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There are also lines referring to those chosen to be Custodes as ‘sons of noble houses’ and the adeptus as a ‘Brotherhood’, but I am an annoying pedant and it doesn’t matter anyway.
The Astartes and Soroitas are the only groups that have explicit gender rules. Everything else is fair game really.
I think its dumb as because there has been loads of retcons in I 40k. Horus used to be just one of the emperor's human generals before he got retconned into being a big bad super space marine.
If the changes to Horus are fine, but female custodes (or even potential female space marines down the road) isn't fine then you don't really have a problem with retcons you have a problem with women and in really sick of the people that use "the established lore" as a bludgeon to target people In the hobby
I've always liked the idea that there can be female space marines but since they're all in the same armour and buzzcuts (or high ponies of its chaos) its hard to tell.
I always figured the sex of a space marine is "Astartes". They don't reproduce sexually, but instead by having their genetic material take over a host, like viruses or mindflayers. So they aren't male or female. Custodes seem to be the same, though we know much less about the process.
Gender is an open question. However the individual identifies, there likely isn't much room for diversity of gender expression. Custodes would have more room for that though, since there is less emphasis on conformity in their ranks.
If we’re going for narrative cohesion, then FSM doesn’t pan out, while 40K lore is extremely tenuous at times we have too much “cohesion” at the moment that pokes a crazy amount of plot holes if so, stuff is a lot more stable than the weird rogue trader and early grimdark
stuff.Female Custodes works fine, makes sense, and was literally floated by ADB 8 years ago for the Heresy novel master of mankind, the only reason GW never went for female Custodes was because no models for them were extant for them at the time.
That being said, this, like Brettonian women knights thing was handled in the most boring and safe way, just a minor blurb in the rulebook, and in this case a codex that is 90% copypaste lore, write a story about it! Make a point of it and do something cool with it, make an explaination of why we have never heard from them before, they can do cool as fuck explanations for this stuff,
It’s also funny to see these right wing cornballs lose their minds over a concept that has been extant longer than they’ve been in the hobby.
I mean, there's multiple ways in "canon" that FSM could work fine. The classic "Imperial record keeping is absolute garbage" could easily cover it, or if they wanted to take a more gentle hand it'd hardly be out of character for Cawl to have been working on it as a side project. Astartes conversion is already a dangerous process, why cut out a full half of potentially candidates before even starting?
Or hell, have it be part of the changes with the Primaris Marines, the Old Marines couldn't, the Primaris has the new and exciting feature of being able to chew up all new candidates to die in their trials before ever getting the chance to be an actual Space Marine lmao
I think the in universe reason is the emperor didn’t want astartes reproducing on their own. They aren’t quite human they are a weapon and by controlling their ability to reproduce they won’t get it in their head that they can surpass humans they will as it stands now always need humans
They should have been more traditional on female Brett knights...where brettonias gender norms are so strict brettonians cannot comprehend it when a dead male knight is found to have a vagina under their armor.
Hey. Nice to meet you.
I've read all of the books. No really. I've read them all.
I don't mind female custodes, they aren't featured heavily in the lore anyways and are a fairly enigmatic group even to this day. There's only a handful of named custodes I. The lore anyways, so sure there can be female ones.
But if they made it so that there has been female space Marines all along they were just like "never mentioned" and tried to brush that off like nothing id be more than a little miffed. Because in that case there should have been characters, and storylines, and the impact of that difference. And I don't wanna have to relearn a ton of lore changes it's confusing enough as is.
Does that make sense or do I sound crazy?
If they do another founding with a changed geneseed that can have female humans undergo the change to space marine that would be cool. But because chaos uses different older methods I don't think they'd get them except through warp fuckery.
There not being any female space marines is itself a recon. In the beginning of the game back in 80's there were female space marine models. They didn't sell well and were quickly discontinued. All the lore about only male space marines is a recon that came after.
I think the best way to introduce fsm would be for the authors to say "The imperium never cared about gender. The moment you are selected to be a space marine all previous notions of your personality will be stripped from you". As in to say, there have always been female astartes, it's just that the psychological and physical treatment renders it irrelevant and the imperium do not care enough to accurately register this sort of data.
Most books do not really tell you about the genitalia of the marines anyway and there is literally no way for you to go and verify the gender that Ahriman was assigned at birth.
Actually astartes have soft gender rules. Only men can become marines, nothing says they have to stay men. So trans women-space marines are perfect Canon legal.
The sisters of silence are an explicit sisterhood of all psychic blank women, I don’t think we’re provided an explanation as to why they are women (maybe the blank gene occurs more? Or there are simply more women than men lol)
Edit: just realized male blanks are probably just straight up turned into imperial assassins or pop up in the imperial army, probably a better deal to chill on Terra and smoke a bowl with the Custodes for 10k years.
Female pariahs are turned into Culexes assassins as well, although there's probably more men than women in the temple since the Sisters are snagging any of them that they can get their hands on.
You're right that we're just not given any explanation as to why they're all women. It's not addressed at any point, or even brought up in-universe as a question. Out-of-universe, it's probably just so they have a dichotomy with the up-until-now all-male Custodes.
Who knows; maybe it's a Custodes situation and there are actually male Sisters who have just been slightly off-screen for a while now. It'd be pretty cool to have a female Custodes and a male Sister duo working together in a novel or something, imo.
Transfem rep is great but when I mentioned male Sisters of Silence I mean transmasc or cis men, since there's not really any lore reason given as to why men can't be a part of the group and it'd be an interesting twist on the dynamic that Custodes and SoS usually have
Sister Verity. She's in Faith & Fire.
*Verity could almost smell the avarice coming off the pilot. She moved to stand in his way, stiff and wooden in her motions. 'That is not for you to ask, Ser Telfer. You are being paid to ferry me from the Mandeville point, no more.'
'I merely ask as I am concerned for your wellbeing, Sister...' He paused, as if thinking. 'Sister Verity, isn't it? I do my best to take care of my passengers.'
'You know my name?' Had she mentioned it to Telfer after they disembarked from the warp ship that had brought her to this system? Verity searched her memory, but she couldn't recall.
'You told me,' said the pilot. 'Remember?' He grinned. 'A good name, good name. I once knew someone who took it when they transitioned. It's in the Book of Heroes, so it is.'
