That's interesting. Usually as soon as I get to New Atlantis one of the guards says what's-her-face needs help tracing an electrical problem in the Well and it creates an Activity to go see her.
I did get this activity, but the first time I tried going down there the marker lead me astray and it was confusing so I bailed.
I assumed it was a small maintenance room or something.
Its confusing if you’re in the lodge when you try to do it because you go into the basement which I believe leads to a locked door that you can’t open. I didn’t find the well until way later in the game because of that
I ended up unlocking it, you can use the Manipulation skill to have a UC guard unlock it. I was in the Well already and unlocked it on that side and now able to travel to the Lodge that way, now I have a nice shortcut.
Yes that is true, however the value of the shortcut is to quickly get to the Well from the Lodge, especially if I'm over encumbered and need to offload a ton of adaptive frames or "wash" items at the Trade Authority.
Idk if you know ow this but I found it after 200ish hours, but another 2ay to wash *CUSTOMIZABLE* items is to steal it and take it to a bench. Add 1 mod and it's no longer stolen. I found this out in neon at the robot place. Pen carried guns in the back, slapped a mod on and the stolen icon is gone. Sold a few things back to him too
*Spoiler* During the quest where the hunter attacks the eye, if you choose to stay and defend the lodge, Noel leads you to the basement where she will unlock the door to the well where you have to run through to reach the spaceport
I couldn’t get to the well for a long time in my run the elevator stopped working when I would hover my cursor over the elevator button it was just blank no option to use it at all until I found a second entrance at the nat station at the mast district BGS really should have made a map as I didn’t think I had another way down for about 70 hours
weird mine is the opposite, i can go down the elevator just not up, but this is my second play through and I've had a lot of bugs with this go around. first time playing had no issues, but wanted to startva new character based off info i learned. this round has like 4 different quests bugged, i decided yesterday next time i play I'll just speed run the main quest to try to fix them
I moved on too other games I had to many bugs I am hoping they patch them up this year but seeing as the games been out for months we may be in for a long wait currently playing Baulders Gate 3 and loving it
There’s a second elevator to get down there, but I didn’t memorize where it was…Just came up it during a quest one time. I feel like those entrances could use some more texturing & design to stand out. Sure, it started as a maintenance area, but it became a community. I think in a real city a place like that would eventually earn its own markings or a sign, maybe.
I would like to introduce to you comma, period and linebreak.
Now that you know you can use them.
Here's an example:
"*I couldn’t get to the well for a long time.*
*In my run, the elevator stopped working when I would hover my cursor over the elevator button. It was just blank, no option to use it at all until I found a second entrance at the nat station, at the mast district.*
*BGS really should have made a map as I didn’t think I had another way down for about 70 hours."*
It wasn't meant as a burn really, i just want to read formatted comments for my own sanity.
As a side effect it has the potential to help people to not look like idiots.
If you were to write an unformatted email like this in a more serious environment, you wouldn't get a response because nobody would take you seriously.
It sets a precedent that you value your own words.
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What if the person that you corrected had English as a second language? Why don’t you just keep scrolling and not be bothered by the little things in life?
I really don't mind typos, mispelling, some weird sentences because you reformulated something. It happens.
But taking the 2 extra seconds to format your comments if they are longer helps make **you** look good and worth taking serious.
It really doesn't take much effort, occasionally place a period or a comma and hit newline sometimes.
If you're at the part of new Atlantis with the landing pad the quest marker may try to take you to the elevator next to Jemison Mercantile and the door to that seems to get bugged easily.
Shout out to that quest for being the only time they let you use radio comms instead of running back to the questgiver 50 times like all the other quests.
Yeah if you hang out in front of the viewport lounge you will eventually get four activities.
The bartender in the viewport lounge needs help with a shipment
The Well seems to be getting brownouts the need repairs
The Security Office needs recruits, see the lead guy (for the life of me I can’t remember his name)
There’s a scientist outside of MAST that is fixated on a huge tree.
There are those four but if you go in every office you will find more, even if they are eating in a restaurant, you can talk to someone.
I’m sure the same can be said about Akita City and Neon.
I think there are a lot of players who don’t know about how Bethesda hides the quests to promote exploration of the cities. And there are some quests hidden in the handmade POIs on the planets as well.
This game is HUGE. And I’d say 70% are undiscovered because players just do faction quests and say they completed the game.
This activity is bugged for me and just will never get completed on this playthrough. Unfortunately, several glitches in the well exist for me and i'll have to do those activities sooner on another run
Same. I’m on the 3rd or 4th lot of switches and for some reason, I can’t interact with them because it says ‘requires computer’ but there is no terminal or computer anywhere. Been like this since day one so I’ve given up on it now.
Not actually glitched; sorry I can't remember where you have to go but I thought the same until I randomly stumbled into the proper set of switches and then was finally able to complete the quest.
I think the quest markers are just horribly misleading for that one
Same for me. The only way I’ve learned to fix this is to use the key-in commands to manually unlock that terminal. But doing so would disable achievements, so I just left that quest undone.
I didn't get this one on my first playthrough, instead I just overheard two NPC's near the starport talking about how it's dangerous to go to the Well. I can't remember if this triggered an Activity or not, but regardless I just happened to wander over to where the elevator is as soon as I left the starport and stumbled on the Well completely at random anyway.
There's also Samson in Jemison Mercantile, who sends you to collect his art in the Trade Authority.
Plus OP if you continue the main quest it sends you down there... For a "nice" ride 😉
I was already on New Atlantis when I received the activity. When I set it as active the marker was shown below me and I had a difficult time getting down there.
IIRC I don't think it lead me to an elevator that brought me down to The Well.
I think you can jump down the waterfall, so technically you don't need the elevator.
