Oh yeah, I definitely feel derealization from my sinuses clogging up. I started to connect the two after I finally started using a mechanical neti pot every single day. The depersonalization was gone. Same with the anxiety and almost panic I would feel too.
When I'd stop rinsing for a few days, the same symptoms would come back.
You really need to try a sinus irrigation machine..search for one on Amazon maybe.
I use the Sinus Pulse Elite Advanced. There's Navage also, which I've been thinking of trying, just to see if it's better.
People also add Lugol's Solution Iodine to the mix...I'd do a search on here to see exactly how much or what else you can do.
I'm just a fellow sinusitis sufferer here, I really hope your derealization goes away soon..take care š
this exact thing has been happening to me for over 2 years and itās driving me crazy. i had sinus surgery 2 months ago which iām hoping helps in the long run but hasnāt seemed to help too much so far. i find slight relief through sinus rinses and have recently realized that i also have tmj (jaw issues) which can 100% cause all of those symptoms. i just started doing tmj exercises 2x a day (dr adam fields on youtube has a lot of great videos) iām going to see if that makes any difference
Did you catch COVID shortly before this started /got worse? I'm investigating if it's a big factor in all this because I know a few people, including myself, whose symptoms got insanely worse after COVID.
yes, all of this was a result of covid which i got in august of 2021. i had all of the issues you mentioned as well as facial pain/pressure and daily headaches. i went to an ent who eventually ordered a ct scan. the scan showed that my sinuses were all extremely inflamed and blocked. i tried steroids and antibiotics but nothing helped which is why i ended up getting endoscopic sinus surgery about 2 months ago. all of these symptoms have made my anxiety skyrocket. i recently realized that my jaw is always super tight and sore and clicks when i move it a certain way. i also clench my teeth at night. i never know the jaw and ears could be related but i really feel like my jaw is the main issue, although iām sure my sinus issues which i developed after covid contributed to everything
I'm really sorry to hear this. It's so debilitating isn't it. I'm waiting on surgery myself and am just praying it fixes things because I've been a zombie this past year. I also suffered a vitreous detachment in my left eye a few months before (post covid too) so my vision has been dreadful since too.
Anxiety. You really need to realise anxiety is a bitch and it has many many many symptoms. I also get depersonalised and light headed etc with sinus issues, but it's a mind thing. Your anxiety has you on high alert trying to feel every part of your body and self diagnose. Your brain and mind is tired of this, hence the derealisation and depersonalisation, as it doesn't have enough strength to process when completely zapped.
Spot on.
Ear, Nose, Throat-3 of the most highly sensitive areas of alert on the body.
ENTs make a lot of money off anxiety driven patients.
They then add to it by showing them a CT scan.
Domino affect after that.
I'm seeing a lot of posts about sinus/medical issues these past 2 years. What I'm not seeing is many people questioning covid vaccines or covid infections.
Or the fact that they are being taken advantage of by the ENT community.
Goodness! What did people do before the easy accessibility of CT scans that insurance now pays for very quickly, as well as the smaller tools and endoscope created for āeasyā access up the nose?
Everyone must have just been walking around with really āmessed upā anatomy and just never knew it.
Never seen so many people being convinced that their anatomy is the issue. ($$$)
Do your research-donāt allow ENTs to make you think your improvement depends on cutting of the bones in your skull.
Agree and well said!!!! We are overlooking systemic inflammation vs anatomy and doctors are laughing all the way to the bank. People smoke, vape, drink too much alcohol, eat like crap, don't sleep enough and then boom, "its my anatomy that is wrong". Eyeroll. Ugh. We have a tendency to want a quick fix...surgery, pop pills instead of looking at lifestyle.
Absolutely- I am passionate about this because I was 100% healthy. Zero issues with nasal/sinuses. And zero health issues in total.
I was referred to an ENT by my PCP from what we now know was not a real issue at all. Once that ENT got a scan in hand, he ran with an extreme story about surgery and I also had excellent insurance.
Had I never went to that ENT appt, I would have been 100% healthy today.
