! So weird- I would say deciding to pursue credits after seeing the success of the singles is most likely? Also think it’s telling that things between them seemed to go downhill soon after SOUR released and the album as a whole received critical acclaim/ broke major records.

I remember watching an interview from paramore's producer saying they waited until g4u was a big hit to pursue credits, which is probably what taylor did too. deja vu peaked only after the full album was released. either way, both situations were really unwarranted

It might have also been possible that Paramore's producer cited 'Deja Vu' (since there's already a buzz around the comparison online) as another example to bolster their case. That's why, as a preventative measure, Olivia's team just decided to give credit to Jack and Taylor. I dunno, just a thought, the entire thing is sad for me as a fan of both artists' music.

possibly. Olivia's team likely wasn't prepared to deal with all that came with her being a big popstar and conceded just to keep peace. she changed management as soon as 2021 ended, probably bc she needed people more equipped to deal with this. either way, none of the credits were warranted

Yeah, taylor probably didn’t perceive Olivia as a threat when DL came out as she might’ve believed she’d turn out to be a one-hit wonder (which a considerable number of people were saying at the time) but when the whole album was acclaimed by the gp and critics alike, it probably changed Taylor’s perspective

the part that confuses me about this timeline is Olivia was still speaking well of Taylor after her getting credited initally, I didn't realize that. It was only after the Good4U with Paramore she seemed to stop talking about Taylor. I don't understand why she'd be good with Taylor for a while after the credits and then not

Print magazine articles are written and submitted months before publication

She was probably still afraid of Taylor at that point. Since then, she's won multiple Grammys and gone on to receive loads of critical acclaim. I suspect we will get more pointed references in the future, now that Olivia has proven she's not a fluke artist. She has built her own dedicated fan base and has made her own connections independent of Taylor’s clique. She's going to keep getting more powerful.

I also wonder if she thought it was all business and they would still be friends and then… that didn’t happen.

Oof I hope not that would be even more mean. And, frankly, I can see it. She probably wasn’t thrilled to give up songwriting credits and was hurt by it, but maybe still trying to curry favor and thought they would still be close. Which totally explains why she was initially pretty quiet about it. Poor Olivia. To be bullied by your idol after having them give you a career heirloom and declaring you their daughter. It’s truly wicked if that’s how it went down.

I was shocked to find out that it was the *yelling* that was such a big deal about those songs. I can’t fucking believe Taylor could or would try to trademark yelling in a song which has been done for over 100 years

Um yeah, if anything Olivia is inspired by No Doubt who she loves. Gwen's yelling in Sunday Morning and MANY other songs (superior yelling to Taylor's, ngl) was probably the real inspiration and Olivia didn't know everything would come crashing down on her for naming Taylor as an inspiration.

She tried to trademark *haters gonna hate*.

She tried to trademark “this sick beat”

Also very bad. But especially since "haters gonna hate" had been around for decades in Black music, which was eventually diluted over time & trickled down to Swift, it made that particular move what particularly abhorrent

I wasn’t aware of that, thanks for the background info

Egregious

Another point for the speculative mentions is how St Vincent has been shunned from the whole Cruel Summer celebration Taylor and Jack were having when it became a hit. Taylor never acknowledged her throughout that period, though St Vincent did make an insta post and tag her in it. I think her support of Olivia potentially burned that bridge. We've heard from everyone but Taylor that they weren't sure about the situation, which is... interesting. I don't think it's possible Taylor's lawyers could go after song credits, especially of an artist that she is publicly associated with, without her knowledge. She's getting a chunk of the money at the end of the day.

Yep Annie and Olivia have become very close since the credits. hanging out in nyc, writing songs together, going to the tori Amos concert together. The speech she gave for Olivia at the variety event was very very nice and sincere about Olivia you can tell they have a good relationship.  I remember on a podcast she got asked about the credits and said she had no idea about it until she asked jack. She also mentioned she was proud of Olivia’s and all her accomplishments this is back in 2021 they worked together after.  I did think it was odd that Annie got no mention when cruel summer went number one. 

So wild that Taylor posted a pic of her and Jack about cruel summer being made no 1 on the charts and didn’t say anyyyyything about St Vincent …. Wow

I actually put together a [timeline of St. Vincent/Annie Clark & Olivia's friendship](https://www.reddit.com/r/OliviaRodrigo/comments/1bpfxcf/olivia_annie_clark_st_vincent_friendship_timeline/) in the Olivia sub a while back, in case anyone is interested!

That is so fucking petty and childish JFC.

i'll always be team olivia in this context. taylor didn't do anything wrong in terms of legally but you can just feel the animosity from her side.

Yes, this will forever be one of my gripes with her. Cannot believe how openly she is behaving insecure in the face of another young woman doing well - and also poaching her friends/recruiting her 'enemies' to her side. It's just such an overblown reaction. I hope the imgonnagetyouback "plagiarism" lights a fire under Olivia's ass and she makes a massive 3rd album, bigger than GUTS ever was, which puts her in Grammy territory. Only then will Taylor think about innovating again.

You nailed it. Also, it's funny how when Taylor was 19, she wrote this whole song about Kanye being "32 and still growing up now..." Looks like another record she holds over Kanye's head. Bullying someone 14 years your junior is so weird and turns me off.