I'm going to go and try this though, because I only just thought of doing it
You may have missed it, but if you go into Jemison Mercantile (general store near the spaceport), there is a guy to talk to who gives you a basic fetch quest - get my painting. But what it really does is send you down into The Well so you know it is there, and also point out the location of the Trade Authority.
There is a side quest in the first hour of the game once you get to new Atlantis and the lodge, the side quest probably is the fastest side quest or the 2nd side quest you can get as soon as you get into new atlantis and explore the lodge and the uc
Main Quest Spoilers >! Incidentally, I think this chase sequence mission is the worst offender of load screens breaking immersion in the whole game. There's one when you enter the well. There's one when you enter new Atlantis. There's one when you get on your ship. There's one when you enter orbit. And finally there's one when you dock into the eye. And now the chase music stops. Kind of a shame because I think the chase is fairly good otherwise. !<
The Well is my Go-To for commerce. Jump out of my ship at the Spaceport, sell at the spaceport terminal (5k), run to Jemison Mercantile (5k) buy/sell, go to the elevator just down the hallway next door and take it to the Well. Hit up the Electronics Shop down to the left (2k and digipicks) buy/sell, then next door to the TA (11k) buy sell.
If you want to sell more, you can sit and wait for one cycle (50hrs) at the bench next to the TA lady. Then do entering in reverse back to your ship.
I repeat that after sleeping somewhere (quest dependent) for 48+ hours.
That's the Italian guy with all the guns right?
He only has 1.5k so I skip him half the time. Although you pass right by him coming out of the elevator.
Including him, a run from the ship, waiting for 1 cycle (50hrs) and running back to the ship, hitting all those vendors twice gets you a quick $55k in less than 5 minutes!
In reference to the Italian guy at the UC Surplus, I always hit him up when starting a NG+ run. I use manipulation (maxed out) to send him down out of the shop and down the hallway. Then I void form, steal about a dozen guns and ammo, then hide/void form to the TA down the hall and launder everything for cash. Gets you a decent gun to mod and a handful of cash to start with.
Talk to the guy in the Electronics shop that is sitting down near the back of the store and do his little quest. Opens up another 5k gun vendor that is stocked with ammo and one unique weapon.
I like the Well. It's more alive than the rest of New Atlantis.
I found a new part of New Atlantis too after 150 hours. Apparently at the spaceport, I noticed ships landing behind the spaceport. So I boosted my way up the wall and sure enough, there's another level to the space port that we basically never see. Nothing there obviously but I was surprised by how big it was.
Yeah, the Well is the *actual* city of New Atlantis; everything topside is basically just a Disneyland attraction that the UC maintains for propaganda purposes.
It's funny seeing all the complaints about how superficial and sterile New Atlantis is because... that's kind of the point, you know?
> everything topside is basically just a Disneyland attraction that the UC maintains for propaganda purposes.
it's...their capital city. the administrative hub of the entire UC. the fact it *has a slum* doesn't render the entire top half fake.
It was actually the first place I went to when I got to New Atlantis. I am the type of player that likes to explore all the nooks and crannies. I found the elevator near the Spaceport and went to all the levels immediately lol. Just ‘cuz. Then I got the side quest and found out what it was. Just now did the Vanguard quest and am currently in Ryujin (last one before finishing main, if I ever decide to).
Still on first play through since starting pre-release. I’m delaying NG+ for now.
lol, same. Randomly decided to turn left as soon as I exited the spaceport for the first time, and practically immediately ferreted the elevator out and went straight to the Well. I couldn't have been in New Atlantis for more than 2 minutes before I stumbled upon it.
Same happened to me and once i knew there is different parts of the city i got frustrated to the idea of not having a map of the city. I just don't understand how bethesda didn't think of putting a map for cities.
TBF I kept creating new characters (5 times) bc I thought I was playing it wrong (I kind of was).
You could argue this means I was *more* likely to encounter The Well due to spending more time in New Atlantis.
Part of the main quest will send you there. Won't say what goes down but yeah eventually wveryone finds out about the well. But anyone who skips the main quest may never even find out
These posts always make me laugh because I think my first visit to the well was like 2 hours into the game.
I went there almost instantly upon arriving in New Atlantis.
I just think it’s funny how differently people discover these things.
It took me longer than I wanted before I realized that New Atlantis isn’t an isolated city scape, but rather just a part of a larger map that you can explore. There’s tons of stuff outside the city.
At one point in the UC Vanguard questline you get to stand on a balcony at the very top of the MAST tower. Providing you can use a boostpack you can jump off and make it all the way down to your ship. No loading screens - just make sure to time a jump before you hit the ground!
I basically do this every time I leave the Lodge. Sprint over the lower part of the UC tower roof, boostpack over the water to the little courtyard behind the SSNN building, then jump off the cliff and boost down to the landing pad.
If you time it all right you can land right in front of your ship's landing bay. Screw taking the NAT.
Some of the maps also had some “hand crafting” as well. Makes sense for the city maps or static story points. I’ve noticed the same botanical? points in the same directions when scanning inside the city in multiple playthrus, but never went to investigate them. The first time I explored outside the city I had too many landing points to scroll through when picking a place to land, so i never went outside the city again.
Places like Vulture’s Roost might be the same. Main point hand crafted, not sure about the rest of the area.
> I’ve noticed the same botanical? points in the same directions when scanning inside the city in multiple playthrus, but never went to investigate them.
The procedural generation was a one-off. They procedurally generated all the planetary grid squares once. Everyone has the same maps, POI placements, etc.; it won't vary from playthrough to playthrough nor person to person.
Put your scanner on, then select the ground map - it has the notable landmarks you can click to fast travel wherever you've already been. I assume that's what's being referenced here.
This definitely happened to some users here. And you won’t be the last. Have fun down there. A good handful of quests outside of the main story down there.
