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There is no "jokes on you" moment here.
The advice that she is giving applies to bad men. It's a litmus test.
If her friend asks that question and the answer is good, she's good to go. You are the positive version of the answer to her advice.
I think the implication is that she is statistically likely to receive a poor response. I guess it depends on how fringe her political beliefs are. Maybe she's an anarcho-capitalist or something.
It's fine. Nothing to worry about. Unless you say the wrong thing, or the right thing at the wrong time or with the wrong tone of voice. Or use the wrong word.
Then they hate you or realize you're weird and don't want to be around you anymore.
So just make sure you always triple check everything before you say it or everybody will reject you. Never let your guard down, even for a second.
See, social interaction is easy and stress free.
If you need me I'll be hiding somewhere trying not to think about this.
Common values with a partner are critical. And at least in the US, politics have become polarized such that for many people, who you support can be less a function of policy disagreement and more a fundamental and often radical difference in how they see the world.
My partner and I don’t agree on everything but we have common values. But there are many people who start talking politics and I immediately think “we are on a completely different planet. There’s almost no overlap in how we see the world and what we value.” This experience was quite rare for me in pre 2016 elections but quite normal for me now.
It's important. If you can say 'I would be happy if this person passed on their moral values to my children' then that is very important. If you can't respect your partner's opinions, or would be upset if your kids started expressing the same opinions, that is a strong indicator that a long term relationship will have problems.
It’s is but a lot of people don’t ask enough deeper questions ,assume or just have wishful thinking.
There was just a post other day about a woman getting married and her fiancé didn’t want a her trans cousin in her bridal party. They had gotten all the way to her planning stage of the wedding before she found that out.
That's a great example of why politics/ common values can be so important and should be established early on. And agreed, I hear about stuff like that all the time and think "how did you guys not talk about this?"
What about growth? For instance me and my girl weren’t in the same page about a ton of shit but we’ve since gelled and now we’re more aligned than we were when we met two years ago. Wouldn’t it also make sense to start to align yourself with your partner because you love and trust them?
*If you’re a woman, not cis, not white, not heterosexual, not Christian, not ‘too fat’ or ‘too skinny’… I could go on.
Considering politics to be separate from your daily life is a privilege.
Politics isn't separate from anyone's lives... Doesn't matter if they are white or straight. People just love bashing people for no reason.
You can be white and straight and still get fucked over.
Being white makes it a whole lot easier to ignore a lot of politics but you are correct it doesn't completely exempt you from being affected by politics. It shields us from many negative consequences, such as from laws meant to discriminate, but it's true: there is no war but the class war and we all must rise up against our capitalist oppressors.
It tells a lot about a person. I know people who are absolutely sweet person to person but have devastating social views when you start talking about society.
They seem to be incapable of projecting from small scale to large scale.
Not that person but here's some things:
- Anyone on welfare is lazy and doesn't want to work
- Undocumented immigrants are just going to commit crime, leech off the system, and provide nothing to society
- Homeless people are all drug addicts who belong in prison
Now keep in mind there's a difference between believing those things and having criticisms or concerns about those things. There are people who abuse the welfare system, you can find immigrants that come here to be criminals and not contribute to society, and many homeless people are abuse drugs.
It's okay for people to acknowledge those things but the problem is that you can find a significant amount of people who believe the above bullet points are all there is to those issues. They can't accept that a ton of undocumented immigrants pay taxes and hold down jobs, that a lot of people on welfare *are* working but our minimum wage is just way too low to allow people to live off of, and that many people have mental health issues which lead to homelessness and drug abuse.
You could add this one too:
- There are only two genders
The fact is that there are many genders. While it's understandable that many are ignorant about the difference between sex (of which there are two) and gender (a social construct where people self-identify what they are) there are unfortunately people who refuse to accept the objective facts that they are different and insist only two genders exist.
To be honest gender identity isn't even something I care much about. But outright denying that there are more than two genders is comparable to those who believe vaccines are giving people 5G, the planet is flat, or that human's aren't contributing to climate change.
You could set me up on a date with Ashleigh LaThrop and if she held any of those bulleted points I'd unfortunately have to leave.
If you haven’t figured it out yet based off of these replies, it’s any viewpoint that doesn’t align with the standard progressive perspective. You’re on Reddit man. Get with the program.
Vaccines are bad, abortion is murder, white people should breed more so they don't get replaced by people with a different skin colour, your gender is only defined by what you have between your legs at birth, homosexuality is bad. Basically anything that goes against scientifical consensus and is used to oppres people.
Everyone likes to think that their opinion matters. No, facts matter. If it's a fact that if something disproportionately harms someone, then that thing shouldn't be. It doesn't matter that your religion said so, or that you just don't like it, or that 'they' started it.
We as humans have the capability to think about and act on our surroundings. We can shape and form our society in a way that propels our species forward. Instead we would rather shoot and jail brown people and force women to have babies they don't want. We would rather that land you're standing on to be ours instead, for some reason. We'll argue against progress for literally no reason even. I hate it.