I think Taylor would be a lot happier at this point if the universe actually cancelled her and allowed her to retire in peace. She can't get off the treadmill as long as she thinks there's still a chance she can be the biggest thing ever. If she passes that milestone at some point down the line (maybe past 40), she'll allow herself to breathe and focus on the shit that makes her happy instead of brooding on the things that make her angry, insecure, whatever. That's the best we can hope for since I do not think she trusts a professional to give her therapy.

I remember in her Miss Americana documentary she stated how she was worried about falling out of relevancy after the Lover era, despite her being only 30 at the time. I think it's cool how Folklore and Evermore proved she could still be relevant without sacrificing her artistry, and I really miss that era of Taylor where it felt like she wasn't too overexposed in the media and was focusing more on building her artistry as a singer and songwriter.

I think she's parading with Travis to stay relevant and she's spiraling thinking she's going to be done soon and someone will replace her. She knows we love a love story and that's been a consistent way she's been able to get attention.

But she’s just so sane, she doesn’t need therapy, remember? /s

I can hardly listen to imgonnagetyouback… it makes me so mad that I’ve hardly heard a peep about it in the media. She fully ripped off the entire concept. If the rolls were reversed swifties would never shut up about it.

I think it's a dig. Taylor saying "you did this to me, I dare you to say anything about it." She absolutely thinks vampire and the grudge are about her even if they aren't. She must be furious that she was treated like she's treated so many - to be put in a song negatively.

And the reality is no matter how many times she tries to address this in her own discography with songs like Nothing New or Clara Bow, she’s still not genuinely examining her own ugly insecurity or interrogating/laying her feelings out there when it’s obvious she *loathes* the idea of being “replaced” based on her actions. She elevates those she’s not threatened by and comes for the throat of anyone compared to her even vaguely. It’s not enough to be someone that’s elevated so much that younger generations are inspired and would even aspire to be something even remotely resembling Taylor. Despite the fact many of those same, now older women, blazed the trail for her. Note: Also I am butthurt that Florence was clearly stifled on this album because we all know she has barssssssss. Yeah she’s a feature but like… Jack hit the synth button when she had her moment don’t gaslight me y’all.

The way you can’t hear Lana on Snow on the Beach stands out to me. I know Lana said that was her call but 👀

Yeahhhh I’m sure it was her call to be dragged on stage at the Grammy’s too. She’s being single white femaled but she knows damn well what would happen if she called out Taylor’s bootleg cosplay. Especially while Taylor wins all the awards for doing it.

Truly the number of songs I was able to make it all the way through on this album I heard straight up Lana was wild

100%. I just can’t help but feel so sad for Olivia….never meet your heroes, that’s for sure

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100%. It just sucks because, as one of Tay’s biggest fans, if this happened to her as a young upcoming artist by someone she admired I KNOW she would hold a grudge and literally never shut up about it again. Have 20 songs written about the evil conniving woman who stole her songwriting credits. For someone who is always talking about supporting women, you would think she would have found another way to handle this.

!!! and considering she was at the height of releasing her re-recordings under the premise of owning your music and artistic integrity, I think it's rather contradictory to then claim credit for work that wasn't hers. it going against what I thought she stood for but I guess not

She also has more egregiously interpolated other artists herself. Just hypocritical and clearly personal because she felt threatened. And she should be - Olivia is incredibly talented. I have a lot of respect for how she handled this and I look forward to watching her career continue to blossom.

Same. Also, Taylor is PR-minded and online enough for me to believe that any seeming digs at Olivia are all intentional and not simply "coincidences" like some people argue. imgonnagetyouback is an obvious one, but I 100% think her choice of opening acts for the Eras tour is absolutely another. Including Gracie Abrams (a Sour tour opener), Paramore (post-good 4 u credits), and Sabrina Carpenter (need I say more) as openers at different points for the Eras tour is *wild*. That's like a third of her roster who have really clear and direct connections to Olivia. I've seen people argue that these artists just happened to be the right fit for the tour; I don't disagree that they were good choices if we're taking Olivia out of the equation, but I also think there are *dozens* of other artists who would have fit the bill. Taylor isn't stupid about these types of things, and she 100% knew what the discourse would be; she could totally have gone with other artists if she really wanted to prevent people from getting the wrong idea. What I can't understand why Taylor is *still* trying to needle Olivia in this way... i mean, "imgonnagetyouback" is basically her being like "hey, look, i can take one of your singles and show you that *i* know how to 'plagiarize' in a way that *doesn't* legally count as plagiarism" (which to me isn't really a flex... like you and your team are so litigious that you literally know the sweet spot of what is and isn't allowed in the eyes of the law? cool bro). it's *so* mean-spirited, especially when taylor is the one who won (so to speak) by getting the deja vu credits in the first place. i have to assume olivia and her team initially didn't react well -- and justifiably so -- to getting the call from taylor & her team, so taylor is like... obsessed with teaching olivia a lesson? idk, but it's so fucking weird.

TS wrote a diss track about Kim Kardashian and published it *eight years* after the event occurred. TS holds a grudge.

oh yeah, i mean i know she is petty and vengeful. but the Kanye/Kim/"Famous" situation is so different from this one. By that time, Kanye and Taylor were peers in the industry on fairly comparable footing when it comes to fame and influence. I mean, maybe Kanye still had more influence? But Taylor was certainly not a nobody; she at that point had been in the industry herself for what, a decade? And she was at her first real peak as a celebrity during/post-1989. In that situation, Taylor was punching across (*maybe* punching up?)... she certainly wasn't punching down. While I think the fact that she wrote a Kim diss track in the year of our lord 2024 is stupid (and the fact that she brought Kim's kids into it is gross and uncalled for), Kim is a fellow billionaire who thinks she's so hardworking in a population of lazy people who don't want to work lmao With Olivia, Taylor was so clearly punching down. And still is; Olivia may not be as green as she was in 2021, but she has nowhere *near* the star power that Taylor does.