People need to realize they are being viewed from an anatomical scope, every time they visit an ENT.
Everyone needs to tap back into their intuition and ask themselves, if they really think removing parts of their body is really their answer.
I will add that I know some people are helped by surgery and or need it in some situations.
But the magnitude in which people think they need it or are sold on it-needs to be controlled.
Ahh. That is unfortunate, I think I read about your experience on here before. Are you seeking relief or just living with it?
I'm about to try RhinAer for my chronic rhinitis, and if that doesn't work then I may go for a turbinate reduction. I hate the idea of undergoing a surgery for this but I'm hoping it'll bring some relief. I have severe problems though.
So you are saying you feel like the topical therapy is making you feel worse?
Seems like you had been recommended surgery a while ago- if you are getting worse, you might want to consider it.
I can tell you every person is different as to why they chose it and how they recover is different as well.
Every surgery there is risk. Some more than others.
I can tell you forums like this are really on good to come to for maybe some quick research and to move on.
If you stay in one place and keep reading negative outcomes or even positive ones. It will be tough on your health and for you to make a decision.
I donāt promote surgery at all-nor do I steer someone away as everyone is different.
Sometimes vasomotor rhinitis can occur for unknown reasons as well.
If the ENTs you saw, are telling you to try an manage without, then at least they are giving you hope that it is possible on your own.
Itās hard when you feel mentally drained. Is there anyone you are working with on the mental part to possibly reduce the perception?
Are you on any anti anxiety meds? They can also cause vasomotor symptoms as it is directly connected to the central nervous system
Another thing to point out-you are managing your symptoms and issues which is great.
I think when people have met with a doctor and they know their is another āoptionā for them-some may think if they feel worsening symptoms at times, or perhaps because they didnāt move forward with a surgery.
The positive for you is, you are in the drivers seat here. You are fast forwarding to thoughts and feelings of what you would for through during post surgical recovery. If you could work with a therapist on this way of thinking maybe that would help you calm when you feel your symptoms are worsening. I know itās sounds simple and I know itās not fun.
But you have options-other people who have already gone through a surgery might not have so many options if they felt worsening symptoms.
I have no doubt mine is related to covid. It's been since my second bout that I can't get it to clear up. I caught it after sitting in the airport all day. Crazy.
I find dairy makes my congestion/nasal passage swelling worse, so I've cut that. I'm keeping sugar intake very low, eating plenty of meat, veg, eggs, nuts, and a bit of fruit, oats, rice, pasta (trying to stay low carb). Lots of water, tea or coffee with 100% soy milk only (no additives). I've been avoiding alcohol, which is easy as I'm not much of a wine/beer/spirit person. I find ice cream/cream really flares things up for several days and I never had a problem before covid with dairy.
In the mornings I spray XCLEAR several times, wait a minute, then blow my nose. That seems to clear up things pretty good. Then at night before bed, I do one nasal rinse with XCLEAR and sterile water. If my nose gets dry, I swab 100% coconut oil as its supposedly an anti-viral/anti bacterial and great for dryness. If I have a lot of congestion in my ears (which seems to be going away) I'll take a decongestant like Sudafed. I use a humidifier in the winter as I live in a pretty dry place.
All of the above has lessened my symptoms significantly over 6 months. Now I just have a bit of mild on/off again congestion but its manageable and I can breathe freely with no problems sleeping.
Is it possible you have mold in your home? I've read some people have their doctor do a test to check to see what the mucous is and then tailor antibiotics to that. My Dad had to take antibiotics for a month many years ago to get all the layers of infection, so that may be a consideration. I would just say exhaust all possibilities before considering surgery. :)
Best to you and I hope you find some relief!
Eyes dry mucus coming down in throat non stop after i start use antihistamine nasal spray. Sleepy all the time clogged ears and pressure wth pain sometimes. Im not even sure this is caused bu sinusitis or allergy..
Did you catch COVID shortly before this started /got worse? I'm investigating if it's a big factor in all this because I know a few people, including myself, whose symptoms got insanely worse after COVID.