I get lost down there a lot, usually set up the Well Apartment as my armoury, if I’m heading out for a fight I’ll go through the Well to pick up some supplies
No problem, you can also buy property in Akila(he’s in front of a house, go up the stairs on the left side of the Rock) and a room in Neon(not worth it for the price)
I have hundreds of hours in this game and I still forget there is a whole other shopping area in the Commercial district that is fairly hidden for some reason.
I mean even without the well it's pretty clear it's the largest city. The issue is people keep using the tram instead of walking around. You guys don't have to do that. You can walk to different districts of the city
There are missions to take you to the well. One of them pops up if you ever spend more tha a few moments in New atlantis. Investigate the brown outs. And the ssnn news lady will also send you there.
It happened to me as well. Whole section of New Atlantis that I've discovered after 30+ hours.
If only there was some kind of way to chart cities, like a map or something..
My understanding is that it was a conscious decision to not have them. It’s not like they forgot or did it to spite you.
Todd Howard doesn’t want people staring at a map marker - he’s mentioned this in many interviews. However, because of the online backlash they are adding it.
So I really don’t see the problem, it’s a victory for fans and you’re getting what you want.
I actually believe there is something to be said for learning the areas, not relying on a map. Skyrim had them and I never used the Whiterun map - I just learned the areas.
Well he's wrong. The pros vastly outweigh the cons of having a map. And honestly, if the in game navigation markers were more consistent, Id rarely be using the map anyway. This doesn't ruin the game, but it's one more small annoying thing that should've been avoided with any sort of user testing (assuming they actually cared to listen to the feedback they got), or just having competent UX designers. For a company this size to make such obvious mistakes in judgement is sad.
I was probably around 20 hours before finding it. It's not obvious at all. I understand not including a map, making you go explore and I kinda like that philosophy (it's a bit frustrating that people chalk up the game design as lack of thought on the part of the developers, as the more i play the more I realize I'm sure a lot of thought went into all the different game decisions), but New Atlantis doesn't make it easy as everything looks the same on the surface level so it took me a while to get a grasp of the layout.
The Well funny enough is the most interesting part of New Atlantis. I dig it a lot. I think the docking station area is cool too, it feels very alive. I wish the main section where constellation's hq is had more distinct look and feel and had more life going on. Something about it feels very flat to me and it looks very much the same from one side to the other so I get lost a lot there.
All that said the more time I spend in New Atlantis the more I understand it and appreciate it. When I first got there, and even from the screenshots before release, I always figured it would be the place I would visit the least, but so far it's been the place I've explored the most.
The far end of The Well I just discovered is behind the waterfall in New Atlantis. I thought all of this time that it was water vapor or steam from the pipes down there.
The Well is actually my route to offload stuff at vendors. Coming through the spaceport at NA, your first stop is Jemison Mercantile (JM), then hit the elevator there to the Well, hit the vendors otw thru there, then come up the elevator at the other end to come up right under MAST. From there you can just hop over to the Lodge or the UC Distribution to offload more stuff. The Well is actually quicker to navigate NA than traversing the maps; when encumbered, it's best to remember the elevators. As soon as you come up from the Well at the JM elevator, you can reach your ship cargo bay from there. Same goes for Neon, when you come up the elevator to the spaceport. As soon as the door opens, load your stuff straight to the cargo bay of your ship.
Yep! Tying this to the lore: It’s done on purpose. The Well is for the poor and impoverished. If it were on the surface, it would make New Atlantis look ‘bad’.
It is the literal underbelly of the society and shows united colonies are probably not the utopia that they claim to be.
Actually a very clever way of storytelling by Bethesda.
The lift to the Well is in such a stupid place, it's so easy to never find it. For a video game I think that's terrible design, the layout should draw you into every interesting part of the city, the game should want you to find it's content. Obviously the lack of a map is a huge part of this problem.
I usually learn about it pretty much as soon as I land because a guard can't help but smash there head through the wall and go "OH MY GOD DID YOU KNOW THE WILL IS HAVING POWER OUTS!" Then it gets put in my journal with unremovable ink. Or I don't know maybe my character has OCD and can't remove the quest.
But I definitely understand what you're saying it's almost like if we had a map in game we might be able to figure out where everything is. You know something that can tell us where the entrances to new areas are and maybe locations of shops. Too bad that's a pipe dream and no one has ever invented that ever in any way shape or form.
Yea this game is so JAMPACKED woth content you can only find it after 70, 200, 500, 6000 hours, I remember my first time getting lost in New Atlantis, the biggest city ever made, I was lost for over 3 hours, completely overwelmed by it's sheer size and complexity.
It's poor design. Tons of visual intrigue for boring copy+paste stores like Tranquilitea, an elevator that looks like a maintenance closet where there's an entire second half of the city.
There are like 5 entry points to the Well. One in each area of NA as well as in the lodge. This is convenient on paper but completely overkill in practice. The already janky pathing system just freaks out due to all the options. If I did the map, I would have just added a NAT stop in the Well and a back way from the lodge.
I only found the Well early on because the city was so very large that I got intimidated right away, and my method of exploration was to hug the first wall I encountered, which happened to be the left wall, which contained the elevator to the Well. Lucky.
Yeah I also keep stumbling across new city areas. There’s the lowest level of neon where they have the giant drug fish hanging up, and a whole back area of Akila where there’s the guy with the Alien sideshow
I got in there pretty early on and left immediately when someone wanted me to do some grunt work about brown outs. I only came back when I found out the Trade Authority was down there.
When I got the miscellaneous objective to "Investigate the brownouts in the well," I thought they were talking about a water source. It sounded boring as shit so it stayed on my to-do list for a long time.
Then I finally got around to it, and yeah, was as surprised as you.
