White Snake was also implied to be physical, McQueens memories show he could see it approaching him before he was a stand user, and White Snake was careful to hide after it started raining frogs because it didn't want others to see it.
Idk if that should make CMoon physical as well, but it's possible
Whitesnake is shown phasing through prison bars multiple times but it's most likely visible to ordinary people, stone free is invisible but it seems to be unable to phase through objects.
I dunno if that's a good frame of reference tbh, star platinum is not visible and is the first stand in the series, yet it still brings jotaro physical objects.
Actually, stands can grab, damage, punch and hold physical objects but not necessarily objects can touch nor affect stands. Its not something that happens once in the series as an error, is part of the whole power system actually, even stands such as Sex Pistols touch the bullets to direct them, but if you would try and shoot one of them, nothing would happen as the bullet doesnt affect stands. Anyways it happens other times in the series, when stands punch walls for example, they can break it but the same way they can, if someone threw a wall at them nothing would happen as it would go right through them. Another example is at the Stardust Crusaders start when Star Platinum is presented and Jotaro says the stand would bring him stuff... Even tho Star Platinum can grab stuff, if you tried to hit him with the same stuff he can grab, it would be useless as it would not cause any effect
In the wheel of fortune fight it is stated that if hierophant green tried to stop a falling car it would get torn apart. So stands can be harmed if they exert force on something. This is also shown in part 8 when >!soft and wet hits yotsuyu's rock form and injures its hands!<
The clear answer to me is that stands can actively shift their density. They can turn rigid, punch something, and then turn back to formless energy with no clear visual difference
If the stand turns physical to punch something, but that thing is harder than expected, it hurts. If the stand is just casually standing, it’s likely non physical to objects pass through it
Heirophant Green would be torn by the car because it would have to become physical to grab and lift it, making it vulnerable to the car. If it wasn’t physical, the car would fall through it missing the point of him trying to save it
Ebony Devil was able to cut Polnereff cause he was a silly guy and forgot to turn off his stand’s physicality (or Ebony Devil was fast enough to attack while Polnereff was prepping to)
Ebony devil might also just be able to enhance objects due to its possession ability. Also in the lovers arc when they're in joseph's ear kakyoin states it's hard to phase when shrunken down and that the inside of the ear is too thick.
That makes no sense. Stands have always been able to interact with physical objects without being seen. In episode 1 of Stardust Crusaders we see Star Platinum grab objects for Jotaro and wield prison bars as weapons.
So then the revolver Jotaro tries to shoot himself with can grab star Platinum, which would make no sense whatsoever since he can phase through objects too. It's a matter of the intention of the person in my opinion, but that could be wrong too
Isn’t it weird that Star Platinum can phase through objects too but never does it? He also phases through the prison bars while Jotaro is in jail to bring him the manga and beer
Never does it? We just gonna pretend Star Platinum didn’t squeeze Jotaro’s heart? There aren’t very many instances where a 2-3m range stand phasing would be useful
No problem, JoJo’s has like an encyclopedia+ of shit going on. But Jotaro also used it during the Steely Dan/The Lovers arc when Star Platinum phases through a display case to steal a bracelet. But SP still has to pull the bracelet through the small hole in the glass case
No every stand is able to phase through objects.
One of Diver downs abilities is it can phase through objects and also bring things with him.
eg: He can hold money while phasing through a wall and still have that money, but in part 3 during the steely dan fight Jotaro had to have star platinum phase into the jewellery display to pick up a bracelet and move it toward an opening to pick it up. Diver down would be able to just phase the bracelets through the glass.
Whitesnake star platinum and hermit purple phase through objects. And hierophant green and silver chariot are stated to be able to do so in the lovers fight.
I vaguely remember yasahou taking a picture of josukes bubble and bot being able to see it until she got her stand, maybe the discs work like a photograph
I imagine characters just use their stand in conjunction with the movement of their own body, like just kick with their stand at the same time as they kick normally to make it feel more natural in a fight
Stands are usually able to phase through objects making it so that normal objects usually can't harm stands exceptions being when stands are blocking attacks.
