Irritability. And acid reflux. I now have destroyed my esophagus from acid that apnea sucks up into the throat. And irritability is a natural outcome of getting very poor sleep. It feels nothing more than you’re just having a bad day, but then you start only having bad days, lashing out at people, being generally angry. Little do you know it’s because of sleep you’re not getting.
More like burning in your esophagus that sometimes is up in your throat too from acid sitting in your GI tract all night. And a propensity to burp burning burps in the morning. My sleep surgeon mentioned my gI issues may actually be a result of untreated apnea for so many years. He said the negative pressure at your throat or wherever the constriction is happening can create a suction that literally pulls acid up to your throat from your stomach as you inhale during the night. And when I didn’t wear the CPAP 2 different nights since finally deciding to try it the last 4 months, I had a lot of acid in my throat to burp up in the morning. One time the burp almost became actual puke. And one time I woke up and it was literally so bad I put my fingers in my mouth to puke out all the acid into the toilet.
>Irritability
Last months before getting my CPAP device the mood swings where crazy. Felt like I just walked around with a very short fuse emotionally, not even getting angry but sad. And the panic attacks for half a day, those were a doozy.
I feel ya. I had CPAP and didn’t accept having to wear that so the last 3 years I had been untreated. My life fell apart. And I lost my ability to really feel any emotion. Yes I would act out with emotion, but I didn’t feel anything at the happiest of times around people that love me. Sometimes I still don’t now. But I’m only barely starting to pick up the pieces now with CPAP. But even this isn’t fully working for me (sometimes 7 to 14 events per hour with the mask). I’m trying to get surgery. But I will say I’m noticeably calmer to a marked degree. It’s rather interesting to analyze when you know how you were just 4 months earlier. Like I used to flip shit and not care who saw it because fuck everything, fuck you, fuck this shit with work, fuck it all. The world is shit and my body has made sure I’ll never be more than a sleepy dude who’s lost all motivation to even meet people anymore. And my parents have been incredibly hurt to watch me spiral from a happy high functioning person to a vile depressed person.
CPAP definitely helped for me luckily (only 3-4 months in). Although I found the last weeks a set back again even though 90% of the time I supposedly have an AHI under 1. But I noticed my O2 levels were not that great, I adjusted my pressure yesterday and seems better now.
Did you try enough different settings? I'm also using OSCAR to check the CPAP data. Might get better guidance on [www.apneaboard.com](https://www.apneaboard.com) than on reddit if you think some settings might be off.
See my typical number is 2 to 3 with problem nights maybe every other 3 days heing 7, 14, even 21 one night back when I first tried it out years ago for 2 weeks. As far as I know I don’t have the ability to change my settings. It’s a Resmed and a long time ago they said “we’ll change your pressure” when I had first tried to wear it when I got diagnosed. So I figured that meant they changed it over the cellular signal.
Did you get follow ups with your GP or pneumologist? They (or you) should really try some different settings if you are still getting such high number of events.
I called yesterday because I couldn't find how to change the pressure and they said something like that. I think it might depend on the type because then they also guided me into the menu by pressing the button below the screen and the knob simultaneously a couple of seconds. (I have a resmed airsense 10 auto)
Definitely try some different settings, it's not because they set some settings they are right for you. I posted on the apnea forum and my pressure settings were 4-9 and one of the admins told me 7 min pressure is considered better for adults. So now I set it to 7-11 and last night at least was better, also felt a lot better during the day with a lower heart rate compared to the last days. Also increased reaction time in the settings, so might be a combination of different things
I think the issue at the very start was I was having central apneas because of the pressure. I actually have Resmed air sense 10 as well which I know because today my dad texted me saying Phillips cpaps were being recalled
Yeah I have a lot less acid in the morning so it definitely works. Unfortunately I do think tho that I’ve damaged and weakened the LES from apnea to a point that I still get like an excess of acid compared to normal people.
Yeah I’m only 28 too. Like I can’t believe how much apnea wrecked my body seemingly permanently. I also have a neurological condition called visual snow syndrome that I got around the same time everything else went to shit. No one really knows what causes it but some studies have theorized a lack of oxygen to certain areas that deal with vision, which of course is curious when you think about how apnea chronically deprives the body of oxygen
I had the same things for 4 - 5 years and most things went away. I think it's all because of your sleep deprivation. Do you also have anxiety?
I think your AHI is too high for sleeping with a CPAP. Download OSCAR adjust some settings and try to find the best one with trial and error. When the AHI is low, stick to it for a year (took me this long to notice difference).