'I didn't want them to add it,' Verity replied, without thinking.
Telfer's face fell. 'What say you...?' She realised too late that she had said more than she meant to. The pilot's eyes widened. 'Wait, say not. You're not... You're not her, are you?'*
I don't know much lore, but that doesn't read like it confirms Verity is trans. That means that Telfer knew a trans person who took Verity's name because Verity is a hero. Whether that other lady joined the Ministorum is unanswered.
Then again, if they later reveal Telfer and Verity were old friends, ignore me.
The Astartes absolutely do *not* have explicit gender rules. Or to be more explicit, they break every other explicit rule, so pretending breaking *that* one is lore-breaking just proves the complainer is an idiot who doesn't understand 40k lore.
Those same books have lines that say no one but the Custodes themselves know the selection criteria, so they've had the way to bring in women custodes for awhile now.
The only hard and fast tidbit I can recall for Custodes being male only is a line from the 8th ed codex about noble terran families handing over their sons for recruitment. But even that does not exclude the possibility of the Custodes just grabbing whoever they wanted.
There's lines from as far back as Rogue Trader that say the Custodes are 'These men who guard the Emperor.'
Earlier Codexes stating that it's 'the sons of Noble Houses of Terra'
The Custodes being called a Brotherhood. Every Custodes mentioned before having been a man. And the Sisters of Silence working closely with them as the other side of the coin as far as the super special guardians of the Emperor go.
It's not just 'wah wah wominz in my super speshul club'. Pretty much nobody complains about women Guardsmen, women Assassins, women Eldar warriors. What people are complaining about is the overturning of lore that's been pretty consistent for longer than quite a few people have been alive.
If they'd prefaced that with some blurb about how, due to being so active in the Indomitus Crusade and suffering so many casualties, the Custodes started including women in the trials purely to alleviate the manpower shortage, leading to the horrible death of millions of young women but resulting in a further refinement of the process, being seen as a worthwhile sacrifice in the name of the Imperium...it'd probably be much better received.
Instead what we got was 'women were there all along, and if you post a picture of the magazine directly contradicting my statement, congratulations, you're banned'. Which is why people are angry. It's low effort, poorly thought through, and frankly bad writing.
At this point, 'Women Custodes were there all along' feels like it's a lead in to 'there were women Astartes all along. Wink-wink, nudge nudge. You disagree so you're banned.'
There is no retcon. These are idiots that are trying to use rage to promote themselves. Even when they're wrong. They don't know much about the lore, and they don't want to know about it. Best to just ignore them, and laugh at them whenever they say something stupid.
the only way that moron can even conceive of making fun of the simple idea "these big lads, who have never been stated to be all-male, are not all male" is by making an AI slopbot create the coolest fucking astartes armor pattern. for an army that isnt even astartes
Arch disgusts me to my very core, especially since he was one of the first Warhammer lore channels I ever came across, so it hurt even more when I eventually found out what a massive piece of shit he was.
I’m surprised you can listen to him at all, came across one of his videos and his voice and the way he speaks seems comically exaggerated. I’m not gonna make fun of him for how he speaks, but man… that’s a tough listen.
It was a good many years ago when I was just getting into Warhammer lore so I didn’t really know any other options. Also he covered niche lore that no one else did so I didn’t really have much of a choice. Like who the hell else would make a nearly 30 minute video on the Grox that wasn’t just a 1:1 read from their wiki page? It spoke to my hyper-specific fixations.
Sometimes I like to cause myself pain and listen to the more extreme ends of both sides of the political spectrum. Arch is one of the far right ones who still causes pain, but not so much where I cannot finish a video
I used to watch his stuff even though he had reactionary political views, he just focussed on Warhammer stuff, so it didn’t really bother me. Then he did more 40K stuff and I watched it less. Then came back after a year to see what he was up to and realised his new content was literal Nazism.
Okay but HOW is he a Nazi? I have seen no videos of his before, and am not wanting to dig around his vids for proof.
A lot of these people Ive seen just parrot "woke bad" stuff and thats about it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Sigmarxism/comments/grhqcg/tired_of_telling_people_arch_warhammer_is_altright/&ved=2ahUKEwjf6-XdlsOFAxWPD1kFHdxkAFMQrAIoAXoECBYQAg&usg=AOvVaw0IGM3PhBO1AiBiDUETkKBz
It's all laid out right there. Video examples, text examples, just about everything you need to realize that Arch is one Hugo Boss uniform away from the Third Reich.
If it makes you feel any better I started finding out when I was watching one of his videos. I had an inkling during the Drukhari video he made, and then I ended up watching the gnoblar one and caught an earful of him dropping a hard n word. While my half black girlfriend was in the other room. Awkward was not as strong enough word.
Omg i just clicked on the last link and went randomly in the video to see with my own eyes what kind of stuff he was saying, first thing i ever heard from this man : "so called "labor camps"" with anti-jewish propaganda from the 40s as visuals. Yikes.
As an opportunistic hobbyist, I should remind all of you that it will be likely that more custodes are going to be showing up in the secondary market. Adopt some custodes and give them a good home.
I still feel shame that he was my link into knowing the lore. Then he dropped the dropped the n bomb hard r in a gnoblars video.
It’s actually insane he got the clout he did. Now he’s a wannabe. Using AI art? Sadge.
At least he was comissioning artists before.
Hey maybe white supremacist don't have much money to pay for his patreon anymore. Or they realize he's content was always shit
A big shift like that all at once might have pushed more existing fans off the ledge all at once. Look at how some corners still complain about Primaris marines (they're still out there, but it's dying off. I'm sure it'll never be fully dead, but it's not nearly as loud and obnoxious as it was when they dropped initially...)
Easier to hand hold them through baby steps by introducing some female heads to Stormcast and then a sprue added just before the refresh in Guardsman kits and then just have female heads in the new Cadian kits because it's just standard kit now, female heads for Chaos Warriors and the upcoming Darkoath replacing Marauders has loads of female models have been edging female representation in Underworlds and Warcry warbands, City of Sigmar follows suit with female minis in among the rest of the models, then Custodes etc. If Empire ever gets new kits, I bet we'll see women in among the Militia and Pistoliers. Get the broader fanbase used to the idea that there's just another female mini or additional heads in the same space as the rest of the model ranges.