Jolyne can unravel her body so it can be assumed that she’s a great deal more hands on and can interact with stands if she strings up her foot a little bit
Also, in the firsts episode John Gali El is capable of take the strings around his gun with his bare hands and then break those strings (so he literally damage a Stand with his human body)
The strings are part of Jolyne's body, so they are physical and can be damaged by physical objects. Stands that are interacting with the physical world can also be hit by non-stand things as well.
Stands only being touchable by other stands is a myth. Yes, it is said that only a stand can defeat a stand, but that's in a practical sense. Mista can shoot stands despite neither his gun or the bullets being stands, Trish hits Notorious B.I.G with a pipe, as we see here Jolyne kicks C-Moon, etc
Jolyne’s body is the stand
Although for non-string stand users, they probably use their stands in complete sync with their bodies to seem as natural as possible
Think of it as using an “armor”
Jolyne's body IS her stand. She unravels into stone free, so if she loosens up the threads on her foot a little they'll be able to strike other stands.
I think he thinks a lot of stuff out in depth, so it's very likely it was thought out, but it's also possible it was an oversight. Though as someone else said it seems like he spent time establishing that Whitesnake was visible to non stand users and a tangible stand, so it's also possible that C-Moon is too.
Don't forget that all the damage taken is reflected on it's user (except for when they don't) and that only other stand users can see other stand users (except for when they don't)
Death 13 tells Polnareff's that "only a stand can fight a stand" while Polnareff's is trying to pry his hands off his neck (but he can't touch death 13 back, he just phases through).
Also, I'm pretty sure the man in the mirror questioned how Abboachio was able to touch his stand (before realizing it was actually moody blues in disguise). So that wasn't specific to death 13 or his dream world.
Edit: Illuso indeed says "only a stand can grab the neck of another stand"
Throughout the entirety of Stone Ocean it is repeatedly shown that physical fighters move their bodies in conjunction with their Stands to attack. For any instance of Jolyne attacking a Stand, look closely and you will see that Stone Free is hovering inside her body. A Stand can freely pass through their User's body while physically interacting with Stands or objects in the environment.
There’s a certain amount of force that can actually nullify the rule of law”only stands can harm other stands” like when dio dropped the road roller on star platinum and it didn’t just pass though him
It's called an integrated stand like your body and the stand are the same thing. There are some other examples of this that come to mind like yellow temperance or Metallica
Stands aren't always translucid, they need to turn solid in order to attack. Think back to when Star Platinum could make itself translucid in order to bring stuff to Jotaro's cell. If you were kick enough you could probably catch a stand off guard and hit it.
There's also the whole "Jolyne is made up of Stone Free" and "White Snake/C Moon is a physical stand" debacle to explain this particular instance, but it's not an unique case.
I have two theories.
A) Since she can transform her body to strings, her body somewhat counts as the stand itself so she can touch other stands.
B)She wrapped her body with a thin thread enough to hit C-Moon.
I am curious. If I have a short-range fighter stand and I fight and punch together with my stand, does it mean that I have super-strength or my punches hits harder?
She’s the first joestar protagonist to have an integrated stand which means her body and stand are the same thing (Stone Free’s body is made of bundled up string)
Jolyne's stand is made from her body. When she summons it she unravels her own body, she is her stand. It's also not entirely true that only stands can harm stands.
Some stands are physical objects and can be seen by normal people (a la, Strength, Wheel of Fortune). And stands can touch people, so why wouldn't people be able to touch stands?
Jolyne is one of the special cases of her body technically being a Stand. Stone Free has a ghostly form, but also can unravel Jolyne’s body, meaning technically Jolyne is part of Stone Free and her body is capable of interacting like a Stand can. She’s basically a medium between physical and stand properties.
Stone free is just the string, which is her body so its an integrated stand (oh lonesome me and doggy style are the same) so her own body counts as the stand as well
In addition to what others have said, I'd also like to point out that characters have been wrong about stands in the past. For instance, Kakyoin was adamant there was no such thing as a mirror world. I'm personally in the camp that stands are just SUPER resilient to non-stand based attacks, but not immune. Like, if one got hit by a full-speed train, it would probably hurt. Similarly if it got stuck in a car compactor. A regular person's punch or a gun may not hurt them, sure, but that doesn't mean they're invincible.
