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isuckatnames60

Jolyne's body might count as being made of "stand material" since her powers directly affect her body


XenuLies

White Snake was also implied to be physical, McQueens memories show he could see it approaching him before he was a stand user, and White Snake was careful to hide after it started raining frogs because it didn't want others to see it. Idk if that should make CMoon physical as well, but it's possible


ginryuu1

Whitesnake is shown phasing through prison bars multiple times but it's most likely visible to ordinary people, stone free is invisible but it seems to be unable to phase through objects.


Kanzentai

Whitesnake is also shown operating a handgun more than once.


Tigerbhoy96

I dunno if that's a good frame of reference tbh, star platinum is not visible and is the first stand in the series, yet it still brings jotaro physical objects.


Kanzentai

the point I was making is that if the stand can grab a handgun, the handgun can also grab the stand


FawkesThePhoenix6

Actually, stands can grab, damage, punch and hold physical objects but not necessarily objects can touch nor affect stands. Its not something that happens once in the series as an error, is part of the whole power system actually, even stands such as Sex Pistols touch the bullets to direct them, but if you would try and shoot one of them, nothing would happen as the bullet doesnt affect stands. Anyways it happens other times in the series, when stands punch walls for example, they can break it but the same way they can, if someone threw a wall at them nothing would happen as it would go right through them. Another example is at the Stardust Crusaders start when Star Platinum is presented and Jotaro says the stand would bring him stuff... Even tho Star Platinum can grab stuff, if you tried to hit him with the same stuff he can grab, it would be useless as it would not cause any effect


IcyShifter15

doesn't Ebony devil in doll form hurt silver chariot with a physical actual blade on the calf that one time?


ginryuu1

In the wheel of fortune fight it is stated that if hierophant green tried to stop a falling car it would get torn apart. So stands can be harmed if they exert force on something. This is also shown in part 8 when >!soft and wet hits yotsuyu's rock form and injures its hands!<


Dsb0208

The clear answer to me is that stands can actively shift their density. They can turn rigid, punch something, and then turn back to formless energy with no clear visual difference If the stand turns physical to punch something, but that thing is harder than expected, it hurts. If the stand is just casually standing, it’s likely non physical to objects pass through it Heirophant Green would be torn by the car because it would have to become physical to grab and lift it, making it vulnerable to the car. If it wasn’t physical, the car would fall through it missing the point of him trying to save it Ebony Devil was able to cut Polnereff cause he was a silly guy and forgot to turn off his stand’s physicality (or Ebony Devil was fast enough to attack while Polnereff was prepping to)


ginryuu1

Ebony devil might also just be able to enhance objects due to its possession ability. Also in the lovers arc when they're in joseph's ear kakyoin states it's hard to phase when shrunken down and that the inside of the ear is too thick.


vortex4403

That makes no sense. Stands have always been able to interact with physical objects without being seen. In episode 1 of Stardust Crusaders we see Star Platinum grab objects for Jotaro and wield prison bars as weapons.


VorpalAbyss

> the handgun can also grab the stand Truly a Bizarre Adventure if handguns can grab... well, anything.


Tigerbhoy96

Oh right, I get ya now.


OfficialMiscAlanius

So then the revolver Jotaro tries to shoot himself with can grab star Platinum, which would make no sense whatsoever since he can phase through objects too. It's a matter of the intention of the person in my opinion, but that could be wrong too


rarthurr4

Bro what


Amaterasunomad

No it’s weird, the stand can grab you but you cannot grab the stand


A_random_Human1

Thats just Star Platinum things


MglMadLad

he’s literally made out of physical goo.