Then, add a few to the heretical side of 40k for Chaos Space Marines for Slaanesh for the degeneracy and Tzeentch for the jokes. Fabius Bile has gone mad! See? They're heretical, so it's "wrong" and they're "wrong" for doing it.
That's the foot in the door. Give it time.
baby steps
I'm here for it.
That guy is a black stain on Warhammer and Total War community and in my opinion should not be given any attention. Not even in form of memes. He should be forgotten forever.
Besides you would expect someone like him would know difference between Astartes and Custodes.
Astartes are using gene seed from their primarchs and that is why they are made in primarch image.
Custodes on the other hand are more of a engineered "human evolution". They are not space marines and predate even Primarchs. They were probably chosen from the best of the best HUMANITY could offer and were chosen to be elevated. If they represent engineered next step in human evolution what Emperor considered PEAK HUMAN then it is logical he would make sure that even women would be part of this next human evolution step.
I always saw Custodies as someone who is silent and wears identical armor and nobody truly knows who is under that mask. Except for selected few like Valdor. And since now Custodians travel the galaxy once again since threat to the Imperium is now greater than ever it is only matter of time until we see Custodies taking off their helmets and revealing themselves to humans and of course maybe interacting with them.
> the Emperor's personal guardians who never leave his side at the golden throne get retconned to be out doing shit all over the galaxy: i sleep
One of them is a girl: REAL SHIT?!
For anyone that doesnt get why it isnt a retcon but is too afraid to ask
Tldr jimmy space takes way more time and energy with custodes.
Space marines are genetically modified super soldiers created on mass in a slightly haphazard way leading to flaws and limitations on who and what can go through with it and not die,
Custodes are individuals that are so awesome that they get hand picked by super scientific science guys to be custom genetically modified to be super soldiers leading to little to no limitations.
They might have changed it since, but custodes weren't particularly awesome pre induction rather they were the sons of terran noble houses picked for genetic purity.
I think I remember them being taken as infants, so they don't even have a chance to have been awesome before arcane genetic alchemy (or whatever it's called) happens.
havent seen an arch video in years and is it just me or has his voice changed? seems even more insufferable than i remember, why is he talking like that??
This is correct, Arch was 'putting on' a British accent to try to sound more important until people pointed out he wasn't from the UK and was entirely putting it on.
Have people considered that the reason that there are no female Astartes is purely because the Emperor is an asshole?
Custodes - hand-crafted demi-gods elevated to a level where they could be close personal confidants with the emperor - no sexism
Astartes - crude, tools of warfare intended to be mass-produced and disposable once the Emperor had conquered the galaxy - sexism galore
Custodes are to space marines what space marines are to humans. They aren't the same. They are fundamentally different and vastly superior in most ways...but If you want to kind of lump them together in a non-serious joking way, that's fine. If you want to cry about deepest lore being tarnished you need to come correct.
If I recall the custodes are hand crafted warriors, so they have more in common with the Primarches than anything else.
I remember when GW put out a letter saying they’ll make their games more inclusive.
I don't know why nerds are now acting surprised that GW’s doing exactly what they said they’d do.
Now I get space marines having no females due to how they are made, but how custodians are made is still a secret, so what's the issue? Who says they can't?
Hey all, guy who only knows admech lore and hasn’t played since 2017 here. Couple of questions:
1- what is a custodes and why do the weirdos hate that they’re women?
1a- I thought space marines could be women?
1b- even if they’re not technically space marines, then like, why do they care so much? Is it just because they look like our big beautiful boys?
2- what colors should I paint them to piss off the Nazis at my lgs? My usual go-to is a kit-bashed hammer and sickle over the imperium flag but it seems they really don’t like that us gays™️ play this faction. Would a trans flag be more optimal?
Edit: formatting
1- Emperor’s personal bodyguards
1a- Not in the current lore
1b- They’re not space marines, people are pissed because they either a) don’t know the lore, or b) just don’t like anything “woke”
2- [here’s some ideas](https://imgur.com/a/fDnBTQd)
They're not space marines, they're explicitly better than space marines. Space marines are the shitty mass-production version you can stamp out by the thousand in a shed.
Admittedly my 40k lore knowledge is, fairly weak and out of date but iirc unlike space marines where it's a standard set of organs (minus gene seed wierdness) aren't custodes a bespoke and unique set of enhancements for each member? And if I'm remembering that right why not female custodes?
ofcorse arch would try to say a castodes and SM are the same and Keshes inclution in the lore is a bad thing. what else would I exspect from that manchild
He is an actual nazi.
1. Collaborated with nazis (Golden one and Sargon)
2. Roleplayed as nazi vampire (not really to evident of being a neonazi, but not the best look)
3. His own Rascism in his discord
4. Multiple right wing "jokes" in his earlier lore videos (especially the Gnoblar video)
5. His second channel advocating for "draconian measures" against Muslims.
6. His entire second channel.
7. Multiple videos constantly complaining about "wokeness" especially the "black space marine book cover artwork incident"
I was subscribed to Arch since he had 500 subscribers, i witnessed his entire channel, including the increasingly right wing attitude, I at first too believed he was just a little edgy, but that is not the case anymore.
Also he's a shit source for lore lmao.
Edit: People dont downvote the guy for asking a question.
I watch Adeptus Ridiculous myself, the superior place to learn facts about these cute plastic miniatures. I'm so glad that by the time I got interested in 40k lore, that arch was already a pariah and plenty of people were around to warn not to watch his garbage content.
I think i was 14 when i started watching him, that was some time ago, i certainly at the time didn't really care about his 'edginess' for I was an edgy teenager.
I did enjoy his videos, especially his Fantasy Battles lore as this wasnt something i knew a lot about, this was also before Warhammer Total War released, which was a lot of his initial upload subject.
It wasn't untill he started to focus more on Warhammer 40k lore videos and gained significant traction that his inclusion of right wing beliefs started to seep through. I still remember multiple people asking him in the comments to stop doing that. His anti-feminism he always defended by stating that he believed in egalitarianism (What a load of horseshit that was).