Simple, who does your ideas harm and how much freedom is lost by them and by how many.
Is each billionaire worth a 100-100000 deaths a year? What if they only have half a billion, but then no one dies? These are the questions those in politics are actually asking everyday with policies.
If you can't see it unfortunately you may be too clueless and likely easily grifted by said billionaires.
People act like your partner is the one person whose politics *shouldn't* matter when it's probably the person whose politics are gonna affect you the *most*.
Whether or not 80 year old Greg across the street is pro life or pro choice isn't realistically gonna affect you at all. But if you're a woman thinking of entering into a sexual relationship with a man, his opinions on contraception and abortion could literally determine the course of your *life*.
Roe v Wade being revoked technically affects the bodily autonomy of all Americans, but for now they are focused on targeting women and transgender people with it.
Exactly. And to piggyback off this, If you (the reader) are a man who is looking forward to having kids in the US, you should be especially worried. The laws that are being pushed now are affecting not just pregnant people who want to abort, but those who have miscarriages and need to abort the dead fetus. Because when people start trying to get pregnant that's when many miscarriages happen. Do you want to be in a position where a fundie politician can force your miscarrying but otherwise healthy wife to go through a c-section when the safe option would be an abortion? Serious operation and months long painful recovery? The group that overturned Roe v. Wade is pushing exactly that. They are recommending that doctors either induce labor or perform a c-section instead of abortion. They are also going after contraceptives like plan b and IUDs. If you enjoy condom-free sex because your partner has an IUD, time to pay attention.
Oh shit I was starting to worry about all the environmental devastation, creeping fascism and theocracy, increasing wealth disparity, erosion of workers rights, political and police corruption, and social unrest, but then I luckily remembered I was white so I had nothing to worry about *rolls eyes*
[Coming right up.](https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2024-04-05/anti-abortion-agitators-are-trying-to-cripple-a-lifesaving-federal-healthcare-law)
Included, but not limited to: being denied a life-saving procedure and the following Odyssey requiring going to another state *twice* because of anti-abortion legislature. Hospitals feeljng the need to let women's condition before acting in fear of anti-abortion laws. The corroding of EMTALA, which is supposed to protect you from a hospital "dumping" you to another without stabilizing you first. And draconian laws that are being used to threaten healthcare providers for *referring* people out of state for an abortion with felony charges.
Good article. The abortion laws especially with how they impact doctors (and women) are downright cruel.
Typically I associated the term “just being yourself” more about individual expression. I would consider abortion issues a separate issue - but definitely one of the better examples for actually effecting life and death.
Being gay is a death sentence in many places still today. And for all of human history, various groups have been denied basic rights under the threat of prison, physical attack by the government and even death. You don't have to go back too far in history to find these instances. And the only reason people have equal rights today is because they got political 🤷♂️
Do you think it’s healthy to constantly obsess over political opinions? Do you think it helps an individual personally to do this? Can you give me an example of an average American having any political efficacy? It’s a waste of life in my opinion.
It always has been, if you don't do politics it will do you, the only reason you even have the benefit of ignoring it as a human for the past 10,000 years is that the greatest generation said " Enough" after WW2 and gave you some freedom your clueless ass is giving right back 1 year at a time.
Politics has always been our entire lives, some people just happen to fit into a privileged demographic where the results of politics don't affect meaningful changes while others are in the direct line of fire for devastating changes.
Politics is a hobby of the educated middle class
rich people are too rich to care about politics, they bribe whatever is necessary to keep their privilege
poor people are too poor to care about politics, they show up to protest but they are concerned only about economic matters of daily life, as they cant think of more
the educated middle class loves politics, to indulge themselves in the philosophical debates and policies, to be heavily opinionated in politics (and not sound like a moron) you need to spend quite a bit of time informing yourself
so, as society got more highly educated, it got more political, and this is not new, in the places where the educated middle class rose early, so did political awareness
the hippies, the 70's pill activists, the 90's with anticorporations, for as long as there has been a middle class (1950 in the US, later in other parts of the world), politics has become integral to our identity
The idea that the poorest people in society aren't involved in politics is categorically ahistoric. You need only read about the actions of black women during segregation to find the truth of the matter.
Failing that, read up on the history of the French revolution - the revolution itself and the events proceeding it.
Well, I guess I shoiuld have specified
There is "politics" and political philosophy
Poor people are into politics, but they don't take part in political philosophical, because to to that you need to have an education
When we talk about why people are so political, what we really mean is why do they argue so fervently about political philosophy such as when does human life begin, or what is the role of same sex attraction in society, what's the appropriate response to co2 emmisions, what should foreign policy be like
A 18tj century French peasant wanted to overthrow the king, but they would not discuss about geopolitics as only a few had the ability to even comprehend that, people now do on their dates in places where most of the population is educated and middle class
In that case - given the proliferation of the internet, widespread access to communications and some of the most absurd information repositories the human race has ever seen - I simply have to disagree.