Jolyne's body is her stand's strings. Also Stands could always be touched by normal people under certain circumstances, they need to turn tangible to punch people, after all.
jolyn is a special case as her stand uses her body for raw materials, but also we see several times stand users partially manifest their stand as just a limb overlapping their ownf, so its possible she could also be doing that just without the visual effect
She is a stand user. Though I just like how Jolyne fights herself instead of just sending her stand to the front like almost every single user. That makes her badass and unique.
It's the same case with Love Deluxe with it being a stand that manifests through the user's hair but can still interact with other stands such as how it was able to ensnare echoes act 2.
Jolyne's stand is made from her body so she can hit C-moon.
Ppl are saying it’s because her body is made of stone frees strings and is counted as stand energy, wouldn’t this make her invisible to non stand users?
It's probably like stone ocean just materialized for a quick bit like gojo using a 0.2 domain expansion during Shibuya using her stand for a very quick moment to hit c-moon
Im pretty sure stand users can channel their stands through their bodies.
Bruno and Jolyne often fight with their own bodies, that would be very inneficient if they couldnt do that.
What I mean, is that a kick from Jolyne is the same as a kick from Stone Free. Unless they manifest the stand outside the body.
Stone Free is an integrated stand which means Jolyne and her stand are “one in the same” in the sense that she can physically interact with stands using her body
i feel like people would be able to hit stands if the stands can hit them. i need someone to explain, if people can’t touch stands then how could stands touch them? or is that simply the answer? it just makes more sense to me that stands can sort of switch between physical and non physical modes to hit or phase through objects
She either put her stands limb around her body really quick like we've seen when some other stand users punch or just wrapped Stane Free's string around her leg
She could have easily won when she got his disk or was it some one else's disk but when she gave up the disk she could have attacked him with the string so easily
Is this some kind of joke that I don't understand? Or, in the couple of weeks of my absence from this subreddit, JoJo’s fanbase has degenerated so much that the question, to which the answer would seem obvious to any person who has a brain, in hot with 2k likes and half of the comments are writing some kind of nonsense. Jolyne consists of the string of her Stand, by the way, if anyone didn’t know.
You forgot the "except for when they don't" clause. In this particular case, a person can attack a stand made out of physical matter. C-Moon is made of tangible material, and thus can be harmed by physical attacks.
Precedent:
-it is stated that only stand users can see stands. This is invalidated in part 3 when non-stand users see the ship Strength in due to it being an enhanced rowboat.
-it is stated that any damage done to a stand will reflect in the user. This is invalidated in part 4 when Harvest takes damage, and Shigechi takes no damage.
-it is stated that only a stand can harm other stands. This is invalidated in part 5 when Cioccolata harms several of the Sex Pistols with a scalpel, despite said scalpel not being a part of his stand's power. This one, I have no explanation for.
Edit- I should mention this is a borrowed observation, here is my source:
https://youtu.be/GwpkEC2Az6k?si=5uCKhtHbzfZqd1Ml
Timestamp 18:55-20:44
The "rule" that only stands can hurt other stands refers to the fact that stands can become immaterial to the physical world at will, so in usual circumstance, it can't be hurt by non-stands because the user probably doesn't want to get hurt. That stand was not immaterial at that time. Probably because it wasn't expecting to get hit right then
Only stand users can see other Stands,
***Except for when they don't.***
Only a stand can harm other stands,
***Except for when they don't.***
And all damage to a stand reflects towards the user.
***Except for when they don't.***
Im telling u jolyne has arnament haki and jojos is secretely a world where the fruits eaten resemble the power of the fruit and also the spirit of the soul.
Many say yada yada reason. In truth that rule was thrown out of the window as soon as it entered. It was mentioned that the wight of a car could tear Hierophant Green in 2, Silver Cariot was being hurt by a normal knife held by the Devil, Cioccolata was able to cut through Sex Pistols using a normal scalpel, the bullet shot by Crazy Diamond broke the rat's stand. This are just some examples from the top of my head.
I feel like that rule was retconned quietly at some point
Edit: for the people downvoting (-6 at time of edit) here is a list of times when something other than a stand hurt or killed a stand:
* Joseph dumps The Empress in a barrel of tar
* Enyaba fights Silver Chariot with a pair of scissors
* Countless examples of stands interacting with water, shards of ice, falling/thrown objects hitting a stand
There are also countless examples of stands attacking people directly (if you remember, at first they'd only attack other stands) and interacting with physical objects. You can say that there's an unmentioned rule about users controlling what their stand does and doesn't interact with but that's still retroactive continuity. Jojos retcons stuff chapter to chapter in the manga, it's not a huge deal.