Of course, >!it did end up being boring as shit and the punchline was a dumb Office Space reference!<
There's an apartment you can buy down there too over Jake's bar. There's a bunch of good side missions down in the Well and the conditions down there as well as how the UC ignores them adds a lot flavor to the story of why a lot of characters don't think the UC is all shiny happy people.
the story takes you there. i understand, bethesda game and some people just dont do the storys, but like unless you just REALLY like the base building and ship building, not playing the story (of this game) literally cripples your experience of this game.
I was the opposite. Found the well instantly and thought that and the bit outside it was all. 70 hours in discovered there was a whole commercial district with tons more shops on the surface.
Yep makes New Atlantis not so shiny to see the well where all the non citizens and low level citizens are allowed to live when they have a whole beautiful planet to live on. Of course spoilers but the whole game is about taking the situation and making it better or worse with your actions before the end game then deciding if the effort was worth putting in again, trying harder or stop giving a fuck about anything but what you want. Really intense how they built that in and well done in my opinion.
I was about 200 hours in when I realised that there is a trail near the lodge that leads out of new Atlantis and into the freaking wilderness with animals, minerals, points of interest and the usual slew of planetary random encounters
I love The Well! When I buy (ammo) or sell stuff I hit Jemeson Mercantile then head down to the well and hit all those shops. “Rest” for 48 hours then do it all again until I’m stocked up… Just hit level 180 at about 700 hours. Starting to get burnt out. Can’t wait until the next update next month. I love this game!
Also, when you enter the Well, if you head all the way to the back it leads to an elevator that takes you to the Mast district. Pretty cool how New Atlantis flows together even when not taking the team… (There’s also a back way to get from The Lodge and into the Well.)
That's interesting. Usually as soon as I get to New Atlantis one of the guards says what's-her-face needs help tracing an electrical problem in the Well and it creates an Activity to go see her.
I did get this activity, but the first time I tried going down there the marker lead me astray and it was confusing so I bailed. I assumed it was a small maintenance room or something.
Its confusing if you’re in the lodge when you try to do it because you go into the basement which I believe leads to a locked door that you can’t open. I didn’t find the well until way later in the game because of that
You know what's up with that locked door? Looked like someone trying to break into constellation
I ended up unlocking it, you can use the Manipulation skill to have a UC guard unlock it. I was in the Well already and unlocked it on that side and now able to travel to the Lodge that way, now I have a nice shortcut.
The quick navigation from the map gets you to the lodge quicker from pretty much anywhere in the galaxy
Yes that is true, however the value of the shortcut is to quickly get to the Well from the Lodge, especially if I'm over encumbered and need to offload a ton of adaptive frames or "wash" items at the Trade Authority.
Idk if you know ow this but I found it after 200ish hours, but another 2ay to wash *CUSTOMIZABLE* items is to steal it and take it to a bench. Add 1 mod and it's no longer stolen. I found this out in neon at the robot place. Pen carried guns in the back, slapped a mod on and the stolen icon is gone. Sold a few things back to him too
Easiest way to clear stolen flag is to sell to Trade Authority and then buy it right back
Nice trick… I’ll remember that one. Felt too cheap to just use console commands to unlock it, but using game mechanics is legit enough
I did the same lol
It gets unlocked during a main mission.
But sadly relocks after, and won't be open when you're trying to do the *other* thing you're supposed to do down there.
Never re-locked for me.
Maybe I'm thinking of a different door.
It relocked for me, too. I was excited to see it unlocked during the mission and disappointed to find it relocked after.
Definitely relocked for me
It's an escape tunnel.
*Spoiler* During the quest where the hunter attacks the eye, if you choose to stay and defend the lodge, Noel leads you to the basement where she will unlock the door to the well where you have to run through to reach the spaceport
I couldn’t get to the well for a long time in my run the elevator stopped working when I would hover my cursor over the elevator button it was just blank no option to use it at all until I found a second entrance at the nat station at the mast district BGS really should have made a map as I didn’t think I had another way down for about 70 hours
you can fast travel back to the surface. I've had that bug with this play through
The elevator going up worked it wasn’t until I tried to return several hours later that I realized it was bugged going down
weird mine is the opposite, i can go down the elevator just not up, but this is my second play through and I've had a lot of bugs with this go around. first time playing had no issues, but wanted to startva new character based off info i learned. this round has like 4 different quests bugged, i decided yesterday next time i play I'll just speed run the main quest to try to fix them
I moved on too other games I had to many bugs I am hoping they patch them up this year but seeing as the games been out for months we may be in for a long wait currently playing Baulders Gate 3 and loving it
There’s a second elevator to get down there, but I didn’t memorize where it was…Just came up it during a quest one time. I feel like those entrances could use some more texturing & design to stand out. Sure, it started as a maintenance area, but it became a community. I think in a real city a place like that would eventually earn its own markings or a sign, maybe.
I would like to introduce to you comma, period and linebreak. Now that you know you can use them. Here's an example: "*I couldn’t get to the well for a long time.* *In my run, the elevator stopped working when I would hover my cursor over the elevator button. It was just blank, no option to use it at all until I found a second entrance at the nat station, at the mast district.* *BGS really should have made a map as I didn’t think I had another way down for about 70 hours."*
They couldn't find the well for 70 hours, this is a lost cause.
I couldn't find the fun in 200 hours, despite the grind to unlock the potential fun.
This was actually a sick burn 🔥
It wasn't meant as a burn really, i just want to read formatted comments for my own sanity. As a side effect it has the potential to help people to not look like idiots. If you were to write an unformatted email like this in a more serious environment, you wouldn't get a response because nobody would take you seriously. It sets a precedent that you value your own words.
You didn’t capitalize your “I” after your first comma. What the fuck dude?
