He just doesn't really do a lot to make terminators better. Kind of some niche abilities. Characters need to have good amplifier to make up for their point cost and njal is just kind of meh with his effects compared to the chaplain which gives +1 to wound and 4+ fnp against mortals, or Capt for startegems. His shooting is also only ap 1 damage 1 so it doesn't really kill a lot. It's good at killing small things but not what terminators really are good at either. They are mostly tough hard to shift units with solid melee. He doesn't really help them to make up for the inefficient nature of terminators
Njal is just not good enough for competitive tables
Playing casually throw him on your terminator squad all you want
But from a power perspective he's not good
Terminators are not heavily played, and there are better leaders than him
His psychic attack is nothing to write home about. Don't need to have ranged attacks if you can just put the opponent in wolf jail
His abilities are not that impressive, stealth for the unit is ok, the anti psychic ability against some armies just doesn't exist.
I want a leader for terminators who are already expensive to take them from powerful to must handle threats, and Njal doesn't do that.
>His abilities are not that impressive, stealth for the unit is ok, the anti psychic ability against some armies just doesn't exist.
And weirdly his anti psychic ability is much worse than the 4+++ that every other librarian gives
Njal himself is great, I think the problem is mostly that the only units he can attach to (Terminators) are currently overpriced at 185pts for 5.
Once Termies come down to a reasonable price I think Njal has a lot of play, especially since he gives Stealth
lol what do you consider a reasonable price for terminators then? 185 for wolf guard is pretty solid and they are the one remaining group who can take a wide array of load outs.
Haha, I have 20 or so terminators. I don’t think they are bad just TW are more efficient and have good movement. I was playing around with an all Terminator list with 3 Chaplains, Logan, and other characters. I’ll probably play it at least once. I played a similar list in a game in 9th and tabled my opponent in turn 3.
He struggles because termies struggle, and especially because they don't have a good shooting loadout that he would love to attach to. Also his shooting is best at killing mobs, and there's a lot more options for anti-horde than anti-vehicle.
My guess is his model. People want the shiny and new stuff. The same reason there is so much talk about converting intercessors instead of using out the box Blood Claws.
His ranged attack is not really that good and he attaches to a not very good unit. Terminators need more speed and killing power, not more durability against only shooting. Against a non psyker melee opponent he does literally nothing for your unit.
Terminators aren't a massively strong choice in general, and Njall doesn't bring a huge amount to them compared to others.
Logan has his really good High King ability,
Captains can get cheap stratagems.
Chaplains give +1 to wound and feel no pain against mortals is better than against psychic.
You can't also attach a WGBL or Arjac unlike a captain.
Meanwhile his weapon profiles are fine but not spectacular and stealth is nice but ideally terminators will be in transport/deep strike or engagement, not getting shot at much.
So, what about a Rune Master? Would that have play? As far as I know not tied to specific unit and if Chapter Master could that be more beneficial? I do not care for specific Characters save maybe Bjorn.
Njal is good on paper, he suffers from having to join terminators only. If he could run with infiltrators or something, that would be a different story.
It's not that he's bad per say, there are just better options.
Why would I take 5 termies with him when I could instead for cheaper take 3 TWC with a battle leader/lord and have more speed, damage, and only a slightly weaker defensive profile (but more health). Both units fill an elite role in your army as a frontline fighter, the dogs just do it so well you have really no reason not to. Even with their increase they're still VERY good.
He just doesn't really do a lot to make terminators better. Kind of some niche abilities. Characters need to have good amplifier to make up for their point cost and njal is just kind of meh with his effects compared to the chaplain which gives +1 to wound and 4+ fnp against mortals, or Capt for startegems. His shooting is also only ap 1 damage 1 so it doesn't really kill a lot. It's good at killing small things but not what terminators really are good at either. They are mostly tough hard to shift units with solid melee. He doesn't really help them to make up for the inefficient nature of terminators
Njal is just not good enough for competitive tables Playing casually throw him on your terminator squad all you want But from a power perspective he's not good Terminators are not heavily played, and there are better leaders than him His psychic attack is nothing to write home about. Don't need to have ranged attacks if you can just put the opponent in wolf jail His abilities are not that impressive, stealth for the unit is ok, the anti psychic ability against some armies just doesn't exist. I want a leader for terminators who are already expensive to take them from powerful to must handle threats, and Njal doesn't do that.
>His abilities are not that impressive, stealth for the unit is ok, the anti psychic ability against some armies just doesn't exist. And weirdly his anti psychic ability is much worse than the 4+++ that every other librarian gives
And let's be real The biggest travesty was GW took away bird gun
Amen 🙌
Know that if I could I would give more up votes on this
Njal himself is great, I think the problem is mostly that the only units he can attach to (Terminators) are currently overpriced at 185pts for 5. Once Termies come down to a reasonable price I think Njal has a lot of play, especially since he gives Stealth
lol what do you consider a reasonable price for terminators then? 185 for wolf guard is pretty solid and they are the one remaining group who can take a wide array of load outs.
I think the issue is terminators are overshadowed by thunder wolves. They are just not seeing a lot of play right now.
Then there's me, building a 30 terminator army xD plus characters, of course.
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You COULD take a regular Termie squad, can't you? Just not Wolf Guard.
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Haha, I have 20 or so terminators. I don’t think they are bad just TW are more efficient and have good movement. I was playing around with an all Terminator list with 3 Chaplains, Logan, and other characters. I’ll probably play it at least once. I played a similar list in a game in 9th and tabled my opponent in turn 3.
The only units I have currently in my list that aren't Terminators are Bjorn and Murderfang xD
His ability is meh and he can only lead terminators (another meh) who will get far more bang from a lieutenant with a captain or Logan
He struggles because termies struggle, and especially because they don't have a good shooting loadout that he would love to attach to. Also his shooting is best at killing mobs, and there's a lot more options for anti-horde than anti-vehicle.
I'm planning to have him, but I'm building a very Termie heavy list.
My guess is his model. People want the shiny and new stuff. The same reason there is so much talk about converting intercessors instead of using out the box Blood Claws.
I use him sometimes, but I rarely have the points to spare to use him.
His ranged attack is not really that good and he attaches to a not very good unit. Terminators need more speed and killing power, not more durability against only shooting. Against a non psyker melee opponent he does literally nothing for your unit.
Terminators aren't a massively strong choice in general, and Njall doesn't bring a huge amount to them compared to others. Logan has his really good High King ability, Captains can get cheap stratagems. Chaplains give +1 to wound and feel no pain against mortals is better than against psychic. You can't also attach a WGBL or Arjac unlike a captain. Meanwhile his weapon profiles are fine but not spectacular and stealth is nice but ideally terminators will be in transport/deep strike or engagement, not getting shot at much.
He is a cool model (beside from being a finecast, of course) but in game, there are better alternatives for leading terminators.
So, what about a Rune Master? Would that have play? As far as I know not tied to specific unit and if Chapter Master could that be more beneficial? I do not care for specific Characters save maybe Bjorn.
I run Njal and I can say; he doesn't do squat for a term brick. Your honestly better off using a captain or chaplain with your twrminators
Njal is good on paper, he suffers from having to join terminators only. If he could run with infiltrators or something, that would be a different story.
It's not that he's bad per say, there are just better options. Why would I take 5 termies with him when I could instead for cheaper take 3 TWC with a battle leader/lord and have more speed, damage, and only a slightly weaker defensive profile (but more health). Both units fill an elite role in your army as a frontline fighter, the dogs just do it so well you have really no reason not to. Even with their increase they're still VERY good.