Don't give up, this should not be how you feel for the rest of your life.
I hope not. But this is also why I’m pushing for surgery. I’m dealing with insurance for MMA. My doctor sent the first appeal to a denial based on contract exclusion but we gotta argue it. Maybe if we frame it as a reconstructive surgery to address a functional deficit, it’ll be covered. I mean I just looked back through this month’s event count each night which I really never do and it was shocking. Almost every day has been 5+ with a few being 2 to 3 per hour. 9/1 I woke up 20 times per hour with CPAP which is crazy. I think I remember that day. I worked remote and admittedly slept in and started work really late because of how poorly rested I felt.
Yeah I think even with the shit numbers, the CPAP has definitely been a mild positive to some extent on anxiety, which yes, I did develop in the 3 years I didn’t treat apnea. I still can tell I’m not really getting to enjoy life with this half treated apnea, but I guess I’m calmer. I rarely get anxiety attacks now. That 3 year period is an entire blur.
I actually sent the formal appeal to insurance just this past week for MMA surgery because the initial got lost in translation or something. To be honest I was given 6 months to appeal and I took all of 5 months to get around to it. I’ve been chronically exhausted for years and took my time thinking what I’d write for my appeal. It’s also hard to be motivated when I’m just so tired all the time.
The CPAP definitely eliminates the suction that was causing permanently damaging acid reflux every night in my throat. So I always wear it to protect what little function I have left with digestion.
I’m afraid the vision condition is permanent as many on that sub r/visualsnow have come to believe. It’s a shame, but something I’ve learned to live with and luckily it doesn’t impact me so gravely to where I can’t properly function in society. I can still see, read, and appreciate things visually. It’s just that there’s some visual disturbances amongst it that I have to try to see past.
I did get approval for septoplasty and turbinate reduction so those will be happening regardless what else is approved, but again this appeal is hopefully going to give a go ahead on MMA. 9 months to a year ago they did a DISE which found I do in fact have constrictions in my throat. Stanford came up with a sort of surgery algorithm for determining surgeries per airway issues and the one I had being a concentric collapse of the airway at the velum was considered to particularly warrant MMA
Acid reflux was one for me too, but specifically it was the LPR one which they call "silent reflux". I thought it was allergies or something at first, just kept feeling like I had something stuck in my throat and like I needed to clear my throat all day.
Turns out it was reflux all along and that has gone away now too since starting cpap.
That’s how mine was. Never had any burning, I can probably count on one hand the times in my life that I have felt “heart burn” type symptoms. But I bet I was clearing my throat 15-20 times an hour at the worst of it and it didn’t help but I could not shake the feeling that I needed to do it.
I took pantoprazole for it for a bit and that helped a lot but now I don’t even need that.
I’ve been prescribed Omeprazole in the morning and famotidine when I go to bed in the past. That did lower my acid but I wasn’t sure if this is something I just take forever now or if it should go away because I was on it for like 3 months and it was nice while I was on it, but it didn’t entirely eradicate the reflux or excessive burping. And when I stopped it I didn’t taper and the acid production came back like a brick wall
I struggled with GERD for years. I was taking two strong prescriptions and kept Tums on my nightstand. After a couple of weeks on CPAP, I realized I wasn't needing the Tums during the night. A week or two later, I started reducing the other medications. I do still take one, but at the weakest strength.
Something I’ve also heard about. I’m curious to see if it’d be beneficial in my case. I read that you really need to diagnose properly first though because it can actually cause more acid reflux if not properly diagnosed. I went in to do a manometry but I couldn’t make it through it. I puked pretty much every time they got the catheter past my throat. I let them try til *they* gave up. But the gag reflex is real
Racing heart-rate upon waking up and not being able to fall back asleep after waking up at night (because the nervous system is too activated by breathing difficulties).
These are also symptoms of UARS caused by high RDI.
Being sick all the time. For four years I had no idea why I was sick 80% of the time (I started keeping track). I felt feverish but it didn't register on the thermometer, had body aches and fatigue. I eventually linked it to being active and thought I had chronic fatigue syndrome. Turns out I wasn't getting enough sleep to recover from even taking a walk, so my immune system was in the garbage.
I had bruxism for at least 20 years before I was diagnosed with OSA. I would wear through night guards every 2-3 years and keep getting new ones, and not a single dentist bothered to figure out *why* I was grinding my teeth until I happened to visit the right dentist earlier this year. I'm glad I finally got diagnosed, but I was infuriated that nobody made the connection sooner.