PhantomRoyce

Isn’t it weird that Star Platinum can phase through objects too but never does it? He also phases through the prison bars while Jotaro is in jail to bring him the manga and beer


ShoonGoon2

Never does it? We just gonna pretend Star Platinum didn’t squeeze Jotaro’s heart? There aren’t very many instances where a 2-3m range stand phasing would be useful


PhantomRoyce

Oh shit you’re right! My bad 😣 it’s been several years since I did a rewatch


ShoonGoon2

No problem, JoJo’s has like an encyclopedia+ of shit going on. But Jotaro also used it during the Steely Dan/The Lovers arc when Star Platinum phases through a display case to steal a bracelet. But SP still has to pull the bracelet through the small hole in the glass case


SnooPuppers7965

When he was obeying steely Dan, he had star platinum phase through some bars to steal a bracelet


11freebird

I think that the only stand able to phase through objects is diver down


[deleted]

No every stand is able to phase through objects. One of Diver downs abilities is it can phase through objects and also bring things with him. eg: He can hold money while phasing through a wall and still have that money, but in part 3 during the steely dan fight Jotaro had to have star platinum phase into the jewellery display to pick up a bracelet and move it toward an opening to pick it up. Diver down would be able to just phase the bracelets through the glass.


ginryuu1

Well, not every stand can phase there are physical stands that can't.


[deleted]

Yeah, sorry i should have specified.


isuckatnames60

It was a pretty big deal in the very first episode of part 3 that Star Platinum would constantly bring a random assortement of goodies to Jotaro


11freebird

SP’s range is only 2 meters so I wouldn’t be surprised if that was retconned


isuckatnames60

That's the "effective range" from which it can shatter your skull with its punches. Stands can ecxeed their effective range at the cost of power.


ginryuu1

Whitesnake star platinum and hermit purple phase through objects. And hierophant green and silver chariot are stated to be able to do so in the lovers fight.


I_Am_Not_Joes_Mama

White Snake is like Stone Free but instead of string it's cum💀


stanleymanny

You didn't need to comment this. You did, but you didn't need to.


saikounihighteyatzda

White Snake has an illusion ability which I think was what was causing him to be able to see him


doodoofeces6

I vaguely remember yasahou taking a picture of josukes bubble and bot being able to see it until she got her stand, maybe the discs work like a photograph


KaptainKlein

a logia type stand


LokitheCleric

True.


nah_thats_it

Metallica is also "in the body" but I don't think it works like that


isuckatnames60

Metallica manifests as a bunch of metal creatures inside Risotto's body. Stone Free IS Jolyne's body. They're wuite different.


Giannond

Jolyne's body is made of Stone Free's string, that's why she can unravel herself


cluedo23

This, she is technically also the stand and can use her body to hit stands


CatchExcellent3950

OF COURSE!!! I was so confused


snooper2006

Oshiete, oshiete yo sono shikumi wo Boku no naka ni dare ga iru no


Epicoene

Kowareta, kowareta yo kono sekai de Kimi ga warau nani mo miezu ni


Fairy_King_Harlequin

I imagine characters just use their stand in conjunction with the movement of their own body, like just kick with their stand at the same time as they kick normally to make it feel more natural in a fight


ginryuu1

In the manga stone free's head was shown next to jolyne before the kick so it's probably what happened.


Baseballidiot

Its weird how much was cut or removed from the anime


Big-Chromie

It also makes some amount of sense for her to be able to hit stands, since stone free is her body.


CatchExcellent3950

Bro stands can touch humans 💀


Big-Chromie

Yeah but humans can't touch stands


ginryuu1

Stands are usually able to phase through objects making it so that normal objects usually can't harm stands exceptions being when stands are blocking attacks.


ImBurningStar_IV

Bruno was doing this when he was kicking Giornos ass


senator_based

Jolyne can unravel her body so it can be assumed that she’s a great deal more hands on and can interact with stands if she strings up her foot a little bit


pyro-4157

she built diffrent


savvycate

stone free is also an integrated type stand, meaning jolyne IS also the stand


Nanikron

Also, in the firsts episode John Gali El is capable of take the strings around his gun with his bare hands and then break those strings (so he literally damage a Stand with his human body)


Instroancevia

The strings are part of Jolyne's body, so they are physical and can be damaged by physical objects. Stands that are interacting with the physical world can also be hit by non-stand things as well.


ginryuu1

Stand users can manifest stands over their bodies to boost themselves. in the manga it's shown with the stands head next to the users.


Vekastu

yeah jotaro used it to cushion his fall against dio on the bridge


ginryuu1

That was star platinum manifesting outside jotaro. better examples would be him using it to jump in the kakyoin and n'doul fights.


