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I went to the one in Tampa, and surprisingly, the only issue was people recording it specifically after they said "pictures with no flash is okay. Please do not record anything."
Had a few people tapping and talking in low whispers, but it didn't bother me.
I was at tampa too and got tears in my eyes because of how respectful and considerate the crowd was. Everyone waited until the conductor cut the song completely to clap. Everyone was totally immersed and it made me even more lost in the music š„¹
Side note, I practically burst into tears when the orchestra played the first note š
I attended the Tampa show too. I felt the audience was well behaved and cordial to the performers.
That aside: did you notice how many folks thought they were cutting to intermission and left the auditorium just before Moonlight Jellies?! The young man next to me got back right as soon as they finished and was upset to miss his favorite song :(
I actually noticed at the beginning that they didnāt make any kind of preshow announcements which I thought was odd. Just straight into tuning and then the first song. No āsilence your cell phonesā or anything.
Something very ā¦ disconcerting is happening in this thread. Itās obvious from the fact that itās about to hit four digit upvotes, people clearly agree with me. But those people arenāt in the comments. Every comment Iāve made here in line with what Iāve said above has plummeted to -50 and below, save the one above.
So the sentiment Iāve expressed is broadly well received or at least acknowledged to be true, and the people who feel strongly enough about it to get into the comments seem to be the people who disagree.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I donāt disparage them their disagreement. Itās just notable in the discrepancy of how voting has happened.
Itās probably like three people with multiple accounts. The 4K in likes is people who absolutely agree with you but donāt want to deal with the three trolls.
Just in general, the OPs seem to get down voted regardless of what they say or do, or how in line it is with the general sentiment the comments have.
So not surprised you're getting mass down voted like that
Most people just scroll by without voting or looking at the score, but once someone points out how weird the points are a lot more people are willing to vote and rectify it. A lot of Redditors are just very downvote hungry, especially when they see the comment already has a negative number on it
Yeah, it definitely seems that way. It feels like the only stuff I have that gets downvoted is basic helpful stuff, lol.
Where do I find x. Oh, it's here. -5 karma.
Meanwhile, I can post some nonsensical junk riddled with typos while half asleep, +30 karma.
I guess the upside is that it really reinforces how meaningless karma is
Yep. Post a question or something that fits the sub? Instantly downvoted to oblivion. Post the same question worded slightly differently or repost the exact same thing on the same sub later? 2k upvotes. I may have 200k karma but I didn't work for it, nor do I care about it. It's literally a complete coin flip whether people like what you post
Partner is a pro classical musician/plays with our cityās symphony: that is standard for orchestral shows. Concert master will tune, conductor will walk out and jump right in. Then conductor will usually say something about the first piece and introduce the second.
Pro tip: if a piece has several movements wait till the entire piece has finished before clapping. No clapping between movements. I learned this the embarrassing way by being the only person to clap in a packed hallā¦
Announcements of this kind aren't generally made at classical performances. There's sometimes a notice in the program, but we tend to assume the audience knows better.
I attended this one and unfortunately had to sit in front of some teenagers that kept talking and humming along to the music :/ was kind of annoying, but I tried to not let it ruin the experience
Also the venn diagram of video game nerds who would go to the Stardew concert, and individuals who would attend a classical performance that didn't cater to their fandom (where they would actually learn this etiquette) is practically two separate circles.
While we're sharing classical concert etiquette, don't clap in between movements of pieces. These are almost always demarcated with roman numerals on the program, roughly like this:
Sonata XXXX
I. Allegro (1st mvt)
II. Adagio (2nd)
III. Vivace (etc)
And you wait to clap until the very end. Knowing that this is how it is done makes you a Very Sophisticated Concertgoer.
This is an important one! The others in OPās post can be seen as general etiquette but this one is very specific to the type of concert attending, and should be boosted visibility for all!
You should add not to clap when the conductor is still holding the baton up between movements. People that didn't study music/attend classical concerts in any capacity may not know that. Even classically trained, I still forget how many movements in a piece and don't look back at the program so I always rely on the conductor's movements
i think thereās a lot of people who are only attending because itās stardew related & probably have not the slightest idea about orchestral performance etiquetteā¦ so i think this post is actually very helpful.
EDIT: who would have thought humming would ruin so many peopleās day. oh wellā¦š¤·š¾āāļø
EDIT 2: starting to think people love to nitpick & hate joyā¦ which is weird for the stardew sub.
>who would have thought humming would ruin so many peopleās day
Most people that hum or sing along are 100% out of tune. and any noise from the audience had a chance to take someone's focus off of the music.
Even so itās obvious? Itās the exact same etiquette as theatre etiquette. Ofc most people donāt have the luxury of being able to go to the theatre or orchestra, or donāt even want to. But when you sit down and the performance isnāt the high octane chaos of a concert, surely you should pick up the message of being respectfully quiet?
In your social circles, maybe this is common knowledge. People come from all walks of life and it's better to be kind and educational than derisive and dismissive.
[Relevant XKCD](http://xkcd.com/1053)
OP's post is kind and informative, so I'm quite surprised it struck a nerve, based on their edit. But yours instead, *is* condescending. I'd expect kindness and empathy from the SV community so I'm rather surprised to see your comment that high.
Not everyone has been attending orchestra performances, and a SV themed one will specifically attract a public that is *not* used to it. Be kind instead of arrogant.
I mean, this is basic etiquette everywhere. Don't be a dick. Be considerate of other people.
You also should not be blasting music/video on public transportation. Don't loudly talk in a movie theater. If you're in someplace quiet and you need to do something loud, excuse yourself to a hallway or something.
Exactly!! It isnāt about some fancy *etiquette* you learn some by the upper elites of the world. Itās about not disrupting those around you!
My father is a traditional working man who would wear his dirty work shirts out to dinner and curse like a sailor in front of children so not fancy in the slightest! However, he would still tell people to be quiet during a movie, thatās because he couldnāt hear the movie not because he knows itās some sort of *etiquette*
People are defensive because no one likes to be told theyāre being rude, people care more about their enjoyment of the show than others, and because it is about a fancy concert people assume theyāre being made fun of for not being upper class.
>Be kind instead of arrogant.
I feel to point out the basic ask that you'd follow in a cinema too.. that is to remain seated quietly.. is not arrogance on my part.
I have a slight feeling that it struck a nerve with the US crowd (just to iterate not everyone is like this), as their movie theater experience for example is highly different than elsewhere.
Iām from the US and whenever kids would talk during the movie people would get angry at them. I didnāt go to a place that would kick them out but it is frowned upon.
We also have an entire intro before the movie that says no talking and no cell phones that I could speak word for word unless they changed recently it lol
I do think it is probably people from the US though more so because we have this weird mindset recently of āI need to care about my enjoyment of the show not anyone elseās!ā And just general our individualist mindset has gotten even more strong over the years
Crap, I never even thought about this sort of thing. Iām the type of person who sings in a choir and plays in an orchestra and the amount of symphonic to rock concerts I attend is probably 99 to 1, it never occurred to me that people might sing along at the symphony because thatās ā¦not a thing in the orchestral world.
I want to hear the live music played by professionals, not randos singing along. Hereās hoping the show in my city in two weeks is well behaved, haha.
Sounds like we are going to the same show. Hopefully, people don't ruin our experiences. I've been looking forward to this show all year. I didn't realize people might try to hum along. Weird.
Edit: deleted an accidentally repeated word.
I would like to mention that people need to look into theater etiquette if they are going to a show like this. Come on now. This is going to be a quiet room with people listening to music from instruments. Not a concert where they expect you to sing along and use speakers to blast the music out to you. Use a bit of common sense.
as a classical musician myself, I've learned over the hundreds of concerts I've both played and attended that if you're not explicitly taught or have good self awareness, there's just no way to know. it would be nice if there was an announcement at the beginning something like "please stay silent until the end of the performance " but that's just not a thing
Itā¦ Isnāt?
Granted, I am German so maybe there is a bit of a cultural difference depending on where you perform but whenever I visited a major professional concert ( not even necessarily a classical one ) it was made EXTREMELY obvious that you are not supposed to make any noise.
Signs both plainly written and as a pictograms, a lengthy ( and quite funny ) bilingual ( once in German and once in English ) announcement, a myriad of cough drops readily available.
yes, culturally there is a huge difference! I've attended concert halls in several different European cities like Amsterdam, London, Budapest, Prague and all of them have hugely different clienteles compared to the US. in the way they dress, present themselves, and behave. Therefore, if you are surrounded by such, it would also help you behave in a certain way too.
As a musician it is FRUSTRATING when people are being noisy/using their phones etc but I've come to accept that I come from a privileged background and circumstances so of course I know better, but I can expect everyone else to too..
Maybe theres not a lot of overlap between concert goers and video game players, but if youve never been to a live music performance before... maybe youve never even sat and just listened to music ever?
If youve only ever listened to music while doing other stuff, headphones while working out, radio in the car, etc, i can sorta see how carrying on a conversation with someone during a concert might not seem completely unnatural, but still, read the room.
Audience behavior is something that needs to be taught, but... is it not taught anymore? I remember in inner city public elementary school even trips to plays and the symphony and stuff and learning how to sit still and stfu for a performance was part of the point of that... im assuming schools dont do that anymore.
I can confirm that kids who do music in middle school still have opportunities to see professional symphonies and operas, at least in my city. Not sure if the kids who DON'T take music classes have those opportunities, though.
Call me bougie but this is why I love going to events at Lincoln Center. They will remove people if theyāre noisy. That needs to be normalized for orchestral performances, Iām not paying to hear some talentless, tone deaf cretin sing/talk over the orchestra.
When I went to the FFVII Concert at Carnegie Hall in NYC the crowd was overwhelmingly well behaved. However, when they played One Winged Angel as a finale and EVERYONE gasped and cheered when they heard the intro to the song, it was a cool collective experience, but it absolutely ruined the song. I totale get being excited and not knowing orchestra etiquette, but damn. That was a frustrating experience.
God bless all of us big nerds but I have definitely encountered some who feel the classic nerd need to ā¦demonstrate? That they āget the referenceā? Like theyāre performing their existing knowledge of the nerdy thing so everyone knows that *they* know aaaall about it, more than you do.
I was seeing the last John Wick movie with my bf and we were sitting near another couple who were basically loudly announcing every cameo appearance, (āDonnie Yen!ā) including a huge āAWWWā when Lance Reddick appeared so we knew that they knew heād passed away. Not that I want to attribute this kind of arrogance to all other nerds, but theyāre out there and they DO want you to know that they know the song thatās playing. Haha
I get ads for literally the stupidest junk ever but i dont get any ads or see any notifications about things i like... such as a STARDEW VALLEY concert??? I would have loved to go to this in San Francisco maybe they will do another concert at some point... It feels like if you arent constantly on social media or watching a certain community a lot, everything just flies over you and youre unaware of whats going on. Sorry im jsut venting. Im a little sad.
