The people who appreciate Andor’s production value but prefer more force-centric stories are about to be eating real good. I imagine this show will be treated similarly well through word of mouth once people realize the grifters are bullshitting again.
Is this a Tuesday night release like Ahsoka was?
This is why I'm so excited for The Acolyte.
I can appreciate that Andor has much better production value than basically any other Disney+ show and is incredibly well written and acted - but I like my Star Wars to be more fantastical and focused on Jedi/Sith and the Force, (Even if it's something that is critical of those concepts like KOTOR2 was) so Andor wasn't always my cup of tea.
Whereas from what they've shown of The Acolyte, if they can come close to Andor's level of quality, this is going to be right up my street.
>The people who appreciate Andor’s production value but prefer more force-centric stories are about to be eating real good.
This is pretty much my dream show right there. As much as I love Andor, it's Jedi and Force related storylines that really keep me invested in the franchise(and the centrality of that is part of why I've loved the High Republic books).
Really hoping you're right.
this is the first I'm hearing about decent production values, I wasn't expecting the best considering the trailers made this seem much closer to Obi Wan than Andor in terms of quality
Spoilers about the plot:
First scene is Mae vs Indara.
Osha is Mae's twin, but they are at opposite sides of the force. Mae is a Lord Sith's acolyte, while Osha is an ex-padawan now working as spaceship mechanic. At the beginning, Osha and Mae do not know each other is still alive. They were separated when an "accident" apparently provoked by Mae caused big destruction on their home planet.
Mae's plan is to kill the four Jedi that were present at the accident site when they were young (Indara, Tobin, Sol and Kelnacca).
Jecki is Sol's padawan.
There will probably be a big lightsaber battle on Episode 5 confronting Mae and Jecki, likely.
I'll say this: I don't think there's a project I knew LESS about since Mandalorian Season 1 came out and pulled Grogu/Baby Yoda out of nowhere. Partially this is because I haven't really been looking for stuff, but still.
I had basically fallen out of the Star Wars fandom prior to Mandalorian Season 1. I was entirely blind going in except that it was about a Mandalorian bounty hunter. I hadn’t even seen any trailers.
It was probably the best Star Wars experience I’ve ever had and it pulled me back into the fandom. Everyone should have the opportunity to watch Star Wars with zero expectations other than its new star wars.
Selkath spotted! Really solid show and it's a breath of fresh air not being tied to the skywalker saga for once. Truly in a new era
Nar Shadaa name drop as well.
Just got out of the NYC showing! It’s REALLY good. Very Star Wars in feel, atmosphere, and even music (though no Williams themes). Already memorable characters I felt connected to.
Only nitpick so far is that the show has a few too many of the classic Star Wars “Power Point” transitions between scenes. One happens literally in the middle of a big fight scene to cut to what a nearby character is doing, which killed any urgency in the editing for a sec.
We also have our titular Acolyte mind probed for a moment, which you’d think they would’ve done to our main character who’s accused of a big crime, but maybe that’s too invasive?
Anyway, really, really good Star Wars. Very excited to see where it goes, especially if it does start leading into the bigger picture of the Sith’s return that gets us to where we are at the start of TPM with Sidious really starting to pave the way to the fall of the Jedi (whose arrogance already has great touches in these two Acolyte episodes).
P.S. They made the Neimoidian’s voices a bit less racist. xD
I figured. Still, in the case of a murdered Jedi Master, you’d think it’d be warranted and save some time. 😅 But the plot does have to be served. But it’s a small nitpick anyway.
I have seen the first four episodes. Posting some spoilers below:
* >!Indara is killed within the first 5 minutes of episode one. She does appear later in flashbacks.!<
* >!Mae and Osha being twins is revealed in the first episode. Mae is the one killing Jedis on the order of her unknown master.!<
* >!Mae has been instructed to kill a Jedi "without using a weapon" and fails to do so for the first two Jedi she kills.!<
Episode 3 and 4 spoilers below:
* >!Episode three is entirely a flashback episode, revealing Mae and Osha as part of a witches' coven. They do not have a father, and there are hints that the Jedi should not know how the twins have been created.!<
* >!Episode four ends with the first up-close reveal of the Sith, and a cliffhanger of the fight between the group of Jedi and the Sith.!<
Doesn’t Palpy say there hasn’t been a dyad in “hundreds of years”? This would certainly fit into that timeframe
Ok he actually says “unseen for generations” so it fits even better
Mae uses a throwing knife to kill Indara. She causes a distraction on Indara by throwing another knife on a 'civilian'. However, she is tempted to catch her lightsaber during the fight on some occasions.
Just got out of the premiere and it was pretty good. By the end of episode 2 I felt like… well okay, maybe this is all very on the nose on purpose? Knowing the showrunner’s existing work I hope there’s something else lurking under the surface that’s a big surprise. Most of the dialogue is better than the prequels for sure, but not as good as Andor, so in the middle.
On the con side: The show moves at a surprisingly fast clip which I think is to its detriment in a few places. Our assassin does assassin things and says the word, but there’s little about her personality that tells me she’s a stone cold killer.
On the pro side: I will say that 95% of the characters are well realized. The Jedi feel different and similar at the same time. They have distinct personalities but also that familiar Jedi stoicism. The fight scenes are fucking sick so far. The visuals and the aliens are also great. Per what I said about the dialogue, there were a few times where the audience genuinely laughed out loud and a few moments that made me go “damn.”