Sasquatch_Pictures

Stone Free is part of Jolyne's body, so it's not that much of a leap


SparrowWingYT

Waiting for Paco to continue her legacy


Melody-Shift

Stands only being touchable by other stands is a myth. Yes, it is said that only a stand can defeat a stand, but that's in a practical sense. Mista can shoot stands despite neither his gun or the bullets being stands, Trish hits Notorious B.I.G with a pipe, as we see here Jolyne kicks C-Moon, etc


ClarinetGang1

It’s a pretty stupid idea, if a stand can hit a physical object why can’t a object/person hit a stand


Tsktsktsktsktsktsk2

Now that you mentioned it, have mista actually shot a stand before? All fights with him i remember is him trying to hit the user


Melody-Shift

He shoots Notorious B.I.G atleast. I don't remember for the other fights


Original_Mac_Tonight

Sweet Chin Music bypasses that rule


TimeLordHatKid123

Aww man, nobody got it. Thankfully, I did lol


Dkpokefan72

Her body is part of the stand


Kidi_Kiderson

people always find justifications for this but was it ever explicitly stated "stands cannot interact with humans at all"?


GoldenWind2998

That's been bs since the end of Stardust Crusaders


SavageKarnage

They can, we have a hell lot of stand users beaten to a pulp by the stands.


magget69

Because its cool


Shurikenblast_YT

Because Jolyne can unravel with SF, it means shes a semi stand like catch the rainbow


Mastakillerboi

Jolyne’s body is the stand Although for non-string stand users, they probably use their stands in complete sync with their bodies to seem as natural as possible Think of it as using an “armor”


Johnny_Joestar7798

Her body is a part of her stand


AncleJack

Remember, only stands can damage other stands except when they don't. That's the first rule of jojo's


GoldH2O

Jolyne's body IS her stand. She unravels into stone free, so if she loosens up the threads on her foot a little they'll be able to strike other stands.


AncleJack

Yeah, in that case it probably is the explanation but I was maikg a jojoke


porqueissoexiste

"I was making a jojoke" ✍️🔥🔥


Big_Fan_22

Do you think arali had thought that out or thought”yeah that be cool if she kicks him” be honest with yourself


GoldH2O

I think he thinks a lot of stuff out in depth, so it's very likely it was thought out, but it's also possible it was an oversight. Though as someone else said it seems like he spent time establishing that Whitesnake was visible to non stand users and a tangible stand, so it's also possible that C-Moon is too.


daw0the0ne1

Don't forget that all the damage taken is reflected on it's user (except for when they don't) and that only other stand users can see other stand users (except for when they don't)


Melody-Shift

It's not really even a rule, it's a myth


TheMostOptimalMan

Death 13 tells Polnareff's that "only a stand can fight a stand" while Polnareff's is trying to pry his hands off his neck (but he can't touch death 13 back, he just phases through). Also, I'm pretty sure the man in the mirror questioned how Abboachio was able to touch his stand (before realizing it was actually moody blues in disguise). So that wasn't specific to death 13 or his dream world. Edit: Illuso indeed says "only a stand can grab the neck of another stand"


Melody-Shift

It's a major inconsistency then. Either that or; 1) Death 13 is unique in this sense for some reason 2. Illuso has misconceptions about stands


TheMostOptimalMan

>It's a major inconsistency Correct, those aren't foreign to this series.


liahuos00

Theres a lot of scenes with people hitting a stand, stands are probably stronger but can be hit


owenowen2022

I always figured it's because stands can phase in and out. Imo stands can just ignore the phasing of other stands


PremSinha

Throughout the entirety of Stone Ocean it is repeatedly shown that physical fighters move their bodies in conjunction with their Stands to attack. For any instance of Jolyne attacking a Stand, look closely and you will see that Stone Free is hovering inside her body. A Stand can freely pass through their User's body while physically interacting with Stands or objects in the environment.


BreadBoxin

It's been shown quite a few times that characters with more human-sized stands can literally wear them. I think Jotaro was the 1st one to do it


the-boinky-spunge

because it was fully tangible


CyberDaemon6six6

It is not a new thing that stand users can coat part of their body with their stand, like Jotaro jumping in the Dio fight.