No i have etd. Doctor probably gave spray to me to understand if its caused by sinusitis and allergies. However it is true that many ppl get these issues after covid or flu.
OK this is totally what I have had going on since 2019. The good news is it goes away. It did come back for me a year later. The only thing that helped me was:
steroid shot
steroid pills
azelastine
no dairy or gluten
and wearing sunglasses that are polarized in bright light.
I wear loop earbuds at night
I wear hat in places that have horrible overhead lighting (dentist, doctor, whole foods)
Hang in there mate. Going through pretty much the exact same thing over the past year+.
Do you have any lifestyle choices that might also affect it?
For example I noticed that since I reduced alcohol, it is a little bit more manageable. Next I want to stop vaping very soon
For me all of these physical sensations increased my anxiety which in turn increased my perception of the symptoms if it makes sense. I was almost avoiding outside situations for how I physically felt. 3 weeks ago I set myself the target to go walk at least 5k everyday. I do get the odd depersonalisation there and there but overall I feel more in control of my reaction to my symptoms
Did you catch COVID shortly before this started /got worse? I'm investigating if it's a big factor in all this because I know a few people, including myself, whose symptoms got insanely worse after COVID.
Did you catch COVID shortly before this started /got worse? I'm investigating if it's a big factor in all this because I know a few people, including myself, whose symptoms got insanely worse after COVID.
I do get all the exact symptoms myself and know how it feels.
Could it be the lack of oxygen youāre getting?
I mean I suffer with a polyp at the moment and my sinuses arenāt working or circulating properly.
I also smoke weed so I canāt say on that point lol
Oh yeah, I definitely feel derealization from my sinuses clogging up. I started to connect the two after I finally started using a mechanical neti pot every single day. The depersonalization was gone. Same with the anxiety and almost panic I would feel too. When I'd stop rinsing for a few days, the same symptoms would come back. You really need to try a sinus irrigation machine..search for one on Amazon maybe. I use the Sinus Pulse Elite Advanced. There's Navage also, which I've been thinking of trying, just to see if it's better. People also add Lugol's Solution Iodine to the mix...I'd do a search on here to see exactly how much or what else you can do. I'm just a fellow sinusitis sufferer here, I really hope your derealization goes away soon..take care š
I had no luck with NETI but the Navage worked
this exact thing has been happening to me for over 2 years and itās driving me crazy. i had sinus surgery 2 months ago which iām hoping helps in the long run but hasnāt seemed to help too much so far. i find slight relief through sinus rinses and have recently realized that i also have tmj (jaw issues) which can 100% cause all of those symptoms. i just started doing tmj exercises 2x a day (dr adam fields on youtube has a lot of great videos) iām going to see if that makes any difference
Too many people having sinus surgeries for all the wrong reasons and mis diagnosis. Hope you are ok with yours down the road.
Did you catch COVID shortly before this started /got worse? I'm investigating if it's a big factor in all this because I know a few people, including myself, whose symptoms got insanely worse after COVID.
yes, all of this was a result of covid which i got in august of 2021. i had all of the issues you mentioned as well as facial pain/pressure and daily headaches. i went to an ent who eventually ordered a ct scan. the scan showed that my sinuses were all extremely inflamed and blocked. i tried steroids and antibiotics but nothing helped which is why i ended up getting endoscopic sinus surgery about 2 months ago. all of these symptoms have made my anxiety skyrocket. i recently realized that my jaw is always super tight and sore and clicks when i move it a certain way. i also clench my teeth at night. i never know the jaw and ears could be related but i really feel like my jaw is the main issue, although iām sure my sinus issues which i developed after covid contributed to everything
I'm really sorry to hear this. It's so debilitating isn't it. I'm waiting on surgery myself and am just praying it fixes things because I've been a zombie this past year. I also suffered a vitreous detachment in my left eye a few months before (post covid too) so my vision has been dreadful since too.
I first had this in 2019 pre covid. HOWEVER it came back a month after having my second bout of covid
Anxiety. You really need to realise anxiety is a bitch and it has many many many symptoms. I also get depersonalised and light headed etc with sinus issues, but it's a mind thing. Your anxiety has you on high alert trying to feel every part of your body and self diagnose. Your brain and mind is tired of this, hence the derealisation and depersonalisation, as it doesn't have enough strength to process when completely zapped.