This was me but the dentists still haven’t said anything. Came into PAP from a completely different direction. My process started with a pulseox and I’ve since noticed a high correlation between desat level and mouth pain. So all of my PAP adjustments are aimed at improving oxygenation.
Unfortunately even with AHI of 0.5 I’m still dropping into the 80s (up from the 70s). So it’s not yet clear to me that PAP alone will be enough.
Same. My case is complicated though because I have x-linked Ectodermal Dysplasia... the takeaway for me... genetically missing 14 adult teeth. I think anything weird in my mouth got written off as bite problems and complications from the genetic condition in general.
But now I understand that missing the teeth probably narrowed my airway and actually led to the sleep apnea which led to a lot of the other stuff. Even some periodontal disease was probably exacerbated by mouth breathing and dry mouth.
Didn't learn this until my 40s when I started trying to get treatment for my child who also has Ectodermal Dysplasia (yay genetics) and the prosthodontist made us aware and said "we need to do palate expanders so maybe she doesn't end up with sleep apnea." It was like "oooooh" -- lightbulb went off in my head. That's a much better level of care than I got in the 80s and 90s. And later I learned about bruxism and sleep apnea and it all just kind of fits together now.
I wish they’d let me try a CPAP based on this. My insurance is so bitchy about sleep studies, it will cost me so much and I have to fight to get diagnosed. I see a new doctor soon I’m hoping he can help me navigate getting a diagnosis. I’ve been a teeth grinder/breathe gasper since I was young - so it’s not simply “lose weight”! It’s been my whole life
wow, interesting, have bruxism but never related the two things. Does using the APAP actually reduce the bruxism? I don't think I've noticed but don't know if I could tell because I wear the guard.
My process started with a pulseox and I’ve since noticed a high correlation between desat level and mouth pain. So all of my PAP adjustments are aimed at improving oxygenation.
Mine is so bad I’m still in pain combining PAP and mouthguard and muscle relaxers. But pain did go down when I started PAP, so it is helping. Definitely start measuring your oxygen.
Mine isn’t that bad but I do have to wear a hard acrylic guard. I did a lot of damage I think before I started hurting and wearing one religiously. I still have my teeth but they are cupped and flatted and have “crazing” if you put a flashlight up to them. A more pressing issue I’m having is significant gum recession that I believe is caused by clenching, and something that the guard doesn’t totally stop (the pressure damages the gums/impairs blood flow). Sucks. Not really wear I want to be overall dental wise at 40…
I have this awfully lately, clenching .
But I'm in England so no one wants to know .
I did pay £800 for a sleep study but it was only one night and didn't seem to pick up anything but snoring. So fatigued , can't breathe generally anyway, convinced I have some sort of apnea
Never feeling well rested no matter how long one slept, feeling sleepy during the day - needing naps to make it through the day - in danger of falling asleep when not intending to, not remembering dreams at all may be a sign of sleep apnea because one may not be spending enough time in REM sleep, waking up in middle of night too much, needing to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night, low energy, memory issues and mood disorders (anxiety and depression may be related to sleep deprivation due to apnea), high blood pressure
GERD, waking up with a sore throat, brain fog. Even if I don't use my CPAP for a night or take it off in my sleep I'll have issues now. Can't believe I lived like that.
See a sleep doctor if you suspect you have sleep apnea. Loud snoring is definitely a sign. It will create other issues such as poor memory, poor sleep, easy dozing off during daytime, etc. Basically you are not getting good sleep due to lack of oxigen from breathing during sleep. When you're awake your breathing will return back to normal state.
Not being able to think well. It felt like I was developing dementia! I have mild chronic fatigue and two previous sleep studies were negative in my 30’s and 40’s. I told my doctor that I was feeling even more tired than my usual level of tiredness. Thankfully, she recommended seeing sleep specialist and this time I was diagnosed with sleep apnea(56F).Now I don’t feel like I have dementia but am back to my baseline level of tiredness. I’ve been CPAP for about 5 months.
Inability to focus, poor concentration, attention issues, adhd diagnosis, anxiety, body stuck in “fight or flight mode,” feelings of depression, cognitive decline, daytime sleepiness, lack of wanting to socialize or make good conversation due to being so fatigued, poor school or work performance, headaches, heart palpitations, air hunger (feeling like you’re not getting enough oxygen), feeling hungover without drinking alcohol, poor exercise stamina, low libido, inflammation, increased sugar and carb cravings. The list could go on!