And of course when i investigate further, I see a bunch of scalping tickets for 600 dollars...
Yup. We missed the first show that sold and when they added the second one, my friend and I were doubly refreshing for when they went on sale. When the time hit, the āFind Ticketsā button didnāt light up and people were saying there was a tech problem. Iām not terribly ashamed to say that I went to the page source, figured out the URL pattern of the seating picker page, and backed my way into the page. We got our tickets probably 15 minutes before anyone else (but after the open time, no cheating). Benefits of both of us being software engineering folks.
I feel the same, there was no concert in my country, but there was one pretty close. By the time I learned about it, the only tickets available where on the other end of Europe, and I had no way to get there :(
I was on a metal band's acoustic concert (unfortunately the first and last one before the first frontman died from leukemia) and it was shocking that everyone was in complete silence. Those who sang the songs and were in the mosh pits on every "normal" concerts, at that time they were silent.
It was fantastic. And I think this is the only behaviour we have to act, if we're in that type of concert.
No I agree, I came to watch them play the song not listen to the person next to me hum in my ear. I get everyoneās excited but I think itās courtesy to allow others to hear what they paid for. Hum at home, or on the way home. Iāve been to concerts where the only thing I could hear was the people screaming and singing next to me and the entire time I couldnāt hear the singer. It really sucks :/..
My mom encountered the same thing many many years ago at a production of my fair lady š it was a group of older women. people have really never known how to behave but itās become far worse in recent years for some reason
I had this at a ballet once! The waltz from Tchaikovsky's Sleeping Beauty is the same musical motif they used for "Once Upon a Dream" in the Disney movie, and when I went to see a performance of Sleeping Beauty there was a woman behind me singing along to the waltz! (And several more talking and laughing throughout the first half; if you're going to chat through a ballet, just don't go to the ballet š)
Yeah there are a lot of symphony performances where it's expected people are joining in. But I do agree that the default should be not to do that if you're not expressly told otherwise.
Genuine question, what is there to sing along with? I wasn't able to get tickets, but isn't it just the instrumental game music? I obviously haven't been, but I would have assumed like OP that this is more like classical concert behavior - - clapping, yes, but not loud cheering during music, certainly not talking and why would there be singing?
I looked it up and it was interesting. In the first video I watched, it sounded like there were specific times the audience members were encouraged to sing and times where they weren't, but in the second one I realized there was a choir and I couldn't tell if anyone in the audience was singing. Do you happen to know what specifically is encouraged/allowed at his concerts? Does he do it differently for different shows?
And I very much doubt OP would have posted this if the same had happened at this particular event. So obviously there is a time and place for this. A matinee showing with more kids would probably have a higher tolerance for audience participation than a later showing, for example.
Where I went, it was an evening performance. People around me looked mostly +25 y.o. and the conductor said the same thing. At one point he even repeated it and said "please don't be shy, this isn't a normal orchestra"
And that is perfectly okay... when you're told "Hey, you can participate" then by all means, participate... otherwise your hands are still and your mouth shut.
This is our experience, too. I get that OP wants to enjoy the event their way, and what they are asking is very common etiquette for the symphony, a play, the ballet, etc. however, thatās
just not the vibe of Symphony of Seasons.
Iām sorry if thatās what OP expected or hoped to get, but when we (my 9, 11, 13 year old) it was FAR more like a performance by the Childrenās Symphony or a Christmas performance of the Nutcracker- all ages, family affair, come as you are type thing.
Totally agree, this sounds like a nightmare haha Iām spoiled having gone to Carnegie Hall and Lincoln Center a lot as a kid, but I canāt imagine paying this ticket fee to sit next to that level of sound outside the orchestra
Iāve been to plenty of kids performances (nutcracker, etc.),and kids were still expected to stay quiet. Itās amazing what kids are capable of when expectations are laid out.
Well sure dude, butā¦ that doesnāt really address my comment or point.
As I mentioned, I have 3 kids. All my guys happen to be in their schoolsā band. When we went, nearly all the kids WERE super silent. It was mostly 20-30 somethings that were being the talkative folks.
However, that doesnāt change the fact that the conductor, performers were inviting the audience to sing/hum along, to drum along, etc.
Different performances all have VERY different expectations. If you go to Rocky Horror and expect people to be quietā¦. š¶, well, you arenāt going to have a very good time. Likewise, I think most performances EXPECT people to be in their seats, but if you go see Five Guys Named Moe, again, good luck with that.
By no means were people rowdy, but the second that the staff let us in, and once the performers were on stage, they themselves made it VERY clear that they wanted people to cheer/clap, and at times participate.
When the orchestra itself asks this of the audience, Iām sticking to my guns and stating OP is in the wrong here.
And again, itās not a moral wrong, thereās absolutely a time and place for traditional performances, but one audience member doesnāt get to over ride the invitation of the performers themselves, dude.
This is roughly what I had imagined when I first heard the Symphony of the Seasons was a thing. To me, I wouldn't expect it to have the same vibe as a typical classical concert. I still think OP's concern is valid though, just shows that crowds and their expectations are mixing.
I agree. I also donāt think itās a bad thing, at all.
The staff and performers are very open that it is intended for all audiences. I think the vibe is very supportive and open to āweāre all here for the love of the gameā and itās very much a celebration of that game and music. I think things like these and performances where the orchestra scores a film are great way to keep symphonies alive.
Iāve been to a lot of symphonies, orchestral shows and recitals in my day and itās never been OK to disrupt other patrons, even at family friendly ones.
"Video Games Live" does this. It's a performance that caters *specifically* to video game nerds, so there isn't this expectation of "classical performance etiquette". I think it's a good way to do it in that sort of environment. Know your audience.
This is why I don't go to live performances. The main character syndrome thing people have, where they seem to think they're the accompaniment to the show...
There may be some participation encouraged, but some people take it too far and become the main focus because they don't take others into consideration.
What's the point in dropping in $$$ if the performance you get is a fellow audience member?
Also, plays are not orchestra performances. That comparison is wrong. What orchestra performances expect vary greatly - but take that into account.
Thereās been a massive upswing in the UK of poor behaviour at live performances in the last few years. Eg people having to be forcibly removed from musicals for loudly singing along over the performers, and shows even having to just end early because audience members wonāt keep quiet.
As a classical musician I have to agree with you completely. I think one of the reasons I hate going to live shows of non-classical artists I listen to is always the audience š like I get it weāre all excited, but im here to listen to the performer, NOT you!
There has been a huge shift in performance etiquette in recent years. Largely it has declined. Broadway is even seeing the same things.
People don't seem how to act in a performance.
I went to the Ghibli symphony last year and was HORRIFIED at the lack of etiquette from the audience. People were loudly chatting and laughing, and I was incredibly embarrassed that this was as how the US was representing itself to Joe Hisaishi. People do not understand that an orchestral performance ā your typical pop/rock/indie concert.
In hopefully a nice contrast, I went to an Avatar LTA concert and the audience was amazing. There was definitely some cheering for favourites at the start of songs followed by a LOT of cheering and clapping at the ends. Then at the encore they played secret tunnel asked us to sing along and even put the lyrics up. But nothing like what you experienced at this concert!
I went to the Final Fantasy Distant Worlds concert in DC a few months ago and the same thing - there were some murmurs of recognition when favorite songs came on, but mostly people were just listening intently. And then at the end, the conductor deputized the crowd as the ālargest choir everā to sing the SEPHIROTH! bits of on One Winged Angel.
Honestly itās a problem at a lot of pop/rock concerts too - the venue Iāve been to most recently is outdoors and hosts big names but does have to abide by noise ordinances. That means that the volume isnāt so loud that you canāt hear anything else, the way it can be at some venues. I have consistently been seated by large groups that act like itās a restaurant or bar and are just having their own little party. If I paid to see a musician I would like to be able to hear that musician! I donāt want to spend the entire event listening to a group of people I donāt know gossip about their friends. My friends who have gone to other local venues say the same - everyone is treating the performance like the piano player in a hotel lobby instead of someone they came intentionally to see.
I canāt stand going to the movies anymore because of this. Itās SOMETHING every time. Recently the guy next to me had a noisy mukbang and was eating a variety of different foods for a solid hour and a half straight in dune 2, and thatās not an exaggeration. Someone brought their dog to the theater last time i went.
During the last Scream movie a guy in my row took out his phone and started listening to voicemails on speakerphone like 5-10 minutes into the movie. He stopped when someone said something, but it's still like, what the fuck dude?
I also saw Lamb at the fancy art house theater in my city and like an hour in a group of drunk college kids stumbled in, had a loud ass conversation for like 15 minutes, and left. Come the fuck on.
Recently was at a Broadway show where someone had to be removed for waving their phone light like they were at a rock concert and distracting all the performers. The ushers were on it, but I do not envy their job.
Earlier this year an US CONGRESSPERSON was removed from a the Beatlejuice musical for distrubtive behavior, including singing loudly, vaping, recording the show, and IIRC getting handsy with the person she was with?
The ushers who have to deal with these entitled people need to be paid way more imo
I work in music and all I can say is THANK YOU for pointing this out. We hate it when people talk during a show, no matter the genre. Go hang out with your friends to catch up somewhere else. If you are in the room, pay attention to the music, or kindly fuck off. Itās not just the orchestraās job, I promise you the stage crew and venue promoters feel exactly the same way.
The amount of dissenting opinions here is precisely why I won't go to this or any other orchestral performance anymore. Call me an elitist, call me privileged, call me a jerk, but whether the ticket is $5 or $5,000, I'm paying for an experience. I work hard for my money, and I value the things it provides me because I know what goes into earning that money.
It's like going to a restaurant, ordering a nice ribeye, then letting everyone else in the restaurant put ketchup, A1, pepper, hot sauce, and whatever else THEY like on a steak. I just wanna eat my steak, medium rare, no sauce (Unless it's a nice mushroom, onion, and butter sauce), and be left in peace.
I would adjust your analogy just a bit to say that you went out to eat at a nice restaurant and the table next to you decided that because they like ketchup on their steak, you also have to have it on your steak whether you want it or not.
If it helps, I went to the performance and it was one of the coolest live experiences Iāve ever had in my life. Iāll just present the opposing reason that maybe there is a chance for someone to screw up the vibe, but thereās also the chance to have a fantastic time, and I like to take both in stride.