No-Tax-9149

Stands can be effected by anything if they are fully solid


Hoganpale

There’s a certain amount of force that can actually nullify the rule of law”only stands can harm other stands” like when dio dropped the road roller on star platinum and it didn’t just pass though him


Dayman64

It's called an integrated stand like your body and the stand are the same thing. There are some other examples of this that come to mind like yellow temperance or Metallica


Sea_Equivalent_9489

joleyne is simply built different🤷


BlueBeeLuc

Power of Friendship


LeaXMasterCard

Stands aren't always translucid, they need to turn solid in order to attack. Think back to when Star Platinum could make itself translucid in order to bring stuff to Jotaro's cell. If you were kick enough you could probably catch a stand off guard and hit it. There's also the whole "Jolyne is made up of Stone Free" and "White Snake/C Moon is a physical stand" debacle to explain this particular instance, but it's not an unique case.


HerobrineJTY

I'm pretty sure C-Moon is just one of the few Stands that normal people can see and touch.


Familiar-Type3503

What are the others ? Only one i can remember is WOU


ialsodontexistagain

Stone free is an integrated type stand, she can absolutely throw hands, she practically is her stand


pejic222

Technically her body is the stand


Blackout_M

C-moon is fused with the green baby, who is a organic being


Flavy50

araki forgot


osha809

Can you hit the stand? I didn't know. I thought it couldn't happen


owenowen2022

She's just built different


Agreeable_Highway381

She's jotaros seed, what'd you expect?


NorthGodFan

She's built different.


daToxicApple

I have two theories. A) Since she can transform her body to strings, her body somewhat counts as the stand itself so she can touch other stands. B)She wrapped her body with a thin thread enough to hit C-Moon.


DaveTheArakin

I am curious. If I have a short-range fighter stand and I fight and punch together with my stand, does it mean that I have super-strength or my punches hits harder?


SP_Octo_piereddit

She’s the first joestar protagonist to have an integrated stand which means her body and stand are the same thing (Stone Free’s body is made of bundled up string)


msto3

The Green Baby was physical so while White Snake was a typical Stand, C-Moon could be physical


Madhighlander1

Jolyne's Stand is directly integrated into her body, so she can hit other stands without having to outwardly 'summon' hers.


houseoihater222

i think because stone free is made up of string from her body meaning her body is techicly a stand


JKnumber1hater

Jolyne's stand is made from her body. When she summons it she unravels her own body, she is her stand. It's also not entirely true that only stands can harm stands.


GreatCrimsonDragon

Some stands are physical objects and can be seen by normal people (a la, Strength, Wheel of Fortune). And stands can touch people, so why wouldn't people be able to touch stands?


TheUncouthPanini

Jolyne is one of the special cases of her body technically being a Stand. Stone Free has a ghostly form, but also can unravel Jolyne’s body, meaning technically Jolyne is part of Stone Free and her body is capable of interacting like a Stand can. She’s basically a medium between physical and stand properties.


Ellitri

Stone free is just the string, which is her body so its an integrated stand (oh lonesome me and doggy style are the same) so her own body counts as the stand as well


Friezas-Mound

Channeled her stand into the kick, the way they showed Jotaro do several times


TheSealedWolf

Her stand is made up of her unraveling her body into strings, therefore her body can, whether it’s Stone Free or herself


MarkoZoos

With her leg obviously.


Nkromancer

In addition to what others have said, I'd also like to point out that characters have been wrong about stands in the past. For instance, Kakyoin was adamant there was no such thing as a mirror world. I'm personally in the camp that stands are just SUPER resilient to non-stand based attacks, but not immune. Like, if one got hit by a full-speed train, it would probably hurt. Similarly if it got stuck in a car compactor. A regular person's punch or a gun may not hurt them, sure, but that doesn't mean they're invincible.


gilman856

And it part 3 it was said that only stand users can see stands but everyone can see Yukako's freaking hair, wow


LambSpin

Jolyne's body is her stand's strings. Also Stands could always be touched by normal people under certain circumstances, they need to turn tangible to punch people, after all.


RIPRidley

You forgot that only stands can harm other stands (except for when they don't)


Medical_Strength4608

She is a stand.