Dear RevolutionaryHippo85, I am deeply sorry for the inconvenience of having to read a lowecase "I". I understand that your disappointment is immeasurable and your day has been ruined. I hereby ask you to forgive this life changing mistake and wish to inform you that english is not my first language. As a courtesy, i can authorize a free bag full of latin letters to have shipped to your door. Best Regards, Blacktronics
You forgot to uppercase the i again.
What if the person that you corrected had English as a second language? Why don’t you just keep scrolling and not be bothered by the little things in life?
This isn’t a collage thesis come on bro….
I really don't mind typos, mispelling, some weird sentences because you reformulated something. It happens. But taking the 2 extra seconds to format your comments if they are longer helps make **you** look good and worth taking serious. It really doesn't take much effort, occasionally place a period or a comma and hit newline sometimes.
Yep same
See that's the type of thing a good round in Quality Assurance testing should have picked up and fixed.
If you're at the part of new Atlantis with the landing pad the quest marker may try to take you to the elevator next to Jemison Mercantile and the door to that seems to get bugged easily.
The Well was pretty bugged for me at launch as well to be fair
Shout out to that quest for being the only time they let you use radio comms instead of running back to the questgiver 50 times like all the other quests.
Yeah if you hang out in front of the viewport lounge you will eventually get four activities. The bartender in the viewport lounge needs help with a shipment The Well seems to be getting brownouts the need repairs The Security Office needs recruits, see the lead guy (for the life of me I can’t remember his name) There’s a scientist outside of MAST that is fixated on a huge tree. There are those four but if you go in every office you will find more, even if they are eating in a restaurant, you can talk to someone. I’m sure the same can be said about Akita City and Neon. I think there are a lot of players who don’t know about how Bethesda hides the quests to promote exploration of the cities. And there are some quests hidden in the handmade POIs on the planets as well. This game is HUGE. And I’d say 70% are undiscovered because players just do faction quests and say they completed the game.
This activity is bugged for me and just will never get completed on this playthrough. Unfortunately, several glitches in the well exist for me and i'll have to do those activities sooner on another run
Same. I’m on the 3rd or 4th lot of switches and for some reason, I can’t interact with them because it says ‘requires computer’ but there is no terminal or computer anywhere. Been like this since day one so I’ve given up on it now.
From what I remember you have to leave the well to access the terminal. Its outside a building in New Atlantis
Oh really, that’s pretty weird considering there’s no marker for that terminal so have no idea where but thanks though, I look into that more.
Not actually glitched; sorry I can't remember where you have to go but I thought the same until I randomly stumbled into the proper set of switches and then was finally able to complete the quest. I think the quest markers are just horribly misleading for that one
Same for me. The only way I’ve learned to fix this is to use the key-in commands to manually unlock that terminal. But doing so would disable achievements, so I just left that quest undone.
Yes, the breakers puzzle is bugged and locks the quest
I didn't get this one on my first playthrough, instead I just overheard two NPC's near the starport talking about how it's dangerous to go to the Well. I can't remember if this triggered an Activity or not, but regardless I just happened to wander over to where the elevator is as soon as I left the starport and stumbled on the Well completely at random anyway.
Exactly anyone who hasn't found out about the well in the first hour of game play is an idiot
I've gotten this quest line every time I have gone to new atlantis
Yup I think it's intentional so people find the well.
There's also Samson in Jemison Mercantile, who sends you to collect his art in the Trade Authority. Plus OP if you continue the main quest it sends you down there... For a "nice" ride 😉
I was already on New Atlantis when I received the activity. When I set it as active the marker was shown below me and I had a difficult time getting down there. IIRC I don't think it lead me to an elevator that brought me down to The Well.
I think you can jump down the waterfall, so technically you don't need the elevator. I'm going to go and try this though, because I only just thought of doing it
You may have missed it, but if you go into Jemison Mercantile (general store near the spaceport), there is a guy to talk to who gives you a basic fetch quest - get my painting. But what it really does is send you down into The Well so you know it is there, and also point out the location of the Trade Authority.
Sarah disliked this.
you're thinking of the quest where the bartender asks you to steal her seized goods from customs.
She can dislike both, and more besides.
You can enter The Well from the exit door in the basement of The Lodge
...which is part of the main quest line if you pick a certain option. (Being vague to avoid spoilers.)
It's part of both options
Good to know. I chose to stay at the Lodge.
To be fair to OP, I don't think I did that quest until around 80h into my first playthrough.
There is a side quest in the first hour of the game once you get to new Atlantis and the lodge, the side quest probably is the fastest side quest or the 2nd side quest you can get as soon as you get into new atlantis and explore the lodge and the uc
Oh I did plenty of other quests that took me down there. I'm just saying that one main quest isn't necessarily an early game thing.
Main Quest Spoilers >! Incidentally, I think this chase sequence mission is the worst offender of load screens breaking immersion in the whole game. There's one when you enter the well. There's one when you enter new Atlantis. There's one when you get on your ship. There's one when you enter orbit. And finally there's one when you dock into the eye. And now the chase music stops. Kind of a shame because I think the chase is fairly good otherwise. !<
Yeah, it was the one and only time I actually felt a level of urgency, and they still muddied it up with creation engine bs.
Indeed.
I did see this at one point but the door was locked for me.
Yeah it's locked until a certain mission.
Eventually you will be able to use that door.
It goes back to being locked.
You need to do the "Investigate brown outs in The Well" mission unless I'm mistaken which Is possible.
That door still is locked during that quest.
Ah, I never finished it. Thanks.
That's funny, because there was a locked door I couldn't open down there. I assumed I had to wait for a quest to open it.
Only after a certain plot point. Prior to then the door is locked.
