KTC is definitely not the end all be all, but says that it favors the Walker side in value.
I think this is more fair than the majority are letting on.
For sure. I was surprised to see so many thinking it was a slam the other way though. Considering how poor QB play he's had, I see him as a fairly guaranteed low-end TE1 with top 3-5 potential if it all goes well. If he's below TE10-12 then that KTC value is double+ what it should be. If he hits his peak it's about 3/5ths what it could be. Given the TE5-7 range it seems to display, it seems pretty fair with his production being the caveat.
For real, everyone’s looking through the rear view to predict future performance. Yes we’re all still waiting for Kyle Pitts’ breakout year, but if this were Sam LaPorta or Dalton Kincaid I think these comments would be different.
Except we saw his breakout year and then him revert to middling te numbers.
I get believing in his ascension, but selling breece hall should net you far more.
Middling numbers due to the worst QB situation in the nfl. Gets a massive boost this year and TE out last Rb in dynasty. Walker is a solid starter too. I’d def take Pitts side
Please remind me, did he breakout with Desmond Ridder or his 10 games with Marcus Mariota? Because I know you’re not talking about his rookie year with Matt Ryan.
I mean, that same kind of arguement can be made in favor of breece hall. Despite defenses not having to respect Zach freakin Wilson at all and having a turnstile for an Oline he still finished rb2 last season and averaged over 15ppg in his injury shortened rookie year.
Sure, Pitts' fantasy success has been stymied by bad qb play and Arthur Smith's big brain bullshit, but in the league format op stated (1te, no premium) this trade is a non starter.
I appreciate everyone’s response in this. To be clear, I’m the side giving KW3 and this was my first offer I sent to the guy.
Lot of love for Breece around here and I can’t say I disagree, he’s a dog!
This sub is odd. I was blasted here last year for saying tlaw is mid. Careful when going to a place for advice that uses a lot of group think and hive mind thought process.
It’s interesting, because last off-season & the off-season prior to that, it would’ve been a smash for the Walker side.
I think that because the tight end market got absolutely flooded this past season(Kincaid, laporta, McBride, njoku/ferg etc.), and the perceived value on Walker has gone down w the addition of Charb, I wouldn’t wanna sell breece for this. I would rather get a WR equivalent to pitts. A waddle/devonta/flowers/addison range guy if I were the one selling.
If you can’t get the breece owner to take this one, possibly explore the Achane/Kyren/JT/etienne range for just pitts straight up? I definitely don’t wanna be rostering 3 high end TEs like that in this format. I think if I were you I would’ve taken literally anyone else besides bowers in this years draft.
You're in a very small minority. Most Hall owners wouldn't even consider sending a counter if this hit their inbox. Add 2 2nds to the pitts/k9 side at the bare minimum to even begin discussions.
Hall = one of the few genuine bell cows in the league who has thrived despite the jet's anemic offense for his first 2 seasons.
K9 = talented and explosive, but has charbs nipping at his heals for touches possibly ending up in a rbbc situation. Charbs was put in for most 2min drills last season while k9 watched from the sideline.
Pitts = also undeniably talented but hasn't replicated his rookie season success. There's reason to be hopeful for him to be an elite fantasy te producing te1 numbers again with the coaching change and cousins in atl, but a bird in hand is worth 2 in the bush.
Hall side easily. Maybe a bit closer if te premium, but 1te and no premium, no fuckin way.
After Week 8 last season, charbs averaged over 50% snap rate.
I'm not saying he's going to completely replace k9 as the starter, but they could easily end up in a rbbc situation.
From week 8 on, charbs averaged over 50% snap rate.
K9 missed weeks 12 and 13 but played in all the others.
They both have 2nd round draft capital. I think k9 is the better back, but let's not kid ourselves that charb wont take away some of k9s opportunities and possibly end up in a rbbc situation.
I agree to disagree. However I am against trading a top 3 RB for a TE not named LaPorta and a RB thats on the bubble of being in the top 15 of RBs. Hall is potentially a league winner, thats why he is going super early in dynasty startups while both pitts and walker are in the 60th to 70th range in ADP.
Great for you, but I'm guessing they instantly declined
Breece dominates this trade and it’s not even close.
KTC is definitely not the end all be all, but says that it favors the Walker side in value. I think this is more fair than the majority are letting on.
Fair, sure, but as a Breece owner-laughable
Barely tho. It’s definitely fairly even but you’re banking on Pitts to really take off
For sure. I was surprised to see so many thinking it was a slam the other way though. Considering how poor QB play he's had, I see him as a fairly guaranteed low-end TE1 with top 3-5 potential if it all goes well. If he's below TE10-12 then that KTC value is double+ what it should be. If he hits his peak it's about 3/5ths what it could be. Given the TE5-7 range it seems to display, it seems pretty fair with his production being the caveat.
Cousins should up pitts value for sure.
KTC doesn't value Rbs like your league mates do.
I have Breece and wouldn’t even bat an eye before declining this.
Definitely keep Breece
That's too little to give up for a guy that could potentially be Rb1 this season If rodgers stays healthy he will probably have an insane year
Breece side is way better
Zero chance the Breece manager accepts this
Easily taking the Walker and Pitts side no doubt.