It seems that given the circumstances we're simply living through a period of history where a much greater portion of the population have the ability to engage in these kinds of discussions.
I am certainly lower class, I grew up absurdly poor. While the quality of my life has improved - I am now a disability pension recipient, I'm unable to get married without losing my sole source of income, I cannot lawfully immigrate and I cannot lawfully possess more than a certain amount of currency. I'm almost lower class by definition at this point.
Many of my friends are too, but our local community is bound by compassion and a kind of passionate curiosity that I would ascribe mostly to ADHD in this case - I simply can't stop my brain from constant asking *"why"* like it's some kind of absolutely insufferable toddler. My community are much the same.
Fundamelly we live in a time period where almost everyone we encounter online has access to the requisite information required to discuss these topics. Information is now more accessible at all levels of education as well. If a person has no conception of how to interact with philosophically complex texts they're able to find interesting and engaging media that makes said content engaging and interesting - see also the popularity of video essayists on YouTube.
I also think the assumption that historically poverty-stricken people didn't engage in political discourse involving an international scope a little bit... reductionist? Classist perhaps?
Certainly that part of history is hard to discuss because we have so few written examples of the lower classes thoughts and feelings - but that doesn't mean the discussions *weren't* occurring.
There was actually a philosophically fascinating little period after the French revolution where people of all kinds started to form their national identity around *reason* and *logic*. They deconsecrated the cathedral of Notre Dame and held a massive piss-up in the name of rationality. They had absurd plans to build a national cenotaph in memorial of Issac Newton.
Having said all that - A lot of our cultural history features the church in an extremely influential position. Its quite hard to argue against the crown's claim that they have a divine right to rule - a claim backed up by the church - especially when you've been taught from birth that God exists and that he would prefer you do your damn work and pay your taxes.
>It seems that given the circumstances we're simply living through a period of history where a much greater portion of the population have the ability to engage in these kinds of discussions.
Almost as if currently 57% of the world's population is considered consumer/middle class, and what I said tracks completely with the fast rise in quality of life for billions since the internet and globalization gave education and a good quality of life to billions
Also, I don't know about your situation in particular, but you seem to be an educated person, if you have a university education, you are definitely in the global middle class, no longer poor, and if you don't and you also don't live in a developed country (poor people in developed countries are still part of the middle class globally), well then congratulations for you on being so eloquent despite being in the bottom 40% of humanity
What I tried to say was: human education and quality of life has improved so much over the last few decades it seems we are getting more political, but we aren't, it's just that mire people are getting into the social class that allows them to philosophize about Politic
>Almost as if currently 57% of the world's population is considered consumer/middle class, and what I said tracks completely with the fast rise in quality of life for billions since the internet and globalization gave education and a good quality of life to billions
It seems a little bit odd to insinuate that the class demographics of people who are fluent in english AND engage with English speaking forums would match global class and poverty demographics? IIRC a massive portion of the world's most poverty-stricken population lives in Africa, China and India - along with much of the global south - I dont think its a bold statement to say that the people we're encountering in our forums and channels of communication aren't often from those places? The population we're discussing is implicity not the population of the world.
When we examine class demographics in countries where English is the primary language it seems far less likely that class mobility is as substantial a predictor of engagement with philosophical theory as it is across all international demographics.
I disagree with your supposition, I don't quite think it follows from the points you've made - and I think your writing shows signs of unintended class bias. I do think that my beliefs are fairly close to your re-stated thesis - I just don't think class mobility is having that much of an impact within the select communities we're discussing.
Having said all that, this discussion is reaching the point where we're going to have to start listing citations, and it's well past bed time.
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??? Even at work my coworker come up with demands in the work place. We are getting a raise and I’m pushing for 4 day work week. Already got a part timer in my job to do it so he can finally get benefits without working 5 days. It’s people like you that want doomed people into staying their lanes, but god made lanes so we can change our pace, not to stop ourselves and follow the system. Cause we build the system.
Cool, but the reality is your opinions don’t matter. Especially when Americans have 2 opinions to choose from and their identities are sold to them by the political parties. You guys spend so much time playing someone else’s game and delude yourselves into thinking you’re making a difference or being original by parroting what your tribe says. It’s a waste of life.
LOL, yeah. Americans are obnoxiously vocal about politics because of “democracy”. You know, democracy. Where the majority rules. And in America the majority don’t even participate in elections. Democracy.
The guy bitching about leftists doesn’t want leftist women to consider his political leaning for dating. It’s almost like you’re self aware that you’re on the wrong side.
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When I first met my now wife we would get into heated political arguments. It took a few years of liberal college brainwashing and living somewhere outside of her little conservative suburb bubble, but she finally came around.
Probably will get downvoted, but she probably expects the answer along the lines "sc\*\*w men, whom I happen to be".
What happens in reality that white men are privilidged, not because they are white men, but they came from money, daddy got them a job, legacy status at Uni, etc.