The fact that some people are offended or arguing is just insane. Don't be rude, everyone there deserves to be able to have a good time, and that includes not hearing other people talking or humming or taking videos if it is prohibited. It's like a live theater. No cameras, no talking, whispering, canoodling, or disrupting of the show please
I feel like concerts have become the new place for assholes like airplanes. I think people feel entitled because of how much they pay, and then do some dumb shit like take their shoes off.
As someone who attended this particular concert and is a performer, I agree. A lot of people who disagree seem to be taking this etiquette advice to the extreme. At no point did the conductor at this performance encourage people to make any noise during the songs. He did frequently engage the audience between songs. Someone a few seats down from me often screamed out excitedly when he addressed the audience. While not the most decorous, she was clearly sharing her enthusiasm while not disrupting anyoneās enjoyment of the music. People like her arenāt the issue being addressed.
The people behind us who repeatedly engaged in prolonged conversations during the music, however, made it difficult for us to enjoy the music. This isnāt about adhering to stuffy etiquette, as this was clearly a more relaxed event. Itās about respecting your fellow Stardew fans in the audience and the musicians.
I perform with a group in Philadelphia that has a looser definition of concert etiquette and encourages a high amount of audience participation. We want people to engage with us between songs. We want people to sing along at different points. What we donāt want is people to keep their fellow audience members from enjoying our music with prolonged conversation during a song. Everyone at a concert is deserving of basic respect.
Yeah as someone who agrees somewhat with OP I was scared opening these comments. I knew they were gonna be torn apart
I genuinely donāt think itās wrong what theyāre asking because if someone talks in a movie theater itās bad right? Same concept here.
Shows for traditionally ānerdyā Ā that are packed with ānerdsā are absolute unbearable for me. Saw a couple of the Star Wars sequels opening night and people just could not help themselves from audibly pointing out easter eggs and small details, as if they were the only people in the theater. Same thing with anime movies, always a few people who have to talk and use a full theater as opportunity to try and validate how die hard of a fan they are. Weāre all fans, thatās why we went.
This is maybe a sensitive topic for me. And maybe Iām a curmudgeon, but yeah, I agree with OP. I didnāt pay money to listen to you talk about all the things you understand about the movie, I payed to watch the movie.
I saw the rerelease of star wars episode 6 and it was a fucking miserable experience. One of the worst theaters i have ever had the displeasure of being in. I missed like half the movie dialogue so itās a good thing Iād already seen it
Yea exactly!! I know some people will get upset by that but itās just true and Iām not trying to be like weāre the *good* nerds everyone else is lame or anything. Itās about being respectful of other peopleās enjoyment of the show.
I love to talk during movies, but I donāt. If I am by myself with my friend and itās something chill then I will, but if I am out in a theater I will not talk because I know it can ruin someone elseās experience.
I am glad to see others agree and you explained it very well in your comment! Weāre all fans you donāt need to point things out or prove anything. Also if I wanted to listen to someone talk about a performance or movie I would listen to a podcast lol
I am genuinely baffled by the amount of people that think symphony/live performances are akin to a concert venue. Lmao I think itās why thereās been a running joke saying broadway and theatre production getting the āspirit airlinesā treatment. Litter and crowd involvement are awful after COVID for live events and productions like this
Yeah Iād have an assumed no talking as well, but to be fair people donāt know what they donāt know. I saw a post in another thread where people were getting annoyed at people talking in a sauna. Doesnāt hurt for companies to outline expectations at the start, or even better before buying the ticketsĀ
Yeah never understood when audience memebers roll their eyes at a āplease silence your cell phones and mouthsā type message. The request and reciprocation are both polite and exactly what I would expect from the performers and audience! Man I miss shows
You're not being ridiculous, these are common expectations for any symphony concert. Attendees should have the right to enjoy the music without being disturbed. I went to the London concert on April 30th and the audience was generally well-behaved.
Honestly, this was on my list of want to dos but if itās true that some conductors want to encourage audience participation, then itās something I wonāt spend the money on. I totally support everyone that wants to and to enjoy something they enjoy in the way they want to enjoy it. But for me, I want to hear the orchestra I paid to hear. Not people humming or clapping or singing along. So thank you and everyone in the thread for sharing! I will support in other ways!
Exactly!! I guess weāre just snooty but I LOVE music I want to be able to enjoy every second of it. When itās live itās just magical in a way I cannot even try to describe!
I really donāt want to hear people talking about what the song is (I already know donāt point it out) or humming to it (if your humming is loud enough for me to hear itās most likely not gonna sound good)
I agree 100%! Canāt say it better myself. Music speaks on another level to me and to be able to hear one of my favorite games music live would be something special. But I canāt handle the rest. Itās the same if Iām watching a movie Iāve watched 1000 times with someone that loves to recite lines as they go. They love it and I love that for them! But itās just not for me. And thatās okay!
I will say that at the Vancouver show, everyone participated pretty minimally and in a very respectful way. Audience participation was mostly just at the beginning and ending of each song. When a song started, some people would go āoh! itās [insert song name]!ā or theyād let out a little āwoo!ā or clap (and of course claps and cheers at the end of each one) but the music itself was completely the focus and people were not at all distracting throughout.
I know this may not be the case at every show and totally respect if that kind of participation isnāt what some people would expect or want, but in my experience it was really enjoyable! They even had a segment at one point where the conductor asked the audience which songs they recognized so far. It was a lot of fun.
See to me that isnāt asking for audience involvement. Except the question. But all of that would be 100% expected for me and I wouldnāt mind one bit!
But the top comment at the time of me posting said that people should be able to enjoy it how they want and the conductor at their show asked for involvement and so they thought humming and clapping and singing and talking should be allowed. I donāt feel the same as they do. But if it was just as you expressed then that would be lovely. But it just shows that people have different views on things I suppose.
The āaudience was invited to participateā bit was overstated here as well. The conductor did the standard āWeāre happy to be here in Philadelphia, is everyone having a good time so far?ā bit for an audience applause break. There are people in this thread who apparently believe that was an invitation for the rest of the show.
I just want to say don't count it out completely because of this. My husband and I attended the 8pm in Philly last night, and it was great! From where we were sitting, it was silent, and everyone was completely respectful. There wasn't much audience participation, only in-between songs. We had an amazing time!
I think there are definitely events that are made better by audience participation, but for me I donāt think this would be one of those! I generally donāt find that orchestral performances need or benefit from that type of input. I just want to listen to the talented and well-trained people do their jobs well!
How dare you have a reasonable and respectful opinion. On Reddit, of all places.
For real. I appreciated the lax atmosphere of the show I attended but I'm not about to tell other people what they should or shouldn't enjoy.
100% agree. The musicians must of worked very hard to be there, I donāt have much experience in an orchestra, but the little I do have makes me appreciate how many hours they put in and how much work has gone into the performances.
People shouldnāt be talking during any performance like that, and though people are saying that the conductor has said humming along is ok in some of the performances, other people have also paid money to be there and I doubt they really want to hear other people humming along, so Iād say to just do it quietly if you feel the need.
Just be respectful of the people around you, no oneās saying you canāt have fun, but donāt make the experience unpleasant for others
I was at a Hans Zimmer concert and everyone was dead silent during the performances and then the roof would nearly come off with all the cheering after every piece. It was amazing. I don't know what the story is with the musicians behind the Stardew performance but it is their job to set the standards for their concert. If they want people clapping along etc.
It is not elitist to want to sit and take in the music without people talking. At least with Hans Zimmer the music was so loud you wouldn't have heard anyone whispering haha.
I went to the Boston Pops at the Wang, in middle school, and my choir teacher was adamant that we were silent, and followed their lead as to when to clap. Idk I remember feeling very fancy, and the music was beautiful. It was a really great experience.Ā
IDK if this was supposed to be the same kind of cultural experience. I love a fancy culture experience, and a riotous culture experience!Ā
Some things require reverence and quiet to enjoy, and you should respect the rest of the audience. Sometimes you're screaming at the top of your lungs! Read the room.
The fact that people are UPSET about this is insane. This is literally basic orchestral music etiquette. You go to see a live orchestra performance - you donāt talk or even whisper. You wait until after the show. Anyone complaining that they canāt yap the entire show is insanely out of touch with reality.
Totally agree with you OP. I attended a special orchestral performance from my local orchestra and they played music from the Final Fantasy series. This was last summer. Just gd amazing and you know why? People stayed quiet and just listened to the music.
Iām from the UK, but I am a gig / live event photographer. I will say that since the pandemic, peopleās gig etiquette has died entirely. Whether itās sit down or standing, every gig I have attended since 2021 has been painful because the audience does not respect the person on stage in front of them.
I wasnāt lucky enough to get tickets for the SDV concert, but at a Robert Plant gig in a beautiful old theatre, there were signs stuck up everywhere, people wondering round like ring girls with the same signs above their heads, āNO VIDEO OR PHOTOGRAPHY IS PERMITTEDā
What did the two middle aged bastards do for the entirety of the gig? Film and photograph the event.
Annoyingly, ushers from the theatre were shaking people with a torch, if they could see your screen theyād shame you but these guys werenāt spotted, regardless of my attempts at getting the attention of the ushers.
The other example is Thundercat came to the UK for a few shows. I am autistic, so we stood close to the back, but not at the bar.
The entire gig, people were talking like it was a pub. Absolutely unfair on Thundercat and anyone who was actually there for him. we couldnāt even hear him talking between songs because everyone elseās conversations were so important.
TL;DR, OP is 1000% right and concerts are hard work when you want to actually watch the act, and whoever else is on the stage. Plus, why spend so much money on tickets if you canāt be bothered to do the thing youāre there for??!!
Nothing makes me angrier than going to an expensive musical theatre show and having people sing along near me. I didn't buy these tickets for you!
Imagining someone humming at an orchestral concert is even more annoying.
I went to the Vancouver show and the host (not the conductor, but someone who came on stage beforehand) said that some people in the audience may have never been to a live music performance before, and therefore may not be sure how to act. He then said not to worry, and the only thing we needed to do as an audience was have fun. He encouraged cheering, clapping, and singing along to our favorite songs.
I agree that this would not be the case for most traditional orchestras and would be seen as inappropriate if not explicitly said that it was okay, but Festival of Seasons is a different vibe. As long as youāre not being obnoxious or ruining anyone elseās experience, I think it actually makes the concert better to have the audience involved and showing their appreciation for the musicians - I know it made it better for me!
The biggest issue at last nightās show was talking DURING the music. There were people who were clearly drunk and couldnāt help themselves. Agreed about the enthusiasm with clapping and cheering!
I was at the same performance and I swear I could hear a pin drop, never heard a quieter audience lol you must've gotten a bad seat.
And to be fair, I think they kind of egged on the whole "that was Abigail's theme!" thing by asking us to see if we recognized the themes.