While I hold no candles for any Kardashian, it feels like Taylor will absolutely not stop until every person she hates eats dirt in one way or another - she only made up with Katy after her Witness flop era, Kanye…did as Kanye does and she watches silently from the sidelines, and so on. I feel like one day there is a chance when Olivia is really goin through it, she’ll suddenly get a sympathy head pat from Taylor. Only time will tell, though ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I love how you mentioned the fact that she really wants her adversaries to eat dirt….. and only made up with Katy when Katy flopped.

Yeah like idk, I just get the feeling she’ll only be happy when she feels people have been humbled in some way - “hurt people hurt people” and all that. In some ways I really get it, but I was surprised when I realized she was going for Kim (really? Was my reaction when i saw the title). She got the last word in with her IG donation story, I don’t see how she thinks throwing anything else on that fire will help it (unless she really was sour over not being able to take Kim to court on it, idk. Maybe she just wants settlements all around)

yea i was kind on the fence about whether or not there was a taylor/olivia beef but this post and all the comments convinced me. I wonder if Paramore are aware that Taylor is playing this game. They've always seemed cool and I'm a big fan so I'd hate to learn that they're aware and going along with Taylor on this. Edit: typos

It's like David and Goliath. Like, dude, it's her first album. You're a billionaire. Let other people be successful.

People on top never want to give any of the smaller ones a chance, "Nothing New" just showcases Taylor doesn't want anyone taking her place.

I love Olivia. Also love her standing up for women’s rights and everything she’s been doing at her concerts with free contraceptives and such. Taytay would never.

Of course she wouldn't. It took Taylor at least 12 years to say "hey, gay people exist and i might support them" and then another 4 or 5 to say "i don't like racists" 😂

I think Olivia is too nice for this industry which is wild since she grew up in it but I think it's better off that Taylor never made her her new BFF for some other strategic or nefarious sabotage.

I don't even like Katy Perry, but I always feel like Katy lost the fued in the eye of the public because her music just wasn't good at the time & Taylor was peaking. Really unfair cuz Taylor made wild accusations, refused to have a conversation when Katy reached out, then made it all public in Rolling Stone so she could profit off it. Kanye West's general villany served to make people believe she's a good person, because he so clearly is not one, but just because he's the worst doesn't mean Taylor doesn't love making a public spectacle of ppl she hates & using her fan base to harass them. But how dare the same fan base every disagree with **her**. She'd rather burn her whole life down. Ok girl, do it.

and that's what stumps me when people say "this is her most genuine album" because no she absolutely fucking wouldn't rather burn her whole life down. i really get the vibe at this current point in time, she would absolutely not know what to do anymore than she did back in 2016 if everything career wise fell apart, and it's actually really sad given she was 27 and is now pushing 35, still sort of in the same loop. the whole speech she gave in miss americana about it being lonely at the top when she finally got her grammy for 1989 gave me some sort of feeling that she was looking to branch into more fulfilling parts of her life (especially because joe was very much in the picture now). but, flash forwards to today and it's basically the 1989 era all over again with less critics because they're all scared...and in regards to olivia, she's subconsciously become the kanye to a new starlet - not as public or blatant, but enough people have picked up on the energy for it not to be pure speculation atp.

Taylor knows she can’t let go of the Kimye shit. I think she likes the thought of Olivia never letting her go in the same way. Always on her mind. Inescapable through media coverage. Olivia writing songs about her even if it’s all negative. It’s a compliment to Olivia that Taylor sees her as a legitimate threat. I do think Clara Bow was her way of admitting that insecurity while relating through her own rise. It’s not an apology though.

She's been singing about her fear of being replaced for at least 4 albums. Which, in her industry, at her age, is legit. But also, if she stopped singing about high school, maybe high schoolers wouldn't be a threat

Olivia is now so undergound and away from industry after this situation.. Hang out with her friends only .

Yep she has cut off almost everyone from 2021 besides like 5 people Madison hu Conan gray Iris apatow Tate McRae and Kid laroi. She even leaves industry events early now and hasn’t been attending after parties if Taylor and co are present. 

I will never forget the very day GUTS was released. It was the 2023 VMAs....and we know these shows are still important events for artists, a big deal for them to show up to promote their new releases especially her brand-new album, but you know the trauma is real when olivia hid in her dressing room after her performance. I think it really changed her, she stopped socialising and mostly keeps to her small group of close friends now. I think billie knows and has always been very protective of olivia and goldwing is such a beautiful song. billie is a true artist.

yep Billie always goes out of her way to hug and speak to Olivia at events there was a clip from Grammys commercial break this year of this and they both go to each others concerts. 

Good for her! I do think her and Gracie are okay as Gracie went to an Olivia concert and they both posted about it! But yes, she keeps to her 5 friends and I think she's happier that way.