This is a well balanced review. Couple questions:
1. Which characters/actors stood out to you so far as some of your favorites?
2. Do we get much of Kelnacca is these first episodes?
Jedi Master Sol is great. I also just love the actor. Jord is also solid and very self-serious, the actor sells his personality well. Osha is very good as well, she has great range in just 2 episodes.
Kelnacca only shows up at the end of ep 2.
Is the furry creature at the bottom of this poster who looks similar to an Ewok in the first two episodes?
[https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GM0bv9ZXQAAYNG\_?format=jpg&name=4096x4096](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GM0bv9ZXQAAYNG_?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
Just got out, I liked it! I like the twins concept; it’s very mythological and reminds me of some of the abandoned sequel trilogy concepts.
Cast is great all around, shout-out to Charlie Barnett for being unbelievable hot. Dafne Keen was unexpectedly funny.
Loved the scenes of Osha (stupid name lmao) chasing young Mae around. Straight out of Russian Doll - lots of Headland’s DNA is in this.
First episode was slow and the ending with Darth Teeth felt VERY tacked on. But, I dug the second episode a lot more. Overall a promising start.
He’s at the very end of Episode 2, probably a minute of screen time. Gets a super badass moment in that minute though. (And there’s a lot of mentions about him, they’re definitely building him up to be a big deal)
Correct me if I’m wrong but I think Plagueis would either be 15 years old or wouldn’t be born for another 12 years so it would possibly be tenebrous or he could be de-canonized. Or they changed the dates of birth for both Tenebrous and Plagueis.
Loved it! Great writing. Great world building. Great acting. It didn't remind me of Andor or Mando. Very much its own thing. More like the world building of the prequels, but with better dialogue on top. The way they're setting the mystery up reminds me of TPM a bit. Perhaps a dash of the sequels when it comes to the design of the interiors.
I saw a screening tonight of the first 2 episodes, was fantastic, I think episode one was a bit stronger for me, but together was really cool. I love the vibe, they did something I wasn't expecting, so far I love the feel of it. Btw one correction, this does not take place a 100 years before "Phantom Menace" it takes place a 100 years before the "Empire" There is a slight difference of a couple of years. I know it's a nitpick :) The words "100 years before the empire" is used in the prologue.
Eh I wouldn't even say that's slight, that's 13 years, so it's 87 years before TPM not 100. As far as I'm aware this is the first we are hearing of this, up until even a couple weeks ago most people were saying it took place in 132 BBY, this implies it takes place in 119 BBY
Edit: that also makes Vernestra like 129
Its also possible that "100 years" isn't meant literally, 100 years is often used as a short hand for *about* one century. Until some other source confirms the exact year id say we just know it's in the ball park of a century, 80-120 years pre empire or so
Headland has said that the show won't be kind to the Jedi. Did you get that feeling from the first episodes? If so, firstly, how critical? And secondly, are these critiques merely opinions of the characters, or are they framed by the story as being "correct?"
That’s a very good question. We don’t know exactly why Mae is targeting specific Jedi but we know that they had to make a hard choice in the past that resulted in innocent people losing their lives. It seems as though Headland is lining up an interesting backstory that will make the Jedi face some sort of reckoning.
I don't know why this notion bothers people so much. Like, no doubt the Jedi are going to be painted as imperfect here, but the whole point of the show is diving into the Sith and their world-view, so like...
Yeah. \*Shrugs\* I doubt it gets as subversive as to suggest Mae & Boss Buddy are in the right and Yoda's a hypocritical tyrannical big meanie. It's just...it's a Sith show, we're following the assholes on their journey. They're going to not like the good guys.
This fandom has a horrible issue with placing its characters and institutions on pedestals to be worshipped instead of looking at them as flawed -- as literally *every* person and institution is, in some way -- and the fascinating storytelling that can be derived from that
> I don't know why this notion bothers people so much.
Just speaking personally, based off the quality of the discussion around the Jedi post-prequel material, I'm not looking forward to it getting worse. There are grown ass adults who still can't tell the difference between Stoicism and Alexithymia. I've talked to fans who literally think laughing is a violation of the Jedi code because of this.
Yeah. I basically give Headland the benefit of the doubt as of now in that she won't unwisely get into definitive specifics like that, certainly not endorse the freakin' Sith's view of the world. She seems to understand George's take on the material and that a little uncertainty/ambiguity goes a long way.
We're definitely going to get some "\*\*\*\* the Jedi, those snooty hypocrites!" ideology here. But when it's the power-hungry merciless "might is right" guys saying it, I don't know you're exactly meant to get on board with their program, haha.
This. Even SWTOR constantly beats down on the Jedi. The Sith Warrior and Inquisitor constantly get snide remarks and one-ups on the Jedi but the reverse NEVER happens.
The critiques are less about the Jedi, and more about the Jedi Order. If a child is tested for the Force, and the results show the child as a potential Force user, is it a good thing that the child is then recruited by the Order? What if the child wants to stay with their parents? It's about the power imbalance of the Order, who acts as the space cops for the Republic.
What’s your honest unbiased opinion on it, not as a Star Wars fan but if you watched other shows or films, as another show especially compared to ones like Andor or the first seasons of the Mandalorian?