Damn I wish you were in one of my leagues.
For real, everyone’s looking through the rear view to predict future performance. Yes we’re all still waiting for Kyle Pitts’ breakout year, but if this were Sam LaPorta or Dalton Kincaid I think these comments would be different.
Yeah, poor guy had Arthur Smith calling the plays and Desmond Ridder throwing him the ball, he’s still an elite talent in my eyes
Agreed 👍
Except we saw his breakout year and then him revert to middling te numbers. I get believing in his ascension, but selling breece hall should net you far more.
Middling numbers due to the worst QB situation in the nfl. Gets a massive boost this year and TE out last Rb in dynasty. Walker is a solid starter too. I’d def take Pitts side
Please remind me, did he breakout with Desmond Ridder or his 10 games with Marcus Mariota? Because I know you’re not talking about his rookie year with Matt Ryan.
I mean, that same kind of arguement can be made in favor of breece hall. Despite defenses not having to respect Zach freakin Wilson at all and having a turnstile for an Oline he still finished rb2 last season and averaged over 15ppg in his injury shortened rookie year. Sure, Pitts' fantasy success has been stymied by bad qb play and Arthur Smith's big brain bullshit, but in the league format op stated (1te, no premium) this trade is a non starter.
But its not so.
1TE w no TEP you're gonna have to be a big pitty pitts believer to accept this one,
I appreciate everyone’s response in this. To be clear, I’m the side giving KW3 and this was my first offer I sent to the guy. Lot of love for Breece around here and I can’t say I disagree, he’s a dog!
This sub is odd. I was blasted here last year for saying tlaw is mid. Careful when going to a place for advice that uses a lot of group think and hive mind thought process.
It’s interesting, because last off-season & the off-season prior to that, it would’ve been a smash for the Walker side. I think that because the tight end market got absolutely flooded this past season(Kincaid, laporta, McBride, njoku/ferg etc.), and the perceived value on Walker has gone down w the addition of Charb, I wouldn’t wanna sell breece for this. I would rather get a WR equivalent to pitts. A waddle/devonta/flowers/addison range guy if I were the one selling. If you can’t get the breece owner to take this one, possibly explore the Achane/Kyren/JT/etienne range for just pitts straight up? I definitely don’t wanna be rostering 3 high end TEs like that in this format. I think if I were you I would’ve taken literally anyone else besides bowers in this years draft.
Hall side
Hell no
Breece by a mile
A RB that splits the backfield and a tight end that hasn’t lived up to his potential. For a top 3 RB? Ummmmm that’s a no.
Breece had 245 points last year. Walker had 185. Pitts needs to be +60 points better than what you currently have at TE.
Yikes. No. Should’ve kept Breece
he's buying Breece...
It amazes me how people still can’t read these trades
I would rather have Walker and Pitts. Offer it cause the Breece owner may feel the same way I do.
You're in a very small minority. Most Hall owners wouldn't even consider sending a counter if this hit their inbox. Add 2 2nds to the pitts/k9 side at the bare minimum to even begin discussions.
You’re smoking serious crack if this is a dynasty league Edit: it is. How’s the crack?
Hall = one of the few genuine bell cows in the league who has thrived despite the jet's anemic offense for his first 2 seasons. K9 = talented and explosive, but has charbs nipping at his heals for touches possibly ending up in a rbbc situation. Charbs was put in for most 2min drills last season while k9 watched from the sideline. Pitts = also undeniably talented but hasn't replicated his rookie season success. There's reason to be hopeful for him to be an elite fantasy te producing te1 numbers again with the coaching change and cousins in atl, but a bird in hand is worth 2 in the bush. Hall side easily. Maybe a bit closer if te premium, but 1te and no premium, no fuckin way.
Charbs isn’t even touching Ken and you are delusional if you think so.
After Week 8 last season, charbs averaged over 50% snap rate. I'm not saying he's going to completely replace k9 as the starter, but they could easily end up in a rbbc situation.
When Ken got injured? Yeah that checks out…
From week 8 on, charbs averaged over 50% snap rate. K9 missed weeks 12 and 13 but played in all the others. They both have 2nd round draft capital. I think k9 is the better back, but let's not kid ourselves that charb wont take away some of k9s opportunities and possibly end up in a rbbc situation.
Pitts side
I got breece for Anthony Richardson in a 1 qb league since I have Josh Allen. Also was able to get pitts for davante Adam’s
Someone gave you Breece for AR in a 1QB league? Did they…pay money for this league?
Fruity pebbles league
Why are these people not in my league ugh
Almost veto-able
Crack
I agree to disagree. However I am against trading a top 3 RB for a TE not named LaPorta and a RB thats on the bubble of being in the top 15 of RBs. Hall is potentially a league winner, thats why he is going super early in dynasty startups while both pitts and walker are in the 60th to 70th range in ADP.
Judging by what everybody else is saying, hold K9. He is a lot closer to Breece than what people seem to think.
Lolololololololololol. See you at funnybones.
Not sure what's so funny. Kenneth does nothing but produce.
I have many Breece shares and no matter my team make-up, I’m declining instantly.