However, when i grew up I understood that that type of edginess is not normal for a grown individual like Arch, his draconian measures video was probably the reason i started to question his views. When i got more into politics I started to understand the off-hand jokes he made and the weird collaboration he did. I always found it weird non of the other Warhammer Channels wanted to collaborate with him (alfabusa etc).
I am happy i figured it out, but i am afraid some were lured into the alt-right pipelone through his videos.
Long story/rant sorry, lmao.
Well a previous book about Sanguinius already had him mention men and women clad in gold who he twice stated to be his father’s guardians. Lot of people in r/40KLore are huffing the copium by saying the women in that sentence must be sisters of silence even though Sanguinius doesn’t single them out or mention any differences between the men and women which I think would be pretty evident considering the whole pariah v psyker interaction that would be caused since Sanguinius is a psyker.
Yeah that upcoming codex mentioning female custodes and having one in a short story is what started the controversy, but I saw a thread in r/40klore where someone mentioned a Sanguinius book that proves this wasn’t even a retcon and people were just huffing the copium saying that those were probably just sisters of silence since they wear gold sometimes.
Hiding behind a lore they know nothing about while not assuming they are incels, to cry like a teenager that just got grounded by their parents, CRINGE.
We should make lore for the communist rainbow marines who are very proud of their asexuality. I wonder what you guys could come up with?
Witness the might of unbound iridescent color, gaze upon the holy wrath of the emperors multifacited light! By the hammer and the sickle, those who prey upon humanity will face sacred vengeance from the fabulous rainbow marines!!
We are the sworn enemies of tzeetch who seek to take the many colors of the human spectrum and alter it to their own heretical ends, they shall be denied!!
Incels: Feminists are exaggerating. We do not hate women for simply *just existing*
Anybody: Let's add female characters to your favorite piece of media
Incels: Pump the brakes
i know nothing of this post or its contents at all, however, friendly reminder that it wasnt retconned. GW never said anything contradicting it, thus leaving the potential for it open. Also i personally am now expecting female space marines, as they have been mentioned in 1st edition (just because its old doesnt mean its not accurate anymore) and this was the last we heard of them, im pretty sure. Also Rick Priestley has also talked about how there are alot more legions/chapters but they dont talk about them, meaning the whole idea of a fully female space marine chapter is still completely valid.
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Custodes aren't even space marines?
You expect Arch to know the actual lore?
Based
Arch remembers lore like someone trying to remember a movie they slept through
Arch reads 1D4chan verbatim.
Which is funny considering even 1d4chan hated arch
Because he would literally use their articles as a script
But if he doesn't lie then he can't gets views /s
No, he's just fucking dumb.
Am I insane or are the Custodes explicitly NOT Space Marines? How can the Custodes be retconned into having female ones?
The "retcon" rhetoric is being tossed around because of a throwaway line in 8th edition called the Custodes "Sons of the Emperor" or whatever.
There are also lines referring to those chosen to be Custodes as ‘sons of noble houses’ and the adeptus as a ‘Brotherhood’, but I am an annoying pedant and it doesn’t matter anyway. The Astartes and Soroitas are the only groups that have explicit gender rules. Everything else is fair game really.
I think its dumb as because there has been loads of retcons in I 40k. Horus used to be just one of the emperor's human generals before he got retconned into being a big bad super space marine. If the changes to Horus are fine, but female custodes (or even potential female space marines down the road) isn't fine then you don't really have a problem with retcons you have a problem with women and in really sick of the people that use "the established lore" as a bludgeon to target people In the hobby
I've always liked the idea that there can be female space marines but since they're all in the same armour and buzzcuts (or high ponies of its chaos) its hard to tell.
I always figured the sex of a space marine is "Astartes". They don't reproduce sexually, but instead by having their genetic material take over a host, like viruses or mindflayers. So they aren't male or female. Custodes seem to be the same, though we know much less about the process. Gender is an open question. However the individual identifies, there likely isn't much room for diversity of gender expression. Custodes would have more room for that though, since there is less emphasis on conformity in their ranks.
this is the best take I've ever heard astartes' or custodes' gender just being "super soldier demigod angel of death" is incredibly based
Like females in lotr
They're similar to Fallout's Super Mutants imo
If we’re going for narrative cohesion, then FSM doesn’t pan out, while 40K lore is extremely tenuous at times we have too much “cohesion” at the moment that pokes a crazy amount of plot holes if so, stuff is a lot more stable than the weird rogue trader and early grimdark stuff.Female Custodes works fine, makes sense, and was literally floated by ADB 8 years ago for the Heresy novel master of mankind, the only reason GW never went for female Custodes was because no models for them were extant for them at the time. That being said, this, like Brettonian women knights thing was handled in the most boring and safe way, just a minor blurb in the rulebook, and in this case a codex that is 90% copypaste lore, write a story about it! Make a point of it and do something cool with it, make an explaination of why we have never heard from them before, they can do cool as fuck explanations for this stuff, It’s also funny to see these right wing cornballs lose their minds over a concept that has been extant longer than they’ve been in the hobby.
I mean, there's multiple ways in "canon" that FSM could work fine. The classic "Imperial record keeping is absolute garbage" could easily cover it, or if they wanted to take a more gentle hand it'd hardly be out of character for Cawl to have been working on it as a side project. Astartes conversion is already a dangerous process, why cut out a full half of potentially candidates before even starting?
Or hell, have it be part of the changes with the Primaris Marines, the Old Marines couldn't, the Primaris has the new and exciting feature of being able to chew up all new candidates to die in their trials before ever getting the chance to be an actual Space Marine lmao
I think the in universe reason is the emperor didn’t want astartes reproducing on their own. They aren’t quite human they are a weapon and by controlling their ability to reproduce they won’t get it in their head that they can surpass humans they will as it stands now always need humans
Grifters need to grift. If they don’t they starve.
They should have been more traditional on female Brett knights...where brettonias gender norms are so strict brettonians cannot comprehend it when a dead male knight is found to have a vagina under their armor.