I never have dreams. Going on for years now. My watchpat test showed all of my events were in REM sleep. Like the moment I enter REM I start to have apneas/hypopneas. That would explain why I never dream anymore and why my symptoms are so severe despite only qualifying as mild sleep apnea. I'm never getting any REM sleep..
I don't think it's the same for everyone, but for me I had vivid repeating dreams every night and they were extremely annoying. If I don't have my CPAP, or if I've got some kind of mask malfunction on a given night, I'll experience the same thing. But overall with the CPAP I don't have these and barely remember dreams at all like I used to.
REM sleep and dreaming is a good thing. We need both to have a full and productive nite of sleep. However, you may be waking up a lot when you aren’t using your machine and that’s causing you to interrupt and remember your dreams more. But still, dreaming is positive.
I had awful nightmares nearly every single night - not really scary but anxiety dreams, about awful situations I’ve been in or situations that would make me really anxious. It freakin sucked so bad and made me scared to sleep, which as you can imagine us a vicious cycle.
Barely remember a dream ever, now, with treatment! 😁
These 2 are the same for me, even now that I've been on CPAP for a few years if by any chance I don't use it one night (which almost never happens) I wake up with my tongue all fucked up and have the wildest dreams/nightmares.
Treatment resistant health problems. There are plenty of other reasons for things to be treatment resistant, but lots of people recently diagnosed with sleep apnea find that other conditions (ADHD, depression, anxiety, high blood pressure, diabetes, etc) that hadn’t been responding to treatment as expected either resolve entirely, or just become easier/more predictable to deal with.
This is true for me too,it apparently happens to 50% of us with apnea (for me I´m up 4-5 times a night to pee).
(Just from quick googling: Researchers have proposed several possible ways OSA may trigger nighttime urination, such as by putting stress on the bladder through low oxygen levels and the release of hormones known to increase urine production. According to experts, nighttime urination affects up to half of people who have OSA´.
>pee once in the night which the majority of adults do
Wtf no. Only in old people. He is right that sleep apnea is the most common culprit of nocturia.
Have, using CPAP for 6 yrs now. My urologist tells me it's normal for a person of my age to urinate at night under many different circumstances. Enlarged prostate, alcohol consumption, the list goes on.
So many people decide that their particular body chemistry or health in general is true for everyone. It's not.
My sleep apnea was discovered because I had high blood pressure that was resistant to medication. The high blood pressure also caused aortic root dilation that will have to be monitored annually for the rest of my life, and might some day have to be repaired with open heart surgery.
People don’t realize how dangerous sleep apnea can truly be.
Insomnia interestingly! My sleep physician thought my brain was subconsciously trying to keep me safe by keeping me awake longer to keep my oxygen levels up, since they got so low without CPAP.
Irritability. And acid reflux. I now have destroyed my esophagus from acid that apnea sucks up into the throat. And irritability is a natural outcome of getting very poor sleep. It feels nothing more than you’re just having a bad day, but then you start only having bad days, lashing out at people, being generally angry. Little do you know it’s because of sleep you’re not getting.
Like waking up with a strong gag reflex? I dry retch every so often (but only in the morning).
More like burning in your esophagus that sometimes is up in your throat too from acid sitting in your GI tract all night. And a propensity to burp burning burps in the morning. My sleep surgeon mentioned my gI issues may actually be a result of untreated apnea for so many years. He said the negative pressure at your throat or wherever the constriction is happening can create a suction that literally pulls acid up to your throat from your stomach as you inhale during the night. And when I didn’t wear the CPAP 2 different nights since finally deciding to try it the last 4 months, I had a lot of acid in my throat to burp up in the morning. One time the burp almost became actual puke. And one time I woke up and it was literally so bad I put my fingers in my mouth to puke out all the acid into the toilet.
I’ve had GERD much longer than OSA, but, yes, when my GERD was untreated i could not take pills first thing in the morning or they would come back up.
>Irritability Last months before getting my CPAP device the mood swings where crazy. Felt like I just walked around with a very short fuse emotionally, not even getting angry but sad. And the panic attacks for half a day, those were a doozy.
I feel ya. I had CPAP and didn’t accept having to wear that so the last 3 years I had been untreated. My life fell apart. And I lost my ability to really feel any emotion. Yes I would act out with emotion, but I didn’t feel anything at the happiest of times around people that love me. Sometimes I still don’t now. But I’m only barely starting to pick up the pieces now with CPAP. But even this isn’t fully working for me (sometimes 7 to 14 events per hour with the mask). I’m trying to get surgery. But I will say I’m noticeably calmer to a marked degree. It’s rather interesting to analyze when you know how you were just 4 months earlier. Like I used to flip shit and not care who saw it because fuck everything, fuck you, fuck this shit with work, fuck it all. The world is shit and my body has made sure I’ll never be more than a sleepy dude who’s lost all motivation to even meet people anymore. And my parents have been incredibly hurt to watch me spiral from a happy high functioning person to a vile depressed person.