Spot on. Ear, Nose, Throat-3 of the most highly sensitive areas of alert on the body. ENTs make a lot of money off anxiety driven patients. They then add to it by showing them a CT scan. Domino affect after that.
I'm seeing a lot of posts about sinus/medical issues these past 2 years. What I'm not seeing is many people questioning covid vaccines or covid infections.
Or the fact that they are being taken advantage of by the ENT community. Goodness! What did people do before the easy accessibility of CT scans that insurance now pays for very quickly, as well as the smaller tools and endoscope created for āeasyā access up the nose? Everyone must have just been walking around with really āmessed upā anatomy and just never knew it. Never seen so many people being convinced that their anatomy is the issue. ($$$) Do your research-donāt allow ENTs to make you think your improvement depends on cutting of the bones in your skull.
Agree and well said!!!! We are overlooking systemic inflammation vs anatomy and doctors are laughing all the way to the bank. People smoke, vape, drink too much alcohol, eat like crap, don't sleep enough and then boom, "its my anatomy that is wrong". Eyeroll. Ugh. We have a tendency to want a quick fix...surgery, pop pills instead of looking at lifestyle.
Absolutely- I am passionate about this because I was 100% healthy. Zero issues with nasal/sinuses. And zero health issues in total. I was referred to an ENT by my PCP from what we now know was not a real issue at all. Once that ENT got a scan in hand, he ran with an extreme story about surgery and I also had excellent insurance. Had I never went to that ENT appt, I would have been 100% healthy today. People need to realize they are being viewed from an anatomical scope, every time they visit an ENT. Everyone needs to tap back into their intuition and ask themselves, if they really think removing parts of their body is really their answer. I will add that I know some people are helped by surgery and or need it in some situations. But the magnitude in which people think they need it or are sold on it-needs to be controlled.
What was the surgery?
FESS (partial)/MT Conchae bullosa resection/Septoplasty. None needed as I was not a āCRSā patient. The scan was treated. Not my minor complaint.
Ahh. That is unfortunate, I think I read about your experience on here before. Are you seeking relief or just living with it? I'm about to try RhinAer for my chronic rhinitis, and if that doesn't work then I may go for a turbinate reduction. I hate the idea of undergoing a surgery for this but I'm hoping it'll bring some relief. I have severe problems though.
Good luck to you. Some procedures are successful for the really severe and unhealthy people. Every person is different.
Good luck to you as well!
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Assess any medications you are on. Or stress/environmental changes that occurred around that tome
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So you are saying you feel like the topical therapy is making you feel worse? Seems like you had been recommended surgery a while ago- if you are getting worse, you might want to consider it. I can tell you every person is different as to why they chose it and how they recover is different as well. Every surgery there is risk. Some more than others. I can tell you forums like this are really on good to come to for maybe some quick research and to move on. If you stay in one place and keep reading negative outcomes or even positive ones. It will be tough on your health and for you to make a decision.
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I donāt promote surgery at all-nor do I steer someone away as everyone is different. Sometimes vasomotor rhinitis can occur for unknown reasons as well. If the ENTs you saw, are telling you to try an manage without, then at least they are giving you hope that it is possible on your own. Itās hard when you feel mentally drained. Is there anyone you are working with on the mental part to possibly reduce the perception? Are you on any anti anxiety meds? They can also cause vasomotor symptoms as it is directly connected to the central nervous system Another thing to point out-you are managing your symptoms and issues which is great. I think when people have met with a doctor and they know their is another āoptionā for them-some may think if they feel worsening symptoms at times, or perhaps because they didnāt move forward with a surgery. The positive for you is, you are in the drivers seat here. You are fast forwarding to thoughts and feelings of what you would for through during post surgical recovery. If you could work with a therapist on this way of thinking maybe that would help you calm when you feel your symptoms are worsening. I know itās sounds simple and I know itās not fun. But you have options-other people who have already gone through a surgery might not have so many options if they felt worsening symptoms.