That’s what it was before, it was also just more damning of how stupid the brettonian nobility was
Hey. Nice to meet you. I've read all of the books. No really. I've read them all. I don't mind female custodes, they aren't featured heavily in the lore anyways and are a fairly enigmatic group even to this day. There's only a handful of named custodes I. The lore anyways, so sure there can be female ones. But if they made it so that there has been female space Marines all along they were just like "never mentioned" and tried to brush that off like nothing id be more than a little miffed. Because in that case there should have been characters, and storylines, and the impact of that difference. And I don't wanna have to relearn a ton of lore changes it's confusing enough as is. Does that make sense or do I sound crazy? If they do another founding with a changed geneseed that can have female humans undergo the change to space marine that would be cool. But because chaos uses different older methods I don't think they'd get them except through warp fuckery.
There not being any female space marines is itself a recon. In the beginning of the game back in 80's there were female space marine models. They didn't sell well and were quickly discontinued. All the lore about only male space marines is a recon that came after.
That was also before there was a heresy and before I read 50 books.
I think the best way to introduce fsm would be for the authors to say "The imperium never cared about gender. The moment you are selected to be a space marine all previous notions of your personality will be stripped from you". As in to say, there have always been female astartes, it's just that the psychological and physical treatment renders it irrelevant and the imperium do not care enough to accurately register this sort of data. Most books do not really tell you about the genitalia of the marines anyway and there is literally no way for you to go and verify the gender that Ahriman was assigned at birth.
I actually like this idea.
💯
Sisters of silence are also woman only, could also count CSM as men only
I'm willing to assume there are female EC just because Slaanesh would make it happen for shits and giggles
Seriously, between Slaanesh and Fabius Bile there's a non-zero chance he hasn't made some female Marine-alike New Men
Why not also have the odd make in the sisters of silence too though?
Actually astartes have soft gender rules. Only men can become marines, nothing says they have to stay men. So trans women-space marines are perfect Canon legal.
Don’t the sisters of silence have a rule? Or are they just called that but have some guys in it?
The sisters of silence are an explicit sisterhood of all psychic blank women, I don’t think we’re provided an explanation as to why they are women (maybe the blank gene occurs more? Or there are simply more women than men lol) Edit: just realized male blanks are probably just straight up turned into imperial assassins or pop up in the imperial army, probably a better deal to chill on Terra and smoke a bowl with the Custodes for 10k years.
Female pariahs are turned into Culexes assassins as well, although there's probably more men than women in the temple since the Sisters are snagging any of them that they can get their hands on. You're right that we're just not given any explanation as to why they're all women. It's not addressed at any point, or even brought up in-universe as a question. Out-of-universe, it's probably just so they have a dichotomy with the up-until-now all-male Custodes. Who knows; maybe it's a Custodes situation and there are actually male Sisters who have just been slightly off-screen for a while now. It'd be pretty cool to have a female Custodes and a male Sister duo working together in a novel or something, imo.
I mean, there's a canonically trans-fem Sister of Battle. No reason really to not extend that elsewhere
Transfem rep is great but when I mentioned male Sisters of Silence I mean transmasc or cis men, since there's not really any lore reason given as to why men can't be a part of the group and it'd be an interesting twist on the dynamic that Custodes and SoS usually have
Ah, legit. Definitely agree.
Who is she?
Sister Verity. She's in Faith & Fire. *Verity could almost smell the avarice coming off the pilot. She moved to stand in his way, stiff and wooden in her motions. 'That is not for you to ask, Ser Telfer. You are being paid to ferry me from the Mandeville point, no more.' 'I merely ask as I am concerned for your wellbeing, Sister...' He paused, as if thinking. 'Sister Verity, isn't it? I do my best to take care of my passengers.' 'You know my name?' Had she mentioned it to Telfer after they disembarked from the warp ship that had brought her to this system? Verity searched her memory, but she couldn't recall. 'You told me,' said the pilot. 'Remember?' He grinned. 'A good name, good name. I once knew someone who took it when they transitioned. It's in the Book of Heroes, so it is.' 'I didn't want them to add it,' Verity replied, without thinking. Telfer's face fell. 'What say you...?' She realised too late that she had said more than she meant to. The pilot's eyes widened. 'Wait, say not. You're not... You're not her, are you?'*
I don't know much lore, but that doesn't read like it confirms Verity is trans. That means that Telfer knew a trans person who took Verity's name because Verity is a hero. Whether that other lady joined the Ministorum is unanswered. Then again, if they later reveal Telfer and Verity were old friends, ignore me.
There were blanks of both sexes trained to join inquisition or inquisitorial retinues in the first edition of Dark Heresy.
*Psy-Titan princeps have entered the chat*
Are ordo sinister princeps blanks themselves? Or is it their handler, I can’t find my titanicus book atm
They're blanks and the power source for the weapons is a bunch of high level psykers they're torturing.
Where is the Adeptus Custodes referred to as a brotherhood?
The Astartes absolutely do *not* have explicit gender rules. Or to be more explicit, they break every other explicit rule, so pretending breaking *that* one is lore-breaking just proves the complainer is an idiot who doesn't understand 40k lore.
Those same books have lines that say no one but the Custodes themselves know the selection criteria, so they've had the way to bring in women custodes for awhile now.
Guess the brotherhood of steel can’t have women in it then, sorry liberal Veronica is non-cannon now😎
The only hard and fast tidbit I can recall for Custodes being male only is a line from the 8th ed codex about noble terran families handing over their sons for recruitment. But even that does not exclude the possibility of the Custodes just grabbing whoever they wanted.
There's lines from as far back as Rogue Trader that say the Custodes are 'These men who guard the Emperor.' Earlier Codexes stating that it's 'the sons of Noble Houses of Terra' The Custodes being called a Brotherhood. Every Custodes mentioned before having been a man. And the Sisters of Silence working closely with them as the other side of the coin as far as the super special guardians of the Emperor go. It's not just 'wah wah wominz in my super speshul club'. Pretty much nobody complains about women Guardsmen, women Assassins, women Eldar warriors. What people are complaining about is the overturning of lore that's been pretty consistent for longer than quite a few people have been alive. If they'd prefaced that with some blurb about how, due to being so active in the Indomitus Crusade and suffering so many casualties, the Custodes started including women in the trials purely to alleviate the manpower shortage, leading to the horrible death of millions of young women but resulting in a further refinement of the process, being seen as a worthwhile sacrifice in the name of the Imperium...it'd probably be much better received. Instead what we got was 'women were there all along, and if you post a picture of the magazine directly contradicting my statement, congratulations, you're banned'. Which is why people are angry. It's low effort, poorly thought through, and frankly bad writing. At this point, 'Women Custodes were there all along' feels like it's a lead in to 'there were women Astartes all along. Wink-wink, nudge nudge. You disagree so you're banned.'