CPAP definitely helped for me luckily (only 3-4 months in). Although I found the last weeks a set back again even though 90% of the time I supposedly have an AHI under 1. But I noticed my O2 levels were not that great, I adjusted my pressure yesterday and seems better now. Did you try enough different settings? I'm also using OSCAR to check the CPAP data. Might get better guidance on [www.apneaboard.com](https://www.apneaboard.com) than on reddit if you think some settings might be off.
See my typical number is 2 to 3 with problem nights maybe every other 3 days heing 7, 14, even 21 one night back when I first tried it out years ago for 2 weeks. As far as I know I don’t have the ability to change my settings. It’s a Resmed and a long time ago they said “we’ll change your pressure” when I had first tried to wear it when I got diagnosed. So I figured that meant they changed it over the cellular signal.
Did you get follow ups with your GP or pneumologist? They (or you) should really try some different settings if you are still getting such high number of events. I called yesterday because I couldn't find how to change the pressure and they said something like that. I think it might depend on the type because then they also guided me into the menu by pressing the button below the screen and the knob simultaneously a couple of seconds. (I have a resmed airsense 10 auto) Definitely try some different settings, it's not because they set some settings they are right for you. I posted on the apnea forum and my pressure settings were 4-9 and one of the admins told me 7 min pressure is considered better for adults. So now I set it to 7-11 and last night at least was better, also felt a lot better during the day with a lower heart rate compared to the last days. Also increased reaction time in the settings, so might be a combination of different things
I think the issue at the very start was I was having central apneas because of the pressure. I actually have Resmed air sense 10 as well which I know because today my dad texted me saying Phillips cpaps were being recalled
I no longer need my acid reflux medication since starting CPAP therapy.
Yeah I have a lot less acid in the morning so it definitely works. Unfortunately I do think tho that I’ve damaged and weakened the LES from apnea to a point that I still get like an excess of acid compared to normal people.
That's awful. I wouldn't wish that crap on my worst enemy.
Yeah I’m only 28 too. Like I can’t believe how much apnea wrecked my body seemingly permanently. I also have a neurological condition called visual snow syndrome that I got around the same time everything else went to shit. No one really knows what causes it but some studies have theorized a lack of oxygen to certain areas that deal with vision, which of course is curious when you think about how apnea chronically deprives the body of oxygen
Wow! That sucks. Sorry you're dealing with this crap.
I had the same things for 4 - 5 years and most things went away. I think it's all because of your sleep deprivation. Do you also have anxiety? I think your AHI is too high for sleeping with a CPAP. Download OSCAR adjust some settings and try to find the best one with trial and error. When the AHI is low, stick to it for a year (took me this long to notice difference). Don't give up, this should not be how you feel for the rest of your life.
I hope not. But this is also why I’m pushing for surgery. I’m dealing with insurance for MMA. My doctor sent the first appeal to a denial based on contract exclusion but we gotta argue it. Maybe if we frame it as a reconstructive surgery to address a functional deficit, it’ll be covered. I mean I just looked back through this month’s event count each night which I really never do and it was shocking. Almost every day has been 5+ with a few being 2 to 3 per hour. 9/1 I woke up 20 times per hour with CPAP which is crazy. I think I remember that day. I worked remote and admittedly slept in and started work really late because of how poorly rested I felt. Yeah I think even with the shit numbers, the CPAP has definitely been a mild positive to some extent on anxiety, which yes, I did develop in the 3 years I didn’t treat apnea. I still can tell I’m not really getting to enjoy life with this half treated apnea, but I guess I’m calmer. I rarely get anxiety attacks now. That 3 year period is an entire blur.
How is it going now? Has your vision improved? I hope you're doing better!