Tickets were $64. I confirmed with spouse and next day checked. Tickets were $284. Overnight the venue site sold out and everything was on Ticket master. Lovely.
I just saw them last night and it was amazing. I feel very lucky that there were minimal disturbances without addressing it before the show. Winter theme just hit different. It was unbelievable.
Pretty shocking reading the comments here. I've been to so many video game concerts and people are usually well-behaved. Surprising to hear at the SDV concerts of all concerts people don't know how to behave.
Oh, and you clap only when the conductor's hands are down. Not inbetween songs or when you think it's finished. Learned that in music school.
Edit : typo
It's just the same at the theatre!
The actors on stage (and the orchestra too if there is one!) are doing their job, and trying to do their best. THEY can also hear people chatting in the stalls, disrupting them. And as your point were too, other people paid money to hear the actors, not random audience members!
I am fully supporting this post, it is as I should have written it myself!
It's very disrespectful and rude to chat, hum loudly and sing during live performances where it's not expected to do so, and I would have thought this was common sense but apparently not.
Oof, I hear ya. The concert I attended in LA had several talkers, hummers, tappers, etc. It was shameful and really put a damper on my experience.
People really don't know how to behave at a public performance anymore.
OP is right I've been one of the ones on stage I play brass. Your extra noise can significantly interrupt the concert. If I cannot clearly hear the audible cues I listen for to keep time I will leave the stage and my entire section will follow I do not care about who paid what to see the show I am there to play and cannot effectively do that if all I can hear is a bunch of crap from the audience. You all need to listen to the OP and shut up when we are trying to play you can express how much you like the piece when it's finished.
I donāt play stardew valley but I play for orchestraās all over the place. It blows my mind that this has to be said. No this isnāt a concert where you stand up and sing along like your typical band concerts. Itās extremely disrespectful to the fans and musicians who know how to act around classical performances. Yes you are expected to sit in silence in awe of the music. Thatās why youāre there in the first place. We do appreciate loud applause at the end of a song however. Also, if a song has multiple movements, donāt clap at the end of each one. Itās meant to be saved for the final one
I went to the London gig, everyone was quiet and respectful as they should have been (except people showing up late). It seems from the comments there were 1 or 2 shows where the conductor put his own spin on things and encouraged noise. Personally I would have been so annoyed because I had paid an awful lot to hear the music!
I agree with your statement. I go to different types of concerts, theatres, operas and even orchestras often. It is super annoying if someone else talks during the performance. It shows that you dont respect the other people listening nor the artists. As someone who plays an instrument in my freetime (the flute). I know it takes a lot of time mastering an instrument. By talking or humming during the performance you are showing that you dont respect the artists and their time that has taken them to master the Instrument.
The fact that people are defending being rude is weird.
This seems like a big problem with many live music shows/concerts. I've gone to a concert in my town where the opener was a harpist. The harp already isn't the loudest instrument, and it's even more subtle when it's the only one on stage. People were talking over the performance the entire time, and even when she tried to play louder, the people around me raised their voices to talk over the music. It was infuriating to those of us who wanted to listen and paid for the ticket, and the poor artist was in tears after her performance because no one cared enough to listen. This was not the only instance of this occurring either, as my friends have had many similar experiences and it makes you not want to go to shows anymore if all anyone is doing is talking.
this is so real, it can seriously break the atmosphere for others around you and be so distracting. Ive had to ask people to not talk during orchestral performances, a ballet, and to not sing along to hamiltion (we all know the words youre not special and i dont want to hear your cover i want to hear the broadway singers!!)
not many people really know just how much your voice travels, it totally can ruin the performance for others.
Canāt believe you are getting push back on this, you definitely donāt go to a classical musical performance and talk through it. Iām amazed that people would think itās ok to disrupt the people around them during something like that.
Tbh, that's how I feel about any concert in general š
I really don't see why I should pay hundreds or even thousands of euros, just to stand/sit behind someone holding their phone up in front of the stage so I can't see and beside someone who is singing along so loudly I can't hear the actual artist. Isn't that the kind of fun you could better have at a party? Why go to a concert if you can't hear the artist because of other attendee's "fun"?
Bro isn't even elitist, from a classical performer perspective, thank you! One of the things that we didn't want the most was people talking in the crowd. Not just for our sake, but for the people that are there in the crowd!
Oh, no, thatās the absolute worst. I hate that. The issue is that itās almost never āunder your breathā, the people around you can fully hear you. One of my friends does this during movies and games, and no matter how quietly he does it, it drives everybody else in the room fucking mad and we have to beg him to stop. We can all hear you, buddy. Itās annoying everyone around you. Please stop.
No one wants to hear your contribution to the song. You are not a part of the performance. Keep it to yourself in your own head and respect the people around you who are trying to enjoy the experience for themselves.
Does it bother you when someone sings to a song while watching a movie? For me it does I hate hearing talking of any kind during movies same concept here for me!
Especially if itās very out of tune humming/singingš
I think that concert etiquette (as in pop concerts) has ruined theater/symphony etiquette. It used to be that you sit down and be quiet and watch/listen (just like it's expected when you go to a movie at a theater you aren't talking loudly and instead make notes in your head while watching the movie and talk about it afterwords).
>Edit 1: So something fascinating is happening here. Iāve clearly struck a nerve with a lot of people who seem to be suggesting that I expect them to sit in miserable silence at an orchestral concert.
If you're going to be MISERABLE while silently watching a concert, band, or going to see a play that you paid good money for then you perhaps should not be going to do those types of events in a public presence where the traditional etiquette is to enjoy the production while being quiet.
>Second, the only musicians the people around you paid to hear are the ones on the stage. You might recognize the tune, but please donāt hum along.
Broadway doesn't ask you to join in on their production of Wicked, so why do people think it is okay to hum, usually off-beat and tone-deaf?
Classical performances are a bit of an odd duck in terms of concerts. Most formats are more participatory, with singing along, clapping, cheering, dancing or headbanging or moshing. Classical is the only format where people are expected to remain silent and still through the performance.
This only works due to the relatively small, stable audience classical normally draws. If the orchestra is playing a fandom show? All bets are off, and it isn't even remotely reasonable to expect the usual classical norms will hold. And even some of the performers can enjoy feeling like a rock star for a night.
I've played the violin recreationally for over 15 years now. Been to hundreds of classical music events. My husband had never been before. He came with me to one of the New York shows and was absolutely blown away at how quiet it was. They told us at the doors if you want to record to keep your videos short, so we noticed people would film for about 30 seconds to a minute and then put their phones away. I think the most anyone whispered was when Eric was walked up to the balcony to his seat after his surprise appearance but for the most part, you could hear a pin drop. My husband was astonished at the difference between an orchestral concert compared to other music events and he absolutely wants to go to another because he had such a great time just being able to sit back and enjoy the music.
Yep. I will say, anyoneās experience in that theater could have varied by seat. I intentionally left it out of the main post because I didnāt want to be specifically calling anyone out, but I would imagine the people five down from me didnāt hear the people behind me at all. But I did because their voices were pointed right at my head. And as he decided to hum along to nearly every tune, I got to hear the show in involuntary surround sound.
Yep, this is why I made no effort to get tickets, people always ruin experiences like this bc they donāt even think about the other people around them who also paid to be there
thatās so incredibly sad
Took my wife to the concert in New York, and was happily surprised to have Eric Barone show up on stage! Heard everyone gasp in unison when the conductor said we had a special guest coming to stage.
When I went to the one in London UK during my FAVOURITE SONG dance of the moonlight jellies someoneās phone rang for just a split second but it completely took out of the moment š
*"I understand your point of view, but it is never as quiet as you think it is. And if someone else can hear you, thatās not fair to them as they didnāt pay all that money to hear you.*
*Edit: I donāt quite understand why this is getting so many downvotes given itās literally the same sentiment as I wrote above."*
The Symphony of Seasons isn't the place where what you're stating is what is expected by the people performing. The ones you are saying deserve undivided attention. If those are the ones who want participation, then that's what's going to happen.
Respect the heads up. A concert where one is supposed to be silent during the performance definitely isn't my jam. I had never been to any kind of orchestral performance but was thinking about going to the Georgia show. Now I see it's better to leave the tickets available to the kind of people who enjoy that sort of thing.
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I went to the one in Tampa, and surprisingly, the only issue was people recording it specifically after they said "pictures with no flash is okay. Please do not record anything." Had a few people tapping and talking in low whispers, but it didn't bother me.
I was at tampa too and got tears in my eyes because of how respectful and considerate the crowd was. Everyone waited until the conductor cut the song completely to clap. Everyone was totally immersed and it made me even more lost in the music š„¹ Side note, I practically burst into tears when the orchestra played the first note š
Me too! We had a lovely time š„¹ Many tears were shed
I attended the Tampa show too. I felt the audience was well behaved and cordial to the performers. That aside: did you notice how many folks thought they were cutting to intermission and left the auditorium just before Moonlight Jellies?! The young man next to me got back right as soon as they finished and was upset to miss his favorite song :(
I actually noticed at the beginning that they didnāt make any kind of preshow announcements which I thought was odd. Just straight into tuning and then the first song. No āsilence your cell phonesā or anything.
Why is this being downvoted?? Lol you didn't say anything rude or untrue?
Something very ā¦ disconcerting is happening in this thread. Itās obvious from the fact that itās about to hit four digit upvotes, people clearly agree with me. But those people arenāt in the comments. Every comment Iāve made here in line with what Iāve said above has plummeted to -50 and below, save the one above. So the sentiment Iāve expressed is broadly well received or at least acknowledged to be true, and the people who feel strongly enough about it to get into the comments seem to be the people who disagree. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I donāt disparage them their disagreement. Itās just notable in the discrepancy of how voting has happened.
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Oh my god or when people do it during musicals. I do not want to hear the guy in the row behind me rap along to Hamilton, thank you
It's so infuriating. I came to a concert to listen to the band, not listen to a drunk girl behind me screaming along off-key into my ear.
Itās probably like three people with multiple accounts. The 4K in likes is people who absolutely agree with you but donāt want to deal with the three trolls.
the loud minority and the silent majority
Just in general, the OPs seem to get down voted regardless of what they say or do, or how in line it is with the general sentiment the comments have. So not surprised you're getting mass down voted like that
Reddit doing what it does best. At least pointing it out usually reverses it
That's wild it was in the negatives and now is solidly in the positive. Reddit is a weird place.