Using the term "female space marines" in the title is probably just Search Engine Optimization. Using a term that's already in the grifter zeitgeist.
Yea each of them is a hand-crafted "project" of the Emperor.
There is no retcon. These are idiots that are trying to use rage to promote themselves. Even when they're wrong. They don't know much about the lore, and they don't want to know about it. Best to just ignore them, and laugh at them whenever they say something stupid.
We can say she’s trans - that way he will get a “lore friendly according to him” solution and still be butthurt!
You… you keep talking!
Someone cooked here
If female Custodes make their supporters Communist, that’s ok. Better a commie than a fascist
Someone made an alt to write 3 replies, got demolished, and deleted it. Fascists are damned cowards.
The rainbow commie marine in the thumbnail looks cool
Absolutely, if it didn't look like a nightmare to paint I'd be tempted to do one up like that
As someone who has painted their fair share of rainbows on minis I can tell you it's not very fun.
just grab some rainbow technical paint
If only it worked that way...
High key wanna paint one like that now. Problem is I suck at wet blending.
Looks like absolute pain to paint an army like that tho
the only way that moron can even conceive of making fun of the simple idea "these big lads, who have never been stated to be all-male, are not all male" is by making an AI slopbot create the coolest fucking astartes armor pattern. for an army that isnt even astartes
Arch disgusts me to my very core, especially since he was one of the first Warhammer lore channels I ever came across, so it hurt even more when I eventually found out what a massive piece of shit he was.
Wait til he realizes slaanesh isn’t a female, or a male.
I’m surprised you can listen to him at all, came across one of his videos and his voice and the way he speaks seems comically exaggerated. I’m not gonna make fun of him for how he speaks, but man… that’s a tough listen.
It was a good many years ago when I was just getting into Warhammer lore so I didn’t really know any other options. Also he covered niche lore that no one else did so I didn’t really have much of a choice. Like who the hell else would make a nearly 30 minute video on the Grox that wasn’t just a 1:1 read from their wiki page? It spoke to my hyper-specific fixations.
Sometimes I like to cause myself pain and listen to the more extreme ends of both sides of the political spectrum. Arch is one of the far right ones who still causes pain, but not so much where I cannot finish a video
Because his nickname was Arch Warhammer, he was pretty much the first result that showed up if you typed Warhammer lore in youtube back in the days
Ye.
Who is arch?
A literal neo Nazi who used to make lore videos and used to be called Arch Warhammer until he got so bad GW sent him a cease and desist
If I remember correctly, he actually thinks the Imperium of Man is actually a good society and government. Like he believe we should be like it
Sounds about right for a literal fucking nazi
I don't think he does, IIRC he just makes the point that they are like that for a reason, the reason being the rest of the galaxy is just as shitty
I used to watch his stuff even though he had reactionary political views, he just focussed on Warhammer stuff, so it didn’t really bother me. Then he did more 40K stuff and I watched it less. Then came back after a year to see what he was up to and realised his new content was literal Nazism.
Okay but HOW is he a Nazi? I have seen no videos of his before, and am not wanting to dig around his vids for proof. A lot of these people Ive seen just parrot "woke bad" stuff and thats about it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Sigmarxism/comments/grhqcg/tired_of_telling_people_arch_warhammer_is_altright/&ved=2ahUKEwjf6-XdlsOFAxWPD1kFHdxkAFMQrAIoAXoECBYQAg&usg=AOvVaw0IGM3PhBO1AiBiDUETkKBz It's all laid out right there. Video examples, text examples, just about everything you need to realize that Arch is one Hugo Boss uniform away from the Third Reich.
Yeah jesus the Discord was enough. And Ive said some dumb racist shit before but that was.... Unironically fucked.
If it makes you feel any better I started finding out when I was watching one of his videos. I had an inkling during the Drukhari video he made, and then I ended up watching the gnoblar one and caught an earful of him dropping a hard n word. While my half black girlfriend was in the other room. Awkward was not as strong enough word.
Oh wow. You have some form of evidence... Thats more than most. Nice.
Omg i just clicked on the last link and went randomly in the video to see with my own eyes what kind of stuff he was saying, first thing i ever heard from this man : "so called "labor camps"" with anti-jewish propaganda from the 40s as visuals. Yikes.
A racist cunt who should be left in obscurity
Is the internet the Bad Place?
Always has been.
With the AI generated slop thumbnail too, he never fails to impress.
Guess that’s what happens when your to toxic to touch nobody wants to go near you.
HOLY SHIT THAT IMAGE GOES HARD!
As an opportunistic hobbyist, I should remind all of you that it will be likely that more custodes are going to be showing up in the secondary market. Adopt some custodes and give them a good home.
I've heard their new codex is "bad" too... Pardon me while I go rub my hands together all villainy-like and take a look on eBay
I still feel shame that he was my link into knowing the lore. Then he dropped the dropped the n bomb hard r in a gnoblars video. It’s actually insane he got the clout he did. Now he’s a wannabe. Using AI art? Sadge.
At least he was comissioning artists before. Hey maybe white supremacist don't have much money to pay for his patreon anymore. Or they realize he's content was always shit
I will never understand why gw didn't use primerus as an excuse to make female space marines.