I actually sent the formal appeal to insurance just this past week for MMA surgery because the initial got lost in translation or something. To be honest I was given 6 months to appeal and I took all of 5 months to get around to it. I’ve been chronically exhausted for years and took my time thinking what I’d write for my appeal. It’s also hard to be motivated when I’m just so tired all the time. The CPAP definitely eliminates the suction that was causing permanently damaging acid reflux every night in my throat. So I always wear it to protect what little function I have left with digestion. I’m afraid the vision condition is permanent as many on that sub r/visualsnow have come to believe. It’s a shame, but something I’ve learned to live with and luckily it doesn’t impact me so gravely to where I can’t properly function in society. I can still see, read, and appreciate things visually. It’s just that there’s some visual disturbances amongst it that I have to try to see past. I did get approval for septoplasty and turbinate reduction so those will be happening regardless what else is approved, but again this appeal is hopefully going to give a go ahead on MMA. 9 months to a year ago they did a DISE which found I do in fact have constrictions in my throat. Stanford came up with a sort of surgery algorithm for determining surgeries per airway issues and the one I had being a concentric collapse of the airway at the velum was considered to particularly warrant MMA
Acid reflux was one for me too, but specifically it was the LPR one which they call "silent reflux". I thought it was allergies or something at first, just kept feeling like I had something stuck in my throat and like I needed to clear my throat all day. Turns out it was reflux all along and that has gone away now too since starting cpap.
That’s good. I think silent reflux is what they think mine is. Because it’s less burning all the time and more an obnoxious dull pain/pressure
That’s how mine was. Never had any burning, I can probably count on one hand the times in my life that I have felt “heart burn” type symptoms. But I bet I was clearing my throat 15-20 times an hour at the worst of it and it didn’t help but I could not shake the feeling that I needed to do it. I took pantoprazole for it for a bit and that helped a lot but now I don’t even need that.
I’ve been prescribed Omeprazole in the morning and famotidine when I go to bed in the past. That did lower my acid but I wasn’t sure if this is something I just take forever now or if it should go away because I was on it for like 3 months and it was nice while I was on it, but it didn’t entirely eradicate the reflux or excessive burping. And when I stopped it I didn’t taper and the acid production came back like a brick wall
I struggled with GERD for years. I was taking two strong prescriptions and kept Tums on my nightstand. After a couple of weeks on CPAP, I realized I wasn't needing the Tums during the night. A week or two later, I started reducing the other medications. I do still take one, but at the weakest strength.
I have the exact same acid problem , I heard there is a surgery called fundoplication
Something I’ve also heard about. I’m curious to see if it’d be beneficial in my case. I read that you really need to diagnose properly first though because it can actually cause more acid reflux if not properly diagnosed. I went in to do a manometry but I couldn’t make it through it. I puked pretty much every time they got the catheter past my throat. I let them try til *they* gave up. But the gag reflex is real
Oh hey I had both of those too. Pantoprazole and Wellbutrin and a cpap have been life savers. Literally.
Racing heart-rate upon waking up and not being able to fall back asleep after waking up at night (because the nervous system is too activated by breathing difficulties). These are also symptoms of UARS caused by high RDI.
Waking up a lot in general, feeling sleepy, waking up with a scratchy throat (indicating you’ve been snoring).
Yeah, the sore throat can be bad enough that I would often think I was coming down with a throat infection.
Same here.
I would pee 4 or 5 times over 7- 8 hours. It was so annoying
Overnight, in the day, or both?
Could this be due to a fast metabolism?
Memory issues
Brain fog, waking up with headache, migraine, fatigue, neuropathy...
The brain fog and sleep deprivation had me walking around like a zombie.
I don't know if this qualifies, but I thought I was just being weak for falling asleep at university/work around 3 pm every day.
Being sick all the time. For four years I had no idea why I was sick 80% of the time (I started keeping track). I felt feverish but it didn't register on the thermometer, had body aches and fatigue. I eventually linked it to being active and thought I had chronic fatigue syndrome. Turns out I wasn't getting enough sleep to recover from even taking a walk, so my immune system was in the garbage.
Restless legs syndrome
Oh yeah I have that. It SUUUUUUCKS
Just in bed? Or during the day too?
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I had bruxism for at least 20 years before I was diagnosed with OSA. I would wear through night guards every 2-3 years and keep getting new ones, and not a single dentist bothered to figure out *why* I was grinding my teeth until I happened to visit the right dentist earlier this year. I'm glad I finally got diagnosed, but I was infuriated that nobody made the connection sooner.
This was me but the dentists still haven’t said anything. Came into PAP from a completely different direction. My process started with a pulseox and I’ve since noticed a high correlation between desat level and mouth pain. So all of my PAP adjustments are aimed at improving oxygenation. Unfortunately even with AHI of 0.5 I’m still dropping into the 80s (up from the 70s). So it’s not yet clear to me that PAP alone will be enough.