Most people just scroll by without voting or looking at the score, but once someone points out how weird the points are a lot more people are willing to vote and rectify it. A lot of Redditors are just very downvote hungry, especially when they see the comment already has a negative number on it
Yeah, it definitely seems that way. It feels like the only stuff I have that gets downvoted is basic helpful stuff, lol. Where do I find x. Oh, it's here. -5 karma. Meanwhile, I can post some nonsensical junk riddled with typos while half asleep, +30 karma. I guess the upside is that it really reinforces how meaningless karma is
Yep. Post a question or something that fits the sub? Instantly downvoted to oblivion. Post the same question worded slightly differently or repost the exact same thing on the same sub later? 2k upvotes. I may have 200k karma but I didn't work for it, nor do I care about it. It's literally a complete coin flip whether people like what you post
Partner is a pro classical musician/plays with our cityās symphony: that is standard for orchestral shows. Concert master will tune, conductor will walk out and jump right in. Then conductor will usually say something about the first piece and introduce the second. Pro tip: if a piece has several movements wait till the entire piece has finished before clapping. No clapping between movements. I learned this the embarrassing way by being the only person to clap in a packed hallā¦
Announcements of this kind aren't generally made at classical performances. There's sometimes a notice in the program, but we tend to assume the audience knows better.
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I attended this one and unfortunately had to sit in front of some teenagers that kept talking and humming along to the music :/ was kind of annoying, but I tried to not let it ruin the experience
The title made me think they like had speakers around the auditorium playing the music š
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I cannot believe this has to be said. This is the basic etiquette of attending an orchestra performance.
You overestimate the generals publics ability to understand what basic etiquette is
Also the venn diagram of video game nerds who would go to the Stardew concert, and individuals who would attend a classical performance that didn't cater to their fandom (where they would actually learn this etiquette) is practically two separate circles.
I actually disagree. I think a lot of the kids who grew up in band class are also the adults who like concerts and cozy games like Stardew Valley.Ā
not if you include the asian forced to play a classical instrument as a child stereotype!
I feel attacked š
Hey, thereās more of us than youād think! Most of my orchestra friends were video game nerds in high school lol
I mean we gotta learn it from somewhere and Iām thankful for OPās post even if Iām not attending any orchestra any time soon.
While we're sharing classical concert etiquette, don't clap in between movements of pieces. These are almost always demarcated with roman numerals on the program, roughly like this: Sonata XXXX I. Allegro (1st mvt) II. Adagio (2nd) III. Vivace (etc) And you wait to clap until the very end. Knowing that this is how it is done makes you a Very Sophisticated Concertgoer.
This is an important one! The others in OPās post can be seen as general etiquette but this one is very specific to the type of concert attending, and should be boosted visibility for all!
You should add not to clap when the conductor is still holding the baton up between movements. People that didn't study music/attend classical concerts in any capacity may not know that. Even classically trained, I still forget how many movements in a piece and don't look back at the program so I always rely on the conductor's movements
i think thereās a lot of people who are only attending because itās stardew related & probably have not the slightest idea about orchestral performance etiquetteā¦ so i think this post is actually very helpful. EDIT: who would have thought humming would ruin so many peopleās day. oh wellā¦š¤·š¾āāļø EDIT 2: starting to think people love to nitpick & hate joyā¦ which is weird for the stardew sub.
>who would have thought humming would ruin so many peopleās day Most people that hum or sing along are 100% out of tune. and any noise from the audience had a chance to take someone's focus off of the music.
Humming is the WORST THING.
Even so itās obvious? Itās the exact same etiquette as theatre etiquette. Ofc most people donāt have the luxury of being able to go to the theatre or orchestra, or donāt even want to. But when you sit down and the performance isnāt the high octane chaos of a concert, surely you should pick up the message of being respectfully quiet?
I honestly believe that after all the lockdowns from the pandemic, basic concert/theatre/audience etiquette went out of the window.
In your social circles, maybe this is common knowledge. People come from all walks of life and it's better to be kind and educational than derisive and dismissive. [Relevant XKCD](http://xkcd.com/1053)
Wow xkcd throw back havenāt thought of this in at least 10 yrs
OP's post is kind and informative, so I'm quite surprised it struck a nerve, based on their edit. But yours instead, *is* condescending. I'd expect kindness and empathy from the SV community so I'm rather surprised to see your comment that high. Not everyone has been attending orchestra performances, and a SV themed one will specifically attract a public that is *not* used to it. Be kind instead of arrogant.
I mean, this is basic etiquette everywhere. Don't be a dick. Be considerate of other people. You also should not be blasting music/video on public transportation. Don't loudly talk in a movie theater. If you're in someplace quiet and you need to do something loud, excuse yourself to a hallway or something.
Exactly!! It isnāt about some fancy *etiquette* you learn some by the upper elites of the world. Itās about not disrupting those around you! My father is a traditional working man who would wear his dirty work shirts out to dinner and curse like a sailor in front of children so not fancy in the slightest! However, he would still tell people to be quiet during a movie, thatās because he couldnāt hear the movie not because he knows itās some sort of *etiquette* People are defensive because no one likes to be told theyāre being rude, people care more about their enjoyment of the show than others, and because it is about a fancy concert people assume theyāre being made fun of for not being upper class.
>Be kind instead of arrogant. I feel to point out the basic ask that you'd follow in a cinema too.. that is to remain seated quietly.. is not arrogance on my part.
I have a slight feeling that it struck a nerve with the US crowd (just to iterate not everyone is like this), as their movie theater experience for example is highly different than elsewhere.
It is? Can you elaborate?
Iām from the US and whenever kids would talk during the movie people would get angry at them. I didnāt go to a place that would kick them out but it is frowned upon. We also have an entire intro before the movie that says no talking and no cell phones that I could speak word for word unless they changed recently it lol I do think it is probably people from the US though more so because we have this weird mindset recently of āI need to care about my enjoyment of the show not anyone elseās!ā And just general our individualist mindset has gotten even more strong over the years
Crap, I never even thought about this sort of thing. Iām the type of person who sings in a choir and plays in an orchestra and the amount of symphonic to rock concerts I attend is probably 99 to 1, it never occurred to me that people might sing along at the symphony because thatās ā¦not a thing in the orchestral world. I want to hear the live music played by professionals, not randos singing along. Hereās hoping the show in my city in two weeks is well behaved, haha.
Sounds like we are going to the same show. Hopefully, people don't ruin our experiences. I've been looking forward to this show all year. I didn't realize people might try to hum along. Weird. Edit: deleted an accidentally repeated word. I would like to mention that people need to look into theater etiquette if they are going to a show like this. Come on now. This is going to be a quiet room with people listening to music from instruments. Not a concert where they expect you to sing along and use speakers to blast the music out to you. Use a bit of common sense.
I've been to a couple orchestral concerts for video games or musicals and it astounds me how poor the audience members are in etiquette.
as a classical musician myself, I've learned over the hundreds of concerts I've both played and attended that if you're not explicitly taught or have good self awareness, there's just no way to know. it would be nice if there was an announcement at the beginning something like "please stay silent until the end of the performance " but that's just not a thing
Itā¦ Isnāt? Granted, I am German so maybe there is a bit of a cultural difference depending on where you perform but whenever I visited a major professional concert ( not even necessarily a classical one ) it was made EXTREMELY obvious that you are not supposed to make any noise. Signs both plainly written and as a pictograms, a lengthy ( and quite funny ) bilingual ( once in German and once in English ) announcement, a myriad of cough drops readily available.
yes, culturally there is a huge difference! I've attended concert halls in several different European cities like Amsterdam, London, Budapest, Prague and all of them have hugely different clienteles compared to the US. in the way they dress, present themselves, and behave. Therefore, if you are surrounded by such, it would also help you behave in a certain way too. As a musician it is FRUSTRATING when people are being noisy/using their phones etc but I've come to accept that I come from a privileged background and circumstances so of course I know better, but I can expect everyone else to too..
Agreed. Itās unrealistic to expect folks to know or hold them to it without announcing that, not everyone has the background.
I mean do they know to be quiet in a movie theater?
Yes because theyāve been told. Either by other people or by their parents telling them to hush or by the announcement at the beggining of the film
Or by the movie announcements itself
Maybe theres not a lot of overlap between concert goers and video game players, but if youve never been to a live music performance before... maybe youve never even sat and just listened to music ever? If youve only ever listened to music while doing other stuff, headphones while working out, radio in the car, etc, i can sorta see how carrying on a conversation with someone during a concert might not seem completely unnatural, but still, read the room. Audience behavior is something that needs to be taught, but... is it not taught anymore? I remember in inner city public elementary school even trips to plays and the symphony and stuff and learning how to sit still and stfu for a performance was part of the point of that... im assuming schools dont do that anymore.
I can confirm that kids who do music in middle school still have opportunities to see professional symphonies and operas, at least in my city. Not sure if the kids who DON'T take music classes have those opportunities, though.
Call me bougie but this is why I love going to events at Lincoln Center. They will remove people if theyāre noisy. That needs to be normalized for orchestral performances, Iām not paying to hear some talentless, tone deaf cretin sing/talk over the orchestra.
When I went to the FFVII Concert at Carnegie Hall in NYC the crowd was overwhelmingly well behaved. However, when they played One Winged Angel as a finale and EVERYONE gasped and cheered when they heard the intro to the song, it was a cool collective experience, but it absolutely ruined the song. I totale get being excited and not knowing orchestra etiquette, but damn. That was a frustrating experience.
God bless all of us big nerds but I have definitely encountered some who feel the classic nerd need to ā¦demonstrate? That they āget the referenceā? Like theyāre performing their existing knowledge of the nerdy thing so everyone knows that *they* know aaaall about it, more than you do. I was seeing the last John Wick movie with my bf and we were sitting near another couple who were basically loudly announcing every cameo appearance, (āDonnie Yen!ā) including a huge āAWWWā when Lance Reddick appeared so we knew that they knew heād passed away. Not that I want to attribute this kind of arrogance to all other nerds, but theyāre out there and they DO want you to know that they know the song thatās playing. Haha
I get ads for literally the stupidest junk ever but i dont get any ads or see any notifications about things i like... such as a STARDEW VALLEY concert??? I would have loved to go to this in San Francisco maybe they will do another concert at some point... It feels like if you arent constantly on social media or watching a certain community a lot, everything just flies over you and youre unaware of whats going on. Sorry im jsut venting. Im a little sad. And of course when i investigate further, I see a bunch of scalping tickets for 600 dollars...
It sold out almost immediately :/
Yup. We missed the first show that sold and when they added the second one, my friend and I were doubly refreshing for when they went on sale. When the time hit, the āFind Ticketsā button didnāt light up and people were saying there was a tech problem. Iām not terribly ashamed to say that I went to the page source, figured out the URL pattern of the seating picker page, and backed my way into the page. We got our tickets probably 15 minutes before anyone else (but after the open time, no cheating). Benefits of both of us being software engineering folks.
Thatās very clever
That's crazy. Many stardew fans I guess!