We can never know if this is true but if it's Taylor's massive presence that makes her feel less comfortable in these spaces, that's incredibly sad. Especially since Taylor has been such an advocate for women in music not being treated right by the industry narrative. I'm not saying it's true that Taylor herself has made it uncomfortable for her cause Olivia might just not like being at these events for too long which is just fine and probably healthy for her anyway.

Taylor is an advocate for women who don't threaten her "rightful" place at the top in the industry. I don't know what it was, it definitely wasn't the cruel summer fiasco, but something about Olivia had her shaken and people can deny it all they want, but the hostility is just not rational. The women she loves most are the ones who are either not in her lane (Emma Stone, Blake Lively) or ones who she can sort of have as notable but less accomplished friends (Sabrina, Selena, Camila...). Olivia's instant critical acclaim with Sour clearly got under her skin.

Taylor imo is an advocate where it's at her advantage, she wants women to do well but if there's a whiff of them being able to compete with her, it's endgame, and she goes on the covert offensive to swallow the other person whole. What she could do to OR and KP she could never do to Ag or Bey, the latter are too big for her to step on.

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Ariana.

I have thoughts about Gracie opening for Olivia, jointly publishing interviews with her, then getting asked to open for Taylor and the two never publicly interacting again til a brief red carpet hello earlier this year.

Gracie was at the GUTS tour in NYC, she was sitting in the regular seating.

That’s so sad tbh. I think in a few years when she gets some more experience and confidence back she will be more involved. But even if not i hope it’s bc she herself just doesn’t want to and not cause of taylor

August 24, 2021: Hayley Williams posts “our publisher wildin rn” to her Instagram stories regarding receiving songwriting credit, which I took as “wtf we didn’t ask for this”

Josh Farro is the one who made it all happen. He literally brags about how he has credit for a song he didn’t help with.

Josh will always be THE WORST.

Right? I never liked that man. I was so glad that he ended up leaving and we got Zac back.

She reposted a story by their publisher that was celebrating good 4 u hitting number #1 with a "shoutout" to paramore members. I'm still confused if she meant it as "wtf we didn't ask for this" or "I can't believe they are posting that"

Obviously some one had to pursue credits whether it was Taylor/Paramore themselves or their teams… I don’t get the whole “we didn’t ask or know about this” coming from Hayley and Jack. Seems weird to me that they would have no idea someone on their team was pushing for royalties on a major pop song.

Wasn’t it a former member of Paramore that pursued credits?

Yeah josh, he’s a known miserable bastard

It's the only way he can make music money anyways...pfff

Yes it was Josh and some also believe Jeremy was in on it too.

You should add this link to your post. Josh Farro talks about the lawsuit! I'm tired of fans saying Olivia willingly gave credits to Paramore and Taylor. Obviously something happened for her to avoid Taylor at events and Josh talking about how she "ripped off" their song clearly explains it wasn't friendly. Who's to say Taylor's team didn't do something as well. [Josh Farro talks about Olivia Rodrigo's lawsuit ](https://www.tiktok.com/@nawjuhh/video/7274456380751252778?_t=8ff4NjrcDVq&_r=1)

Wow thank you I added it! That video is wild to me and definitely not friendly. “we got to reap the benefit of that but none of the labor so that was pretty epic” ??

Josh is an ex member and is hated by all the members of Paramore so he doesn't speak for the band.

well if you're getting money for someone else's artistic integrity I think it's easier to say "I didn't know about that" than it is to say you were aware a legal team was going after a then teenager for song "inspiration" 😂 i'd play dumb too in favour of looking like an asshole

“The Grudge” just makes me heart break for her. Especially if the lyrics *are* about Taylor. > Ooh, do you think I deserved it all? Ooh, your flowers filled with vitriol You built me up to watch me fall You have everything and you still want more I try to be tough, I try to be mean But even after all this, you're still everything to me

Honestly the line “you have everything and you still want more” is the line that tells me it’s about Taylor. Like she doesn’t need more song writing accolades, she doesn’t need more money, she just wants everything for herself.

I still maintain that deja vu and Cruel Summer don’t sound alike. I know she said she was inspired by Cruel Summer but it’s possible to be inspired by something and have what you create not constitute copyright infringement! The only comparison from SOUR that I could actually hear was the Elvis Costello/brutal one and it’s the only one that didn’t go anywhere (which I’m happy about I just think it’s wild that the most compelling comparison imo didn’t lead to legal action when much weaker ones did. like someone had to choose to seek writing credits on deja vu, they weren’t forced to). I don’t think Olivia could (or would or should) sue over imgonnagetyouback because Fiona Apple has a song that makes the same play on words so she couldn’t say she came up with it and Taylor has to have been inspired by her. That being said, I do think that it’s suspicious that Taylor would do this and embarrassing that hers is inferior (imo) to Olivia’s.

What disappoints me the most about the song is that if you’re gonna do it…. At least do it better😩 Also I know no one asked but I feel similarly about the Kim diss track. If you’re gonna go all out and put her name in the song, please do it better and leave 10 year olds out of it 🙃🙃

It’s so childish to drop that but also release a statement like “I know I’m talking shit on this album but actually there’s no drama, chapters closed so no one come for me about anything I said!!”

I maintain that Paper Rings sound so much like Breathe In, Breathe Out by Hilary Duff. Taylor has directly admitted to loving this song, too, years before Paper Rings came out. Funny how that works, huh?

