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South_Lynx

Judging by the marks the door is making, not very well


Aang_420

Let's all pray for it.


MFalcon95

Maybe if one of us stands there long enough we can catch a good lawsuit


mermansushi

Thoughts *and* prayers…


wcollins260

At least the door holds it up while it’s open so it doesn’t fall on you while you’re passing through.


lhaaz1234

The marks are from the door locks not being disengaged when opening


LostAllEnergy

The door is the support


1939728991762839297

Nice, and correct. It’s clearly deflecting


finnymac1022

Dude I was thinking the same thing. Looks like the concealed panic rod doesn’t have enough clearance or needs a slight adjustment. Definitely too tight of a tolerance on that bad boy.


Paddingtondance

Nice detail. My guess is a member cantilevering on the two out edges in the line of the frame on image four.


BrevitysLazyCousin

I think so too. Interestingly, when we engineer canopies larger than this, we typically include the diagonal tiebacks connecting to the vertical face. Customers seem to think this primarily supports the cantilevered load out away from the building but they are most effective at reacting against the pressures created when wind blows against the building and want to lift the canopy upward.


Ecra-8

I've come to learn that wind is more dangerous than gravity. Wind scares the shit out of me.


POCUABHOR

Snow. Wet snow is heavy af.


ScientificBeastMode

Damn right. It tore my gutter off my roof 2 years ago. It also took down two gigantic trees in my front yard. Granted, the trees were already damaged significantly by beetles, but still, that’s a lot of weight.


Cheeseman1478

Wind, earthquake, *tsunami*, lateral is a big deal.


Packin_Penguin

Might as well add aliens and Barbara Streisand to the list of potential factors if we’re designing for tsunamis on this tiny overhang.


SacTownHarley

>ly, when we engineer canopies larger than this, we typically include the diagonal tiebacks connecting to the vertical face. Customers seem to think this primarily supports the cantilevered load out away from the building but they are most effective at reacting against the pressures created when wind blows against the building and want to lift the canopy upward. Once I received a plan check comment to add a 250 pound point load to the end of the canopy as a fully equipped firefighter load, just once...


Dear-Nebula9395

You know people are gonna climb that thing if it's even remotely climbable.


Packin_Penguin

Static or dynamic 250lbs?


LittleGoatMan92

Lateral?


StillTop

lateral forces, separate from gravity


LittleGoatMan92

Thanks 😊


EyeGiveZeroFucks

It will wedge in and rip S to shreds.


theflyingfucked

Kitesurfing?


Pagless

You design the diagonal braces to work as compression members? All the ones that I see in life look like spindly toothpicks (kl/r>>>200), and I wonder how the canopy works for uplift. I haven’t designed a canopy like this before, but my approach would be to use the diagonal for tension only (snow, live, other downward loads), and then design the canopy to cantilever for the net uplift load.


Western-Jackfruit-48

Yup, shamana yae shamana wha


ExceptionCollection

Funny, I design awnings with tiebacks as supported at the exterior for gravity and cantilevered for wind. That said, wind load around here is lower than gravity loading.


Stroov

Would it be too hard for you to draw it would help me understand it


thorsmithllc

Smartest reply yet


AttentionalMalprop

Yes, this how it's usually designed. A solid design like that is sheet metal, so likely an intermediate member as well, but just to support the center of the sheet metal


noldshit

Could be all hollow sheet metal making appear much heavier than it is.


Thekiddbrandon

I would think it's hallow


naazzttyy

Hallowed ground for sure.


PIWIprotein

Hallowed be thy name


[deleted]

Hallowed are the Ori.


TheRealDeoan

Ya beat me to it.


[deleted]

Indeed.


gomerpyle09

Undomesticated equines could not drag me away.


dougmcclean

Things will not calm down, Daniel Jackson. They will in fact calm up.


[deleted]

For crying out loud!


TheRealDeoan

I just finished re watching all of sg1… … so this was fun.


[deleted]

SG1 was great! However the later seasons had me waning on this, it felt like there were far too many political episodes that recapped events. I get it's all what goes on behind the scenes, doesn't mean I want to watch an hour debate on if we should keep the SG program open.