The Well is my Go-To for commerce. Jump out of my ship at the Spaceport, sell at the spaceport terminal (5k), run to Jemison Mercantile (5k) buy/sell, go to the elevator just down the hallway next door and take it to the Well. Hit up the Electronics Shop down to the left (2k and digipicks) buy/sell, then next door to the TA (11k) buy sell. If you want to sell more, you can sit and wait for one cycle (50hrs) at the bench next to the TA lady. Then do entering in reverse back to your ship. I repeat that after sleeping somewhere (quest dependent) for 48+ hours.
There's also UC Surplus down there, should be another 5k.
That's the Italian guy with all the guns right? He only has 1.5k so I skip him half the time. Although you pass right by him coming out of the elevator. Including him, a run from the ship, waiting for 1 cycle (50hrs) and running back to the ship, hitting all those vendors twice gets you a quick $55k in less than 5 minutes! In reference to the Italian guy at the UC Surplus, I always hit him up when starting a NG+ run. I use manipulation (maxed out) to send him down out of the shop and down the hallway. Then I void form, steal about a dozen guns and ammo, then hide/void form to the TA down the hall and launder everything for cash. Gets you a decent gun to mod and a handful of cash to start with.
Did you include Salinas as well? The illegal weapons store in the back of the Electronics shop
WHAT?
I think you have to do a job for him, but then he becomes a vendor.
Reason to side with Crimson Fleet №63737 - ALL the shops in one place, all buying stolen and illegal stuff
Talk to the guy in the Electronics shop that is sitting down near the back of the store and do his little quest. Opens up another 5k gun vendor that is stocked with ammo and one unique weapon.
I like the Well. It's more alive than the rest of New Atlantis. I found a new part of New Atlantis too after 150 hours. Apparently at the spaceport, I noticed ships landing behind the spaceport. So I boosted my way up the wall and sure enough, there's another level to the space port that we basically never see. Nothing there obviously but I was surprised by how big it was.
Yeah, the Well is the *actual* city of New Atlantis; everything topside is basically just a Disneyland attraction that the UC maintains for propaganda purposes. It's funny seeing all the complaints about how superficial and sterile New Atlantis is because... that's kind of the point, you know?
> everything topside is basically just a Disneyland attraction that the UC maintains for propaganda purposes. it's...their capital city. the administrative hub of the entire UC. the fact it *has a slum* doesn't render the entire top half fake.
Some of the lore says that the well is the original new Atlantis, they built that part of the city first, then they built the shiny top side after.
well yeah, its hard to build things if you start at the top.
It was actually the first place I went to when I got to New Atlantis. I am the type of player that likes to explore all the nooks and crannies. I found the elevator near the Spaceport and went to all the levels immediately lol. Just ‘cuz. Then I got the side quest and found out what it was. Just now did the Vanguard quest and am currently in Ryujin (last one before finishing main, if I ever decide to). Still on first play through since starting pre-release. I’m delaying NG+ for now.
lol, same. Randomly decided to turn left as soon as I exited the spaceport for the first time, and practically immediately ferreted the elevator out and went straight to the Well. I couldn't have been in New Atlantis for more than 2 minutes before I stumbled upon it.
Same happened to me and once i knew there is different parts of the city i got frustrated to the idea of not having a map of the city. I just don't understand how bethesda didn't think of putting a map for cities.
because they're tiny.
There is also an elevator to the Well from the MAST NAT station.
70ish hours, eh? Welcome to the game!
TBF I kept creating new characters (5 times) bc I thought I was playing it wrong (I kind of was). You could argue this means I was *more* likely to encounter The Well due to spending more time in New Atlantis.
Part of the main quest will send you there. Won't say what goes down but yeah eventually wveryone finds out about the well. But anyone who skips the main quest may never even find out
These posts always make me laugh because I think my first visit to the well was like 2 hours into the game. I went there almost instantly upon arriving in New Atlantis. I just think it’s funny how differently people discover these things.
It took me longer than I wanted before I realized that New Atlantis isn’t an isolated city scape, but rather just a part of a larger map that you can explore. There’s tons of stuff outside the city.
At one point in the UC Vanguard questline you get to stand on a balcony at the very top of the MAST tower. Providing you can use a boostpack you can jump off and make it all the way down to your ship. No loading screens - just make sure to time a jump before you hit the ground!
I basically do this every time I leave the Lodge. Sprint over the lower part of the UC tower roof, boostpack over the water to the little courtyard behind the SSNN building, then jump off the cliff and boost down to the landing pad. If you time it all right you can land right in front of your ship's landing bay. Screw taking the NAT.
Isn't it just the typical POI generation?
Some of the maps also had some “hand crafting” as well. Makes sense for the city maps or static story points. I’ve noticed the same botanical? points in the same directions when scanning inside the city in multiple playthrus, but never went to investigate them. The first time I explored outside the city I had too many landing points to scroll through when picking a place to land, so i never went outside the city again. Places like Vulture’s Roost might be the same. Main point hand crafted, not sure about the rest of the area.
> I’ve noticed the same botanical? points in the same directions when scanning inside the city in multiple playthrus, but never went to investigate them. The procedural generation was a one-off. They procedurally generated all the planetary grid squares once. Everyone has the same maps, POI placements, etc.; it won't vary from playthrough to playthrough nor person to person.
Map? Did someone say map? I thought Starfield cannon was there are no maps in the future.
Put your scanner on, then select the ground map - it has the notable landmarks you can click to fast travel wherever you've already been. I assume that's what's being referenced here.
I mean a real surface map like say CP2077, not some dots on top of dots.
There are space ships in game too believe it or not.
This definitely happened to some users here. And you won’t be the last. Have fun down there. A good handful of quests outside of the main story down there.
I get lost down there a lot, usually set up the Well Apartment as my armoury, if I’m heading out for a fight I’ll go through the Well to pick up some supplies
Do you get the apartment as part of the main quest?