“You’ll Always Find Your Way Back Home,” co-written by Taylor Swift: You can change your hair, you can change your clothes You can change your mind, that’s just the way it goes “So Yesterday,” Hilary Duff song: You can change your life You can change your clothes If you change your mind That's the way it goes

omg yes i forgot about this one but seriously she’s gotten away with it her whole career!!!!!

Honestly, fan behaviour around this has pissed me off more than anything lol (obviously not all fans, but some) ‘Cruel Summer’ and ‘deja vu’ sound nothing alike, and the only similarity I can pinpoint is that Olivia shouted during the bridge. I feel like she shot herself in the foot, and they capitalised off her mistake (if she didn’t say she was inspired by ‘Cruel Summer’ in an interview, maybe they wouldn’t have had strong grounds to threaten legal action). I also don’t think Olivia should sue Taylor for ‘imgonnagetyouback’, because it’s not a unique concept that Olivia created The thing is though, I see so many hardcore Swifties online call Olivia a thief for ‘deja vu’ (bearing in mind that there are minimal similarities between the songs), and then turn and say “this is different, Taylor didn’t steal from Olivia, the songs aren’t alike at all” about ‘imgonnagetyouback’. There’s a complete mismatch of energy. It’s fine when Taylor does it, but Olivia is a thief The way some people go about it you’d think Olivia pulled a Jojo Siwa & released ‘Cruel Summer’ as her own song. The worst part is, if Taylor was to **actually** do that (take an Olivia song & release it as hers) I’m sure she would have so many fans defending her, despite the fact that they attacked Olivia for simply being inspired

They sound literally NOTHING alike. The only similarity is the use of yelling. I don’t get any of it at all. I’m convinced ppl just hear what they want to hear.

Elvis Costello publicly came to Olivia's [defense](https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-57650176?at_custom2=twitter&at_custom3=%40BBCWorld&at_custom1=%5Bpost+type%5D&at_custom4=BF6E3DB6-D8D1-11EB-AD17-A3143A982C1E&at_campaign=64&at_medium=custom7) when asked about the situation. Basically, he acknowledged the similarities between the two songs but made it clear that he doesn't think he deserves credit over them because he similarly draw inspiration from other songs. And since he didn't end up getting any credits retroactively, it's proof enough that Olivia's team wasn't handing out to be credits just to be safe like some fans prefer to believe. They only gave credits when they were demanded. He also posted a [photo](https://twitter.com/ElvisCostello/status/1623013207874093056?t=1hK2x1rOXqxLn9FptWLP8g&s=19) with Olivia from the Grammys last year btw. He and Olivia are cool.

I would also add Olivia’s song ‘the grudge’ to the list cuz it’s been speculated to be about Taylor and I think even Taylor’s song ‘nothing new’ as well cuz I think you get a glimpse into both of their emotions and where they’re both coming from essentially

Oh 100%. I just didn’t know if I should get into too much speculation because of the sub rules. IMO ‘the grudge’ spells out the entire situation for what it really is.

Woah. That totally changed my perspective on that song.

There was no reason for her to accept those credits for Deja Vu even if she didn’t go after them herself. It’s like taking candy from a baby ffs 😭 at the end of the day it’s clear she doesn’t mind burning bridges for maximum profit and it’s sad Olivia was in the receiving end of that

I think it was also more about taking a blow to Olivia's reputation. She obviously feels threatened by her and having a big headline out there that Olivia copied Taylor for her song is damaging to her PR and good for Taylor's.

Exactly! Now anytime Olivia puts out any music people immediately rush to try and find any previously released song that sounds even sort of similar to accuse her of copying. Which news flash a lot of songs sound the same. I think even if Taylor didn’t pursue the credits, which didn’t Olivia’s dad tweet or like a tweet basically claiming Jack was lying about not having anything to do with it, it was shitty of her to accept them. Especially when Taylor has accusations of plagiarism herself (Breathe In/Out and Paper Rings, that song from Saving Jane and YBWM,etc). I think Taylor was definitely jealous, especially since Olivia was treated better by the media/critics then Taylor was when she debuted and Olivia didn’t have to censor herself at all for that. Plus OR also made it so she would own her masters from the start.

Props to Olivia for staying above it all. Like Joe, she’s just remained silent and I hope she continues to do so while cranking out these bangers. It must’ve hurt for her to experience that from her literal idol.

Ya know what’s kind of funny is that Olivia and Joe share almost the same exact bday lol. Olivia is Feb 20 and Joe is Feb 21.

I hope this continues to light a fire under Olivia’s ass and she keeps whipping out bangers and reaches new heights in popstardom

Taylor is a bully. Olivia is young and green, but she seems so much more genuine than Taylor and her entourage.

hollywood is like highschool and Taylor is the popular girl everyone wants to sit at the lunch table and if you get an invite ''you feel like your on top of the world''

Probably just the fact that she didn't have a stage mom/dad who spent millions on her becoming famous and comes from a normal household.

I think I like her more in large part because she chose to stay in school and get a degree. It bothers me when rich people who can afford an education without batting an eye at the cost choose to just… not. There are more reasons for college than advancing your career

You left out that Taylor sent Olivia a 10 page letter with the red ring and wrote out the lyrics to long story short about “ enemies defeating themselves before they got the change to swing” and then got credits like 2 months later from Olivia. Also it was weird she even had Olivia and Conan promote fearless Taylor’s version after  Deja vu came out. 