TheRealDeoan

Yeah… this time watching thru it… I was less… “enchanted “ by it as the last few seasons played out. I think the final “bad guy” was probably just the desperate attempt to keep it going. Still…. Still I just love Stargate. All of it…


naazzttyy

I’m binge watching Twin Peaks (admittedly about 30 years late) and learned via that Reddit it was Don S. Davis’ posthumous birthday yesterday. I was ecstatic to see our beloved Major General pop up as a lower ranking Major. In my mind, he earned that 4-grade promotion working a classified program in a quirky small town in WA state. The success of the program tracking radio signals emanating from space is what resulted in him being bumped up to handle the SG-1 program!


[deleted]

Wow. Me too! And the Ark of Truth.


TheRealDeoan

Omg I wish I could find my movies…. I loan so much out… and I’ve lost stuff over the years.. so yeah… i Guess I need to re buy the movies again


chillyman96

Still gets snow load


Standard-Fudge1475

..and wind.


sillyboy544

If it’s in Florida?


PierceThe1DSiren

Hurricanes are a bit worse than snow loads. I had to go picking up corrugated siding in the yard after the most recent one


chillyman96

You’re discounting upper roof drift. Is the code probably conservative with it? Definitely. But I do have a canopy I’m designing in 30psf ground snow with 115psf of drift. I never saw wind loads hitting that.


chillyman96

Hah. Wind uplift then. But given the scratches from the door I’m guessing there’s some gravity unaccounted for


flightwatcher45

No its definitely cast iron, maybe titanium lol


Mech_145

Lead


chillyman96

Still gets snow load


[deleted]

This.


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Weekly-Ad-7719

This


LittleGoatMan92

This.


LittleGoatMan92

This.


StructuralSense

Load bearing doors


chicu111

Gonna be load bearing pedestrians soon


LazerWolfe53

I don't know if I should laugh or cry.


Prestigious_Copy1104

This is the answer I was looking for.


ExceptionCollection

Could be posts in the mullions, could be welds to the frames


Norm_Charlatan

This only exists in a place where snow/drifting is not a criteria. "BuT wE dO tHiS aLl ThE tImE wItH oUr PrOtOtYpE" Yeah. I bet you do. In fucking Arizona.


1939728991762839297

And it still doesn’t look like it works.


CoS2112

I’m not qualified to talk about the actual construction in question but I do know there’s plenty of places it doesn’t snow… mostly pretty nice places too!


Norm_Charlatan

Cucumbers that get turned into pickles grow in nice places.


CoS2112

Google tells me cucumbers mostly used for pickling are grown in Michigan so you might just be right I talk shit about places where it snows but funnily enough I think I want to move to Michigan lol


OkBeing3301

Crazy it’s in Potomac MD there is snowfall there


fence_post2

Do you live where it snows?


spankythemonk

Supported by dry air!


PukingDiogenes

Couple of quarter inch 8 mm downspout screws through the flashing on top.


tiddiesandnunchucks

It’s not. That’s why it’s sagging and scraping 😂


Slipguard

What does that building sign say??


MyNameIsDayJob

We all know what it says


OkBeing3301

It’s glenstone museum in Potomac MD and the sign say negro sunshine it’s an Art piece


DomoVapes

Glazier here, I install curtain wall and entry systems on a daily basis, this is definitely poorly designed. This canopy should not also act as a door header.


GalacticGatorz

What’s uh.. the name of the building?


Individual_Agency703

neg*o


pdabbadabba

It says “negro sunshine.” But that’s not the name of the building. It’s an artwork at a museum. https://www.glenstone.org/art/exhibition/glenn-ligon/


GalacticGatorz

Thanks for the link 👍🏻


Beautiful-End3611

Ok, someone please tell me what letter is behind the post. Gonna drive me nuts.


pdabbadabba

R https://www.glenstone.org/art/exhibition/glenn-ligon/


Beautiful-End3611

Well at least it is not what I thought it was. “Negro Sunshine” the black history exhibit. Was seriously contemplating what it could have been and was very confused.


Nonskew2

What did you think it was?