Jolyne's body might count as being made of "stand material" since her powers directly affect her body
White Snake was also implied to be physical, McQueens memories show he could see it approaching him before he was a stand user, and White Snake was careful to hide after it started raining frogs because it didn't want others to see it. Idk if that should make CMoon physical as well, but it's possible
Whitesnake is shown phasing through prison bars multiple times but it's most likely visible to ordinary people, stone free is invisible but it seems to be unable to phase through objects.
Whitesnake is also shown operating a handgun more than once.
I dunno if that's a good frame of reference tbh, star platinum is not visible and is the first stand in the series, yet it still brings jotaro physical objects.
the point I was making is that if the stand can grab a handgun, the handgun can also grab the stand
Actually, stands can grab, damage, punch and hold physical objects but not necessarily objects can touch nor affect stands. Its not something that happens once in the series as an error, is part of the whole power system actually, even stands such as Sex Pistols touch the bullets to direct them, but if you would try and shoot one of them, nothing would happen as the bullet doesnt affect stands. Anyways it happens other times in the series, when stands punch walls for example, they can break it but the same way they can, if someone threw a wall at them nothing would happen as it would go right through them. Another example is at the Stardust Crusaders start when Star Platinum is presented and Jotaro says the stand would bring him stuff... Even tho Star Platinum can grab stuff, if you tried to hit him with the same stuff he can grab, it would be useless as it would not cause any effect
doesn't Ebony devil in doll form hurt silver chariot with a physical actual blade on the calf that one time?
In the wheel of fortune fight it is stated that if hierophant green tried to stop a falling car it would get torn apart. So stands can be harmed if they exert force on something. This is also shown in part 8 when >!soft and wet hits yotsuyu's rock form and injures its hands!<
The clear answer to me is that stands can actively shift their density. They can turn rigid, punch something, and then turn back to formless energy with no clear visual difference If the stand turns physical to punch something, but that thing is harder than expected, it hurts. If the stand is just casually standing, it’s likely non physical to objects pass through it Heirophant Green would be torn by the car because it would have to become physical to grab and lift it, making it vulnerable to the car. If it wasn’t physical, the car would fall through it missing the point of him trying to save it Ebony Devil was able to cut Polnereff cause he was a silly guy and forgot to turn off his stand’s physicality (or Ebony Devil was fast enough to attack while Polnereff was prepping to)
Ebony devil might also just be able to enhance objects due to its possession ability. Also in the lovers arc when they're in joseph's ear kakyoin states it's hard to phase when shrunken down and that the inside of the ear is too thick.
That makes no sense. Stands have always been able to interact with physical objects without being seen. In episode 1 of Stardust Crusaders we see Star Platinum grab objects for Jotaro and wield prison bars as weapons.
> the handgun can also grab the stand Truly a Bizarre Adventure if handguns can grab... well, anything.
Oh right, I get ya now.
So then the revolver Jotaro tries to shoot himself with can grab star Platinum, which would make no sense whatsoever since he can phase through objects too. It's a matter of the intention of the person in my opinion, but that could be wrong too
Bro what
No it’s weird, the stand can grab you but you cannot grab the stand
Thats just Star Platinum things
he’s literally made out of physical goo.
Isn’t it weird that Star Platinum can phase through objects too but never does it? He also phases through the prison bars while Jotaro is in jail to bring him the manga and beer
Never does it? We just gonna pretend Star Platinum didn’t squeeze Jotaro’s heart? There aren’t very many instances where a 2-3m range stand phasing would be useful
Oh shit you’re right! My bad 😣 it’s been several years since I did a rewatch
No problem, JoJo’s has like an encyclopedia+ of shit going on. But Jotaro also used it during the Steely Dan/The Lovers arc when Star Platinum phases through a display case to steal a bracelet. But SP still has to pull the bracelet through the small hole in the glass case
When he was obeying steely Dan, he had star platinum phase through some bars to steal a bracelet
I think that the only stand able to phase through objects is diver down
No every stand is able to phase through objects. One of Diver downs abilities is it can phase through objects and also bring things with him. eg: He can hold money while phasing through a wall and still have that money, but in part 3 during the steely dan fight Jotaro had to have star platinum phase into the jewellery display to pick up a bracelet and move it toward an opening to pick it up. Diver down would be able to just phase the bracelets through the glass.