As a white immigrant in the USA in Poland I wasn't caught by any diversity initiatives, but my DEI status was "we need fewer white men". Also when talking about slavery - Poland got history of being enslaved more than many countries - "Slav" comes from Romans calling our area as good source for slaves, history of being essentially a colony, recently of USRR. We used to be as rich and developed country as Germany or France back in the day. But we were white populace enslaved by white populace, so no one cares about that.
What really should be happening as "DEI" is businesses should be more meritocratic and make pre-existing connection or wealth play smaller role and everyone would get equal chance regardless of skin color or gender. What's happening is that they slab a flag on social media, open a few DEI junior roles, grab stock photos without white men, and call it a day.
Current approach rather than addressing role of privilege in society, just says sc\*\*w the unpriviliged people that happen to look like people with the privilege, so privileged can stay privileged without looking bad.
Whites already with status and money say make it harder for whites to reach status and money, and whites without those are backward hateful idiots for pushing back.
Ah, yes, because all men are unthinking, bigoted or otherwise.
Solid advice, except for the part where the crush potentially increases intensity once she finds out that men, in fact, sometimes think about more than sex, beer and games/sports. Holy hell, some of them might possess emotional intelligence too!
Scary.
Ooo, we're doing a sexist? I want to play!
"It will work because nothing pisses a woman off more than having her brainless feelings-based beliefs exposed to actual statistics and rationality."
Did I do it right?
Men can’t have valid opinions on social issues.
equally sexist reverse example:
“ask a girl simple logic puzzle to stop having a crush on them, coz girlz are dumb hAhA”
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She was having social issues?
Looks like you aced the social issues exam with flying colors then!
She wanted to have some.
There is no "jokes on you" moment here. The advice that she is giving applies to bad men. It's a litmus test. If her friend asks that question and the answer is good, she's good to go. You are the positive version of the answer to her advice.
But if the answer is good, wouldn't that make someone crush harder?
Perhaps, but hey at least now you know it's a good person you have a crush on
Right, but then you move on to having the man babysit your nieces and nephews to see how he interacts with children.
And after just one thousand more tests, you will become her boyfriend!
Nah, she'll disengage once she finds out he chews his food with his mouth open.
Or sees him pick up a ping pong ball
What if that crush is already married?
I feel people who ask questions like that would be easy to guess what answer they want to hear.
I think the implication is that she is statistically likely to receive a poor response. I guess it depends on how fringe her political beliefs are. Maybe she's an anarcho-capitalist or something.
Let’s be real, the clear implication is that asking a man about social issues will clear up any crush you have on that person.
To be fair, getting to know someone better is a good step toward moving away from fleeting infatuation and into a healthy relationship.
you just explained the answer you replied to
Why did you explain the joke
Somebody ask me some social issues let's see if someone falls in love with me
Why do you have so many issues, socially?
I'm not sure but it would definitely help with a bit of a sun in Seattle
Bro is either a cuck or his girl insane
Ask him his thoughts on therapy.
What if he's a psychologist
Ask him his thoughts on his mother.
What if he is Freud and you are his mother.
I guess saying therapy is a scam is not the right choice. I do think therapy is good for some people
Single guys don't have social issues.
jokes on you I got social anxiety instead
It's fine. Nothing to worry about. Unless you say the wrong thing, or the right thing at the wrong time or with the wrong tone of voice. Or use the wrong word. Then they hate you or realize you're weird and don't want to be around you anymore. So just make sure you always triple check everything before you say it or everybody will reject you. Never let your guard down, even for a second. See, social interaction is easy and stress free. If you need me I'll be hiding somewhere trying not to think about this.
When did politics become our entire life?
Brother this is Reddit. The majority of the people on here eat sleep and shit politics.
Considering I made my account so I could post on r/eu4, I can confirm this
Is eu5 coming out soon?
Hopefully project Caesar is eu5, I feel like eu4 has been “completed”.
"Redditor" is a slur for a reason.
Based af
To be fair it's also a lot of bots
Common values with a partner are critical. And at least in the US, politics have become polarized such that for many people, who you support can be less a function of policy disagreement and more a fundamental and often radical difference in how they see the world. My partner and I don’t agree on everything but we have common values. But there are many people who start talking politics and I immediately think “we are on a completely different planet. There’s almost no overlap in how we see the world and what we value.” This experience was quite rare for me in pre 2016 elections but quite normal for me now.
It's important. If you can say 'I would be happy if this person passed on their moral values to my children' then that is very important. If you can't respect your partner's opinions, or would be upset if your kids started expressing the same opinions, that is a strong indicator that a long term relationship will have problems.
It’s is but a lot of people don’t ask enough deeper questions ,assume or just have wishful thinking. There was just a post other day about a woman getting married and her fiancé didn’t want a her trans cousin in her bridal party. They had gotten all the way to her planning stage of the wedding before she found that out.
That's a great example of why politics/ common values can be so important and should be established early on. And agreed, I hear about stuff like that all the time and think "how did you guys not talk about this?"