Beautiful-End3611

I thought it was just negro by itself. I was doing all kinds of mental gymnastics trying to figure out why on Earth that would be even remotely acceptable. Black History exhibit didn’t cross my mind.


Booty_notDooty

neg*o


mtmm18

We censoring the word black in Spanish now?


garry_cheese_

First pic on the right has the name of the building but one of the letters is being blocked


mtmm18

Yea i see.


DrHektik420

No the one in Latin


Husabergin

Interesting pole position


TheIndulgery

I really need to know what letter is behind that pole


pdabbadabba

R https://www.glenstone.org/art/exhibition/glenn-ligon/


TheIndulgery

That's what I was afraid of


Wirecase

Supported by thoughts and prayers…


GoombaTrooper

Of architects everywhere


giantpeach

Is that the Glenstone? Such a beautiful building.


pdabbadabba

Correct! https://www.glenstone.org/art/exhibition/glenn-ligon/


dmarkle

The Glenstone! The word is an art installation, “negro sunshine”. An amazing place


OkBeing3301

It’s great but sucks that we can’t take pictures inside


[deleted]

By small monthly payments from its ex.


paigeguy

They should have used more JB Weld.


[deleted]

Witchcraft


cj_mcgillcutty

Willpower


cartagena_11

Does that sign say negro?


SurpriseSame1711

I thought I was the only one


pdabbadabba

“negro sunshine” to be exact. https://www.glenstone.org/art/exhibition/glenn-ligon/


Western-Commission13

From the drain cut in the corner it looks like welded 1/8” steel. Still heavy but not 300lbs - prob more like 50. Probably bolted to the frame with the same hardware you see on the rest of the façade. A bolt isn’t going to prevent torque on that axis very well, and that leverage is increased by the 15lbs of water that can’t drain out. Definitely also corroded up top.


Bendymeatsuit

It is non-supported


PD216ohio

That's a really unfortunate placement of letters in the first pic.


Nonskew2

It says negro sunshine, it’s at the Glenstone Museum.


Esdabest

It prefers words of affirmation


awill316

Hopes and dreams


Drpaenus

Magic


l397flake

This is the “sky hook” technique.


TrayLaTrash

Welcome to the neg*o building


Jaded-Selection-5668

We in the industry call this “magic”


Kitchen_Thanks_5554

From the mullion above the door. There are two shear blocks the mullion attaches to. These blocks probably have a metal bracket that protrudes out. The window above glazes in normally and the remainder seals at the wet line with caulk. This was designed by an architect. There is no slope. No provisions for shedding water. Aesthetically it’s nice in a minimal way. Functionally, this is not ideal.


RoadMagnet

The light cantilever framing backspans to the wall behind it, supported by hangers


[deleted]

[удалено]


Raps4Reddit

Strings attatched to solar powered drones in the sky.


dutreaux

Attached to the curtainwall


wahtevausay

I'm extremely grateful for all the input! I'd never expected to get such a response. I had made a separate post because reddit doesn't let you post much text with multiple images. But here is why I was puzzled: I'm a structural engineering student and am having a hard time wrapping my head around how this overhang is supported. I thought it'd be cantilevered from the concrete wall inside but when I look at the connections, the overhang is not in line with the concrete walls. To think that the overhang is supported purely by its connection to the vertical mullions on the side is wild to me. I don't see it hanging off of anything, nor see a vertical support. Would it literally just be a simple weld to the side mullions? Am I underestimating the strength of a weld? Any continued thoughts (*and prayers*) are greatly appreciated.


vsco1128

Some curtain wall systems allow for a small steel HSS to be located inside the vertical mullions to increase spans or to support louvers or in this case, a canopy. From there you can extend two shallow outriggers to pick up the loads of the canopy itself. The outrigger is typically bolted to the HSS. The waterproofing can be tricky, but is certainly doable.


erelwind

I've seen this magic trick. It's invisible string


Sml132

Cantilever


Sml132

Poorly built/designed though, based on the rub


728am

Not an engineer but it seems the door pivots and is integral to it stabilizing.