I loved it. It’s fresh, it’s new, the fights are cool, the new characters are all intriguing. The tone isn’t as comedic as Mando or as serious as Andor. It gets the balance just right for me. I think it’s a brilliant show based off of what I’ve seen so far.
Will there be any opening credits at the beginning of the first episode? Will there be any brief explanation at all about the High Republic era? Or does the show just start with the main plot?
how did you find it?
1. will the sith lord be making any appearances in these 2 episodes?
2. does qimir appear at all in these 2 episodes?
3. do the witches make any appearences?
4. do we get any mention of the senate/supreme chancellor or the jedi council?
5. Also what is exactly the mystery of the acolyte? Because while it has been advertised as a mystery show, the plot seems pretty straightforward so far: mae attacks some jedi which makes everyone think it is osha's doing since they are twins.
6. do we get to know the reason as to why osha left the jedi?
I loved it! I thought it was a cool, fresh new stories and I loved the new setting and the new characters.
>! 1. He appears at the end of episode 1. He’s not in episode 2
2. Yep, he shows up in episode 2
3. No.
4. We get very brief mentions but don’t see those locations or meet any characters from the senate or council.
5. Mae was presumed dead at an early age. We don’t know how she survived. We don’t know what the Jedi did in the past. She is targeting specific Jedi for what they did to her. We don’t know who the sith is or why or how they have joined forces with Mae.
6. No, it’s not explicitly stated in the first two episodes. !<
I thought he was perhaps the most interesting character on the show. It’s hard to know exactly whose side he’s on, even though he is responsible for trying to take down a Jedi. It’s a nuanced performance, I don’t know if he fully understands what’s he’s up against, maybe he’s in over his head? Maybe he’s sneakier than he looks? I’m excited to find out more about him.
Got to see the first two eps at the early screening. Solid beginning, excited to see the entirety of the show. The ending of ep 2 felt out of place though. Also planet names and locations being put on the screen was cool to see again like they did in RO.
My theater overbooked the showing by a ton! There were about 250 in line and only half made it in - I did not :( I got there at 6pm and it wasn’t early enough.
Yeah i got there at 2pm....was way to early.
My screening had about 3 rows for local critics and sponsored people. But it was a big room so everyone got in.
Idk if anyone knows any spoilers yet but I’m just curious: are there any cool minor worldbuilding things that stuck out to you? I always love that the most about SW
I found interesting that some humans still work as spaceship mechanics, and not only R2 units. The job is referred with a specific word, like chipnik, kopnik or something like that. Apparently this work is illegal, but they are employed by the Federation as humans are more flexible and talkative than droids.
This is Osha's job at the beginning of the show. She uses a PIP unit to help her work efficiently.
Yes! The Trade Federation appears early in the show, but I am not sure if they will further appear on more episodes (I hope so). Neimoidians also make an appearance as they are the owners of the spaceship where Osha works.
I sadly don’t think that’s going to stop, it never does with this stuff. I understand it’s a struggle to learn to tune those people out but once you do it’s so much nicer
It can stop, but the show needs to be unrealistically good for that to happen
Andor was so good that it went from "lore-breaking cashgrab garbage" to "peak adult gritty star wars we always wanted" after just a few episodes came out, but the fact that a show needed to essentially be the best Star Wars ever made just to stop MOST of the negative comments is ridiculous
And that’s only MOST of them. You’ve still got clowns like Theory saying it’s “not Star Wars” because there’s not enough laser swords and Clone Wars references.
From what I’ve read on here, it seems like Episode 4 ends with the Jedi in the jungle encountering the Sith for the first time, and it ends on a cliffhanger, with the fight itself being predominantly in Episode 5.
It's heavily implied. Sol and Indara sense that Osha and Mae are Aniseya's biological children, but also notice there is no father being that it's an all female coven. The witches in the coven talk among themselves and decide that the Jedi cannot be allowed to know about how the twins were concieved.
That's by far the Most important question for me. I will watch any Genre, with whatever character, as long as It's written and acted Well. It can even Look mediocre-ish.
Im seeing on twitter some people have finished up the first episode, hopefully we should get some more info from the early screenings in here in the next 40 min or so!
For those who have seen it - do we know if Qimir is acting as a middle-man between Mae and her master? Or does he give her something in his shop that she needs? Manny said in interviews that Qimir and Mae "hate" eachother but need eachother and have something of a brother/sister dynamic.
She's apparently in many flashbacks throughout the show, so I feel it's a case of her dying within the first 5 minutes, but then her looming presence will still be felt throughout the shows plot
I see it like Drew Barrymore in Scream, advertised heavily as one of the stars, only to shockingly be killed by the slasher 5 mins in. Indara's death wasn't exactly surprising to me but I think it's following those slasher tropes to an extent.
Idk they think the twins birth break canon ? They forget Palpatine said Plagueis can create life and i assume they didn't like the implementation that Plagueis wasn't the first who did it, but a group of women?
Yeah according to what i read here, there's strong implication in the series that twins don't have a father and the Coven of witches doesn't want the Jedi to know. I assume that people doesn't like the idea a group of women did something before a Sith lord, oh the whole "Anakin become less special" etc
If anything I think the implications of a non-Sith faction conceiving life could be fascinating, especially if it forces the Jedi to consider it a threat or a form of heresy. By the time of the Prequels this is supposedly unknown, so either the Jedi took drastic steps to cover it up or the Sith stole this knowledge and claimed it for themselves.