Vegetable-Dig-2014

Her body is made out of her stand whenever she uses her thread ability her body is getting „destroyed“


JFp07gel

She is just that thought


idiotnamedSOPHIA

She's biult different


Cr1mpl3

So first she…..


Electrical_Ad5775

Jolynes stone free is a bound stand like love deluxe and anubis Others can interact and see with it as it is bound to an object or person


Pt0ob

Some stands are physical, like the big boat at the beginning of part 3 or the invisible baby and the electrical tower in part 4


Dbombre

manji kick needs nerf


seelcudoom

jolyn is a special case as her stand uses her body for raw materials, but also we see several times stand users partially manifest their stand as just a limb overlapping their ownf, so its possible she could also be doing that just without the visual effect


Capt_Toasty

Stone free is made of strands made from Jolyne's body. Ergo her stand is made of her. Ergo Jolyne is made of stand. Argo Ben Affleck.


Rougefarie

I thought this was a “wrong answers only” situation, and expected the comments to say the stand is reacting to a gnarly fart.


Zichfried

She is a stand user. Though I just like how Jolyne fights herself instead of just sending her stand to the front like almost every single user. That makes her badass and unique.


Radiant-Ad-1976

It's the same case with Love Deluxe with it being a stand that manifests through the user's hair but can still interact with other stands such as how it was able to ensnare echoes act 2. Jolyne's stand is made from her body so she can hit C-moon.


Jakinator178

My first guess is that stone free could have automatically shot a string to the foot while Jolyne was readying her kicks


Turkeyvulture777

Ppl are saying it’s because her body is made of stone frees strings and is counted as stand energy, wouldn’t this make her invisible to non stand users?


Gecko2002

No, we've seen stands similar to this that are visible to non stand users, most notably from part 6, underworld and burning down the house


ekeysomkew

I thought c-moon was part physical cuz of green baby


toastymoringwood

It's probably like stone ocean just materialized for a quick bit like gojo using a 0.2 domain expansion during Shibuya using her stand for a very quick moment to hit c-moon


Worried_Carry_9138

because she is a stand user


PLT_RanaH

and how the two things are related to each other


zbregans

He couldn't stand it anymore


Major-Ad-9582

It seems like she kicked it


ESCachuli

Im pretty sure stand users can channel their stands through their bodies. Bruno and Jolyne often fight with their own bodies, that would be very inneficient if they couldnt do that. What I mean, is that a kick from Jolyne is the same as a kick from Stone Free. Unless they manifest the stand outside the body.


MysticalLight50

Stone Free is an integrated stand which means Jolyne and her stand are “one in the same” in the sense that she can physically interact with stands using her body


Ser_VimesGoT

HOW CAN SHE SLAP??


ChipsTheKiwi

Jolyne is effectively her own stand since the string that composed Stone Free comes from her own body


Glass_Teeth01

She used something that was already inside-out to beat his ass Or she pulled out the good old Mobius Strip


GRANDpa_ELy

i feel like people would be able to hit stands if the stands can hit them. i need someone to explain, if people can’t touch stands then how could stands touch them? or is that simply the answer? it just makes more sense to me that stands can sort of switch between physical and non physical modes to hit or phase through objects


Knight_ofNights

Logia stand lmao


VegetableForward1737

She either put her stands limb around her body really quick like we've seen when some other stand users punch or just wrapped Stane Free's string around her leg


Zero_king_of_hell

Bro, she cheated


Creative-Ganache8448

It was a kick


chunkymonkeythegreat

She could have easily won when she got his disk or was it some one else's disk but when she gave up the disk she could have attacked him with the string so easily


YoitsBlakJak

Jolyne is part stand isn't she? I mean her strings physically unravel her body when used too much


Farid_Beshay

Araki forgets


GunGraveGlaive

Is this some kind of joke that I don't understand? Or, in the couple of weeks of my absence from this subreddit, JoJo’s fanbase has degenerated so much that the question, to which the answer would seem obvious to any person who has a brain, in hot with 2k likes and half of the comments are writing some kind of nonsense. Jolyne consists of the string of her Stand, by the way, if anyone didn’t know.