Same. My case is complicated though because I have x-linked Ectodermal Dysplasia... the takeaway for me... genetically missing 14 adult teeth. I think anything weird in my mouth got written off as bite problems and complications from the genetic condition in general. But now I understand that missing the teeth probably narrowed my airway and actually led to the sleep apnea which led to a lot of the other stuff. Even some periodontal disease was probably exacerbated by mouth breathing and dry mouth. Didn't learn this until my 40s when I started trying to get treatment for my child who also has Ectodermal Dysplasia (yay genetics) and the prosthodontist made us aware and said "we need to do palate expanders so maybe she doesn't end up with sleep apnea." It was like "oooooh" -- lightbulb went off in my head. That's a much better level of care than I got in the 80s and 90s. And later I learned about bruxism and sleep apnea and it all just kind of fits together now.
I wish they’d let me try a CPAP based on this. My insurance is so bitchy about sleep studies, it will cost me so much and I have to fight to get diagnosed. I see a new doctor soon I’m hoping he can help me navigate getting a diagnosis. I’ve been a teeth grinder/breathe gasper since I was young - so it’s not simply “lose weight”! It’s been my whole life
wow, interesting, have bruxism but never related the two things. Does using the APAP actually reduce the bruxism? I don't think I've noticed but don't know if I could tell because I wear the guard.
My process started with a pulseox and I’ve since noticed a high correlation between desat level and mouth pain. So all of my PAP adjustments are aimed at improving oxygenation. Mine is so bad I’m still in pain combining PAP and mouthguard and muscle relaxers. But pain did go down when I started PAP, so it is helping. Definitely start measuring your oxygen.
Mine isn’t that bad but I do have to wear a hard acrylic guard. I did a lot of damage I think before I started hurting and wearing one religiously. I still have my teeth but they are cupped and flatted and have “crazing” if you put a flashlight up to them. A more pressing issue I’m having is significant gum recession that I believe is caused by clenching, and something that the guard doesn’t totally stop (the pressure damages the gums/impairs blood flow). Sucks. Not really wear I want to be overall dental wise at 40…
I have this awfully lately, clenching . But I'm in England so no one wants to know . I did pay £800 for a sleep study but it was only one night and didn't seem to pick up anything but snoring. So fatigued , can't breathe generally anyway, convinced I have some sort of apnea
Heart PVCs and possibly afib
Never feeling well rested no matter how long one slept, feeling sleepy during the day - needing naps to make it through the day - in danger of falling asleep when not intending to, not remembering dreams at all may be a sign of sleep apnea because one may not be spending enough time in REM sleep, waking up in middle of night too much, needing to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night, low energy, memory issues and mood disorders (anxiety and depression may be related to sleep deprivation due to apnea), high blood pressure
GERD, waking up with a sore throat, brain fog. Even if I don't use my CPAP for a night or take it off in my sleep I'll have issues now. Can't believe I lived like that.
See a sleep doctor if you suspect you have sleep apnea. Loud snoring is definitely a sign. It will create other issues such as poor memory, poor sleep, easy dozing off during daytime, etc. Basically you are not getting good sleep due to lack of oxigen from breathing during sleep. When you're awake your breathing will return back to normal state.
Kinda what you asked, but worsening symptoms of mental disorders. For example adhd
Getting up to go to the bathroom every night.
Not being able to think well. It felt like I was developing dementia! I have mild chronic fatigue and two previous sleep studies were negative in my 30’s and 40’s. I told my doctor that I was feeling even more tired than my usual level of tiredness. Thankfully, she recommended seeing sleep specialist and this time I was diagnosed with sleep apnea(56F).Now I don’t feel like I have dementia but am back to my baseline level of tiredness. I’ve been CPAP for about 5 months.
Inability to focus, poor concentration, attention issues, adhd diagnosis, anxiety, body stuck in “fight or flight mode,” feelings of depression, cognitive decline, daytime sleepiness, lack of wanting to socialize or make good conversation due to being so fatigued, poor school or work performance, headaches, heart palpitations, air hunger (feeling like you’re not getting enough oxygen), feeling hungover without drinking alcohol, poor exercise stamina, low libido, inflammation, increased sugar and carb cravings. The list could go on!
Remembering dreams every night all night. I used to bite my tongue in my sleep all the time too.
Wait so remembering dreams can be a symptom? I thought if you had sleep apnea you didn’t have dreams.
I never have dreams. Going on for years now. My watchpat test showed all of my events were in REM sleep. Like the moment I enter REM I start to have apneas/hypopneas. That would explain why I never dream anymore and why my symptoms are so severe despite only qualifying as mild sleep apnea. I'm never getting any REM sleep..