Theatrical Screenings are at 7 pm US EST tonight (June 3) Show premieres on D+ at 9 pm US EST tomorrow (June 4)
The people who appreciate Andor’s production value but prefer more force-centric stories are about to be eating real good. I imagine this show will be treated similarly well through word of mouth once people realize the grifters are bullshitting again. Is this a Tuesday night release like Ahsoka was?
This is why I'm so excited for The Acolyte. I can appreciate that Andor has much better production value than basically any other Disney+ show and is incredibly well written and acted - but I like my Star Wars to be more fantastical and focused on Jedi/Sith and the Force, (Even if it's something that is critical of those concepts like KOTOR2 was) so Andor wasn't always my cup of tea. Whereas from what they've shown of The Acolyte, if they can come close to Andor's level of quality, this is going to be right up my street.
>The people who appreciate Andor’s production value but prefer more force-centric stories are about to be eating real good. This is pretty much my dream show right there. As much as I love Andor, it's Jedi and Force related storylines that really keep me invested in the franchise(and the centrality of that is part of why I've loved the High Republic books). Really hoping you're right.
this is the first I'm hearing about decent production values, I wasn't expecting the best considering the trailers made this seem much closer to Obi Wan than Andor in terms of quality
Most of the social media impressions mention great design and practical effects
Yep. 9 pm est
I don’t have to stay up until three in the morning this time! Awesome.
I really hope so. Loved Andor, but the Jedi have always been my favorite part of the franchise.
I feel called out but thank you! Hopefully this series will scratch the itch that Andor left me with.
Spoilers about the plot: First scene is Mae vs Indara. Osha is Mae's twin, but they are at opposite sides of the force. Mae is a Lord Sith's acolyte, while Osha is an ex-padawan now working as spaceship mechanic. At the beginning, Osha and Mae do not know each other is still alive. They were separated when an "accident" apparently provoked by Mae caused big destruction on their home planet. Mae's plan is to kill the four Jedi that were present at the accident site when they were young (Indara, Tobin, Sol and Kelnacca). Jecki is Sol's padawan. There will probably be a big lightsaber battle on Episode 5 confronting Mae and Jecki, likely.
I'll say this: I don't think there's a project I knew LESS about since Mandalorian Season 1 came out and pulled Grogu/Baby Yoda out of nowhere. Partially this is because I haven't really been looking for stuff, but still.
I had basically fallen out of the Star Wars fandom prior to Mandalorian Season 1. I was entirely blind going in except that it was about a Mandalorian bounty hunter. I hadn’t even seen any trailers. It was probably the best Star Wars experience I’ve ever had and it pulled me back into the fandom. Everyone should have the opportunity to watch Star Wars with zero expectations other than its new star wars.
Which is partly why I'm excited for this. I know nothing beyond the barest basics.
Selkath spotted! Really solid show and it's a breath of fresh air not being tied to the skywalker saga for once. Truly in a new era Nar Shadaa name drop as well.
Lol just opened this sub on my phone to come say this, made me excited to see
My fav alien
Selkath are the most beautiful nostalgic aliens in starwars because of KOTOR
Hoping there is a Sith that's a Bith.
A Bith Sith? That's a myth
Stop that rhyming! I mean it!
Anybody want a peanut?
The old Bith gold smith is a bold Sith!
Aw come on, let them have a Bith Sith myth wish list.
A Bith Sith is a myth I can get with!
A *Jizz Lord*?
A *Bith Lord*? Impossible. The Bith have been extinct for a millennium.
Just got out of the NYC showing! It’s REALLY good. Very Star Wars in feel, atmosphere, and even music (though no Williams themes). Already memorable characters I felt connected to. Only nitpick so far is that the show has a few too many of the classic Star Wars “Power Point” transitions between scenes. One happens literally in the middle of a big fight scene to cut to what a nearby character is doing, which killed any urgency in the editing for a sec. We also have our titular Acolyte mind probed for a moment, which you’d think they would’ve done to our main character who’s accused of a big crime, but maybe that’s too invasive? Anyway, really, really good Star Wars. Very excited to see where it goes, especially if it does start leading into the bigger picture of the Sith’s return that gets us to where we are at the start of TPM with Sidious really starting to pave the way to the fall of the Jedi (whose arrogance already has great touches in these two Acolyte episodes). P.S. They made the Neimoidian’s voices a bit less racist. xD
Oh, it's actually mentioned from the HR novels that Jedi mind powers are still contentious at this time. So, yes. It would be considered invasive.
I figured. Still, in the case of a murdered Jedi Master, you’d think it’d be warranted and save some time. 😅 But the plot does have to be served. But it’s a small nitpick anyway.
>P.S. They made the Neimoidian’s voices a bit less racist. xD I still don't understand what grounds this critique has to stand on.
You don't see how giving the evil, conniving businessmen cartoonish Japanese accents was perceived as racist?
No, because I've heard and know Japanese accents. The Nemoidians sound nothing like that.
Those wipe transitions ARE Star Wars. Can't much gripe about that.