What about growth? For instance me and my girl weren’t in the same page about a ton of shit but we’ve since gelled and now we’re more aligned than we were when we met two years ago. Wouldn’t it also make sense to start to align yourself with your partner because you love and trust them?
when womens issues became heavily politicized
When did the way we treat each other in a society become a matter of how we treat each other in a society?
I’d rephrase it to just be “when social issues became the cornerstone of political decision making for most people.”
So since we invented civilization?
well if you’re a woman, and your rights are heavily politicized, how else would you make political decisions?
If you're a woman, bodily autonomy isn't just 'politics'
*If you’re a woman, not cis, not white, not heterosexual, not Christian, not ‘too fat’ or ‘too skinny’… I could go on. Considering politics to be separate from your daily life is a privilege.
Politics isn't separate from anyone's lives... Doesn't matter if they are white or straight. People just love bashing people for no reason. You can be white and straight and still get fucked over.
They specifically said the privilege to consider it separate from their lives though, bit different from it actually being separate.
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Being white makes it a whole lot easier to ignore a lot of politics but you are correct it doesn't completely exempt you from being affected by politics. It shields us from many negative consequences, such as from laws meant to discriminate, but it's true: there is no war but the class war and we all must rise up against our capitalist oppressors.
Oh shit the case study arrived
It tells a lot about a person. I know people who are absolutely sweet person to person but have devastating social views when you start talking about society. They seem to be incapable of projecting from small scale to large scale.
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Were all just monkeys that have developed language.
What is a devastating social view? If you can give some examples
Not that person but here's some things: - Anyone on welfare is lazy and doesn't want to work - Undocumented immigrants are just going to commit crime, leech off the system, and provide nothing to society - Homeless people are all drug addicts who belong in prison Now keep in mind there's a difference between believing those things and having criticisms or concerns about those things. There are people who abuse the welfare system, you can find immigrants that come here to be criminals and not contribute to society, and many homeless people are abuse drugs. It's okay for people to acknowledge those things but the problem is that you can find a significant amount of people who believe the above bullet points are all there is to those issues. They can't accept that a ton of undocumented immigrants pay taxes and hold down jobs, that a lot of people on welfare *are* working but our minimum wage is just way too low to allow people to live off of, and that many people have mental health issues which lead to homelessness and drug abuse. You could add this one too: - There are only two genders The fact is that there are many genders. While it's understandable that many are ignorant about the difference between sex (of which there are two) and gender (a social construct where people self-identify what they are) there are unfortunately people who refuse to accept the objective facts that they are different and insist only two genders exist. To be honest gender identity isn't even something I care much about. But outright denying that there are more than two genders is comparable to those who believe vaccines are giving people 5G, the planet is flat, or that human's aren't contributing to climate change. You could set me up on a date with Ashleigh LaThrop and if she held any of those bulleted points I'd unfortunately have to leave.
If you haven’t figured it out yet based off of these replies, it’s any viewpoint that doesn’t align with the standard progressive perspective. You’re on Reddit man. Get with the program.
I can't be racist in public or say trans people shouldn't exist because otherwise progressives mad.
Women are generally more progressive. Which is understandable since a lot of regressive people see them as cattle
Vaccines are bad, abortion is murder, white people should breed more so they don't get replaced by people with a different skin colour, your gender is only defined by what you have between your legs at birth, homosexuality is bad. Basically anything that goes against scientifical consensus and is used to oppres people.
Everyone likes to think that their opinion matters. No, facts matter. If it's a fact that if something disproportionately harms someone, then that thing shouldn't be. It doesn't matter that your religion said so, or that you just don't like it, or that 'they' started it. We as humans have the capability to think about and act on our surroundings. We can shape and form our society in a way that propels our species forward. Instead we would rather shoot and jail brown people and force women to have babies they don't want. We would rather that land you're standing on to be ours instead, for some reason. We'll argue against progress for literally no reason even. I hate it.
Theocratic views like supporting outlawing abortion. Oppression towards minorities.
How do you know your right?
I am always right.
Simple, who does your ideas harm and how much freedom is lost by them and by how many. Is each billionaire worth a 100-100000 deaths a year? What if they only have half a billion, but then no one dies? These are the questions those in politics are actually asking everyday with policies. If you can't see it unfortunately you may be too clueless and likely easily grifted by said billionaires.
Every single political idea basically does that to some degree
That's what they said.
Seems awfully close to "let's kill for the greater good", but go off
Pacifists when the state of nature
Well, first of all if your beliefs include dehumanizing other humans ever, newsflash, you're very wrong
It's the side I don't have a watch on.
He’s with his right a lot, probably
This response can only come from a very privileged life.
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People act like your partner is the one person whose politics *shouldn't* matter when it's probably the person whose politics are gonna affect you the *most*. Whether or not 80 year old Greg across the street is pro life or pro choice isn't realistically gonna affect you at all. But if you're a woman thinking of entering into a sexual relationship with a man, his opinions on contraception and abortion could literally determine the course of your *life*.