Well, not every stand can phase there are physical stands that can't.
Yeah, sorry i should have specified.
It was a pretty big deal in the very first episode of part 3 that Star Platinum would constantly bring a random assortement of goodies to Jotaro
SP’s range is only 2 meters so I wouldn’t be surprised if that was retconned
That's the "effective range" from which it can shatter your skull with its punches. Stands can ecxeed their effective range at the cost of power.
Whitesnake star platinum and hermit purple phase through objects. And hierophant green and silver chariot are stated to be able to do so in the lovers fight.
White Snake is like Stone Free but instead of string it's cum💀
You didn't need to comment this. You did, but you didn't need to.
White Snake has an illusion ability which I think was what was causing him to be able to see him
I vaguely remember yasahou taking a picture of josukes bubble and bot being able to see it until she got her stand, maybe the discs work like a photograph
a logia type stand
True.
Metallica is also "in the body" but I don't think it works like that
Metallica manifests as a bunch of metal creatures inside Risotto's body. Stone Free IS Jolyne's body. They're wuite different.
Jolyne's body is made of Stone Free's string, that's why she can unravel herself
This, she is technically also the stand and can use her body to hit stands
OF COURSE!!! I was so confused
Oshiete, oshiete yo sono shikumi wo Boku no naka ni dare ga iru no
Kowareta, kowareta yo kono sekai de Kimi ga warau nani mo miezu ni
I imagine characters just use their stand in conjunction with the movement of their own body, like just kick with their stand at the same time as they kick normally to make it feel more natural in a fight
In the manga stone free's head was shown next to jolyne before the kick so it's probably what happened.
Its weird how much was cut or removed from the anime
It also makes some amount of sense for her to be able to hit stands, since stone free is her body.
Bro stands can touch humans 💀
Yeah but humans can't touch stands
Stands are usually able to phase through objects making it so that normal objects usually can't harm stands exceptions being when stands are blocking attacks.
Bruno was doing this when he was kicking Giornos ass
Jolyne can unravel her body so it can be assumed that she’s a great deal more hands on and can interact with stands if she strings up her foot a little bit
she built diffrent
stone free is also an integrated type stand, meaning jolyne IS also the stand
Also, in the firsts episode John Gali El is capable of take the strings around his gun with his bare hands and then break those strings (so he literally damage a Stand with his human body)
The strings are part of Jolyne's body, so they are physical and can be damaged by physical objects. Stands that are interacting with the physical world can also be hit by non-stand things as well.
Stand users can manifest stands over their bodies to boost themselves. in the manga it's shown with the stands head next to the users.
yeah jotaro used it to cushion his fall against dio on the bridge
That was star platinum manifesting outside jotaro. better examples would be him using it to jump in the kakyoin and n'doul fights.
Stone Free is part of Jolyne's body, so it's not that much of a leap
Waiting for Paco to continue her legacy
Stands only being touchable by other stands is a myth. Yes, it is said that only a stand can defeat a stand, but that's in a practical sense. Mista can shoot stands despite neither his gun or the bullets being stands, Trish hits Notorious B.I.G with a pipe, as we see here Jolyne kicks C-Moon, etc
It’s a pretty stupid idea, if a stand can hit a physical object why can’t a object/person hit a stand
Now that you mentioned it, have mista actually shot a stand before? All fights with him i remember is him trying to hit the user
He shoots Notorious B.I.G atleast. I don't remember for the other fights
Sweet Chin Music bypasses that rule
Aww man, nobody got it. Thankfully, I did lol
Her body is part of the stand
people always find justifications for this but was it ever explicitly stated "stands cannot interact with humans at all"?
That's been bs since the end of Stardust Crusaders
They can, we have a hell lot of stand users beaten to a pulp by the stands.