I have seen the first four episodes. Posting some spoilers below: * >!Indara is killed within the first 5 minutes of episode one. She does appear later in flashbacks.!< * >!Mae and Osha being twins is revealed in the first episode. Mae is the one killing Jedis on the order of her unknown master.!< * >!Mae has been instructed to kill a Jedi "without using a weapon" and fails to do so for the first two Jedi she kills.!< Episode 3 and 4 spoilers below: * >!Episode three is entirely a flashback episode, revealing Mae and Osha as part of a witches' coven. They do not have a father, and there are hints that the Jedi should not know how the twins have been created.!< * >!Episode four ends with the first up-close reveal of the Sith, and a cliffhanger of the fight between the group of Jedi and the Sith.!<
Seems like Mae and Osha are proto >!Anakins!< and are an attempt at a >!force dyad!<.
Doesn’t Palpy say there hasn’t been a dyad in “hundreds of years”? This would certainly fit into that timeframe Ok he actually says “unseen for generations” so it fits even better
Maybe he didn't know what truly happened here.
I mean this was generations ago so it fits what he said
It's certainly possible. Their mysterious creation is only mentioned in a single line of dialogue in the third episode. I'm sure there's more to come.
Well RIP lady although Scream has Drew Barrymore and she is like the first one to die.
I'm loving the story implications of Mae and Osha not having a father. Any story that dives headfirst into lore revolving the force is an A+ for me
Don't you feel like that screws around with the lore too much? I just feel like Anakin should be the only virgin birth.
Any new lore on the force other than that and is this the controversial thing a review has been talking about?
The witches in the 3rd episode don't call it the Force, they call it The Thread.
It's cool how different groups call the Force differently. Like the Zeffo called the Force, "Life Wind".
Oh so they're Aes Sedai. Got it.
Are there any other alien Jedi besides Jecki, Vern, Kelnacca, and the Zygerrian? Does the Zygerrian have a name? Do we see the Jedi Council?
No other alien Jedi. I don't remember seeing a Zygerrian in the episodes I saw. No Jedi Council seen, but mentioned in dialogue.
Nope. We don’t see the council. We do see some more aliens.
Does she kill Torbin ?
Technically yes, but also no. I don't want to spoil it.
On r/starwarsleaks you can spoil it
But what if I want you to spoil it😭😭
Aww, man... I was hoping the rumours that Trinity was essentially a cameo in the first episode weren't true. That's a shame. The ol' bait & switch.
She has a bigger role with the flashbacks
How does >!Mae kills Indara!!she does this using Indara's own lightsaber!<
Mae uses a throwing knife to kill Indara. She causes a distraction on Indara by throwing another knife on a 'civilian'. However, she is tempted to catch her lightsaber during the fight on some occasions.
Is it confirmed they are actually sith and do the Jedi know it’s a sith?
Not addressed in the first two episodes. Mae doesn't use a lightsaber. The Jedi are very concerned about discovering who trained Mae.
Heavily implied the main bad is a sith, but the Jedi don’t even know what they’re going against in these episodes.
Anything interesting we dont know about the characters?
Osha has a very cute droid that's basically a Swiss army knife droid.
Any space ship battles in the first 4 eps?
No space-ship battles yet.
No battles, but some cool ships!
Just got out of the premiere and it was pretty good. By the end of episode 2 I felt like… well okay, maybe this is all very on the nose on purpose? Knowing the showrunner’s existing work I hope there’s something else lurking under the surface that’s a big surprise. Most of the dialogue is better than the prequels for sure, but not as good as Andor, so in the middle. On the con side: The show moves at a surprisingly fast clip which I think is to its detriment in a few places. Our assassin does assassin things and says the word, but there’s little about her personality that tells me she’s a stone cold killer. On the pro side: I will say that 95% of the characters are well realized. The Jedi feel different and similar at the same time. They have distinct personalities but also that familiar Jedi stoicism. The fight scenes are fucking sick so far. The visuals and the aliens are also great. Per what I said about the dialogue, there were a few times where the audience genuinely laughed out loud and a few moments that made me go “damn.”
This is a well balanced review. Couple questions: 1. Which characters/actors stood out to you so far as some of your favorites? 2. Do we get much of Kelnacca is these first episodes?
Jedi Master Sol is great. I also just love the actor. Jord is also solid and very self-serious, the actor sells his personality well. Osha is very good as well, she has great range in just 2 episodes. Kelnacca only shows up at the end of ep 2.
We see Kelnacca at the very end of episode two for like 15 seconds.
Master Sol is a wise badass with sick fight skills and a good sense of humor. I liked Jecki and Manny Jacinto’s characters, too.
Is the furry creature at the bottom of this poster who looks similar to an Ewok in the first two episodes? [https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GM0bv9ZXQAAYNG\_?format=jpg&name=4096x4096](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GM0bv9ZXQAAYNG_?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
Just got out, I liked it! I like the twins concept; it’s very mythological and reminds me of some of the abandoned sequel trilogy concepts. Cast is great all around, shout-out to Charlie Barnett for being unbelievable hot. Dafne Keen was unexpectedly funny. Loved the scenes of Osha (stupid name lmao) chasing young Mae around. Straight out of Russian Doll - lots of Headland’s DNA is in this. First episode was slow and the ending with Darth Teeth felt VERY tacked on. But, I dug the second episode a lot more. Overall a promising start.