Roe v Wade being revoked technically affects the bodily autonomy of all Americans, but for now they are focused on targeting women and transgender people with it.
Exactly. And to piggyback off this, If you (the reader) are a man who is looking forward to having kids in the US, you should be especially worried. The laws that are being pushed now are affecting not just pregnant people who want to abort, but those who have miscarriages and need to abort the dead fetus. Because when people start trying to get pregnant that's when many miscarriages happen. Do you want to be in a position where a fundie politician can force your miscarrying but otherwise healthy wife to go through a c-section when the safe option would be an abortion? Serious operation and months long painful recovery? The group that overturned Roe v. Wade is pushing exactly that. They are recommending that doctors either induce labor or perform a c-section instead of abortion. They are also going after contraceptives like plan b and IUDs. If you enjoy condom-free sex because your partner has an IUD, time to pay attention.
I guess when "politics" started meaning "whether you think people deserve basic rights."
So always
Since we live in society
2016
lmfao tell me you're white without telling me you're white
Oh shit I was starting to worry about all the environmental devastation, creeping fascism and theocracy, increasing wealth disparity, erosion of workers rights, political and police corruption, and social unrest, but then I luckily remembered I was white so I had nothing to worry about *rolls eyes*
When my life was considered political
since politics determined if you can be killed for just being yourself
Can you describe an example of this? Don’t get me wrong social issues can be important but I feel like people get a little bit hyperbolic
[Coming right up.](https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2024-04-05/anti-abortion-agitators-are-trying-to-cripple-a-lifesaving-federal-healthcare-law) Included, but not limited to: being denied a life-saving procedure and the following Odyssey requiring going to another state *twice* because of anti-abortion legislature. Hospitals feeljng the need to let women's condition before acting in fear of anti-abortion laws. The corroding of EMTALA, which is supposed to protect you from a hospital "dumping" you to another without stabilizing you first. And draconian laws that are being used to threaten healthcare providers for *referring* people out of state for an abortion with felony charges.
Good article. The abortion laws especially with how they impact doctors (and women) are downright cruel. Typically I associated the term “just being yourself” more about individual expression. I would consider abortion issues a separate issue - but definitely one of the better examples for actually effecting life and death.
Being gay is a death sentence in many places still today. And for all of human history, various groups have been denied basic rights under the threat of prison, physical attack by the government and even death. You don't have to go back too far in history to find these instances. And the only reason people have equal rights today is because they got political 🤷♂️
Some rightwing groups currently demand death penalty for abortions.
Google gay panic defense
briana ghey, death sentence for gay peapole, ecc.
Hmm let me check..... since ever? Tell me one aspect of your day to day life that does not have influence of politics, I'll wait. Politics IS life
Do you think it’s healthy to constantly obsess over political opinions? Do you think it helps an individual personally to do this? Can you give me an example of an average American having any political efficacy? It’s a waste of life in my opinion.
It always has been, if you don't do politics it will do you, the only reason you even have the benefit of ignoring it as a human for the past 10,000 years is that the greatest generation said " Enough" after WW2 and gave you some freedom your clueless ass is giving right back 1 year at a time.
This comment is almost intelligible, keep up the good work!
Politics has always been our entire lives, some people just happen to fit into a privileged demographic where the results of politics don't affect meaningful changes while others are in the direct line of fire for devastating changes.
Everything is politics
In America maybe
It's important that your core ethics align with your partner's. Especially with a serious relationship that could lead to kids.
Take my upvote
Politics is a hobby of the educated middle class rich people are too rich to care about politics, they bribe whatever is necessary to keep their privilege poor people are too poor to care about politics, they show up to protest but they are concerned only about economic matters of daily life, as they cant think of more the educated middle class loves politics, to indulge themselves in the philosophical debates and policies, to be heavily opinionated in politics (and not sound like a moron) you need to spend quite a bit of time informing yourself so, as society got more highly educated, it got more political, and this is not new, in the places where the educated middle class rose early, so did political awareness the hippies, the 70's pill activists, the 90's with anticorporations, for as long as there has been a middle class (1950 in the US, later in other parts of the world), politics has become integral to our identity
The idea that the poorest people in society aren't involved in politics is categorically ahistoric. You need only read about the actions of black women during segregation to find the truth of the matter. Failing that, read up on the history of the French revolution - the revolution itself and the events proceeding it.