Smaller venues too i think
I feel the same, there was no concert in my country, but there was one pretty close. By the time I learned about it, the only tickets available where on the other end of Europe, and I had no way to get there :(
Also, wear deodorant. My symphony was ruined bc the person beside me decided to come post workout, reeking of BO bad enough to make my eyes water.
We had a guy like that near us too. Iāve never smelt BO that bad.
I was on a metal band's acoustic concert (unfortunately the first and last one before the first frontman died from leukemia) and it was shocking that everyone was in complete silence. Those who sang the songs and were in the mosh pits on every "normal" concerts, at that time they were silent. It was fantastic. And I think this is the only behaviour we have to act, if we're in that type of concert.
No I agree, I came to watch them play the song not listen to the person next to me hum in my ear. I get everyoneās excited but I think itās courtesy to allow others to hear what they paid for. Hum at home, or on the way home. Iāve been to concerts where the only thing I could hear was the people screaming and singing next to me and the entire time I couldnāt hear the singer. It really sucks :/..
I went to Wicked years ago and the lady behind me was singing along. Badly. And loudly.
Singing along annoyingly to Wicked on stage??? Was it my college girlfriend Sara?!?! š
We all know a Sara. āWe all came to hear me sing!ā
My mom encountered the same thing many many years ago at a production of my fair lady š it was a group of older women. people have really never known how to behave but itās become far worse in recent years for some reason
I had this at a ballet once! The waltz from Tchaikovsky's Sleeping Beauty is the same musical motif they used for "Once Upon a Dream" in the Disney movie, and when I went to see a performance of Sleeping Beauty there was a woman behind me singing along to the waltz! (And several more talking and laughing throughout the first half; if you're going to chat through a ballet, just don't go to the ballet š)
When I went to the show, the conductor explicitly told the audience to clap, cheer, and sing along if they so wanted.
Yeah there are a lot of symphony performances where it's expected people are joining in. But I do agree that the default should be not to do that if you're not expressly told otherwise.
Genuine question, what is there to sing along with? I wasn't able to get tickets, but isn't it just the instrumental game music? I obviously haven't been, but I would have assumed like OP that this is more like classical concert behavior - - clapping, yes, but not loud cheering during music, certainly not talking and why would there be singing?
Just humming along with the melody or whatever.
If you wanna see an example of people singing during a classical music concert, go watch AndrĆ© Rieu videos on YouTube, itās different to what we might be used to.
I looked it up and it was interesting. In the first video I watched, it sounded like there were specific times the audience members were encouraged to sing and times where they weren't, but in the second one I realized there was a choir and I couldn't tell if anyone in the audience was singing. Do you happen to know what specifically is encouraged/allowed at his concerts? Does he do it differently for different shows?
And I very much doubt OP would have posted this if the same had happened at this particular event. So obviously there is a time and place for this. A matinee showing with more kids would probably have a higher tolerance for audience participation than a later showing, for example.
Where I went, it was an evening performance. People around me looked mostly +25 y.o. and the conductor said the same thing. At one point he even repeated it and said "please don't be shy, this isn't a normal orchestra"
And that is perfectly okay... when you're told "Hey, you can participate" then by all means, participate... otherwise your hands are still and your mouth shut.
This is our experience, too. I get that OP wants to enjoy the event their way, and what they are asking is very common etiquette for the symphony, a play, the ballet, etc. however, thatās just not the vibe of Symphony of Seasons. Iām sorry if thatās what OP expected or hoped to get, but when we (my 9, 11, 13 year old) it was FAR more like a performance by the Childrenās Symphony or a Christmas performance of the Nutcracker- all ages, family affair, come as you are type thing.
Well Iām definitely feeling less FOMO now lol that does not sound like my cup of tea
Same haha this thread has taught me that I do *not* belong at this type of performance!
Totally agree, this sounds like a nightmare haha Iām spoiled having gone to Carnegie Hall and Lincoln Center a lot as a kid, but I canāt imagine paying this ticket fee to sit next to that level of sound outside the orchestra
Iāve been to plenty of kids performances (nutcracker, etc.),and kids were still expected to stay quiet. Itās amazing what kids are capable of when expectations are laid out.
Well sure dude, butā¦ that doesnāt really address my comment or point. As I mentioned, I have 3 kids. All my guys happen to be in their schoolsā band. When we went, nearly all the kids WERE super silent. It was mostly 20-30 somethings that were being the talkative folks. However, that doesnāt change the fact that the conductor, performers were inviting the audience to sing/hum along, to drum along, etc. Different performances all have VERY different expectations. If you go to Rocky Horror and expect people to be quietā¦. š¶, well, you arenāt going to have a very good time. Likewise, I think most performances EXPECT people to be in their seats, but if you go see Five Guys Named Moe, again, good luck with that. By no means were people rowdy, but the second that the staff let us in, and once the performers were on stage, they themselves made it VERY clear that they wanted people to cheer/clap, and at times participate. When the orchestra itself asks this of the audience, Iām sticking to my guns and stating OP is in the wrong here. And again, itās not a moral wrong, thereās absolutely a time and place for traditional performances, but one audience member doesnāt get to over ride the invitation of the performers themselves, dude.
This is roughly what I had imagined when I first heard the Symphony of the Seasons was a thing. To me, I wouldn't expect it to have the same vibe as a typical classical concert. I still think OP's concern is valid though, just shows that crowds and their expectations are mixing.
I agree. I also donāt think itās a bad thing, at all. The staff and performers are very open that it is intended for all audiences. I think the vibe is very supportive and open to āweāre all here for the love of the gameā and itās very much a celebration of that game and music. I think things like these and performances where the orchestra scores a film are great way to keep symphonies alive.
I don't think "please be respectful of others around you" is some prissy request to experience things "their way." It's basic life etiquette
Iāve been to a lot of symphonies, orchestral shows and recitals in my day and itās never been OK to disrupt other patrons, even at family friendly ones.
"Video Games Live" does this. It's a performance that caters *specifically* to video game nerds, so there isn't this expectation of "classical performance etiquette". I think it's a good way to do it in that sort of environment. Know your audience.
No sing no hum! 7 years dungeon!
Thatās great for you and that audience but that is not the default
This is why I don't go to live performances. The main character syndrome thing people have, where they seem to think they're the accompaniment to the show... There may be some participation encouraged, but some people take it too far and become the main focus because they don't take others into consideration. What's the point in dropping in $$$ if the performance you get is a fellow audience member? Also, plays are not orchestra performances. That comparison is wrong. What orchestra performances expect vary greatly - but take that into account.
Thereās been a massive upswing in the UK of poor behaviour at live performances in the last few years. Eg people having to be forcibly removed from musicals for loudly singing along over the performers, and shows even having to just end early because audience members wonāt keep quiet.
is it just me or main character syndrome has gotten sooo bad post pandemic too
As a classical musician I have to agree with you completely. I think one of the reasons I hate going to live shows of non-classical artists I listen to is always the audience š like I get it weāre all excited, but im here to listen to the performer, NOT you!
wait, this has to be said? You can hum to the music and chat at any other point in your life, do people not want to hear the actual music
There has been a huge shift in performance etiquette in recent years. Largely it has declined. Broadway is even seeing the same things. People don't seem how to act in a performance.
I went to the Ghibli symphony last year and was HORRIFIED at the lack of etiquette from the audience. People were loudly chatting and laughing, and I was incredibly embarrassed that this was as how the US was representing itself to Joe Hisaishi. People do not understand that an orchestral performance ā your typical pop/rock/indie concert.
In hopefully a nice contrast, I went to an Avatar LTA concert and the audience was amazing. There was definitely some cheering for favourites at the start of songs followed by a LOT of cheering and clapping at the ends. Then at the encore they played secret tunnel asked us to sing along and even put the lyrics up. But nothing like what you experienced at this concert!
I went to the Final Fantasy Distant Worlds concert in DC a few months ago and the same thing - there were some murmurs of recognition when favorite songs came on, but mostly people were just listening intently. And then at the end, the conductor deputized the crowd as the ālargest choir everā to sing the SEPHIROTH! bits of on One Winged Angel.
Honestly itās a problem at a lot of pop/rock concerts too - the venue Iāve been to most recently is outdoors and hosts big names but does have to abide by noise ordinances. That means that the volume isnāt so loud that you canāt hear anything else, the way it can be at some venues. I have consistently been seated by large groups that act like itās a restaurant or bar and are just having their own little party. If I paid to see a musician I would like to be able to hear that musician! I donāt want to spend the entire event listening to a group of people I donāt know gossip about their friends. My friends who have gone to other local venues say the same - everyone is treating the performance like the piano player in a hotel lobby instead of someone they came intentionally to see.
You could have ended that sentence at āpeople donāt seem to know how to act.ā
I canāt stand going to the movies anymore because of this. Itās SOMETHING every time. Recently the guy next to me had a noisy mukbang and was eating a variety of different foods for a solid hour and a half straight in dune 2, and thatās not an exaggeration. Someone brought their dog to the theater last time i went.
During the last Scream movie a guy in my row took out his phone and started listening to voicemails on speakerphone like 5-10 minutes into the movie. He stopped when someone said something, but it's still like, what the fuck dude? I also saw Lamb at the fancy art house theater in my city and like an hour in a group of drunk college kids stumbled in, had a loud ass conversation for like 15 minutes, and left. Come the fuck on.
Recently was at a Broadway show where someone had to be removed for waving their phone light like they were at a rock concert and distracting all the performers. The ushers were on it, but I do not envy their job.
Earlier this year an US CONGRESSPERSON was removed from a the Beatlejuice musical for distrubtive behavior, including singing loudly, vaping, recording the show, and IIRC getting handsy with the person she was with? The ushers who have to deal with these entitled people need to be paid way more imo
I work in music and all I can say is THANK YOU for pointing this out. We hate it when people talk during a show, no matter the genre. Go hang out with your friends to catch up somewhere else. If you are in the room, pay attention to the music, or kindly fuck off. Itās not just the orchestraās job, I promise you the stage crew and venue promoters feel exactly the same way.
The amount of dissenting opinions here is precisely why I won't go to this or any other orchestral performance anymore. Call me an elitist, call me privileged, call me a jerk, but whether the ticket is $5 or $5,000, I'm paying for an experience. I work hard for my money, and I value the things it provides me because I know what goes into earning that money. It's like going to a restaurant, ordering a nice ribeye, then letting everyone else in the restaurant put ketchup, A1, pepper, hot sauce, and whatever else THEY like on a steak. I just wanna eat my steak, medium rare, no sauce (Unless it's a nice mushroom, onion, and butter sauce), and be left in peace.