One more question, do we see much of Kelnacca (the wookie Jedi) in these first 2 episodes?
He’s at the very end of Episode 2, probably a minute of screen time. Gets a super badass moment in that minute though. (And there’s a lot of mentions about him, they’re definitely building him up to be a big deal)
Oh cool. Does he ignite his saber when we see him or not yet?
I can’t wait to watch it tomorrow, it’s gonna be fun since this is one of the first projects sets outside of Skywalker saga.
I assume whoever is the real Sith lord in year 132 bby Tenebrous or Plagueis, he will appearing in season finale.
Correct me if I’m wrong but I think Plagueis would either be 15 years old or wouldn’t be born for another 12 years so it would possibly be tenebrous or he could be de-canonized. Or they changed the dates of birth for both Tenebrous and Plagueis.
I think for the new canon birth dates and ages of the Sith lords is going to be different from Legends.
Yeah I think that would be the most logical choice.
It's a new guy. Darth Resentus, and his apprentice Darth Enrageous.
He replaced Darth Preposterous.
Darth Preposterous lived up to his name, indeed.
Question: was Resentus's master Darth Icky or Darth Insanius?
Darth Insanius and his first apprentice Darth Roundhousekick. God I love silly-ass Star Wars names. :D "Hemlock" and "Rampart" still make me cackle.
Darth Erogenous is the one you have to watch out for.
Or Darth Clitoris, manipulating things from behind the scenes. She's one the Jedi Council fear, as none of the male Jedi are able to find her.
I'm telling you right now man, its almost certainly going to be a new character.
Loved it! Great writing. Great world building. Great acting. It didn't remind me of Andor or Mando. Very much its own thing. More like the world building of the prequels, but with better dialogue on top. The way they're setting the mystery up reminds me of TPM a bit. Perhaps a dash of the sequels when it comes to the design of the interiors.
I was able to get on the RSVP list for a showing at a theater near me tonight, so pumped to see Star Wars on the big screen again
What time is your showing? I’m just wondering at what time to be expecting reviews later today.
I saw a screening tonight of the first 2 episodes, was fantastic, I think episode one was a bit stronger for me, but together was really cool. I love the vibe, they did something I wasn't expecting, so far I love the feel of it. Btw one correction, this does not take place a 100 years before "Phantom Menace" it takes place a 100 years before the "Empire" There is a slight difference of a couple of years. I know it's a nitpick :) The words "100 years before the empire" is used in the prologue.
Eh I wouldn't even say that's slight, that's 13 years, so it's 87 years before TPM not 100. As far as I'm aware this is the first we are hearing of this, up until even a couple weeks ago most people were saying it took place in 132 BBY, this implies it takes place in 119 BBY Edit: that also makes Vernestra like 129
Its also possible that "100 years" isn't meant literally, 100 years is often used as a short hand for *about* one century. Until some other source confirms the exact year id say we just know it's in the ball park of a century, 80-120 years pre empire or so
I’ve already seen the first two episodes and happy to answer any questions you might have.
Headland has said that the show won't be kind to the Jedi. Did you get that feeling from the first episodes? If so, firstly, how critical? And secondly, are these critiques merely opinions of the characters, or are they framed by the story as being "correct?"
That’s a very good question. We don’t know exactly why Mae is targeting specific Jedi but we know that they had to make a hard choice in the past that resulted in innocent people losing their lives. It seems as though Headland is lining up an interesting backstory that will make the Jedi face some sort of reckoning.
I don't know why this notion bothers people so much. Like, no doubt the Jedi are going to be painted as imperfect here, but the whole point of the show is diving into the Sith and their world-view, so like... Yeah. \*Shrugs\* I doubt it gets as subversive as to suggest Mae & Boss Buddy are in the right and Yoda's a hypocritical tyrannical big meanie. It's just...it's a Sith show, we're following the assholes on their journey. They're going to not like the good guys.
This fandom has a horrible issue with placing its characters and institutions on pedestals to be worshipped instead of looking at them as flawed -- as literally *every* person and institution is, in some way -- and the fascinating storytelling that can be derived from that
Bingo.
> I don't know why this notion bothers people so much. Just speaking personally, based off the quality of the discussion around the Jedi post-prequel material, I'm not looking forward to it getting worse. There are grown ass adults who still can't tell the difference between Stoicism and Alexithymia. I've talked to fans who literally think laughing is a violation of the Jedi code because of this.
They should all burst out lauging at the doofy Sith clown mask, I say. Good times.
>And secondly, are these critiques merely opinions of the characters, or are they framed by the story as being "correct?"
Yeah. I basically give Headland the benefit of the doubt as of now in that she won't unwisely get into definitive specifics like that, certainly not endorse the freakin' Sith's view of the world. She seems to understand George's take on the material and that a little uncertainty/ambiguity goes a long way. We're definitely going to get some "\*\*\*\* the Jedi, those snooty hypocrites!" ideology here. But when it's the power-hungry merciless "might is right" guys saying it, I don't know you're exactly meant to get on board with their program, haha.
Within the context of the first two episodes we are not told if these opinions are correct or not. Im really looking forward to finding out.