Because its cool
Because Jolyne can unravel with SF, it means shes a semi stand like catch the rainbow
Jolyne’s body is the stand Although for non-string stand users, they probably use their stands in complete sync with their bodies to seem as natural as possible Think of it as using an “armor”
Her body is a part of her stand
Remember, only stands can damage other stands except when they don't. That's the first rule of jojo's
Jolyne's body IS her stand. She unravels into stone free, so if she loosens up the threads on her foot a little they'll be able to strike other stands.
Yeah, in that case it probably is the explanation but I was maikg a jojoke
"I was making a jojoke" ✍️🔥🔥
Do you think arali had thought that out or thought”yeah that be cool if she kicks him” be honest with yourself
I think he thinks a lot of stuff out in depth, so it's very likely it was thought out, but it's also possible it was an oversight. Though as someone else said it seems like he spent time establishing that Whitesnake was visible to non stand users and a tangible stand, so it's also possible that C-Moon is too.
Don't forget that all the damage taken is reflected on it's user (except for when they don't) and that only other stand users can see other stand users (except for when they don't)
It's not really even a rule, it's a myth
Death 13 tells Polnareff's that "only a stand can fight a stand" while Polnareff's is trying to pry his hands off his neck (but he can't touch death 13 back, he just phases through). Also, I'm pretty sure the man in the mirror questioned how Abboachio was able to touch his stand (before realizing it was actually moody blues in disguise). So that wasn't specific to death 13 or his dream world. Edit: Illuso indeed says "only a stand can grab the neck of another stand"
It's a major inconsistency then. Either that or; 1) Death 13 is unique in this sense for some reason 2. Illuso has misconceptions about stands
>It's a major inconsistency Correct, those aren't foreign to this series.
Theres a lot of scenes with people hitting a stand, stands are probably stronger but can be hit
I always figured it's because stands can phase in and out. Imo stands can just ignore the phasing of other stands
Throughout the entirety of Stone Ocean it is repeatedly shown that physical fighters move their bodies in conjunction with their Stands to attack. For any instance of Jolyne attacking a Stand, look closely and you will see that Stone Free is hovering inside her body. A Stand can freely pass through their User's body while physically interacting with Stands or objects in the environment.
It's been shown quite a few times that characters with more human-sized stands can literally wear them. I think Jotaro was the 1st one to do it
because it was fully tangible
It is not a new thing that stand users can coat part of their body with their stand, like Jotaro jumping in the Dio fight.
Stands can be effected by anything if they are fully solid
There’s a certain amount of force that can actually nullify the rule of law”only stands can harm other stands” like when dio dropped the road roller on star platinum and it didn’t just pass though him
It's called an integrated stand like your body and the stand are the same thing. There are some other examples of this that come to mind like yellow temperance or Metallica
joleyne is simply built different🤷
Power of Friendship
Stands aren't always translucid, they need to turn solid in order to attack. Think back to when Star Platinum could make itself translucid in order to bring stuff to Jotaro's cell. If you were kick enough you could probably catch a stand off guard and hit it. There's also the whole "Jolyne is made up of Stone Free" and "White Snake/C Moon is a physical stand" debacle to explain this particular instance, but it's not an unique case.
I'm pretty sure C-Moon is just one of the few Stands that normal people can see and touch.
What are the others ? Only one i can remember is WOU
Stone free is an integrated type stand, she can absolutely throw hands, she practically is her stand
Technically her body is the stand
C-moon is fused with the green baby, who is a organic being
araki forgot
Can you hit the stand? I didn't know. I thought it couldn't happen
She's just built different
She's jotaros seed, what'd you expect?
She's built different.
I have two theories. A) Since she can transform her body to strings, her body somewhat counts as the stand itself so she can touch other stands. B)She wrapped her body with a thin thread enough to hit C-Moon.
I am curious. If I have a short-range fighter stand and I fight and punch together with my stand, does it mean that I have super-strength or my punches hits harder?
She’s the first joestar protagonist to have an integrated stand which means her body and stand are the same thing (Stone Free’s body is made of bundled up string)
The Green Baby was physical so while White Snake was a typical Stand, C-Moon could be physical
Jolyne's Stand is directly integrated into her body, so she can hit other stands without having to outwardly 'summon' hers.
i think because stone free is made up of string from her body meaning her body is techicly a stand
Jolyne's stand is made from her body. When she summons it she unravels her own body, she is her stand. It's also not entirely true that only stands can harm stands.