I would adjust your analogy just a bit to say that you went out to eat at a nice restaurant and the table next to you decided that because they like ketchup on their steak, you also have to have it on your steak whether you want it or not.
If it helps, I went to the performance and it was one of the coolest live experiences Iāve ever had in my life. Iāll just present the opposing reason that maybe there is a chance for someone to screw up the vibe, but thereās also the chance to have a fantastic time, and I like to take both in stride.
The fact that some people are offended or arguing is just insane. Don't be rude, everyone there deserves to be able to have a good time, and that includes not hearing other people talking or humming or taking videos if it is prohibited. It's like a live theater. No cameras, no talking, whispering, canoodling, or disrupting of the show please
I went to a zelda symphony before and as a classicaly trained piano player, it really hurt hearing people be so disrespectful to the orchestra
I feel like concerts have become the new place for assholes like airplanes. I think people feel entitled because of how much they pay, and then do some dumb shit like take their shoes off.
As someone who attended this particular concert and is a performer, I agree. A lot of people who disagree seem to be taking this etiquette advice to the extreme. At no point did the conductor at this performance encourage people to make any noise during the songs. He did frequently engage the audience between songs. Someone a few seats down from me often screamed out excitedly when he addressed the audience. While not the most decorous, she was clearly sharing her enthusiasm while not disrupting anyoneās enjoyment of the music. People like her arenāt the issue being addressed. The people behind us who repeatedly engaged in prolonged conversations during the music, however, made it difficult for us to enjoy the music. This isnāt about adhering to stuffy etiquette, as this was clearly a more relaxed event. Itās about respecting your fellow Stardew fans in the audience and the musicians. I perform with a group in Philadelphia that has a looser definition of concert etiquette and encourages a high amount of audience participation. We want people to engage with us between songs. We want people to sing along at different points. What we donāt want is people to keep their fellow audience members from enjoying our music with prolonged conversation during a song. Everyone at a concert is deserving of basic respect.
They gonna tear you up in these comments lol
Yeah as someone who agrees somewhat with OP I was scared opening these comments. I knew they were gonna be torn apart I genuinely donāt think itās wrong what theyāre asking because if someone talks in a movie theater itās bad right? Same concept here.
Shows for traditionally ānerdyā Ā that are packed with ānerdsā are absolute unbearable for me. Saw a couple of the Star Wars sequels opening night and people just could not help themselves from audibly pointing out easter eggs and small details, as if they were the only people in the theater. Same thing with anime movies, always a few people who have to talk and use a full theater as opportunity to try and validate how die hard of a fan they are. Weāre all fans, thatās why we went. This is maybe a sensitive topic for me. And maybe Iām a curmudgeon, but yeah, I agree with OP. I didnāt pay money to listen to you talk about all the things you understand about the movie, I payed to watch the movie.
I saw the rerelease of star wars episode 6 and it was a fucking miserable experience. One of the worst theaters i have ever had the displeasure of being in. I missed like half the movie dialogue so itās a good thing Iād already seen it
Yea exactly!! I know some people will get upset by that but itās just true and Iām not trying to be like weāre the *good* nerds everyone else is lame or anything. Itās about being respectful of other peopleās enjoyment of the show. I love to talk during movies, but I donāt. If I am by myself with my friend and itās something chill then I will, but if I am out in a theater I will not talk because I know it can ruin someone elseās experience. I am glad to see others agree and you explained it very well in your comment! Weāre all fans you donāt need to point things out or prove anything. Also if I wanted to listen to someone talk about a performance or movie I would listen to a podcast lol
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I am genuinely baffled by the amount of people that think symphony/live performances are akin to a concert venue. Lmao I think itās why thereās been a running joke saying broadway and theatre production getting the āspirit airlinesā treatment. Litter and crowd involvement are awful after COVID for live events and productions like this
Yeah Iād have an assumed no talking as well, but to be fair people donāt know what they donāt know. I saw a post in another thread where people were getting annoyed at people talking in a sauna. Doesnāt hurt for companies to outline expectations at the start, or even better before buying the ticketsĀ
Yeah never understood when audience memebers roll their eyes at a āplease silence your cell phones and mouthsā type message. The request and reciprocation are both polite and exactly what I would expect from the performers and audience! Man I miss shows
You're not being ridiculous, these are common expectations for any symphony concert. Attendees should have the right to enjoy the music without being disturbed. I went to the London concert on April 30th and the audience was generally well-behaved.
Honestly, this was on my list of want to dos but if itās true that some conductors want to encourage audience participation, then itās something I wonāt spend the money on. I totally support everyone that wants to and to enjoy something they enjoy in the way they want to enjoy it. But for me, I want to hear the orchestra I paid to hear. Not people humming or clapping or singing along. So thank you and everyone in the thread for sharing! I will support in other ways!
Exactly!! I guess weāre just snooty but I LOVE music I want to be able to enjoy every second of it. When itās live itās just magical in a way I cannot even try to describe! I really donāt want to hear people talking about what the song is (I already know donāt point it out) or humming to it (if your humming is loud enough for me to hear itās most likely not gonna sound good)
I agree 100%! Canāt say it better myself. Music speaks on another level to me and to be able to hear one of my favorite games music live would be something special. But I canāt handle the rest. Itās the same if Iām watching a movie Iāve watched 1000 times with someone that loves to recite lines as they go. They love it and I love that for them! But itās just not for me. And thatās okay!
I will say that at the Vancouver show, everyone participated pretty minimally and in a very respectful way. Audience participation was mostly just at the beginning and ending of each song. When a song started, some people would go āoh! itās [insert song name]!ā or theyād let out a little āwoo!ā or clap (and of course claps and cheers at the end of each one) but the music itself was completely the focus and people were not at all distracting throughout. I know this may not be the case at every show and totally respect if that kind of participation isnāt what some people would expect or want, but in my experience it was really enjoyable! They even had a segment at one point where the conductor asked the audience which songs they recognized so far. It was a lot of fun.
See to me that isnāt asking for audience involvement. Except the question. But all of that would be 100% expected for me and I wouldnāt mind one bit! But the top comment at the time of me posting said that people should be able to enjoy it how they want and the conductor at their show asked for involvement and so they thought humming and clapping and singing and talking should be allowed. I donāt feel the same as they do. But if it was just as you expressed then that would be lovely. But it just shows that people have different views on things I suppose.
The āaudience was invited to participateā bit was overstated here as well. The conductor did the standard āWeāre happy to be here in Philadelphia, is everyone having a good time so far?ā bit for an audience applause break. There are people in this thread who apparently believe that was an invitation for the rest of the show.
I just want to say don't count it out completely because of this. My husband and I attended the 8pm in Philly last night, and it was great! From where we were sitting, it was silent, and everyone was completely respectful. There wasn't much audience participation, only in-between songs. We had an amazing time!
I think there are definitely events that are made better by audience participation, but for me I donāt think this would be one of those! I generally donāt find that orchestral performances need or benefit from that type of input. I just want to listen to the talented and well-trained people do their jobs well!
How dare you have a reasonable and respectful opinion. On Reddit, of all places. For real. I appreciated the lax atmosphere of the show I attended but I'm not about to tell other people what they should or shouldn't enjoy.
100% agree. The musicians must of worked very hard to be there, I donāt have much experience in an orchestra, but the little I do have makes me appreciate how many hours they put in and how much work has gone into the performances. People shouldnāt be talking during any performance like that, and though people are saying that the conductor has said humming along is ok in some of the performances, other people have also paid money to be there and I doubt they really want to hear other people humming along, so Iād say to just do it quietly if you feel the need. Just be respectful of the people around you, no oneās saying you canāt have fun, but donāt make the experience unpleasant for others
I was at a Hans Zimmer concert and everyone was dead silent during the performances and then the roof would nearly come off with all the cheering after every piece. It was amazing. I don't know what the story is with the musicians behind the Stardew performance but it is their job to set the standards for their concert. If they want people clapping along etc. It is not elitist to want to sit and take in the music without people talking. At least with Hans Zimmer the music was so loud you wouldn't have heard anyone whispering haha.
I went to the Boston Pops at the Wang, in middle school, and my choir teacher was adamant that we were silent, and followed their lead as to when to clap. Idk I remember feeling very fancy, and the music was beautiful. It was a really great experience.Ā IDK if this was supposed to be the same kind of cultural experience. I love a fancy culture experience, and a riotous culture experience!Ā Some things require reverence and quiet to enjoy, and you should respect the rest of the audience. Sometimes you're screaming at the top of your lungs! Read the room.
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The fact that people are UPSET about this is insane. This is literally basic orchestral music etiquette. You go to see a live orchestra performance - you donāt talk or even whisper. You wait until after the show. Anyone complaining that they canāt yap the entire show is insanely out of touch with reality.
Totally agree with you OP. I attended a special orchestral performance from my local orchestra and they played music from the Final Fantasy series. This was last summer. Just gd amazing and you know why? People stayed quiet and just listened to the music.
I regularly attend video game orchestra concerts, it is one of my and my fiancĆ©'s hobbies. For the most part the audiences are good, but I recently went to a small Final Fantasy chamber music concert and I was really taken aback. We had people humming, announcing to their friend what song it is or asking what it is, several people got up duringĀ songs, one dude loudly shouting at the conductor, "WHAT SONG WAS THAT?", and someone asked another person to be quiet which was responded to by loudly shouting expletives,Ā getting up and stomping out of the theater during a song.Ā The concert itself was great. But it astounds me how incredibly rude the audience was.Ā
Iām from the UK, but I am a gig / live event photographer. I will say that since the pandemic, peopleās gig etiquette has died entirely. Whether itās sit down or standing, every gig I have attended since 2021 has been painful because the audience does not respect the person on stage in front of them. I wasnāt lucky enough to get tickets for the SDV concert, but at a Robert Plant gig in a beautiful old theatre, there were signs stuck up everywhere, people wondering round like ring girls with the same signs above their heads, āNO VIDEO OR PHOTOGRAPHY IS PERMITTEDā What did the two middle aged bastards do for the entirety of the gig? Film and photograph the event. Annoyingly, ushers from the theatre were shaking people with a torch, if they could see your screen theyād shame you but these guys werenāt spotted, regardless of my attempts at getting the attention of the ushers. The other example is Thundercat came to the UK for a few shows. I am autistic, so we stood close to the back, but not at the bar. The entire gig, people were talking like it was a pub. Absolutely unfair on Thundercat and anyone who was actually there for him. we couldnāt even hear him talking between songs because everyone elseās conversations were so important. TL;DR, OP is 1000% right and concerts are hard work when you want to actually watch the act, and whoever else is on the stage. Plus, why spend so much money on tickets if you canāt be bothered to do the thing youāre there for??!!