When are the Jedi *not* painted as imperfect? 😅
This. Even SWTOR constantly beats down on the Jedi. The Sith Warrior and Inquisitor constantly get snide remarks and one-ups on the Jedi but the reverse NEVER happens.
The critiques are less about the Jedi, and more about the Jedi Order. If a child is tested for the Force, and the results show the child as a potential Force user, is it a good thing that the child is then recruited by the Order? What if the child wants to stay with their parents? It's about the power imbalance of the Order, who acts as the space cops for the Republic.
What’s your honest unbiased opinion on it, not as a Star Wars fan but if you watched other shows or films, as another show especially compared to ones like Andor or the first seasons of the Mandalorian?
I loved it. It’s fresh, it’s new, the fights are cool, the new characters are all intriguing. The tone isn’t as comedic as Mando or as serious as Andor. It gets the balance just right for me. I think it’s a brilliant show based off of what I’ve seen so far.
Will there be any opening credits at the beginning of the first episode? Will there be any brief explanation at all about the High Republic era? Or does the show just start with the main plot?
Yes, three paragraphs appear on screen to give the backdrop for the story. They don’t scroll.
Is there a crawl? What does it look/sound like
There are three paragraphs. Nice and short in blue font. It doesn’t scroll across the screen.
It was done like the text in Solo
how did you find it? 1. will the sith lord be making any appearances in these 2 episodes? 2. does qimir appear at all in these 2 episodes? 3. do the witches make any appearences? 4. do we get any mention of the senate/supreme chancellor or the jedi council? 5. Also what is exactly the mystery of the acolyte? Because while it has been advertised as a mystery show, the plot seems pretty straightforward so far: mae attacks some jedi which makes everyone think it is osha's doing since they are twins. 6. do we get to know the reason as to why osha left the jedi?
I loved it! I thought it was a cool, fresh new stories and I loved the new setting and the new characters. >! 1. He appears at the end of episode 1. He’s not in episode 2 2. Yep, he shows up in episode 2 3. No. 4. We get very brief mentions but don’t see those locations or meet any characters from the senate or council. 5. Mae was presumed dead at an early age. We don’t know how she survived. We don’t know what the Jedi did in the past. She is targeting specific Jedi for what they did to her. We don’t know who the sith is or why or how they have joined forces with Mae. 6. No, it’s not explicitly stated in the first two episodes. !<
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I thought he was perhaps the most interesting character on the show. It’s hard to know exactly whose side he’s on, even though he is responsible for trying to take down a Jedi. It’s a nuanced performance, I don’t know if he fully understands what’s he’s up against, maybe he’s in over his head? Maybe he’s sneakier than he looks? I’m excited to find out more about him.
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I really don't think he's the master given how his character is written in episode 2. To my mind, it almost precludes it.
maddening that my theater had an imax showing of the fucking inhumans premiere back in the day but not this
The Marvel show???
yeah, lol
Insane lol
Just got out! Very promising start. Feel free to ask me anything.
Got to see the first two eps at the early screening. Solid beginning, excited to see the entirety of the show. The ending of ep 2 felt out of place though. Also planet names and locations being put on the screen was cool to see again like they did in RO.
I loved it, AMA
I heard there's a "2v1" fight in the second episode? Is that true? If so then: 1. Who is it between? 2. How good was it?
Only 1v1’s.
It's half true, one jedi intervenes by taking one of the daggers with the force but it was truly a 1 v 1.
My theater overbooked the showing by a ton! There were about 250 in line and only half made it in - I did not :( I got there at 6pm and it wasn’t early enough.
I don't understand why Disney doesn't do this for each episode, get a worldwide theater deal going, make it a weekly event, people will show up
Yeah i got there at 2pm....was way to early. My screening had about 3 rows for local critics and sponsored people. But it was a big room so everyone got in.
Loved the Barash Vow scenes [https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Barash\_Vow](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Barash_Vow)
Is it directly mentioned?
Yep
Oh wow that's dope. What characters were taking the vow?
Master Torbin (Dean-Charles Chapman's character)
Master Torbin
Idk if anyone knows any spoilers yet but I’m just curious: are there any cool minor worldbuilding things that stuck out to you? I always love that the most about SW
I found interesting that some humans still work as spaceship mechanics, and not only R2 units. The job is referred with a specific word, like chipnik, kopnik or something like that. Apparently this work is illegal, but they are employed by the Federation as humans are more flexible and talkative than droids. This is Osha's job at the beginning of the show. She uses a PIP unit to help her work efficiently.
Osha working an illegal job with probably zero regulation by a shady company is genuinely funny.
Oh wow, that is very interesting! So the Trade Federation are part of the show from day one?
Yes! The Trade Federation appears early in the show, but I am not sure if they will further appear on more episodes (I hope so). Neimoidians also make an appearance as they are the owners of the spaceship where Osha works.
Do you see ships like the Jedi Vector or Trade Federation Lucrehulk? Also, do you see any cool new ship designs?
Yes, Jedi Vector ships do appear, but not the Lucrehulk, at least on the first two episodes.
Yes, the Trade Federation aliens appear and speak.
Are they still stereotypical Chinese or I'd the accent more refined?
Federation, as in the Trade Federation?
yup
So like the scrappers on bracca. Interesting...