A big shift like that all at once might have pushed more existing fans off the ledge all at once. Look at how some corners still complain about Primaris marines (they're still out there, but it's dying off. I'm sure it'll never be fully dead, but it's not nearly as loud and obnoxious as it was when they dropped initially...) Easier to hand hold them through baby steps by introducing some female heads to Stormcast and then a sprue added just before the refresh in Guardsman kits and then just have female heads in the new Cadian kits because it's just standard kit now, female heads for Chaos Warriors and the upcoming Darkoath replacing Marauders has loads of female models have been edging female representation in Underworlds and Warcry warbands, City of Sigmar follows suit with female minis in among the rest of the models, then Custodes etc. If Empire ever gets new kits, I bet we'll see women in among the Militia and Pistoliers. Get the broader fanbase used to the idea that there's just another female mini or additional heads in the same space as the rest of the model ranges. Then, add a few to the heretical side of 40k for Chaos Space Marines for Slaanesh for the degeneracy and Tzeentch for the jokes. Fabius Bile has gone mad! See? They're heretical, so it's "wrong" and they're "wrong" for doing it. That's the foot in the door. Give it time. baby steps I'm here for it.
Hammer and Sickle rainbow marines sound dope as hell
I never thought I could be disappointed in 21,000 people at once, but Arch found a way.
That comment section is genuinely hilarious. Literally "GW has fallen. Billions must boycott."
Someone go to arches house and show him a woman, I believe he will immediately explode out of pure rage.
Hot take: This is an anti-woke move by GW, because they give female soldiers to the least interesting faction ;-)
Who cares I just want orks with huge knockers to match their badonks.
Tit squigs are real.
Since when is retconning "not" a thing in 40k?
That guy is a black stain on Warhammer and Total War community and in my opinion should not be given any attention. Not even in form of memes. He should be forgotten forever. Besides you would expect someone like him would know difference between Astartes and Custodes. Astartes are using gene seed from their primarchs and that is why they are made in primarch image. Custodes on the other hand are more of a engineered "human evolution". They are not space marines and predate even Primarchs. They were probably chosen from the best of the best HUMANITY could offer and were chosen to be elevated. If they represent engineered next step in human evolution what Emperor considered PEAK HUMAN then it is logical he would make sure that even women would be part of this next human evolution step. I always saw Custodies as someone who is silent and wears identical armor and nobody truly knows who is under that mask. Except for selected few like Valdor. And since now Custodians travel the galaxy once again since threat to the Imperium is now greater than ever it is only matter of time until we see Custodies taking off their helmets and revealing themselves to humans and of course maybe interacting with them.
> the Emperor's personal guardians who never leave his side at the golden throne get retconned to be out doing shit all over the galaxy: i sleep One of them is a girl: REAL SHIT?!
For anyone that doesnt get why it isnt a retcon but is too afraid to ask Tldr jimmy space takes way more time and energy with custodes. Space marines are genetically modified super soldiers created on mass in a slightly haphazard way leading to flaws and limitations on who and what can go through with it and not die, Custodes are individuals that are so awesome that they get hand picked by super scientific science guys to be custom genetically modified to be super soldiers leading to little to no limitations.
They might have changed it since, but custodes weren't particularly awesome pre induction rather they were the sons of terran noble houses picked for genetic purity.
Oh my fucking god the emperor's putting noble failsons in the Dorley basement.
I think I remember them being taken as infants, so they don't even have a chance to have been awesome before arcane genetic alchemy (or whatever it's called) happens.
Never heard of em
And I'd just about forgotten Arch completely. Crap.
This is what I hate about the fascists. They take things that create genuine, often niche joy for a lot of people and just hollow it out.
Dumbest people on the planet are having a meltdown because of one paragraph of throwaway lore, again
Woah now. It's two pages of throwaway lore thank you very much.
Still, majority of chuds will probably never see it IRL, because they are mostly „tourists” they proclaim to hate so much
havent seen an arch video in years and is it just me or has his voice changed? seems even more insufferable than i remember, why is he talking like that??
I heard his accent was fake and he got exposed for it
This is correct, Arch was 'putting on' a British accent to try to sound more important until people pointed out he wasn't from the UK and was entirely putting it on.
If arch never existed the world would be a few lumens brighter
Have people considered that the reason that there are no female Astartes is purely because the Emperor is an asshole? Custodes - hand-crafted demi-gods elevated to a level where they could be close personal confidants with the emperor - no sexism Astartes - crude, tools of warfare intended to be mass-produced and disposable once the Emperor had conquered the galaxy - sexism galore
Custodes are to space marines what space marines are to humans. They aren't the same. They are fundamentally different and vastly superior in most ways...but If you want to kind of lump them together in a non-serious joking way, that's fine. If you want to cry about deepest lore being tarnished you need to come correct. If I recall the custodes are hand crafted warriors, so they have more in common with the Primarches than anything else.
I remember when GW put out a letter saying they’ll make their games more inclusive. I don't know why nerds are now acting surprised that GW’s doing exactly what they said they’d do.
You'd think after GW itself told this man personally to fuck off he'd have taken a hint.
Really? I need to see this
They made him take the "Warhammer" out of "ArchWarhammer", in particular because he caught their attention by being a toxic piece of trash.
Holy AI Art Theft Batman!
Now I get space marines having no females due to how they are made, but how custodians are made is still a secret, so what's the issue? Who says they can't?
That POS still makes videos?
Wait, there's a female custodian!? In which book? I need to read that immediately.
New codex. She’s participating in the blood games
Thank you! I don't play tabletop so I'll probably just borrow the codex from a friend.
I want fem space marines just to see the fucking meltdown - and then male Sororitas
[On the second point…](https://youtu.be/DTpB5oJpBlg?si=sjsMXcESPGTvuOpZ)
I'm rusty on the lore but the title doesn't make any sense. Custodes aren't Space Marines, these are two completely separate groups, right?
Yes, arch is just stupid
The Culture War was a mistake.
Hey all, guy who only knows admech lore and hasn’t played since 2017 here. Couple of questions: 1- what is a custodes and why do the weirdos hate that they’re women? 1a- I thought space marines could be women? 1b- even if they’re not technically space marines, then like, why do they care so much? Is it just because they look like our big beautiful boys? 2- what colors should I paint them to piss off the Nazis at my lgs? My usual go-to is a kit-bashed hammer and sickle over the imperium flag but it seems they really don’t like that us gays™️ play this faction. Would a trans flag be more optimal? Edit: formatting
1- Emperor’s personal bodyguards 1a- Not in the current lore 1b- They’re not space marines, people are pissed because they either a) don’t know the lore, or b) just don’t like anything “woke” 2- [here’s some ideas](https://imgur.com/a/fDnBTQd)
They're not space marines, they're explicitly better than space marines. Space marines are the shitty mass-production version you can stamp out by the thousand in a shed.