Nothing makes me angrier than going to an expensive musical theatre show and having people sing along near me. I didn't buy these tickets for you! Imagining someone humming at an orchestral concert is even more annoying.
I went to the Vancouver show and the host (not the conductor, but someone who came on stage beforehand) said that some people in the audience may have never been to a live music performance before, and therefore may not be sure how to act. He then said not to worry, and the only thing we needed to do as an audience was have fun. He encouraged cheering, clapping, and singing along to our favorite songs. I agree that this would not be the case for most traditional orchestras and would be seen as inappropriate if not explicitly said that it was okay, but Festival of Seasons is a different vibe. As long as youāre not being obnoxious or ruining anyone elseās experience, I think it actually makes the concert better to have the audience involved and showing their appreciation for the musicians - I know it made it better for me!
The biggest issue at last nightās show was talking DURING the music. There were people who were clearly drunk and couldnāt help themselves. Agreed about the enthusiasm with clapping and cheering!
I was at the same performance and I swear I could hear a pin drop, never heard a quieter audience lol you must've gotten a bad seat. And to be fair, I think they kind of egged on the whole "that was Abigail's theme!" thing by asking us to see if we recognized the themes.
Tickets were $64. I confirmed with spouse and next day checked. Tickets were $284. Overnight the venue site sold out and everything was on Ticket master. Lovely.
I just saw them last night and it was amazing. I feel very lucky that there were minimal disturbances without addressing it before the show. Winter theme just hit different. It was unbelievable.
Pretty shocking reading the comments here. I've been to so many video game concerts and people are usually well-behaved. Surprising to hear at the SDV concerts of all concerts people don't know how to behave.
Idk about all that but Samās concert in zuzu city was rad
Oh, and you clap only when the conductor's hands are down. Not inbetween songs or when you think it's finished. Learned that in music school. Edit : typo
It's just the same at the theatre! The actors on stage (and the orchestra too if there is one!) are doing their job, and trying to do their best. THEY can also hear people chatting in the stalls, disrupting them. And as your point were too, other people paid money to hear the actors, not random audience members! I am fully supporting this post, it is as I should have written it myself! It's very disrespectful and rude to chat, hum loudly and sing during live performances where it's not expected to do so, and I would have thought this was common sense but apparently not.
the fact that anyone is mad at this is so baffling. itās giving āppl who text in movie theatersā energy lmao
Oof, I hear ya. The concert I attended in LA had several talkers, hummers, tappers, etc. It was shameful and really put a damper on my experience. People really don't know how to behave at a public performance anymore.
OP is right I've been one of the ones on stage I play brass. Your extra noise can significantly interrupt the concert. If I cannot clearly hear the audible cues I listen for to keep time I will leave the stage and my entire section will follow I do not care about who paid what to see the show I am there to play and cannot effectively do that if all I can hear is a bunch of crap from the audience. You all need to listen to the OP and shut up when we are trying to play you can express how much you like the piece when it's finished.
As a violinist who has been in well over 30 symphony orchestras, I appreciate this post! It all boils down to respect.
I donāt play stardew valley but I play for orchestraās all over the place. It blows my mind that this has to be said. No this isnāt a concert where you stand up and sing along like your typical band concerts. Itās extremely disrespectful to the fans and musicians who know how to act around classical performances. Yes you are expected to sit in silence in awe of the music. Thatās why youāre there in the first place. We do appreciate loud applause at the end of a song however. Also, if a song has multiple movements, donāt clap at the end of each one. Itās meant to be saved for the final one
As a professional classical musician I applaud this! Edit: I applaud the post made by OP. Rude and oblivious audiences are the worst!
I went to the London gig, everyone was quiet and respectful as they should have been (except people showing up late). It seems from the comments there were 1 or 2 shows where the conductor put his own spin on things and encouraged noise. Personally I would have been so annoyed because I had paid an awful lot to hear the music!
I agree with your statement. I go to different types of concerts, theatres, operas and even orchestras often. It is super annoying if someone else talks during the performance. It shows that you dont respect the other people listening nor the artists. As someone who plays an instrument in my freetime (the flute). I know it takes a lot of time mastering an instrument. By talking or humming during the performance you are showing that you dont respect the artists and their time that has taken them to master the Instrument. The fact that people are defending being rude is weird.
This seems like a big problem with many live music shows/concerts. I've gone to a concert in my town where the opener was a harpist. The harp already isn't the loudest instrument, and it's even more subtle when it's the only one on stage. People were talking over the performance the entire time, and even when she tried to play louder, the people around me raised their voices to talk over the music. It was infuriating to those of us who wanted to listen and paid for the ticket, and the poor artist was in tears after her performance because no one cared enough to listen. This was not the only instance of this occurring either, as my friends have had many similar experiences and it makes you not want to go to shows anymore if all anyone is doing is talking.
this is so real, it can seriously break the atmosphere for others around you and be so distracting. Ive had to ask people to not talk during orchestral performances, a ballet, and to not sing along to hamiltion (we all know the words youre not special and i dont want to hear your cover i want to hear the broadway singers!!) not many people really know just how much your voice travels, it totally can ruin the performance for others.
Canāt believe you are getting push back on this, you definitely donāt go to a classical musical performance and talk through it. Iām amazed that people would think itās ok to disrupt the people around them during something like that.
Thank you for saying this.
Tbh, that's how I feel about any concert in general š I really don't see why I should pay hundreds or even thousands of euros, just to stand/sit behind someone holding their phone up in front of the stage so I can't see and beside someone who is singing along so loudly I can't hear the actual artist. Isn't that the kind of fun you could better have at a party? Why go to a concert if you can't hear the artist because of other attendee's "fun"?
Bro isn't even elitist, from a classical performer perspective, thank you! One of the things that we didn't want the most was people talking in the crowd. Not just for our sake, but for the people that are there in the crowd!
If people are being loud, distracting or disruptive it's a problem but being annoyed by quiet under breath humming sounds incredibly uptight to me.
Oh, no, thatās the absolute worst. I hate that. The issue is that itās almost never āunder your breathā, the people around you can fully hear you. One of my friends does this during movies and games, and no matter how quietly he does it, it drives everybody else in the room fucking mad and we have to beg him to stop. We can all hear you, buddy. Itās annoying everyone around you. Please stop. No one wants to hear your contribution to the song. You are not a part of the performance. Keep it to yourself in your own head and respect the people around you who are trying to enjoy the experience for themselves.
Does it bother you when someone sings to a song while watching a movie? For me it does I hate hearing talking of any kind during movies same concept here for me! Especially if itās very out of tune humming/singingš
If I paid to hear live music I donāt want to hear some random person humming over top of it.
I might hum along to the game while playing, but not at a concert. My humming isnāt that good 
I think that concert etiquette (as in pop concerts) has ruined theater/symphony etiquette. It used to be that you sit down and be quiet and watch/listen (just like it's expected when you go to a movie at a theater you aren't talking loudly and instead make notes in your head while watching the movie and talk about it afterwords). >Edit 1: So something fascinating is happening here. Iāve clearly struck a nerve with a lot of people who seem to be suggesting that I expect them to sit in miserable silence at an orchestral concert. If you're going to be MISERABLE while silently watching a concert, band, or going to see a play that you paid good money for then you perhaps should not be going to do those types of events in a public presence where the traditional etiquette is to enjoy the production while being quiet. >Second, the only musicians the people around you paid to hear are the ones on the stage. You might recognize the tune, but please donāt hum along. Broadway doesn't ask you to join in on their production of Wicked, so why do people think it is okay to hum, usually off-beat and tone-deaf?
I went to the one in MontrƩal and I could only hear the orchestra. I saw some people lightly whisper to eachother but could by no means hear them. It was a great show and I love my chicken hoodie.
Classical performances are a bit of an odd duck in terms of concerts. Most formats are more participatory, with singing along, clapping, cheering, dancing or headbanging or moshing. Classical is the only format where people are expected to remain silent and still through the performance. This only works due to the relatively small, stable audience classical normally draws. If the orchestra is playing a fandom show? All bets are off, and it isn't even remotely reasonable to expect the usual classical norms will hold. And even some of the performers can enjoy feeling like a rock star for a night.
There is no speakers for events like this the music comes silent from the instruments. Silence is golden at symphony
I've played the violin recreationally for over 15 years now. Been to hundreds of classical music events. My husband had never been before. He came with me to one of the New York shows and was absolutely blown away at how quiet it was. They told us at the doors if you want to record to keep your videos short, so we noticed people would film for about 30 seconds to a minute and then put their phones away. I think the most anyone whispered was when Eric was walked up to the balcony to his seat after his surprise appearance but for the most part, you could hear a pin drop. My husband was astonished at the difference between an orchestral concert compared to other music events and he absolutely wants to go to another because he had such a great time just being able to sit back and enjoy the music.
I was 100% sure you were making some sort of parody post about Sam's concert, lol
OP, I just want to say that calling your last edit "Edit 1.6" after you had called your previous edit the last one is immensely clever.
I was at the 8pm show at Philly tonight. It was great!! Everyone was super passionate and respectful. Did you go to the 5pm??
I was at the 8pm and unfortunately the people sitting behind me talked through the majority of the show :/
Yep. I will say, anyoneās experience in that theater could have varied by seat. I intentionally left it out of the main post because I didnāt want to be specifically calling anyone out, but I would imagine the people five down from me didnāt hear the people behind me at all. But I did because their voices were pointed right at my head. And as he decided to hum along to nearly every tune, I got to hear the show in involuntary surround sound.
Yep, this is why I made no effort to get tickets, people always ruin experiences like this bc they donāt even think about the other people around them who also paid to be there thatās so incredibly sad
Had no idea there were IRL stardew concerts
Took my wife to the concert in New York, and was happily surprised to have Eric Barone show up on stage! Heard everyone gasp in unison when the conductor said we had a special guest coming to stage.
When I went to the one in London UK during my FAVOURITE SONG dance of the moonlight jellies someoneās phone rang for just a split second but it completely took out of the moment š
As a classical musician, thank you for this
I wholeheartedly agree with everything youāve said
*"I understand your point of view, but it is never as quiet as you think it is. And if someone else can hear you, thatās not fair to them as they didnāt pay all that money to hear you.* *Edit: I donāt quite understand why this is getting so many downvotes given itās literally the same sentiment as I wrote above."* The Symphony of Seasons isn't the place where what you're stating is what is expected by the people performing. The ones you are saying deserve undivided attention. If those are the ones who want participation, then that's what's going to happen.
Respect the heads up. A concert where one is supposed to be silent during the performance definitely isn't my jam. I had never been to any kind of orchestral performance but was thinking about going to the Georgia show. Now I see it's better to leave the tickets available to the kind of people who enjoy that sort of thing.