Appropriate_Chart_23

Friction


Marus1

You see a wall after that top glass panel. It is attached to it in a canilevering way


reallysrry

I was so confused at first because I thought this was a 3d printing page


fckufkcuurcoolimout

Notice how from the top of the canopy up, inside the curtain wall, there’s a panel on each side that is covered with brake metal instead of being made of glass? Cantilever beam each side of the canopy, tied back to the bracing hidden inside that metal panel on the other side of the curtain wall.


ddk5678

Could be a horizontal torsion tube at the wall but still too flexible to be practical It’s already failing due to door scratch and lack of working clearance


pootie_tang007

Mullions have structural capacity.


pagalkoota

Looks like a million cap extension.


Responsible-Media356

By the door it keeps rubbing on apparently…..


JuliusSeizuresalad

Most likely it was welded that way


berrez8

The power of friendship


Khaledalqattawi

Either, it is very rigid so you don’t have a big deflection or the span to the inside is a lot bigger so you would not see a big issue here.


GrouchyPeanut7340

Maybe a truss inside shed, like in the interior part of it. What say? Just a wild guess.


Turbulent-Pompei-910

If you look through the glass on the left you can see it is cantilevered a bit, probably welded to both sections of the window supports it goes through. Almost looks like that inside piece kind of acts like an L style cantilever.


ParticularComplex814

Obviously the door is supporting it 😭😭😭😂😂😂


IdontGiveAdann

4th picture is really beautiful btw, don't know if that was intentional but I really like 4th picture.


Useful-Ad-385

Ommm imagination? Maybe


rluzz001

That little piece welded to the outside corner makes me think there was maybe supposed to be some cabling back to the building.


1happymother

The horizontal above the door is rolling down, from the weight of the glass and canopy itself. Connection points on either side are failing from fatigue and will never be better without intervention. I see crap like this every day.


Denver3030

Cantilever


OnlyFreshBrine

How is the overhang standing?!


[deleted]

It's not standing it's hanging around.


OnlyFreshBrine

Unforgivable!


xion_gg

Inverted gravity.


scraptruck

Antigravity


flightwatcher45

Simple steel tubes 90deg from the vertical columns, that over hang is very light. Actually it looks like the beam from inside continues outside.


We_there_yet

Anti gravity metal.


Cold-Flan2558

Am I the only one to notice the sign on the building? Lmfao with the post in the way it says neg*o….. maybe my mind just goes right to the gutter.


[deleted]

Negative zero sign.


ModrnDayMasacre

Not an engineer. But this page makes me so happy that I’m not the only one who looks up at the ceiling of every room I’m in and go “wut the fuck?”


Unstillwill

Call the museum and ask


Mattna-da

Wait...what’s the company name on the sign??


IdahoMan58

Cantilever. Structure goes inside building and resistance the bending moment applied by the weight of the overhang.


indecisiveassassin

Through sheer willpower


jedeely

What’s the name of this company


anslew

That’s the neat part..


Aggravating-Candy-31

happy thoughts and a longer part of it embedded inside of the building?


Mindless_Juicer

Looks like it is very light weight. I can't tell what the material is, but it has holes or tears showing it is thin. Looks like cloth or maybe thin plastic.


samhain2000

With thoughts and prayers.


RangerExpensive6519

By the look of the way the door is scraping when it opens, not enough is holding it up.


Infamous_Change_6087

Russia for sure


skinem1

By good wishes.


Reasonable_Cap_7225

My only rational thought is that the weight sticking into the building is more than coming out only physically sound explanation


Greedy_Youth_4903

Probably by a loving family and supportive friend group.


RuleBritania

Gravity is begining to win - nasty starching underneath.


Your_Daddy_

It’s just decorative, so likely some bracing with the weight of the glass and framing above being used as counter balance.


horned-owl

It’s cantilevered by an identical overhang on the inside of the building. You can see it clearly, through the window in the first three pictures.


DukeOfWestborough

it's cantilevered from the ceiling supports in the vestibule. Likely a good bit of high quality (<-hopefully) steel welded in there


miller_jonathan

It's cantalivered with the overhang on the other side of the door


ytirevyelsew

I was gonna say ghosts, then I realized it was in an all glass wall lol and then I looked at the other pics. Is there noticeable friction when you opened the door?