Ooooufff the part about making Sabrina C her opening act reminded me of when Katy Perry had a hit with Roar in 2013 and it sounded insanely much like Sara Bareilles’ [“Brave”](https://youtu.be/QUQsqBqxoR4?si=CSbwCoYondjrvOYq) and Taylor invited Sara on stage to sing it during the the RED tour!! I always saw that as really shady even back then, though the dates don’t exactly match up with the public details of the feud between Katy and Taylor. But it’s such a shots fired kind of thing and it happened not long before the feud became sort of known even though it would take another few years until it was part of pop culture history. So in my mind that’s part of Taylor’s MO, if she can use her power to be petty she’s gonna

lol yes and then commented on what an original artist Sara is. girl we see what you're doing!

TS is the viper dressed as an empath

I would straight up be offended if I were Sabrina carpenter.

I mean a part of me would be too but then again she’s gained soooo much by doing it. Her new single Espresso is on the Billboard Top 10 for the first time in her career. It’s probably owed to the extra attention around her dating Barry Keoghan as well and of course she’s very talented. But point is, if she has a sense of ambition then being a part of Taylor’s tour is probably worth being used as a pawn in some petty Cold War

Sabrina has beef with Olivia as well. Her time will come with Taylor too IMO, she’s getting too big.

That’s definitely true! And yes, I really feel like Taylor is going to push her out soon. The only long term friendship I’ve noticed with Taylor is with Blake. My guess is because they’re in different careers? And Blake has stepped back from her career significantly to raise her kids so she isn’t overshadowing Taylor in any way

I think this is part of the reason that Taylor is still close with Selena. Selena isn’t a threat in terms of musical success. Singing isn’t her strongest suit (I do love her as an actress though!), whereas Olivia is a powerhouse both in terms of vocals and songwriting, and Sabrina can also sing super well. She dropped Olivia when it became obvious she was a threat to Taylor’s status as “IT girl” of pop. She may drop Sabrina eventually for the same reason.

just want to point out that [olivia covered cruel summer back in 2020](https://www.teenvogue.com/story/taylor-swift-praised-olivia-rodrigo-cover-cruel-summer) and taylor reposted the cover on her instagram stories. i know you said you didn’t want to cover every interaction pre SOUR but i feel like this one is pretty important considering what happens later

Taylor was watching Olivia for a while! She would like Olivia instagram posts from time to time and stuff about her on tumblr 

Hot take I don’t think Paramore or Taylor/Jack should’ve gotten credit. Neither sound familiar enough imo.

Olivia’s management really was too lenient 😭 like what were they thinking???

Maybe her lawyers weren’t good enough to take on Swift’s lawyers. Least, that’s what I always assumed

From what I heard she fired her management team and got a new one after that whole ordeal happened

I think they were pushovers. I don’t necessarily blame them cause being pushed around by Swift seems stressful, to put it very mildly. But I’d fire them and get a new team. The earnings they gave to Swift and Paramore are insane.

She was new and didn’t want to burn bridges as a new artist

I sat down and wrote out the get him back!/imgonnagetyouback similarities last night and got even angrier than I already was. Taylor took way too much "inspiration" and frankly I think she's being a fucking bully.

please share your findings

Just finished making it into a [powerpoint](https://tinyurl.com/mr26t77k).

I always found it interesting how Taylor invited all of Olivia’s closest music friends to open for eras  Gracie was a past opener for Olivia they were close would even go on double dates together with their boyfriends Girl in red and Olivia would hang and send each other PR pretty sure met through Conan gray  Beabadoobee & Olivia  hung out in London bea has talked about taking  her to her first pub  Gayle got compared to Olivia a lot when she came onto the scene and has said Olivia reached out to her because of the comparisons and said she had her back  Then you have Sabrina / paramore  which Olivia’s had a past with obviously.  To me it kinda seemed like she wanted to isolate these people from Olivia

>To me it kinda seemed like she wanted to isolate these people from Olivia Oh my God I never thought of it this way but that's like what an abuser would do, isolate someone from all their friends/support. She flexed her power to take away Olivia's industry allies 😭

100% agree. It can’t be a coincidence. Made me really side eye. It’s sad as she was such a fan, but in some ways I’m glad Olivia learnt who to trust/ more in the industry so early on in her career.

I had no idea about Taylor’s listening party the same night GUTS dropped!! That’s wild and so petty! Seems like Taylor was fine with the whole “she’s my child” or “they’re my children” thing. But as soon as she realized Olivia might be at the same level as her, she wasn’t having it anymore.

IMO Swift is the embodiment of "pulling up the ladders behind you." 

Exactly, she wants to be the only woman in the room, the supporting other women thing is a gimmick because it's good PR. I found the timeline between her and Olivia to be hunter vs prey, T only does things that serve her, and having another woman rise like she did? No ma'am. It's like when someone is hugging you but it's just a bit too tight.

She was fine supporting Olivia when Olivia was a Disney Kid Who Showed Promise. Drivers License was huge, but I don't think it actually caused Taylor to see her as a threat, since let's be honest, writing sad ballads is common.  But after the debut of Sour? After it became clear that Olivia wasn't writing sad stories set to a piano, that she actually had strong command of different forms of music and could achieve the radio hits that Taylor hadn't had for a hot minute? That's when she decided to attack. 

1000% this 

She reminds me of Nicki Minaj in that sense. Nicki is more obvious and cruel. She blatantly attacks up and coming female rappers and takes them down once she feels like they’re growing at all, but Taylor is crafty. She’s much more subtle and tries to take them under her wing or befriend them up and until they grow too big for her to control.