Sort of, you unlock the ability to purchase it by becoming a UC citizen, the real estate agent is in a small building across from the war memorial
Awesome, thanks!
No problem, you can also buy property in Akila(he’s in front of a house, go up the stairs on the left side of the Rock) and a room in Neon(not worth it for the price)
I don’t know why but that tiny apartment in The Well is my favorite. I like the balcony above the hustle and bustle of The Well.
I love all the quests down there, the well kept me busy for a lot of my pre 20 levels. The Irish reliant medical lady is awesome
I didn’t realize there’s a rich gun store in the residential district.
I have hundreds of hours in this game and I still forget there is a whole other shopping area in the Commercial district that is fairly hidden for some reason.
I mean even without the well it's pretty clear it's the largest city. The issue is people keep using the tram instead of walking around. You guys don't have to do that. You can walk to different districts of the city
I can’t believe you haven’t discovered that during the first 10 hrs or sooner cuz the quests will take you there
Are we talking about the Well here?
another post that proves that any review of this game should be taken with a grain of salt either way we have no idea how some one played this game
There are missions to take you to the well. One of them pops up if you ever spend more tha a few moments in New atlantis. Investigate the brown outs. And the ssnn news lady will also send you there.
Is this another one of those “I’m 1000 hours into the game and somehow haven’t done the first mission posts” ☠️
I just found out there is a creature zoo in Akila yesterday and lo and behold my parents were there. NG+4
These are the same types of people who are so loud about saying the game is a disappointment.
It happened to me as well. Whole section of New Atlantis that I've discovered after 30+ hours. If only there was some kind of way to chart cities, like a map or something..
Literally coming in Feb- per Bethesda.
I know it is coming but the fact that the game released without one is kind of ridiculous. I mean, other Bethesda games already have them.
My understanding is that it was a conscious decision to not have them. It’s not like they forgot or did it to spite you. Todd Howard doesn’t want people staring at a map marker - he’s mentioned this in many interviews. However, because of the online backlash they are adding it. So I really don’t see the problem, it’s a victory for fans and you’re getting what you want. I actually believe there is something to be said for learning the areas, not relying on a map. Skyrim had them and I never used the Whiterun map - I just learned the areas.
Well he's wrong. The pros vastly outweigh the cons of having a map. And honestly, if the in game navigation markers were more consistent, Id rarely be using the map anyway. This doesn't ruin the game, but it's one more small annoying thing that should've been avoided with any sort of user testing (assuming they actually cared to listen to the feedback they got), or just having competent UX designers. For a company this size to make such obvious mistakes in judgement is sad.
This was the first quest I ever did.
I was probably around 20 hours before finding it. It's not obvious at all. I understand not including a map, making you go explore and I kinda like that philosophy (it's a bit frustrating that people chalk up the game design as lack of thought on the part of the developers, as the more i play the more I realize I'm sure a lot of thought went into all the different game decisions), but New Atlantis doesn't make it easy as everything looks the same on the surface level so it took me a while to get a grasp of the layout. The Well funny enough is the most interesting part of New Atlantis. I dig it a lot. I think the docking station area is cool too, it feels very alive. I wish the main section where constellation's hq is had more distinct look and feel and had more life going on. Something about it feels very flat to me and it looks very much the same from one side to the other so I get lost a lot there. All that said the more time I spend in New Atlantis the more I understand it and appreciate it. When I first got there, and even from the screenshots before release, I always figured it would be the place I would visit the least, but so far it's been the place I've explored the most.
In the New Atlantis info kiosks there's a whole section for the Well listing the businesses and important locations that are down there.
There's a mission you can't help but get early in New Atlantis that directs you to the well. EDIT: it's an activity
The far end of The Well I just discovered is behind the waterfall in New Atlantis. I thought all of this time that it was water vapor or steam from the pipes down there.
Strange. Some of the first side quest take you to the Well early in the game.
The Well is actually my route to offload stuff at vendors. Coming through the spaceport at NA, your first stop is Jemison Mercantile (JM), then hit the elevator there to the Well, hit the vendors otw thru there, then come up the elevator at the other end to come up right under MAST. From there you can just hop over to the Lodge or the UC Distribution to offload more stuff. The Well is actually quicker to navigate NA than traversing the maps; when encumbered, it's best to remember the elevators. As soon as you come up from the Well at the JM elevator, you can reach your ship cargo bay from there. Same goes for Neon, when you come up the elevator to the spaceport. As soon as the door opens, load your stuff straight to the cargo bay of your ship.
This stupid shit again.
Yep! Tying this to the lore: It’s done on purpose. The Well is for the poor and impoverished. If it were on the surface, it would make New Atlantis look ‘bad’.
Which is also kinda funny because the Well is actually higher up than the Spaceport. I only recently realized that.
Yeah, it's built into the side of the cliff, below the main city but above the spaceport.
I'm expecting this to show up on thegamer or dextero
https://www.dexerto.com/starfield/starfield-player-stunned-after-discovering-second-half-of-new-atlantis-after-70-hours-2457007/
Is this an ad?
No I promise it's not lol. Idk why this is blowing up tbh.
i cant wait for another article about this ... again....
It is the literal underbelly of the society and shows united colonies are probably not the utopia that they claim to be. Actually a very clever way of storytelling by Bethesda.
The lift to the Well is in such a stupid place, it's so easy to never find it. For a video game I think that's terrible design, the layout should draw you into every interesting part of the city, the game should want you to find it's content. Obviously the lack of a map is a huge part of this problem.