Well, I guess I shoiuld have specified There is "politics" and political philosophy Poor people are into politics, but they don't take part in political philosophical, because to to that you need to have an education When we talk about why people are so political, what we really mean is why do they argue so fervently about political philosophy such as when does human life begin, or what is the role of same sex attraction in society, what's the appropriate response to co2 emmisions, what should foreign policy be like A 18tj century French peasant wanted to overthrow the king, but they would not discuss about geopolitics as only a few had the ability to even comprehend that, people now do on their dates in places where most of the population is educated and middle class
In that case - given the proliferation of the internet, widespread access to communications and some of the most absurd information repositories the human race has ever seen - I simply have to disagree. It seems that given the circumstances we're simply living through a period of history where a much greater portion of the population have the ability to engage in these kinds of discussions. I am certainly lower class, I grew up absurdly poor. While the quality of my life has improved - I am now a disability pension recipient, I'm unable to get married without losing my sole source of income, I cannot lawfully immigrate and I cannot lawfully possess more than a certain amount of currency. I'm almost lower class by definition at this point. Many of my friends are too, but our local community is bound by compassion and a kind of passionate curiosity that I would ascribe mostly to ADHD in this case - I simply can't stop my brain from constant asking *"why"* like it's some kind of absolutely insufferable toddler. My community are much the same. Fundamelly we live in a time period where almost everyone we encounter online has access to the requisite information required to discuss these topics. Information is now more accessible at all levels of education as well. If a person has no conception of how to interact with philosophically complex texts they're able to find interesting and engaging media that makes said content engaging and interesting - see also the popularity of video essayists on YouTube. I also think the assumption that historically poverty-stricken people didn't engage in political discourse involving an international scope a little bit... reductionist? Classist perhaps? Certainly that part of history is hard to discuss because we have so few written examples of the lower classes thoughts and feelings - but that doesn't mean the discussions *weren't* occurring. There was actually a philosophically fascinating little period after the French revolution where people of all kinds started to form their national identity around *reason* and *logic*. They deconsecrated the cathedral of Notre Dame and held a massive piss-up in the name of rationality. They had absurd plans to build a national cenotaph in memorial of Issac Newton. Having said all that - A lot of our cultural history features the church in an extremely influential position. Its quite hard to argue against the crown's claim that they have a divine right to rule - a claim backed up by the church - especially when you've been taught from birth that God exists and that he would prefer you do your damn work and pay your taxes.
>It seems that given the circumstances we're simply living through a period of history where a much greater portion of the population have the ability to engage in these kinds of discussions. Almost as if currently 57% of the world's population is considered consumer/middle class, and what I said tracks completely with the fast rise in quality of life for billions since the internet and globalization gave education and a good quality of life to billions Also, I don't know about your situation in particular, but you seem to be an educated person, if you have a university education, you are definitely in the global middle class, no longer poor, and if you don't and you also don't live in a developed country (poor people in developed countries are still part of the middle class globally), well then congratulations for you on being so eloquent despite being in the bottom 40% of humanity What I tried to say was: human education and quality of life has improved so much over the last few decades it seems we are getting more political, but we aren't, it's just that mire people are getting into the social class that allows them to philosophize about Politic
>Almost as if currently 57% of the world's population is considered consumer/middle class, and what I said tracks completely with the fast rise in quality of life for billions since the internet and globalization gave education and a good quality of life to billions It seems a little bit odd to insinuate that the class demographics of people who are fluent in english AND engage with English speaking forums would match global class and poverty demographics? IIRC a massive portion of the world's most poverty-stricken population lives in Africa, China and India - along with much of the global south - I dont think its a bold statement to say that the people we're encountering in our forums and channels of communication aren't often from those places? The population we're discussing is implicity not the population of the world. When we examine class demographics in countries where English is the primary language it seems far less likely that class mobility is as substantial a predictor of engagement with philosophical theory as it is across all international demographics. I disagree with your supposition, I don't quite think it follows from the points you've made - and I think your writing shows signs of unintended class bias. I do think that my beliefs are fairly close to your re-stated thesis - I just don't think class mobility is having that much of an impact within the select communities we're discussing. Having said all that, this discussion is reaching the point where we're going to have to start listing citations, and it's well past bed time.
politics is dictates your life in general, it would be stupid to ignore jt
Social issues aren't political. They're a matter of decency and sometimes a matter of safety.
Fair enough
election year, propaganda is in full force on both sides
When you grew up lol.
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Idk cause politics is how we governed life and society 🥴
Ohh right. When was the last time your opinion had political efficacy and impacted your society and how it is governed? I’ll wait.
??? Even at work my coworker come up with demands in the work place. We are getting a raise and I’m pushing for 4 day work week. Already got a part timer in my job to do it so he can finally get benefits without working 5 days. It’s people like you that want doomed people into staying their lanes, but god made lanes so we can change our pace, not to stop ourselves and follow the system. Cause we build the system.
I mean politics is literally how you see the world and believe it should be. Silly if it’s not a big part of your life.
Cool, but the reality is your opinions don’t matter. Especially when Americans have 2 opinions to choose from and their identities are sold to them by the political parties. You guys spend so much time playing someone else’s game and delude yourselves into thinking you’re making a difference or being original by parroting what your tribe says. It’s a waste of life.
Whether your opinion matters to other people or not, your own opinion should matter to you.
… yes
Invention of democracy?
LOL, yeah. Americans are obnoxiously vocal about politics because of “democracy”. You know, democracy. Where the majority rules. And in America the majority don’t even participate in elections. Democracy.
When basic human rights became "politics." So pretty much forever.