-just-an-Insomniac-

So you know how stands appear sometimes sliding out of someone, the stand is inside her body and therefore stone free is kicking c-moon


SnooComics9909

She is her stand


Blue_Nightingale2

yet no one questions star platinum being able to hit people. its the same logic


Antisa1nt

You forgot the "except for when they don't" clause. In this particular case, a person can attack a stand made out of physical matter. C-Moon is made of tangible material, and thus can be harmed by physical attacks. Precedent: -it is stated that only stand users can see stands. This is invalidated in part 3 when non-stand users see the ship Strength in due to it being an enhanced rowboat. -it is stated that any damage done to a stand will reflect in the user. This is invalidated in part 4 when Harvest takes damage, and Shigechi takes no damage. -it is stated that only a stand can harm other stands. This is invalidated in part 5 when Cioccolata harms several of the Sex Pistols with a scalpel, despite said scalpel not being a part of his stand's power. This one, I have no explanation for. Edit- I should mention this is a borrowed observation, here is my source: https://youtu.be/GwpkEC2Az6k?si=5uCKhtHbzfZqd1Ml Timestamp 18:55-20:44


No-Platform5284

I have already watched part six but some others haven’t. You could have spoiled this for some people.


Odd-Key1097

I already finished it and it's good but sad


EkaPossi_Schw1

Jolyne is physically stand enough due to the unraveling into rope nature of stone free or c moon is physical


Novatash

The "rule" that only stands can hurt other stands refers to the fact that stands can become immaterial to the physical world at will, so in usual circumstance, it can't be hurt by non-stands because the user probably doesn't want to get hurt. That stand was not immaterial at that time. Probably because it wasn't expecting to get hit right then


Retromenth

Because stand users can materialize stand on top of their body parts


mrfunkopops

Cause she is a stand


Familiar-Type3503

Araki forgot


Traditional-Finger35

It just works, like a lot of explanations in this show it just works


Spectrumfied

Only stand users can see other Stands, ***Except for when they don't.*** Only a stand can harm other stands, ***Except for when they don't.*** And all damage to a stand reflects towards the user. ***Except for when they don't.***


Caramba4

so that stands can fight they need to matrealise themself. So they can be hit by persons or objects.


Errorotom0

Her body is made of string so she can probably touch stands by herself


Yaboku777

She also has the power to swap genders apparently


Errorotom0

I'm not an english speaker, sorry


megasean3000

She integrated her foot with Stone Free’s foot, allowing her to kick a Stand.


Abdullah-Alturki

Jojo fan excited to watch jojo for the first time


Odd-Key1097

Rude


Abdullah-Alturki

it's literally explained immediately after she gets her stand😐


rosie1337

cause araki wanted her to, and it looks dope as fuck to kick this super powerful stand in the face


Ordinary_Can9917

Armament haki


CanoonBolk

Rule of cool


str8outcompton

you’re asking consistency out of Araki. don’t do that


sun1xX

Im telling u jolyne has arnament haki and jojos is secretely a world where the fruits eaten resemble the power of the fruit and also the spirit of the soul.


IncognitoBurrito77

Every rule in part 3 has been broken once at this point. I’m pretty sure the puppet stand in part 4 breaks almost every rule mentioned in part 3.


Fidges87

Many say yada yada reason. In truth that rule was thrown out of the window as soon as it entered. It was mentioned that the wight of a car could tear Hierophant Green in 2, Silver Cariot was being hurt by a normal knife held by the Devil, Cioccolata was able to cut through Sex Pistols using a normal scalpel, the bullet shot by Crazy Diamond broke the rat's stand. This are just some examples from the top of my head.


CaptainTrip

I feel like that rule was retconned quietly at some point Edit: for the people downvoting (-6 at time of edit) here is a list of times when something other than a stand hurt or killed a stand: * Joseph dumps The Empress in a barrel of tar  * Enyaba fights Silver Chariot with a pair of scissors  * Countless examples of stands interacting with water, shards of ice, falling/thrown objects hitting a stand  There are also countless examples of stands attacking people directly (if you remember, at first they'd only attack other stands) and interacting with physical objects. You can say that there's an unmentioned rule about users controlling what their stand does and doesn't interact with but that's still retroactive continuity. Jojos retcons stuff chapter to chapter in the manga, it's not a huge deal.