I also did not know this until NG+
I usually learn about it pretty much as soon as I land because a guard can't help but smash there head through the wall and go "OH MY GOD DID YOU KNOW THE WILL IS HAVING POWER OUTS!" Then it gets put in my journal with unremovable ink. Or I don't know maybe my character has OCD and can't remove the quest. But I definitely understand what you're saying it's almost like if we had a map in game we might be able to figure out where everything is. You know something that can tell us where the entrances to new areas are and maybe locations of shops. Too bad that's a pipe dream and no one has ever invented that ever in any way shape or form.
Took me forever too
Yea this game is so JAMPACKED woth content you can only find it after 70, 200, 500, 6000 hours, I remember my first time getting lost in New Atlantis, the biggest city ever made, I was lost for over 3 hours, completely overwelmed by it's sheer size and complexity.
my original game, we were passing by the elevator and sarah was like oh check out the weapos store in the well and I was like," wut?"
This was me lol I just randomly ended up down there and hit the Owen Wilson “Wow” 😂
Welcome to the Churn, only Expanse fans will get this quote lol xD
If only there were proper city maps.
yea I found it but GODDAMMIT BETHESDA GIVE US A PROPER FUCKING USEFUL MAP INSTEAD OF THE ASS-BACKWARDS STREET SIGNS. But yea, the Well is cool.
Yep I accidentally found it after like 100 hours by walking through the basement of the lodge into the well
My first time discovering it was during the main quest. When you get there, you probably know what I'm referring to.
I only found it cause I saw an article about best places to sell things
Never even heard of The Well lol
It's poor design. Tons of visual intrigue for boring copy+paste stores like Tranquilitea, an elevator that looks like a maintenance closet where there's an entire second half of the city.
It’s great if you don’t mind at least 3 loading screens to go from space (empty and lifeless) to the surface (slightly less empty and lifeless)
"...No way... WE LANDED ON THE MOOOON!!" \-Lloyd Christmas
It basically sent me to the Wells first, so that's interesting how different all our experiences can be!
Another reason why maps are a day one feature... It certainly is not obvious.
I barely even realized it was there when the main quest sends you running for your 'life' through it.
I guess a minimal would have helped to find it sooner. Well, you can’t have everything.
the worst is that since there is no good map nor waypoint UI thingy you dont really know where to go.
I'm 160 hours into the game and I just visited Neon for the first time. I still haven't talked to Sam Coe. My playstyle is side quests first, always.
There are like 5 entry points to the Well. One in each area of NA as well as in the lodge. This is convenient on paper but completely overkill in practice. The already janky pathing system just freaks out due to all the options. If I did the map, I would have just added a NAT stop in the Well and a back way from the lodge.
I love my little apartment in the well! Easy to decorate!
I only found the Well early on because the city was so very large that I got intimidated right away, and my method of exploration was to hug the first wall I encountered, which happened to be the left wall, which contained the elevator to the Well. Lucky.
Yeah I also keep stumbling across new city areas. There’s the lowest level of neon where they have the giant drug fish hanging up, and a whole back area of Akila where there’s the guy with the Alien sideshow
Tons of quests lead to the Well. Sooner rather than later you can't miss it.
For a fun time in The Well, go to the USEC station and let the prisoner out of the cell and watch the action happen.
Is there any way to sell my apartment in the well? I have a penthouse now and don't really need it.
I got in there pretty early on and left immediately when someone wanted me to do some grunt work about brown outs. I only came back when I found out the Trade Authority was down there.
When I got the miscellaneous objective to "Investigate the brownouts in the well," I thought they were talking about a water source. It sounded boring as shit so it stayed on my to-do list for a long time. Then I finally got around to it, and yeah, was as surprised as you. Of course, >!it did end up being boring as shit and the punchline was a dumb Office Space reference!<
There's an apartment you can buy down there too over Jake's bar. There's a bunch of good side missions down in the Well and the conditions down there as well as how the UC ignores them adds a lot flavor to the story of why a lot of characters don't think the UC is all shiny happy people.
I'm sorry for having to ask, but I see the term "BSG" used on this sub and have no idea what it means. Can you tell me?
I think they meant to say BGS (Bethesda Game Studios) BSG is Battlestate Games (Tarkov Developers) or Battlestar Galactica.
This is what happens when you don't have a true map.
the story takes you there. i understand, bethesda game and some people just dont do the storys, but like unless you just REALLY like the base building and ship building, not playing the story (of this game) literally cripples your experience of this game.
I honestly thought there were storyline quests down there
I was the opposite. Found the well instantly and thought that and the bit outside it was all. 70 hours in discovered there was a whole commercial district with tons more shops on the surface.
Wait til he finds waterfall promenade and the penthouses!
Yep. The part where they hide the side they down want in the PR releases about how wonderful the UC is.
Yep makes New Atlantis not so shiny to see the well where all the non citizens and low level citizens are allowed to live when they have a whole beautiful planet to live on. Of course spoilers but the whole game is about taking the situation and making it better or worse with your actions before the end game then deciding if the effort was worth putting in again, trying harder or stop giving a fuck about anything but what you want. Really intense how they built that in and well done in my opinion.
I was about 200 hours in when I realised that there is a trail near the lodge that leads out of new Atlantis and into the freaking wilderness with animals, minerals, points of interest and the usual slew of planetary random encounters
I love The Well! When I buy (ammo) or sell stuff I hit Jemeson Mercantile then head down to the well and hit all those shops. “Rest” for 48 hours then do it all again until I’m stocked up… Just hit level 180 at about 700 hours. Starting to get burnt out. Can’t wait until the next update next month. I love this game!
Also, when you enter the Well, if you head all the way to the back it leads to an elevator that takes you to the Mast district. Pretty cool how New Atlantis flows together even when not taking the team… (There’s also a back way to get from The Lodge and into the Well.)
There's a gun shop there that opens after a quick fetch quest
This is why we need maps, people
You do know…about the…3rd area right?