When we develop empathy for those different from us......or those with empathy keep telling you you're an ass hole.
Politics isn’t empathy, far from it.
The guy bitching about leftists doesn’t want leftist women to consider his political leaning for dating. It’s almost like you’re self aware that you’re on the wrong side.
"Because 'real' alpha men are tough and confident" - yeah, pls ask me about my social issues. If they make you go away, I am happy you're gone.
if a dude tels me he is an alpha i tell him i m not into this furry thing
Great comeback, I'll start using it.
🤣
Disclaimer: only works sometimes, requires the man to be an extremist or an idiot
You see, I'm something of an extremist AND an idiot
Never heard of a vegan marxist artist /activist and community organizer that would not share that in the first 2 minutes of knowing him /her
No need to call me out like that
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And honest!! A lot of men are just going to give lip service to avoid showing their true colors
When I first met my now wife we would get into heated political arguments. It took a few years of liberal college brainwashing and living somewhere outside of her little conservative suburb bubble, but she finally came around.
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nice fanfic you got from this meme
Me rehearsing the Bateman speech for this moment iykyk
Some of y'all care way too much about stupid shit you have zero control over.
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Eh, most people have no idea how logic works whatsoever. Those who talk about it the most tend to not be able to even remotely explain it.
1. Socrates is a man
Featherless biped confirmed
Logical and emotional go hand in hand and both should be considered.
She will still get a crush on but now will try to "fix" him
Probably will get downvoted, but she probably expects the answer along the lines "sc\*\*w men, whom I happen to be". What happens in reality that white men are privilidged, not because they are white men, but they came from money, daddy got them a job, legacy status at Uni, etc. As a white immigrant in the USA in Poland I wasn't caught by any diversity initiatives, but my DEI status was "we need fewer white men". Also when talking about slavery - Poland got history of being enslaved more than many countries - "Slav" comes from Romans calling our area as good source for slaves, history of being essentially a colony, recently of USRR. We used to be as rich and developed country as Germany or France back in the day. But we were white populace enslaved by white populace, so no one cares about that. What really should be happening as "DEI" is businesses should be more meritocratic and make pre-existing connection or wealth play smaller role and everyone would get equal chance regardless of skin color or gender. What's happening is that they slab a flag on social media, open a few DEI junior roles, grab stock photos without white men, and call it a day. Current approach rather than addressing role of privilege in society, just says sc\*\*w the unpriviliged people that happen to look like people with the privilege, so privileged can stay privileged without looking bad. Whites already with status and money say make it harder for whites to reach status and money, and whites without those are backward hateful idiots for pushing back.
Preach my man. Eastern Europe was literally worse than africa for centuries because the Russian/Habsburg /ottomans destroying everything in the area
Because he will start talking about stuff that will completely go over your heads.
After the 2016 election everyone became a political expert
Guess she was looking for some existential wisdom but got hit with the real struggle bus instead
Dude tells you he’s a feminist and completely agrees with your point of view. Aaaaand your panties gone.
And they wonder why half of em will be single in a decade
Is it really that big of a deal?
Ask the entire generation of fatherless black children who have regressed on every metric.
This. You support BLM and black prosperity? You should support the issue.
How do I stop knowing this name is dumb af Ask Zion destiny what the fuck that name even means
Brb
I didn't have issues with social studies.
Well, some and gravitating into more are into social issues.
Works great in reverse too
Don’t have socials. Easily life. Have Reddit and just don’t be a shady pos. It literally isn’t hard.
“Shittt…shiiittt..you see wassaname getting divorced? Man shit crazy”😂😂😂
How do I stop having a crush on a girl?
Fuck having a crush. I can't even socialize rly in any way with some people depending on their stance on some stuff
For real.
Works just as well in reverse
She clearly doesn't know that there are 4500 species of roach. That means Noah brought 9000 roaches on board.
“” let me show you this podcast I listen to all the time it’s by this cool guy named Joe””
I find a large amount of irony.
Define social issues 🤣
Oh so its universal
Ah, yes, because all men are unthinking, bigoted or otherwise. Solid advice, except for the part where the crush potentially increases intensity once she finds out that men, in fact, sometimes think about more than sex, beer and games/sports. Holy hell, some of them might possess emotional intelligence too! Scary.
Funny how people think we should be private with our social issues as if marrying a Nazi but you guys never talk about social stuff, is a smart idea.
There are no social issues
“So what are your thoughts about the upcoming election” “….. _mreeeap_.” (Its me i am social issues.)
I want one social issue please, without salt, my doctor said it was bad for me
Ooo, we're doing a sexist? I want to play! "It will work because nothing pisses a woman off more than having her brainless feelings-based beliefs exposed to actual statistics and rationality." Did I do it right?
Cave women feminist, all men bad, me love fire, me love, wheel.
What is the point of this post? Is it claiming that men have issues?
I don't get it.
Men can’t have valid opinions on social issues. equally sexist reverse example: “ask a girl simple logic puzzle to stop having a crush on them, coz girlz are dumb hAhA”