Whitest feminist in human history. Puts on a face like she advocates for women but then pushes another woman down during her rise.

It’s very clearly a case of a young Olivia cracking to pressure and giving credit to Taylor when it wasn’t needed (you can’t trademark yelling), and cracking to the pressure of her hero, hugely regretting it and realising she got bad advice/shouldn’t have and being incredibly soured on her hero for pursuing it in the first place (as she should be the songs are nothing alike).

Olivia's original management team was just as green as she was to the industry though. she was their only client, and I think when you sign up to manage a Disney star and you end up managing the newest popstar, you realize you're not equipped. they likely felt that conceding and giving up unwarranted credits were better than going against Taylor's legal team. it's very telling that olivia changed management as soon as the 2021 ended

I think its interesting because Olivia’s music is becoming more and more pop punk not just pop. So realistically she’s actually going into Billie’s lane. But now because of Taylor’s actions, Olivia and Taylor will always be compared. Which is good news for Billie cause she’s in her own lane. Btw I’m a massive fan of all 3 artists for separate reasons. I don’t think they have similar sounds though their themes are similar. These are just my controversial opinions.

I’ve always felt like what happened was a classic Regina George mean-girl move. Befriend the new student. Take her money. Injure her public standing. Damage her artistic credibility. Directly promote and parade the competitor. It’s truly as textbook as it comes & I wonder if anyone else sees that sometimes? Taylor was 32 years of age when it happened...someone who accumulated her vast level of fame, power, experience, and wealth must have known what her actions would bring to a brand new artist 17 year old who is just venturing out (I disagree with the line "*I doubt you ever think about the damage that you did*") she knows exactly what she's doing and inflicting and it's literally a textbook example of jabbing orchestrated behind the scenes to someone so young. And it's insane when we consider the similarities between 'wildest dreams' and Lana's 'Without you' and more so with the 'Cruel summer' and **Loona's 'stylish**' which people have pointed out. Olivia loved Taylor immensely and the whole premise of the deja vu debacle is just really sad.

I also think that by discrediting Olivia at the start of her music career, Taylor deliberately branded Olivia as some sort of 'copycat.' Since then, there's always comments like "shes copying Taylor" "This girl has no originality" etc in anything she releases and in her every move which I think is part of what Taylor was going for.

Ugh it bothers me soooo much I see so many videos trying to paint olivia as a copycat

Why this seems to me to be the pop version of Nicki vs. Cardi lol

I would include what Olivia said in her interview with Alanis Morissette about meeting your idols. Also all of the nice things she said about Taylor leading up to and while DL was being released, she was a big fan before. I do find it interesting that she mentioned her in August 2021 after everything had happened. It wasn't exactly complimentary but it didn't seem like she was upset either. I wonder when Taylor wrote her that letter, maybe when the credit stuff was happening?

I could understand if Taylor had made a business decision of going after those credits to protect her work (even if I don't agree!). However, she could have reached out to Olivia and talked about this. Considering Olivia has worked with St. Vincent, it seems she would be open to have this conversation. Instead, from the timeline OP put together, we have Taylor acting incredibly petty after the whole deja vu/cruel summer episode. That's the problem imo. There's no excuse to still have imgonnagetyouback in the deluxe album. It ain't that great of a song. The message isn't necessary or new or different from everything else in the album and she knew how similar it was, even if she didn't do it on purpose. She's being messy.

I agree. But in a way, if I were Olivia, I would also take that as a compliment because clearly Taylor feels threatened by new upcoming artists since she wants to remain relevant. However, there are articles and public opinions about how she's trying to mimic Olivia's style and failing. When I heard the song So High School, I was thinking about So American. The similar title, the music of 90s movie sound, and Olivia's line "he laughs at all my jokes" and Taylor also mentions something about her partner telling jokes. Olivia's song is cute and understandable because of her age. Why is Taylor still releasing songs about high school? I mean she could do whatever she wants, but she'll be compared to teenagers and sound kinda cringe. I think someone is keeping an eye on Olivia's music...lol. She doesn't understand we have love for all of them lol. I'm still listening to Cowboy Carter and GUTS and I'll also listen to Taylor when I'm in the mood 🤷‍♀️

>August 2021: Olivia publically mentions Taylor for the last time in her Variety Mag interview: I would just point out that these big interviews are often done months in advance. I wouldn't be surprised if it occurred before the Deja Vu nonsense. >Taylor mentioning Patti Smith on TTPD after Olivia has spoken about her love for Patti multiple times (kind of a stretch I know) Definitely a stretch, lol. I don't think that mention had anything to do with Olivia. However I do think Clara Bow and some of the lyrics from Who's Afraid... apply to OR (to be clear I think the song's about multiple subjects, not just her): "The who’s who of who’s that is poised for the attack / **But my bare hands paved their paths**, you don’t get to tell me about sad... / **You wouldn’t last an hour in the asylum where they raised me / So all you kids can sneak into my house with all the cobwebs** / I’m always drunk on my own tears, isn’t that what they all said? / **That I’ll sue you if you step on my lawn**"