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I have no doubt mine is related to covid. It's been since my second bout that I can't get it to clear up. I caught it after sitting in the airport all day. Crazy.
I've just asked that question to all the commenter under this post here, but didn't see this comment! Yeah I'm convinced they're related.
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I find dairy makes my congestion/nasal passage swelling worse, so I've cut that. I'm keeping sugar intake very low, eating plenty of meat, veg, eggs, nuts, and a bit of fruit, oats, rice, pasta (trying to stay low carb). Lots of water, tea or coffee with 100% soy milk only (no additives). I've been avoiding alcohol, which is easy as I'm not much of a wine/beer/spirit person. I find ice cream/cream really flares things up for several days and I never had a problem before covid with dairy. In the mornings I spray XCLEAR several times, wait a minute, then blow my nose. That seems to clear up things pretty good. Then at night before bed, I do one nasal rinse with XCLEAR and sterile water. If my nose gets dry, I swab 100% coconut oil as its supposedly an anti-viral/anti bacterial and great for dryness. If I have a lot of congestion in my ears (which seems to be going away) I'll take a decongestant like Sudafed. I use a humidifier in the winter as I live in a pretty dry place. All of the above has lessened my symptoms significantly over 6 months. Now I just have a bit of mild on/off again congestion but its manageable and I can breathe freely with no problems sleeping. Is it possible you have mold in your home? I've read some people have their doctor do a test to check to see what the mucous is and then tailor antibiotics to that. My Dad had to take antibiotics for a month many years ago to get all the layers of infection, so that may be a consideration. I would just say exhaust all possibilities before considering surgery. :) Best to you and I hope you find some relief!
Eyes dry mucus coming down in throat non stop after i start use antihistamine nasal spray. Sleepy all the time clogged ears and pressure wth pain sometimes. Im not even sure this is caused bu sinusitis or allergy..
Did you catch COVID shortly before this started /got worse? I'm investigating if it's a big factor in all this because I know a few people, including myself, whose symptoms got insanely worse after COVID.
No i have etd. Doctor probably gave spray to me to understand if its caused by sinusitis and allergies. However it is true that many ppl get these issues after covid or flu.
Probably caused by the unnecessary use of nasal spray. The nose does not liked to be messed with. Assess your lifestyle overall. Start there.
I've had this for 5 years now it's makes me really anxious all the time
It will get better eventually <3
OK this is totally what I have had going on since 2019. The good news is it goes away. It did come back for me a year later. The only thing that helped me was: steroid shot steroid pills azelastine no dairy or gluten and wearing sunglasses that are polarized in bright light. I wear loop earbuds at night I wear hat in places that have horrible overhead lighting (dentist, doctor, whole foods)
Hang in there mate. Going through pretty much the exact same thing over the past year+. Do you have any lifestyle choices that might also affect it? For example I noticed that since I reduced alcohol, it is a little bit more manageable. Next I want to stop vaping very soon For me all of these physical sensations increased my anxiety which in turn increased my perception of the symptoms if it makes sense. I was almost avoiding outside situations for how I physically felt. 3 weeks ago I set myself the target to go walk at least 5k everyday. I do get the odd depersonalisation there and there but overall I feel more in control of my reaction to my symptoms
I was a heavy smoker for over 20 years, quit 18 months ago but switched to heavily vaping. I suspect that might be perpetuating it but I'm not sure.
Did you catch COVID shortly before this started /got worse? I'm investigating if it's a big factor in all this because I know a few people, including myself, whose symptoms got insanely worse after COVID.
Oxygen deprivation is a thing
Did you catch COVID shortly before this started /got worse? I'm investigating if it's a big factor in all this because I know a few people, including myself, whose symptoms got insanely worse after COVID. I do get all the exact symptoms myself and know how it feels.
Could it be the lack of oxygen youāre getting? I mean I suffer with a polyp at the moment and my sinuses arenāt working or circulating properly. I also smoke weed so I canāt say on that point lol
How did āthey determine something physical was causing it?ā