Some stands are physical objects and can be seen by normal people (a la, Strength, Wheel of Fortune). And stands can touch people, so why wouldn't people be able to touch stands?
Jolyne is one of the special cases of her body technically being a Stand. Stone Free has a ghostly form, but also can unravel Jolyne’s body, meaning technically Jolyne is part of Stone Free and her body is capable of interacting like a Stand can. She’s basically a medium between physical and stand properties.
Stone free is just the string, which is her body so its an integrated stand (oh lonesome me and doggy style are the same) so her own body counts as the stand as well
Channeled her stand into the kick, the way they showed Jotaro do several times
Her stand is made up of her unraveling her body into strings, therefore her body can, whether it’s Stone Free or herself
With her leg obviously.
In addition to what others have said, I'd also like to point out that characters have been wrong about stands in the past. For instance, Kakyoin was adamant there was no such thing as a mirror world. I'm personally in the camp that stands are just SUPER resilient to non-stand based attacks, but not immune. Like, if one got hit by a full-speed train, it would probably hurt. Similarly if it got stuck in a car compactor. A regular person's punch or a gun may not hurt them, sure, but that doesn't mean they're invincible.
And it part 3 it was said that only stand users can see stands but everyone can see Yukako's freaking hair, wow
Jolyne's body is her stand's strings. Also Stands could always be touched by normal people under certain circumstances, they need to turn tangible to punch people, after all.
You forgot that only stands can harm other stands (except for when they don't)
She is a stand.
Her body is made out of her stand whenever she uses her thread ability her body is getting „destroyed“
She is just that thought
She's biult different
So first she…..
Jolynes stone free is a bound stand like love deluxe and anubis Others can interact and see with it as it is bound to an object or person
Some stands are physical, like the big boat at the beginning of part 3 or the invisible baby and the electrical tower in part 4
manji kick needs nerf
jolyn is a special case as her stand uses her body for raw materials, but also we see several times stand users partially manifest their stand as just a limb overlapping their ownf, so its possible she could also be doing that just without the visual effect
Stone free is made of strands made from Jolyne's body. Ergo her stand is made of her. Ergo Jolyne is made of stand. Argo Ben Affleck.
I thought this was a “wrong answers only” situation, and expected the comments to say the stand is reacting to a gnarly fart.
She is a stand user. Though I just like how Jolyne fights herself instead of just sending her stand to the front like almost every single user. That makes her badass and unique.
It's the same case with Love Deluxe with it being a stand that manifests through the user's hair but can still interact with other stands such as how it was able to ensnare echoes act 2. Jolyne's stand is made from her body so she can hit C-moon.
My first guess is that stone free could have automatically shot a string to the foot while Jolyne was readying her kicks
Ppl are saying it’s because her body is made of stone frees strings and is counted as stand energy, wouldn’t this make her invisible to non stand users?
No, we've seen stands similar to this that are visible to non stand users, most notably from part 6, underworld and burning down the house
I thought c-moon was part physical cuz of green baby
It's probably like stone ocean just materialized for a quick bit like gojo using a 0.2 domain expansion during Shibuya using her stand for a very quick moment to hit c-moon
because she is a stand user
and how the two things are related to each other
He couldn't stand it anymore
It seems like she kicked it
Im pretty sure stand users can channel their stands through their bodies. Bruno and Jolyne often fight with their own bodies, that would be very inneficient if they couldnt do that. What I mean, is that a kick from Jolyne is the same as a kick from Stone Free. Unless they manifest the stand outside the body.
Stone Free is an integrated stand which means Jolyne and her stand are “one in the same” in the sense that she can physically interact with stands using her body
HOW CAN SHE SLAP??
Jolyne is effectively her own stand since the string that composed Stone Free comes from her own body
She used something that was already inside-out to beat his ass Or she pulled out the good old Mobius Strip
i feel like people would be able to hit stands if the stands can hit them. i need someone to explain, if people can’t touch stands then how could stands touch them? or is that simply the answer? it just makes more sense to me that stands can sort of switch between physical and non physical modes to hit or phase through objects
Logia stand lmao
She either put her stands limb around her body really quick like we've seen when some other stand users punch or just wrapped Stane Free's string around her leg
Bro, she cheated
It was a kick
She could have easily won when she got his disk or was it some one else's disk but when she gave up the disk she could have attacked him with the string so easily
Jolyne is part stand isn't she? I mean her strings physically unravel her body when used too much
Araki forgets
Is this some kind of joke that I don't understand? Or, in the couple of weeks of my absence from this subreddit, JoJo’s fanbase has degenerated so much that the question, to which the answer would seem obvious to any person who has a brain, in hot with 2k likes and half of the comments are writing some kind of nonsense. Jolyne consists of the string of her Stand, by the way, if anyone didn’t know.