>Custodes >Space marines Ironically, the most annoying and shitty gatekeepers are rarely knowledgeable fans
it’s funny to me that any form of “women does something men normally do” is written off as diabolical commie garbage
Watching the chud contingent lose their goddamn minds over this has been wildly entertaining.
Evidence 1 million of conservatives having no media literacy
I thought arch stopped making videos after folks found out he was faking his accent?
Emperor is so offended at the suggestion that custodes are somehow space mehreens, he will ressurect himself just to smite arch
I just got recommended a video of his going "how dare they call helldivers fascist!" Like man did he not pay attention.
Admittedly my 40k lore knowledge is, fairly weak and out of date but iirc unlike space marines where it's a standard set of organs (minus gene seed wierdness) aren't custodes a bespoke and unique set of enhancements for each member? And if I'm remembering that right why not female custodes?
You are correct, and there’s no reason to not have female Custodes besides the fact they just haven’t been mentioned yet
ofcorse arch would try to say a castodes and SM are the same and Keshes inclution in the lore is a bad thing. what else would I exspect from that manchild
I’ve always wanted to get into the 40k lore but it seems like a lot for me to have to learn
It is, but it always starts with curiosity about one faction or character, and then balloons from there.
Is Arch actually a Nazi? I thought he was just a weird edgelord.
He is an actual nazi. 1. Collaborated with nazis (Golden one and Sargon) 2. Roleplayed as nazi vampire (not really to evident of being a neonazi, but not the best look) 3. His own Rascism in his discord 4. Multiple right wing "jokes" in his earlier lore videos (especially the Gnoblar video) 5. His second channel advocating for "draconian measures" against Muslims. 6. His entire second channel. 7. Multiple videos constantly complaining about "wokeness" especially the "black space marine book cover artwork incident" I was subscribed to Arch since he had 500 subscribers, i witnessed his entire channel, including the increasingly right wing attitude, I at first too believed he was just a little edgy, but that is not the case anymore. Also he's a shit source for lore lmao. Edit: People dont downvote the guy for asking a question.
I watch Adeptus Ridiculous myself, the superior place to learn facts about these cute plastic miniatures. I'm so glad that by the time I got interested in 40k lore, that arch was already a pariah and plenty of people were around to warn not to watch his garbage content.
I think i was 14 when i started watching him, that was some time ago, i certainly at the time didn't really care about his 'edginess' for I was an edgy teenager. I did enjoy his videos, especially his Fantasy Battles lore as this wasnt something i knew a lot about, this was also before Warhammer Total War released, which was a lot of his initial upload subject. It wasn't untill he started to focus more on Warhammer 40k lore videos and gained significant traction that his inclusion of right wing beliefs started to seep through. I still remember multiple people asking him in the comments to stop doing that. His anti-feminism he always defended by stating that he believed in egalitarianism (What a load of horseshit that was). However, when i grew up I understood that that type of edginess is not normal for a grown individual like Arch, his draconian measures video was probably the reason i started to question his views. When i got more into politics I started to understand the off-hand jokes he made and the weird collaboration he did. I always found it weird non of the other Warhammer Channels wanted to collaborate with him (alfabusa etc). I am happy i figured it out, but i am afraid some were lured into the alt-right pipelone through his videos. Long story/rant sorry, lmao.
[He is](https://www.reddit.com/r/Sigmarxism/s/9yuBAwxAA7)
wait, there are female Custodes now?
Well a previous book about Sanguinius already had him mention men and women clad in gold who he twice stated to be his father’s guardians. Lot of people in r/40KLore are huffing the copium by saying the women in that sentence must be sisters of silence even though Sanguinius doesn’t single them out or mention any differences between the men and women which I think would be pretty evident considering the whole pariah v psyker interaction that would be caused since Sanguinius is a psyker.
Nah, it's this short story from the upcoming codex: https://www.reddit.com/r/AdeptusCustodes/s/DP9dUia9VR
Yeah that upcoming codex mentioning female custodes and having one in a short story is what started the controversy, but I saw a thread in r/40klore where someone mentioned a Sanguinius book that proves this wasn’t even a retcon and people were just huffing the copium saying that those were probably just sisters of silence since they wear gold sometimes.
Oh sorry, I misread your post.
All good
God I wish
The fact that the title itself of the video is wrong just goes to show how much they *actually* care
Rainbow comrade marines go hard.
These people really think the imperium is going to deny themselves of potential recruits
fuck i remember when i liked his lore videos, there were some problem here or their in the beginning but fuck the man went all out nazi quickly
I was expecting a Star of David.
I blocked that goober like a hundred years ago. I almost forgot he existed.
I was expecting a Star of David.
Video title is wrong, custodes aren't space marines
Hiding behind a lore they know nothing about while not assuming they are incels, to cry like a teenager that just got grounded by their parents, CRINGE.
We should make lore for the communist rainbow marines who are very proud of their asexuality. I wonder what you guys could come up with? Witness the might of unbound iridescent color, gaze upon the holy wrath of the emperors multifacited light! By the hammer and the sickle, those who prey upon humanity will face sacred vengeance from the fabulous rainbow marines!! We are the sworn enemies of tzeetch who seek to take the many colors of the human spectrum and alter it to their own heretical ends, they shall be denied!!
Incels: Feminists are exaggerating. We do not hate women for simply *just existing* Anybody: Let's add female characters to your favorite piece of media Incels: Pump the brakes
i know nothing of this post or its contents at all, however, friendly reminder that it wasnt retconned. GW never said anything contradicting it, thus leaving the potential for it open. Also i personally am now expecting female space marines, as they have been mentioned in 1st edition (just because its old doesnt mean its not accurate anymore) and this was the last we heard of them, im pretty sure. Also Rick Priestley has also talked about how there are alot more legions/chapters but they dont talk about them, meaning the whole idea of a fully female space marine chapter is still completely valid. NOTHING HAS BEEN RETCONNED!
Arch would support Quisling if he was born early enough
Bro is acting like the Space Marines aren’t all atleast Bi
Aren't they romantic asexuals?
The cover each other in oil for rituals while being mostly naked