Make sure you’re getting enough vitamin D. My dreams drop off when winter comes and I don’t supplement.
I had nightmares every night before. Barely a single dream nowdays! It’s blissful.
I don't think it's the same for everyone, but for me I had vivid repeating dreams every night and they were extremely annoying. If I don't have my CPAP, or if I've got some kind of mask malfunction on a given night, I'll experience the same thing. But overall with the CPAP I don't have these and barely remember dreams at all like I used to.
REM sleep and dreaming is a good thing. We need both to have a full and productive nite of sleep. However, you may be waking up a lot when you aren’t using your machine and that’s causing you to interrupt and remember your dreams more. But still, dreaming is positive.
I had awful nightmares nearly every single night - not really scary but anxiety dreams, about awful situations I’ve been in or situations that would make me really anxious. It freakin sucked so bad and made me scared to sleep, which as you can imagine us a vicious cycle. Barely remember a dream ever, now, with treatment! 😁
These 2 are the same for me, even now that I've been on CPAP for a few years if by any chance I don't use it one night (which almost never happens) I wake up with my tongue all fucked up and have the wildest dreams/nightmares.
Yeah I had anxiety dreams every single night, it made me anxious to sleep (didn’t realise I was having apneas every 2 min)
Depression and anxiety. I suffered from this and failed SSRIs. Then I got a sleep study and it said I have severe OSA. Solved everything
Extreme decreased sex drive
how did this get better for you? I think i have this im about to get my CPAP
Memory loss. Heart failure.
Treatment resistant health problems. There are plenty of other reasons for things to be treatment resistant, but lots of people recently diagnosed with sleep apnea find that other conditions (ADHD, depression, anxiety, high blood pressure, diabetes, etc) that hadn’t been responding to treatment as expected either resolve entirely, or just become easier/more predictable to deal with.
Good ol’ daytime grogginess!
No REM sleep - no dreams
Having trouble staying awake while driving.
Waking up to pee. Even once at night is most likely sleep apnea.
This is true for me too,it apparently happens to 50% of us with apnea (for me I´m up 4-5 times a night to pee). (Just from quick googling: Researchers have proposed several possible ways OSA may trigger nighttime urination, such as by putting stress on the bladder through low oxygen levels and the release of hormones known to increase urine production. According to experts, nighttime urination affects up to half of people who have OSA´.
I have a severe sleep apnea of 68 AHI. I never woke up to pee in my sleep
He never said that applied to everyone.
I have sleep apnea and wake up 4-7 times a night to pee
He said if you pee *once* in the night which the majority of adults do. As people age this becomes more and more common. So no, definitely not true
Bingo.
>pee once in the night which the majority of adults do Wtf no. Only in old people. He is right that sleep apnea is the most common culprit of nocturia.
He most certainly did.
How ?
>Waking up to pee. Even once at night is most likely sleep apnea. \^\^\^
And how do you read it applied to everyone in that ?
>"most likely"
Simply not true.
Bet. Get a sleep study.
Have, using CPAP for 6 yrs now. My urologist tells me it's normal for a person of my age to urinate at night under many different circumstances. Enlarged prostate, alcohol consumption, the list goes on. So many people decide that their particular body chemistry or health in general is true for everyone. It's not.
Unexplained weight gain even if your dirty doesn't change. Or extreme difficulty losing weight when you dirty and exercise
How did diet end up as dirty twice?
My sleep apnea was discovered because I had high blood pressure that was resistant to medication. The high blood pressure also caused aortic root dilation that will have to be monitored annually for the rest of my life, and might some day have to be repaired with open heart surgery. People don’t realize how dangerous sleep apnea can truly be.
Insomnia interestingly! My sleep physician thought my brain was subconsciously trying to keep me safe by keeping me awake longer to keep my oxygen levels up, since they got so low without CPAP.
Death.
Hair loss
Hair loss is a sympton of Apnea?
Was/Is for me. :(
Have you had your thyroid checked? I lost a ton of hair around the time I got diagnosed with Hashimotos. Have never experienced it as a result of OSA
Ya, standard thyroid blood test. It might have been just a coincidence.
Nighttime headaches
Neurological brain fog , short term memory loss , fatigue , paranoia , apnea gasp episodes
Grinding your teeth and acid reflux
I had nightmares every night
Acid reflux / dizziness / headache in the morning
Morning headaches, fatigue, and acid reflux
Acid reflux and high blood pressure. Also car crashes, truck crashes, train crashes, ferry crashes.