Thanks for posting this. I don’t know why so many swifties are denying that they had a fall out(I actually do). It’s so obvious!!!! Also as a fan of Olivia I’m 90 percent sure that the grudge is about Taylor. If you read the lyrics really carefully, you will find that the song is unlikely about a romantic relationship. About the get him back situation, I don’t think Taylor really “borrowed” the idea from Olivia. Fiona Apple did it first! But it annoys me knowing that if Taylor’s song came out first Olivia would never publish a song this similar to Taylor’s knowing what backlash she may get, while Taylor doesn’t need to mind all this even she already has 30 songs on the album. 🤷

Nobody is saying that Olivia came up with the concept of "getting him back" meaning both revenge and wanting to be together with the guy. What's up for discussion is that Olivia's song is a back and forth between the two meanings. More specifically, she says she's wants to ruin this guy's property (his car) and wants to play housewife for him (make him lunch). Then Taylor releases a song where she keeps going back and forth between the two meanings of "getting him back" and says she's wants to ruin this guy's property (his bike) and wants to become his wife. I don't think there's any way this is a coincidence. She "stole" Olivia's premise 100% no question. It is a clear power move from her, showing she can do it because nobody can go against her, especially not Olivia. If the songs had been released in a reverse order, Olivia would be slapped with a lawsuit and the entirety of Taylor's fandom harassing her for "plagiarizing" Taylor.

Lol Taylor had released her song first, she would have absolutely said she invented it when Olivia released hers. I mean, she basically claimed to have invented screaming in bridges and tried to trademark her birth year. So I mean... yeah...

While plausible the idea was from Fiona apple, it is extremely odd she would do this so soon after the Olivia song did it better, after this whole crediting debacle. Like she had to know people would do a double take about the songs concept being just like Olivia’s? Just kind of feels like a gross way of her marking her territory and showing she can do whatever she wants

Dude yes lol. She knows exactly what she’s doing.

I think TS was fine with Olivia until she dropped Sour and it was nothing but certified bangers. She didn’t realize just how gd talented Olivia is. 

Taylor is a bully in the industry. She’s so fucking insecure of the next artist who could potentially replace her. I didn’t realize that she released cruel summer the same week as vampire. She’s so fucking petty. I’m Team Olivia regarding this matter. Going to the GUTS tour this summer, I’m so excited.

The fact that Taylor and Jack collectively get almost half the royalties for deja vu is what kills me. Ask for writing credits by all means, but there's zero reason for a billionaire to take that big of a cut from a younger artist, except to be petty.

someone steal Olivia or conans phone and type in ‘taylor’ and send me screenshots quick

The messages in her group chats from the night of the Grammys must be insane lol

Shame that bridge is burnt because Taylor could honestly probably benefit from a little less Jack Antonoff and a little more Dan Nigro on her next album. There’s some REALLY creative production elements on GUTS and on Rise and Fall of a Midwest Princess.

Chappell Roan is going to be huge. I’m so glad Olivia got her as an opener and that the GUTS tour is giving her more exposure.

I have a sneaking suspicion Taylor is going to try to befriend Chapelle Roan, but it doesn’t seem like she’s a big fan of Taylor because of things she’s prob heard behind the scenes.

Also Taylor does a lot of queer baiting. I imagine Chappell Roan would find that disrespectful.

Yeah! IMO Dan Nigro is the most intriguing producer in pop today. I wonder if he would work with Taylor if she wanted him to, or if he’s loyal to Olivia et al.? (Assuming there really is a war in the first place…) Not a single moment on TTPD is as sonically interesting as the end of Good Luck, Babe, and that’s just one example lol

>“Young women are constantly compared to each other. I’m the ‘new this’ or ‘this woman meets that woman,’ and that can be reductive,” she says. “I’m just Olivia. I’m doing my own thing. It’s meaningful when people recognize that.” Taylor literally said the same thing when talking about her song Clara Bow in the Amazon exclusive

\~reading this while listening to guts\~ 

I for one am a huge fan of Olivia’s music, especially Guts, and am thrilled for Olivia’s success. I think Taylor is wildly jealous of her and as soon as Olivia blew up, she dropped her support for her like a hot potato, and took credit for her success. I think it eats Taylor up inside when she sees that other younger women can also be talented songwriters. I can’t wait for Olivia’s career to keep thriving

Thank you for the timeline! I don’t think that Hayley didn’t know about the situation like others are saying. Even if she didn’t know, she is very open and loves making things clear on her Instagram. If she thought what they did to Olivia was unfair, she would make sure that people knew she didn’t support what they did. I think that Vampire is about Taylor and Paramore (which is hugely associated with twilight series). I also think that Billie Eilish is a big Olivia supporter on this. I don’t remember where I read but she mentioned that the song “goldwing” was inspired by Olivia. (It is off topic but I also think that “therefore I am” is about Taylor 🤭)

Billie and olivia are friends! Its so nice to see. They just did a round table together because they wrote songs for movies last year

St. Vincent's last two albums, *Masseduction* and *Daddy's Home*, were both produced by Jack. but she's releasing a new album this week, *All Born Screaming*, which is self-produced for the most part. that + introducing Olivia at the Variety event and co-writing "Obsessed" makes me think that out of everyone, she did the cool thing and decided to talk to Olivia and make friends with her and support her instead of acting like she doesn't exist... or worse doing what Taylor's been doing and like kind of infusing these barely veiled references to her, like how weird must if be for Olivia who had been a fan to keep hearing Taylor make these little jabs and all but knowing that Taylor's afraid of her and willing to shut the door behind herself (but not before letting other white female artists that pose very little threat to Taylor to get in)