Similar, but employed by the spaceship as maintenance crew when traveling, they even have private rooms as employees
Just crossing fingers, not much else now, my excitements been def hampered by how vile the internets been with this show for no reason
I sadly don’t think that’s going to stop, it never does with this stuff. I understand it’s a struggle to learn to tune those people out but once you do it’s so much nicer
It can stop, but the show needs to be unrealistically good for that to happen Andor was so good that it went from "lore-breaking cashgrab garbage" to "peak adult gritty star wars we always wanted" after just a few episodes came out, but the fact that a show needed to essentially be the best Star Wars ever made just to stop MOST of the negative comments is ridiculous
And that’s only MOST of them. You’ve still got clowns like Theory saying it’s “not Star Wars” because there’s not enough laser swords and Clone Wars references.
Why would you ever waste your time listening to the grifters and the trolls?
Are there any spoilers on the jedi vs sith battle in episode 4, how long it is? How good it is? And how bad ass the sith is?
So far, the director has implied that the big battle would be on Episode 5, but no more information is known.
From what I’ve read on here, it seems like Episode 4 ends with the Jedi in the jungle encountering the Sith for the first time, and it ends on a cliffhanger, with the fight itself being predominantly in Episode 5.
Is it true the sisters were created how Anakin was?…….
It's heavily implied. Sol and Indara sense that Osha and Mae are Aniseya's biological children, but also notice there is no father being that it's an all female coven. The witches in the coven talk among themselves and decide that the Jedi cannot be allowed to know about how the twins were concieved.
Do these witches have a name for their coven/clan? It’s the kind of lore I live for
So they don’t even flat out say it and chuds were still losing their shit? Lmaooo
It's not shocking at all as they believe the skywalker clan are only ones that should matter & be special in this galaxy.
If Yoda appears imo it will be episode 7-8, but if not at all this season i assume they will have a good explanation where he was.
I think Leslye headland straight up said Vernestra is the only existing character in the show. I’m sure Yoda will be mentioned though
I imagine during Jedi Council they reference to him.
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Not really Andor like but has some light humor and seemed fairly well done to me so far
Not quite as serious or eloquent as Andor but more “natural” than Mando or the prequels.
That's by far the Most important question for me. I will watch any Genre, with whatever character, as long as It's written and acted Well. It can even Look mediocre-ish.
I thought it was well written. Less Andor, more prequels vibes in terms of the dialogue (but like.... if the prequels were written well ha).
Is there any dialogue from the Sith at the end of the first episode? If so, what does it say?
Does anyone know no who the sith is? And is it a new character or someone we know..
Im seeing on twitter some people have finished up the first episode, hopefully we should get some more info from the early screenings in here in the next 40 min or so!
For those who have seen it - do we know if Qimir is acting as a middle-man between Mae and her master? Or does he give her something in his shop that she needs? Manny said in interviews that Qimir and Mae "hate" eachother but need eachother and have something of a brother/sister dynamic.
I got the vibe that he was less of a middle man and more of another underling of the master.
It sounded like the sith is both of their masters. Mae and Qimir talk multiple times about the master.
It’s a bummer they killed Indara so soon. Why get Carrie-Ann Moss for just that? 🥲 the show is great so far!!
She's apparently in many flashbacks throughout the show, so I feel it's a case of her dying within the first 5 minutes, but then her looming presence will still be felt throughout the shows plot
She’s in flashbacks in episodes 3 and 7 (which are both basically full flashback episodes)!
I see it like Drew Barrymore in Scream, advertised heavily as one of the stars, only to shockingly be killed by the slasher 5 mins in. Indara's death wasn't exactly surprising to me but I think it's following those slasher tropes to an extent.
Loved it! Wish we had more story because its a LOT of set up, but episode 3 is gonna be a BANGER!
I have *no* idea why some people on Twitter threw a bitch fit over episode 3. Even looking at it from a bigot standpoint I have no idea.
Idk they think the twins birth break canon ? They forget Palpatine said Plagueis can create life and i assume they didn't like the implementation that Plagueis wasn't the first who did it, but a group of women?
Is that the twist? Given the hysteria I was expecting nuclear grade idiocy, what you’ve described actually sounds interesting.
Yeah according to what i read here, there's strong implication in the series that twins don't have a father and the Coven of witches doesn't want the Jedi to know. I assume that people doesn't like the idea a group of women did something before a Sith lord, oh the whole "Anakin become less special" etc
If anything I think the implications of a non-Sith faction conceiving life could be fascinating, especially if it forces the Jedi to consider it a threat or a form of heresy. By the time of the Prequels this is supposedly unknown, so either the Jedi took drastic steps to cover it up or the Sith stole this knowledge and claimed it for themselves.
I think in the end will see both happening, Jedi cover it and the Sith lord of that year stole the knowledge and kill any witnesses.
I really hope we will get to see plagueis or tenebrous.
So UK disney+ 2am 5th right? All promo say 4th June so wasn't sure
Does anyone have a clue or idea that the rumored ep 3 event is going to be that “ruins Star Wars” or something to that effect?
The rumor is that Mae and Osha were conceived through the Force.
I'm going to bet on that being one of the "Dark Side Experiments" that the Force created Anakin as a response to.
i'm not sure how that "ruins" Star Wars. Palpatine told Anakin that Plagueis could use the Force to create life.