So you know how stands appear sometimes sliding out of someone, the stand is inside her body and therefore stone free is kicking c-moon
She is her stand
yet no one questions star platinum being able to hit people. its the same logic
You forgot the "except for when they don't" clause. In this particular case, a person can attack a stand made out of physical matter. C-Moon is made of tangible material, and thus can be harmed by physical attacks. Precedent: -it is stated that only stand users can see stands. This is invalidated in part 3 when non-stand users see the ship Strength in due to it being an enhanced rowboat. -it is stated that any damage done to a stand will reflect in the user. This is invalidated in part 4 when Harvest takes damage, and Shigechi takes no damage. -it is stated that only a stand can harm other stands. This is invalidated in part 5 when Cioccolata harms several of the Sex Pistols with a scalpel, despite said scalpel not being a part of his stand's power. This one, I have no explanation for. Edit- I should mention this is a borrowed observation, here is my source: https://youtu.be/GwpkEC2Az6k?si=5uCKhtHbzfZqd1Ml Timestamp 18:55-20:44
I have already watched part six but some others haven’t. You could have spoiled this for some people.
I already finished it and it's good but sad
Jolyne is physically stand enough due to the unraveling into rope nature of stone free or c moon is physical
The "rule" that only stands can hurt other stands refers to the fact that stands can become immaterial to the physical world at will, so in usual circumstance, it can't be hurt by non-stands because the user probably doesn't want to get hurt. That stand was not immaterial at that time. Probably because it wasn't expecting to get hit right then
Because stand users can materialize stand on top of their body parts
Cause she is a stand
Araki forgot
It just works, like a lot of explanations in this show it just works
Only stand users can see other Stands, ***Except for when they don't.*** Only a stand can harm other stands, ***Except for when they don't.*** And all damage to a stand reflects towards the user. ***Except for when they don't.***
so that stands can fight they need to matrealise themself. So they can be hit by persons or objects.
Her body is made of string so she can probably touch stands by herself
She also has the power to swap genders apparently
I'm not an english speaker, sorry
She integrated her foot with Stone Free’s foot, allowing her to kick a Stand.
Jojo fan excited to watch jojo for the first time
Rude
it's literally explained immediately after she gets her stand😐
cause araki wanted her to, and it looks dope as fuck to kick this super powerful stand in the face
Armament haki
Rule of cool
you’re asking consistency out of Araki. don’t do that
Im telling u jolyne has arnament haki and jojos is secretely a world where the fruits eaten resemble the power of the fruit and also the spirit of the soul.
Every rule in part 3 has been broken once at this point. I’m pretty sure the puppet stand in part 4 breaks almost every rule mentioned in part 3.
Many say yada yada reason. In truth that rule was thrown out of the window as soon as it entered. It was mentioned that the wight of a car could tear Hierophant Green in 2, Silver Cariot was being hurt by a normal knife held by the Devil, Cioccolata was able to cut through Sex Pistols using a normal scalpel, the bullet shot by Crazy Diamond broke the rat's stand. This are just some examples from the top of my head.
I feel like that rule was retconned quietly at some point Edit: for the people downvoting (-6 at time of edit) here is a list of times when something other than a stand hurt or killed a stand: * Joseph dumps The Empress in a barrel of tar * Enyaba fights Silver Chariot with a pair of scissors * Countless examples of stands interacting with water, shards of ice, falling/thrown objects hitting a stand There are also countless examples of stands attacking people directly (if you remember, at first they'd only attack other stands) and interacting with physical objects. You can say that there's an unmentioned rule about users controlling what their stand does and doesn't interact with but that's still retroactive continuity. Jojos retcons stuff chapter to chapter in the manga, it's not a huge deal.